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COMMISSIONERS' COURT
Special Session
August 3> 1998
11:00 a.m.
Commissioners' Courtroom
Kerr County Courthouse
Kerrville, Texas
PRESENT: ROBERT A. DENSON, County Judge
H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWiN, Commissioner Pct. 1
T. H. "BUTCH" LACKEY, Commissioner Pct 2
JONATHAN LE1~, Commissioner Pct. 3
GLENN HOLEKAMP, Maintenance Supervisor
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BILLIE G. MEEKER
Clerk County Court, Ken County, Texas
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On Monday, August 3, 1998, at approximately 11 o'clock
a.m., a special session of Commissioners' Court was held in
the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse,
Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in
open court:
P R O C E E D I N G S
JUDGE DENSON: okay. It's 11 o'clock on the 3zd of
August, '98. We have a special Commissioners' Court agenda
this morning. In a way it's a carryover item from last week.
It's Consider and discuss restructuring of personnel in
Maintenance Department. I think all of us were here last
week when we talked with Mr. Tisdale about the likelihood
that we might be making some changes to eliminate and
otherwise alleviate the problems that he may have had in the
past with administration work in his office, specifically
scheduling employees and such as that. I asked Glenn
Holekamp to come this morning to visit with us on this and
just get some ideas from him, and the Court would discuss
this matter. Mr. Tisdale's wife called in this morning and
said that he. was ill and couldn't be here. He was invited
back and was supposed to be in attendance. So we won't have
his input. So, at this time, unless one of the Commissioners
has questions, I'll ask Glenn Holekamp for his comments.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Well, my comments -- I don't know if
that's a -- I don't know if I really have any, you know,
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definite comments about it. But I really --
JUDGE DENSON: Let me say this, Glenn. Now, you
and I have not talked specifically --
MR. HOLEKAMP: No, sir
JUDGE DENSON: -- about some of your ideas.
MR. HOLEKAMP: No, sir.
JUDGE DENSON: I know that you have some. And you
may have visited -- I don't know whether you visited with
Commissioner Baldwin. I know there's been some dialogue over
a period of time. But, for lack of a better place to start
than right here and now --
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay. Well, I think I have a -- in
my mind, I see as an immediate plan, an immediate --
something to do immediately to alleviate some of the problems
that -- that do exist. I've got some ideas. If you -- if
you wish, I can go through some of those that I feel like I
may need, and I'm talking about in the next few days. First
of all is to visit with the department heads about certain
problems or that they wish to -- that they feel like that
there's a problem with maintenance. Then I need -- I would
like to review the schedules that they currently have. I
would like to review the personnel, and also within that
realm is to -- to look at their qualifications and job
skills. So, that way, these job skills, if they are -- have
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there's a possibility they may be shuffled around into other
areas within their job description. I would really like to
-- and I know the Court wants some immediate results, but I
would think that I would like to have approximately 30 days,
around the 1st of September, to evaluate all employees and
their positions. I would like 30 days to do that. I don't
think I can walk in here today and make a judgment based on
observations. I would like to see performance. I know we'r
getting real late into the budget process, as far as the
budget this year -- this coming year. I would -- I would
really like to be able to review the budget requests, and --
and pleasure the Court to maybe make some revisions or some
changes to it as to the areas that most need it, in my
opinion. And -- and I really think -- one of the things that
I feel very strongly about is that -- that we are going to
have to have the employees understand their responsibilities
that is required to receive compensation from Kerr County. I
think that is something that is absolutely necessary. That's
my immediate plans, and maybe I'm --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What do you mean, Glenn,
when you say that it's necessary for the employees to
understand their responsibilities in order to receive
compensation? What do you mean exactly by that?
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay. What I'm saying is -- is that
you, as an employee for Kerr County, if the hours are --
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normal hours are 8:00 to 5:00, for example. You get an hour
for lunch, and you get a 15-minute break in the morning and
15-minute break in the afternoon. That is an accepted
practice in the Clerk's office, I believe; is that correct?
