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KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT
Budget Workshop
Monday, August 28, 2006
4:00 p.m.
Commissioners' Courtroom
Kerr County Courthouse
Kerrville, Texas
PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge
H A."BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1
WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2
JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3
DAVE NICHOLSON, Commissioner Pct. 4
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I N D E X
August 28, 2006
--- Workshop to consider and review FY 2006-07
budget, budget priorities and policies; review
of department budgets; consideration of matters
having budgetary impact and other matters relating
to FY 2006-2007 budget
--- Adjourned
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was held in the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County
Courthouse, Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings
were had in open court:
P R O C E E D I N G S
(Judge Tinley was not present at the beginning of
the hearing.)
COMMISSIONER LETZ: We will now open a budget
workshop. The Judge is supposed to be back by now, but ...
What are we going to talk about on the budget?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, Mr. Chairman, glad you
asked. What I understand --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bow down, please.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. The way I understood it,
that there was -- there was some elected officials that maybe
or maybe not had their opportunity to talk about their
budgets, and I'm assuming that this is -- is the time that --
that they have that -- have the freedom to talk about their
budgets.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's fine. All right. Let's
start with that, and I'll be right back.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you want me to keep
talking?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Keep talking, just like the
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Judge told you to keep talking and he left.
(Commissioner Letz left the courtroom.)
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, it all started in a
corn patch.
MR. ALFORD: What year?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: '46, two years before I was
born. And I was born at a very early age. (Laughter.)
(Commissioner Letz returned to the courtroom.)
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, I've carried it as long
as I could.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And he wasn't very good at it.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Not at all.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Any elected officials want to
make comments on the most recent run of the budget?
MS. NEMEC: I would.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, let's adjourn.
MS. NEMEC: Okay. I received my budget Friday
afternoon, I believe it was. The recommended -- and I'd just
like to go down a few of the line items here.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let's all get to your budget.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Let me find it.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 13.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Page 13?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tab 13.
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COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I don't have tabs.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You're talking about this
new printout?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: On Page 31.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have the numbers backwards:
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 31.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Okay.
MS. NEMEC: First of all, on postage, that was cut
to 2,400. I really don't know how I will be able to do that.
I think we've already done a budget amendment for that. Is
that what that means, Tommy, on these adjustments here?
That's been a budget amendment; is that correct? I've already
had to do a $500 budget amendment from the $3,000 that I was
working with this year, so I will not be able to work with
that figure on postage.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You asked for 3,000?
MS. NEMEC: For 3,000 yes. And, like I said, I'm
already short 500 of that.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I won't speak for the Judge, but
I'm thinking that the reduction was due to -- 'cause of the
reduced scope in your office next year, that it wouldn't _
require as much. Do you think it will still take the same
amount, basically?
MS. NEMEC: I think it will, 'cause most of my
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postage is for accounts payable. I don't really have too much
to mail for payroll, as far as payroll goes.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is it 3,000?
MS. NEMEC: Let's try 3,000. Maybe the 500 will
make up for the COBRA letters and things like that that I've
been sending out.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay.
MS. NEMEC: The other is office supplies. I'm still
by law required to be the distribution for payroll, so I'll
still need to order the envelopes and the checks. The checks
will still need to be printed in my office and have my
signature on them.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: So that needs to stay at 3,600?
MS. NEMEC: Yes. And, again, I had to do a budget
amendment this year for $700 of my 3,600 that I was working
with last year. And, let's see. The other is my salary. I'm
showing the recommended amount is 27,850, and I just was
wondering who came up with that figure.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wasn't me.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Wasn't me. I think the -- my
feeling is that salary is too low. And my thought would be
that I would put that salary -- I think there's a reduction in
responsibilities. It should be lower, I think. You know, I'd
either put it at a commissioner's salary or $5,000 reduction,
something along those lines.
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MS. NEMEC: With that being said, I'd like to know
why it's being reduced. There is a court order that I have
here from 1992 where I was appointed county personnel officer.
I never received extra help for that, and I did not receive an
increase in pay for that. Then I have a court order in 1999
that I was appointed safety officer. Again, I took on those
duties as a service to this community. I never received an
increase in pay for that, and didn't receive any extra help to
do that either. And then in 2003, I have a court order where
I was appointed HIPAA officer; the same thing about that. I
did not receive an increase in pay, nor receive extra help to
perform those duties, so those were duties that I was
providing as a service. And, to me, the increases that I have
gotten along with all the other elected officials have been
for my constitutional duties. And I also manage -- I'm chief
custodian of finances for over a $20 million budget, and I
think that my salary should stay at the same as it's been
right along with the other elected officials.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: How much of Kerr County's
money do you manage?
MS. NEMEC: Well, just depending on what this budget
is going to be, but it's over $20 million.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Reserves in the current
budget? Taxes?
MS. NEMEC: Right.
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: What else?
MS. NEMEC: I don't know anybody that would --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: What other -- what other
constitutional responsibilities does the Treasurer have?
MS. NEMEC: Well, just receiving and disbursing all
the County's funds from all different departments and doing
state reports. And, you know, I'll still be in charge of the
distributing the paychecks and doing the 941 reports, paying
the retirement, all that. All -- anything that has to do with
money, I'm still going to be responsible for all that. The
only thing that y'all are taking away from me as far as
payroll is inputting the payroll, because by law I'm still
required to do everything else that comes after the input, and
then the human resource part of it. And also, I'd like to
remind this Court that when I gave y'all my notice, I also
informed the Court that I was willing to continue those duties
if I had the proper resources and personnel to continue them.
