1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, April 24, 2000 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: FREDERICK L. HENNEKE, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 LARRY GRIFFIN, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X April 24, 2000 PAGE 2 1.1 Pay Bills 12 3 1.2 Budget Amendments 13 1.3 Late Bills 18 4 1.4 Read and Accept Monthly Reports 19 5 2.1 Resolution, TCDP Colonia Planning Fund Project 20 6 2.2 Business name change, Texas Cable Partners, LP 23 7 2.3 Reclassify step/grade for two deputy clerks 29 8 2.4 JP2 transfer of funds for mobile computer cart 30 9 2.8 Resolution, space for District Attorney for Violence Against Women's Act grant 31 10 2.9 Possible space allocation, lower level Annex 40 11 2.6 PUBLIC HEARING - Ordering Bond election for 12 Lake Ingram Estates Road District 54 13 2.7 Calling for bond election, Lake Ingram Estates 70 14 2.10 Approve Drug-Free Zones for Center Point ISD 73 15 2.13 Preliminary plat, Mountain Home Oaks 76 16 2.14 Replat, Sites 16 & 17, J.L. Nichols Subdivision 83 17 2.15 PUBLIC HEARING - Abandonment of platted road easement, Pecan Drive, Cypress Park Subdivision 87 18 2.16 Abandonment of Pecan Drive, Cypress Park 88 19 2.12 Change names of 2 private restricted roads: 20 "River Bend North" to "Blue Sage Trail" "River Bend South" to "Conestoga Trail" 89 21 2.11 Purchase of tables & chairs from Hill Country 22 District Jr. Livestock Show Association 95 23 2.18 Appoint Bob Ditmar to HCYEC Master Plan Comm. 97 24 2.17 Update on status of current budget 97 25 --- Adjourned 103 3 1 On Monday, April 24, 2000, at 9:00 a.m., a Special 2 Session of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held 3 in the Commissioners Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had 5 in open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: All right. It's 9 o'clock on 8 Monday morning, April 24th, Year 2000. We'll call to order 9 this special Commissioners Court meeting. Commissioner 10 Letz, I believe you have the honors this morning. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Please stand. 12 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, Jonathan. At this 14 time, any citizens who wish to address the Court on an item 15 not on the regular agenda may do so. Is there anyone in the 16 courtroom who would like to address the Court on an item 17 which is not listed on the regular agenda? 18 MR. SIEMERS: I have one. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: All right. 20 MR. SIEMERS: May I have a minute? 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: We're rolling. You're 22 behind. 23 MR. SIEMERS: Okay, I'm sorry. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: The train starts on the track 25 at the next stop. 4 1 MR. SIEMERS: I'm going to sound like a broken 2 record, and I apologize for that. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Please identify yourself. 4 MR. SIEMERS: Paul Siemers, HC-1, Box 156-N, 5 Hunt. Two weeks ago when I was here, we talked about the 6 drought, and that's what my subject is again today. And I 7 prepared some written comments, but after I got back from 8 the -- my weekend Easter trip and looked at the river flows, 9 I'm not sure what I wrote Friday is really relevant any 10 more, because the river flow is down in the low 30's now at 11 Kerrville Dam, and that's a drop of almost 15 cubic feet per 12 second in two weeks. You're probably aware of this. 13 But, my -- I guess I -- really, today, it all 14 boils down to the request I made last week, and I've made 15 the to City Council, and I guess I'm -- you know, I'm a 16 squeaky wheel that's not getting much attention, I don't 17 think, but I'm going to keep squeaking. I'm trying to 18 figure out why, if -- if this was any other natural disaster 19 coming our way and we were aware of it; a hurricane, a 20 tornado, a flood, the Office of Emergency Preparedness, 21 which we don't have, would be yelling and screaming, most 22 every City government or County government would be warning 23 and recommending that action be taken, do something to 24 prepare for this impending natural disaster. We have a -- 25 we have a drought coming. We're in a drought, for two, 5 1 three -- I don't know how many years, really. And we don't 2 know where we are in that drought, and nobody's doing 3 anything. Nobody's holding up their hand. 4 I don't mean that totally. We are -- there is 5 activity going on, but nobody has come out in the paper -- 6 the editorial staff of the paper, nor any governments have 7 come out and said, "Citizens of Kerr County, we are in a 8 drought. These are the things that should be done to try to 9 mitigate the effects of that drought." And to prepare for a 10 long-term drought, which we may be in. And, I -- I just -- 11 I just get frustrated that we are in this situation, and the 12 City is on the verge of losing its diversion permit. If the 13 river keeps going down, they're going to start pumping off 14 the aquifer. They start pumping off the lower aquifer -- 15 and nobody's going to convince me that the lower and the 16 middle and the upper aren't all connected somewhere 17 underground there -- and it's going to affect everybody in 18 the county. 19 And, I don't know what I'm asking today, 20 necessarily, except that I wish that the County and City 21 governments could get together and -- with the papers and 22 put a big headline up that said, "Drought." I'd like to see 23 that word in the paper one time, other than in an editorial 24 written by a citizen of the county. And, let me see what 25 else I wrote here. I'm sorry. So, that's all. I guess 6 1 that's the bottom line, is that I'm -- I'm confused and 2 concerned that we are ignoring a very insidious problem 3 here, that the results of which could be financially, 4 economically -- or economically and physiologically as 5 damaging as any of the other natural disasters we don't seem 6 to have around here, thank goodness. So, thank you for your 7 time. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: You're welcome. Thank you, 9 Paul. Is there anyone else who would like to address the 10 Court on an item not listed on the regular agenda? If not, 11 we'll turn to Commissioners comments. Commissioner Letz. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have nothing this 13 morning. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioner Griffin? 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes, I do. A little 16 bit different from most of these kind of comments, I'd like 17 to make a personal and political comment. I know everybody 18 will be shocked to hear that there's politics discussed in 19 the courthouse. But, over the last several weeks, I've -- 20 I've heard numerous people -- or numerous people have come 21 forward to tell me that they understand I'm going to be a 22 one-term Commissioner, that Larry Griffin's going to be a 23 one-term Commissioner; "He's not going to run again." And, 24 I want to publicly say there's nothing do that. I don't 25 know what the purpose of the rumor is, and I don't know 7 1 what -- who started it, and couldn't care less. But, I 2 intend to be a Commissioner for the foreseeable future, and 3 if that includes running again, I'll run again. Now, I may 4 win the Lotto and have so much money that I've got to fly my 5 Lear jet and may not have time. But, unless something good 6 like that happens, I'll -- I'll probably step down from this 7 job when the people in Precinct 4 don't want me any more. 8 But -- I don't know where it started or whatever, but 9 that's -- there's nothing to it. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Can we consider that 12 a political announcement? 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: No, it's not. 2002 is 14 a long way off. That's the reason I hadn't thought about it 15 till I started hearing all these rumors. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I was wondering if I 17 should tie on to yours. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioner Baldwin? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't have any 20 comment, other than, Commissioner, I haven't -- haven't even 21 heard that, and I usually hear those things. Hadn't heard a 22 comment about that yet. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, I've gotten it 24 from a lot of folks, both in the courthouse and outside the 25 courthouse. 8 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I would hope that 2 you would consider a Citation instead of the Lear. 3 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Make room for your old 5 friends, you know. 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Right. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioner Williams? 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah, Judge. I just 9 wanted to commend Mr. Siemers for his comments. I had a 10 little sticky on my notes here to thank you publicly for 11 your column in the Kerrville Daily Times. Very thoughtful. 12 MR. SIEMERS: Thank you, sir. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Very complete, and 14 you did your research; you know what you're talking about. 15 How we make the public more aware is a really good problem. 16 I suggest to you that it has a lot to do with economics. 17 And when water gets to be equivalent to or close to the 18 price of gas -- water at the faucet gets to be close to the 19 price of gas at the pump, then the American people are going 20 to stand up or sit up and take notice. Until then, I guess 21 all we have to do -- or what we have to do mostly is keep 22 yammering at them. And, thank you for your efforts. 23 MR. SIEMERS: Thank you. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: I certainly would agree 25 Commissioner -- agree with Commissioner Williams on your 9 1 efforts, Paul. It's a frustrating thing to try to educate 2 the people as to something they don't want to learn about. 3 MR. SIEMERS: Okay. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: I mean, I -- I did a series 5 of four TV shows through this week in Kerrville; 6 Commissioner Williams did one for me, on the very topic of 7 water and conservation and drought. I know I talk about it 8 whenever I'm asked to talk to a public group, and I know the 9 other Commissioners do, as well, whenever they have an 10 opportunity to talk about it. The people just don't want to 11 hear it. They don't understand that, basically, we're in 12 the third year of a 4-year drought, at least. Three of the 13 last four years have been in such a state that they could be 14 considered drought. And, things are falling rapidly as you 15 drive around the county and, indeed, around the whole state. 16 I saw recently where the capacity of the 17 lakes in Texas are at their lowest level ever for this 18 period of time. And there's going to have to be rationing 19 imposed, and there are going to be communities which flat 20 run out of water, because there is no water stored. Without 21 stored water, many communities don't have the capacity to go 22 underground. Our underground doesn't have the ability to 23 sustain the burden in the county for very long. If we have 24 to go on underground water exclusively for very long, then 25 it's -- it's going to be, long-term, very damaging to the 10 1 whole community. And, you know, how we convince people to 2 turn off their sprinklers and stop washing their cars and 3 take those small steps which make a big result, I don't 4 know. And, perhaps we should try to have a joint press 5 conference with the City and the Headwaters and the U.G.R.A. 6 and attempt to publicize the need a little better. We'll 7 work on that today. But, again, thank you for your comments 8 and reminding us of our responsibilities as leaders to keep 9 the public aware of what's going on and the impact it has on 10 the -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I think one 12 comment -- I don't mean to minimize the drought; it is 13 severe that we're in, and shallow wells will have definite 14 problems. But the studies of the Trinity show that we are 15 okay for the foreseeable future through a large drought. I 16 mean, we're not going to -- I mean, the wells -- unless all 17 the analysis in the Trinity are wrong, the city wells are 18 not going to go dry, and probably all the Trinity wells in 19 the county are not going to dry if we go through a 7-year 20 drought. 21 We're starting to go through a long-term 22 problem of depleting the Trinity until you do get some 23 substantial rainfall, but -- I think we need to be careful, 24 but we don't need to be so alarmist that -- "We're running 25 out of water." Because that's part of the problem I see, is 11 1 when governments go out and say, "We're running out of 2 water, we're running out of water," and it doesn't happen, 3 then people don't believe it. I think we need to be very 4 sure that we're in a very severe drought. We need to 5 educate the people to conserve, because it's the smart thing 6 to do, period. But, saying we're going to run out of water 7 and to go too far, I think, is kind of the same thing that 8 has happened with federal government with their ozone and 9 all their temperature rise and all these things of that 10 nature. They come out with these, you know, totally 11 unsubstantiated things there that are going to happen, and 12 they don't happen; the people don't believe the government. 13 So, I think it's proper to educate them that 14 we're in a drought, they need to conserve water. You need 15 to -- you know, if you're going to sprinkle -- water your 16 yard, do it properly. If you're going to plant grass, plant 17 the right kind of grass for this area. You know, there's 18 lots of things people can do at a conservation level which 19 will help a great deal. If everyone can just reduce water 20 consumption 10 percent, that's, I think, the -- you know, 21 the education area there is where we really need to, you 22 know, focus, to me, on conserving water in this area, 'cause 23 it's really -- while you're in a drought right now, even in 24 wet years, we're dry around here; we're in a very semi-arid 25 portion of the state. 12 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's true. At this time, 2 we'll move to the approval agenda. Mr. Auditor, do we have 3 any bills to pay? 4 MR. TOMLINSON: Always have bills to pay. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: Only 19 pages worth today. 6 Does anyone have any questions or comments regarding the 7 bills? 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Move we pay the 9 bills. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 12 Williams, seconded by Commissioner Baldwin, that we pay the 13 bills as recommended by the Auditor. Any further discussion 14 or questions? I have one -- one question. Page 5, West 15 Texas Gas, Inc., the second one. Fuel bill, second item 16 from the bottom. That's a rather large fuel bill. Is 17 that -- were they late in getting their invoices in so they 18 accumulated? Or -- Sheriff, do you have any explanation 19 from the Sheriff's Department? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't know. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: $4,778 for fuel. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'd have to look at 23 that. I don't know on that one. Which month would that 24 have been? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Shows March, 3/2000. 13 1 (Discussion off the record.) 2 MR. TOMLINSON: That's the date of the 3 invoice. But -- yeah, here we go. 3/2. It's one month, I 4 guess. It's for 3/2 to 3/31. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: All right. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Gasoline prices. That's 7 all I can say. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's probably 25 9 percent higher than normal, at least. That probably is the 10 gas increase. It usually runs 3,000-something. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Right. That's why that 12 struck me. It's been moved and seconded that we pay the 13 bills as approved by the Auditor. Any further questions? 14 If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 15 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Budget 19 amendments. Number 1 is for Constable, Precinct 2. 20 MR. TOMLINSON: This is a request from Joel 21 Ayala to transfer $525 from Group Insurance to Office 22 Supplies and Training. It's to reestablish his office 23 for -- so that's part of that, and he needs initial training 24 for -- for his job. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Move approval of the 14 1 budget amendment. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 4 Williams, second by Commissioner Baldwin, that we approve 5 Budget Amendment Request No. 1 for Constable, Precinct 2. 6 Any questions or comments? If not, all in favor, raise your 7 right hand. 8 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Budget 12 Amendment Number 2, for Jail Maintenance. 13 MR. TOMLINSON: This is a request from Glenn 14 Holekamp to transfer $668 out of Supplies into Uniforms. 