1 2 3 4 5 6 7 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 8 Emergency Meeting 9 Monday, July 8, 2002 10 10:30 a.m. 11 Commissioners' Courtroom 12 Kerr County Courthouse 13 Kerrville, Texas 14 15 16 17 Response to 2002 Kerr County Flood 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: FREDERICK L. HENNEKE, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 LARRY GRIFFIN, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 On Monday, July 8, 2002, at 10:30 a.m., an emergency 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: All right. We'll call to 8 order this emergency meeting of the Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court. It's 10:35 on Monday, July 8, Year 10 2002. Please note that the notice of this emergency meeting 11 was posted at approximately 8:15 this morning, so we have 12 complied with the two-hour requirement of the Open Meetings 13 Act. The topic for consideration is to consider and discuss 14 the response to the 2002 Kerr County flood. We've had a 15 description this morning of where we are, and a request from 16 Leonard Odom to go ahead and allocate some funds towards the 17 flood recovery. I'm not totally sure it is time to do that 18 yet, but that's what we need to talk about. That, and 19 things like trash pickup and -- and I don't know; I didn't 20 have a chance to get in touch with the County Attorney to 21 see if he could join us. Do you want to call and see if he 22 can come up and talk about the issue of emergency repair on 23 private roads? But let's just open it up for discussion. 24 First of all, I have basically any topics anybody thinks we 25 ought to -- anything we ought to do, anything we ought to 7-8-02 EMG 3 1 cover. I know that Commissioner Williams has got some 2 ideas, so -- 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, I encountered a 4 couple things, Judge, that I think I'd like the Court to 5 consider that perhaps we can do as part of an emergency 6 response. There are some folks I encountered who have flood 7 damage, water damage to their houses in the Center Point 8 area, whose water ended up being cut off, so they had no -- 9 no potable water in their home. And my initial response to 10 that was, you know, get whatever containers; you can go to 11 Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center, fill up your jugs, just 12 whatever you need, if you need bottled water for 13 drinking/cooking purposes. So, I'd like for that to be a 14 part of it. Secondly, also, people who -- whose homes 15 flooded, one of the major items we're getting rid of is 16 carpeting and other things like that that are totally 17 destroyed, and they have to get it out of their house. And 18 I know the landfill has been inoperative because of the 19 excess water. And when those type things, if ever, will be 20 picked up in the rural areas I don't really know, so I think 21 perhaps if there was a way we could encourage folks who can 22 load them up on a pickup or trailer to bring that type of -- 23 of trash to a point or a location on our grounds, that we 24 could subsequently pick it up and take it the to the 25 landfill when the landfill's ready to receive it. 7-8-02 EMG 4 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have a landfill 2 report that may help that. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. And also, I'm 4 not certain to what extent the Salvation Army and other 5 emergency agencies are dealing with furniture that might be 6 brought in, but, again, I think there's a way we could help 7 or encourage others who want to dispose of pieces of 8 furniture that are usable and can be given to folks. Maybe 9 we can establish a place for that to be brought in, and -- 10 and allow people to know that items of furniture are 11 available for nothing if they want to come pick them up. 12 Just some thoughts. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Anyone else? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think my -- most of 15 mine, as I mentioned earlier, deal with the access problem. 16 I heard another -- Ms. Golden talk about it, another 17 situation of not being able to have access to their house on 18 private roads. Now, while I try to explain to all of these 19 people that that is part of the problem of living on a 20 private road, is that you're individually -- or the 21 association is responsible for the upkeep of it, is what 22 authority we have to at least get access for these people; 23 not necessarily repair. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Judge, one of the 25 things that -- that a storm of this magnitude brings -- 7-8-02 EMG 5 1 brings into focus is, in some locations, the inadequacy of 2 storm water takeoff. We try hard. We work hard at it, and 3 we do from time to time make repairs or replace culverts and 4 whatever, but I know that -- that there are areas in the 5 county where the culverts and the bar ditches are 6 insufficient to take the water off of this magnitude, which 7 the County argument is, if this one is a 200-year storm, we 8 don't have to worry about it for another hundred years or 9 so. I also know that Road and Bridge is inundated with road 10 problems, but at some point in time, I think we should 11 seriously consider how we address those areas of the county 12 where there are sufficient density of homes where the water 13 runoff just isn't -- isn't being managed properly. One of 14 them that comes to mind is Thea's place. And I visited -- 15 not her home, particularly, but her area, the subdivision. 16 There are culverts and there are bar ditches, but the 17 culverts and bar ditches don't move the water out fast 18 enough. The net result of that is, it backs up into 19 people's homes. So, I think we need to consider that at 20 some point in time in our discussion with Road and Bridge, 21 and when we find them, try to do something about them. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On that point, I mean, I 23 think that the -- I don't know how far the county goes, and 24 I know that we had -- Thea may recall, several years ago, 25 '98, '97, somewhere in there, that -- that subdivision right 7-8-02 EMG 6 1 in that general area off 173 had similar problems. We spent 2 a lot of time -- must be '97 flood, 'cause FEMA was involved 3 about looking at that, and the -- the bottom line was a lot 4 of the residents didn't want to do what was recommended to 5 do, and that is 'cause it was -- you know, hurts their 6 property values. I mean, bar ditches had to be dug and 7 things of that nature. So, I think we need to address it, 8 but I don't know how you -- what role, if any, really, we 9 should play. If the residents come to us and are in 10 agreement and want us to get involved -- or association, I 11 think we should try to get involved, but a lot of these 12 people don't want us to be involved. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You're pointing -- 14 you're making a good point, Commissioner, and I think that 15 applies particularly to the subdivision called The Woods out 16 here. Those folks, for whatever reason, early on, their 17 storm water wasn't managed properly from the get-go, and 18 they have never conveyed easements for storm water 19 management to the County, to my knowledge, but yet they 20 continue to experience flooding in their homes. I had calls 21 at home as early as 6:30 in the morning from people in The 22 Woods, and that's a whole separate issue, and I don't know 23 how we deal with that. But there are other subdivisions 24 like the one I referenced that -- where Ms. Sovil lives, 25 where I don't know that that's the same problem. I think 7-8-02 EMG 7 1 the bar ditches are there and the culverts are there, and 2 they're just not sufficient to manage it, which is not 3 necessarily the case in The Woods. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, now, one thing 6 you need to remember is that we live in the hill country, 7 and water runs downhill. And there -- you know, and 8 particularly when you get this much water -- rain as we've 9 had, there is not a whole lot you can do about it. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I was going to say, 11 no, we can't. I agree. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You can't do anything 13 about that. And we come along and we put all those little 14 fixing things throughout the year; we fix this and fix that, 15 and virtually every time that creates something else. I 16 mean, that's part of the hill country -- living in the hill 17 country, you know. 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Well, to design it for 19 the amount of water that we got in this last storm episode, 20 I'm not sure -- first off, I'm not sure for any amount of 21 money that you could build a system that could run it off. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I don't know. 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's just an 24 engineering problem. But -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's just part of 7-8-02 EMG 8 1 living here. 2 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. And you can 3 always look at ways to improve what we have, 'cause 4 obviously you can always make some kind of improvement, put 5 a culvert in this particular place where water continually 6 backs up, but you're probably going to notice that in a 7 lesser event. You'll notice water backing up. That's when 8 you probably need to fix it. If you wait for this event to 9 tell you you've got a problem, you know, you're probably -- 10 you can't design a system that will handle this one. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: No, but this does 12 identify problems that you perhaps didn't know you had. 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: That's right. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Or that are 15 exacerbated by other situations in the same area. When the 16 State widened 173, they took the storm water from the north 17 side of it and channeled it to the south side of the road. 18 Both sides of the road will empty into Turtle Creek. I 19 don't know what was going through their heads when they did 20 that, but they created more problems on the south side of 21 the road. That's not something we can fix, but certainly is 22 identifying -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- to follow 24 up what Commissioner Baldwin says, every time you fix or do 25 something to channel water, you're making it worse somewhere 7-8-02 EMG 9 1 else. It's better to try -- the more you can spread it out, 2 the lower the velocity is going to be. Everyone may get a 3 little bit of damage, but no one's going to get wiped out a 4 whole lot, hopefully. And it's -- I think it's very 5 accurate that you have to be real careful when increasing 6 bar ditches and increasing, you know, culverts, because when 7 you do that, you're forcing -- channeling more water into 8 that spot. I think Commissioner Williams' point about 9 Highway 173 -- I think the Highway Department, you know, did 10 make a mistake there, just from my view, residents I've 11 talked to in that area. They did just that; they channeled 12 it. They took two streams of water, made one stream of 13 water. Whenever you do that, it gets worse, from what I can 14 see. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The landfill road 16 washed out and there was no traffic out there, and -- and 17 one of your constituents, but my trash hauler, called me 18 over the weekend; needed to get in. And so I called some of 19 my little City friends and they researched it, and they 20 report -- and they were just absolutely fantastic, by the 21 way, but their report back is that the road -- they've 22 opened up another road into the landfill this morning, up 23 near the sewer program, up in that area. Put in another 24 little road to go back in there, and they've hired a 25 contractor to rebuild the main road in, and that should be 7-8-02 EMG 10 1 open on Wednesday morning. So, the landfill is basically up 2 and running, even as we speak. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Going back to something 4 Commissioner Baldwin said, I don't know -- I think Glenn's 5 back here. I don't know what the schedule is of use at the 6 Ag center right now, but I know there are a number of 7 organizations that are collecting, you know, clothing and 8 maybe furniture as well, and I would be in favor of letting 9 them use the Ag Barn as a -- a location, St. Vincent De Paul 10 collecting clothes, kind of a dropoff point. But those 11 are -- I think they have to man it themselves, but if they 12 need a spot, I would -- you know, I think that's a good 13 central location where there is a large covered area. But, 14 Glenn, what's the booking use of that facility right now, 15 for this week? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, that's 17 what's going on out here with that truck and clothes. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. They may not need 19 anything more, but if they did need another covered 20 facility -- 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Or you take a -- 22 because this is here, and Salvation Army has clothing and so 23 forth, I was thinking about items of furniture that people 24 might have had in their garage, looking for the first garage 25 sale to get rid of, that could be usable to somebody else in 7-8-02 EMG 11 1 situations like this. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We could always use 3 Rusty Hierholzer's office; there's plenty of room in there. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: Glenn, what's the -- are they 5 booked out there this week? 6 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yeah, we have some towards the 7 end of the week, but there would be room in one or two areas 8 that we could have a secure location to place some stuff. 9 It wouldn't -- 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: I kind of made a little list 11 here -- thanks, Glenn. Potable water. Anyone have any 12 problems with turning the spigot on at the Ag Barn for 13 anybody who needs potable water? Glenn, is that going to 14 work out for you? 15 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir, that would be fine. 