It was this Court's decision to take them out and perform them
elsewhere, and that is something the Court had been talking
about anyway. It's just that I needed to give you all a
deadline, because it was just dragging on and I did not know
what to do with the staff in my office. So, therefore, I'm
requesting that it stay at what the other elected officials --
County Clerk, District Clerk, and Tax Assessor -- has been all
this time.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: My recommendation would be to
put it at the same as the Commissioners, which is 43,257 on my
calculations. I think -- and it's just -- and, Barbara, I'm
not -- you know, I just look at it as -- I think most elected
officials, if not all, do other things beyond their
constitutional duties. I think that the -- certainly, over
time, what I'd do is greatly increase, I think, a lot of other
people in the courthouse. And I think that the workload and
amount of people directly supervised by the other -- you know,
District Clerk, County Clerk, and Tax Assessor is larger than
I have or larger than you're going to have. And I think it is
appropriate to keep those more, you know, in line.
MS. NEMEC: I'd like a record vote, please, for the.
record.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There won't be any voting in
here.
MS. NEMEC: Well, I'd like to know what the
consensus is from the other Commissioners. Are y'all in
agreement with that salary, or to leave it as what it is being
proposed?
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: My opinion is the
Commissioner's last recommendation makes good sense.
(Judge Tinley entered the courtroom.)
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, here comes the Judge.
This is the Judge's idea. Let's let him talk to the issue a
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're on the Treasurer's salary.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay.
commissioner, which I might -- in my calculations, is 43,257.
JUDGE TINLEY: My rationale, gentlemen, is that
based upon all available information to me, with the remaining
duties to be performed in that office, which is essentially
going to be receiving/disbursing funds only -- excuse me, I'm
out of breath from running down the hall -- that it would take
a reasonably competent person half time or slightly more than
half time -- half time to perform that function. That being
the case, what I've done is allowed for a full-time person,
and I achieve that by reducing the request from two part-time
employees to one, and then subtracting that salary, which was
a part-time salary last year, brought it forward with a COLA _
into this year -- into next year with a COLA, subtracted that
from what would otherwise be the proposed full-time salary of.
the Treasurer, to give a full-time employee. I think that's
adequate for that office.
MS. NEMEC: I didn't ask for a full-time employee.
JUDGE TINLEY: Pardon?
MS. NEMEC: I didn't ask for a full-time employee.
JUDGE TINLEY: I understand you didn't. You asked
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MS. NEMEC: Right.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. That's my rationale.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: There seems to be a major
difference here in viewpoint as to what -- what is the makeup
of the job. What constitutes the constitutional, day-to-day
responsibilities of the Treasurer?
JUDGE TINLEY: I have requested that information
from Ms. Nemec as recently as last week, or week before last.
I think you gentlemen received copies of those memos. I have
yet to receive from her --
MS. NEMEC: I wish you would have told me it was for.
budget purposes. As you know, we're shorthanded in there, and
doing payroll and human resources keeps me very busy in there..
You give me deadlines on everything else; you could have given
me a deadline for that if this is what you wanted it for. I
had no idea until Friday that my salary was being proposed at
27, 000.
JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Nemec, I have been asking, as
well as this Court has been asking for constitutional and
statutory duties of your office --
MS. NEMEC: They're in the Local Government Code.
JUDGE TINLEY: -- for some time. I have asked you
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MS. NEMEC: I have to prioritize in my office with
the short staff that we have right now.
JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I'm sorry about that.
MS. NEMEC: And the extra duties.
JUDGE TINLEY: I should not have to give you a
deadline. I have been asking for that information --
MS. NEMEC: Well, I'm --
JUDGE TINLEY: -- for a long period of time, as well
as a lot of other information I've been asking for.
MS. NEMEC: You've been getting that.
JUDGE TINLEY: I beg to differ. You --
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, 'cause she gets a stipend
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we need to get
into this. I mean, I think the -- you know, I have -- the
Judge has his opinion; I have my opinion. Nicholson said he
agrees with 43,257. You know, we need to put something in for
today. There's another budget workshop on Friday.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I have a base reluctance to
cut an elected official's salary. That's a slippery slope.
I'll use the District Clerk as an example. If tomorrow she
says she's doesn't want to do the Law Library, for reasons
that are best known to her, are we going to propose to cut her
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MS. NEMEC: That's the difference; she gets a
stipend for it. My salary has never been increased each time
these court orders went into effect -- three court orders went
into effect assigning me extra responsibilities. That was a
service I was being -- I was providing. My salary or my staff
was never increased.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- I guess -- and I
don't want to belabor this too much, but I do look at it -- I
think that there are -- the Commissioners are not the highest
paid elected officials by any means in the county, because we
don't directly supervise staff. I think that there's a -- an
amount of funds or responsibility that goes with a supervision
function, and I think that if you look at the overall pay
structure that this Court has established in the county, those
departments that -- where there is a lot more personnel
supervision, those people get paid more. On the -- talking
about elected officials -- or it's actually all departments,
but elected officials is what I'm really thinking about right
now. And I think that -- and I think that is a -- a fair way
to do it. It's just my personal feeling. I'm not trying to
ding you or anything. I just look at it in that light.
MS. NEMEC: I just want the decision to be one tha t
everybody makes in this court, not just one person. That's
why I'm asking.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I still don't think it's
clear what your constitutional duties are. You, a few moments
ago, made the statement that nothing really changes. As long
as it's dealing with the public money, you do it all.
