1 2 3 4 KERRVILLE CITY COUNCIL 5 and 6 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 7 Joint Meeting 8 Monday, February 6, 2006 9 8:00 a.m. 10 KPUB Meeting Room 11 2250 Memorial Boulevard 12 Kerrville, Texas 13 14 15 16 17 Kerrville City Council: 18 EUGENE C. SMITH, Mayor Pro Tem TODD A. BOCK, Councilperson, Place 1 19 CARL MEEK, Councilperson, Place 2 DAVID WAMPLER, Councilperson, Place 3 20 CHUCK COLEMAN, Councilperson, Place 4 PAUL HOFMANN, City Manager 21 22 Kerr County Commissioners Court: 23 PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 2 1 On Monday, February 6, 2006, at 8:00 a.m., a joint 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held at the 3 KPUB Meeting Room, 2250 Memorial Boulevard, Kerrville, Texas, 4 and the following proceedings were had: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 MAYOR SMITH: We're having a lot of conversation 7 going on here. I think we should call to order before we get 8 in trouble. Our lawyers will be fussing at us here in a 9 minute. I'd like to call the -- to order the Kerrville City 10 Council meeting for a joint meeting of the County 11 Commissioners at 8:33 on February the 6th, 2006. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: And on behalf of the Kerr County 13 Commissioners Court, let me call to order the joint meeting of 14 Kerr County Commissioners Court and City of Kerrville 15 scheduled and posted for this time and date, Monday, February 16 6th, 2006, at 8 a.m. We had breakfast previously, and we're 17 getting underway at -- looks like about 8:33. 18 MAYOR SMITH: We have a very open-ended agenda here, 19 and perhaps it might be in order if we let our City Manager 20 kind of start things off. 21 MR. HOFMANN: Sure. If it's okay, I'll just give 22 you a little bit of an update on what's going on with the City 23 of Kerrville and some of the things we see coming up over the 24 next several weeks or months. The City Council met in a 25 planning retreat all day Monday and half day Tuesday of last 2-6-06 jcc 3 1 week. I thought it went very well. It was the first step in 2 kind of a broad outline I provided for the City Council on how 3 we should begin the process of strategic planning and project 4 identification. The real goal of the -- the retreat was to 5 get a sense of our priorities for the next year and a half 6 through the end of fiscal '06, and to start to think about the 7 fiscal year after that, '07. 8 We started out the day Monday morning with an 9 overview of what's in the comprehensive plan, the 10 comprehensive plan that was approved by the City Council in 11 2001 after a significant amount of -- of community input and 12 -- and development. That discussion took, I think, a couple 13 of hours, as I -- as I recall. That's a very broad and, as 14 the name implies, comprehensive document, and there's a lot of 15 stuff in it. A lot of stuff in it about implementation and 16 action plans, and that's really what the focus of the 17 presentation was about. And, Councilmembers, please join in 18 and fill in the blanks where I leave blanks as I go here. The 19 primary point of discussion in the comprehensive plan overview 20 was what the plan says about the provision of utility service 21 to undeveloped areas. City Council said that they would like 22 to visit that policy statement some more, and so we will be 23 creating a plan for doing that over the next several weeks. 24 City Council also met last June -- this was before I 25 was here and before Councilmember Coleman was appointed to the 2-6-06 jcc 4 1 City Council -- in, I guess, kind of a mini-retreat where 2 Council identified a handful of projects or priorities, and we 3 quickly overviewed that list of priorities with the City 4 Council to see if there was any new direction there. 5 MAYOR SMITH: That meeting is our primary initial 6 meeting trying to work on a budget. It's really what our -- 7 that meeting's for. 8 MR. HOFMANN: That's right. Yes, it is. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Paul, in your -- when we were 10 working on the ETJ issue, I know there was a -- the City had 11 a -- a draft of an annex plan as we go into the future that 12 was part of -- was kind of based on that. Is that going to -- 13 you're looking a little bit blank on it. 14 MR. HOFMANN: Yeah, I'm not aware of a plan. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, there was -- the map 16 that -- where the ETJ -- 17 MR. HOFMANN: Oh, no, I got you. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The probable areas for 19 annexation. Not a timeline or anything. 