1 2 3 4 5 6 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 7 Special Session 8 Thursday, May 9, 2002 9 9:00 a.m. 10 Commissioners' Courtroom 11 Kerr County Courthouse 12 Kerrville, Texas 13 14 15 16 ACCEPT BIDS FOR 2001 COLONIA FUND GRANT 17 KERRVILLE SOUTH WASTEWATER PROJECT, RIVER HILL SEWER LINE 18 19 20 21 22 PRESENT: H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 23 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 24 LARRY GRIFFIN, Commissioner Pct. 4 25 ABSENT: FREDERICK L. HENNEKE, Kerr County Judge 2 1 On Thursday, May 9, 2002, at 9:00 a.m., a special meeting 2 of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in the 3 Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, Kerrville, 4 Texas, and the following proceedings were had in open court: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's 9 o'clock, and we 7 will call to order this Commissioners Court meeting. It's 8 9 a.m. Thursday, May 9th, 2002, Commissioners Courtroom in 9 Kerr County. Our consideration agenda is one item, consider 10 and discuss opening and accepting bids for construction of 11 the 2001 Colonia Fund Grant Kerrville South Wastewater 12 Project, comma, Riverhill Sewer Line. That's Commissioner 13 2, Eric Hartzell, and U.G.R.A. But before we get into that, 14 I was wondering if there's any comments or any -- anything 15 to talk about amongst the Commissioners. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: My only comment would 17 be, with regard to this, Commissioner, that this is really a 18 milestone. It's the first step in what we've been working 19 on now for two-plus years, to get a sewer project underway, 20 so I consider it really to be a milestone and a plus, and 21 I'm kind of anxious to get it moving. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I am too. I'm 23 with you a hundred percent. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a -- I'll 25 piggyback on that, if I may. As Governor Perry's plan for 5/9/02 3 1 the -- assuming he gets re-elected, is to put a lot more 2 funding into grants like this. He is funneling, targeting, 3 whatever term you want to use, a lot of these federal 4 dollars that come to the state and then kind of get 5 channeled where the powers-that-be want it, one of them 6 being the governor, assuming the election goes along with 7 him, and he is looking at putting a lot more funding into 8 wastewater infrastructure and water infrastructure in rural 9 areas. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's good news. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Commissioner Griffin, 12 any comment? 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: This obviously is -- I 14 hope is the first of many such projects that we have. And I 15 think this -- a lot of the success in the future of both 16 going for the grants and for having everybody all signed up 17 for it will be the success of this project, so we really 18 ought to get behind this one, make sure it works. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Commissioner, I'd 20 like to make one more comment, if you don't mind. I'd like 21 to pay my -- say my thanks, express my thanks and 22 appreciation to the folks at Grantworks. I think they do an 23 excellent job. They know where the dollars are, they know 24 how to get the dollars and help the Court or any other 25 agency looking to acquire grant moneys, and they stay on top 5/9/02 4 1 of the things that have to be done. My hat's off to them. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. Well, the 3 only comment I have, I just wanted to bring to the table 4 that in the last few days I've had a couple of Kerr County 5 citizens come in with a concern of the use of the word 6 "colonia" again. I know that we've brought that to the 7 table before, and -- and what -- and I have asked for the 8 definition a couple of times. And at some point, somehow, 9 we need to really define that. There's some folks out there 10 that have been designated a colonia, and the way I 11 understand that, that that's low -- low-income housing is 12 part of the -- low income is part of the criteria. And 13 substandard housing? Is that the word? Substandard 14 housing, and those kinds of things. And one fellow that was 15 visiting with me last -- a few days ago is far from low 16 income, far from substandard housing. So there's a feeling 17 growing out there that when we designate an area as a 18 colonia, then they're -- number one, it's an embarrassment. 19 Number two, it possibly is driving the values of their 20 property down. Now, I don't know if that's real or not, but 21 it's a concern, and I kind of felt that. So, at some 22 point -- and maybe now would be a time to really get the 23 definition of what a colonia is. Is this a concern of 24 anybody's other than -- than mine? 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, I think it may 5/9/02 5 1 be a misnomer, in terms of definition. And Dave's out 2 there, Dave Tucker of Grantworks. Dave, come to the podium. 3 Maybe you can help us through this piece of the discussion 4 here. 5 MR. TUCKER: Sure. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: My understanding of 7 it is -- is not to be denigrating people. It is to identify 8 infrastructure deficiencies and problems, and using some 9 standards that weren't -- weren't put together by this 10 Court; standards that are put together, I guess, by the 11 federal government, state government, as to what constitutes 12 substandard conditions. No sewer, failing septics, perhaps 13 in many cases less than acceptable centralized water or no 14 centralized water, and in some cases housing which tends to 15 be substandard by -- by just observing the condition of the 16 housing. I suspect there are places where you could have a 17 substandard and a very standard or better than standard 18 side-by-side. Not to denigrate people. But, Dave, shed 19 some more light on this, if you will. 20 MR. TUCKER: One definition of colonia 21 presently has been 150 miles from the Texas/Mexico border. 