MS. NEMEC: Exactly. The only thing that is going
to be done different as far as payroll is going to be the
input. Because the law prescribes that I distribute the
county funds.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: "Input" meaning someone sits
down at a computer --
MS. NEMEC: And input the hours. Input the payroll
~ changes.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Payroll preparation.
MS. NEMEC: Right.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that a -- is that a large
part of the whole process?
MS. NEMEC: Input is one part of the process.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is it a large part --
MS. NEMEC: No.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- in the process?
MS. NEMEC: No. Sometimes you have five changes,
sometimes you may have 20 in a payroll. I'll still have to do
everything else. When that distribution screen pops up on
payroll, there's still a whole day and a half of work that
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responsible for doing. Maybe two days. The input is a
four-hour job.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: How much of your time each
day do you spend managing Kerr County's funds that are
invested or that must be moved from place to place?
MS. NEMEC: We do that all day. That's all we do.
Money comes in all day; money gets distributed all day. It's
not just during accounts payable.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Invested, now?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: She's in charge of investing
money. Am I correct?
MS. NEMEC: That's correct.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You mean like stocks and
bonds, that kind of thing?
MS. NEMEC: Right now, with the sweep accounts that
we opened at the bank, there hasn't been any need for that,
because we're getting a good return on them. And, so, anytime
I invest money, I consult with the Assistant Auditor and agree
that so much can be invested from a certain fund and whatever,
and go from there.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But you do that all day long?
MS. NEMEC: No, not all day long, but as far as
handling money all day long, that's the -- that's the job
there.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right.
MS. NEMEC: You've got over a $20 million budget.
There's fines and fees that come in from every -- you know,
all the different departments. We get that. Probation
office, Environmental Health, Animal Control. All the money
that these departments collect eventually comes to me.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And that's your fiduciary --
MS. NEMEC: That is.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- constitutional
responsibility?
MS. NEMEC: Exactly. The receipt and disbursement
of those funds.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, I'll tell you again, I
have a base reluctance to cut any elected official's salary.
JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else, gentlemen? Thank you,
ma'am.
MS. NEMEC: No, sir, I need an amount to put in
there in my budget, so I need to know an amount.
JUDGE TINLEY: We cannot make any decisions here
today. This is a workshop that we're doing.
MS. NEMEC: So, when that will decision be made?
You have asked me to provide you the elected official's
salary, so at this time I cannot put anything on my salary.
Is that what you're saying?
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JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you --
MS. NEMEC: Because they're not in agreement with
the 27,000 that you put down, so I need to know.
JUDGE TINLEY: You give me, to the extent that you
can, what I asked for.
MS. NEMEC: I'm not putting my salary at 27,000 if
the other commissioners are not in agreement with that.
JUDGE TINLEY: To the extent that you can,
Ms. Nemec, give me what you can.
MS. NEMEC: Okay. Well, you're supposed to provide-
me in writing what my salary is, and you have not done that,
so I'll just put what I'm recommending if the other
Commissioners are not going to go with the other amount.
JUDGE TINLEY: You can put in whatever you like,
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MS. NEMEC: When will I have a chance to -- when
MS. NEMEC: And when that will be?
JUDGE TINLEY: I'm not certain at this point.
MS. NEMEC: Okay, thank you.
JUDGE TINLEY: Any other budget issues, gentlemen?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Gee, that was fun.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We've got a lot of library
decision.
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folks sitting out there.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: On the -- if I can find where it
is -- Tommy, where's the Trapper contract?
JUDGE TINLEY: County-Sponsored.
MR. TOMLINSON: County-Sponsored.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do you know what page that's on,
I about?
MR. TOMLINSON: Six -- I think 660 is the
department.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which one?
MR. TOMLINSON: 660 is the department number.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 660 is the --
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Page 52.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 52?
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: 52.
JUDGE TINLEY: Got it.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: The amount should be 31,4, I
believe. That included -- it's a -- 26,4 is the annual
salary, based on talking to that office, and I believe the
interlocal agreement is 5,000.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which -- are we talking
about Trapper?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Trapper.
JUDGE TINLEY: 26,4 total.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 26,4 plus 5 is 31,4.
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 31,4.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I believe that's it.
JUDGE TINLEY: So, we're about 1,200 short there.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right.
JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other issues?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah. I have --
MS. BOLIN: Yes. On our bond -- on our bonds, Paula
wasn't aware of the amount at the time that she did the
budget, and there is a zero in there for next year's. It's
going to be $1,000 or 1,500. I couldn't find her figures.
So, that needs to be added to 2006-2007.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bonds. What's it need to be?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What number, Jon?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Page 32.
MS. BOLIN: I'm thinking it's supposed to be 1,500.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 32.
MR. TOMLINSON: Diane, is that for current bond?
MS. BOLIN: No, this will be the one that starts
January 1.
MR. TOMLINSON: Okay.
MS. BOLIN: To the end of the term.
MR. TOMLINSON: Okay.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, it's under Bonds and
Insurance. It will be 1,500?
MS. BOLIN: Mm-hmm, yes.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What is the line? Oh, 206?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 206.
JUDGE TINLEY: 206, yeah.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Bonds and Insurance, yeah.
What do you think -- what's it supposed to be?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1,500.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, ma'am.
MS. BOLIN: You're welcome.
JUDGE TINLEY: You had a question, Commissioner
Williams?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. The Parks budget.
Is Leonard in the room? Leonard?
MR. ODOM: Yes.
JUDGE TINLEY: What page are you on?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can you tell us where you
are?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: On 31 -- on the left-hand
side, 31, Parks. Mine says Page 2, but that's got to be a
separate group of pages here.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: What fund?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 31.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 31-662-486. It says Page 2,
but I don't know how it could be Page 2.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, it's Fund 31.