15 Apparently, this is for the remainder of this fiscal year. 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Move approval. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second, with a question. 18 Is Glenn here? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't see him. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 21 Griffin, seconded by Commissioner Letz, that we approve 22 Budget Amendment Request Number 2 for Jail Maintenance. Any 23 further comments or questions? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know if Tommy 25 will be able to answer this, but is there a reason that 15 1 we're about 100 percent off on the costs of this line item? 2 I mean, we budgeted $600; we're going to end up spending 3 about $1,200. I wondered if there was any reason. 4 MR. TOMLINSON: No, not -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Any additional staff out 6 there that we're -- 7 MR. TOMLINSON: I'm not sure. I'd have to 8 research that one. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any further questions or 10 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 11 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 3 15 regarding the 216th District Court. 16 MR. TOMLINSON: Okay. This is to transfer 17 $2,201.50 from Court Transcripts into Special Trials. This 18 is -- is just a reclassification, is what this is. We're 19 reclassifying this expense into the Special Trials for 20 reimbursement, in case we're eligible, and so -- and I also 21 have a late bill for that $2,201.50 to Cindy Snider. This 22 is for the voir dire for the Ramiro Hernandez trial. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 16 1 second by Commissioner Griffin, that we approve Budget 2 Amendment Request Number 3 for 216th District Court. Any 3 further questions or comments? If not, all in favor, raise 4 your right hand. 5 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 4 9 relates to the County Jail. 10 MR. TOMLINSON: This is from Sheriff 11 Hierholzer to transfer $10,974.88 from Jail Salaries, 12 $8,389.44 to Part-Time Salaries, and $2,585.44 into Overtime 13 in the jail. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a question. Is -- 15 are you going to use the same procedure as we used in the 16 past, that when you -- a new hire is hired, that it comes 17 out of Part-Time until they've been around -- 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, that's already been 19 eliminated. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Eliminated. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If they're hired 22 full-time, they'll come out of the Full-Time salaries. If 23 they're hired as a part-time employee, they'll come out of 24 the Part-Time Salary. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, it's -- then that 17 1 leads to another question. Why are -- are we expecting more 2 part-time amendments of this type? I mean -- 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Until we get past this 4 hump, we had -- I don't know how far back, you know, it was 5 going to get us through this. You know, starting right now, 6 we've -- we do not have any more part-time employees that 7 are really full-time employees, if you know what I'm -- I 8 mean. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So, this is -- 10 part of this is -- this is part of that -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Part of -- this is part 12 of that from back -- getting back. 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: This is a wrinkle in 14 the rug that's getting pushed forward until we get -- 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, until we get it 16 taken care of, because that's so confusing. I couldn't tell 17 where we were half the time. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. So moved. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 21 seconded by Commissioner Griffin, that we approve Budget 22 Amendment Request Number 4 for the County Jail. Any further 23 discussion? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 24 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 18 1 (No response.) 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Late bills, Tommy? 3 MR. TOMLINSON: I have one for $1,000, to the 4 United States Postal Service for postage meter for the 5 County Clerk. I need a hand check for this. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 9 seconded by Commissioner Griffin, that we approve the late 10 bill in the amount of $1,000 to the Postmaster for postage 11 meter for County Clerk's office. Any further discussion? 12 If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 13 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 15 (No response.) 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Tommy, I 17 think we need to take action on that late bill for Cindy, on 18 that transcript. 19 MR. TOMLINSON: We didn't? 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: We approved the budget 21 amendment, but I don't think we approved the late bill, so 22 we need to approve a late bill in the amount of -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: $2,201.50. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- $2.201.50, for transcript 25 from the Ramirez trial. 19 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 4 second by Commissioner Griffin, that we approve the late 5 bill in the amount of $2,201.50 for the transcript in the 6 Ramirez trial. Any further discussion? If not, all in 7 favor, raise your right hand. 8 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. At this 12 time, I'd entertain a motion to approve and accept the 13 monthly reports. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So moved. 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 17 Griffin, seconded by -- moved by Commissioner Williams, 18 seconded by Commissioner Griffin, that we approve and accept 19 the monthly reports. Any further comments or questions? If 20 not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 21 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, on that topic, 25 some -- I guess it was brought up before you got here. Can 20 1 you send a letter out, or does someone make sure that these 2 reports are coming in timely at some point? I don't know 3 that we need an action. Just -- they seem to be coming in 4 late; we don't get a chance to see a lot of these before -- 5 they ought to get these here and in -- the department heads 6 ought to get these things in on time; then we'd have time to 7 circulate them and be aware of them before we act on them. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: All we have to do. Okay. 9 Moving to the regular agenda, Item Number 1, consider and 10 discuss resolution to apply for 2000 T.C.D.P. Colonia 11 Planning Fund and designate the County Judge to act on 12 behalf of the County in all matters pertaining to the 13 application. Commissioner Williams. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Judge and 15 Commissioners, this is the final step in the process for 16 Kerr County to apply for T.C.D.P. Colonia Planning Fund 17 project funds for the purposes of mapping Kerr County for 18 infrastructure needs and requirements. And, in your packet 19 is a resolution authorizing Commissioners Court to move 20 forward and asking the County Judge to act as the executive 21 officer in charge of this matter. And, the amount that 22 we're requesting is $110,000 in grant funds. There was a 23 public hearing conducted by the Grantworks people a week ago 24 today. I believe the newspaper reported seven or eight 25 people attended that public hearing. The purpose of the 21 1 public hearing was for input, and probably to answer 2 questions for folks who had questions. That being the case, 3 I move the resolution be approved as submitted. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 6 Williams, seconded by Commissioner Baldwin, that we approve 7 the resolution to apply for 2000 T C.D.P. Colonia Planning 8 Fund project and to authorize County Judge to act on behalf 9 of the County on all matters pertaining to the application. 10 Any further questions or comments? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why do you always look at 12 me for comments? I do have a comment, though. The very 13 last sentence under Item 4 -- well, the whole sentence 14 reads, "That the Commissioners Court directs and designates 15 the Judge as the County's Chief Executive Officer and 16 Authorized County Representative to act in all matters in 17 connection with this application and the County's 18 participation in the Texas Community Development Program." 19 The first -- is that "and" the County's participation? To 20 me -- I mean, I hope you would consult the -- with the 21 Commissioner of the precinct when it comes to anything being 22 done under this application within our precincts. This is 23 delegating the entire -- you know, I guess, just decisions 24 to you. And I think that, you know, that it needs to be -- 25 certainly, needs to come back to the Court when it comes to 22 1 those types of matters, or at least to consult with the 2 Commissioner. There may be a reason for Grantworks to word 3 it like this; maybe it's required, but it just seems a 4 little bit broader than I'm used to doing. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: It's my understanding this is 6 simply a mapping grant. All they're going to do is go out 7 and map the county for purposes of determining where the 8 needs for infrastructure are. Anything beyond that, I don't 9 have the authority to act on. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But during the 11 planning grant, when they're doing things in -- things 12 coming up in my precinct or one of the others, I -- then I 13 would -- related to the planning, I would think that it 14 should be at least consulted with the Commissioner. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: If I'm asked to make any 16 decisions regarding anybody's precinct as per the planning, 17 I certainly will consult with the Commissioner involved. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That was my only 19 comment. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Motion's been made and 21 seconded. Any further discussion? If not, all in favor, 22 raise your right hand. 23 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 25 (No response.) 23 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Item Number 2 2 is a request from Texas Cable Partners, L.P., to change 3 the name on the permit from T.C.I. Cablevision of Southwest 4 Texas to Texas Cable Partners, L.P. Is Mr. Jay Burton here? 5 MR. ROBERTS: No, he's not here; he's out of 6 town. I'm here to represent Time-Warner. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: All right. Come forward and 8 identify yourself; tell us what it's all about, please. 9 THE WITNESS: My name's Robert Roberts, and 10 I'm Installation Supervisor for Time-Warner Communications. 11 And, my understanding with this is -- is that Bandera 12 Electric Co-op, in order for us to -- for them to grant us a 13 continuance on our pole agreement that we have with them, 14 they need to officially change the name from T.C.I. to Texas 15 Cable Partners, Limited, which occurred at the first of last 16 year. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Change the name for what 18 purpose? 19 MR. ROBERTS: Well, the -- at the first of last 20 year, T.C.I. went into a limited partnership with 21 Time-Warner. Time-Warner took over the management of the 22 cable system at that time. 23 JUDGE HENNEKE: My confusion, sir, is because 24 the Court has no authority over naming. We don't approve 25 name changes. We don't do any name changes. 24 1 MR. ROBERTS: I think it has to do with the 2 franchise, the proper name on the franchise. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: The application for the 4 franchise? 5 MR. ROBERTS: Yes, sir. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Is there an 7 application pending, or are we being asked simply to -- 8 MR. ROBERTS: Just -- 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- take note of the fact that 10 the -- on the existing franchise, that the name is changed 11 from -- 12 MR. ROBERTS: Yes, sir, that's it. You're just 13 recognizing that -- the name change. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I guess I have a 15 similar question. It says "County permit." I mean, what -- 16 we don't issue permits for this type of thing that I'm aware 17 of. I've never seen one coming to the Court. I mean, I 18 don't -- I'm kind of like you; I'm at a loss as to why we're 19 doing it. It seems maybe it's a County Clerk issue of 20 assumed name type thing, or designating a name, or I don't 21 know why it's the County. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, City of 23 Kerrville is the permittee, is it not? The grantor of the 24 franchise? 25 MR. ROBERTS: We have to be authorized by the 25 1 County, since we are outside the city limits. 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: As well as inside. 4 MR. ROBERTS: Yes. We don't -- we're not 5 restricted to the city limits. And -- 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: This is just to 7 recognize -- pardon me. I'm sorry I interrupted, but this 8 is just to recognize a de facto name change that's already 9 occurred. It's so that the paperwork and deed on the 10 franchise is, in fact, the name of the company now, which 11 has been already been changed. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: Do we have a copy of the 13 Certificate of Amendment or anything like that evidencing 14 the name change? 15 MR. ROBERTS: That I don't know. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: I don't have a problem with 17 recognizing the name change, but I would like -- myself, 18 like to see the legal authority for the name change. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. I mean -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I only have a couple 21 of questions here, Robby. Number one, down on the bottom of 22 your insurance certificate, we're not at 624 Jefferson 23 Street. The Commissioners Court's at 700 Main Street in 24 Kerrville. And, number two, I mean, the guy spent his time 25 coming here; let's at least change the name of his street. 26 1 We can do that; we have the authority to change the name of 2 his road. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Put the courthouse in 4 the proper location. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's a joke, Robby; 6 don't get nervous. I agree with the Judge. I mean, bless 7 you. Bye. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, now, wait. I 9 have a related comment, though. This is totally unrelated 10 to this, but it relates to Cablevision services. And while 11 we are not the franchise grantor, I just want to call 12 attention to a couple things I think you folks ought to take 13 under consideration; I'll use this opportunity to do that. 14 First of all, local news, a lot of it, comes over Channel 15 51. Channel 51's been taken off the basic package. I think 16 you folks ought to consider putting Channel 51 back on the 17 basic package so people who do subscribe can receive local 18 news that they are producing for the local community. And, 19 secondly, a lot of the folks who live in Kerr County who 20 subscribe to your cable are folks who have moved here from 21 other parts of the great state of Texas, and there is a 22 service out there that's called TXCN, Texas Cable News, and 23 it provides news to people who are subscribers from every 24 location in the state of Texas, so they can keep up with 25 places where they've been. I comment on that for your 27 1 consideration, as well. 2 MR. ROBERTS: That's fine. I'll take this to 3 our -- I hope you're aware we've got a new manager, on-site 4 manager now that we haven't had before. Her name is Susan 5 Ivens, and she is going to be in the office regularly now, 6 where we've always -- in the last five years, have had a 7 manager that was stationed out of another system, another 8 town. And, that should help those kind of things. As far 9 as the Channel 51 thing, Channel 51 has not been moved out 10 of the basic package. It's always been an advanced basic. 11 The difference now that has recently changed is that -- 12 that, because we have a local manager, because she is more 13 involved in what we're doing, we're doing some auditing and 14 changing out the expanded basic traps that didn't get 15 changed out a couple of channel lineup changes ago, which 16 was involving a couple years, and so that now we're going 17 drop by drop and putting the correct services on each and 18 every drop in town. Consequently, some people that were 19 getting Channel 51 before, but not paying for it, are not 20 getting Channel 51 any more, and that's where the -- the 21 conflict has arisen. They -- some of the old traps that we 22 had on the system allowed channels above 49 to pass, and 23 that's not the case any more. