1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Tuesday, February 1, 2005 11 10:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 DAVE NICHOLSON, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X February 1, 2005 2 PAGE 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 3 4 1.1 Consider and discuss Banking Agreements with First National Bank Omaha for partnership with 5 Kerr County and Mutual of Omaha and sign same 4 6 1.2 Consider awarding bid for Gradall(s) 6 7 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action concerning remodeling of lower level of courthouse 8 to accommodate County Attorney 7 9 1.4 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action on candidates/applicants for Information Technology 10 Specialist Position 14 11 --- Adjourned 22 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 10:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in the 3 Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, Kerrville, 4 Texas, and the following proceedings were had in open court: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Let me call to order the 7 special Commissioners Court meeting of Kerr County 8 Commissioners Court scheduled for this time and date, 9 Tuesday, February 1, 2005, at 10 a.m. I have on the agenda 10 a visitors' input provision. Is there any member of the 11 audience or the public that wishes to be heard on a matter 12 that's not listed on the agenda? Any member of the public 13 that wishes to be heard? Seeing no one moving forward, 14 we'll move on to the next item, consideration -- first the 15 Commissioners' comments, I suppose. Do you have any 16 comments, Commissioner Baldwin? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir. It's cold. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Commissioner 19 Williams? 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Two more days and the 21 cast comes off. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Three? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm still a little under 24 the weather, but I'm making it. I'm on antibiotics finally. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Four? 2-1-05 4 1 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Doctor said I was 2 going to live at least six more months, so I'm going to go 3 ahead and get new glasses. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Seems like we got a 5 great deal of interest generated this morning. I can't top 6 any of those. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That would be the 8 medical report for today. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah. To the 10 disappointment of some, I'm still alive, but let's move on 11 to the consideration agenda. Item Number 1, consider and 12 discuss the banking agreements with First National Bank of 13 Omaha for partnership with Kerr County and Mutual of Omaha, 14 and signing of same. This was a matter that was on a 15 previous agenda; it was carried forward. Ms. Nemec? 16 MS. NEMEC: This agreement, I did give it to 17 our County Attorney for review, and he did review it, and I 18 think everything in there is pretty standard language. And 19 the reason for opening up this account is to pay our claims. 20 As they request claims to be paid, I will transfer money 21 from our insurance account into this bank account to pay the 22 claims. So, if that could be signed today, I'd -- I'll 23 overnight it to them so we can begin paying our claims. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, the way it works is 25 that the claim gets filed, they look at it, figure out what 2-1-05 5 1 they're going to pay, they'll tell you the amount, and then 2 you just send that amount of money in? 3 MS. NEMEC: They'll send me a hard copy so I 4 can keep it for my records as backup, and then I'll wire 5 transfer that amount into this account, and then they'll cut 6 the checks out of this account to pay those claims. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Did we have a similar 8 arrangement with -- 9 MS. NEMEC: Same exact thing. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And have a bank 11 account for that as well? 12 MS. NEMEC: Right. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And these folks just 14 prefer it being in Omaha? Is that the deal? 15 MS. NEMEC: Well, they prefer it being 16 with -- First National Bank is the bank that they're using. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: In Omaha? 18 MS. NEMEC: Bank -- right. That bank that we 19 used to use before was Bank of America. And it's just up to 20 our third-party administrator, whatever bank they're used to 21 dealing with. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: County Attorney has 23 looked at the -- have you looked at the agreement? 24 MR. EMERSON: I did look at the agreement, 25 and it's standard boilerplate bank language, and I didn't 2-1-05 6 1 see anything out of the ordinary. And if you did want to 2 change something, the only thing you would look at would be 3 the indemnification. And if you change anything, then the 4 bank won't deal with you, so... 