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MR. TOMLINSON: The pages are numbered -- are
numbered by fund.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: By fund.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. Len, talking about
Flat Rock Lake Park --
MR. ODOM: Okay.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- and the bridge.
MR. ODOM: All right, sir.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Restoration of the bridge,
and the -- the construction of a ramp that leads from the park
floor to Riverside Drive.
MR. ODOM: Right.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: In this year's budget, we
have 25,000, which is not going to get spent before the
year's --
MR. ODOM: I doubt it, before our budget year is
over with. It'll be pushing it.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And what we know about the
reconstruction of the bridge is that there are two phases,
both concrete work phases.
MR. ODOM: Right.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: One of them's going to cost
us -- the initial phase is going to cost us about 30 to 32.
That's the drilling of the piers, correct?
MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. I've got a quote of 24, but
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the contractor's talking more money now. So --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: According to the
gentleman -- the contractor that --
MR. ODOM: Mr. Butler talked to.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- Mr. Butler solicited that
quote, he's saying it's going to be 30 to 32 to drill those
piers and do that work.
MR. ODOM: Okay.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Then the abutment work on
top of those piers --
MR. ODOM: Is another 30, I think.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- is another 30.
MR. ODOM: And then we were talking about at least
another 3,000, 3,500 for rental of an excavator.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: For what?
MR. ODOM: Excavator, or either a crane.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: All right. So, what we're
looking at, we either need to roll the 25 forward into next
year's budget. That would be my recommendation. And then,
even that's not going to -- that would be 65, and that's not
going to get it done, is it? Plus the ramp?
MR. ODOM: Plus the ramp. But I -- my intent is to
try to build that within --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Within your allocated funds?
MR. ODOM: That's right.
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So, if we rolled it forward
at 65 and made it a total of 70, would that get the job done?
MR. ODOM: That will get me pretty close, I think.
I think so.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. If the Court is with
me.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 65 as opposed to 40?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We'll lose our -- let the 25
drift into surplus, but we got to go 65 or 70 on the bottom
number there to get the bridge restored.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 65 or 70. Which one?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 70. You're comfortable with
I 70?
MR. ODOM: I'm comfortable with 70.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Based on what the concrete
people are telling you?
MR. ODOM: Based upon my experience with concrete.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So, that needs to be --
needs to change in order to restore that bridge.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: So -- sorry -- 70, so Parks
needs to go to 70?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 70.
MR. ODOM: And you're rolling that 25 that I don't
have this year into --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That 25 will go back into
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surplus.
MR. ODOM: Right.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: If we change the next year's
number to 70, that 25 will go back in surplus.
MR. ODOM: Right.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right?
MR. TOMLINSON: Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 70. 70 will do it, Judge.
That gets the bridge restored over Third Creek.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are we done on Parks?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Go to Page 54, Hill Country
Youth Exhibit.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which one?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Page 54.
MR. ODOM: Are y'all through with me?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: For the moment. Don't leave.
JUDGE TINLEY: Don't go too far.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner Williams and I have
visited on this a little bit, and there is a -- we have talked
about probably the need-slash-desire, and also it would assist
the River Star to move the outdoor arena. And we were
thinking -- I was thinking that -- and I don't want to fund
that totally, but I think if we put some seed money in there,
that would give us -- allow us to try to go out for grants,
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~I~ try to get some additional funds, whether it come -- who knows
what source. But I think the estimates that I've heard to
redo that outdoor arena is about 150,000, and moving it. And
just a ballpark number, I'd like to put something like in the
neighborhood of maybe 25,000, 30,000 here as seed money. That
would only get spent if we can find grants, and that would be
used as a match of some sort. Don't know if it's really
feasible or really if we'll get it done, but the other option
would be to leave nothing in here, and then go out and do it
later. But then you have to do a budget amendment, something
of that nature. We don't have anything really planned under
the Major Repairs category, which I don't know if it would go
into that or Capital Improvements, either one. But --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Two questions. Why do you
want to move it, and where are you going to move it to?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It would move to the -- one of
the master plans that we put together a long time ago thought
a better location for that is kind of in the back corner
towards the east, along Riverside Drive.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: By the horse barn.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Near the horse barn. So, the
horse barn would actually be able to be used in conjunction
with it. The reason is, one, the River Star is, I think,
looking at possibly joining or -- you know, I don't want to
get the cart before the horse here, but they're looking at --
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coming to us with a proposal to build an outdoor facility --
or I mean indoor facility, and that would be a good location
for it. So, it does two things. It fulfills a need. If that
does happen, that would be funded not by the County at all.
And it's an indoor banquet-type facility they're looking at
possibly proposing.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, River Star would be
expanding out into the --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Either -- I don't know. Depends
whether they expand or you build it on County property and
they operate it. I mean, there's different functions there as
to how that would happen.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Also, they need to -- they
see a need to cut the road through from the entrance, the
western entrance to the property straight through to Riverside
Drive.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- I think River
Star has a desire to move the arena as well. They may be
willing to help pay for it from the standpoint I think it's --
in their mind, it doesn't fit real well where it is next to
their facility. And I look at it as, you know, if -- it's not
a great location for it. It's not -- it's been in need of
repair off and on for as long as I've been on the Court. I
mean, there's been some repairs done to it, but if we could
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figure out a way to get it moved, get a better outdoor arena
which is really heavily utilized built, and not cost the
taxpayers much money, I would be in favor of it. It would be
the only condition I'd be in favor of in moving it.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And part of that cost -- I
saw the eyebrows go up when the Commissioner said that cost,
but part of that cost has to do with probably reconstructing
all those chutes and stuff. That's in pretty bad repair.