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Then, if I understand 25 you correctly, I can expect Channel 51 to be restored to 28 1 basic cable? 2 MR. ROBERTS: No, sir, it's never been. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yes, it was. 4 MR. ROBERTS: Well, there again, what I'm 5 saying is you were probably one of the ones that was -- had 6 an older trap, and that now that the current trap is put on, 7 that it's not there any more. It wasn't ever supposed to be 8 there. That's the difference. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: How does your manager 10 spell her last name? 11 MR. ROBERTS: I-v-e-n-s. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I-v-e-n-s. Okay, 13 thank you. I'll direct a letter to her. Thank you. 14 MR. ROBERTS: Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Be nice, Bill. Go 16 ahead and hit him about the rates while you've got him here. 17 MR. ROBERTS: Anything else? 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: On the request, does the 19 Court want to authorize the County Judge to change the name 20 on the -- on the application upon submittal of the proper 21 documentation evidencing the name change? 22 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So moved. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 25 Griffin, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court 29 1 authorize the County Judge to approve the name change on the 2 cable franchise paperwork upon submission of the proper 3 paperwork evidencing the name change. Any further 4 discussion? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 5 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: I'm going to need certified 9 copies of the Article of Amendment or whatever documentation 10 was filed with the Secretary of State or the State of Texas 11 changing the name from T.C.I. Cablevision of Southwest Texas 12 to Texas Cable Partners, L.P. 13 MR. ROBERTS: All right, sir. I'll see to it 14 that you get it. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you. Item Number 3, 16 consider and discuss reclassification to correct the title 17 and step grade for two deputy clerks. County Clerk, Jannett 18 Pieper. 19 MS. PIEPER: Yes. This is another one of those 20 wrinkles that we just need to correct. At the present time, 21 I have two deputies that have misclassified titles, and when 22 I appointed the supervisor for my County Court at Law 23 section, she was a 13-6, and the lady who did the actual 24 administrative job was a 15-3. Now, the 13's are classified 25 as senior clerks, and the 15's are administrative clerks, so 30 1 I need to recognize them for the job they're doing. 2 Therefore, I'm requesting the Court to approve the reversal 3 of their classification to help me correct the error. The 4 money is in the budget; this is basically just a simple 5 corrective measure. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: So, it will have no impact 7 upon their pay; it simply puts them in the proper 8 classifications for the jobs they're doing? 9 MS. PIEPER: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 13 Baldwin, seconded by Commissioner Williams, that we approve 14 the reclassification of two deputy clerks in the County 15 Clerk's office. Any further discussion? If not, all in 16 favor, raise your right hand. 17 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 19 (No response.) 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. 21 MS. PIEPER: Thank you. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you. Item Number 4 by 23 Justice Wright, consider and discuss granting permission for 24 mobile computer cart for the courtroom and budget amendment 25 to transfer funds from Software Maintenance to Capital 31 1 Outlay. 2 MS. WRIGHT: I'm asking that the 3 Commissioners Court transfer some money to my Capital Outlay 4 from Computer Maintenance. Since we stayed on the old 5 system for the next three years, we've got an excess in 6 Computer Maintenance, and I'm putting a computer in the 7 courtroom for -- with Software Group for access to the 8 District Judges and the Sheriff's Department. I want a 9 small table or small computer cart to go in there to hold 10 this system. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 14 seconded by Commissioner Griffin, that we approve the 15 transfer of funds and the budget amendment to purchase a 16 computer cart for J.P. Number 2. Any further questions or 17 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 18 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 20 (No response.) 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Okay. Item 22 Number 6 is our public hearing, which is scheduled for 23 10 o'clock, so we'll move to Item Number 7, which is also a 24 related item to Number 6. We'll move to Item Number 8, 25 which is a request from Bruce Curry for office space. 32 1 MR. SHURLEY: Good morning. I'm Mark 2 Shurley. I'm the Assistant District Attorney for Bruce 3 Curry. And, for the Commissioners that don't know, I'm the 4 unpaid Assistant District Attorney that -- 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Congratulations. 6 MR. SHURLEY: -- volunteers a lot of time, 7 and -- 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: I move we give him a raise. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Double his salary, huh? 10 MR. SHURLEY: Zero times zero is ... Anyway, 11 today I'm here asking for office space, to cut to the chase, 12 for a program that Bruce obviously wants to take part in, 13 and that's Judicial District Violence Against Women 14 Prosecution. Bruce and Lucy right now are just overwhelmed 15 with the amount of work they have to do, since Lucy's 16 funded -- actually, her salary is funded by the Task Force, 17 some kind of -- I'm not real sure what that is, but -- and 18 so Bruce is the only -- I mean, he's the elected official, 19 so nobody else is paid over there. 20 Lamar Smith and I are -- are volunteers, and 21 I can tell you one thing; I did two trials this last week, 22 and so if that tells you anything about -- if I were 23 charging $100 an hour, I would be doing real well this week 24 for the amount of time I spent last week. Anyway, to cut to 25 the chase again, Lamar and I have, in-kind, contributed 33 1 about $8,400 to help whoever the lawyer is who might happen 2 to fill this -- this spot if this grant is -- is given to 3 Bruce through the Criminal Justice Department. And, $7,200 4 this year -- this budget year is what Bruce is asking the 5 Court to approve, and that essentially is an in-kind 6 contribution, a space in the new or renovated court 7 addition. So, basically, any monies that -- that are 8 required of Bruce over and above that $7,200 will be taken 9 out of his existing accounts, so no additional monies will 10 be necessary in this budget year. 11 Now, that's not to say that there won't be 12 some additional monies needed in subsequent years. Of 13 course, this will be divided by four, with the other coun -- 14 the other three counties contributing their share to 15 anything over and above what is here. So, I don't know. Do 16 y'all have any questions about -- maybe I've been a little 17 unclear, but to cut to the chase, we need space and need it 18 quickly, because we're going to lose this $105,000 if we 19 don't get a resolution passed by the Court. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, you're going after 21 a grant, and the County needs to participate in the grant 22 process. And, what are you going to get out of the grant? 23 MR. SHURLEY: Okay. The grant is going to be 24 for $105,000; I believe that's the number. And out of a 25 total of $143,000, I believe it is. The grant is going to 34 1 go towards the hiring of a prosecutor, a victims' advocate, 2 and a secretary. And, if any of y'all have ever been in 3 Bruce Curry's office, there's no question that he needs some 4 additional space here to put that office. And, so, anyway, 5 -- and, needless to say, with the case load growing like it 6 has for both prosecutors, I'm sure Ron Sutton will be up 7 here stating the same thing, and Bruce. Of course, Bruce's 8 counties are more populated, basically. And I can attest to 9 the fact that I've been helping him for about six months 10 now, free. And, you know, there's a lot of work to be done, 11 so he -- he direly needs this additional paid prosecutor to 12 take care of these abuse or -- you know, women's crimes 13 prosecutions. And -- because there are plenty of other 14 prosecutions that -- that need our attention or need his 15 attention also, so it's very important that he be given some 16 space. And, I -- you know, we've talked -- or I've talked 17 some about it, and I don't know, you know, how many square 18 feet he needs. I think it's around 800 or so, if at all 19 possible, and -- because there's just absolutely no other 20 place to go for space, other than his back yard at a picnic 21 table. And so -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Mark, are the other three 23 counties -- how are they going to be participating, or are 24 they -- 25 MR. SHURLEY: Well, they're not. In this 35 1 initial budget year, they're not. But, once this budget 2 year is kind of gone, they will participate. You know, each 3 will be asked to participate in -- you know, I guess, a 4 quarter. Bruce will assign some value, of course, and he 5 has assigned some value to the space, if y'all give him some 6 space here as a contribution from Kerr County, for whatever 7 that overage is that's not covered by the grant. So, I hope 8 that answers your question. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It does. I guess my -- 10 you know, I'm certainly in favor of the program. Only 11 question is, I'm always reluctant to do those things that's 12 going to have future budget -- an impact on future years. 13 MR. SHURLEY: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This year looks like it's 15 going to be basically covered through in-kind contributions. 16 MR. SHURLEY: Exactly. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, in future years, 18 depending on what the other three counties do, it's going to 19 sort of have an impact which is out of our control. 20 MR. SHURLEY: Right. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then what do you -- 22 how do you -- if, for some reason, they decide or choose not 23 to fund it, then what do we do? 24 MR. SHURLEY: Well, I mean, I would assume at 25 that point that -- I mean, without a doubt, Bruce is going 36 1 to have to come back here and ask y'all for it. And, you 2 know, that will be addressed at that time. And, I -- I wish 3 I had a crystal ball to tell you, but I -- you know, I 4 don't. And, I don't know if the program will just fall 5 through, and Bruce and Lucy would have to kick it in high 6 gear and start beating the bushes for additional help, 7 volunteer help. I don't know. I don't know what the answer 8 is. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess my last question 10 is, assuming it does go through, is there any estimate of 11 what the budget impact will be to Kerr County if -- if 12 something -- assuming we use part of ours as office space as 13 an in-kind contribution? 14 MR. SHURLEY: You mean for future years? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Any ideas? 16 MR. SHURLEY: Well, again, I think it's close 17 to $143,000 per annum that, you know, the whole program 18 costs. Now, how this thing is funded, if it gets $105,000 a 19 year through the Criminal Justice grant, I -- you know, I'm 20 not sure. I don't know about that. And -- and I'm not so 21 sure Bruce is. But, I would assume that once -- of course, 22 the Judge is on the -- the AACOG deal. I -- you know, 23 Judge, you might know more about that than I do. But, 24 anyway, I -- I can't answer your question. I can only tell 25 you that for this budget year, Kerr County's not going to be 37 1 out a penny. You know, this will just be an in-kind 2 contribution of office space, which I just -- you know, 3 Lamar Smith and I have in-kind contributed $8,400; we're 4 asking Kerr County to in-kind contribute $7,200. So, we've 5 given more. If I -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I said it was my last 7 question, but I do have one other question. Location of 8 this office, is it going to be in some of the finished out 9 space on the third floor, or is it planning to be some of 10 the unallocated space on the first floor? 11 MR. SHURLEY: I have -- that I don't know. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're going to talk 13 about that in the next item. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. Because it will 15 affect that, because it's not a true in-kind -- I mean, 16 we're going to have to spend some money to get an office 17 ready on the first floor. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Tommy, do you have a comment? 20 MR. TOMLINSON: I helped Bruce with this 21 application somewhat. One thing that -- that was not 22 brought up is that it's a 25 percent match, so the majority 23 of that match comes from the volunteers. The rest of it 24 comes from -- from in-kind -- office space is part of it. 25 So, in the future, if you have a question about that, I 38 1 think what it boils down to is that -- the difference 2 between what -- what a volunteer -- the value of their 3 services plus the value of our space will be in hard 4 dollars. The hard -- the total match is -- I think it will 5 be approximately $25,000. I mean, it's 25 percent of 6 whatever the grant is. If there's hard dollars, then -- 7 then this county's -- four counties will participate in the 8 hard dollars proportionately. The ratio is by the -- by the 9 population of the counties. That's the way we allocate 10 the -- the cost to run the District Attorney's office as it 11 is today. So, I -- I would anticipate that -- that we're 12 only -- that we're talking about, maybe, a max of -- of 13 $10,000 to $12,000 per year to allocate some of the 14 counties. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I guess I have a 16 question that deals with one of the things that you just 17 referenced, Tommy, and that was how we arrived at the value 18 of our in-kind contribution. The gentleman indicated a need 19 for about 800 square feet of space, and a $7,200 in-kind 20 allocation would be about $9 a square foot. So, I'm guess 21 I'm wondering how we arrived at that conclusion. 22 MR. TOMLINSON: We looked at -- at rental 23 space and what the -- approximately what the -- what's on it 24 there in the market, and -- and applied a square footage 25 cost similar to a private sector rental. And, you know, 39 1 what it would cost to rent, you know, the same amount of 2 space in the private sector. And -- and used that as the -- 3 as the -- 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: We'll have to do that 5 from year to year, too, estimate the in-kind -- 6 MR. TOMLINSON: Right. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: It's a program that's needed 8 in the community. I think it's a way for us to participate. 9 I know that Mr. Shurley and Mr. Curry understand that there 10 is no office space available now. There's not likely to be 11 before September at the earliest, the very earliest. But, 12 if our agreement to participate with office space is 13 something the Court wants to do, it certainly will help us 14 take advantage of the -- of the grant money to provide a 15 service to our citizens that's sorely needed. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other questions? 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Are you comfortable 19 with the resolution as drafted? 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Yes, I am. 21 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I'll move that we 22 approve it. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second that motion. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 25 Griffin, seconded by Commissioner Baldwin, that we approve 40 1 the resolution in support of the grant application for 2 funding of the Judicial District Violence Against Women 3 Prosecution Project. Any further discussion? If not, all 4 in favor, raise your right hand. 5 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. 9 MR. SHURLEY: Thank you. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, Mr. Shurley. We 11 have about 12 minutes until our public hearing. I think the 12 next numerical item on the agenda may take a little longer 13 than that. What do you think, Commissioner Baldwin? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I think we can do 15 it, can't we? 16 MR. HOLEKAMP: Oh, in 12 minutes? Yeah. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Then we'll call Item Number 18 9, which is consider and discuss -- 19 MR. HOLEKAMP: How about a minute? 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- consider and discuss 21 possible space allocation for undesignated area of the Annex 22 lower level. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mr. Holekamp and I 24 have put our heads together some, and what we wanted to do 25 is just to kind of come and bring a -- some preliminary 41 1 thoughts to the Commissioners Court in regards to the space 2 that's available down below the old parking space under the 3 new Annex. And, in all of his infinite Comfort wisdom, 4 Mr. Holekamp has drawn out some ideas there, and what we 5 want to do is just kind of -- is just thoughts. And, we 6 want to throw them out to you guys, and if y'all feel like 7 that it may be a direction that we need to go, then we will 8 take some further steps and move forward with it. If you 9 have some thoughts about moving some things around, today's 10 the day to say so, and we will start moving some things 11 around. Mr. Holekamp, would you like this tripod? 12 MR. HOLEKAMP: I don't I think so. I'm going 13 to just stand off to the side and just do this generally. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Do you have 15 some copies of that for the Commissioners? 16 MR. HOLEKAMP: I don't have it with numbers 17 on it. I will do after we have gotten some direction. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right. 19 MR. HOLEKAMP: I got some new information 20 just a minute ago in the presentation by Mr. Shurley, so 21 this may give me some better ideas also. If y'all don't 22 mind, I'll just kind of stand here so everybody can kind of 23 see. This is the downstairs floor plan as given to Kerr 24 County by the architect that's doing this current facility. 25 And, what I did is I -- I took copies of it and I did some 42 1 square footage numbers as to what is in there that may be 2 available that has not been designated, and then have placed 3 just some numbers as to some of the projected needs. And, 4 as the Court probably knows, the -- in the bottom, there is 5 an area of approximately 1,350 square feet that was going to 6 be semi-finished for the District Clerk to move down there 7 on a temporary basis until her portion was finished, and 8 they were going to move them back up. As y'all know, that 9 has been changed; she's not moving, she's just going to move 10 to the side; is that correct? 11 MS. UECKER: That's correct. 12 MR. HOLEKAMP: That's correct. So, we have 13 some space down there that is -- it's going to be 14 sheetrocked, but not really finished, the 1,350. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think that's not going to 16 happen. My understanding is that they took the funds for 17 that temporary finish downstairs and reallocated them for 18 the temporary move upstairs. I don't think we have any 19 funds available. 20 MS. UECKER: I think there was a trade made. 21 MR. HOLEKAMP: I meant that I think they put 22 the -- the studs and everything are in. 23 JUDGE HENNEKE: But there's no money for any 24 finish out at all. 25 MR. HOLEKAMP: No, not for the finish out. 43 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Or any work. 2 MR. HOLEKAMP: No, no, no, I didn't mean it 3 that way. I meant the space is enclosed with studs and 4 everything. At least they're there; I hope they don't take 5 them out. But, there is approximately 1,350 square feet 6 there. The requests that I have about -- that I have 7 received from Kerr County department heads and elected 8 officials for any of that space downstairs, first one came 9 from the County Attorney's office for approximately 240 10 square feet, two offices for attorneys that was requested. 11 That was the first one. The second one I got -- received 12 was from the Treasurer's office, who is -- is in real tight 13 quarters upstairs, had indicated a need for additional 14 space. Those primarily are the only two that formally 15 requested additional space until today, when -- and I had 16 gotten advance notice from Commissioner Baldwin about it, of 17 approximately 800 square feet. Of course, y'all know 18 there's no funds in the budget currently for finishing out 19 any space, as far as I know. Is that correct, Tommy? 20 (Mr. Tomlinson nodded.) 21 MR. HOLEKAMP: So, I think we're at a stage 22 of saying, can it be done? Does the Court want to do it? 23 And yes, it can be done. It can be done with additional -- 24 I do not have the numbers of what it will cost. The County 25 Attorney's office, if y'all can see, is into the 44 1 undesignated space currently used by Justice of the Peace 3 2 for a courtroom, and it's used for meetings and that sort of 3 thing. That was an undesignated space. It would easily be 4 accomplished in there, the two offices, to tie into the 5 current office scheme. The Treasurer's office, in my 6 opinion, would probably have to be on the bottom in the 7 future; they call it temporary District Clerk's Office. I 8 would say a portion of that would be for the County 9 Treasurer's office. And then the remainder could possibly 10 be used for District Attorney. 11 The reason I say that for the District 12 Attorney, is -- is I understand the request is -- it's for a 13 crime victim's advocate, of sorts, and this -- those people 14 are kind of stressed out. I wouldn't think you'd really 15 want them through the main part of the courthouse. You'd 16 have an exit that is -- that's nearby, where they could come 17 and go, for obvious reasons. And, it could be accomplished. 18 I don't have the dollars or what it's going to cost, but it 19 would still allow growth to two areas that currently is not 20 allocated, allow for another 1,800 square feet to the -- to 21 the north that would not be touched or needed to be 22 expanded. We're talking about basically this area to be two 23 offices, and then the two small offices over here is really 24 the only thing that needs to be addressed under the current 25 requests. 45 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Glenn, what is the total 2 amount of additional office space that we're going to be 3 adding down there? 4 MR. HOLEKAMP: Well -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Under that parking -- 6 that area that was parking or driveway that's now going to 7 be offices, what's that square footage amount? Do you know? 8 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Grand total. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, the grand total. 10 Not counting -- not thinking of J.P. 3's courtroom, just the 11 area that was outside previously. Do you have a good idea? 12 MR. HOLEKAMP: Be approximately 4,000 square 13 foot. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 4,000, something like 15 that? 16 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes. And, some of it is -- 17 has been when they -- when they did the original plan, they 18 did some future -- they have some plumbing in some of the 19 areas, so you would not really want to put office space 20 there, because that is for future bathrooms because of the 21 plumbing, so you have to be kind of careful about the way 22 you put -- place certain things relative to the -- to the 23 future. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I seem to recall a 25 couple weeks ago we talked about the potential need for a 46 1 space planner. Seems to me that this has come around more 2 quickly than we had anticipated, someone who can assess the 3 needs of the various department heads and the unique 4 considerations of what it is they need, where to put in a 5 particular office because of the -- of the type of work 6 they're going to be doing, if they have special 7 considerations, and I just bring that back up again. I 8 think we need some assistance. And, I'm not being 9 disrespectful of your efforts, Mr. Holekamp. 10 MR. HOLEKAMP: No. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But we're only going 12 to have one shot at the proper allocation of that space down 13 there, and I would hate to do it on a -- a first-come, 14 first-served, without any particular planning basis, only to 15 find out later that we either misused it or could have done 16 it better. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you have anybody in 18 mind? 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: No, I honestly don't. 20 I think we can find somebody. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I know you can. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think what Commissioner 23 Baldwin was doing, which is what we really needed to do, was 24 to get some -- a who and a what, kind of set up a priority 25 system. And, from what Mr. Holekamp has reported, it 47 1 appears that we have adequate space for the requests that 2 have been received. And, one thing we have to keep in mind 3 is that part of our deal with the Texas Historical 4 Commission on renovation of the Annex was to take the 5 existing Judge's bench and move it down into J.P. 3's 6 courtroom space. That was so they would not continue to 7 fight us on all of our plans for the Annex renovations, so 8 we need to plan for that eventuality, where the existing 9 Judge's bench upstairs is going to move down into Judge 10 Tench's area. So, I -- that's something we need to -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There still room for 12 that, even after -- 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Commissioner Baldwin, 14 would you see as the next step to sort of flesh this out and 15 then maybe do some cost estimating? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure can. 17 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: For build-outs, that 18 kind of thing? 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's part of the budget -- 20 that's part of the budget process, I think. 21 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's what I mean. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This whole thing will 23 be done in the budget process, of course, because there's 24 not monies available. But I think -- I think that we have 25 to -- we have to make some decisions in order to get the 48 1 D.A.'s program settled, you know, so that they will know in 2 their minds that it's going to work down there, and -- 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: We've approved a resolution 4 saying we're going to give them $7,200 worth of office 5 space. So -- 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It may be out in the 7 yard. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- we've committed ourselves 9 to giving them office space. Now, as it was pointed out in 10 the discussion, we don't know where or when. But, you know, 11 I think, by court order, that's the number one priority 12 right now. And, you know, the Treasurer certainly has made 13 known her desires, and as well as the County Attorney. 14 Linda, you had a comment? 15 MS. UECKER: Well, I just have maybe a minor 16 concern, I don't know. Right now, the plans are -- is to 17 barricade me -- I mean, once the District Court personnel, 18 then myself, moves over into the new facility, to barricade 19 me from where the renovation's going to be on this side, the 20 east side of the courtroom. My question or concern is -- is 21 if that doesn't work, or something happens and I have to, 22 you know, temporarily move out anyway, are these 23 facilities -- is this space going to be, you know, taken -- 24 no, I'm not anticipating that, but I'm just -- I'm just 25 saying, what if something happens that we have to move out 49 1 after all? 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, we hope that doesn't 3 happen. 4 MS. UECKER: I hope it doesn't, either. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: My understanding is that the 6 funding on the renovation contract has been revised so that 7 there is no funds for this. 8 MS. UECKER: Okay. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: But -- 10 MS. UECKER: Well, in that case -- 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: The redo of the -- the 12 basement space will not happen until after everything else 13 is done. 14 MS. UECKER: Okay. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: So, that space is not going 16 to be -- no one's going to be there until you are moved and 17 settled into your new quarters. 18 MS. UECKER: Okay. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: So, in the very unlikelihood 20 that you would have to relocate downstairs, the space should 21 still be there. If we find the money for it. 22 MS. UECKER: Well, you know, I'm just kind of 23 playing the devil's advocate here. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: I understand. 25 MS. UECKER: What if? What if? What if? 50 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- you know, 2 I don't have any real problem with any of the requests that 3 have been made down there, but I think that just because we 4 have space, we don't need to allocate it. We need to make 5 sure each of these departments actually needs the space. 6 We're leasing other facilities around this town that we 7 could move -- we could reduce costs by moving some of those 8 facilities, possibly, into that space. I think we need to 9 just be -- you know, to me, it's not just free space we have 10 to give away down there. It's -- especially if we can find 11 another -- some office rent that we can get rid of and 12 reduce expenditures, rather than increase expenditures. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: The only office space that 14 I'm aware of that would possibly move in here is the 15 Juvenile Probation Department. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Adult Probation Department, 18 as we talked about, but their volume of vehicular traffic is 19 such that we couldn't handle it here in the courthouse with 20 our existing parking situation. Now, the Juvenile Probation 21 Department doesn't have as many people visit them on a daily 22 basis as the Adult Probation Department does, and that might 23 be a possibility, and that actually might be a good economic 24 possibility, because that -- I believe the rent for the 25 Juvenile Probation Department is paid by the State. Is that 51 1 correct, Tommy? 2 MR. TOMLINSON: No. I -- 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Do you pay it? 4 MR. TOMLINSON: I think we pay it. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: I thought we might be able to 6 work something where we actually get paid for giving space 7 to the Juvenile Probation Department. But beyond that, I'm 8 not aware of any space we're currently leasing that would 9 come in here, because the Adult Probation Department's 10 traffic needs are such that unless we go out and buy or rent 11 a parking lot, we don't have the space for the cars. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree. I was thinking 13 of the Juvenile and/or Adult. I mean, it -- I just wanted 14 to keep it on the table that, you know, if we can cut 15 leasing somewhere, that would be my preference. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Commissioner Griffin, 17 to answer your question, though, of some time ago, we will 18 come up with some numbers to -- we'll kind of come up with a 19 little plan; you know, if you -- if you all think that -- 20 that the D.A. may be going down there and the -- the County 21 Treasurer may go down there, then we'll come up with some 22 ideas or come up with some fairly firm numbers of what would 23 it cost to do that, and go from there. Again, it's going to 24 be in the budget process. There's lots of time. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Okay. 52 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, I want to say that I 2 tend to agree with Commissioner Williams, that once we set a 3 priority as to who gets -- who should go down there, we 4 ought to consider having someone who is trained in this 5 business to look at the space planning, things like 6 restrooms, you know, the A.D.A.-compliant restrooms. Where 7 would they go? What is the traffic flow from the offices to 8 the restroom? Certainly, if you're going to put the D.A. 9 office down there, you're going to have to have public, 10 A.D.A.-compliant restrooms available, because they're 11 obviously going to be dealing with the public. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me, when we get to 13 that point, we might as well hire an architect. No reason 14 to hire a planner and not an architect. I mean -- 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, I don't disagree. 16 We're just kind of -- I'm kind of using the term 17 interchangeably. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we probably, by 19 law -- we have to have an architect do it, anyway. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Once we -- once we get to the 21 point where we know what the space requirements are, then we 22 can move forward with the planning. So -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I don't know. I 24 think I would disagree with all that's been said here. I 25 just don't see why we have to hire somebody to tell us that 53 1 we have to have A.D.A.-compliant when we all know that. And 2 the -- basically, on the blueprints, the restrooms are set 3 in place, drawn in there. I just don't get actually paying 4 somebody to tell us what we have. I don't get it. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me, it's -- my 6 thoughts were it's not paying them, really, for the design 7 concept as much as it is the liability and the permitting 8 with the City and fire exits and all that stuff that -- that 9 we have to get a seal on, I believe, anyway. So -- and I'm 10 just -- I don't want to hire someone just to do a plan for 11 us when we're going to have to go out and hire an architect 12 after that. We just need to get an architect to do the 13 whole thing, but the more we have done going into it, the 14 less we have to pay the architect. 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I think that's the 16 point, because the more work we can have done going into it, 17 then the less it's going to cost us to get that 18 architect's -- that work done. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Whoever we acquire 20 should be able to get -- give us a sealed document. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have taken up our 22 allotted two minutes. 23 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, Commissioner. 24 Thank you, Glenn. At this time, the Court will go into 25 recess and we -- 54 1 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Judge, could I 2 interject for just one second, just for a quick reminder, 3 since we have so many elected officials here, about our 4 workshop this afternoon at 2 o'clock on the purchasing 5 agent-slash-department, and that starts at 2 o'clock in this 6 room. I Just didn't want to miss the opportunity to let all 7 these elected officials and department heads know about it 8 again. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. The Court will -- 10 Commissioners Court will now go into recess and take up what 11 is posted as Item 2.6, which is a public hearing on the 12 ordering of a bond election in the proposed amount of 13 $120,000 for Lake Ingram Estates Road District. 14 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 10:05 a.m., and a public hearing 15 was held in open court, as follows:) 16 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioner Griffin, do you 18 want to make any introductory remarks before we obtain 19 comments from public? 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes. We are at that 21 step in the process where we, by law, have to have a public 22 hearing. Once the bond -- or once a road district is 23 formed, then once the -- the resident voters -- registered 24 voters of that district petition the Court to call a bond 25 election, then the law requires that we have a public 55 1 hearing on the calling of that bond election, and that's 2 what we're here for today. The law allows very great 3 flexibility at this hearing as a -- to discuss at this 4 hearing setting the precise amount of the bond to be elected 5 or to be called for in the election, to adjust any 6 boundaries of the district, if we think that's required, to 7 add more territory or subtract therefrom, and then sort of a 8 general discussion of how all of that works. And, that's 9 what we're here for today. 10 There's sort of a good news/bad news here. 11 We're very late in this process. And this, by the way, 12 again, is the first time we've done this, so -- so we'll be 13 better at it next time, I hope, and making sure everything 14 gets done at precisely the right time. But, we -- we got 15 the Road and Bridge Department involved rather late in the 16 process when we decided that, since the law required the 17 Court to administer the road district, and nobody else can 18 do that, that we all felt -- and I think the consensus of 19 the Court, at least, was -- was that our Road and Bridge 20 Department needed to be the administrators of the contracts 21 and all that sort of thing, that accomplished the work. So, 22 in doing that, then, we got Mr. Odom, and -- and Franklin 23 Johnston involved in putting together some cost estimates 24 and making sure that we had the right kind of roads 25 specified in that -- in that process. 56 1 The landowners themselves -- or residents 2 themselves had gone out very much earlier in the process and 3 gotten their own estimates for what this might cost, and it 4 ranged all the way from something less than $100,000 up to 5 about $309,000, I think, or something like that was the 6 highest. The good news is that the numbers that we now have 7 in, after analysis by the -- by the Road Department, is not 8 at the high end, but it's closer to the higher end than it 9 was to the $120,00 in the original rough estimate. The 10 numbers to put -- oh, and I -- and for the residents and 11 landowners' purposes, Connie Lane, as it turns out, has to 12 be what is called in the statutes a "local road," and that 13 requires a different basing. It's a different width road, 14 and it's generally more expensive than what the cul-de-sacs 15 in the Lake Ingram Estates area can be. Those can be 16 so-called "country lanes," which can be based with caliche. 17 They don't require crushed rock basing and so on. 18 So, the number that we have right now -- and 19 we may want to delay the calling of the election. I would 20 like to hear from the public on this. We may want to delay 21 that decision until we've had time to really scrub these 22 numbers and get the best possible estimates we can. But, to 23 put Connie Lane in as a -- as a local road, all the lights, 24 bells, and whistles that go with it, to have the cul-de-sacs 25 all done in local -- in country lane configuration, is going 57 1 to run about $265,000 and change. We would want to have in 2 the bond election some contingency in there, too, in case 3 you run into difficult areas to work at; there could be some 4 masking done, or whatever the case may be. That contingency 5 amount of funds, however, if not used, goes right back into 6 the bond sinking fund so that the residents are not paying 7 for that sinking fund as part of the tax -- or the 8 landowners. 9 So that we will be up to a number, doing 10 everything right by the book -- and I think, in this case, 11 the Court's going to insist that we do it right by the book 12 and not grant waivers. We might -- I tried to rationalize 13 doing that. If we did that in this case, we would have to 14 do it in the case of every road district, and so I think 15 we're probably going to insist on doing it by the book. So, 16 we're looking at somewhere around $295,000 with contingency, 17 with a -- with a 10 percent contingency as the total bond 18 issue authorized. Now, there are ways to lower that number. 19 We could choose, for example -- and, again, I'd like to hear 20 from the public on this. We could perhaps just do Connie 21 Lane, which gets everybody pretty good access, but it 22 doesn't improve the -- the cul-de-sacs. And I think -- I 23 know if I lived there, I would say let's go ahead and bite 24 the bullet and do it all. But, again, I'd like to hear from 25 the public on that. Is there anything, Franklin or Len, 58 1 either one, that I should add to that as sort of an interim 2 or notice on where we stand today? 3 MR. ODOM: No, sir. Did you find out, when 4 was the plat on that subdivision? 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: When was the platting? 6 MR. ODOM: Right. Was it prior to '84? 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah, it was. But, 8 again, both the statutes and our rules and regulations say 9 that -- that the road must be brought to the standard that 10 exists at the time the road is taken into the system, so 11 I -- I don't see how we can, in good conscience, want to 12 waive that. But, again, this is a discussion with the 13 public. I'd like to hear your ideas, but I have pretty well 14 covered the waterfront, Len. 15 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Let me also indicate 17 that a local road, which is what Connie Lane would be, 18 that's 20 feet of pavement, 4-foot shoulders, ditch for 19 drainage and all that sort of thing, and with 6 inches of 20 base -- of crushed rock, so that's a road that's going to 21 withstand the elements very, very well, and the traffic, 22 whatever it turns out to be. So, I would recommend that 23 that's the way we proceed. But if -- and particularly if 24 the -- if the landowners and residents there would like for 25 us to go out and figure, you know, exactly what that tax 59 1 impact is going to be, we could do that. We couldn't call 2 for the election, if we want to do that today, but we can do 3 that next session. And -- 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: At this time, I think it's 5 appropriate that we hear from the public. 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: Are there any members of the 8 public who would like to address the Court on the issue of 9 the bond election in what appears to be the proposed amount 10 of $295,000 for Lake Ingram Estates Road District? Come 11 forward and identify yourself, sir. 12 MR. McCLAIN: Morning, gentlemen. My name is 13 McClain, J. C. McClain. I am an absentee owner in Lake 14 Ingram Estates. And can you tell me, Commissioner Griffin, 15 I understand, since I am an absentee owner, that I have no 16 vote regarding the bond; is that correct? 17 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's correct. It 18 has -- you have to be a registered voter in the -- in that 19 district to be able to vote on the bond election. 20 MR. McCLAIN: Okay. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: In this state, unfortunately, 22 we can only be registered to vote one place. 23 MR. McCLAIN: Sure, I understand. I just 24 wanted to get clear on that. Do we know at the moment -- do 25 we have a list of the petitioners in this case? 60 1 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes, we do. 2 MR. McCLAIN: It's available at the Court 3 Clerk's office, presumably? 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes, it is. It was a 5 matter of record at our last meeting, and -- and I can get 6 you copies of it -- 7 MR. McCLAIN: Okay, thank you. 8 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- as well. 9 MR. McCLAIN: Okay. Regarding -- and I know 10 nothing about bonds or bond elections, or hardly know what a 11 treasury bond is, okay? But, anyway, what would be the -- 12 say, the term of the obligation of this bond? 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: It can go up to 30 14 years -- 15 MR. McCLAIN: Thirty years. 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- term of obligation, 17 and for as much as 25 percent of the total valuation, tax 18 valuation of the properties in that district. 19 MR. McCLAIN: Okay, sir. And -- okay. And you 20 mentioned -- it's my understanding, if I heard correctly, 21 that we're talking about a 20-foot width, which would be 22 Connie Lane. Caliche -- I mean, a proper base, but 23 caliche -- I mean, no asphalt or anything like that? 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Oh, no. No, it's a 25 double penetration on top of it. 61 1 MR. McCLAIN: Oh, on top of it? 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Six inches of crushed 3 rock base, and then on top of that, a double penetration 4 with -- the standard for our county roads. It would be just 5 like most of the county roads. 6 MR. McCLAIN: I misunderstood, okay. 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: The local roads that 8 you see. So, it will be a paved surface. 9 MR. McCLAIN: Okay. Thank you, sir. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Okay. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other member of the 12 public who'd like to address us? 13 MR. YOUNG: Your Honor, Commissioners, my name 14 is Butch Young. I'm a resident of Lake Ingram Estates. 15 Initially, we had considered having only Connie Lane 16 improved, and that certainly would be fine with me -- most 17 of us who live in the area. However, in -- in talking to 18 the Roads and Bridges, they -- they were of the feeling that 19 if this thing is done piecemeal, it can cause the County 20 considerable problems in the future. That is to say, you 21 would have Connie Lane, which would be a county road and in 22 excellent condition, and then you'd have these cul-de-sacs 23 that are in -- right now, in various stages of -- of 24 deterioration, which would deteriorate even farther, and 25 you'd have pressure from the public saying we need to get 62 1 those particular feeder roads improved. I was convinced, 2 myself, that at that time, that the way to go is to do the 3 whole subdivision at one time. In addition, Mr. Reichardt 4 and others who live -- who live just off of Connie Lane 5 would not be benefited at all if we only do Connie Lane, and 6 they have suffered with that -- their particular section of 7 road much longer than I have, although I live at the end of 8 it and they live closer to the beginning. As to what the -- 9 the Court should do, I don't know. I would -- I would like 10 to see all of it done at one time. It would certainly, to 11 me, be much to the benefit of all the residents; not just to 12 myself, and I think that would be a -- a very good route to 13 go. If there was a way that we could -- we could proceed 14 with this matter, however, more quickly, perhaps doing it in 15 phases. Phase I, Phase II, something like that, so that 16 Phase I can -- Connie Lane could be -- could be started 17 immediately, with the understanding that Phase II would come 18 along and complete the feeder roads at the end of that -- 19 that particular section. Perhaps go on with that bond 20 election for Phase I. I would be in favor of that. We 21 thank you for your -- your consideration of this, and thank 22 Commissioner Griffin for his great interest in this and his 23 help. Thank you. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, Mr. Young. 25 MR. REICHARDT: Commissioner, folks, I'm Virgil 63 1 Reichardt. I live on Ella Lane, which connects to Connie 2 Lane, and the county line is past my place; all real nice, 3 road is great up to Ella Lane. I've been there since 1983. 4 Mr. Williams has been there since 1984. Stehlings have been 5 here since 1984. And we have to, about every three years, 6 go in and fix it so we can come off of our road -- I mean 7 off of Connie to go to our place. I -- Mr. Baldwin here 8 should remember me. I was the first one built the big water 9 well up there, and I fixed it at the time that if people 10 wanted to buy two and a half acres of land -- which I didn't 11 own; I only owned that -- that they could get water, with 12 the County's approval and everything, which is the way it 13 was set up. 14 But, we get letters from the Kerrville 15 newspaper all the time asking us, why we can't take a paper 16 out there, and we get one at least once a month. Well, the 17 only reason why we get a garbage collector out there is 18 because the man picks up my garbage. Mr. Williams, he has a 19 business here and he takes his to the dump. And 20 Mr. Caseres, he does the same thing. But it's like you say, 21 the road going from my house down to Mr. Young's house is in 22 one terrible shape, and I know there's a whole lot of little 23 lanes just like ours. But, I've been here since '83, and I 24 pay my taxes as I go along. I come from Houston, and we've 25 had a lot of taxes. Not like -- not like we have them here. 64 1 Y'all haven't figured out everything y'all can do yet. 2 (Laughter.) 3 MR. REICHARDT: I appreciate it. Thank you. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, Mr. Reichardt. Is 5 there any other member of the public who'd like to address 6 the Court on the issue of the proposed bond election? 7 Morning, sir. 8 MR. GUMERT: Morning. I'm John Gumert. I'm a 9 resident out at Lake Ingram Estates, have been for six 10 years. I owned the property since about 1985. I have three 11 or four questions. I mentioned these to Commissioner 12 Griffin a couple weeks ago, 'cause -- you'll have to excuse 13 my voice; I've got a little thing. As I understand it, the 14 residents can only vote on the bond issue, which, as I 15 count, is around 16 or 17 people. Is that correct?? 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I think it's -- Butch, 17 help me about that. 18 MR. YOUNG: That's close. 19 MR. GUMERT: Yeah, good, 16 or 17 people. And 20 that this issue has to pass or fail on two-thirds majority. 21 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's correct. 22 MR. GUMERT: All right. I'm a little shocked 23 that we've doubled the amount from 120 to 295 already this 24 morning. I guess that's the way it is. How will the cost 25 of the bonds be assessed? You know, I talked to several 65 1 different parties and was informed that one assessment would 2 be based on acreage owned, and one assessment would be a 3 valuation of property. I would like to clarify that point. 4 How will this bond money be assessed against the property 5 owners? 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I think it can only be 7 on valuation, because there's no other means for the 8 Appraisal District to apply those -- to apply those taxes. 