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 8 approval of the agenda item. Any further question or 9 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 10 your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. The 15 next item on the agenda is consider awarding bids for a 16 Gradall. Mr. Odom? 17 MR. ODOM: Thank you, Judge. Last week we 18 opened the bids, and I looked at that. I'm coming back to 19 recommend that -- and you see the supporting documents that 20 shows the amount of revenue that I have -- that I would 21 accept the bid -- that the Court would accept the bid from 22 Excel Machinery for two Gradalls for $35,000. And I show 23 how I can pay for it and still have $786 left, without 24 hurting my budget. I recommend that we accept that bid for 25 two Gradalls, $35,000. 2-1-05 7 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 2 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I second. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 4 approval of the request of Road and Bridge Administrator. 5 Any questions or discussions about the motion? All in favor 6 of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Thank 11 you very much, Mr. Odom. 12 MR. ODOM: Thank you, Judge. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Leonard? 14 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's supposed to be icy 16 in the morning, so just -- 17 MR. ODOM: Huh? Supposed to be icy in the 18 morning? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: See if the Gradalls -- 20 MR. ODOM: I will park those in the yard. 21 I'll tell them to leave them in Amarillo right now. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: The next item on the agenda is 23 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action concerning 24 remodeling of lower level of courthouse to accommodate 25 County Attorney, Mr. Emerson. Mr. Holekamp, I think this is 2-1-05 8 1 a -- a joint matter, I think, isn't it? 2 MR. EMERSON: That's correct. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. 4 MR. EMERSON: As this Court's well aware, we 5 have one attorney that does not have a private office at 6 all. Makes it almost impossible for her to meet with 7 protective order clients, police officers or anybody else. 8 Furthermore, Rosa Lavender, who this Court appointed as 9 Crime Victims' Coordinator through our office, is in the old 10 part of the basement in a completely separate part of the 11 courthouse, and it would be more efficient for the operation 12 of our office, and therefore for the taxpayers, if we could 13 consolidate them. And I've talked to Mr. Holekamp, and we 14 have a rough plan for what to do with it, the available 15 space that's down there. And I believe -- my understanding 16 is that the money's in the budget to take care of it. Do 17 you want to go ahead and -- 18 MR. HOLEKAMP: Thank you. What -- what we 19 have discussed -- and this has been discussed, I think, at 20 length a couple of years already, the possibility of closing 21 in the open space as you walk in past the J.P. 3's office on 22 the left. There's a table with chairs, and the former 23 judges have used it for a courtroom or mediation or 24 whatever. And I have talked to Judge Castillo, and he 25 really sees no objection at all to utilizing courtrooms that 2-1-05 9 1 currently exist in the courthouse. Very accommodating -- 2 just as a comment, he's been very -- very good about it. 3 What -- what this is going to entail is two walls and three 4 doors, basically. We have some ceiling issues. As y'all 5 all know, the -- that at one time was a medium-security -- 6 minimum medium-security jail, so those ceilings in there are 7 approximately 9-foot tall. There's no room, and all of the 8 light fixtures have security screws on them, so when we 9 change light bulbs, it's -- it's kind of like -- it's quite 10 a chore. So, we're going to try to go in, and this will 11 give the County Attorney's office approximately 340 square 12 feet additional space. This still leaves the exit -- fire 13 exit, if you wish to call it that, that'll go -- that you 14 can -- when you walk in right past the J.P.'s door, you'll 15 take a left, and you can wind back to that little break 16 room, which is an exit, and I'm going to keep that open. 17 So, the access into this particular offices 18 that we're -- we're considering will be from his office 19 area. There will not be exterior doors into this area. So, 20 it'll be -- if he so chooses to use it for an office or a 21 conference room or whatever, that would -- would be -- it's 22 just going to be two spaces, basically, each one of about 23 probably 150 to 170 square feet. So, we have the money in 24 the budget, which was budgeted this year to -- for the 25 material. I'm using my people to -- to build it, and 2-1-05 10 1 hopefully, with any kind of luck, with approval, we'll be 2 able to start in two to three weeks on it. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Will you have the 4 opportunity to use prisoner labor as well? 5 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir. And what -- it's 6 going to depend on what -- what trades we have available to 7 us at that moment. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I understand. 9 MR. HOLEKAMP: You know, and that's -- that's 10 one thing about the trustee program. And it's a great 11 program, but that we run spells where the only thing 12 available to us is a concrete man or, you know, people that 13 have no skills whatsoever. So, it really depends on what 14 the Sheriff's going to be able to -- be able to let come out 15 to work. We might be able to get all -- a lot of these 16 things done. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I bet it's hard to 18 find painters. 