ORDER N0. cE,7~O
SIGNRGE - F'RIVRTELY MRINTRINED RORDi
On this the 3rd day of October '000, ~_ipon motion made by
Commissioner flaldwin, seconded by Commissioner Lets, the Co~.irt
~_inanimo~_isly, by a vote of 4-a-~D, a~_ithorized/approved the ~_iee
of a strip of red tape applied to tide top ]. inch of '.;he
green sign to differentiate between +.,he roads that are
co~_{nty--maintained and those th<3t are not.
COMMISSIONERS' COURT AGENDA REQUEST
PLEASE FURNISH ONE ORGINAL AND NINE COPIES OF THIS REQUEST AND DOCUMENTS
~-- TO BE REVIEWED BY THE COURT.
MADE BY: Franklin Johnston. P E
OFFICE: Road & Bridge
MEETING DATE: October 23 2000 TIME PREFERRED:
SUBJECT: (PLEASE BE SPECIFIC) Consider signaee for privately maintained roads.
EXECUTIVE SESSION REQUESTED: (PLEASE STATE REASON)
NAME OF PERSON ADDRESSING THE COURT:
ESTIMATED LENGTH OF PRESENTATION:
Franklin Johnston. P.E
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- ,Texas Department of Transportation
P.O. BOX 29928 • SAN ANTONIO, TEXAS 78229-0928 • (210) 615-1110
P. O. Box 294024
Kerrville, Texas 78029-4029
Augur 29, 2000
Mr. Franklin Johnston, P.E.
Kerr County Engineer
4010 San Antonio Hwy.
Kerrville, TX 78028
Subject: Road Name Signs Within State Right of Way
Dear Mr. Johnston
This letter is in response to your letter of July 2S, 2000, and is a follow-up to our recent phone conversation on the
above subject.
I]n alt side roads (public or private) intersecting a highway where a "Stop" sign is present, the County may install a
green street name sign on top of the "Stop" sign post.
.- On any side road (public or private) where no "Stop" sign exists, the County may install a street name sign on a 2" pipe
with a concrete footing and screw in coupling as mentioned in your letter, provided that the sign is located next to the
State Right of Way line. If it is necessary to locate the sign adjacent to the highway iravelway, then the sign must be
mounted on a TXDOT approved breakaway sign mount assembly.
As for the color of the street name sign, we cannot approve the use of red, as we believe that this would violate the
standards set up in the Texas Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. We would, however, approve the use of a thin
strip of red tape applied to the top 1" of the green sign to differentiate between the side roads that are County
maintained and those that are not.
Hopefully, these guidelines will allow you to move forward with your road-name signing program where State Right of
Way is involved. If you have any furiher questions, please feel free to contact us.
Sincerely,
Bill M. Tucker
Area Engineer
BTlbt
Cc: Kerr Co. Comm. Court
Cc: T. Sandlin
Cc: Amo1d Ramirez, P.E.
Dist. Traffic Engr.
Cc: Wayne Pehl
Maint. Supv.
An Equal Opportunity Emp/pyer
Standards for Conventional Road Guide Signs prescribed herein shall
apply to any road or street other than an eapresaway or freeway.
2D•2 Application
Guide signs are essential to guide vehicle operators along streets and
highways, to inform them of intersecting -routes, to direct them to
cities,, town,, villages, or other important deatinationa, to identify nearby
fivers and streams, parka, forests, and ~hiatorical sites, ,and generally to
give such Information as will help them along their way in the moat
simple, direct manner possible.
2D-8 Color, Retlectorization, and Illumination
Eacept where otherwise specified herein for individual signs or groups
of signs or markers, guide signs on conventional roads and streets shall
have a white message on a green background.
Requirements for reflectorization or illumination are stated under the
specific headings for individual guide signs or groups of signs. General
provisions are given in sections 2A-16 through 2A-18.
2Dd Size of Signs
For most guide signs the legend is so variable that there can be no
rigidly standardized size. The sign size must be fined primarily in terms
of length of the message and the size of the lettering and spacing
necessary for proper legibility. However, for signs with standardized
designs, such as route markers, it is practicable to fin standard sizes
and these are given in the Standard Highway Sign Designs for Texas '
publication.
Under some circumstances, particularly for overhead signs, the
available apace may limit sign width. A sign mounted over a particular
roadway iane to which it applies may have to be limited is width to
~, the lane width. Where vertical clearances are liauted, and standard sign
design cannot be used, a reduced letter height, interline and edge spac-
ing may be used. When a reduction in the standard size is necessary,
the design used should be as nearly comparable to standards as possi•
ble.
2D 5 Lettering Style
The standard lettering for conventional highway signs is uppercase
letters (sec. 2A-lbi. However, when letter height eaceeda 8 inches, place
TX 2D-i (Rev. No. 3i