22 They're thinking of expanding that definition to possibly 23 farther, 'cause there's certainly colonias beyond the 24 150-mile limit, but that part of the definition should be 25 overlooked for now. One important aspect to consider about 5/9/02 6 1 colonias is, although individual people in each area may not 2 meet the income qualifications, a certain percentage, 3 depending on the region, I believe, has to meet this 4 percentage for it to be designated as a colonia. And 5 another thing to consider is, for example, in this 6 first-time sewer project, those who are going to be hooked 7 up to the project have to prove their income as being below 8 a certain level, and only low- to moderate-income 9 individuals are allowed to get the free hookup. So -- 10 MR. BALLARD: When you talk about the region, 11 now, are you talking about the designated area, or is a 12 region beyond that? 13 MR. TUCKER: How do you mean? Do you mean 14 the income percentage? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 16 THE WITNESS: That's based on the income -- 17 average income of the county, I believe. So if you fall -- 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You said -- you said 19 that it -- that it has to do with folks that live in a -- 20 the region. 21 MR. TUCKER: That's right. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that that 23 designated colonia area? 24 MR. TUCKER: Yeah, within 150 miles of the 25 border right now, yeah. 5/9/02 7 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So -- 2 MR. TUCKER: If you follow the line of the -- 3 of the Rio Grande and then just extend 150 miles beyond 4 that, an unincorporated, low-income, substandard housing 5 community just like you described could be described as a 6 colonia, yes. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If -- if we designated 8 the subdivision Canyon Springs as a colonia -- 9 MR. TUCKER: Mm-hmm. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- and the -- the 11 subdivision itself is a colonia -- 12 MR. TUCKER: Mm-hmm. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- now, does the 14 low-income -- does it go outside that? Do you consider that 15 within a hundred -- the whole 150 miles, or just that one 16 subdivision? 17 MR. TUCKER: I'm not really sure, to be 18 honest, the exact definition of that. The State has decided 19 what is a colonia and what is not. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. What about -- 21 what about -- and I'm -- it's not because someone came to 22 me; I've been asking this question all along. 23 MR. TUCKER: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about when we 25 talk about substandard housing? 5/9/02 8 1 MR. TUCKER: Mm-hmm. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, if Commissioner 3 Griffin and I are driving down the road and he looks over -- 4 coming from Houston, and I'm sure the country club down 5 there -- he looks over at a house and he says, "Oh, that's 6 substandard housing." And old Buster here, that's kind of 7 raised in a tent out here with the bears and the dogs -- 8 MR. TUCKER: Sure. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- and, in my opinion, 10 that's not substandard housing; that's a pretty nice home. 11 MR. TUCKER: Right. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Who makes that 13 determination? You? 14 MR. TUCKER: Myself, personally? Not 15 necessarily. It is the kind of thing, I have to admit, you 16 know it when you see it. Part of what Grantworks does 17 includes planning, and although I'm not a planer, I've been 18 with them on planning/mapping trips. And, just for a point 19 of example, we would drive through a colonia, mapping as we 20 go, and rate each house based on their condition as we go. 21 And, yeah, it -- a judgment does come into play in those 22 circumstances, yes, sir. But when it comes to kind of more 23 specific needs, describing a colonia, the State prescribes 24 income limits and proximity to the border. So, it's a 25 little bit of both. 5/9/02 9 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think, following up on 3 that -- okay, you said the 150-mile area. 4 MR. TUCKER: Yes. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you -- but the whole 6 150-mile area is not a colonia? 7 MR. TUCKER: No, sir, absolutely not. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You designate 9 geographical areas -- 10 MR. TUCKER: Right. That's the technical -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- within -- so, you -- I 12 mean, when they go out and they find an area that meets 13 certain criteria, -- 14 MR. TUCKER: Uh-huh. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- then that geographic 16 bubble or area is designated as a colonia. 17 MR. TUCKER: Right. Oh, it doesn't just need 18 to be within 150 miles of the border. It's not like every 19 community within the area is a colonia. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's little pockets 21 within Kerr County. 22 MR. TUCKER: Oh, yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: The threshold is that 24 the County has to be within -- at least a portion of the 25 county, as I understand it, has to be within 150 miles -- 5/9/02 10 1 MR. TUCKER: That's correct. 