MS. MARQUARDT: Yes, sir.
MR. HOLEKAMP: And in my facility, that is the way
we work. I believe that every employee needs to understand
that if their job is to -- let's use mow the yard, let's use
that as an example. I would expect approximately six and a
half, seven hours a day of mowing the yard. Not two hours,
and talking about it for five hours. What I'm saying is --
is that if an employee makes $7 an hour, S8 an hour -- and I
really have not reviewed the pay structure -- I don't think
that the taxpayers are interested in paying for them to only
work part of the time. So they need to understand -- and I'
not accusing, by any means, with this. What I'm saying is
that we need to get everyone to realize that when they come ~
to work in the morning, they're expected to work, not just to
be here. And I'm not accusing, by any means. That's part of
the evaluation process that I feel like that I need to do. I
need to evaluate time -- time management. Time management of
employees is absolutely essential. And they need to
understand what's expected of them. I think that's one of
the things that is probably -- one of the areas in any type
of work is the time management of people which makes the
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difference in budgets and work completed. And none of these
things are being accusing. This is something that, as a
person coming from outside of this type of work, that I feel
like there's a need to start with, and also to probably work
on some of these schedules.
And, in the long-term -- that was immediate. In the
long-term, I would -- or are ya'all ready for something
further than just a month?
JUDGE DENSON: Sure.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay.
JUDGE DENSON: And let me -- and I think I
mentioned this to you Friday after our discussion. I think
it's the opinion of the Court, particularly Commissioners 1
and 3, who will continue to serve after the remainder of this
year --
MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm.
JUDGE DENSON: -- that when the new Court is in
place after January the 1st, that there is some current
thinking about evaluating not only the position that you
would assume, but also on a broader, grander, greater scale,
a number of different functions at the courthouse or in the
county government, that might have an effect upon the
position that you'll be assuming.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm.
JUDGE DENSON: And I think, if I'm not -- if I
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recall the records that were used, it was like an
interim-type position that -- that might be created, subject
to change.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm.
JUDGE DENSON: And I assume that that might mean
subject to you actually going back to the duties that you're
involved in now.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm.
JUDGE DENSON: Rather than continue in this
capacity. I think that's what Commissioner Letz and
Commissioner Baldwin stated, something along those lines. I
don't know whether they can be more specific. I don't think
they can. I'm just talking from my perspective. Until the
new Court's in place and they do a study --
MR. HOLEKAMP: Oh, yeah. Well, one thing I --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's accurate. I think that
the -- I mean, the Ag Barn, the way that's set up through the
Maintenance I don't think works well at all. I think that's
something we really need look at and figure out if we need to
keep it that way or change it. It's just a -- it isn't
working. Plus there's other problems out there with the
scheduling and some of the other issues related to that Ag
facility. And then I think there's also, just in the
Maintenance Department, a number of different ways that
things need to be looked at, and then -- things like
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centralized purchasing, centralized mailrooms, things like
that. If we get together, the size may make it more
cost-effective for the County to -- rather than, you know,
have postage machines scattered around and employees that
spend half the time here and half the time there, just to
really centralize some of those functions. And just the
point, you know, that I think all departments will be kind of
looked at and possibly changed. So it would be, I think,
interim until probably the end of the year, would be my idea.
And then after that, with the new Court, you know --
MR. HOLEKAMP: Yeah. And I agree with that
philosophy on the Court's part, personally. And part of my
-- the -- you know, and I really feel like the Facilities
Manager-type position is much more than supervising
maintenance and janitors, personally. I think you're --
you're very right in what direction you wish to -- to
possibly pursue. And part of this is -- and one of the
things that I really believe that -- and I listed these on
another deal, and I'll hand them to you in a minute; I failed
to give them to you earlier -- is -- above the immediate
thing, is to try to go out for service contracts with
plumbing, electrical, air conditioning, and that sort of
thing, where you have people to call. You know, I think
Maintenance spends a lot of time trying to figure out
problems when, if you'd gotten an expert in, it would have
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cost you less in the amount of time they spend doing those
things. So that's one of the things that I really think th
the Court should consider doing is looking at the service
contracts -- going out for bids for service contracts. The
other thing is -- and, of course, this is a management tool
on my part -- is I would like to implement time clocks for
employees. That way I can track exactly the hours spent on
the lob.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you doing that now at
your animal facility?
MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, absolutely, for a year now.
October 1 we started, and we've been very successful. It has
-- it makes -- if the supervisor is not there every waking
moment, he's assured, or she is assured, that these people
are showing up at 8 o'clock in the morning and they're not
leaving until 5 o'clock in the afternoon. I'm not saying I
don't trust people; that's not what this is about. It's a --
it is a bookkeeping tool for me to keep track of -- of
employees and timesheets.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure, and accountability
factor to the taxpayers.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Absolutely. And I like that.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do, too.
MR. HOLEKAMP: But, there again, that's a budgetar
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tasks. The other thing is to provide and administer all
County departments with a central supply area and distribute
to departments that are requested. I think they currently d
that, don't they, to a certain extent? You know, they've go
the paper goods and whatever, and you call Maintenance and
they bring it to you or something. Is that correct?
COMMISSIONER HALDWIN: I don't know. You set that
up as a Commissioner, Mr. Holekamp. You tell us.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Yeah, well -- yeah, but, I mean,
they're currently doing that; is that correct?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think so.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I wasn't -- because we usually come
and get our stuff that we need. So -- and that's pretty much
just a light summary of things. And you know, there's --
there's a multitute of things -- the central purchasing deal
that Commissioner Letz mentioned is absolutely -- in my
opinion, would be a positive thing. Mailroom, postage at one
place. You could even maybe extend it out to numerous other
areas of scheduling, county-wide. And the Ag Barn is -- is a
-- you know, you brought up a good point from a -- from the
management of Maintenance. It becomes a little difficult
because of the -- you know, how do you see every one of them
at 8 o'clock in the morning? It's -- it's going to be pretty
hard; I'm going to have to schedule doing those things. I'm
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scheduling of these people properly, I think some of these
things can be addressed. I really believe so.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think -- yeah, I think
you're hitting the nail on the head. I think scheduling
people -- finding their job skills and scheduling them for
jobs is the answer to 99 percent of the problems in
Maintenance.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I believe that, but I have not been
in there to know. I would -- I would appreciate a little tim
and patience to get familiarized with the personnel and the
procedures that are in place to make some corrective actions,
if necessary. I would like patience on ya'all's part.
JUDGE DENSON: Comment on -- I think it's
reasonable for you to come back to Court on the 1st of
September for a report, as you've suggested. But, comment o
what this might do to your time availability in your current
function.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I -- and I pride myself with my
employees, I'll put that up front. My employees are very
responsible. Every one of them -- I believe every one of
them read the paper and saw the little piece in there, and so.
this morning I was asked, you know, several questions. And
they have -- I feel very sure that if I'm not there every
hour, our work will get done. My people are very responsible
about their work, and I believe that with this type of a
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deal, I will have an adequate amount of time to devote to
that facility to do the work that I need to do in that
particular facility to make it work, and also supervise the
people that are under my charge there.
JUDGE DENSON: I guess another way of putting it
would be, by you accepting these additional duties in
Maintenance, would it create a void out there at the Animal
Shelter or in Solid Waste that that would require the
employment of additional personnel?
MR. HOLEKAMP: Absolutely not. I don't -- no, sir.