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: Just ask them to come between 17 8:00 and 5:00? 18 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir. Or make 19 arrangements -- if that doesn't work for them, to make 20 arrangements. We can make it work. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Debris removal. 22 Commissioner Williams has suggested that maybe we set up a 23 central place where people can bring stuff in the county. 24 We'll arrange to have it hauled to the landfill or -- 25 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: If the landfill is 7-8-02 EMG 12 1 open, you can get there -- if you can kind of bring it in, 2 you might as well take it to the landfill. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, that's true. 4 Now that it's open. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- the benefit, it's 6 easier -- well, certainly cheaper. I mean, basically, the 7 County's footing the bill to dispose of the materials, as 8 opposed to the individual. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause we have to -- 11 whoever takes it in pays, as I understand the rules. But 12 the other side of it, from a health standpoint, it's better 13 to get it in the landfill than all along county roads, 14 private property, or anywhere else, for that matter. And I 15 think, from a health standpoint, I would be in favor of 16 doing that, of having a collections spot for whatever, and 17 the County would just absorb it as a public health issue. 18 Because areas that I've seen, it's a problem. There is a 19 lot of debris, and that debris' going to -- you know, molds 20 and vermin of various types, and it's just a health problem. 21 And it needs to be gotten away from, you know, people's 22 homes and businesses. 23 JUDGE HENNEKE: Glenn, is there a place out 24 in the Ag Barn that you could -- could segregate a place for 25 people to put, you know -- 7-8-02 EMG 13 1 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir. 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- soaked furniture and 3 sheetrock and -- 4 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes. The -- the area where we 5 currently have that brush pile for burn, there's adequate 6 area there that we could -- that is accessible. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: It needs to be a place where 8 they can come up in and drop stuff off, Road and Bridge can 9 load it up and take it. 10 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, that's what I'm saying. 11 We'd have to kind of watch. I'd sure hate for them to come 12 in the -- in the night and just drop it in the road, but -- 13 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I was about to say, I 14 think we got to really be careful. 15 MR. HOLEKAMP: Got to be careful with that 16 sort of thing, because they may put it in the parking lot. 17 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: If -- unless you're 18 going to have somebody there to show them where to put it, 19 you'll end up with stuff that has been out there for 15 20 years piled up in the Ag Barn yard somewhere. I don't mean 21 to sound like Simon Legree, but that's just human nature. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that's true. I 23 think if you put a time limit on it, there's -- you know, 24 you can do it. I've had a lot of people ask me what they do 25 with the debris, and -- 7-8-02 EMG 14 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I have, too. 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think, again, that if -- 3 make it so that they either bring it between 8:00 and 5:00, 4 or make arrangements with -- with Mike or you for a separate 5 time. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And designate a 7 location. And to prevent people coming and dumping in the 8 middle of the parking lot, maybe you can close and lock the 9 gates at 5 o'clock, both sides, so they can't get in and do 10 that. 11 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: They'll dump it at the 12 gate. Again, I would just -- you know, what problem are we 13 solving with that? I think what the problem we're 14 solving -- we're trying to save people the expense of taking 15 it to the landfill. Is that what we're trying to do? Maybe 16 we ought to work out something with the landfill folks and 17 see if we can get a waiver of the -- get a waiver of the -- 18 of the charges. 19 MR. SANDLIN: Fee waiver. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd be in favor of that. 21 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I would much rather do 22 it that way than stack it up at the Ag Barn. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I would too. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's good. I like that 25 idea better, some sort of a voucher thing or something that 7-8-02 EMG 15 1 we could help absorb some of the cost. 'Cause I'm feeling 2 it's very, very expensive for private citizens to go dump 3 debris, 'cause it goes by weight. And, I mean, it's not 4 going to -- you know, people aren't going to do it; I don't 5 think they can afford to do it. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: No, particularly 7 those wiped out totally and their places, they can't afford 8 to do it. I think it's a good idea, waiver of landfill 9 fees, and make -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why don't we ask our 11 Administrative Assistant to trot in there and call B.F.I. 12 and ask them what they will do while we're sitting here? 13 MR. SANDLIN: Save handling the garbage 14 twice. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's a good idea. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Only suggestion that I 17 would have, Judge is, one, that I've seen already you're 18 going to end up with -- especially out in some of the areas 19 in the county where people have no way of getting that stuff 20 loaded up and even transported, and you're talking -- it may 21 be their entire house that's out there, walls and all. I 22 noticed yesterday City of Kerrville was running their 23 regular city dump trucks and everything else, helping people 24 around town using their own -- the City's front-end loaders 25 and that to help load this up and haul it out there in dump 7-8-02 EMG 16 1 trucks. I know Road and Bridge is going to be stretched 2 thin, but on some of that, it may be a lot safer and a lot 3 easier for the County if -- if they've got a lot like that 4 to be able to call somewhere and get the County to go out 5 and load that stuff up and haul it themselves -- haul it 6 ourselves. Otherwise, we're going to end up with it all 7 over everywhere, on the roads. I know that's a stretch, but 8 I just think in a situation like that -- sure, you may have 9 to get with the County Attorney and see if he can -- we can 10 legally do it, but in a situation like the one -- like Letz 11 said, it's a public health hazard. Two, it's a hazard to 12 everybody else, and just the same way on the private roads. 