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- of the border. 3 That's the threshold. And then, say, you can have a colonia 4 within the county. 5 MR. TUCKER: Technically speaking, right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think Commissioner 7 Baldwin's concern -- I mean -- or not his concern; it's the 8 property owners' concern -- is very, very valid, that -- 9 MR. TUCKER: Sure. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- what it does to 11 property values. And I think any information that 12 Grantworks has on that -- I mean, my personal -- this is 13 purely just what I think. 14 MR. TUCKER: Oh, yeah. Yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that it would 16 have a negative effect on property values to be designated a 17 colonia. But once -- but if something is done to improve 18 the infrastructure, then it's going to greatly increase 19 property values. 20 MR. TUCKER: That's correct. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So it's kind of like you 22 take a dip and then go up higher than you would have gone 23 without -- 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Sure. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But -- I don't know that 5/9/02 11 1 to be true, but that's logically -- 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Makes sense. 3 MR. TUCKER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's how I look at it. 5 But any information you have -- 6 MR. TUCKER: Absolutely. I'll get that to 7 you as soon as possible, yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What has happened in, you 9 know, designated colonias where something is done, what 10 happened before, you know. 11 MR. TUCKER: Right. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That would be helpful to 13 us to be able to answer questions like that, because I get 14 them as well. 15 MR. TUCKER: Right. You know, the areas 16 we're speaking of have not been designated official colonias 17 by proclamation or resolution or anything, have they? 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: They're kind of 19 defined as colonias because they've been eligible for 20 colonia grant and have been funded for colonia grant. Kind 21 of indirect evidence -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You do a bubble on a map, 23 is how we -- 24 MR. TUCKER: Right. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Another question might 5/9/02 12 1 be is that once you have made improvements based on the fact 2 that this was a designated colonia area, do you lose the 3 colonia status because you improved it out of the category? 4 MR. TUCKER: Right. Well, I mean -- 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Which is okay. 6 MR. TUCKER: Oh, yeah. Yeah, sure. That's 7 also a good point. If anything else, we are hoping to lift 8 up this area, you know, improve their property values and 9 conditions of living and things like that. Whenever we 10 prepare an application, or whenever we look -- or assist 11 counties and cities in preparing applications, the area is 12 surveyed beforehand to see if they are eligible for colonia 13 grants, and if we survey the area and they're not eligible 14 because of income limits, then we can't apply for a grant 15 for them. In this particular case, Kerrville South 16 certainly was eligible. Certainly. Because in Kerrville 17 South, I believe we had 95 percent low to moderate income. 18 So -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well -- go ahead. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, see, and that's -- 21 what you're saying there is what causes the -- you're saying 22 Kerrville South. Kerrville South is, you know, tens of 23 square miles. 24 MR. TUCKER: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's a little pocket 5/9/02 13 1 in Kerrville South that's been designated as a colonia in 2 Kerrville South. 3 MR. TUCKER: Correct. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that's why I think we 5 just need to be very careful on -- 6 MR. TUCKER: Sure. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- you know, what we're 8 saying. 9 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. 10 MR. TUCKER: Right. Right now, the Wood 11 Drive and Loyal Valley area that's been surveyed has been 12 designated as such. Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think last week we 14 probably did designate -- officially designate those areas. 15 MR. TUCKER: As colonias? By resolution? 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, the map -- the 17 mapping workshop that we had identified -- it was areas that 18 qualified under the rules of the -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So this Court didn't 20 vote to adopt -- 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We haven't. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have not done that 23 yet. Now, those questions that I had about the substandard 24 housing, I want to kind of go across the bridge here to the 25 income. One of my concerns with that is -- and, I mean, I 5/9/02 14 1 don't know how you would work the thing. How do you know 2 that they are low income until -- if -- do you have to wait 3 until you get into the actual approval or nonapproval before 4 it's decided that they are low-income? 5 MR. TUCKER: No. In this particular case, we 6 went from door to door and asked how many people live in 7 that home and asked them what their income was, before we 8 even made the application. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. Okay. Of 10 course, that's the way to do that. 11 MR. TUCKER: Yes, sir, absolutely. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 13 MR. TUCKER: Yes, sir. We wouldn't want to 14 assist a county or city in getting a grant funded, and then 15 find out later that the area isn't eligible, so we do that 16 beforehand. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good. 18 MR. TUCKER: We've been surveying further 19 areas. I was just here last week going door to door 20 surveying additional areas to see what the income level is 21 to see maybe if we can be eligible for another grant. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 23 MR. TUCKER: I wish I had better terminology 24 for you on the definition of a colonia and how it's defined, 25 but let me get that to the Court, and then we can have it in 5/9/02 15 1 time for that special session on the 13th. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. All right. I 3 guess -- is there any other questions or comments from up 4 here? I would like to give the public an opportunity to 5 make statements up front and make them now, and then we'll 6 -- then we'll open up the bids and go on. Okay? 7 MR. TUCKER: Thank you. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. 9 Don't run off too far, now, 'cause it's -- 10 MR. TUCKER: I'll be right here. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There may be -- some 12 questions may be directed to you. 13 MR. TUCKER: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there anyone from 15 the audience that has concerns or questions in regards to 16 colonia or -- or the bids or what we're doing as a 17 Commissioners Court? Yes, sir, would you come forward and 18 give us your name and address for the record, please? 19 MR. COSBY: Morning, gentlemen. My name is 20 Lewis Cosby. I live in Silver Creek Estates at 107 Silver 21 Creek, and I was designated -- or my neighborhood was 22 designated as a colonia in the Kerrville Daily Times on 23 Saturday. And this gentleman -- you must be Mr. Hartzell? 24 MR. TUCKER: I'm Mr. Tucker. 25 MR. COSBY: Mr. Tucker. Grantworks didn't 5/9/02 16 1 come to my door and ask me what my income was. I made over 2 $50,000 last year, okay? Neighbor next to me is a 3 schoolteacher, makes over $30,000 a year. Neighbor on the 4 other side makes over $40,000 a year. And I -- I just don't 5 believe that we're a colonia. The newspaper -- I don't know 6 if it's this court, but of course Mr. Brown from U.G.R.A. is 7 the one that was quoted in the newspaper. What they've done 8 essentially is destroyed my property values. They've thrown 9 them in the toilet by declaring me and my neighborhood a 10 colonia, and I'm a little upset about that and I'd like to 11 see something done about it. I'd like to see it changed. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which area? 13 MR. COSBY: Kerrville -- I'm in Silver Creek 14 Estates, Mr. Williams. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's in the area 16 between 16 and 173, is it not? 17 MR. COSBY: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: On Lower Turtle Creek 19 Road? 20 MR. COSBY: No, it's not on Lower Turtle 21 Creek Road. Kerrville -- Silver Creek Estates is exactly 22 4.7 miles south of the river bridge. As you go past River 23 Hills Boulevard and you go up south on 16 and you make the 24 long, lazy S-turn, just past that you start uphill, and over 25 the top of that hill on the right is Silver Creek Estates. 5/9/02 17 1 Silver Creek Estates is composed of site-built homes and 2 double-wide mobile homes and modular homes. I don't know if 3 you gentlemen have taken a drive through there, but I think 4 that if you do, you will find that they're all well-kept. 5 People take pride in the neighborhood. And to be classified 6 as a colonia is just not fair. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sir, is that -- and just 8 so I know where it is, there's a log cabin on the right. Is 9 the subdivision right past that log cabin? 10 MR. COSBY: Well, that log cabin is in the 11 subdivision. That's at the end of Silver Creek Road, which 12 is the road I live on, which is parallel to the highway. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, okay. I know 14 where it is. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I tell you what we 16 could do very quickly in that regard. We can ask 17 Grantworks -- 'cause we have not formulated that report, the 18 mapping report, as we noted earlier. 19 MR. COSBY: Yes, sir. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We can ask Grantworks 21 to take a look at that. If it's not supposed to be there, 22 it won't be there; it will be pulled out of there. 23 MR. COSBY: And I appreciate that, and I'd 24 appreciate the Court and Grantworks doing that. But I would 25 also -- if that's the case, I'd like it to be publicly 5/9/02 18 1 stated that we are not a colonia in the newspaper. Okay? 2 Because the newspaper got ahold of a draft report of your 3 study. I've got a copy of it. And, based on that, they 4 said we're a colonia, according to Jim Brown. Jim Brown's 5 the gentleman from U.G.R.A. who was quoted in this article. 6 I've already talked to Mr. Brown on Monday, and Mr. Brown 7 assures me that Silver Creek Estates is not a colonia. Mr. 8 Brown informed me that he was an expert on colonias, since 9 he was the city manager of Eagle Pass, I believe, for 15 10 years. He knows what a colonia is. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I misunderstood you. 12 I thought you said Turtle Creek Estates, but you said Silver 13 Creek Estates. 