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KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT
Special Session
Thursday, September 30, 2004
10:00 a.m.
Commissioners' Courtroom
Kerr County Courthouse
Kerrville, Texas
ADOPT F.Y. 2004-2005 TAX RATE
PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge
H.A."BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1
WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2
JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3
DAVE NICHOLSON, Commissioner Pct. 4

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On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 10:00 a.m., a special
meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in the
Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, Kerrville,
Texas, and the following proceedings were had in open court:
P R O C E E D I N G S
JUDGE TINLEY: The Court will call to order
and convene the Commissioners Court meeting posted for this
time and date, Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 10 a.m.
It's a minute or two after that now. The first item on the
agenda is to consider and discuss adoption of the proposed
Fiscal Year 2004-2005 Kerr County budget. I placed this
agenda item on the agenda conditionally on the chance that
it may not have been finally approved last Monday, and in
fact it was, so that item becomes moot. That being the
case, the next item is a timed item for 10:30, so we'll
stand in recess until 10:30.
(Recess taken from 10:07 a.m. to 10:30 a.m.)
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. We will reconvene, come
back to order. we went into recess a bit after 10 o'clock
this morning, since the first item had been already taken
care of. It's now a bit after 10:30. Next item on the
agenda is to -- and it's a timed item for 10:30; we're past
that now. Agenda item is to consider and discuss the
adoption of the proposed Fiscal Year 2004-2005 tax rate for
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Kerr County. The tax rate as published was a total rate of
.3721. Ms. Rector, do you think it would be appropriate for
me to read into the record each component of the tax rate,
or just the M & 0, Road and Bridge, and then the total rate?
Which do you --
MS. RECTOR: The M & O and Road and Bridge
and total rate. I don't think you need a breakdown.
JUDGE TINLEY: The -- the proposed rate in
the published rate, public notice was given, shows the
Maintenance and Operating rate of 34.12 cents per hundred.
Road and Bridge was -- Road and Bridge Operating was 3.09
cents per hundred, for a total County rate of 37.21 cents
per hundred.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not 37 point. It
would be point 37, would it not?
JUDGE TINLEY: Well, 37 -- 37.21 cents.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, I'm there.
JUDGE TINLEY: Per hundred. On -- on a
dollar, it would be .3721.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right.
JUDGE TINLEY: It's a matter of where you
place the decimal and r.ow you factor it.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move approval of the
tax rate as set for -- as stated by the County Judge.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second.
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JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for
adoption of the tax rate as just indicated into the record,
and as published. Here, again, we need a record vote; is
that correct, Ms. Rector?
MS. RECTOR: No.
JUDGE TINLEY: We do not need a record vote?
All in favor of the motion --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I make a comment?
JUDGE TINLEY: Yes, you may.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And this number, this
.3721, is exactly the same number as '03-'04.
JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you.
JUDGE TINLEY: Any further question or
discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising
your right hand.
(The motion carried by unanimous vote.)
JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign.
(No response.)
JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. We
don't have anything further on the agenda. I assume --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, could we go
back to our first agenda item this morning? I just want to
ask a few questions so I can clear it up. I'm not here to
fuss or fight or anything; I just want to clear up my
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thinking. I've been asked this question, and I think it
would be wiser to get it cleared up. And it's a simple
issue. It deals with your salary.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can you tell us -- or
tell me how we got to all these numbers? I've got Page 1
and I have a Page 11. The first one is 10-400, the elected
official's salary.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And we went from --
this year it's sitting at 40,665, and we're going to 47,303.
Help me understand that.
JUDGE TINLEY: Well --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just can't remember.
I'm not fussing or arguing or anything. I just cannot
remember.
JUDGE TINLEY: I can tell you the one you're
looking at for 47,000 is not correct; it's 43-something.
The 4,000 that was added back on Page 11 --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Uh-huh, right.
JUDGE TINLEY: By the way, I'm the one that
spotted that overage and brought it to the Auditor's
attention.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm sure you did.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 43 what? Well,
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nevermind.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We don't know.
JUDGE TINLEY: The -- the 5,889 -- well, that
we're looking at on Page 11 --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir?
JUDGE TINLEY: -- that is the 10,007. What
happened was the 4,000 got added back to the 5,716.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right.
JUDGE TINLEY: And then, with the -- with the
COLA added to that, it comes out to 10,007.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: All right?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where's 10,007?
JUDGE TINLEY: On Page 11.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right -- the first line?
I got 5,889.