9 MR. GUMERT: Okay. So, those of us that own 10 homes on the pavement now, which has a higher assessed 11 value, will pay more proportionately than the people that 12 are back off the pavement who have a lesser assessed value? 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Unless they are -- 14 right, unless that bare land happens to be assessed at 15 something higher, you know. 16 MR. GUMERT: Well, it's not -- obviously, the 17 places with the homes that are on the pavement, you know, 18 are assessed much higher than the undeveloped properties 19 back up the hill. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's correct. 21 MR. GUMERT: So, the folks with houses on the 22 pavement will pay several times more than an unimproved 23 tract back up to the road. 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And what we -- what 25 you would expect to happen, and I've discussed this with 66 1 several developers, is that what you would expect to happen 2 is, because of the roads being there now, more people would 3 start to build. Those valuations will go up, and their 4 taxes would be adjusted, too, at the -- at the appraisal 5 cycle, which is what? Every two years, I think they shoot 6 to, you know, do that. So, it would not be a static amount, 7 is what I'm saying. It would be on valuation, but as other 8 properties come along and are valuated higher, those taxes 9 will go up too, eventually. 10 MR. GUMERT: Still, over the course of 30 11 years, it would be a long time to recoup. 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Right. 13 MR. GUMERT: Okay. The -- currently, the 14 rights-of-way out there are 50 feet; that was established in 15 the subdivision. Will Connie Lane upgrade fit in a 50-foot 16 right-of-way, or are you -- will you have to acquire extra 17 property on some corners? 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Help me with that, 19 Franklin, Len. 20 MR. ODOM: We can build the roads within a 21 50-foot right-of-way, providing there's nothing in the 22 right-of-way like telephone poles or something like that. 23 MR. GUMERT: Well, but here's the question. 24 On the plat, there's a 50-foot right-of-way dedicated to 25 road. Commissioner Griffin informed us today we're going to 67 1 upgrade Connie Lane to something greater than, perhaps, what 2 I was imagining. So, is it going to require purchasing of 3 additional right-of-way in some places? Everything will fit 4 in 50 feet? 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's right. You 6 have 20 feet of paved surface and 4 feet on each side of 7 shoulder. 8 MR. GUMERT: Beginning -- the subdivision was 9 platted in 1978 and in '79, and beginning at that point in 10 time, the developers began collecting a road maintenance 11 fee, which many of us paid for some years. Down the years, 12 the checks started coming back, and the road maintenance fee 13 just kind of fell into limbo. Where is that road 14 maintenance fee? I talked to Reggie Tuck, who is one of the 15 developers of record now. He told me about a year ago that 16 there was several thousand dollars in that fee. Should 17 you -- that not be tapped, also? 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: It will be, and I'm 19 happy to report we have located the funds. What's the 20 gentleman's name there? 21 MR. YOUNG: Braden, I think. 22 MR. GUMERT: Braden and Tuck are the developers. 23 Braden has it? 24 MR. YOUNG: $1,100. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: $1,313, I think, with 68 1 the interest. And they said whenever we want it, it's 2 there. 3 MR. GUMERT: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And, so, that can 5 certainly go to -- maybe that goes for signage or something 6 that -- that's probably more than enough to do that, with 7 very nicely done signs and -- but that money is available. 8 MR. GUMERT: Okay. I have a question about 9 Francis Lane. Francis Lane is a road that goes off of 10 Connie Lane to the southwest. It really goes nowhere. In 11 fact, after you exit Connie Lane, you run into locked gates, 12 a series of locked gates. I have tried to contact the 13 landowners that live up there, but they do -- they're all 14 absentee; they don't live here. I would propose vacating 15 Francis Lane and not making that a part of the district. 16 All of the lots are accessed from Connie Lane. Francis Lane 17 is kind of a back road. And, in fact, the people lock those 18 low gates up there. I believe if it became a county road, 19 obviously, they'd no longer lock those gates. And this 20 would eliminate a mile, approximately, of road which really 21 goes nowhere. 22 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: There is no plan -- in 23 the current estimate, there's no plan to do Francis Lane, 24 not as a part of this particular action. But, at a later 25 date, we can consider abandoning that, which is a separate 69 1 process. But there is no plan to improve Francis Lane at 2 all, based on inputs that we had had previously from you and 3 others. 4 MR. GUMERT: Okay. But then, just a few 5 minutes ago, I thought I heard the intent was to do the 6 whole subdivision at once. 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Not Francis Lane. 8 MR. GUMERT: Okay. The whole subdivision, 9 not Francis Lane. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: It's Connie Lane and 11 the cul-de-sacs. 12 MR. GUMERT: Cul-de-sacs. All right, fine. 13 But, certainly, I think those would be some things that I 14 have in mind. Then, I would certainly like to -- and I 15 realize you do not have a figure at this time, but would 16 certainly like to see a dollar figure that would be an 17 assessment for per $100,000, say, valuation. I think if the 18 Commission could come up with that kind of a number, it 19 would help us in the vote on this process later on. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes. 21 MR. GUMERT: Okay, thank you. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, sir. Is there any 23 other member of the public who'd like to address the Court 24 on the issue of a bond election for Lake Ingram Estates Road 25 District? Is there anyone else who'd like to address us on 70 1 the issue of the bond election? 2 (No response.) 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Seeing none, we will close 4 the public hearing and return to the special session of the 5 Commissioners Court. 6 (The public hearing was concluded at 10:30 a.m., and the regular Commissioners 7 Court meeting was reopened.) 8 - - - - - - - - - - 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Next item for consideration 10 is Item 2.7, which is to consider and discuss calling for a 11 bond election for Lake Ingram Estates Road District. 12 Commissioner Griffin, do you want to pursue that now, or do 13 you want to bring that back to us after you've had a chance 14 to regroup a little bit? 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Let me -- let me make 16 a suggestion to the -- to the landowners who are here, and 17 see if this makes sense to you. If we were to postpone this 18 item until the next scheduled meeting of the Court, which is 19 May the 8th, I believe it is, we could by then have a 20 complete rundown on all of the costs associated with this 21 bond election, a precise figure for what the assessment -- 22 tax assessment would be, based on valuation, and probably be 23 in a little bit better -- I would be in a much better 24 informed position of being able to recommend whether or not 25 we call that election. And, I can work with the landowners 71 1 between now and then to -- to get as much input on that 2 basis as we can, too. Let me just ask those who are in the 3 district who are here, and particularly you, Butch, what do 4 you think of that approach? That's -- we're going to 5 make -- we still can make the August 12th bond election day; 6 that's Uniform Election Day, and that's when the election 7 will occur, whether we called it today or whether we called 8 it next session. 9 MR. YOUNG: Okay. Under that, since it would 10 not affect the bond election, I would suggest that we go 11 ahead and -- and get a better idea of what's going on. 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So we bring everybody 13 along at the same pace. I would highly recommend that we do 14 that. 15 MR. YOUNG: I assume we would not have to have 16 another public hearing; that this constitutes the public 17 hearing? 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: This constitutes the 19 public hearing. This would just be for us to -- the Court 20 to delay our recommendation or our decision on whether or 21 not to call the bond election; all that is being delayed, 22 and that will just give us time to change some information 23 and have a little better idea. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I have one question, 25 Commissioner. I'm sure you've dealt with it, but in my 72 1 dealing with the Shadow Ridge potential of a road district 2 there, the cost to do the project, weighed against the total 3 value of the accumulated properties, the total number of 4 properties, can be an issue. But the escalating cost here, 5 is that an issue, or are you going to -- 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, that's the 7 reason I say that by -- by our next -- by our next meeting, 8 we can know what all of the costs associated with the bond 9 election are exactly, and then have a good idea of precisely 10 what that assessment -- what the mill rate, to use that 11 term, would be per hundred and all that sort of thing, so 12 that -- so that the voters can have a better idea of exactly 13 what it's going to cost them out of their pocket. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I understand. My -- 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That would include the 16 cost of the bond. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The issue of total 18 value on the debt, the 25 percent factor; that's what I was 19 getting at. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Oh, yeah, we've 21 already got the assessed values; we're within that. That's 22 not -- that's not an issue. Oh, I see what you're asking. 23 No, it could be -- the bond issue could be for considerably 24 more in this district. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: We'll then table this item 73 1 and bring it back at our May 8th meeting. At this time, 2 we'll take our morning recess. Let's reconvene at 20 3 minutes until 11:00. 4 (Recess taken from 10:31 a.m. to 10:40 a.m.) 5 - - - - - - - - - - 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: If we could reconvene now, 7 please? We'll now reconvene this special session of the 8 Kerr County Commissioners Court. Next item for 9 consideration is Item 2.10, consider and discuss drug-free 10 zone for all Center Point I.S.D. facilities. Commissioner 11 Williams? 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Close that door for 13 us, please. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioner Williams. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Thank you, Judge. 16 Whenever we can provide tools for law enforcement to aid in 17 the battle against drugs, particularly where it involves our 18 youth, I think we're -- in my view, we are obliged to do 19 that. I've had the opportunity to discuss with the 20 officials of the Center Point Independent School District 21 the idea of providing for drug-free zones around all of the 22 Center Point Independent School District properties. I've 23 worked with Mr. Sandlin of 911 with regard to the mapping 24 process, and Kerr County Engineer Franklin Johnston also was 25 involved in this mapping process. We have here the maps now 74 1 approved -- developed by Mr. Sandlin, which have been 2 approved by the Center Point Independent School District 3 Board of Trustees, and they agreed that this was the thing 4 to do. And, so what I'm asking the Court to do is approve 5 the establishment of drug-free zones for all Center Point 6 Independent School District campuses and facilities. 7 And, the maps are here; you're welcome to 8 inspect them for appropriateness. The Board of Trustees 9 effectively signed off on this proposition in January, at 10 its meeting on the 18th of January, where they agreed that 11 they'd like to have that done. This came about as a result 12 of bringing the topic to the attention of everybody in 13 Center Point at a Town Hall meeting I conducted prior to 14 that, and they have accepted it. They wish to do so, and so 15 I move for approval of establishment of drug-free zones 16 around all Center Point Independent School District 17 facilities. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 20 Williams, seconded by Commissioner Baldwin, that we approve 21 drug-free zones for all Center Point I.S.D. facilities. Any 22 questions or comments? Mr. Sandlin, do you have anything 23 you want to say at this time, sir? 24 MR. SANDLIN: I guess not. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: If I have an 75 1 opportunity to thank T., I want to, for helping with these 2 maps. We had to do it in a couple tries, but I appreciate 3 your efforts in that regard and working with faculty. 4 MR. SANDLIN: Does this require a resolution, 5 or just approval? 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Order approving. 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Great capability you 8 have; it really is good. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: If there's no further 10 comments or questions, all in favor, raise your right hand. 11 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Thank you. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: We have some people who are 17 waiting to address the Court on some issues, so I think 18 we'll skip to the -- let's see, Commissioner Griffin, you 19 have -- 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Actually -- 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- you had wanted to skip to 22 13 and 14? 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah, I think we can 24 go all the way to -- yeah, let's go ahead and do 13. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. We'll take up Item 76 1 2.13, which is consider and discuss preliminary plat for 2 Mountain Home Oaks, Section 2, Precinct 4. Commissioner 3 Griffin. 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Mr. Johnston? 5 MR. JOHNSTON: This is Phase II of their 6 existing subdivision. You note the roads are somewhat 7 larger than they were in Phase I. They're requesting to 8 make the new road, called Rough Hollow Creek Road, an 9 unpaved country lane and a private road, whereas the 10 existing road, Northwest Rough Creek Road, is a public, 11 county-maintained road. To me, this -- this possibly would 12 create a future problem similar to some other subdivisions 13 we have, having a subdivision with a partial public and a 14 partial private road combination. I'd recommend that this 15 be a paved country lane and county-maintained, like the 16 existing road. Other than that, there -- U.G.R.A. requested 17 some additional work on setting B.F.E.'s on the floodplain. 18 The lots in the floodplain are 4 through 8, and there would 19 be a -- a small drainage analysis needed for that, and some 20 monuments set with elevations. Other than that, that was 21 the only comment that I had. Rick Perry would like to 22 address the Court, I think, to make the owner's request. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Good. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Mr. Perry? 25 MR. PERRY: As Mr. Johnston has said, we've 77 1 requested that this be a -- or platted it preliminarily as 2 an unpaved country lane. One of the primary reasons for 3 this was the cost to the developer, and it would double the 4 cost for the paved road going back to these additional lots. 5 These lots are going to be larger tracts of land, possibly 6 more for recreational activity than they are for residential 7 use, although it's all platted for residential use. And, as 8 you'll notice, they're anywhere from 17 -- a little over 17 9 acres up to a little over 42 acres in size. Several of 10 these -- and this could change also, but several of the 11 landowners that are adjacent to this road are using the 12 paved, county-maintained roads, Northwest Rough Creek Road 13 and -- as their access to their property, so this could be a 14 -- a -- another additional driveway entrance for them coming 15 off of this, but they would not necessarily use it as their 16 primary access into their property. 17 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Rick, a question. 18 MR. PERRY: Mm-hmm? 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Would there be -- do 20 you foresee putting a gate at the intersection there where 21 Rough -- Northwest Rough Creek Road turns and where the 22 other road continues straight ahead? Will that be gated? 23 MR. PERRY: No, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: It would not be. 25 MR. PERRY: And my understanding -- 78 1 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Part of this may be in 2 appearance, because the -- North -- if this is not an 3 extension of Northwest Rough Creek Road, it continues -- it 4 bends back to the east. 5 MR. PERRY: That's correct. 