20 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that going to be formalized 22 or made public, or -- you know. 23 MR. HOFMANN: Well, I'll let any member of the City 24 Council or the mayor correct me here, but I don't see that as 25 where our most short-term priorities are. I think we need to 2-6-06 jcc 5 1 wrap our hands around our policy about providing service to 2 undeveloped areas. And if you look back -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Within city limits? 4 MR. HOFMANN: Within the city limits. Because one 5 of the -- "conclusions" might be a strong word, but one of the 6 conclusions of that comprehensive plan document back in 2001 7 is that there is -- there is quite a bit of developable 8 property within the existing city limits. And, as has become 9 pretty apparent over the last few months, quite a bit of that 10 area doesn't have utility. The comprehensive plan seems to -- 11 well, I think more than seems to. The -- the approach laid 12 out in the comprehensive plan is that development property 13 owners will bring that utility extension to it as it develops, 14 and that's what we need to talk more about. To me, we need to 15 deal with how we're going to develop within the city and 16 within the ETJ before we start extending ourselves, and maybe 17 that's the thinking of this Council. But creating an 18 annexation plan didn't come up on our priority list. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess my -- my thinking is -- 20 is two areas I'm thinking about right now. One is the County, 21 in Kerrville South area, has done quite a bit through grants 22 to extend sewer service and all that, which all y'all are 23 aware of, and I was wondering, is there any plan to annex some 24 of those areas, since utilities have come in and kind been 25 extended? The other areas I'm thinking about, there's a 2-6-06 jcc 6 1 number of pockets kind of up in the Holdsworth area, the end 2 of Roy. If you go down Roy Street right now, the first -- you 3 know, up to Thurman is city limits, and all of a sudden, it 4 changes and it's county, and so the County's maintaining half 5 of the street, and -- you know, and it's just an awkward 6 situation. And it's -- Roy is one that's clearly city -- 7 should be in the city. I don't see the reason that it -- and 8 I don't mean, like, a big annexation. I just mean a cleanup 9 as Holdsworth gets complete and is developed. And there are 10 areas up there where the city limits line kind of zigs and 11 zags, the county here and the city here, and it just makes 12 sense to clean up some of those areas a little bit, maybe try 13 to get out to the interstate as a dividing line or something 14 like that. It's just -- you know, I didn't know if that was 15 on the horizon for the City or not. 16 MAYOR SMITH: Well, don't we have six months to kind 17 of iron out some of these matters on our ETJ? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: These -- this isn't really an 19 ETJ issue. This is more just -- I don't think we've ever 20 discussed it with the City; "Hey, here's some areas we think 21 y'all should probably take." 22 MAYOR SMITH: Yeah. Well -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: At least I think you should 24 probably take it. 25 MAYOR SMITH: I know that Holdsworth is kind of 2-6-06 jcc 7 1 funny; you start off and then there's a lot of county there, 2 and it seems to me -- 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I know also a lot of folks 4 that live in Kerrville South area, where the wastewater 5 project is underway, have a large hidden fear that that's what 6 would happen when the wastewater project was concluded, and 7 that -- that question has been directed to me on more than one 8 occasion. 9 MR. HOFMANN: The fear is that the -- what's the 10 fear? 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Pardon? 12 MR. HOFMANN: What is the fear? 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The fear is that once the 14 wastewater project is completed and hooked up, that they will 15 be annexed. 16 MR. HOFMANN: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It goes both ways. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Kerrville South Water 19 Company, too. 20 MR. HOFMANN: Well, state -- and you guys probably 21 all know this pretty well. State law's changed pretty 22 significantly over the last several years as it regards 23 cities' ability to annex, and if we're -- and I think it was 24 1999 when it most significantly changed. And then -- and in 25 summary, if the City is to annex a developed area, then cities 2-6-06 jcc 8 1 essentially have to provide three years of notice with a 2 pretty detailed service plan. If it is an undeveloped area, 3 or an area of less than -- is it 100? 