1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Regular Session 10 Monday, July 8, 2002 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: FREDERICK L. HENNEKE, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 LARRY GRIFFIN, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X July 8, 2002 2 PAGE --- Update on flood situation 3 3 --- Commissioners Comments 18 4 1.1 Pay Bills 24 1.2 Budget Amendments 25 5 1.3 Late Bills 38 1.4 Read and Approve Minutes 38 6 1.5 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports -- 7 2.1 Consider and discuss obstruction to county bridge 38 8 2.2 Consider and discuss request to appoint Don McClure as a reserve deputy 43 9 2.3 Consideration and approval of agreement between 10 Kerr County and Kerr County Market Association for use of courthouse grounds for bimonthly 11 Kerr County Market Days, authorize County Judge to sign same 45 12 2.4 Consider and discuss rescheduling public hearing 13 on colonia study for July 16, 2002, at 6:30 p.m. 48 14 2.5 Consider and discuss approval and adoption of proposed amendments to the road-naming and 15 addressing guidelines of Kerr 911, and consider and discuss appointment of the address 16 coordinator for Kerr County 49, 65 17 2.6 Consider and discuss holding workshop to discuss creation of Kerr County Elections Department 57 18 2.7 Consider and discuss approval of interlocal 19 participation agreement for Texas Local Government Purchasing Cooperative and authorize 20 County Judge to sign same 63 21 --- Adjourned 82 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 9:00 a.m., a regular meeting 2 of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in the 3 Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, Kerrville, 4 Texas, and the following proceedings were had in open court: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Good morning, everyone. It's 7 9 o'clock in the morning on Monday, July 8th, Year 2002. We 8 will call to order this regular session of the Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court. Commissioner Letz, I believe you have 10 the honors this morning. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Would everyone please 12 stand and join me in prayer? 13 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you, Jonathan. Before 15 we have our regular court business this morning, we're going 16 to have a couple briefings. First we have Mr. John Gunther 17 from the Red Cross -- 18 MR. GUNTHER: Thank you. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- to update us briefly on 20 the status of the relief efforts here in Kerr County. 21 MR. GUNTHER: I thought this would be an 22 opportunity to come over and bring you folks up to date on 23 what's gone on here in the last week. As you know, we got 24 some rain. The Red Cross here is working very closely with 25 the other agencies, Salvation Army, the Texas Baptist Men, 7-8-02 4 1 FEMA, and the Seventh Day Adventists. And I want to just 2 bring you up to date on some numbers and some of the things 3 that are going on and where we stand in this recovery 4 process. We've surveyed 336 home units in the county which 5 have been damaged to some extent. Now, the bulk of those 6 are within the city limits of Kerrville, but that's 336 7 families that are impacted that we have found to-date. Of 8 those, 19 homes are completely gone; completely what we 9 consider totally lost. 180 homes have sustained major 10 damage, and 137 have minor damage. Right now, we have 20 11 families in hotels and motels around, split between us and 12 the Salvation Army; we're sharing that cost of those 20 13 families that are totally out. We have, to date, served a 14 hundred -- 1,072 hot meals, and we are serving out of the 15 Presbyterian Church over here. And I know you gentlemen 16 have a long day today, so I'd invite you to come over for 17 lunch about 11:30, if you'd like. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's get that address 19 again. 20 MR. GUNTHER: First Presbyterian Church right 21 over here. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Across the street. 23 MR. GUNTHER: The back room. The big, new 24 room. Again, the Red Cross, we have about 40 people, 40 -- 25 we have 40 volunteers here in Kerrville right now, and one 7-8-02 5 1 paid person. That's kind of the ratio that Red Cross works 2 on. Our volunteers, we have about 12 local folks like 3 myself from here in Kerr County. The balance of them are 4 from other areas. We have people actually as far away as 5 South Dakota, I believe; we have a lady from South Dakota. 6 There's been a tremendous influx of Red Cross volunteers 7 into Texas over the last week. The emergency needs have 8 been met, everybody has gotten hot meals, they've had a 9 place to sleep, and they've got some kind of a shelter 10 arrangement. The Baptist men have done a great job, and 11 they're -- they're cooking for us. Red Cross is buying the 12 groceries, the Baptist Men are cooking over at Trinity 13 Baptist church, and we're delivering to two places. Were 14 delivering food over here to the church for a fixed station, 15 and then we are feeding from our little van out in the 16 affected areas, primarily over here in the eastern part of 17 Kerrville. 18 The Seventh Day Adventist -- you may have 19 noticed their truck over here. That truck is full of 20 clothes. The Seventh Day Adventists here in Texas have a 21 unique program; they collect used clothing. They have a 22 processing plant in Cleburne, Texas, where they take all 23 that clothing and wash it, sew on the buttons and patch it 24 up and put it in these vans, and it's free. We have a van 25 here and we have a van in Bandera just like this. And this 7-8-02 6 1 is available to folks who are affected to come by and pick 2 up socks and underwear and some of those things that they 3 need right now. 4 We have finished damage assessment. We're 5 taking care of emergency needs. We are now, today, 6 initiating the one-on-one contact with each family. We've 7 got about 10 teams set up here; we'll be working out of our 8 office over here, as well as work out in the field to 9 contact each of these 336 families and see what we can do to 10 help them. By helping, what we do is we'll issue vouchers 11 for food, clothing, emergency repairs to their home, 12 whatever -- medicine, prescriptions, eyeglasses, false 13 teeth, whatever they need. If there's a bright side to this 14 operation, it's the fact that this money that we will be 15 spending is going to be spent in Kerr County. Just a rough 16 estimate, there's 336 families. If they only get $200, 17 that's $67,000 of new money that will be spent in Kerr 18 County. We think that, you know, there is a positive to 19 that. I feel that the average family is going to be much 20 beyond $200. 21 We are in contact with FEMA. FEMA has people 22 -- had people here over the weekend, and they are going to 23 be working here. In Texas, FEMA currently has about 80 24 field inspectors, and they are sharing our data. They're 25 sharing the data from the City of Kerrville, the assessments 7-8-02 7 1 that they made, so that they can come in with some major 2 repairs. And I know they've been talking to the County also 3 about your roads and bridges and that sort of thing. I 4 guess if we have a need right now, it's to get the roads 5 fixed. We continually receive calls from folks out in the 6 hinterlands that, "I have been stuck here for seven days. I 7 can't get out; my road's washed out." We have been taking 8 that information and referring it on to the County Road and 9 Bridge Department. Hopefully -- I know they're overwhelmed, 10 but we would hope that they can get to it when they can. 11 That's it, in a nutshell. Be happy to try and answer any 12 questions that any of you may have. Again, I invite you to 13 come over to lunch if you'd like. And -- or stop by our 14 office and see what's going on; it's right across the way. 15 You're certainly welcome at any time. Could I answer any 16 questions? 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Anyone have any questions at 18 this time? 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Thank you, John. 20 MR. GUNTHER: We'll keep you guys up-to-date 21 of any major changes, and probably next Monday we'll 22 probably come back and tell you where we stand at that point 23 in time. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you. 25 MR. GUNTHER: Thank you very much. 7-8-02 8 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: We're going to ask Leonard 3 Odom to give us a quick overview of the status. What I'm 4 laying out here is a map that Leonard prepared with the 5 cooperation of the City of Kerrville's GIS programmer, and 6 it kind of pinpoints the areas of -- the problem areas that 7 Leonard knows about today. I want to emphasize "knows about 8 today," because there's still some areas of the county that 9 Road and Bridge hasn't been able to get into. So, Leonard? 10 MR. ODOM: Thank you, Judge. I believe that 11 you have that data sheet in front of you that breaks it down 12 by precinct, so it gives you a better idea. We -- to our 13 knowledge, on the county-maintained roads that access is 14 available to everybody, we've got that portion that we know 15 of. There are some private roads that we -- that we've got 16 some information on, but we believe that most everybody that 17 we're responsible for has access now. The roads -- the way 18 we broke this down for FEMA was that, right now, I have 40 19 -- there's a list of 40 roads that are paved that have 20 damage on them. This morning we came up with four more that 21 we know about, as I was in our supervisor meeting every 22 Monday, so that's a total of 44 roads that we have damage 23 on. Some of these roads are miles long, so where there's 24 creek crossings or pipes, we have damage normally in there, 25 but there's still access across those roads. 7-8-02 9 1 The unpaved roads that you see, I have three. 2 There's -- we just had a call this morning -- Echo Hills, 3 which I believe is Precinct 1, back there. So, we have four 4 unpaved roads that are damaged that we'll have to be doing 5 work on. Bridges destroyed at this point, we don't know. 6 If there was a question on any of them, it would be Hermann 7 Sons. Talking this morning -- we were concerned Saturday 8 that there was no ripple in the -- in the water; it was 9 smooth. And talking to Douglas, we think there's a gravel 10 bar across there similar to 87, all the way across that 11 thing. So, if there's an obstruction there, we don't know 12 until we have time and the water recedes a little bit, till 13 we can get that open. So, Hermann Sons, Commissioner, will 14 be closed for a while. I've got them on the other side 15 filling in the -- there's 12-foot holes over there, so 16 Schwarz is going to fill that up to make it safer, at least 17 get -- make it where it's accessible up to that point, and 18 then we'll see what we have to do. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What -- do you want 20 Leonard to do the whole report or ask questions as we go? 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think Leonard's actually 22 about done with his report. Aren't you, Leonard? 23 MR. ODOM: Just about. Closed and 24 repairable, there's three structures; Hermann Sons, Peterson 25 Farm, and Center Point River Road we know that are closed at 7-8-02 10 1 this point because of water. And damaged and serviceable, 2 that we have four. And this -- I left one off -- five 3 structures that are damaged, but they're serviceable; people 4 can get across. And the culverts, we have four that are 5 completely gone across roads, we have to replace. And one 6 that's damaged and still in place is Denlu, so we know that 7 that's left off in Precinct 1 there. That's -- dollar cost, 8 I gave that to the Judge, but really, that was just 9 something that we needed across-the-board. I would ask the 10 Court -- and I talked to the Judge this morning -- that -- 11 that the Court would allocate at least a quarter of a 12 million dollars as a court order, and that we set a fund up 13 and put $125,000 into it. That quarter of a million would 14 be close to an estimate of $1.1, $1.2 million on my 15 25 percent culpability that I would have. 16 So, other than that, if FEMA picked it up, 17 they'd pick up the other 75 percent, so we wouldn't have to 18 make a major issue. We would have that money allocated, and 19 let's see where 125 goes to get everything back in place, 20 and we'll take a look at any structures damaged as water 21 drops. We'll be in good shape. All we have to do is have 22 the Auditor come to you if I needed more money in that fund, 23 up to a quarter of a million, and I'd have to come back to 24 the Court at that point if I spent more than that. If 25 that's acceptable to the Court. 7-8-02 11 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: We have an emergency meeting 2 called at 10:30 to take up our response to the flood. We'll 3 consider that at that time. 4 MR. ODOM: All right, sir. And that's 5 basically my report. Men have been out fighting it, and in 6 the office, Truby was there, and I had Commissioner Baldwin 7 and Commissioner Williams there, and the others -- moral 8 support from Jonathan and Larry and -- and the help in the 9 office. I appreciate that. Constituents should be proud 10 that you were in there with us, as wet as we were. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any questions of Leonard? 