What exists is in a pretty bad state of repair. If you move
it, you start again.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, it's -- that thing
probably is better off over near the horse stalls. Now, I
noticed this morning when we were talking about the rental of
the Union Church, I noticed on there that the County was
exempt from those charges. Is it the same with River Star?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: They haven't even proposed a
facility yet.
facility?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: In terms of our using their
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think -- I think the
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: Anyway, it's just an item --
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it's just kind of, like, really more of a place-keeper in the
budget. You know, I don't -- I have no idea if we can raise
funds from outside sources to do that, but I think that it's
something that would be interesting to pursue. And, like I
said, it can be done as a budget amendment or -- certainly, I
don't think it would ever qualify as an emergency to expend
the budget, or -- so I think if it's something that may get
done, if we get the grants to do it, it's good to have that in
the budget.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, put some in there and use
it as seed money to go get grants, and if you can't get the
grants, the money just rolls over?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And the design,
location, everything would still come back to the Court. I
mean, it's not approving anything. It's just putting money in
the budget for that purpose, and then that can be explored.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Where do you see that, under
Major Repairs?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think possibly Capital Outlay.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Capital outlay? Okay. How
much?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 25,000.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't know. Would that be
a capital outlay, Tommy?
JUDGE TINLEY: Sure.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: To move a bucking chute?
MR. TOMLINSON: I think it would be a major
improvement, yes.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the way I see it, yes.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Major improvement.
MR. TOMLINSON: Where -- I mean, if it's for
Contingency, that's where I'd put it.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Under Major Repairs?
MR. TOMLINSON: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Whatever you want.
MR. TOMLINSON: Or Contingency item or something.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think if it's in Contingency,
it's going to get used for something else. I'd rather mark it
as a capital outlay item or major repair item or a -- because
if it gets into some other item, it'll disappear. Where I
think if we put it as an item in a category like that, which I
think it qualifies --
MR. TOMLINSON: Why don't you put it in -- in
Permanent Improvements fund?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. It can go in Permanent
Improvements. I didn't know we had one. Where's that?
MR. TOMLINSON: It's the fund that we use for --
like, for the Ag Barn when we put the roof on it.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. It's comparable to that,
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MR. TOMLINSON: We put the money in there and paid
for it out of --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I don't see that line. Did
you take that line out of there?
MR. TOMLINSON: No, it's Fund 70.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's Fund 70?
MR. TOMLINSON: Yes.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tommy, in that budget, are
the -- are those items listed like you would a capital outlay
type thing?
MR. TOMLINSON: Yes.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
MR. TOMLINSON: They're listed by name.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Okay, good. That's
where it goes.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. It's way in the
back, Fund 70.
MR. TOMLINSON: At the very back of the --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How much?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 25,000. And this also may get
tied in with -- I've been -- Roy Walston's talked to me
several times about the need for pens also. The kids -- the
4-H program and all possibly may get tied in with that at some
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: What page?
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Page 44. We've seen the
government compared to other counties our size, and our per
capita spending is larger than any of our comparable counties,
and that our payroll is larger and that we have more people on
our payroll than other counties. Now, we also know that of
the 52 or so other counties that have juvenile detention
centers, that all but a couple of those run Juvenile Probation
and the Juvenile Detention Center with one position. Those
two positions are combined. We -- we continually lean on our
elected officials and department heads to be careful about
productivity, to find ways to combine jobs, to get more done
with -- with the same amount of people or fewer, but then we
appear to be willing to put two high-priced people in one job.
I propose that -- just as the recommendation that was made a
few months ago, that we eliminate the Juvenile Chief Probation
Officer and assign that work to the director of the Juvenile
Detention Facility.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't have authority to do
that, do we?
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where the Juvenile Detention Facility is under is the Juvenile
Probation Department. How many of those jurisdictions has the
Chief Juvenile Probation Officer as also the Facility
I Administrator?
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I believe it -- I'm relying
on my memory, Judge -- I believe it's 50 of the 52.
JUDGE TINLEY: I believe it's zero.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: There's a big difference
Judge?
JUDGE TINLEY: The difference is, for a facility
administrator, you've got to have somebody on-site full-time,
and that doesn't allow you to utilize the chief probation
officer. In some instances, you've got someone who's in
charge of a juvenile probation department who also hires a
facility administrator, which is a little different from what
we have. The facility is directly under the Court and not
under the Juvenile Probation Department, so instead of the
Juvenile Probation Department hiring the facility
administrator, that's done by the Court.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: This Court.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah. Well, that may be a
little bit like the definition of "is." My information is
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that one person does both of these jobs, and that they don't
And the question I think Commissioner Williams had about our
authority, we don't have any authority to hire a Chief
Probation Officer. That's the -- that's the duty of the
Juvenile Probation Board. But we do have a statutory duty and
authority not to fund that job if it's not needed. And what
we're talking about here is, with salary, taxes, retirement,
health insurance and everything, probably around $90,000 a
year.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is any -- are those funds in the
budget all Kerr County funds, or are they partially state
funds? Under the salary line.
MR. TOMLINSON: They're all state funds -- I mean
they're all county funds.
JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, that's all county funds. Sure.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, that was the position
we raised here a few months ago, and it didn't fly up the
elevator shaft to the second floor. I think it's a heck of a
valid point.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Commissioner, that's --
that was -- we're able to do that because the position was
already funded, so they had the capability of going ahead and
replacing -- hiring a replacement. If we don't fund the
position, then it's a different playing field.