13 If they go -- just somebody's driveway, that should be up to 14 them to fix, but if they go to where we have had calls where 15 there's nine or ten houses in an area that we can't even get 16 to right now at the Sheriff's Office, even though that's a 17 private road, I think they could do some kind of quick fix 18 on that to help these people at least be able to get in and 19 out. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So if your deputies are 21 able to get -- 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: My deputies already 23 flooded one car out; I don't need another one. But just -- 24 you know, if I had the type of inmates in jail right now 25 that could go out and work, helping clean up some of those 7-8-02 EMG 17 1 roads, I'd be more than happy to do it. I just don't really 2 have that type of inmates right now. But -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I -- 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- I think the County, 5 in a situation like this, that it's an emergency, we ought 6 to do everything we can. 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: I'd like to see us be a 8 little more proactive. I'm not sure whether we should 9 contract with a private company to -- 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I've got a thought 11 here, Judge. I had a call from the Texas Workforce 12 Commission down here, Gaylyn, and she wanted to come before 13 the Court -- the call came in too late to get it on the 14 agenda. She wants to come before the Court and talk about a 15 new program they have which will give us people that they 16 can provide to do the work, and they pick up the tab in 17 terms of -- they pick up the tab. She'll tell us about it. 18 Maybe we should bring her over a little more quickly and let 19 her tell us about it. There is some potential manpower that 20 could be pressed into service to do this, and the Sheriff 21 brought it to my attention by mentioning that he didn't have 22 any. But, there's a source of it -- source of potential 23 manpower. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think I read where the 25 City's bringing in other B.F.I. trucks and that out of San 7-8-02 EMG 18 1 Antonio to help -- you know, what the Judge just said, maybe 2 contract with somebody privately to help these people. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: It's going to be somewhat 4 expensive, but that, to me, is the best service -- the best 5 proactive service. Maybe contact B.F.I. and say, what would 6 you charge us to come in here and -- and, you know, give us 7 "X" number of trucks for "X" number of days on a call-in 8 basis, to go out in the county and collect debris and take 9 it to the landfill. I mean, I -- I really think that this 10 could be a bad health hazard. I mean, I know the City 11 already has rats, based on the stuff that's piled by the 12 roads, which is one of the reasons they got the debris 13 pickup scheduled so quickly. So, I'm reasonably confident 14 we have the authority under the general public health and 15 safety to do that. I'm a little more questionable on a 16 reimbursement voucher type of thing. My suggestion would be 17 that we explore the notion of contracting with B.F.I. for a 18 certain number of trucks for a certain number of days, and 19 then establish a central call-in register, and people call 20 in and they get scheduled. "Okay, the truck will be at your 21 house next Monday between 8:00 and 12:00." 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- and I like 23 that contract even better. And some of it may be worthwhile 24 doing, but you have to -- maybe that you're only eligible if 25 you filed a FEMA claim. And that will keep -- I don't want 7-8-02 EMG 19 1 to get into collecting trash in lots of areas that didn't 2 have any damage. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And people that -- that 5 did have damage should file a claim. They need to file a 6 claim for their own purpose, and also to -- it helps give a 7 real number as to what it is. And I think that, you know, 8 that's a -- a way to keep people from abusing it. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Who's going to check 10 that? 11 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I started to say, you 12 know, you've got an administrative cost associated with it. 13 You've also got -- and you've also got to make a judgment on 14 whether some people at least have insurance. And if they 15 have filed an insurance claim, the removal of the debris is 16 included in the insurance cost. So, that -- if somebody's 17 going to have it done, that way -- anyway, you sort of need 18 to get that piece of it in. And I'm not negative on trying 19 to help get the stuff cleaned up; don't get me wrong. It's 20 just that there is an administrative burden here that goes 21 way beyond just saying call in and we'll come pick up the 22 trash. It's bigger than that. And as long as we address 23 it, fine. But, you know, I think we have to -- 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, I think we can over -- 25 over-administer the thing if we try too hard. I mean, I'm 7-8-02 EMG 20 1 personally more inclined to say, people, if you have flood 2 damage debris that you need to be picked up, call us. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: And trust the people not to 5 take advantage. Now, some will. And if we contract with -- 6 with B.F.I. to pick up flood damage and they go out there 7 and somebody's got a 1937 Studebaker -- 8 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I'll buy it. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: You know, if -- if B.F.I. 10 picks it up, well, you know, that's their problem, as far as 11 I'm concerned. But at this time, I don't think we want to 12 put the face to the public of questioning very hard whether 13 they're -- whether it's legitimate or not. People are 14 devastated out there. So, my suggestion is we authorize 15 a -- a contract with B.F.I. or a similar entity for 16 flood-related debris pickup, and set a specific time, you 17 know. I don't know whether it should be a week from today 18 or 10 days from today or -- or what. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think a lot of that has 20 to -- we need to have it, but it needs to be based on what 21 B.F.I. says. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I agree. Sheriff? 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: To even start cleanup. 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Do you all want to authorize 25 me to -- 7-8-02 EMG 21 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Work it out. 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- do that, or do you want me 3 to work it out and bring it back? Or just proceed with it? 4 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: We'll have to do 5 something, just for the cost -- I mean, just so we can cover 6 it. We can do that now or we can -- 7 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, we can -- 8 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: -- do it later. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's a budget amendment. 10 We don't have to put any money up front. That's a budget 11 amendment. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't we authorize 13 you to do it, and we're going to meet tomorrow on a budget 14 hearing, and we can -- 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's a workshop. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But we can -- 17 JUDGE HENNEKE: We can recess this. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Recess this and reconvene 19 tomorrow. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's a good idea. All 21 right. So -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That way we can know what 23 we're voting on, as opposed to just -- 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Right. That's good. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That way the press can be 7-8-02 EMG 22 1 here and know a specific phone number and what else they 2 need to do. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Remind me -- we'll 4 recess this special emergency meeting, and we can do that 5 for 24 hours under the Open Meetings Act. So -- all right. 6 We'll get some information on that. The issue of donations, 7 is everyone comfortable with offering the use of the Ag Barn 8 to -- do we need -- a charitable organization that needs 9 additional temporary storage space? Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think we ought to 11 emphasize things that are brought should be usable items, 12 not another way to get rid of their junk. Items that can be 13 used by people who are in need. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, I think if we put it -- 15 if we offer it to the charitable organizations, Salvation 16 Army, Red Cross, they'll be the screening mechanism. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's fine. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: We're not opening up the Ag 19 Barn for people to bring things. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: We're going to tell the Red 22 Cross and Salvation Army, if you need additional storage 23 space, we have storage space available. Private road 24 access? Did you get ahold of David? 25 MS. SOVIL: No, he was in court. 7-8-02 EMG 23 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: I just don't have an answer 2 for that one. I would -- to me, it's an issue of -- if you 3 could run a -- you know, just have to blade it, let people 4 come through, that's fine, but if you have to go in there 5 and repair a section of their private road, then I think we 6 have a different -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If you look back -- if 9 you look back at how county roads became county roads, at 10 some point, particularly in the hill country area, the 11 Commissioners went out and fixed a road so people could get 12 in and out because of flood damage. My family road became a 13 county road because of that, and I think most of them are by 14 prescription. I think that that is how that came about. 15 So, in emergency situations, I don't -- I don't see any 16 problem so that they can get in and out and get groceries 17 from the grocery store. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: As a matter of fact, 19 I think the most recent Attorney General's opinion dealt 20 with emergency situations in private roads. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: But there's a limit to what's 22 emergency. I think, again, if it's just a question of 23 making the road -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Passable. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- passable, that's fine, but 7-8-02 EMG 24 1 if it's impassable because there's a 20-by-30 washout, I 2 don't think that -- that qualifies as an emergency. It may 3 be impassable, but I don't think we should step up for that. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's a -- I mean, the 5 worst situation is the one that I mentioned early on, Peek 6 Ranch Subdivision. There's 20 -- I believe 22 homes out 7 there. They can't get -- they can't get across, and it's 8 about a -- I took Douglas over there just to get an idea of 9 someone who knows something about roads, what's it going to 10 take to get across it, and it will require a 48-inch culvert 11 and about 120 yards of fill. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Where is that 13 located? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Off Hermann Sons Road. 15 And, you know, and it's a -- it's a tough call. I mean, 16 one, we want to try to help the people who are out there, 17 but at the same time, it's -- they bought out there and knew 18 that they were buying on a -- you know, on a private road. 19 And I don't know if they have the means or not to -- to do 20 it themselves. I just don't know the answer to that. I 21 don't know that many people that live out there. The one 22 lady I talked to at some length, she liked -- of course, you 23 have to know this lady; her name's Gail Montana. She liked 24 the fact that the road is -- she was joking, but liked the 25 fact that it was washed out; it would slow down the traffic. 7-8-02 EMG 25 1 She could charge people a dollar to go across the creek. 2 Gail Montana has always been interesting to deal with. She 3 cuts -- she's the one of the barbers in Comfort. Gail's 4 something else. 5 JUDGE HENNEKE: You know, one possible way to 6 handle this is for each Commissioner basically to make a -- 7 a case-by-case determination. You go out, look at the 8 private road, then you go to Road and Bridge and say, "Help 9 them," or you tell the landowner, "I'm sorry," you know, 10 "this goes beyond what we can do." 'Cause I don't know 11 any -- we could refer it to Road and Bridge completely; then 12 they've got to make the distinction, or we can take it back 13 to this level or whatever we want to do. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- at a minimum, 15 I think the Court needs to have a court order to authorize 16 Road and Bridge to do some work, because I think they're 17 hanging out if they go out and use -- I mean, I think we 18 should be the ones hanging out, not the supervisor of Road 19 and Bridge. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think it's fair 22 to have them having to make these calls on the spot. I 23 think it's -- the Court should make it, and we're standing 24 behind them if they do it. And I'll make a motion that -- 25 to authorize Road and Bridge to use equipment to make minor 7-8-02 EMG 26 1 road repairs so people can gain accessibility to their 2 property -- to their residence. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Are they making the 4 call, or are the Commissioners making the call? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't -- I really think 6 them. I know it puts them in a little bit of a situation, 7 but, you know, it doesn't make sense to me if they have a 8 maintainer or a -- a large piece of machinery out on Hermann 9 Sons Road, for them to have to try to find me to get me, and 10 by the time I get over there, the machine may be 20 miles 11 away. And I think the reality is, they're kind of doing it 12 anyway. I mean, they're using their judgment and helping 13 people out, which they should -- I've told them, you know, 14 to -- I think they should be doing it, and bring it to the 15 Court. And, you know, and I think it's kind of being done 16 to a minor degree right now. I don't think we should 17 authorize -- at this point, my motion does not include 18 buying materials. It's only use of equipment at this time. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: Do you have a time frame? 20 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Should have a time 21 frame. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: A week to 10 days? Or -- 23 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Thirty days or 24 something. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd say within the next 7-8-02 EMG 27 1 week, ten days. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second the motion. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Motion by Commissioner Letz, 4 second by Commissioner Williams, that for the next 10 days, 5 that Commissioners Court authorizes the Road and Bridge 6 Department to use equipment, but not material, for purposes 7 of temporary repairs to private roads, to provide access to 8 people who otherwise do not have access. And the clear 9 intent of that is, if there's a back way out, they can get 10 out the back way, but if they'd just rather get out the 11 front way because it's shorter, that doesn't qualify. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. That's it. 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: Any questions or comments on 14 the motion? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Only comment, these are 16 minimum repairs to make it passable. We're not talking 17 about blading off the whole road or blading off the 18 crossing. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: If not, all in favor, raise 20 your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. Leonard had provided 25 us with the figure of $250,000 dollars. That's probably a 7-8-02 EMG 28 1 reasonable figure, but I -- I'm not sure I'm ready to sign 2 off to a number yet. What do you all think? 3 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: There's a question I 4 have, 'cause this came up in other flood occurrences and 5 all. We do get some credit for in-kind toward that 6 25 percent, right? 7 (Judge Henneke nodded.) 8 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: So, until we know a 9 little bit more about the size of the enchilada, I -- I 10 mean, I agree that this may be a little premature to put a 11 number on it, because we can always, on an emergency 12 basis -- if we've got to have some money in the pot to go do 13 something, we can always vote that, almost in real time. It 14 becomes almost a budget amendment. Is there a reason that 15 we need to establish -- is there a -- a real need to 16 establish a separate fund at this point? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- 18 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: I guess is the 19 question. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think there's a need to 21 establish a fund. I don't think there's a need to put money 22 in that fund yet. I think we need to -- I think everything 23 that Road and Bridge is doing, they need to separate it out 24 from the normal work for the County, and we should authorize 25 Tommy to set up a fund for that purpose. And we will fund 7-8-02 EMG 29 1 that fund later. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I like that idea, 3 because I've been told that there are avenues for grant 4 money to help counties offset their match in situations like 5 this. I think we need to explore that, as well. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: I think we can just authorize 7 Tommy -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To set up a 2002 flood 9 fund for flood repairs. 10 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Expense those items -- 11 go ahead and expense them against that fund. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're sure that 13 there's not a line item already in there? They are -- 14 MS. SOVIL: You have one; it's Flood Control. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, we may need to -- 16 that's kind of a generic one. We might need to -- I'll talk 17 to Tommy, and if he's comfortable with Flood Control, that's 18 fine. Otherwise, we can set up a specific item for this. 19 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Might make it easier 20 to account for the FEMA purposes and others if it were all 21 in a separate fund. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's true. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Keep this event separate. 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah. 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: Can anyone think of anything 7-8-02 EMG 30 1 else that we need to address? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, Judge. At some 3 point, I think that you need to -- you met with the FEMA 4 folks last week, and what is -- I was hoping we'd get that 5 done today. What is their charge to us? I mean, what is it 6 they want us, as Commissioners Court, to be doing out in the 7 county? Obtaining information for them? 8 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. I was going to get to 9 that in a little while. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, sorry. 11 JUDGE HENNEKE: I'll give you your nickel 12 later; you picked up on the cue well. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's gone up to 7 14 cents. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: I've met with FEMA three 16 times, I think. I met with -- first, I met Thursday with 17 the state disaster coordinator for this area who came 18 through, and then Friday I met with the FEMA team, and the 19 FEMA team is back today. And, as we all know, Kerr 20 County -- you know, 12 other counties have been declared 21 federal disasters, which means we're eligible for -- for our 22 purposes, for up -- up to 75 percent of the cost of the 23 flood event to the public, as far as the Commissioners 24 Court, which means we'll have to come up with the 25 percent 25 match, and some of that can be in-kind. And Commissioner 7-8-02 EMG 31 1 Williams has got some information about where we might be 2 able to actually tap into some state money for the remainder 3 of the funds. I've given you all a copy of the disaster 4 summary outline, D.S.O., that we submitted on Friday, I 5 think it was, with the information that Leonard provided. 