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I -- just a comment. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think Jonathan had one 14 first. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Go ahead, Jonathan. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two questions I have. I 17 forgot one of them already, so it will be shorter. One, I 18 have -- oh, I remember the other one. I'll ask it first. 19 Getting to -- on the reroute to Hermann Sons, you know, a 20 lot of that road goes through Kendall County. Kendall 21 County is overwhelmed, I know, as much, if not more, than we 22 are because of the damage they had in the Ranger Creek area 23 and the major washout of their big bridge there. What do 24 you need to do to keep that road passable? 'Cause I know 25 that it's -- you know, too, that road sustained a lot of 7-8-02 12 1 damage, and us transporting so many trucks probably made it 2 worse. I know it's Kendall County's road, their 3 responsibility, but at the same time, it's going to Kerr 4 County residents. That's the first question. And we can't 5 do anything about it till we get to the 10:30 meeting, but 6 it's just for you to think about that. 7 The other issue is a specific issue, which is 8 similar in nature, that it's a road washed out. And 9 Leonard's aware of this. It's going to Peek Ranches. It's 10 a subdivision that is -- a large portion of it's in Kerr 11 County. A bridge washed out on the entrance to it. The 12 entrance -- it's a private road, and the actual washout is 13 in Kendall County. I talked -- I got a message from Duane 14 DuBose, the Commissioner for that precinct, this morning. I 15 didn't -- I have not been able to talk to him; we're playing 16 telephone tag. His response is they're meeting with FEMA to 17 see what can be done, but they're -- based on his message, 18 Kendall County's position is, it's a private road; they're 19 not fixing it. I looked at it; I know that to be true. I 20 mean, it's a private road, but we also have residents that 21 are stranded right now, and so a general question is, in 22 that particular situation, can the County help? And then, 23 in a more general -- I know a lot of residents that are 24 stranded on their ranches, on private roads -- or not always 25 ranches; subdivisions, too, but they are private roads. And 7-8-02 13 1 can the County authorize Road and Bridge, subject to their 2 ability, to fix some of these private crossroads -- 3 temporary, just do something to get people so they can get 4 in and out? Not a permanent fix, but something to help? 5 And I don't know if we legally can do it or not do it, but 6 it's something that I think we need to address at 10:30. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So we may need to get the 9 County Attorney up here for that as well. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Anyone else have any 11 questions on that? 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I have a couple 13 comments, and maybe I'll ask Leonard a couple. I know you 14 folks have done a great job of being out there identifying 15 places. I notice from the list, however, two or three that 16 may not -- you may not have identified, and if you would add 17 it to your list -- 18 MR. ODOM: All right. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- I'd appreciate it. 20 And then I have a question on -- about what Jonathan said. 21 Verde Creek Road East, from 173 out past Prison Canyon 22 Ranch, there are some bad spots -- washouts in that -- that 23 one. 24 MR. ODOM: Camp Verde Road, you mean? 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's identified as 7-8-02 14 1 Verde Creek Road. 2 MR. ODOM: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right at Camp Verde 4 and going out toward Prison Canyon Ranch. Witt Road has a 5 major, major base failure, in addition to culvert almost 6 being washed out. And McDonald Loop has several places that 7 are -- 8 MR. ODOM: Oh, yes. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- in bad shape. 10 MR. ODOM: Those, I forgot. We're aware of 11 them. Silver -- 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I thought you may be. 13 MR. ODOM: Silver Creek is one that the 14 pipe's blown out. I'm not worried about that; there's 15 nobody back there. They can walk across if they need to 16 look at something, and you have -- and that's going to be a 17 continual problem as we de-water right here; you're going to 18 find springs. This material has such a low liquid limit 19 that it turns to liquid, so as you put heavy equipment in 20 there, you will find places that do not show up, and that's 21 the reason we want to back up a little bit, let it de-water 22 a little bit before we start to put a lot in there. All 23 we're going to do is add to it, and there is a catch-22 to 24 this. After they sort of program this, they might catch it 25 a little bit, but you -- you need to -- to leach this -- a 7-8-02 15 1 car is a whole lot different than a big loader or heavy 2 8-cubic-yard dump truck, if they're loaded, so we try to 3 back up and take what's noticeable. We're aware of that. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Just kind of 5 following up on Jonathan's comments, the folks out on Elm 6 Pass Road -- I know it's on your list -- and in Elm Pass II 7 are particularly troubled by lots of major washouts there, 8 and that's kind of rough. So, I -- I don't think anybody is 9 particularly stranded, although on Elm Pass II, it is 10 breached. The road is totally breached, but they can go 11 around the mountain. I don't think -- 12 MR. ODOM: Everybody has access; you can get 13 up and down there. Now, they're going back out to Elm Pass, 14 into -- back by Elm Pass II to put some gravel down there, 15 because that water's still flowing across there. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 17 MR. ODOM: And we can't get to anybody's pit 18 right now to get any material. We thought we could at the 19 Lucky 3, but y'all had a 2-inch rain -- when I say "y'all," 20 I'm part of this community, but I was in Castroville taking 21 mud out of my places up there. So, you had a rain there, 22 and they just called this morning, so we couldn't get into 23 -- tore the roof off the place Saturday night, or -- I guess 24 it was Saturday night. So, we've been trying to get 25 material. We have 300 bags of cement ready to mix when we 7-8-02 16 1 can get the material. We cannot get c.c. or black base at 2 this time. We've been trying all week. We're on the list. 3 We're one of the first to go as soon as they can get into 4 their pits to get the material so we can patch the roads. 5 There's going to be inconvenience. We ask the Court's 6 indulgence to be patient, to let your people know, but Elm 7 Pass is traversable. It has been ever since this thing 8 started. So, it just gets deeper, but -- 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Little worse with 10 each car. 11 MR. ODOM: Every day it's a little bit worse. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which I just want to 13 thank you and your crews for the splendid job you've done. 14 MR. ODOM: Well, thank you. I'll pass that 15 on to them. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Anything else? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do you want us to give 18 you another road you missed? Or I don't know if you missed 19 it, Westwood. 20 MR. ODOM: Yes. I think I -- I don't know if 21 I had that down. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can get through the -- 23 MR. ODOM: Douglas is going over there and 24 drop what little black base we have into one hole right 25 there. 7-8-02 17 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, where it's just 2 kind of just giving way a little bit. 3 MR. ODOM: We're aware of that. There was 4 names on here I haven't -- but this list is tentative. What 5 they're going to do is take me and then they're going to 6 take some, they're going to spot-check, and they're going to 7 come back. And, at that point, we'll add to. It's not -- 8 not really feasible when someone's looking at the range 9 here. And I can be -- I've been a lot of places -- a lot of 10 the same places, same time, but every day is a little bit 11 different, and what was here yesterday is worse today. And, 12 so, to put a dollar estimate on things, I gave up about 13 Wednesday. When it hit Thursday, I said we're -- there's no 14 sense putting dollars to this thing; it just keeps -- when 15 it stops raining. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I also want to echo my 17 thank you to you and your crew. I know there were a lot of 18 incidents, certainly in the eastern part of the county, in 19 my precinct. I appreciate what you've done, appreciate you 20 unofficially clearing a lot of debris on the side of the 21 road so people can get in and out of properties, things like 22 that. I think it's a -- says a lot. And I know I've heard 23 a lot of comments from people very close to the Kendall 24 County line that are happier with Kerr County, because they 25 got, they feel, quicker response time. 7-8-02 18 1 MR. ODOM: We've tried. We've done the best 2 for your constituents that we can. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: You've done a great job, and 4 right now you need to go back to work. 5 MR. ODOM: Thank you. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: We'll see you at 3 o'clock. 7 MR. ODOM: All right. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's about as up-to-date as 9 we can get right now, boys, so let's go back and do the 10 regular work, return to that. Is there any citizen at this 11 time who wishes to address the Court on an item not listed 12 on the regular agenda? 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Once again, is there any 15 citizen who would like to address the Court on an item not 16 listed on the regular agenda? Seeing none, we'll turn to 17 Commissioners comments. Jonathan? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I really don't think I 19 have any other comment -- well, the one -- I guess two 20 comments that I have. One, Little League tournament is on 21 again in Kerrville. They're -- a tremendous amount of 22 volunteers from Little League came out to get the major 23 league field ready to go. They played last night, two 24 games, and everyone was just astounded that they could get 25 that field back in order as quickly as they did. Little 7-8-02 19 1 League did sustain quite a bit of damage on the property, 2 but the reality is, that property was designed with this 3 event in mind, or events like this, and everything worked 4 out exactly as we anticipated. The critical structures and 5 concession stand buildings had virtually no water; might 6 have gotten a quarter of an inch deep on the new concession 7 stand. Even though it looks low, it's actually as high as 8 Highway 27; we built that up. You know, the road washed out 9 and some fences went down, but the cost is relatively minor, 10 and everything pretty much went as it was thought it would 11 happen when it was designed. So, that was good news. And 12 the other -- other thing is, something -- just a surprise. 13 I mentioned to Larry a few minutes ago, I was at the Comfort 14 Air Park yesterday, which I'm sure most of y'all don't even 15 know there is a Comfort Air Park. It's off Hermann Sons 16 Road, and there are 10 planes at the Comfort Air Park in 17 four hangars. I was astounded. Unfortunately, all 10 18 planes have a substantial amount of water in them, and 19 they're all out there working through it. But they landed 20 in a coastal field, and there's a lot of activity over at 21 the Comfort Air Park. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Is that in Kendall or Kerr 23 County? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's in Kerr County. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Been over there 7-8-02 20 1 several times; I didn't realize there were that many 2 airplanes there. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're kind of a 4 different crew than hangs out at the Kerrville Airport. 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: It's not Continental 6 Airlines. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They have -- they're -- 8 they all have their own toolboxes, and almost all the 9 toolboxes are old refrigerators that they have big chains 10 around with locked padlocks on them. But, anyway, 11 interesting bunch of gentlemen happened to be there 12 yesterday, and unfortunately sustained quite a bit of 13 damage, but are cleaning up and ready to proceed. So, 14 that's it. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's good. Larry? 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Just one quick thing. 17 I noticed the local media have been excellent in publicizing 18 who to call for what kinds of things, and we just ask that 19 you keep publicizing, 'cause a lot of people aren't getting 20 their newspapers until maybe today or tomorrow or sometime, 21 and we need to get the word out on who to call for what. 22 And that has been covered very well, and I would just ask 23 that the media do that, continue for the next few days. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Buster? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I have had 7-8-02 21 1 -- like you all, have had many, many phone calls about the 2 roads and bridges, et cetera, et cetera, and I just wanted 3 to say to the public, just have patience. Our Road and 4 Bridge Department is one of the finest departments in the -- 5 in the entire state, in my opinion. I have tremendous 6 confidence in them, and they go above and beyond the call of 7 duty, in my opinion, to meet the needs of the residents of 8 Kerr County. I want to say thank you to them. I think that 9 we have a scheduled Kerr County Market Days this next 10 Saturday, the 13th. It will be our first one, so I want to 11 remind all the -- at least the courthouse folks and all of 12 our good neighbors that you can come by the courthouse next 13 Saturday and visit the Market Days and maybe pick up some 14 good tomatoes. I want to -- last, but not least, want to 15 brag on my kid a little bit. Last Friday morning, I drove 16 through some water that came into my car, but we went to San 17 Antonio, and he high-jumped in the rain. It was 18 unbelievable. I drove down Interstate 35 -- Interstate 10 19 at 35 miles an hour to get there, and we were late, but 20 anyway, he -- he placed seventh in the state amongst all 21 those great, big guys. And -- and, again, just an old 22 country boy came to town and did well. I'm proud of him. 23 That's all. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thanks. Bill? 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Only one other 7-8-02 22 1 footnote. It's really -- as you go around and you see the 2 damage, it's depressing, but it's also heartening to see 3 neighbors and friends turn out to help others. Saw many, 4 many illustrations, instances of that, where the damage in 5 one place wasn't so severe that it occupied all their time, 6 and they would respond and help their neighbors clean up 7 their property and make it habitable. That's really 8 heartening to see that happen. It does happen. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, I certainly want to 10 echo my thanks to Road and Bridge, and also the Sheriff's 11 Department. Dr. Pat Van Reet told me yesterday of an 12 incident where a patient of hers ran out of their -- the 13 patient's epilepsy medicine Friday and was stranded on their 14 ranch out in Kerr County, and Dr. Van Reet contacted the 15 Sheriff's Department and they helicoptered a supply of 16 medicine in to that lady. So, the Sheriff's Department has 17 also been all over the county blocking roads and rescuing 18 people, and so have the volunteer fire departments. I 19 have -- I returned a phone call from Danny Smith at the 20 Center Point Volunteer Fire Department Friday afternoon, and 21 the lady who answered the phone out there said, "He can't 22 come to the phone right now; they're in the process of 23 rescuing somebody out of the river." Somebody got washed 24 down the river. So, everyone -- all of the public safety 25 agencies in Kerr County have simply turned out and done 7-8-02 23 1 their job and done their job admirably, the way that we all 2 knew they could. 3 I have to put in a particular thanks to Len 4 Odom, though -- Leonard Odom. Y'all may not have caught the 5 reference, but he owns a place in Castroville which was -- 6 dates back to 1845. It's his family's ranch. It sustained 7 substantial damage in the flooding, and he has had to 8 basically let that structure go. I think he had Sunday 9 morning to try to do something with it because of his 10 responsibilities here in Kerr County. And I think Leonard 11 in particular has gone above and beyond the call of duty to 12 help people out and see that we were taken care of during 13 this unusual event. So, my hat's off to Leonard, as well as 14 to everybody in the county who had anything to do with 15 protecting lives and property during this terrible flood. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, one other -- other 17 group also that I forgot to mention, the utility companies. 18 Hill Country Telephone -- there's a lot of outages in the 19 eastern part of the county, myself still included, and this 20 -- you know, people need to be patient with the utility 21 companies as well. They are overwhelmed right now. Not as 22 much what happened, I think, in Kerr County as what happened 23 in Bandera County. Both Bandera Co-Op and Hill Country 24 Co-Op have a tremendous amount of -- and they're out there 25 working, and they worked -- they're working seven days a 7-8-02 24 1 week; long, long hours. So, if people have any kind of 2 phone problems, you know, be patient. They're trying to 3 repair lines all over the county. And they're repairing -- 4 it's pretty amazing. They -- if you see these little sticks 5 sticking out of the ground with a baggie on top of it tied 6 up, they're doing splices like that, just quick as they can, 7 to get things done. And electric's being done the same way, 8 just amazing. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's true. And I'll remind 10 everyone that we have a meeting at 10:30 -- hopefully, we'll 11 be done by then -- to talk about our response to the flood 12 event. And then we start our budget workshops at 1:30 this 13 afternoon. And, further information, FEMA, the Federal 14 Emergency Management Agency, is in town. I've met with them 15 twice over the weekend. They're meeting with the City at 16 1 o'clock to go and review damage, and they're going to be 17 here at the courthouse at 3 o'clock, and Leonard's going to 18 be back. He's going to take them out, show them the damage 19 to roads and bridges in Kerr County. So, hopefully, help is 20 on the way. All right. Let's go back to the regular work, 21 then, guys. Mr. Auditor, let's pay some bills. Anybody 22 have any questions or comments regarding the bills as 23 presented by the Auditor? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move that we pay the 25 bills. 7-8-02 25 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 3 Baldwin, second by Commissioner Williams, that the Court 4 authorize payment of the bills as recommended and presented 5 by the Auditor. Any questions or comments? If not, all in 6 favor, raise your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Budget 11 amendments. Budget Amendment Number 1 is for the 1998 Tax 12 Anticipation Note. 13 MR. TOMLINSON: First of the year, we -- 14 we -- when we paid a service fee, that was not budgeted, and 15 it left us short in this -- in the interest line item for 16 $261.68. So, I -- I'm requesting that we increase this 17 budget by -- by $261.68 to pay the semiannual interest on 18 $31,323.75. It will come out of the surplus funds in this 19 budget balance. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 21 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 23 Baldwin, second by Commissioner Griffin, that the Court 24 declare an emergency and increase the budget for the 25 interest on the 1998 Tax Anticipation Note by $261.68, with 7-8-02 26 1 the funds to come from the Fund Number 61 fund balance. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Was this an oversight 3 when we were doing the budget? 4 MR. TOMLINSON: Actually, I think we did 5 budget some service fees for the paying agent. They -- they 6 increased their fees, and we didn't know about it. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So, fees increased 8 that we have no control over. 9 MR. TOMLINSON: Right. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other questions or 11 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 14 (No response.) 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 2 is 16 for J.P. 1. 17 MR. TOMLINSON: This request is to move 18 $84.25 from Books and Publications to Office Supplies. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So moved. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 22 Griffin, second by Commissioner Baldwin, that the Court 23 approve Budget Amendment Request Number 2 for J.P. 1. Any 24 questions or comments? If not, all in favor, raise your 25 right hand. 7-8-02 27 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 3 is 5 for the Collections Department. 6 MR. TOMLINSON: This request from Brad 7 Alford, Collections, to transfer $300 from Conferences to 8 Operating Equipment. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner Letz, 12 second by Commissioner Baldwin, that the Court approve 13 Budget Amendment Request Number 3 for the Court Collections 14 Department. Any questions or comments? If not, all in 15 favor, raise your right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 18 (No response.) 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 4 is 20 for County Clerk, County Court, County Court at Law. 21 MR. TOMLINSON: First part of this is to 22 transfer $1,365 from Court-Appointed Attorneys line item out 23 of the County Court into the County Court at Law line item. 24 The $4,000 part of this is to transfer $4,000 from Deputy 25 Salaries out of the County Clerk's budget into Special Court 7-8-02 28 1 Reporter line item in the County Court at Law budget. And 2 this is to -- to pay for a temporary court reporter for that 3 court in the absence of the court reporter. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner Letz, 7 second by Commissioner Williams, that the Court approve 8 Budget Amendment Request Number 4. Any questions or 9 comments? If not, all in favor raise your right hand. 10 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do have a comment, 13 Judge. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Sorry, Buster. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's all right. I 16 have just a comment. We have court reporters, particularly 17 upstairs, that salaries are as high as anybody in this 18 county, and it just seems to me -- I mean, this is an 19 age-old conversation, but it seems to me that they could 20 come down and fill in a little bit and help the County out 21 at times like this. Thank you. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think the vote was already 23 taken and passed. Number 5, Ag Barn Facilities and 24 Courthouse and Related Buildings. 25 MR. TOMLINSON: Okay. This -- this request 7-8-02 29 1 is to move $3,413.68 from Major Repairs out of the 2 Courthouse and Buildings department to the Ag Barn 3 Facilities Major Repairs line item. I have a late bill 4 attached to this to Benno's Electric for $4,747.57, and it's 5 for the installation of new light fixtures around the 6 outside arena. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So moved. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 10 Williams, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court 11 approve Budget Amendment Request Number 5 for the Ag Barn 12 and authorize a late bill and hand check in the amount of 13 $4,747.57 payable to Benno's Electric. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a question. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Questions? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I see Mr. Holekamp in the 17 audience. These were in the arena? 18 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir. What had happened, 19 we had -- it was a scheduled major repair in the Ag Barn 20 budget to replace those lights for the 4-H rodeo arena, but 21 due to a major leak in the Exhibition Hall, we had to repair 22 a portion of the exhibit center roof with that money, and it 23 was -- these lights had already been ordered, so it was kind 24 of -- I had to pay the roofing bill first, and that's the 25 reason why we switched it over. 7-8-02 30 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. 2 MR. HOLEKAMP: That was the reason for the -- 3 the over on that budget, because of the lights that -- 4 normally, that would have been a scheduled item. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other questions or 7 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 6 is 12 for the County Treasurer. 13 MR. TOMLINSON: Okay. This request is from 14 the Treasurer to transfer $3,000 from her Deputy Salary line 15 item to Part-Time Salary line item. I know she's paid -- 16 they had a temporary person in her office for a month or 17 two, and she -- she had paid this person out of the 18 Part-Time Salary line item, in the absence of her full-time 19 deputy. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: This will not create a 21 shortage in the Deputy line item? 22 MR. TOMLINSON: No. No. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 7-8-02 31 1 Griffin, second by Commissioner Williams, that the Court 2 approve Budget Amendment Request Number 6 for the County 3 Treasurer. Any questions or comments? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question. Why was there 5 excess in the Deputy line item? 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Because of Ada retiring 1st 7 of May. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other questions or 10 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 7 is 15 for the Tax Assessor/Collector. 16 MR. TOMLINSON: This request is per -- per 17 the Tax Collector to transfer $660.76 from Office Supplies 18 to Maintenance Contracts. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner Letz, 22 second by Commissioner Griffin, that the Court approve 23 Budget Amendment Request Number 7. Any questions or 24 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 7-8-02 32 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 2 (No response.) 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 8 is 4 for the 198th and 216th District Courts. 