No, sir, I can -- like I said, I'm going to have to do
scheduling of my own time, restructure the way I do things
and the times that I do them. Hut it will not impact the
operations of that facility. There's some things that, if I
-- if I am appointed or employed, whatever you want to call
it -- I think appointed in this particular position -- I
would ask the Court to -- to allow me access to the job
descriptions of current employees, the employees' application
forms on ones that are currently there so I can kind of
review their talents, their skills, and also be able to have
access to their current timesheets so I can see how many
hours they're behind as far as overtime or vacation time, all
of those things, sick leave, to kind of evaluate what I have
ahead of me. I would appreciate -- I know a lot of that
stuff is -- is probably somewhat of a confidential nature as
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far as employees are concerned, but if I become the interim
department head, would I have the right to review that
information and make decisions based on that?
JUDGE DENSON: Well, sure.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes.
JUDGE DENSON: I would only think that's
reasonable.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's reasonable. The only
comment that I would put to that is, with the Ag facility, I
really think Mike needs to stay out there, 'cause he is
probably the one who's qualified to go almost anywhere, and
he's very good. But I don't want to disrupt that out there.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I do understand. No, that is not an
issue. That is not an issue with me, in my mind at this
point, no.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because, I mean, I don't want
to make something better and make something else worse at the
same time. It's bad enough out there.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I understand.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Glenn, a copy of the job
descriptions for all maintenance personnel are being prepared
right now.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And if you're appointed,
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get these other things that you need to put that total
package together.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay.
COMMISSIONER HALDWIN: And the timesheets, I mean,
I -- that's something that you fill out.
MR. HOLEKAMP: No, the old-time sheets, to kind of
track their -- I would like to track their -- their history,
as far as showing up for work and all of those things that
are in the total picture here as to dependability, you know,
all of those things. I feel like all of those things are
real important to me. How much sick leave a person -- how ~
often they're sick, because then you have to find someone to
fill that. If they're averaging -- if a person is averaging
one day sick every two weeks, that means somebody else is
going to have to work overtime.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, if -- I'm going to
point out something, and we can talk about it more in detail
later, privately. The Assistant Supervisor, or whatever his
title is, I'm -- I can't remember what it is right now. But
the Assistant Supervisor in the Maintenance Department, in
his job description it says that when someone is absent due
to sickness or vacation, he is to fill in those positions.
He's to fill in for the -- the slot that's open. And we have
never -- that has not been done since I've been here. And
I've been kind of pushing for that, because that's what the
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job description says to do, and if we're not going to do it
that way, then let's change the job or have the job
description changed or something. But --
MR. HOLEKAMP: That was my point of all of this, is
that -- that the job description really needs to reflect what
they do. If it doesn't, there's no need for them.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree. And even at the Ag
Barn, as well. Any -- please review the same type of
information out there, or any recommendations as to a
long-term fix out there as to how we do things.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay. Well, let me clarify, then,
something. I realize that, you know, the Ag Barn is very
unique. Let's -- we'll use that word. Will those people be
under my maintenance supervisory control if this takes place?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay. That was one of the
questions.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're there, but, you know,
they -- see, they're in kind of a stand-alone situation at
the same time, but you are the boss.
MR. HOLEKAMP: It's not someone else telling them
what to do?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, it's you.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Oh, okay.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: That's needed very badly.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely.
MR. HOLEKAMP: But those are things that I really
need to know the parameters prior to doing it.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that's something, though,
that facility over there, probably, you know, you and I,
Lorinda, Mike, and Buster can kind of get together and go
over some of that stuff.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I would welcome it.
JUDGE DENSON: You want to comment on additional
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pay?
MR. HOLEKAMP: No. I work for the pleasure of the
Court, and I believe it's their responsibility to make a
recommendation.
JUDGE DENSON: Well, it's obvious that you're
taking on additional responsibilities -- not only additional
responsibilities, but something that I view as an extremely
important position, if done properly.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, actually, I think in
our budget process, that we need to probably put a Facility
Manager in the budget now, and then Mr. Holekamp's salary,
whatever it is we choose to pay him for this interim period,
would come out of that. Of course, there would be a couple
of months here that we'll have to come up with the extra
money, but I think that we need to build something into the
budget for the next year's budget, and then start -- I guess
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October 1, start coming out of that particular line item, his
monies that we pay him. I don't know where we're going to
get it from now until October 1, but I think that we need to
move toward a Facility Manager line item.