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's the distinction, in
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: The question is, in my
mind, are we going to play by the same rules that we ask all
the rest of these people the play by? To be -- to not fill
jobs that don't need to be filled? That's all I've got on
that.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think my -- before we leave
that, the question I have is, it appears that both of them --
or the people in those jobs are working all the time. They're
both working, and so a certain amount of work isn't going to
get done somewhere. And I think it -- I mean, in my mind, it
appears -- I'm not intimately involved with the Juvenile
Probation Department and their workload, you know, what they
do, but I presume they're busy. I know that Kevin stays
fairly busy out in his position. And I share some of your
sentiments that we can combine them into -- I don't know that
you can eliminate one entire job without losing some
productivity somewhere, though do I think you could combine
them and maybe add a second -- you know, get rid of an
administrator and add another officer, possibly.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Probably the best person in
the best position to -- to address those issues is -- to
answer that question is the person that's had both of those
jobs. And I do recall that when Commissioner Williams asked
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positive. "Yes, I do can do both of them."
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, back to what you said,
Judge, you talked about the need -- or the law requiring the ,
facility administrator to be on-site. I understand that. But
does the law preclude that person from taking the probation
work with them to that site?
JUDGE TINLEY: I think if you'll check,
Commissioner, you'll find that there are a lot of instances
where you have the Chief Juvenile Probation Officer, who is
also in charge of the Juvenile Detention Facility -- and
that's probably the vast majority of the structures here in
the state of Texas. You will find that in addition to that
Chief Juvenile Probation Officer, there is a Facility
Administrator that is a full-time employee that operates and
administers and has ultimate control over the facility.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I understand. But is there
anything in the law that prohibits a sitting facility
administrator, qualified with all the tickets, from assuming
the responsibilities of the probation officer and moving them
to his office at the facility?
JUDGE TINLEY: I don't know that there's any
specific prohibition. You can't get both jobs done by the
same individual, though. That's my opinion.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay.
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SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Is there a difference, such as.
from my position with my jail administrator?
JUDGE TINLEY: I don't know. That's totally
different regulations, Rusty.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Major salary difference in
paying the two big salaries.
JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, the regulations are a lot more
voluminous, I think, and probably more tightly drawn on the
juvenile side. I realize you -- that's not to say you don't
have a bunch of them over there. You do. Tommy?
MR. TOMLINSON: Yeah. There could be -- I'm not for
sure about this, but there could be some T.J.P.C. regulations
that require a county to have a chief probation officer in
order to receive state funds.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: The County would have a
chief probation officer. He'd just have two hats.
MR. TOMLINSON: Because I know there's -- there's --
there is specific rules as to the amount of funding that a
county funds -- that's county money that the County funds the
Juvenile Probation function. If -- if we -- if a county
decides to lower the amount of funding that it -- that it
provides for the function from a base year, then we're -- if
the amount we spend in '06-'07 is less than we expend, for
example, for '02-'03, then -- then we're ineligible for state
funding, so you have to be really careful about the level of
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the county funding for that function.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you're through with that,
can I mention one item on the jail budget? That's just a
concern, and it may be taken care of. Medical.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What page, Rusty?
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I really don't know in y'all's
-- I'm sorry, I don't have your copy.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tommy, do you know?
MR. TOMLINSON: It's the same as --
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Mine says -- the printout you
I ran?
MR. TOMLINSON: It's the same as what they have.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Page 34.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Page what?
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Mine says Page 34. It could
say 35 if it was the last printout, Tommy.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Jail. This is more of a
question, maybe directed more to Tommy than anything else.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 35.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 35. Line Item 512-333,
Prisoner Medical. You can see I had requested 80,000. It's
been changed to 20. I don't have a problem with that. It --
what we're paying is -- going to be paying is just that jail
doctor, 'cause remember, he asked for an increase of 1,500 a
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month, is what his total would be, which would be about 16,000
of that. I'm just concerned over my prescription meds, the
bills in my prescription meds. If this new deal takes care of
all that or it all goes into -- under Indigent Health,
especially prescriptions, okay, that may be all right. But as
I mentioned to some of y'all, the prescription deals went up
from last month, month before last, from $6,000 a month to
this month -- the one I got the other day was 11,000, and
that's 'cause the State's zinging us over M.H.M.R. patients
and M.H.M.R. prescriptions. And I don't know if those are
going to work in under the indigency with the state minimum,
because, as I said, I got one inmate that had one 30-day
supply of prescription medicine last month that was $997, and
I don't have any choices in that. Medical is out of control.
JUDGE TINLEY: The substantial reduction was done on
the basis that the Indigent Health Care program -- that this
was all going to be rolled over to the Indigent Health Care
program. That was my understanding.
MR. TOMLINSON: I think the Sheriff may have a
point, because there may -- there could be some procedures
in -- on meds that won't roll over into that program. So,
I -- I think he has -- probably has a concern. I think it's
legitimate, that that might not --
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It just --
MR. TOMLINSON: -- that might not be enough.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: $900 for one prescription?
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: $997.50 for one 30-day supply
of a medicine that he probably won't touch when he gets out of
jail.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that prisoner pretty
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Nope.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: He is now.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, that's only one of that
prisoner's medications. He has another medication that's
400-something.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that's -- right now it's
at 20,000, so you think -- again, move it up to 40,000? With
a big unknown there?