JUDGE TINLEY: Well, there's been a -- what
you're looking at is a draft. The -- there have been -- the
budget we acted upon the other day is a newer draft than
this. That's the problem that you've got. Maybe -- but I
can tell you how those numbers got adjusted, okay?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 10 --
JUDGE TINLEY: The 4,000 -- where it was
5,716 --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir.
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JUDGE TINLEY: -- okay? The 4,000 got added
back to that, and then the 3 percent COLA was factored onto
that, and it comes out 10,007, I believe is the number.
Okay?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: The -- on Page 1.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, let's stay on 11
here.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Go down to the 426,
Judicial Supplement.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And what is that one?
JUDGE TINLEY: That is on the -- the
supplement that was adopted by the Commissioners Court back
in 1999, and for which there was no rollup. That's going to
be handled on a 1099 basis, if you'll recall.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir.
JUDGE TINLEY: Just like the J.P.'s.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right.
JUDGE TINLEY: And that amount is there
budgeted for that purpose.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: All right? Are we ready to
come back to Page 1?
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let me ask a question
while you're on that page.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: On the second line, it
says Mental Health.
JUDGE TINLEY: 19?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah 19,000. That's the
J.P.'s part?
JUDGE TINLEY: That's for the J.P.'s.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, that's for the
J.P.'s.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the supplement's for
the Judge, okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. Okay? Then, back on
Page 1, the -- the figure that you have there on -- on the
run that you're apparently looking at, the 47,303 --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir?
JUDGE TINLEY: That is incorrect.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: It is 43-something. I can
tell you how we got there. And that's -- we take the
current of 4,665. We factor the 3 percent COLA onto it.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm.
JUDGE TINLEY: And we added 1,300 to that.
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And whatever that figure is, that's the new figure, and it's
43-something.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1,300?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the salary
increase.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought it was 1,000.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: 1,000 plus 300.
JUDGE TINLEY: Plus three.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're going to be a
fat cat rolling in the dough.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- okay. That was
all the questions I have.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, that's fine. I
appreciate your explanation.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tommy, on --
JUDGE TINLEY: 47 is wrong.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- on Page 11, just so we
keep it straight, can we add, under Line 104, J.P. --
somewhere, J.P. Mental Health? And then the other one,
Judicial Supplement? That way we'll know one's for the
Judge and one's for the J.P.'s. Or it can be -- or they
could all be combined into one, in my opinion; make it
simpler.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's the same
supplement for the same service.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right.
MR. TOMLINSON: It's the same. Yeah, I can
add --
JUDGE TINLEY: Roll those categories
together.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd put them together,
then. I think it's cleaner, 'cause it's -- whoever does the
work is getting paid.
JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, that's the intention.
MR. TOMLINSON: I mean -- yeah, sure.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. That way, it's --
JUDGE TINLEY: Just a categorization issue.
Doesn't change anything. Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You've done well, and
I appreciate you taking the time to do that.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. No, I -- I spotted
that, and I'm the one that brought it to the Auditor's
attention, that something got shifted.
MR. TOMLINSON: The reason you're looking at
a different number, I didn't want to kill any more trees,
so -- so I printed one last budget that you passed.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right.
MR. TOMLINSON: All the new ones that are
coming out will be the right numbers.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The next time we vote
on the budget, we are officially adopting the budget?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: No.
MR. TOMLINSON: We've already done that.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What happened to
the --
JUDGE TINLEY: You didn't come to the party?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I was here. But I
think you're supposed to -- I -- we didn't do it right.
But, okay.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We've done -- we've
done the public hearing and adoption.
MR. TOMLINSON: We had the public hearing and
then adopted it.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I know that. I was
here.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You voted.
JUDGE TINLEY: Anything further? We'll stand
adjourned.
(Commissioners Court adjourned at 10:45 a.m.)
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STATE OF TEXAS ~
COUNTY OF KERR ~
The above and foregoing is a true and complete
transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as
County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County,
Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth.
DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 4th day of October,
2004.
JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk
BY. ___ _ _ ~__ _____ _
Kathy Bani~, Deputy County Clerk
Certified Shorthand Reporter
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ORDER N0.28859
ADOPT THE TAX RATE FOR KERB COUNTY
FY 2004/05
On this the 30t" day of September 2004, upon motion made by
Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Baldwin, the
Court unanimously approved by a vote of 4-0-0, to adopt the FY
2004/05 Tax Rate for Kerr County at a rate of .3721.