JUDGE DENSON: I mean, I have no objection to that.
Hut assuming that we're going to take action in a moment and
put him into this position, and then ask him to immediately
go to work in these additional duties, I think it's only fair
that we compensate him beginning immediately.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No question of that. Where
does that money actually come from? Out of my salary? I
don't think so.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I did review that budget just
briefly, the budget that was approved. Now, 2 don't have a
monthly budget, you know, update from the Court. The Court
has part-time money in Maintenance. Has that money been
expended?
JUDGE DENSON: I don't know. We --
MR. HOLEKAMP: That is an area that you may want
look at. If they have not hired anybody part-time to work,
that's a salary. It's -- it would not be outside of the
realm of the budget, you understand? In other words, you
wouldn't be taking it from capital outlay or something like
that. But I don't have a budget update for Maintenance; I
just have it, like, in my facility right now.
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JUDGE DENSON: Let me -- all I'm trying to do is
move this along. I mean, I think we can find the money one
place or another. But would -- and there, again, I'm
throwing out a figure lust out of the sky -- $250 a month
additional compensation at your present -- at his present
salary level. What we're talking about, basically, is 5500
between now and November -- I mean, excuse me, October 1st,
the new budget year.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Seems a little low to me.
JUDGE DENSON: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: Me too.
JUDGE DENSON: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not that I'm --
JUDGE DENSON: No, I mean --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 5251, okay?
JUDGE DENSON: And this is a -- a give-and-take.
I'd appreciate your input.
MR. HOLEKAMP: And I choose not to participate.
JUDGE DENSON: Okay. All right.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Judge, I really feel like that the
Court knows what it's worth to the County, and I really don't
want to put myself into position of saying what --
JUDGE DENSON: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd go -- I'd say 5500 a month,
I think is more reasonable.
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JUDGE DENSON: $6,000 a year?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: But -- yeah, on an interim
basis, until -- in addition to what he's doing, you know, and
then at least for the next two months. And then maybe
October 1, we could even look at it a little bit different,
I'm thinking, and then Glenn will have some time to see if,
you know, that's reasonable. 'Cause I -- hopefully he'll
tell us how much time he's spending.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Make a motion.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: If he does what I think he
can do with the two departments here, he's going to save us
more money than these guys sitting around doing nothing.
JUDGE DENSON: Okay. Now, who is --
MR. HOLEKAMP: I have a suggestion.
JUDGE DENSON: -- presently, Buster, the Assistant
Supervisor?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It is the gentlemen that is
at the jail at this time, that is assigned to the jail.
That's the --
JUDGE DENSON: And I thought that's who it was.
And I don't think -- you know, maybe he was appointed by
Johnny or whomever in the past as Assistant Supervisor. He
cannot be an effective Assistant Supervisor out there because
we know that he's anchored out there.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is correct, and that
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I believe Mike also has
that title, possibly.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, in a way.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which is another one who
shouldn't be that title. I mean, the job descriptions need
to really be looked at carefully in that whole department.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir, absolutely.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we --
JUDGE DENSON: Before you do, we're going to name
Johnny as Assistant Supervisor, drop him down from Supervisor
to Assistant.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Doesn't -- can't he do that, or
do we need to do that too?
JUDGE DENSON: I don't know. Do we make the
appointment on the -- I would think that the department head
makes those appointments.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: It'd be his department.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, that's correct. I
think the Assistant actually came in here before Johnny did.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: Yeah.