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I put it at 80, you know,
before all this started. What has happened to us is, state --
M.H.M.R. has said -- they used to pay for the prescriptions
for any M.H.M.R. patient or person of theirs that was
incarcerated, all right? And now they're incarcerating -- you
know, half of them are getting incarcerated 'cause there's no
state mental hospitals available for them. And the State came
back and also said in the same breath that, "We're not paying-
any more for their medications if they're in jail." So, in
the last few months -- and in one month it goes up $6,000. My
prescription medication alone was $11,000.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: I understand that, but didn't --
MR. TOMLINSON: No, we haven't done that.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: We haven't? Don't we need to do
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: See, I haven't seen the
procedures, you know, how this new part's going to affect --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: If we declare them as indigent,
I don't see how the State can then, you know, --
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't see --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- deny it. But let's put --
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you look at the law, there's
also a deal in there that -- that mental -- mental patients
are not supposed to be incarcerated in county jails.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah, but that got changed.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The law didn't, but they
changed what's happened because of reality.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do we leave it the same, or
change it?
MR. TOMLINSON: I don't know.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's just my concern.
JUDGE TINLEY: You ever thought about loading them
up and maybe turning them loose there at the front gate of
Kerrville State Hospital?
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SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Taking them to the gate?
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Oh, I'd love to, but I'm afraid
it won't work.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: County Attorney?
MR. EMERSON: I'm just waiting to jump on the podium
when y'all are through with him.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought you had a solution to
I this.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's put a number in here.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 30,000?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 30.
SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Remember, 16 goes for the
doctor.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What's your number, Rex?
MR. EMERSON: I don't know, Buster, 'cause I left it
with my juvenile files.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: On Page 27.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We've been adding more
money to the budget. So far --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: 75,000 so far.
JUDGE TINLEY: Is that what your total is?
MR. EMERSON: I have one request on the Assistant's
line item.
(Low-voice discussion off the record.)
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MR. EMERSON: There was a miscalculation.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Pardon?
MR. EMERSON: I think it's the fourth line down,
where it says Assistants.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: County Attorney, Page 27.
MR. EMERSON: Total amount showing on that line item
is 59,000-something. It needs to be 62,000 even.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where are you?
JUDGE TINLEY: Assistants Salaries.
MR. EMERSON: Yes, sir.
JUDGE TINLEY: It's at 62.
MR. EMERSON: Okay. Well, it didn't show that on
mine. So, it's --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 62.
MR. EMERSON: Thank you.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Want to lower it?
MR. EMERSON: No, sir.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, what's --
JUDGE TINLEY: Miguel's seeking to be recognized.
He may want to check and see what the disposition level is up
here first.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: He might want to put his
thumb up in the air and see the wind direction.
JUDGE TINLEY: You can't tell us what page you're on
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MR. ARREOLA: Yes, sir. Page 50.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 50?
MR. ARREOLA: 50, if it's the same one I have. I'm
not sure that's what I have.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Where are you? Oh, Page 50.
MR. ARREOLA: Okay. I just want to make sure -- I
did my presentation. I told you about the vehicle that is now
not running very well. It's going to require some money to
bring it up to 100 percent. And I requested to trade it in
for a newer vehicle, and that was on Capital Outlay, 570,
$6,000. But it got zero on my recommended. I want to make .
sure it's not going to get approved.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's the way it looks now.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think it needs to go back
in.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 6,000? What are you going
to get for 6,000?
MR. ARREOLA: Well, that's just the --
JUDGE TINLEY: Lease payment.
MR. ARREOLA: -- lease payment, one year.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: For a new --
MR. ARREOLA: New vehicle. I gave you the -- all
the information. It's an '07 hybrid vehicle.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: What was the --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hybrid? Half electricity?
MR. ARREOLA: Half electricity, half gasoline, 37
mile per gallon, four-wheel drive. That's just what we need.
MR. ODOM: How many miles per gallon?
MR. ARREOLA: 37.
MR. ODOM: For a four-wheel drive?
MR. ARREOLA: Yes, sir.
MR. ODOM: You better give me one of those.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We're going to get you a
truck like that. You can push it away from stop lights.
MR. ARREOLA: That was the one. And double-check
again, my extra help requested for Solid Waste didn't get
approved. No?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: No.
MR. ARREOLA: That was it.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But the truck's back in?
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I did.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I did.
JUDGE TINLEY: You put it in?
(Commissioner Nicholson shook his head negatively.)
JUDGE TINLEY: Did you put it in?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I might put it in, but it may
come back out.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm.
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COMMISSIONER LETZ: We need to look at the new
budget run. We've added another 75 -- we've added another
100,000 in the budget today.
MR. ARREOLA: Okay, thank you.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Pencil it in, see what
happens. Don't rush out to buy it just yet.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Going back to the Judge's list,
where are we on the mowing at the airport?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't see anything -- I don't
see	a contingent	person added that would	-- would it	be	added
at	a later date	as a budget amendment if	the County	gets	that
contract?
JUDGE TINLEY: We've got -- we've got a person in
Parks Maintenance. That's carried in Parks Maintenance.
That's what my thinking was.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It would go into Road and
Bridge. Switch that person.
JUDGE TINLEY: I talked to Leonard about that as
being a possibility.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, it is in Parks Maintenance?
I thought we'd taken out one in Parks Maintenance.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I thought we took it out.
It's not a full-time person. It's about, what, 60 percent of
a person?
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MR. TOMLINSON: I think it got moved to the Ag Barn.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, that -- yeah, that was
the proposal from Mr. Holekamp.