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And this is actually 7 another road that's -- 8 MR. PERRY: It's a road it's feeding off of, 9 as Carpenter Road is -- Carpenter Road is. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Right. 11 MR. PERRY: Also, that is not a 12 county-maintained road. That's a private road also coming 13 back into the Carpenter Ranch. 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's an unpaved 15 country lane also? 16 MR. PERRY: That is -- it has paved -- 17 pavement on it. It has some old asphalt from -- 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: On it now? 19 MR. PERRY: -- when I-10 was -- right. But 20 my understanding on this is that, you know, because of 21 the -- the County standards have come up on the roads, on 22 the base of the roads being built, that due to the fact that 23 there is going to be very little traffic on this -- on this 24 road going back here, because of the regulations that we 25 have to have eight lots or less for an unpaved country lane, 79 1 these will not be cut in any smaller -- or restrictions 2 against cutting these. And, so, with the same base as 3 our -- our paved road, we felt that this would serve those 4 tracts. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Would -- well, what could 6 be done, I think, under -- the appearance of the plat is 7 that it kind of was one road. If you change the 8 intersection of Rough Hollow Creek in a little bit further 9 down, it would be clear that it was a separate road. More 10 than just by moving it slightly to the -- 11 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. Could you step 12 up here just a second? I think I can show you what I'm 13 saying a little easier. And, Franklin, you too. And, it's 14 the same thing Jonathan's getting at. The reason this could 15 lead to confusion and these people later on down here 16 saying, "Hey, why haven't you maintained my road and all?" 17 is if either -- you know, this road now -- exists now. If 18 you could bend this a little bit where this came in as a -- 19 as, obviously, an intersection to a -- off of Northwest 20 Rough Creek Road somehow, to end either -- like, either if 21 this road could be -- I know you've already got this road 22 in, so you probably don't want to do that, so you probably 23 can't chunk that, but -- 24 (Discussion off the record.) 25 MS. BANIK: One at a time, please. I'm sorry; 80 1 I'm having trouble hearing. 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Just a little bit of 3 bending here; I mean, something to indicate that this is the 4 main road and this is an intersection -- you know, this road 5 intersects it, rather than it just being -- appearing as 6 just a continuation where this -- do you see? 7 MR. PERRY: Well, the appearance of that -- I 8 will say when you get on the property, the appearance of 9 that is not as a continuation. I mean, there is more 10 definition out there than what you're looking at on this 11 plat. If you physically go on the property, it makes a 12 pretty definite turn there. In fact, this road is -- is 13 actually a little more curved. 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah, see, that's what 15 I was hoping. 16 MR. PERRY: And this -- it is a straight 17 90-degree angle there. And, so, this definition of this 18 road is -- is distinctive out there. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Have you seen this, 20 Franklin? 21 MR. JOHNSTON: Well, I've been out there 22 before and saw where they put that. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Would you pretty well 24 agree with that, that this is really -- appears as more of a 25 curve than it shows on the plat here? 81 1 MR. PERRY: I don't know if you've been out 2 since we completed that road. 3 MR. JOHNSTON: Not since you worked on it. 4 MR. PERRY: See, that -- 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I think on that basis, 6 I wouldn't have any problem making that an unpaved country 7 lane, because of the lot sizes and that sort of thing. But, 8 you see what our concern is. 9 MR. PERRY: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Because -- and, oh, if 11 it doesn't say it, that obviously has to say that this is 12 not a county-maintained road; you have to have that 13 disclaimer on there. 14 MR. PERRY: Right. 15 MR. JOHNSTON: That would be on the site, 16 but -- 17 MR. PERRY: And -- 18 MR. JOHNSTON: -- my concern was it would be 19 another Shadow Ridge, where you have a paved road going in, 20 a road going off to the side, which would be a future -- 21 MR. PERRY: We also have to address those 22 landowners and let them -- acknowledge that they're going to 23 be paying or have a privately-maintained road, so they know 24 that that is going to be at their expense. 25 MR. JOHNSTON: If they would consider a gate 82 1 or a cattle guard or something, that would really 2 differentiate -- that would make a difference; there 3 wouldn't be any question, it would be separate from a county 4 road. 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, I'll move for 6 approval of the preliminary plat, but I hope you have just 7 sensitized it to our concern here. And, we'll work with you 8 before the final comes in, just to make sure that everybody 9 feels right about it. 10 MR. PERRY: Okay. All right. 11 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Okay. I'll make that 12 motion. 13 MR. PERRY: You can keep this. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 16 Griffin, seconded by Commissioner Williams, that we approve 17 the preliminary plat of Mountain Home Oaks, Section 2, with 18 Rough Hollow Creek Road an unpaved country lane and private 19 lane, with the further understanding that the drainage plan 20 and that the concrete monument, as outlined by the County 21 Engineer, Franklin Johnston, be addressed on the preliminary 22 plat. Any further questions or comments? If not, all in 23 favor, raise your right hand. 24 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 83 1 (No response.) 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Let's take up Item 14, which 3 is consider the replat of Sites 15, 16, and 17 of J. L. 4 Nichols Subdivision, and consider variance for lot frontage 5 from 200 feet to 185 feet. Commissioner Griffin. 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And Mr. Johnston, 7 again. 8 MR. JOHNSTON: This is, obviously, an 9 existing plat. It faces both Lafayette Road and Highway 27. 10 The lot line between 16 and 17 runs parallel to Highway 27, 11 into 2-acre lots. They're proposing just to change that lot 12 line, rotate it 90 degrees so the -- I don't know which 13 one's which, but 16 and 17 are both -- actually, the 14 frontage will change from Lafayette Road to Highway 27. 15 And, by doing that, the lot on the right-hand side has 185 16 foot of frontage instead of 200 foot. This is -- actually, 17 the owner brought this to TexDOT. They granted a permit to 18 put a driveway in, which is already in, and I would 19 recommend granting a variance. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So moved. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: This is a preliminary replat? 22 Is that what this is? 23 MR. JOHNSTON: Actually, a preliminary 24 conference. They just want to have some assurance that they 25 could get a variance before proceeding. 84 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: So, there's -- is there any 2 action to be taken, other than obtaining a sense of the 3 Court? 4 MR. JOHNSTON: Sense of the Court that they 5 would grant a variance. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Jonathan, do you have any -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess, what's the 8 reason? I don't have a real problem, but what's the reason 9 for changing the access off of Lafayette Road to Highway 27? 10 MR. JOHNSTON: Harvey, do you want to address 11 that? 12 MR. BRINKMAN: Harvey Brinkman, 306 13 Riverhill, Kerrville, Kerr County. The reasoning is the 14 highway frontage is a lot more valuable, Jonathan, than just 15 that side entrance. Excuse me, Commissioner Letz. You 16 know, and Site 16, the -- what we were after, before we went 17 into the minor replat process of getting a surveyor to bring 18 all the correct documents to the Court, we wanted to be sure 19 that the Commissioners felt that this would be a reasonable 20 request for a variance. We're asking that, you know, we -- 21 that we have the 200 foot on Lafayette Road now, but what -- 22 the owner of the property, who is here, is Mr. Richard 23 Griggs. He put in a business on what we would call Site 17 24 and part of Site 16, on that corner of Lafayette Road and 25 Highway 27. His entrance into his property is off of 85 1 Lafayette Road, so it doesn't affect, you know, any -- did 2 not make any other cut into Junction Highway. 3 And, what he proposed was this, and the best 4 way -- best use of the property is to sell off the other 5 2-acre tract, where it would have the Highway 27 frontage. 6 And, TexDOT did -- did issue a permit, of which Mr. Griggs 7 put that road in or put the culverts in, to the 8 specifications of the State. And that's in, so there will 9 not be another cut, say, going into this -- where his 10 present business is. He'll still enter it off of Lafayette 11 Road, even though he has a Junction Highway frontage. And 12 this is wrong a little bit; it states that it's 15, 16, 17. 13 Fifteen is not at issue, Site 15 in the back. It's just 14 these two tracts up front, and we just wanted a feeling from 15 the Court that we were heading in the right direction. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's -- I don't have a 17 real problem with it; it's a TexDOT -- they're going to give 18 the variance. We're -- not a variance, a permit. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. 20 MR. JOHNSTON: I'll make one more comment, 21 just procedure on a minor replat. I think the sense of the 22 Court is they would like that to come to the Court for a 23 one-time approval? The way it's written up, actually, in 24 the rules right now, the Commissioner can sign off on it. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: For minor replats. 86 1 MR. JOHNSTON: On a minor replat. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Under the current rules, 3 the Commissioner can do a minor replat by himself. From my 4 interpretation of the law, that's probably not legal. The 5 intent is -- why we did it that way was to make it easier. 6 No reason to go -- or really delay the developers when 7 they're just changing a lot line. But, I think the 8 appropriate way would be for it to come to the Court one 9 time, as opposed to go to the Commissioner, 'cause the 10 Commissioner doesn't have authority to do an approval of a 11 plat. 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Makes sense. 13 MR. JOHNSTON: Still a one-time, and the 14 abbreviated fees? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it could come to 16 the Court at one time and just be handled, both 17 simultaneously. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Particularly where 19 there's a variance involved. 20 MR. BRINKMAN: We mentioned that there is a 21 central water system in place along Junction Highway, and 22 going on Lafayette Road, also. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. All right, thank you. 25 At this time, it's 11 o'clock in the morning. We will 87 1 recess -- once again recess the Commissioners Court meeting 2 and open a public hearing concerning the abandonment of a 3 platted road easement, Pecan Drive in Cypress Park 4 Subdivision, Volume 3, Page 44. 5 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 11:00 a.m., and a public hearing 6 was held in open court, as follows:) 7 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioner Letz, do you 9 want to make any introductory comments? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is the same, I 11 guess, preliminary plat we looked at last meeting. 12 Originally, we were going to go for final plat today, as 13 well, but we canceled that pending some -- trying to resolve 14 some septic issues. But, the abandonment is still on. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Is there any member of the 16 public who'd like to address the Commissioners Court on the 17 issue of the abandonment of Pecan Drive, a platted road 18 easement in Cypress Park Subdivision? 19 (No response.) 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Once again, is there any 21 member of the public who'd like to address the Court? 22 Seeing none, Mr. Johnston, do you have any comments? 23 MR. JOHNSTON: I only have one comment. 24 Pecan Drive goes beyond the boundaries of this -- the actual 25 plat in question, and it shows up on the side over there. 88 1 Is this an abandonment of the entire Pecan Drive outside the 2 boundaries of that preliminary plat? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 4 MR. JOHNSTON: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My understanding, it's 6 not built; the road doesn't exist. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: Without any public comment, we will close the public hearing and reopen the 8 Commissioners Court meeting. 9 (The public hearing was concluded at 11:02 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court 10 meeting was reopened.) 11 - - - - - - - - - - 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: The next item for 13 consideration is Item 16, which is consider and discuss 14 abandonment, discontinuing, and vacation of Pecan Drive in 15 Cypress Park Subdivision. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved, that we 17 abandon, discontinue, and vacate Pecan Drive. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 21 seconded by Commissioner Williams, that the Court approve 22 the abandonment, discontinuation, and vacation of Pecan 23 Drive in Cypress Park Subdivision, which is recorded in 24 accordance with Subdivision Volume 3, Page 44. Any further 25 discussion or comments? 89 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'd -- it just seems 2 like this is one of those deals, seems like it's been going 3 on for eight or ten years. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It has. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Golly. That's all. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: If there are no further 7 questions or comments, all in favor, raise your right hand. 8 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Let the record reflect that 12 the County Judge voted in favor of the abandonment, since 13 abandonment of a road requires unanimous vote of all the 14 Commissioners Court. All right. Let's take up Item 2.12, 15 which is consider and discuss changing the name of two 16 private, restricted roads in the North Fork River Bend Ranch 17 Subdivision. Commissioner Griffin. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes. I put this on 19 the agenda primarily to get the issue in front of us. 20 Again, we had talked to something about this in the past, 21 about a private, restricted road, where we're going to do a 22 name change, do we have to have a public hearing? And we 23 couldn't find anything that says -- in fact, Thea and -- 24 and -- Thea went through it; I went through it. I don't 25 know whether -- Ilse, I don't know whether you've had a 90 1 chance -- 2 MS. BAILEY: I haven't had a chance. 3 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: We can't find anything 4 that says a private, restricted road name change requires a 5 public hearing. And, can you help with that? And can we -- 6 if not, I -- I don't necessarily have to act on this today. 7 I mean, it's been sitting here festering for a number of 8 months, but we never have been able to really determine 9 whether or not a public hearing is required on that. It's a 10 name change. The residents want it, the homeowners' 11 association has -- has -- has asked for the change because 12 of confusion on other names in their private restricted road 13 network. They just want to change the names of these 14 private, restricted roads, and the question is, can they do 15 that? Obviously, they can do it, but do we have to have a 16 public hearing? I think we have done it; we've done public 17 hearings in the past, but I wanted to highlight this as an 18 issue to see whether we really need that. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: These are -- this is -- 20 the issue is a private, restricted road in a platted 21 subdivision. 22 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: In a platted 23 subdivision. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which is different than 25 another private, restricted road. You know, different from 91 1 the standpoint of it being in County records. But, to 2 answer your question, I don't know the answer to whether we 3 can require a public hearing or not. I wouldn't think -- 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Could we ask for -- 5 MS. BAILEY: Would you like me to try to work 6 out an opinion? 