5 MR. TOMLINSON: First part of this is to 6 transfer $6,319.95 from Special Trials out of the 216th 7 court, $3,185 to Court-Appointed Attorneys, and $3,134.95 to 8 Court Transcripts. And then we're requesting a $72.44 9 transfer from Special Trials from the 198th court to the 10 Court-Appointed Attorney line item in that court. I have 11 two bills that are over 30 days; they're late bills. One is 12 to Roy Reeves for $500, and the other one is to Perry 13 Cortese for $625. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So moved. 15 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 17 Williams, second by Commissioner Griffin, that the Court 18 approve Budget Amendment Request Number 8 for the 198th and 19 216th District Courts, authorize a late bill and hand check 20 in the amount of $500 payable to Roy Reeves, and late bill 21 and hand check in the amount of $625 payable to Perry 22 Cortese. Questions? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My question is, Tommy, is 24 there a reason why we're so short this year in 25 Court-Appointed Attorneys in those courts? I mean, I know 7-8-02 33 1 this year, the special trials side, you know, we didn't use 2 -- we didn't have some of the trials, or didn't have some 3 big trials that we frequently have been having, so we have 4 the money in the budget, but I'm concerned as to -- is there 5 a reason there's so many more court-appointed attorneys 6 here? And you may not know the answer. It's obviously 7 'cause the judges are appointing -- 8 MR. TOMLINSON: I think the Judge could 9 probably answer that question easier than I. He's 10 experienced the same problem. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: A lot of that's due to Senate 12 Bill 7, which was the indigent defense, which requires 13 attorneys to be appointed earlier in the process than they 14 traditionally have been, so you end up with two or three 15 more proceedings that the Court's paying for than 16 previously. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That was that one that 18 was supposed to save us money, right? 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Right. And also -- 20 MR. TOMLINSON: There's -- there are funds in 21 Special Trials in both the 198th court and the 216th court. 22 That -- that account has been used -- budgeted for capital 23 murder cases. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 25 MR. TOMLINSON: And there hasn't been one, so 7-8-02 34 1 we do have money in those line items -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 3 MR. TOMLINSON: -- currently to be able to -- 4 to transfer. The reason for -- for having the -- that 5 account there was in order to be able to try to -- to recoup 6 some funds from the State for capital murders. We -- we've 7 found that there were so -- the restrictions were so great 8 on those that we would never qualify, and -- and so we've 9 just used that -- that budget amount for court-appointed 10 attorneys. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. I mean, I 12 remember, you know, the special trials, that we had so many 13 capital murder trials going on for several years in the 14 past. 15 MR. TOMLINSON: You know, the Legislature, 16 like, two sessions ago, approved a bill that would allow 17 some counties to get money back on -- on capital murder 18 cases, but one of the things that they disallowed was 19 attorney's fees. And, so, I mean, that's the major part of 20 the expense. Plus, you have -- one restriction is that 21 you -- during the budget year, your expenses have to be more 22 than your revenues, and that's rarely the case, and so we 23 just would never qualify. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We just need to, during 25 the budget workshops coming up, make sure that we address 7-8-02 35 1 the court-appointed attorneys that we've had. I think in 2 all the courts we've had a problem with it. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other questions? If not, 4 all in favor, raise your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 9 is 9 for the County Treasurer again. 10 MR. TOMLINSON: This is a request from -- 11 from the Treasurer's office to transfer $20 from Copier 12 Lease line item to Books, Publications, and Dues. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 16 Baldwin, second by Commissioner Griffin, that the Court 17 approve Budget Amendment Request Number 9. Any questions or 18 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 21 (No response.) 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 10 is 23 from Constable, Precinct 3. 24 MR. TOMLINSON: This is a request from 25 Constable Garza to transfer $2 from Miscellaneous to 7-8-02 36 1 Postage. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 3 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 6 Griffin, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court approve 7 Budget Amendment Request Number 10. Any questions or 8 comments? 9 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's the kind of 10 budget amendments we like to see. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: If not, all in favor, raise 12 your right hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: All opposed, same sign. 15 (No response.) 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 11 is 17 for the Lake Ingram Road District '01 Bonds. 18 MR. TOMLINSON: This request is similar to 19 the -- to the first one. We didn't budget enough for 20 service fees for -- for the paying agent on this -- on this 21 bond, so we need $470 to be added to this budget out of 22 surplus in this fund to pay the interest of $10,125. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Surplus out of this 7-8-02 37 1 fund? 2 MR. TOMLINSON: Yes. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 4 Griffin, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court declare 5 an emergency and increase the interest line item for the 6 Lake Ingram Estates '01 bonds by the amount of $470, with 7 the money to come from such -- from surplus in that fund. 8 Any questions or comments? If not, all in favor, raise your 9 right hand. 10 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 12 (No response.) 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Number 12 is 14 for the County Jail. 15 MR. TOMLINSON: This is from the Sheriff to 16 transfer $3,056.96 from Prisoner Supplies to Prisoner 17 Medical Expense, $1,168.60 out of Capital Outlay, $605.80 18 goes to Employee Medical Exams, and the balance of that 19 actually goes into Prisoner Medical. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Goes where? 21 MR. TOMLINSON: Prisoner Medical. 22 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Oh, yeah. So moved. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 25 Griffin, second by Commissioner Baldwin, that the Court 7-8-02 38 1 approve Budget Amendment Request Number 12 for the County 2 Jail. Any questions or comments? If not, all in favor, 3 raise your right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 6 (No response.) 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Any more 8 late bills, Tommy? Okay. At this time, I would entertain a 9 motion to waive reading and approve the minutes of the 10 Monday, June 3rd; Monday, June 10th; and Monday, June 24th 11 meetings of the Kerr County Commissioners Court. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 15 Baldwin, second by Commissioner Williams, that the Court 16 waive reading and approve the minutes of the June 3rd, June 17 10th, and June 24th meetings of Kerr County Commissioners 18 Court. Any questions or comments? If not, all in favor, 19 raise your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 22 (No response.) 23 JUDGE HENNEKE: Doesn't look like we have any 24 monthly reports to deal with today, so we'll continue on. 25 First item for consideration is Item Number 1, consider and 7-8-02 39 1 discuss obstruction to county bridge. Franklin? 2 MR. JOHNSTON: Yeah. What a difference a 3 week makes, huh? 4 (Laughter.) 5 MR. JOHNSTON: County has maintained Seago 6 Road since 1995. That road has a low-water bridge, and it's 7 been stopped up numerous times since then with metal sheets 8 and lumber, rock, various other items. 9 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Concrete bags. 10 MR. JOHNSTON: Concrete bags. County 11 maintenance crews always get them out, and then they somehow 12 show up again. I think one of the camps is using that to 13 raise the level of the water for their camping purposes. We 14 don't feel like, you know, our bridge's infrastructure 15 should be used for, you know, that reason. The Road and 16 Bridge Department has a duty to maintain that County 17 infrastructure. Adjacent landowners, I think, should not 18 place obstructions in the right-of-way. Using the bridge to 19 impound water -- it's actually impounding the water on 20 property that's not owned by the people putting the 21 obstructions on it, and I think that places a liability 22 on -- on those folks if the bridge is damaged or washed out; 23 you know, if they do that, they're probably liable for 24 replacing it. I'd recommend Kerr County should not allow 25 individuals permission to obstruct Kerr County bridges. 7-8-02 40 1 T.N.R.C.C. has been notified. They made an inspection; they 2 said a permit's required to impound water on the river. If 3 they wanted to do so, they would have to build a structure 4 on their own property, to have a permit, and to do so in 5 that manner. So, I think we need a policy to be able to, 6 you know, enforce something like this. I think you have 7 some photos in there that kind of show what's going on. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a couple of 9 comments, Franklin. I guess I'm disagreeing with you some 10 here. Your first item, obstructing County right-of-way, 11 I -- I don't see how they're obstructing County right-of-way 12 if they put something over -- or up against a bridge. I 13 don't -- I don't see that as obstruction. Impounding water, 14 to me, that's strictly T.N.R.C.C.'s call. I mean, what -- 15 it's none of my business if they back up water and destroy 16 the neighbor's property or whatever -- however you put that. 17 I mean, that's between them and -- 18 MR. JOHNSTON: I think my point was if it 19 destroys our -- our bridge. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, I agree with 21 that. I don't see that actually here, but -- 22 MR. JOHNSTON: I think that's Point Number 3 23 there. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. But, as far as 25 us -- Number 2, impounding water and all that, and back -- 7-8-02 41 1 backing it up and causing -- you know, that's T.N.R.C.C. 2 But the liability thing, I would think if it -- if there is 3 some destruction to our property, you know, I agree there 4 needs to be some kind of policy there, whether it be County 5 Attorney opinion or what. But we've been through this 40 6 times with that particular camp through the years, and I 7 don't know if we've -- the County's ever taken a stand or 8 what. I don't -- I don't know why this keeps happening, but 9 this comes up almost every year. 10 MR. JOHNSTON: I think that's what I'm asking 11 for, is the County to make a policy. Our guys take the 12 brunt of it; they're out there cleaning it up, and they get 13 harassed by the people that put the obstruction in the 14 river. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I guess that's what I 16 don't understand. What are they cleaning up? I mean, are 17 they -- 18 MR. JOHNSTON: I think our -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are they causing 20 something against the County? I'm not -- 21 MR. JOHNSTON: Well, it makes the water flow 22 over -- you have to drive through water at times. Other 23 times, it's just accumulation of debris in the river. And 24 our point is to have the water flow under the bridge. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me, I mean, what -- I 7-8-02 42 1 don't see this is any different than them coming up and 2 nailing plywood to the courthouse wall. I mean, it's County 3 property, and if they want to do that, they ought to come to 4 the Court and ask permission to do it. And then that's a 5 different decision. And maybe -- you know, I don't -- I'm 6 more indifferent on that, but I'm not in favor of -- of 7 anybody tinkering with County property, period. I mean, 8 that's the bottom line to me, is that it's -- if it's going 9 to -- if they don't want -- I mean, if they want it to be a 10 private bridge, they can do what they want. We can get rid 11 of -- take over County maintenance. But, you know, I don't 12 see this as, you know, different than spray-painting 13 something or doing everything else. To me, it's vandalism 14 of County property, and I think it's more -- you referred to 15 the County Attorney. 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Right. I was going to 17 say, too, that I think perhaps just a letter from the County 18 Attorney, if we can do that, to that person who is doing it, 19 saying desist and -- cease and desist, because you're 20 tinkering with County property and there's a potential for 21 damage for which you will be liable, and we have to expend 22 County work effort to keep it in good repair. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with that 100 24 percent. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So, does that require 7-8-02 43 1 a motion, for to us get it to the County Attorney? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think so -- well, 3 to me, you can -- I would prefer -- I mean, Franklin, I 4 think, has authority to, you know, refer it to the County 5 Attorney. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Yeah. 7 MR. JOHNSTON: County Attorney's been out 8 there and knows what the situation is. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And if the County 10 Attorney won't act, then come back to us, and that's a 11 different issue. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: So why don't you just request 13 the County Attorney to write a letter to the owners of 14 Harlan Hills and request that they no longer take advantage 15 of the County's facilities to create a lake for camping? 16 MR. JOHNSTON: Thank you. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Thank you. Item Number 2, 18 consider and discuss request to appoint Don McClure as a 19 reserve deputy. What happened to Constable Garza? 20 MR. McCLURE: I think he just stepped out. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: While we're waiting, 22 I've had a couple of visits with Mr. McClure on this issue, 23 and all he is simply doing is wanting to be a deputy 24 constable to carry his -- to carry his license so that he 25 can transport people for the Probation Department. That's 7-8-02 44 1 all there is to this. There's no -- there is no -- I'm 2 still going to finish my sentence here. There's no change 3 in county budget or anything like that. That's all. 4 CONSTABLE GARZA: Morning, Judge. Good 5 morning, Commissioners. I'm here on behalf of Don McClure 6 on the appointment as a -- a peace officer, to be allowed to 7 carry his commission under our office. Of course, the -- 8 that's all it entails. I have to go before the Court to get 9 that permission, 'cause the authority rests with the 10 government entity, which is the Commissioners Court. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Didn't we just do a 12 similar thing in Precinct 2 for Deputy North? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Second. 15 CONSTABLE GARZA: May I add, though, Your 16 Honor and Commissioners, I put it as reserve, but it should 17 be as a nonpaid -- as a peace officer license, not a reserve 18 license, 'cause he would be a nonpaid deputy. When I have 19 to turn in the paperwork to Austin, I -- it has to be as a 20 -- there's a form; I can show you. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Just tell us. 22 CONSTABLE GARZA: Okay. A form -- thank you. 23 It says either a reserve or a peace officer. Don would be a 24 peace officer license. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You would amend your 7-8-02 45 1 motion, correct? 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 4 Griffin, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court approve 5 appointing Don McClure as a deputy constable peace officer 6 under Constable Garza from Precinct 3. Any questions or 7 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. Thank you. 12 CONSTABLE GARZA: Thank you, Your Honor. 13 Thank you, Commissioners. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Item Number 3, consider and 15 discuss approval of an agreement between Kerr County and the 16 Kerr County Market Association for the use of the courthouse 17 grounds for bimonthly Kerr County Market Days, and authorize 18 County Judge to sign same. The document we have before us 19 has been drafted by the County Attorney and approved, and is 20 here for our authorization -- or our approval. Ms. Anderson 21 is here. Morning, Ms. Anderson. 22 MS. ANDERSON: Morning. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is the County Attorney 24 here? 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: Who? 7-8-02 46 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Motley's the big guy 2 with hair and glasses and -- 3 (Discussion off the record.) 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: Good morning. 5 MS. ANDERSON: Good morning. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Is there anything you need to 7 tell us about this? 8 MS. ANDERSON: I don't believe so. I would 9 like to just thank you for the opportunity for the market 10 and thank Mr. Motley for his assistance in pulling this all 11 together and helping us with some of the paperwork. Thanks 12 to Thea for facilitating some communications there. Just to 13 give you a brief update, we've had more than 30 applications 14 from vendors requested. So far, we've had 16 of those 15 returned. We have our vendor orientation tomorrow night, so 16 we're very excited. We're looking forward to a very 17 successful opening, good Lord willing and the creek don't 18 rise, as somebody used to say. We'll be keeping our fingers 19 crossed as far as the weather goes. Just one other thing; 20 we made an addition to the market this morning. We met with 21 the gentleman from the Red Cross. We've invited them to 22 have a table there at the market this Saturday to receive 23 donations to assist flood victims in Kerr County. They've 24 said that they -- they would be glad to do that. So, we're 25 looking forward to it. 7-8-02 47 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Fantastic. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's about as simple an 3 agreement as we could have. Looks good. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I move that we 5 approve the agreement -- I'm not sure about this word 6 "license," but whatever -- between Kerr County and the Kerr 7 County Market Association for the use of courthouse grounds, 8 et cetera. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 11 Baldwin, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court approve 12 the agreement between Kerr County and the Kerr County Market 13 Association for use of courthouse grounds for bimonthly Kerr 14 County market days, and authorize the County Judge to sign 15 the same. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, also, I'd like 17 to remind everyone that this agreement begins next Saturday, 18 July 13th, and ends on December 29th for further review. If 19 you remember that conversation, it's in here. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's correct. Any other 21 questions or comments? If not, all in favor, raise your 22 right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 25 (No response.) 7-8-02 48 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. 2 MS. ANDERSON: Thank you. Hope to see you 3 there Saturday. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: Next item is to consider and 6 discuss rescheduling the public hearing on -- public hearing 7 on the colonia study for July 16, 2002, at 6:30 p.m. 8 Commissioner Williams. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Judge, the other 10 public hearing scheduled for July 2nd had to be canceled 11 because of the heavy rains and flooding, which prevented the 12 Grantworks folks from coming down from Blanco County here to 13 conduct it, and probably some of our people from attending. 14 So, this is just a formal request to reschedule it 15 officially for July 16th at 6:30 p.m. That would be 16 advertised and conducted by Grantworks. So moved. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 19 Williams, second by Commissioner Baldwin, that the Court 20 reschedule the public hearing on the Colonia Plan and Study 21 for July 16, 2002, at 6:30 p.m., here in the Commissioners 22 Courtroom. Any questions or comments? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have a question. 24 Commissioner, exactly what is this public hearing going to 25 accomplish? On what -- 7-8-02 49 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's a requirement of 2 the State to finalize the plan and to get the funds for it 3 moving. One final public hearing prior to presentation to 4 the State of the revised plan, taking into account all the 5 input from people who attended the previous public hearings. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Is this the 7 final public hearing? 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: To my knowledge, it 9 is. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I would -- if we had a 11 vote, I would vote that this be the final hearing. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'd second that. We 13 ought to make that part of it, you're right. I don't 14 disagree with that at all. Let's move on. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any other questions or 16 comments? If not, all in favor, raise your right hand. 17 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 19 (No response.) 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. The next 21 item is to consider and discuss the approval and adoption of 22 proposed amendments to Road-Naming and Addressing Guidelines 23 of Kerr 911. Commissioner Griffin. 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: The Court will recall 25 that at our last meeting we talked about making some changes 7-8-02 50 1 to the guidelines to properly -- or more accurately describe 2 the address coordinator function. I've worked with the 3 911 -- several members of the 911 Board and with T., the 4 director, to come up with a -- a new document. Let me 5 summarize the changes. What this really does is address the 6 address coordinator function, as we talked about. It says 7 that that address coordinator will be a County employee, 8 T.B.D. where -- you know, where that person is going to be, 9 either temporarily or permanently. But it lays out the 10 functions for that address coordinating department or 11 individual, whoever that person ends up being. It also -- 12 we took out some of the things that were in the previous 13 guidelines that really no longer applied. They were just 14 informational things about why we do addressing and all that 15 sort of stuff, which is probably more appropriately now in a 16 separate document. But the guidelines now are strictly to 17 do with -- with the regulatory function of how you get 18 something addressed. 19 We've also changed the -- if you look on Page 20 4, you'll notice that the review, approval, and adoption of 21 the -- of the guidelines is a different -- has a different 22 flow to it now. The document would come out of the Kerr 23 Emergency Network, assigned to the entities, we sign them, 24 then they are effective for our entity. So that in this 25 case, for example, when the document is properly signed by 7-8-02 51 1 Kerr Emergency 911 Network and by the County Judge, that 2 these guidelines as written would then apply to the -- to 3 the entity. That gets around the concern that Jonathan 4 raised last time about, how can you change the guidelines 5 unless the Court approves it? So, I think this will make 6 this a nice flow. If we do have changes in the future, and 7 we certainly should and will, I'm certain, this will be sort 8 of the way that that will be handled. I know that, because 9 of the weather problems we had, you probably haven't had a 10 whole lot of chance to look at this, but if there are 11 specific questions, the -- the real guts of the document 12 have not been changed. That is, how do you determine what 13 an address should be? That still refers to all the same 14 things it referred to before. The only thing this has 15 really done is to -- to update the address coordinator 16 function. 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: Does the address coordinator 18 approve the new address? 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: The way it's read -- 20 the way it reads now is that the address coordinator will 21 assign the numbers based on information received from the 22 Kerr 911 network. This person does not -- does not go out 23 and survey property, determine what the address ought to be. 24 There will be preaddressing information that the coordinator 25 gets, and this, over time, will be updated, of course, by 7-8-02 52 1 Kerr 911. This person doesn't actually do the technical 2 work. The technical work's still all done at the Kerr 911, 3 but this person makes the assignments and the notifications 4 on behalf of Kerr County. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: I noticed in the definitions 6 section under address coordinator, it as says delegated to 7 approve, assign, and reassign. 8 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Because that's the 9 function -- the approval is actually by the Court, so that 10 is -- they are delegated that responsibility from the Court. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Taking information 13 produced by 911. 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Right. And -- 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Producing a document 16 that goes out to -- 17 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Exactly. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- the property 19 owner. 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: The production -- for 21 example, even the form says something similar to -- so if we 22 want to change the form and how somebody applies for an 23 address or how we notify them, that's up to the Court. But 24 they're given some samples in here and some examples of 25 similar kinds of things that they need in case there is a -- 7-8-02 53 1 a property that has never been addressed, they may have to 2 go out -- it says that if there's no data existing on it, 3 they'll have to go out and make a field trip. They do not, 4 the address coordinator. Then they would -- and over time, 5 this will -- that's not going to be a big function, because 6 you'll end up with a book eventually that has every property 7 in the state, and this is how the address was determined. 