MR. TOMLINSON: Right.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But I think we want to move
it to Road and Bridge and consolidate mowing.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd rather -- I'd rather put it
in Road and Bridge right now as a contingent -- you know, but
Leonard's aware that he can't hire that person unless some
other things happen.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's where it needs to be.
I'd rather get it where it needs to be to start with. It
shouldn't be in Parks.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Anybody know where that is?.
JUDGE TINLEY: Parks Maintenance.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah, I just saw Parks. I
didn't see it.
JUDGE TINLEY: I just had it.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Next to all the Maintenance
ones, separate. Parks Maintenance, Page 36. Salaries there
is at zero.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 36.
JUDGE TINLEY: That was moved to --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: The Hill -- the --
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JUDGE TINLEY: -- Courthouse and Related Buildings,
I think. No?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, the Hill Country --
JUDGE TINLEY: No, it was moved into --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Ag Barn is Page 54, but I don't
i see --
JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's hard to see it there,
because there's more than one person.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Did we take that number that
was there, the 23,258, the year ending number?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It appears to me that there's
three people assigned to the Ag Barn.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of those is this --
previously a Parks person?
JUDGE TINLEY: No, that -- it didn't get -- there's
no additional person added to the Ag -- to the Ag Barn. Let's
see what we can find in Courthouse. There was an individual
added to -- at least one individual added to Courthouse.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Just a second.
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. That's where it was added,
at the Courthouse.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, just take it out of
Courthouse and put it in Road and Bridge.
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JUDGE TINLEY: Just a transfer. We're not making
the number go up and down.
MR. ODOM: Sorry, how many people am I getting?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: One, maybe.
MR. ODOM: One, maybe?
JUDGE TINLEY: What happened to the other one that
got added in, the 17-1 for Leonard?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I didn't see it on your list.
JUDGE TINLEY: It made the second list. Should be
attached to the first list. You don't have a second list?
The -- the most recent run has that 17-1 added that Leonard
requested.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: If you look at the '05-'06
position schedule, there was a person identified as working 30
hours per week at Parks, and that number -- and 10 hours per
week in support of our Building Repair and Maintenance, and
that number was 23,258. That's in the current position
schedule.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So, that position gets
moved into Road and Bridge, maybe, and then Road and Bridge
has another spot, so you may get two if we get the airport
contract.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Why don't we just move that
position?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right.
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The funding of that
position.
MR. ODOM: I can utilize them. I can utilize two
~ positions.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Only if you get the contract at
the airport. That pays for this person.
MR. ODOM: Sir, I can't hear. What?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: You only get that --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Come closer, Len.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: You only get that person if we
take over mowing at the airport, and then the airport pays for
that slot.
MR. ODOM: That's fine. I'm sure I'll be low bid.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's already in the airport
budget. The dollars are already in the airport budget. It
will just go to you as opposed to going to the City of
Kerrville.
MR. TOMLINSON: You're taking one person out of the
Courthouse Maintenance budget?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Moving it to Road and bridge.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge? Human Resource
Department. If all goes well, they're going to have to have a
couple of computers and some Crayolas and coloring books and
pencils and --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Exactly.
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COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: On your thing, it says -- it
does not contain --
JUDGE TINLEY: The most recent run which you got
today does contain a budget for Human Resources.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Does it -- and, I
mean, is that --
JUDGE TINLEY: What are we talking about, Tommy?
MR. TOMLINSON: I don't know what page it is, but
I it' s --
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Is that this one?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: I saw it.
JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay.
JUDGE TINLEY: I think that's got a line item for
Crayolas, doesn't it?
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's got Operating Equipment
for 23, Software Maintenance for 28. Mr. Trolinger, at least
two workstations there?
JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm.
MR. TROLINGER: Yes, sir.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Do we have any workstations
out at the J.D.F. that are not being used?
MR. TROLINGER: No, sir, not usable.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: There's furniture out
there.
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COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We got some furniture out
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Crayolas.
COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Might even be a chalkboard
or two.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, there's enough for a new
office to be set up, a couple of computers and pencils and --
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we're taking Brad's stuff
out of Collections; we don't need all that stuff.
MR. ALFORD: I'll give them my eraser.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Let me ask Barbara if --
are you going to have any surplus computer equipment or that
sort of thing when you give up --
MS. NEMEC: I'll have one. Just a terminal, not a
printer or anything. I'll still have to use those.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: How much have we spent?
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Probably 100,000.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Probably 100,000.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: It may come back out, some of
it.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Let's see. Our strategy on
EMS is to wait and see what kind of response we get from the
City to our proposal to close the gap on revenues and costs,
and if we get a positive response, then we may be able to
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bring about a significant reduction in that expense.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, but we plan for the worst
case and hope we get some money back.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Okay.
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, good, let's spend some
more now. We're not going to hear from the library people?
Come on.
COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We got --
JUDGE TINLEY: We've got Mr. Lipscomb here. He's --
COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mr. Lipscomb, please.
JUDGE TINLEY: -- an interested observer today,
right?
MR. LIPSCOMB: Exactly.
COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right, I'm ready to get out
of here.
JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on the budget,
gentlemen? We'l1 stand adjourned.
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STATE OF TEXAS
COUNTY OF KERR
The above and foregoing is a true and complete
transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my
capacity as County Clerk of the Commissioners Court
of Kerr County, Texas, at the time and place
heretofore set forth.
DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 29th day of
August, 2006.
JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk
BY : ____ _ _~_ i1tt~-----------------
Kathy anik, Deputy County Clerk
Certified Shorthand Reporter
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