6 It was an initial estimate, I think. It's not substantially 7 low, but I think it's low. 8 As far as residential damage, the FEMA team 9 on Friday satisfied themselves that there was sufficient 10 residential damage to qualify for the assistance programs, 11 so we don't actually have to prove residential damage in the 12 county for FEMA. But I think it would be a good idea still 13 if we identified and mapped those areas in the county that 14 suffered damage, because, for one thing, that will enable us 15 to plan or think at least about the future, because the 16 damage tends to be repeated in the same areas. Flood 17 doesn't find a new area to destroy; it goes back to where 18 it's been successful before. So, I think -- still think 19 that's an exercise we ought to do. As Leonard showed us 20 this morning, we prepared this map of the road and bridge 21 damage with the help of the city GIS people. The FEMA team 22 is back today. They're meeting with the City at 1 o'clock 23 to go and look at infrastructure problems. The City has 24 substantial infrastructure problems; they lost some water 25 lines, they lost some sewer lines. And the FEMA team is 7-8-02 EMG 32 1 scheduled to be here at 3 o'clock to go out and look at the 2 damage to their road and bridge structure, and Leonard's 3 going to come back, take them around. He's the one who 4 knows where everybody is; he can show them the magnitude of 5 what we're talking about. 6 Leonard's initial estimate was $1.2 million 7 worth of damage out in the county. The Sheriff gave me an 8 estimate of $60,000 for overtime and damage to his vehicles 9 as a result of the events. So, it's been -- it's been 10 considerable. And I guess the good news is, as opposed to 11 the fire of almost two years ago where we have yet to have 12 the first meeting with anybody, the feds are here and they 13 say they want to help us. So, hopefully we'll get some 14 things up and rolling and hurried. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would -- just a 16 comment. I would encourage, like I mentioned earlier, 17 anyone who has had any kind of damage to file a claim with 18 FEMA. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: That's good. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: FEMA -- and I just -- I 21 was amazed. In '97 we had a big flood in eastern Kerr 22 County, and my residence was damaged quite a bit. Their 23 response is phenomenal, I think. I mean, if it's your 24 residence and you're -- you have some problems, they're 25 there to help, and they help very fast. Also, not to be 7-8-02 EMG 33 1 uncomplimentary when they come to businesses, but if it's 2 your residence where you live, they're there to make sure 3 you're assisted very, very quickly. So, I would really 4 encourage anyone to file a claim with FEMA. It doesn't take 5 that long, and they give you a code. Usually it's one 6 meeting. I believe that they'll come out and do an 7 assessment and give you the paperwork, and many times you'll 8 have a check very -- within a week. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, the papers have been 10 very good about publishing the FEMA 800-number. And there 11 were some initial glitches; the disaster declaration came 12 out before the FEMA people knew about it, and there was a 13 few hours where people were calling FEMA and the FEMA people 14 were saying, "We don't know anything about you." But 15 they've got it corrected now, and they are taking names and 16 they will be contacting people. Other relief, the Salvation 17 Army and Red Cross have cleaning kits for people who want to 18 try to work on their damage. Clothing's available right out 19 here from the Seventh Day Adventist. Food and shelter is 20 available from the Red Cross at the First Presbyterian 21 Church, and there is a disaster relief fund set up -- I 22 think one at the Salvation Army and one through the Bank of 23 the Hills. So, there are avenues for people to help. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Only correction I'd 25 have, Judge, is, thank goodness, in reevaluating our damages 7-8-02 EMG 34 1 with the Sheriff's Office vehicles and overtime, it's 2 probably actually dropped to about $40,000. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. We did have damage 4 here in the courthouse from some leaks, and we had damage 5 out at the Ag Extension Office, where water got up into the 6 office. That's the only county facilities that I'm aware 7 of. And a car -- well, that's -- 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'm not including our 9 building leaks. We had some -- some pretty good leaks out 10 there in that building. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, leaks to private 12 residences -- we're talking about leaks? You're not -- it's 13 not necessarily just the river rising and getting into a 14 home. It could be a lot of rainwater just coming down a 15 driveway into a home and any kind of water damage, huh? 16 JUDGE HENNEKE: I would encourage anybody who 17 had water damage resulting from, you know, the rains of the 18 last 10 days to file a claim. FEMA may come out and say no, 19 that was just a lot of rain and, you know, it doesn't 20 qualify, but if you don't ask, you don't get. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. So, what's 22 that 800-number? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 800-621-FEMA. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is it really? Oh, 25 that Letz is good, isn't he? 7-8-02 EMG 35 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: What is it? 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: 621-FEMA. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 621-FEMA. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: Do you have any questions? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, question -- I had 6 two, actually. Looking at the report, I don't see a 7 category for other property, and I'm thinking of the 10 8 airplanes that were damaged. 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Well, we didn't know about 10 those. Now, those would be included under others. And this 11 one doesn't show the Kerrville Little League. The City 12 thought it was theirs, and that's going to be corrected in 13 the next one, but it was listed on the City's -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 15 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- submission. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The other question I 17 have, what is the status -- and I just don't remember. How 18 does the ag declaration -- disaster declaration differ from 19 the one we got already, or does it? And the question comes 20 in, fences, ranch roads, things of that nature. As I 21 recall, I know they're covered somehow, but I -- 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: It's a separate declaration. 23 I had a phone call last week -- I think it was Friday -- 24 from a farm service agent. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Joe Franklin, uh-huh. 7-8-02 EMG 36 1 JUDGE HENNEKE: And he said he was working on 2 the report, and we probably need to call him this morning, 3 because he was going to e-mail me a copy and my computer 4 went down on Friday. But that -- it's a different disaster 5 declaration; it's a different fund. But, yeah, I think they 6 would make people eligible for fence damage repair, for crop 7 damage. I'm sure we had some crops go down. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause there was, I 9 guess, lots of questions about that, and, you know, we need 10 to follow up as to where that declaration is. 