8 So, if somebody wants the address, you look it up in the 9 book and tell them. And, as the Judge put it so 10 articulately last week, in the first year we're going to 11 have to be getting a pig through a pipe. So, as the second 12 part of this, we need to talk about where the address 13 coordinator is going to be, whether it be a part-time 14 person, et cetera, and so on. But what I would propose 15 here, and what I've gotten an agreement from the 911 folks 16 on, is that if we will approve and adopt this today, 17 contingent upon their approval and signature with no 18 changes, then they will try to get an emergency meeting of 19 their board this week, get this approved precisely as 20 written, without a word change, and when the Judge signs it, 21 they can go ahead and start the process of those addresses 22 that we have right now. So, it will save us from having to 23 come back for another session on the 22nd and just delay for 24 two more weeks of getting things out. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My only comment is that I 7-8-02 54 1 would request that we table this until later in the day. I 2 want to read this carefully, because this is a -- it's a 3 pretty significant change, I mean, from the original 4 document, and I just haven't had time to read it, 'cause I 5 haven't been able to get to the office. But in the original 6 document, the address coordinator was 911. We delegated 7 that to them. They're now giving a lot of that back, which 8 I'm in agreement with, but I want to make sure that I 9 understand it before I vote on it, and I just haven't had 10 time. I mean, I have -- I think after the 10:30 -- maybe we 11 can meet a few minutes early for the 1:30 workshop. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: Take a few minutes. We'll 13 recess -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or take a break this 15 morning. I mean, 15 minutes, I think I can probably read 16 it. I just don't want to vote on something this morning. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I just wanted to ask 18 a question also, Larry. We have a two-part -- two-part item 19 here. It says also consider and discuss appointment of 20 address coordinator. That imparts to me that we're talking 21 about the appointment of an individual, but have we 22 developed a job description for that job yet? 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, I think my 24 thought is -- is that we need to get the guidelines approved 25 so we can know what the job description ought to be. One 7-8-02 55 1 comes -- you know, we have to know what guidelines we're 2 working through. If the Court doesn't agree with these 3 guidelines that we're going to have, then we're back to 4 square one, so I think we've got to get the guidelines 5 approved first, and then we can vote on the job description 6 relatively easily, because really it's in -- it's already in 7 here; the job description is in here. You formalize it, 8 take and put it on paper, sure, but we need to know where 9 that person is going to be. We haven't decided that yet. 10 We, the Court, haven't decided that. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay, thank you. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, I agree. I 13 don't see the importance of coming up with a job 14 description. This is not a permanent fixture around this 15 county. I mean, I -- we've got to put the -- what was it, a 16 pig in the poke or something? I missed that. I didn't 17 catch that one. But, it's going to be tough at first, 18 because they have -- they have -- they're probably going to 19 have to rent a truck to get all of it over here that needs 20 to go out in the beginning, but it's going to trickle down 21 to not much of a job. 22 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Right, after a while. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: After a while. And 24 I -- seemed like we're approving this thing as -- 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, then I think we 7-8-02 56 1 need to get the guidelines in line. If we know what we're 2 going to do, then we can talk about -- 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think the guidelines 4 address it. 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Why don't we just table this, 7 and we'll recess instead of adjourn at the conclusion of the 8 meeting. And then, hopefully before the close of the day, 9 we'll take up approval of the guidelines. Dave, anything 10 you or T. want to say at this point? 11 MR. BALLARD: No, nothing new. Jerry 12 described it quite well. 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Larry. 14 MR. BALLARD: Larry. I've been doing that 15 for about 20 years. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a good way to 17 pick a fight. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, he's worked for 19 Jerry a lot longer. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you being 21 substituted today, Larry? 22 MR. BALLARD: But I -- we're ready to hold a 23 special meeting to follow up on the activity of today. And 24 we don't have any problems with what's in there, I don't 25 think. And none of the other board members will have a 7-8-02 57 1 problem with it, but we have to have our board -- 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Thanks, Dave. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One question for Dave or 4 T. Are y'all going to try to hang around when we -- 5 MR. BALLARD: I was hoping you wouldn't get 6 to that. Can you give us a time so we just don't hang 7 around? So we could be efficient with our activities? 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Don't you enjoy this? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How long will Road and 10 Bridge take at 10:30? 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: Really depends on what you 12 want to do. 13 (Discussion off the record.) 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My preference will be 15 before lunch, so they can get back to the western part of 16 the county. I'm sure Dave doesn't want to stay in Kerrville 17 that long. You know, maybe he does, but let's say 11:30? 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Eleven -- let's say 19 11 o'clock. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 11 o'clock. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Let's move on to the 22 next item, then. Item Number 6, consider and discuss 23 holding a workshop to discuss creation of a Kerr County 24 Elections Department. Jannett? This is really your item. 25 MS. PIEPER: Okay. This is something that I 7-8-02 58 1 would like to see happen, is the creation of an Elections 2 Department. The first sheet that I passed out, that will 3 just tell you the election date calendar. That shows, from 4 October the 1st until December 2002, how busy we are just in 5 elections, so I think maybe it's time that we sit down and 6 talk about this. So, I'd like to get a workshop scheduled. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Didn't I see some of 8 the same material in the budget workup? 9 MS. PIEPER: Yes, you did. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Questions or comments? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question. 12 Elections, are they not a constitutional duty of your 13 office? 14 MS. PIEPER: But the -- but it also -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait a minute. 16 MS. PIEPER: Yes? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes or no? 18 MS. PIEPER: No. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No? It's not the duty 20 of the County Clerk's office? 21 MS. PIEPER: It is, unless the Commissioners 22 create a position. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand. 24 MS. PIEPER: Then the county election board 25 gets together and appoints an Elections Administrator. 7-8-02 59 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand. As of 2 this very moment, it is your duty to hold elections in Kerr 3 County? 4 MS. PIEPER: That is correct. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you. Do 6 you have just -- before we get into it, do you have a 7 bottom-line cost that it would cost our county to -- a 8 bottom-line figure, how much the cost would be to our 9 county? 10 MS. PIEPER: No, I don't. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: To develop a whole new 12 department? 13 MS. PIEPER: No. That's why I think we need 14 a workshop. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 16 MS. PIEPER: I mean, it could be that it 17 would be a good thing to create it, or it could be that -- 18 that that would blow it all out of proportion and it would 19 not be a good investment for the County. That's what we 20 need to sit down and talk about. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My comment is, I have no 22 problem talking about it, but I don't know that I have 23 anything that I can contribute to a workshop. I mean, it's 24 an issue that I need -- I don't know anything about what 25 your staff does to do the elections. If it's -- if you 7-8-02 60 1 think a department should be looked at, I'd rather you put 2 together a proposal for a department and what it will do at 3 that meeting, and then look at it, because I just don't see 4 how I could intelligently discuss it until I know what we're 5 discussing. 6 MS. PIEPER: Well, I can get some stuff 7 together; then at the workshop, then we can discuss it. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And, to me, rather than a 9 workshop, I'd just as soon do it during the budget process. 10 It's a budget issue. I think we need to reschedule your 11 time to allow for more time. I mean, my personal schedule 12 during this time of year gets so busy with budget workshops 13 already, trying to put another posted item for workshop, to 14 me, personally is difficult. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's why I asked 16 the question. I thought that that was intended to be a 17 budget discussion, because you included, I think, the same 18 material in your budget work. So, I don't -- I think that's 19 the time to do it. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me, to do -- why don't 21 we do it at budget? If we need more time, we can add it or 22 move Jannett to one of the end slots of the day so we will 23 run long. We can do it that way. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: We could always do that. I 25 think -- I think this is an issue we need to take some time 7-8-02 61 1 to talk about, because there's other people involved. I see 2 Paula raising her hand over there. Now, Jannett and I have 3 talked a lot about this. She brought it to me, and I said, 4 well, let's put it out before the whole Court and talk about 5 it, which is, you know, the way we do things around here. 6 It wouldn't involve necessarily any more people, because 7 basically what you would be doing is taking people who now 8 work on elections, segregating them -- 9 MS. PIEPER: Combining them into one office. 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- into a separate 11 department. What percentage of your time are you spending 12 on elections now, Jannett? 13 MS. PIEPER: This year, 75 percent, if not 14 more. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: And that -- if you have one 16 elected -- the elected official of a department that's as 17 diverse as the County Clerk's office spending 75 percent of 18 her time on one function, then the rest of the functions are 19 not getting -- 20 MS. PIEPER: Are either -- 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- not getting the 22 supervision that they should get. 23 MS. PIEPER: Are not done like they should 24 be. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: With the number of elections 7-8-02 62 1 we have in Kerr County, this is a topic that needs to be -- 2 needs to be discussed. So, I have no problem with sitting 3 down with Jannett and restructuring her budget workshop 4 this -- this coming week to put it at a time when we can 5 have an expanded period of time and talk about it, if that's 6 what we want to do, rather than setting up a separate 7 workshop. That's -- we accomplish the same thing. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask her one 9 question; maybe it will clear up some of my thinking. I've 10 always understood a Kerr County -- or an elections 11 department consisted of an elections person and -- and a 12 board of directors formed and -- 13 MS. PIEPER: No. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me finish, please. 15 MS. PIEPER: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Much like a purchasing 17 officer for the county, to where a board -- I mean, it's 18 kind of outlined in the statute somewhere, when you create 19 one of these departments, all kinds of little things that 20 cost a lot of money happen. 21 MS. PIEPER: No, sir. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So I'm off base? 23 MS. PIEPER: That handout I just gave you, it 24 talks about the creation of the Elections Administrator. 