19 MR. HOLEKAMP: No. No. No, they're pretty 20 easy to find. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Glenn, are you taking 22 in part of that space that -- that the J.P. 3 court kind of 23 uses sometimes? 24 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir, that is that space. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 2-1-05 11 1 MR. HOLEKAMP: And he's agreed to use our 2 courtrooms that currently exist in the building, 'cause 3 their -- their courtroom needs are very sporadic. It's 4 scheduled. I don't know -- I don't know how often they hold 5 actual court, but it's not real often. And the other type 6 of court that they do is, like, evictions and stuff. He 7 said he could use a conference room just anywhere, where you 8 sit across the table and you -- you talk to these people and 9 work out their difficulties or their differences. So, he -- 10 he seemed to -- Judge Castillo was very accommodating with 11 the loss of that space. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Preliminary plan would utilize 13 space for two additional offices? Is that what we're 14 looking at? 15 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yes, sir, that's what 16 Mr. Emerson and I had -- had discussed. And -- and as far 17 as -- you know, one might be 200 square foot, and the other 18 one might be 140. As y'all know, those are -- there are 19 pillars down there that -- the concrete pillars, so we're 20 going to work around them. I mean, we're not going through 21 them. So -- and we're going to -- but like I indicated, the 22 ceiling might be an issue. I'm going to try to drop it down 23 to 8 foot, get away from that 9-foot ceiling, so -- and 24 maybe change some light fixtures so we don't have to use a 25 certain screw gun to get them open so we can change bulbs. 2-1-05 12 1 That's part of the -- 2 JUDGE TINLEY: The access would be through 3 the current County Attorney's office, not from the exterior 4 down the hallway there beside the J.P. 3 office? Or -- 5 MR. EMERSON: That's correct. We would leave 6 the entrance door the same as it is now, and simply open up 7 an internal wall door. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 9 MR. EMERSON: On the inside. 10 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Just a couple 11 observations. When I go down there to that lower area, I 12 kind of feel like I'm in a rabbit burrow. Y'all probably 13 know the story on that. Maybe not. Maybe you just ran out 14 of money and couldn't finish it up. 15 MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm. 16 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I'd like to see 17 that -- that general area, the hallways and -- and open area 18 there, cleaned up and -- not cleaned up. Looking better. 19 Ceilings and professional signage. And on the County 20 Attorney's office, it ought to look pretty good. It ought 21 to look professional. Doesn't have to meet Wall Street 22 standards, but when the -- when a taxpayer comes in to the 23 County Attorney's office, he ought or she ought not be 24 noticing that it's second-rate. 25 MR. HOLEKAMP: We're going to try our best. 2-1-05 13 1 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: And it feels 2 second-rate now. 3 MR. HOLEKAMP: The current space that they 4 have, in my opinion, it's cluttered. And I think -- I think 5 Mr. Emerson understands that he inherited that space, so -- 6 and I think once we get this closed in and opened up, 7 there's some things that we can do on this other side. We 8 just can't do them all at the same time. So I'd like to 9 see, maybe next year, that we'll work into doing some stuff 10 in that -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Didn't we put money in 12 the budget to fix up that other area as well? 13 MR. HOLEKAMP: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I thought we did. 15 MR. HOLEKAMP: For material. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For material? 17 MR. HOLEKAMP: Mm-hmm. And, there again, in 18 fact, I've got one community service worker that's got a 19 slug of hours that's going to do the floor. But timing is 20 everything; it's to be able to get in there and get that 21 floor floated and be able to get in there and work when 22 people aren't going to be on it. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: New ceiling -- or a 24 ceiling. Not a new ceiling, just a ceiling. 25 MR. HOLEKAMP: We're going to put a drop 2-1-05 14 1 ceiling in there, yes. But I hadn't decided what we'll do 2 on walls yet, but the rest -- 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This is government at 4 its best. We've been dealing with this particular issue for 5 seven or eight years now, and we're finally getting there, 6 and I'm proud. I appreciate you guys doing that, and I move 7 for approval. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 10 approval of the agenda item. Any question or discussion? 11 All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 12 hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 15 (No response.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Thank 17 you, gentlemen. 18 MR. EMERSON: Thank you. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: We appreciate you being here 20 today. The next item on the agenda is to consider, discuss, 21 and take appropriate action on candidates or applicants for 22 Information Technology Specialist position. This, of 23 course, is a personnel issue, and we have scheduled 24 interviews with particular applicants. Before we go into 25 executive or closed session in that regard, is there any 2-1-05 15 1 discussion or matter with regard to the time that any member 2 of the Court wants to bring up in the open, public portion 3 of the meeting? 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I notice we have some 5 additional resumes. Are these any we're going to consider, 6 or what? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I -- I don't know. 8 There's some more that have come in. I would note with some 9 interest that there -- the advertised request for proposals 10 that I saw -- I've not seen the employment ad for full- or 11 part-time employment, but the request for proposals has a 12 closing date of 9 a.m. on February the 14th. What was the 13 closing date, if any, on the ad for full- or part-time 14 employment? Does anyone have that? 15 MS. NEMEC: There was no closing date put on 16 there, as far as I know. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 18 MS. NEMEC: I do know that there have been 19 some people inquire about it, as far as yesterday even, and 20 the County Auditor did send them down to my office and they 21 filled out some applications, and those were turned in. But 22 I did explain to them that I didn't know if those would even 23 be considered, because I was under the impression that the 24 cutoff was Friday. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I think that, 2-1-05 16 1 depending on what we decide today, it may have been cut off 2 or it may not. Just depends if we can come to terms. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. That may be partially 4 cut off and not partially cut off. We may have a hybrid 5 situation. 6 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think we need to 7 think some more about the relationship between the employee 8 that does this work and any outside contractor that does 9 similar work, if any. Maybe that needs some more 10 discussion. I think we can do that as we work through our 11 candidates. 12 MS. NEMEC: I did have someone come to my 13 office yesterday morning, and they were inquiring about the 14 contract part of it, and they have done contract work for 15 the County before as far as the computer goes, and he was 16 very interested in that part of it. He was supposed to 17 bring his application back today. And I -- what I explained 18 to him was that we really didn't know where we were on 19 everything. Y'all were just going to look at the 20 applications and then decide what route y'all were going to 21 go. But if y'all are still considering someone to do the 22 contract work, I know that this is a pretty good 23 application, and he has done work for us before and Tommy's 24 real familiar with him. The courthouse personnel have been 25 very familiar with him for years too, so y'all might want to 2-1-05 17 1 look at that. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I think -- on the 3 contract people, I think we're bound by the advertisement 4 that we ran that said that the closing time for those 5 proposals is February the 14th at 9 a.m., and anybody that 6 wants to submit a proposal certainly is at liberty to do so 7 until that time. I -- on the contract basis. 8 MS. NEMEC: Okay. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: At least on a contract basis. 10 Where we are on the employment may be -- may be a different 11 issue. May not be a different issue; I don't know. But -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, the -- isn't it 13 correct that the employment decision may necessitate the 14 need or not need for the contract? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: That's entirely possible. 16 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think you're 17 right. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think there's some 20 flexibility here. We may decide to shift it one way or the 21 other. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. I think one is very 23 well going to have a bearing on the other. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Way too many choices. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, too many options. If no 2-1-05 18 1 other member of the Court has anything in connection with 2 this in the open or public session, we will close the open 3 or public session -- recess it, actually, and we will 4 shortly go into executive or closed session with regard to 5 these personnel matters. 6 (The open session was closed at 10:20 a.m., and an Executive Session was held, the 7 transcript of which is contained in a separate document.) 8 - - - - - - - - - - 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, we will reconvene in 10 open, public session. It is 11:51 now. Does any member of 11 the Court have anything to offer with respect to matters 12 discussed in closed or executive session? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd like to make a motion 14 to fill the position -- well, to offer John Trolinger the 15 position of Interim Information Technology Manager for a 16 six-month period -- probationary period, beginning salary at 17 $35,000, and to report back to the Commissioners Court at 18 our second meeting this month with an analysis of the system 19 and preliminary report as to his recommendations as to where 20 we need to go with that department. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'll second. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that to begin immediately, 23 today? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Effective immediately. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: The 1st of the month. All 2-1-05 19 1 right. Motion made and seconded. Any questions or 2 discussion relative to the motion? 3 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Just a comment. 4 We're going to defer any decision on -- on contract or 5 part-time help, and he'll be a part of helping us make that 6 decision. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: I think that's the sense of 8 it. 9 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We're going to 10 communicate to the two people who applied for part-time work 11 that we're not ready to make a decision; that decision will 12 come later. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Good. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Any further question or 17 discussion on the motion? All in favor of the motion, 18 signify by raising your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 21 (No response.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Who's going to make contact 23 with Mr. Trolinger? 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Ms. Mitchell. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And if you also, 2-1-05 20 1 Ms. Mitchell, would send a letter to everyone who sent in an 2 application, you know -- 3 JUDGE TINLEY: We'll need to send out a 4 letter to them. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Except the part-time. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: The part-timers, we need to 7 let them know that -- that we're not taking any action with 8 regard to filling any part-time position; that there may be 9 a decision made later on. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge? 11 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: So those two we 12 interviewed, what that means is, if they're still interested 13 in a part-time position, there may be one, but we don't know 14 that. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Everybody else gets a -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We don't need to send 17 anything out until we make sure Trolinger accepts our offer. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And if he accepts our 20 offer, get his butt down here. 21 MS. MITCHELL: He's already put his initials 22 on a cup. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Pardon? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Put his initials on a 25 cup? 2-1-05 21 1 JUDGE TINLEY: A little styrofoam cup? 2 MS. MITCHELL: He came out and he told me -- 3 he said, "I've put my" -- he says, "You're going to call me. 4 You're going to call me, right? I've already put my 5 initials on this cup back there, so I'm going to keep it 6 back here till y'all hire me." So, his cup's back there. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Confidence. 8 MS. MITCHELL: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But the finances were 10 a part of it. That's what he has to agree to accept. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else to come 12 before the Court? There's nothing else on the agenda today. 13 Yes? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only comment would be 15 that if he has any questions, refer them to the County 16 Judge. And the Judge understands that after six months, the 17 intent is, in my motion, that we will reexamine his position 18 and his salary at that point. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask a question 21 now. What if the guy says, "Yeah, Kathy, I'm -- that's 22 cool. I want to do this thing. I'm on my way up there," 23 and he walks in the door. What does he do then? 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Ms. Mitchell directs 25 him to Ms. Nemec to fill out his paperwork. 2-1-05 22 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then to Tommy. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: To the County Auditor 3 so he can get started in this thing, and then the County 4 Auditor will rapidly disappear in this picture, I hope. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Shaun is gone? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Shaun is gone, but 7 he's available. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. And I would ask -- 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Really? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- him to contact Shaun. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: For me. To me only. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Oh, okay. 13 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: You guys do good 14 work. Don't try this at home; we're experts. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not for kids. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: We stand adjourned. 17 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:53 a.m.) 18 - - - - - - - - - - 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2-1-05 23 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 2nd day of February, 8 2005. 9 10 11 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 12 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 13 Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2-1-05