JUDGE DENSON: That's true; all the people that are
in Maintenance were there.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Including the Assistant
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JUDGE DENSON: Before Johnny came in. But, yeah,
think that makes sense, that we appoint the supervisor, the
supervisor decides who the assistant will be, acts in his
place.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: And he may want to change the
whole job descriptions of all of them, you know.
JUDGE DENSON: And I think we ought to make a
motion, or include in our -- one motion or separate motions,
to authorize him to put in some time clocks. Do you know
what a time clock costs?
MR. HOLEKAMP: About $200, sir.
JUDGE DENSON: I think you ought to immediately ge
some time clocks at these different places and put that --
that idea in place.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Put that on the agenda for
Monday.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Can we -- I would encourage -- and
don't mean to interrupt, but that could be -- really be part
of the budget process to implement October 1. It might be
easier, because that's a capital purchase. It's up to
ya'all, but, I mean, I'd go ahead and do it now if you so
wish. But what I'm saying is if you feel uncomfortable abou
changing things and just doing it in the budget, that's fine.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me, if we have capital mone
available in our Commissioners' Court capital outlay or the
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I'd rather buy it now.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: Can we Just go ahead and put
it on the agenda for Monday?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're talking about two,
aren't you, Ag Barn and Courthouse?
MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm. Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion to hire Glenn
Holekamp as the interim maintenance supervisor, at an
additional compensation of 5500 per month.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: When you talk about interim,
don't we put a date for review?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let's say with the review
September 30th, I don't know.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: And with the idea being that it
will probably be -- like I'm saying, he can come back at this
point and give us a review, but probably being 12-31-98,
through that period.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. I'll second that.
COMMISSIONER LACKEY: I'll third it.
JUDGE DENSON: Okay. All in favor?
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JUDGE DENSON: And that is effective immediately.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes.
JUDGE DENSON: So, go get them.
MR. HOLEKAMP: I would ask if -- if there would be
a liaison for -- for this Maintenance. I would appreciate it
very much if someone -- Commissioner Baldwin has, and I think
Commissioner Letz is the Ag Barn, so do you ya'all have a
problem with me coming to you with some of these things?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Please do.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Open-door type thing where we can
discuss them.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Feel free to go to to Mr.
Letz on the Ag Barn stuff.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Not to you?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, that's fine. He and I
talk enough that we keep each other up on all that.
MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay. So, in other words, as Bob
had said, I'll schedule a meeting with the maintenance staff
tomorrow morning.
(Off-the-record discussion.)
JUDGE DENSON: It's now 11:35, and I have an
emergency meeting posted dealing with an Executive Session of
personnel and maintenance and complaints about an employee
that we need to take up, and I want to invite you, as the II
newly appointed Supervisor, to be in attendance at that
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meeting, and in furtherance of trying to gain as much efilciency as we
can on these things, I'll invite one of the Commissioners-elect, Bill
Williams, to sit in on this meeting, too, `cause it could have long-term
ramifications. And, so, without further -further anything else to say on
that subject, let's close our open meeting and go into Executive Session.
(An Execut[ve Session was held, the transcript of which is
contained in a separate document.)
JUDGE DENSON: It's now 5 minutes of 12:00 on August 3,
1998, and we've just come out of Executive Session as posted. There's
no action to be taken on Executive Session subject matters. However, I
do want to announce to the public that this Executive Session and
possible action that may be taken on it, those discussions will continue
and resume at 11:00 a.m. on the 5~'. That will be Wednesday, August
5'~, 1998, at 11:00 a.m. So we'll be in recess on this until that time.
Anything further?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir.
JUDGE DENSON: Okay, thank you. We're in recess.
(Commissioners' Court was concluded at 11:58 a.m.)
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CERTIFICATE
The above and foregoing is a true and complete transciipt[on of
my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as Official Reporter of the
Commissioners Court of Kerr County, Texas, at the time and place
heretofore set forth.
DATED at Kerrville, Texas> this 7"` day of August, 1998.
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Kathy B
Certified Shorthand Reporter
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