25 Now, there is a county Elections Board, and that's made up 7-8-02 63 1 of the County Clerk, the Voter Registrar's office, the 2 County Judge, the -- the Republican Party Chair, and the 3 Democrat Party Chair. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. My vote would 5 be to do it in the budget process. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Well, I'll just -- 7 Jannett and I will sit down and -- and work that out. 8 Paula? 9 MS. RECTOR: I just want to make one comment, 10 if I may. I'm rather disappointed in how this ended up on 11 the agenda, since I was not included in the discussion. 12 This impacts my office greatly, since it does involve my 13 complete Voter Registration Department, and I feel like I 14 should have been informed that this was even going to be put 15 on the agenda. That's my comment. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay, fair enough. All 17 right. We'll work a time out and you'll be fully notified, 18 Paula, as to what we're going to -- how we're going to 19 proceed. 20 MS. RECTOR: I would appreciate that. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Sure. Next item, consider 22 and discuss approval of an interlocal participation 23 agreement for the Texas Local Government Purchasing 24 Cooperative and authorize County Judge to sign same. This 25 document basically authorizes Glenn Holekamp to take 7-8-02 64 1 advantage of the Interlocal Cooperative Purchasing System 2 that's already in place, and which we are a member of 3 already. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This is an annual 5 event? 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Annual event, yes, sir. 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So moved. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 10 Griffin, second by Commissioner Baldwin, that the Court 11 approve the interlocal participation agreement and 12 resolution authorizing participation, and authorize County 13 Judge to sign the same. Any questions or comments? If not, 14 all in favor, raise your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. We'll now recess this 19 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court, to be 20 reconvened after the emergency meeting on the flood, which 21 is going to commence at 10:30, so we have about a 15-minute 22 break. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I heard you say 24 something to -- earlier, I mean -- to someone earlier that 25 we'll see you at 3 o'clock. 7-8-02 65 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: Leonard is coming back to 2 take the FEMA people out in the county at 3 o'clock to show 3 them the road and bridge damage. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Am I supposed to be 5 sitting here at this table at 3 o'clock? 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: We have budget workshops this 7 afternoon. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you are supposed to be 9 sitting here at 3 o'clock. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But not for the -- 11 anything to do with Leonard? Okay. I just wanted to make 12 sure, you know. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: There you go. 14 (The regular session was recessed at 10:17 a.m., and an emergency session was 15 held, the transcript of which is contained in a separate document.) 16 - - - - - - - - - - 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: We're going to recess the 18 special emergency Commissioners Court agenda, and at this 19 time, we will reconvene the regular scheduled Commissioners 20 Court meeting from earlier this morning. The topic for 21 discussion is the proposed guidelines on road-naming and 22 addressing. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think I got through it. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Questions I have, one, 7-8-02 66 1 this isn't related to the address coordinator issue, but as 2 I recall, several months ago, 911 authorized a -- a 3 different mech -- or a change where ranch properties didn't 4 fall within the requirements to be addressed. Is that 5 reflected in here? 6 MR. SANDLIN: Yes, sir, it's -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I didn't see it when I 8 was going through, but I was reading fast. 9 MR. SANDLIN: Let me find it on the new pages 10 here. On your new printout, Page 23 of 44, 605V, it says 11 rural complexes and compounds -- T. Sandlin, Kerr 911. And 12 that's for some of those areas -- well, I think it's 13 self-explanatory. 14 (Discussion off the record.) 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It -- it seems to me that 16 a reference to that section should be under Section 507. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And 507 is the category 19 that says roads requiring names. I don't think it needs to 20 remain; I think if you just somehow refer to it. 21 MR. SANDLIN: Well, the thing -- I think 22 what's going to be covered, if we don't have access to 23 that -- you're talking about the little spider of roads and 24 stuff inside these camps. Some of these we're just not 25 considering roads, because you can't drive a vehicle on 7-8-02 67 1 them. I mean, they've got some little paths and stuff, but 2 they don't meet the qualification of being a road. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. As I -- 4 MR. SANDLIN: I'm not -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm thinking of a 6 situation, as I understand it -- and I haven't read 5 -- or 7 Page 23 closely. As I understood it, if your ranch is in -- 8 a ranch with one road going in, one residence on there, to 9 make it simple, even though that road may be over a quarter 10 mile long, it did not -- you can address the gate entrance 11 for that ranch, and that's clearly a road and it's over a 12 quarter mile long. And I see how, under 507, to me, that 13 would require a name. But I can see, under 23, it -- it 14 doesn't need a name. I mean, I think there are a number of 15 properties that fall into it. 16 MR. SANDLIN: There's some we don't have 17 access to. When they say less than permanent roads, there's 18 one gentleman that's changed all the -- actually, it's 19 his business; it's his roads. He's changed the layout 20 several times, and we gave him a gate address. He'll go to 21 blah-de-blah-de-blah Highway 16 South. And then it's 22 however he marks the interior of his ranch; that's up to 23 him. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: When I read D, and then 25 I -- that's -- it's not qualified. I mean, D says clearly, 7-8-02 68 1 on 507 on Page 15, "A private, restricted road may not 2 require naming and will be treated as a driveway when the 3 road is less than a quarter mile in length and," you know, 4 easement to a single property. 5 MR. SANDLIN: Single property. That's 6 easement to a single property. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's "and," not "or." 8 I'm not trying to be picky. 9 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Since we're going to 10 reprint the thing anyway, how about on D -- 507D, begin that 11 sentence and say, "Except as provided in Section -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 603. 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- 603V." And then it 14 reads correctly. Is that -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That does it. 16 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That does it? Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Read D to me like you 18 just quoted. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: D says, "Except as 20 provided in Section 603V, a private, restricted road may not 21 require renaming." 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Treated as a driveway 24 when the road is -- blah, blah, blah. It just makes V 25 more -- and we can add that. That's not too terribly 7-8-02 69 1 important, anyway. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Now, turn to, if you 3 would, please, T., to, Page 10 of 44, Section 401. It's 4 referring to the -- the official map and road list. When I 5 read this, 911 is keeping that list. When I met with you at 6 your office, I thought that you wanted that to come back 7 into the address coordinator. 8 MR. SANDLIN: Oh, there's nothing -- that's 9 been that way since the beginning. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. The other question 11 is that -- and this is just a -- your map and Road and 12 Bridge's map is now the same. 13 MR. SANDLIN: We provide them with the road 14 information, the parcel information, everything we got, and 15 they have the software that's the same software we do. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The reason it's important 17 is because B says your map's the official one, and every 18 time I talk to Truby, she says that the maps don't jive. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: They should. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But you're saying that 21 they -- they do. So -- 22 MR. SANDLIN: What we provide to them for 23 what our road database -- now, if they're talking about 24 not -- not jiving with some of those old maps they have 25 posted on the wall, no, they don't. Ours are updated. 7-8-02 70 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. I just want to 2 make sure -- 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Jon, I don't see how 4 they could help but jive, if that's a real word. Now, 5 they -- I mean, I remember "jive" in the '60's and '70's, 6 but it doesn't meet here. But the -- if he's providing the 7 information and they put the -- I mean, it has to be. It 8 has to be the same. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I'm just -- I look 10 at the -- I refer to a road, and I don't call T. and ask him 11 to refer to the road, so I don't know. But I know that 12 whatever this road is that -- north creek, far east Kerr 13 County -- I'm not -- I just want to make sure that that road 14 finally has a name that both departments are using. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And these aren't new 17 roads; these are old roads that there's been some problems 18 in. And there's one of these, Cypress Creek Loop, that I 19 still don't agree with y'all on it. And you don't agree 20 with me on that one. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think Letz is going 22 to win that one. Y'all -- I watched y'all spar the other 23 day -- "spar" is a real word. I watched y'all spar the 24 other day. Letz is going to win that one. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, anyway, I want to 7-8-02 71 1 make sure that the mapping situation is where it needs to 2 be, in good shape, 'cause it's outlined in here. I had 3 discussed that a little bit. 4 MR. SANDLIN: We have that prepared in a -- 5 in another GIS set that we're prepared to give -- I don't 6 know how y'all are going to get it on your county server 7 system, but we can get that on your county server system. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Way beyond my knowledge 9 level already when we're talking about serving systems. 10 Address coordinator, which is the -- okay, an employee or 11 official of the county or municipality authorized and 12 delegated to approve, assign, and reassign addresses for the 13 county or municipality and to administer appropriate 14 sections. Okay. And the discussion after the last 15 meeting -- where'd it go? Where's the definition -- Section 16 609. 17 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: What page? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On Page 25 of 44. And 19 also 24 of 44. On Page 24, Item 605, the address 20 coordinator shall assign or reassign any street address or 21 street address elements in accordance with the preaddressing 22 information provided by 911. So, that in conjunction with 23 what -- with 609 on Page 25, is where we're saying that 911 24 is doing all of the -- 25 MR. SANDLIN: Background -- 7-8-02 72 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- work -- legwork, 2 whatever, and giving that information to the address 3 coordinator to give that person the ability to assign. 4 Okay. I just wanted to make sure. When I look at 609, A, I 5 have no problems with. But on B, upon specific or general 6 request of the county or city, 911 will assess and 7 preaddress unaddressed areas or areas not in conformance 8 with these guidelines. These areas will be assessed and 9 will be determined and coordinated with the appropriate 10 address coordinator. My problem with that is, what about -- 11 I don't see where we talk about change of address. And I 12 know I'm being picky on this, but the first one talks -- A 13 talks about subdivisions. B talks about areas not 14 addressed. I don't see where we're talking about when 15 there's a change. How is that handled? 16 MR. SANDLIN: And if it's not in conformance. 17 That -- if it's not in conformance with the guidelines, it 18 will require a change. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Why would it be 20 passed through to the administrator if it wasn't in 21 conformance? 