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- an opinion of that? 8 I'll put it on the next agenda. If we get an opinion that 9 says we don't require a public hearing, I'll put it on for a 10 public hearing, but I thought we might ought to -- 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, a public hearing has to 12 be ordered by the Court. 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's right, but 14 we'll do that next time, is what I'm saying. We can let 15 this go again. I just wanted to bring attention to it, that 16 we need to resolve whether or not, on private, restricted 17 roads and in a platted subdivision, we have to have a public 18 hearing. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Regardless of the 20 public hearing and what-all is said there, wouldn't it -- by 21 going through the correct channels, 911, et cetera, you 22 signing off on it, wouldn't it go into the permanent County 23 records? 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes. And 911, for 25 example, has already bought off on these particular 92 1 recommended name changes, but the question is -- is, you 2 know, do we have to have a public hearing before we can act? 3 We, the Commissioners Court. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand that. 5 Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: It's been a 7 confusing -- somewhat confusing issue, and I think we ought 8 to get a reading, and then we can make sure our new 9 Subdivision Rules and Regs indicate it, the proper 10 procedure. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I suspect we do, based on 12 my memory of what the rules and regs say, because it's a 13 change to a subdivision. 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: We couldn't find it 15 anywhere. We couldn't find that. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Send your request down to the 17 County Attorney's office, and we'll be guided by the people 18 who -- 19 MR. JOHNSTON: Unless you interpret that as 20 a -- if it's already a subdivision, by changing the names, 21 it's a revision of the plat. Revision of the plat 22 sometimes -- well, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Sometimes it does, 24 sometimes it doesn't. 25 MR. JOHNSTON: Might tie that in, get all 93 1 that lumped together. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I do have one question on 3 this issue, though, as to -- because I suspect we're going 4 to have more of these coming up. I know I have one pending 5 right now that's going to -- it's kind of working through. 6 Not in a subdivision, but it is a road change. My question 7 is, are we going to handle these case-by-case, or try to 8 block them up once a month or once or a quarter? 9 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: 911 -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On changing names of 11 roads, whether in a subdivision or not. I mean, 'cause it's 12 something that we can take a lot of time with if we start 13 doing them one by one, and it seems to be easier to try to 14 get them blocked out, you know, maybe quarterly or something 15 like that, or set a date that we're going to do it, like 16 June 15th and then August 15th -- you know, some -- set some 17 dates. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Great idea, if we can 19 do it. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That would depend on 21 whether we need a public hearing on them, right? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct, right. But if 23 they're -- I mean, the ones that are not in subdivisions, 24 you wouldn't have to -- definitely could be blocked. And 25 there's a lot of them. The ones I'm working on right now 94 1 are not in subdivisions; they're just roads that people want 2 names changed. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think it's easy to say that 4 the less time we can spend on this, the better off we are, 5 so I think it's fairly obvious that anything we can block 6 and take action on as a group is certainly preferable to 7 doing them one at a time. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How about if either Larry 9 or myself get together with T., and we'll set a couple of 10 dates that we can get it out to the rest of the Court, that 11 we're going to do name changes this court date. That way 12 we'll -- 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: You're going to have 14 those coming up because of the 911 activity, anyway, where 15 we have all those in one group. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where we know what our 17 timetable's going to be as we're going. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: On behalf of 911 activities, 19 Mr. Sandlin, do you have anything you'd like to report to 20 us? In about 37 seconds? 21 MR. SANDLIN: I'll be real brief. I just 22 want to get this in so people can know what's going on. Of 23 the 14,105 known mapped parcels in Kerr County, we, as of 24 Friday afternoon, have 2,849 of them numbered. Of those -- 25 that's about 20, 21 percent. I'm talking about out of the 95 1 county, not including Kerrville and Ingram; that's a 2 separate issue. And, of those 1,700 to 1,800, I haven't 3 finished going through them. I didn't get them finished 4 yesterday; I will today, will be ready for to us be making 5 contacts, either by mail, fax, letters, getting these 6 numbers out to these people and getting information back to 7 see if there's anything we need to correct. And, hopefully, 8 when my secretary gets back, we'll start those out Wednesday 9 morning. I'm not going to do all 1,700 of them at one time. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You mean you didn't work 11 all Easter Sunday, T.? 12 MR. SANDLIN: Yes, I did. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you. 14 MR. SANDLIN: Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Thank you, T., that's 16 great news. Fantastic. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Let's go back to Item Number 18 11, which is consider and discuss purchase of tables and 19 chairs from Hill Country District Junior Livestock Show 20 Association, as approved in the 1999-2000 budget. 21 Commissioner Williams? 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Commissioner Letz and 23 I have had discussions with these folks going back to last 24 year, several months back in last year, about the County 25 acquiring the tables and the chairs from the Hill Country -- 96 1 from the Junior District Livestock Show Association. There 2 is a letter in your packet dated November 13th to 3 Mr. Holekamp from Bob Reeves, the Secretary/Treasurer, 4 outlining some of the details. The money to do this was 5 appropriated by the Court under Exhibition Center in the 6 current budget, and which it's listed as a $5,000 7 contribution. I think it's probably high time that we did 8 it and acquired ownership of these, so that there's no 9 question in anybody's mind from whom they are renting, or -- 10 these particular tables and chairs lends a lot of confusion, 11 so would I move the approval of the acquisition of the 12 tables and chairs -- I don't have the exact numbers -- in 13 the amount of $5,000. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner 16 Williams, seconded by Commissioner Letz, that the Court 17 approve the acquisition of tables and chairs from Hill 18 Country District Junior Livestock Show Association for the 19 sum of $5,000, as approved in the current budget. Any 20 further discussion? If not, all in favor, raise your right 21 hand. 22 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 23 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 24 (No response.) 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Item 18, 97 1 which is consider and discuss approval of Bob Ditmar, newly 2 elected President of the Hill Country District Junior 3 Livestock Show Association, to that empty seat on the Hill 4 Country Youth Exhibition Center Master Planning Committee. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: As a result of our 6 kickoff sessions with Quorum Architects and the consulting 7 work that they're doing for the County, preparing a master 8 plan for our property there, it came to our attention in 9 that session that the Hill Country Junior District Livestock 10 Show Association was in the process of electing new 11 officers, and did so, and Ernie Kaiser is no longer the 12 president of the Association, and he was replaced by 13 Mr. Ditmar. I think it's up to the Court whether we add 14 Mr. Ditmar or replace Mr. Kaiser. I'm open to any 15 suggestion. I guess Commissioner Letz is, too, whether they 16 should both serve, or just replace one with the other. I 17 have no feel for it. We need to take an action to add 18 Mr. Ditmar, in any event. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My preference is to 20 leave -- I think Ernie brings a lot of expertise, and Bob is 21 going to be where we're going in the future, at least for 22 the next year, so my preference would be to add Bob Ditmar. 23 I so move. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I would move the 25 addition of Mr. Ditmar to the -- 98 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: You just need to second. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I second it. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 4 seconded by Commissioner Williams, that the Court approve 5 the addition of Bob Ditmar to the Hill Country Youth 6 Exhibition Center Master Planning Committee. Any further 7 discussion? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 8 (The motion was carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: It's also my assumption that 12 Mr. Ditmar will now become the official representative of 13 Hill Country District Junior Livestock Show Association, and 14 Mr. Kaiser will be -- 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: At large. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- an at-large member? 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: At this time, we'll go to 19 Item Number 17, which is consider and discuss presentation 20 by the County Auditor on the status of the current budget. 21 Following Mr. Tomlinson's presentation, it's my 22 understanding we do have a short Executive Session. 23 MS. BAILEY: Yes, sir. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: And then we'll be adjourned 25 after that until our workshop at 2 o'clock. While Tommy is 99 1 passing this stuff out, I'll just say that I asked Tommy to 2 come this morning, just give us a brief overview of how 3 we're performing on the budget versus the -- the actual 4 numbers we adopted. This is not specific to any department, 5 but simply an overview of the general picture of County 6 finances at six months into the current fiscal year. Tommy? 7 MR. TOMLINSON: Okay. I didn't get real 8 specific with these numbers, just for lack of time and -- 9 but I did break it down into two funds, and I -- I have 10 three general categories, one being the General Fund, which 11 is our operating fund. The other being the -- all funds 12 that fit into special revenues, and then Road and Bridge by 13 itself. 14 Through 3/31, as far as all the property 15 taxes are concerned, we've collected almost 90 percent of 16 our taxes, of our tax revenue. That's historically -- 17 looking back in prior years, that's normal. Last -- last 18 year from -- from April through -- through August, we 19 collected $360,000 in taxes from -- during that period. If 20 we do the same thing this fiscal year, we'll -- we'll almost 21 exactly meet budget for -- for the tax revenues for each 22 fund. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Excuse me, Tommy. 24 Which column is actual and which column is budget? 25 MR. TOMLINSON: The budget is the first 100 1 column, in round numbers. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 3 MR. TOMLINSON: Okay. The non-tax revenues 4 in the General Fund, you'll see that -- that you're -- we're 5 somewhat ahead of budget, as far as non-tax revenues. I 6 don't anticipate any change in that. I -- non-tax revenues 7 are -- do come in at a regular -- on a regular basis. 8 They're not seasonal like -- like taxes are, so you -- you 9 can pretty much count on -- on non-tax revenues coming in on 10 a regular basis. As far as expenditures for the General 11 Fund, in this calculation, I eliminated the -- the 12 expenditures for the construction of the building, because 13 I -- that would skew the -- the estimate of what our normal 14 expenditures would be for the -- for the year. So, I -- by 15 eliminating those expenditures, we're approximately 2 16 percent under -- under budget for the year, which is good. 17 Addressing special revenue funds, in special 18 revenue funds the non-tax revenues were somewhat behind, and 19 there's one reason for that. It's that at budget -- at 20 budget time, we had no clue as to the tobacco money we're 21 going to receive for -- for this fiscal year. It turns out 22 that -- that we're -- we'll probably receive, I guess, 23 $58,000, which is 10 -- approximately 10 percent of our 24 cost. That's the total cost that we applied -- that we 25 reported, which was almost $600,000. And, I think the 101 1 estimate is that we'll get 10 cents on the dollar. But, 2 when we -- when we budgeted that amount, we -- we budgeted 3 $210,000, which was an estimate based on how much money 4 they -- we knew they had, and -- and the ratios of -- that 5 we received the prior year. 6 So, we -- we guessed wrong on that one, but I 7 don't think it's enough to really -- to affect us a lot. If 8 you eliminate that $210,000 from the budget, then we're 75 9 percent collected on non-tax revenues. So, from that -- 10 from that aspect, we're -- you know, we're in good shape as 11 far as revenue collections. Non-tax revenues -- let me back 12 up. We're at 42 percent of budget on expenditures in 13 special revenue funds. That's largely because of -- of 14 Indigent Health Care is -- this year has remained down, as 15 well as the last year. So, if nothing really bad happens, 16 we're in good shape, as -- through -- through half a year on 17 Indigent Health Care. 18 The Road and Bridge non-tax revenues are at 19 58 percent, which is very good. We're -- that -- that 20 revenue line item seems to grow proportionately with -- with 21 increase in population, because of -- because it's tied to 22 taxes on -- on vehicles, license plates, and taxes on -- or 23 use taxes. So, as that -- as the population grows, that 24 total amount of revenue will continue to grow. Hopefully, 25 someday we can fund Road and Bridge totally from -- from tax 102 1 -- use taxes. That would be nice. Road and Bridge, as far 2 as expenditures, are, as you can see, at 47 percent. That 3 includes the regular operating account as well as special 4 projects. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: Does anyone have any 6 questions of the Auditor? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Looks good. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Tommy, would you agree that, 9 fiscally, we're in good shape for the midpoint in this -- 10 MR. TOMLINSON: I sure -- I think so. Sure 11 do. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- fiscal year? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Revenues are ahead, 14 expenditures are behind. 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Excellent. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you. I appreciate it. 17 MR. TOMLINSON: Thank you. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: At this time, the 19 Commissioners Court will go into Executive Session to 20 discuss pending and possible or threatened litigation with 21 the Assistant Kerr County Attorney. 22 (The open session was closed at 11:20 a.m., and an Executive Session was held, the 23 transcript of which is contained in a separate document.) 24 - - - - - - - - - - 25 103 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Commissioners Court having 2 concluded its Executive Session, let's now return to open 3 session. Any other matters that need to come before the 4 Court? If not, the Court stands adjourned. We remind y'all 5 that we have a workshop which will convene promptly at 6 2 o'clock on the issue of a purchasing department. 7 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:36 a.m.) 8 - - - - - - - - - - 9 10 11 12 13 STATE OF TEXAS | 14 COUNTY OF KERR | 15 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 16 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 17 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 18 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 19 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 27th day of April, 20 2000. 21 22 23 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 24 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 25 Certified Shorthand Reporter