'Cause, I 11 mean, I remember it being separate. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: We want to encourage people 13 who have damage out in the county to structures that may or 14 may not have been in the floodplain or floodway to contact 15 the County's Floodplain Administrator, Stuart Barrons. 16 What's the best phone number, Stuart? 17 MR. BARRON: 896-5445. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Say again? 19 MR. BARRON: 896-5445. 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: At no cost, Stuart will go 21 out and make a determination as to whether or not the 22 location of the structure is in the floodplain. This 23 becomes important because of what's called a 50-percent 24 rule. Under FEMA regulations, if a structure that's located 25 in the floodplain has -- has had cumulative damage from a 7-8-02 EMG 37 1 flood of more than 50 percent of the value of the structure, 2 they're not supposed to be able to rebuild, and so it 3 becomes important for purposes of people who've had damage 4 and are interested in rebuilding. And, you know, that 5 sounds to me like a harsh, bureaucratic imposition on 6 people, but we're kind of caught in a catch-22. If you 7 don't do that, then you call into question your flood 8 insurance program. And, by state law, the County's required 9 to have a flood insurance program, so it kind of goes around 10 this way. So, anyone out in the county who's had damage to 11 their structure, if they have any questions about whether 12 it's in the floodplain, contact Stuart. He'll go out and 13 make a determination. Stuart is also the one who's charged 14 with assessing the damage with regard to the 50-percent 15 rule. Is that right, Stuart? 16 MR. BARRON: On houses that have not been 17 insured, yes, sir. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Houses that have not been 19 insured, right. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Excuse me. 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Go ahead. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does Leonard's number 23 include private roads? 24 JUDGE HENNEKE: No. He's gone -- these are 25 only County maintained roads. 7-8-02 EMG 38 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, private roads would 2 be in the other -- 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I would -- I 5 would think that number would certainly equal the County's. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: Probably. I gave each of you 7 a flyer about a public assistance information meeting 8 Tuesday, July 9, 2002, from 10:00 to 12:00 in the morning at 9 the Alamodome, Meeting Room N. I can't attend. I don't 10 know if anyone feels that it would be a good idea to go or 11 not, but that information has been provided to each of you. 12 That's what I know today. Does anyone have any other 13 information or any questions? Stuart, do you have anything 14 else? 15 MR. BARRON: I had a comment, that we may 16 want to -- the Court, if they wish, they -- they might like 17 to contact Bandera County to see how their landfill is 18 doing. With Kerr County doing like it is, as bad as some of 19 the surrounding counties are, some of them may not have 20 access to the landfill, and, you know, it is a health 21 problem. It may help us out in the future when the 22 Guadalupe's up in Medina and such. So, if the Court would 23 feel -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Isn't there a policy 25 right now that only county residents can use the Kerr County 7-8-02 EMG 39 1 landfill? 2 JUDGE HENNEKE: Yes. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think so. 4 MR. BARRON: Usually that is the policy, yes, 5 sir. 6 JUDGE HENNEKE: I might check with the City 7 and see whether we can help Bandera or not. Anything else? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Create -- you're going 9 to talk to the Auditor about creating this fund line? 10 JUDGE HENNEKE: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That they're not 12 putting any money in it till -- 13 JUDGE HENNEKE: We're going to recess today 14 instead of adjourn, so we can report back tomorrow the 15 B.F.I. report. We can always revisit that issue if we need 16 to. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very good. 18 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. If there's nothing 19 else, we will stand in recess of this -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well -- 21 JUDGE HENNEKE: Go ahead, Buster. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're not going to do 23 this one? 24 COMMISSIONER GRIFFIN: Yeah, we got to 25 revisit this one. 7-8-02 EMG 40 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's right, I'm 2 sorry. We're off to another meeting. 3 JUDGE HENNEKE: Recess this emergency 4 Commissioners meeting, and -- Jonathan, do you want to -- 5 Glenn? 6 MR. HOLEKAMP: The only question I have is, 7 are we prohibited from starting the cleanup, even though the 8 FEMA thing may be in play? 'Cause -- 9 JUDGE HENNEKE: Not the cleanup. 10 MR. HOLEKAMP: -- two of the buildings 11 that -- County buildings that I'm in the process of trying 12 to get them to where we can get those people back into them 13 before the mold starts. 14 JUDGE HENNEKE: Not cleanup. Don't -- we 15 take pictures. You can't do any repair in the sense of 16 structural repair, but cleanup, as far as taking out the 17 trash and -- 18 MR. HOLEKAMP: And the mud out of there, that 19 sort of thing? 20 JUDGE HENNEKE: Take pictures first. 21 MR. HOLEKAMP: Okay. We did that. 22 JUDGE HENNEKE: Yeah, legal -- 23 MR. HOLEKAMP: But it's not a problem to 24 start? 25 JUDGE HENNEKE: No, not a problem to start 7-8-02 EMG 41 1 the cleanup. But to start knocking out walls and things 2 like that, then -- 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 4 JUDGE HENNEKE: -- then we may not be 5 qualified on that. 6 MR. HOLEKAMP: All right, that will be fine. 7 MR. BARRON: That brings up another point. 8 If y'all put it in the paper, if somebody feels that they do 9 have what Team A considers "substantial damage," do not 10 start repairing their property until it's been assessed, 11 'cause they will not get reimbursed if it's been repaired. 12 JUDGE HENNEKE: Okay. All right. Then we'll 13 adjourn the special emergency Commissioners Court -- 14 MS. ALFORD: I thought you were recessing. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, there's a 16 question. 17 MS. ALFORD: I thought you were going to 18 recess this one. 19 JUDGE HENNEKE: You're right. I said 20 "recess," didn't I? We're going to recess the special 21 emergency Commissioners Court agenda, and at this time we 22 will reconvene the regular scheduled Commissioners Court 23 meeting from earlier this morning. 24 (Special emergency meeting recessed at approximately 11:15 a.m.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 7-8-02 EMG 42 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 23rd day of July, 2002. 8 9 10 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 11 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 12 Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 7-8-02 EMG