22 MR. SANDLIN: We're saying this is the stuff 23 we'll answer and straighten up before it gets there. We 24 wouldn't pass the mess up to -- 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: The whole intent of 7-8-02 73 1 this, and the legislative intent, is -- is that the address 2 coordinator is an information pipeline for the Court. They 3 do not do the technical work -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 5 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- that is required to 6 get an address on a piece of property. That's done still by 7 Kerr 911. They provide it to the address coordinator, so 8 the address coordinator, acting on behalf of the Court, can 9 say here's what your address is. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Would what you just 11 said also apply to the last phrase on 201, the definition 12 that says that the address coordinator will also administer 13 appropriate sections of these guidelines? 14 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's right, because 15 there are sections in this -- in these guidelines that say 16 the address coordinator will do so-and-so. And -- 17 MR. SANDLIN: Like explain. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- it's generally a 19 passing along of information, and all that definition is 20 doing is saying, yeah, address coordinator is going to do 21 what it says the address coordinator does. 22 MR. SANDLIN: For instance, Mr. Williams, 23 assist -- I'm on Page 27 of 44, 802D -- 802E, assist the 24 public in complying with these guidelines. If they have a 25 question, they could call the address coordinator and they 7-8-02 74 1 explain to them the wherefores and the whys. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That individual's 3 going to have to really be on a fast learning curve, whoever 4 that person is, to be able to get on top of all these things 5 it's taken us 10 years to develop if they're going to assist 6 the public in complying. 7 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, they've got to 8 know how to read, 'cause they've got to be able to read the 9 guidelines. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That helps, for 11 openers. 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. They've got to 13 be able to read the guidelines. They -- it's -- I hate to 14 use the term -- it's not rocket science. It's just saying 15 that here's a book that's got addresses in it, and if you 16 come to me and I don't have a -- I'm the address 17 coordinator; you come to me and I can't find your property 18 in the book, then that means I'm going to go -- I'm going to 19 assist you. I'm going to go back to 911 and say, "911, the 20 book you gave me doesn't have this person's address in it," 21 so that the person doesn't have to go to 911. I do. I 22 go -- as the address coordinator, I go to 911 and say, 23 "You've got to do some more work to get me the information 24 so I can give this person the address." Plain and simple. 25 The address coordinator is not in the technical business. 7-8-02 75 1 Now, after a while, you're going to pick up some of that, 2 'cause you say, well, you know, it's every 52.8 feet, 3 there's a possible number and all that. I mean, if -- I 4 mean, you're going to pick up some of it, but that's not the 5 address coordinator's responsibility. The address 6 coordinator is acting on behalf of the Court to pass 7 information. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not as big a 9 thing as it looks here, I don't see. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And this person also, 11 while getting the pig through the pipe -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Pig through the pipe? 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, that's the one 14 Fred gave me, and I just can't get over it; it's beautiful. 15 But in getting the pig through the pipe, this person's going 16 to have to be on their motor scooter, 'cause they may have 17 to spend time here answering to the Court, you know, working 18 for the Court. They may have to spend some time at 911 so 19 that they can better understand what this information is 20 that they're getting. They may have to spend some time at 21 Road and Bridge, because there's -- hey, there's a little 22 question here about whether this road really ought to be 23 done this way or that way. So, maybe I can help in that 24 process. This is going to have to be a person who is 25 somewhat mobile, in a physical sense, because there's going 7-8-02 76 1 to be work to be done. Now, once the initial pig is through 2 the pipe, that will come down to a lot less activity. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Because it will be 5 more routine. Most of it's going to be in the book, and 6 this book's going to be pretty thick. Somebody comes and 7 says, "What's my address?" "This is what your address is 8 right here," or, "You're not in there." T., go to work, get 9 me the information. Put that in the book. Over time, 10 you'll have a big book that's going to have all the 11 addresses. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: One of the important 13 duties, and -- and I think immediate duties is a very simple 14 duty. How many letters do you have piled up over there that 15 need to get out of there? 16 MR. SANDLIN: There's 661 that there's no 17 question about the need to go out, and another 3,300 that 18 we're -- we were going to finish this last week, but we were 19 otherwise tied up. Another 3,300 that we're doing the 20 second check on the hill country -- the rural route matching 21 to the physical matching. We're almost through with those. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, see, right there 23 that's -- that's a pretty good size pig. But it's a simple 24 thing. I mean, all the things have been done. We're 25 talking about not a whole lot more than folding a piece of 7-8-02 77 1 paper and putting it in an envelope and getting it out of 2 here. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I don't think 4 it's that complicated, either. I think it's a pretty simple 5 task. I -- with e-mail, it might be one meeting for whoever 6 the coordinator is to go around and figure out everything, 7 or two meetings. But, beyond that, you know, the 8 questions -- a lot of them come in through Road and Bridge, 9 in reality, then get e-mailed to the coordinator, if it's 10 not in their department. And then it gets funneled to 911. 11 And, you know, it should be a matter of -- as far as you can 12 push a send button on the computer to get this information 13 to all the parties that need it. So, I mean, I don't -- 14 MR. SANDLIN: We're still doing the big part, 15 going out and finding these properties and who goes to what, 16 all that stuff. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's the little part; 18 we all know that. All right. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, I would -- 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Are we -- where are we with 21 regard to -- 22 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I will make a motion 23 that we approve and adopt the updated guidelines, as 24 amended, on the condition -- and authorize the County Judge 25 to sign same, conditionally awaiting approval of the 911 7-8-02 78 1 Board and the director's signature, so that it can be 2 presented -- and that's without further change. It will be 3 just as-is. Then present it to the County Judge for his 4 signature. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As modified? 6 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yes, I said as 7 amended. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner 10 Griffin, second by Commissioner Letz, that the Court approve 11 the -- 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And adopt. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Approve and adopt the 14 Road-Naming and Addressing Guidelines of Kerr 911, as 15 revised and amended this date, and authorize County Judge to 16 sign same upon approval by the 911 Board and the signature 17 by the chairman of the 911 Board. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: And -- yeah. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any questions? If not, all 20 in favor raise your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion carries. 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: There was a second 7-8-02 79 1 part to that agenda item, which I think we need to probably 2 address later, now that we've got -- we think we have the 3 guidelines. But that is, where is this address coordinator 4 going to be and who is it going to be? And I've asked for 5 some help in perhaps identifying potential part-time help, 6 early on. We probably need to think about that and -- and 7 next time we meet, make a decision. 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Is that all right with 9 everybody? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we also -- going 11 into that area, into what Buster talked about, about 12 figuring out the -- folding the paper and -- and some of the 13 work that I think we need to develop prior to that meeting 14 so as to get an idea of workload. And we need to also take 15 a stab at a -- I don't know that it's a job description as 16 much as responsibility. I don't need -- I don't think it's 17 a -- it depends on the route the Court goes, I guess, but I 18 don't see creating a position for this. I don't think it's 19 a -- really, right now, we're looking at just a to-do list, 20 basically what needs to be done. What's this person going 21 to be doing? Description of how that works. And if it will 22 require a change in job description down the road, that can 23 be done after the fact, I think, but I think we need to come 24 up with that. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: It depends on what we want 7-8-02 80 1 this person to do. If all we want them to do is stuff 2 envelopes and mail it, that's one thing, but if you want 3 them to field the questions from the person who gets the 4 letter and goes, "What is this?" that's another question. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, I think the 6 Judge touched on that. I think it depends on what we want. 7 And Larry, in his earlier comments, suggested that as we get 8 deeper and deeper into it, after we get done with the stack 9 of letters that need to be sent out, then you're going to 10 get into something, I think, a little more extensive, which 11 could require your time being there, your time being here, 12 time being someplace else in order to really get a handle on 13 it. And I -- which prompts me to think that whomever that 14 individual is that we hire -- I'm not sure it's going to be 15 part-time; it could be full-time for some period of time -- 16 that person might better serve the County by being out at 17 911 and reporting back to Commissioners Court. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Could be. Except we 19 discussed that a little bit earlier, and I agree with 20 Commissioner Baldwin's comments the last time, that that 21 person needs to clearly be, in the eyes of the public, and, 22 in fact, under the watchful eye of the Commissioners Court. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I agree with that. 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Whether that 25 physically means that the person could be elsewhere, fine, 7-8-02 81 1 but -- but if you have that person permanently at 911, then 2 when they walk through the door, they're going to say, "I'm 3 dealing with 911." And they are not; they're dealing with 4 the Commissioners Court when you're talking to the address 5 coordinator. So that was the reason we have not 6 suggested -- thus far, at least, we have not suggested that 7 that person be anywhere other than clearly a County 8 facility. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I understand that 10 need to clearly identify for whom and to whom that 11 individual reports, yes. 12 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So it's just -- that's 13 more of a -- that's more of a -- that's not the real issue 14 about what the person does, but I think it's an important 15 one, and Commissioner Baldwin raised it at the last meeting. 16 I took that to heart when we had our discussions about 17 redoing the guidelines. Maybe we don't want to put that 18 person anywhere other than, at first, maybe in a courthouse 19 office somewhere. Later on, it might be easier to move them 20 somewhere else, but -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm just wondering if 22 that person could run an election department. 23 (Laughter.) 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Maybe a little 25 purchasing. 7-8-02 82 1 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah, a little 2 purchasing. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Computer guru. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: Anything else today, 5 gentlemen? If not, we'll adjourn the regular Kerr County 6 Commissioners Court meeting, and we have a 1:30 budget 7 workshop. 8 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:46 a.m.) 9 - - - - - - - - - - 10 11 12 STATE OF TEXAS | 13 COUNTY OF KERR | 14 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 15 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 16 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 17 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 18 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 11th day of July, 2002. 19 20 21 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 22 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 23 Certified Shorthand Reporter 24 25 7-8-02