14 MR. COSBY: Silver Creek Estates is also at 15 the bottom of the list on your study, and, of course -- so 16 there -- there is nothing planned for over 10 years for 17 Silver Creek Estates. So, if this doesn't get changed for 18 10 years, my property values and those of my neighbors are 19 going to be in the toilet. Now, you gentlemen, I know if 20 somebody did that to you, would be just raising cain. Am I 21 right? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Raising what? 24 MR. COSBY: Cain. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 5/9/02 19 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We'd be doing what 2 you're doing. 3 MR. COSBY: Yeah, doing what I'm doing. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- you know, we 5 appreciate you coming in and pointing it out. We'll look at 6 it. 7 MR. COSBY: I appreciate that. Thank you 8 very much. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Grantworks' man is 10 here, and he'll take it back. 11 MR. COSBY: Well, I'd like to speak with him 12 after this is over. Thank you very much, gentlemen. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, Mr. Cosby. 14 Anyone else? The -- actually, I guess we need to visit a 15 little bit. There may be others, so we -- I guess we need 16 to, each of us -- it's just basically your and my precinct, 17 isn't it? 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I believe so. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So we need to really 20 kind of take a closer look and -- and then get with 21 Grantworks. Okay, let's open some bids. Let's see. We 22 have three bids. One from D.W. Contractors. Commissioner 23 Griffin, thank you so much for letting us use your tools. 24 Want to kind of take a peek at that and pass it around? If 25 you see a total or a bottom line -- 5/9/02 20 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, I see one on 2 Page 1. Do you want me to spout it out here so it goes on 3 the record? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That would be good, 5 sir. Again, this is D.W. Contractors. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: This is for T.D.C.P. 7 contract -- whatever, 721075, for the River Hill Sanitary 8 Sewer Bypass. Amount of the base bid,, $191,140 and no 9 cents. And the amount of additive Alternative Number 1 is 10 $110,470 and no cents. 11 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Like to pass that 12 envelope with it? Just so we keep them together. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the second one is 14 M.B. Bender, B-e-n-d-e-r, Company, comma, Inc. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The amount of the 16 base bid for M.B. Bender Company, Inc., is $260,113.50. And 17 the additive alternative number 1 is 140 -- $154,160 and no 18 cents. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the third one is 20 Compton Enterprises, C-o-m-p-t-o-n. Compton Enterprises. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: This would be the 22 bond? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. And the 25 Compton Enterprises bid is, for the base bid, $221,675. And 5/9/02 21 1 for the additive alternative, $79,680. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Any questions from the 3 Commissioners Court regarding those three bids? 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Commissioner, I think 5 they should be sent to the engineering company to see if 6 they meet the specifications of the bid, and we can do that 7 today by virtue of giving them to Mr. Tucker of Grantworks, 8 who will take them to the engineering firm in San Antonio, 9 and they will analyze the bids and be prepared to report 10 back to the Court on May 13th, I believe. That's a 11 recommendation. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that a motion to 13 accept all bids and do that? 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's a motion to 15 accept and transfer them to the engineer for study and 16 making the recommendation. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do I hear a second? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have a motion and 20 second to turn these over to Grantworks, that will 21 hand-carry them to San Antonio. To what engineering firm? 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Tetra Tech. 23 MR. TUCKER: Tetra Tech. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there any comments 25 from the Commissioners Court? Motion and second. All in 5/9/02 22 1 favor, please say aye. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All opposed? 4 (No response.) 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Four-oh. Thank you 6 very much. Anything else from you gentlemen? You need your 7 knife back, but anything else? I declare this meeting over. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And blessed, besides. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And blessed besides. 10 Where can you get that? 11 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 9:23 a.m.) 12 - - - - - - - - - - 13 14 STATE OF TEXAS | 15 COUNTY OF KERR | 16 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 17 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 18 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 19 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 20 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 9th day of May, 2002. 21 22 23 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 24 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 25 Certified Shorthand Reporter 5/9/02