4 MR. HAYES: 100, yeah. 5 MR. HOFMANN: Residences, then the -- the 6 requirements quite -- aren't quite as stringent. But one of 7 the things the City does have to comply with is service 8 delivery requirements that are more stringent than they were 9 prior to 1999. Obviously, the City would need to look at the 10 fiscal impact of annexation of a developed area, 'cause then 11 we're obligated to extend services. And even if utilities are 12 already there, there's services on the general government 13 side, like fire protection and police protection. And 14 typically -- typically, and I'm saying this without really 15 looking at it, a residential development annexation doesn't 16 cover the cost of the City's extending services on the general 17 government side. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think my reason for bringing 19 it up is really more -- it's just the effectiveness. If 20 somebody calls the -- you know, a 911 call from out on Roy, 21 or, I mean, right in the middle of the city, surrounded by 22 city limits, and the Sheriff has to respond. And, you know, 23 then it comes under -- you know, it's under some of our other 24 agreements where the City responds a lot and there's backup. 25 But it's just -- to me, it's an awkward situation in some of 2-6-06 jcc 9 1 these areas, and is it going to -- financially, does it make 2 sense for the City to do it? Probably never. But does it 3 make sense from a practical standpoint of roads and law 4 enforcement and EMS? Yes, it probably does. And I just -- I 5 hate to see us get in a situation where, because it's 6 financially not attractive to the City to annex, that these 7 areas get bypassed when they should be -- and, I mean, the 8 City's been -- you know, Comanche Trace they've annexed, and 9 now out in Whiskey Canyon area. They've certainly been very 10 -- when new developments are coming in, they go in and are 11 part of the big development plan, but I see areas being jumped 12 over that should be in the city limits, and they basically 13 should be receiving city services. Anyway -- well, it's 14 something we've never looked at from the Court standpoint and 15 tried to designate these areas. I just thought I'd put it on 16 the table. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Having now referenced it, 18 Commissioner, when it's reported in the newspaper, I can 19 assure you my phone will light up like a Christmas tree. 20 MAYOR SMITH: Well, I heard no discussion whatsoever 21 about the City annexing South Kerrville, so if those people 22 are worried -- 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Be sure and get that quote, 24 what the mayor just said. 25 MAYOR SMITH: I have not. I have not heard it. 2-6-06 jcc 10 1 Maybe there's other guys here, but I feel -- I haven't heard 2 anything. If the people are worried about it, they don't 3 have -- they don't have much to worry about, I don't imagine. 4 MR. COLEMAN: Would it help if we had a map that 5 highlighted some of those areas that might be -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It would probably be -- the 7 first step is to start looking at them. This is a long 8 process, as I understand, if it's ever done. And it may -- 9 you know, maybe the answer is to just leave it the way it is, 10 but I think it should be looked at at some point. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: The transition from city to county 12 streets, such as Roy and that area, brings up another 13 possibility. I know the City has had a concern about playing 14 catch-up with their street repair and maintenance and 15 resealcoating and things of that nature. I certainly don't 16 want to take our Road and Bridge Department and overload them, 17 but it occurs to me that we may be able to provide some 18 assistance to you folks under an interlocal agreement on 19 helping you with that program more efficiently than you could 20 go out and contract it to be done or get fully into the 21 business yourself. We've got, and have over the years 22 acquired a good -- good number of pieces of equipment to 23 handle that sort of thing, and while I don't think we probably 24 have adequate -- adequate people on the payroll right now, 25 with the proper interlocal agreement and a plan in place, 2-6-06 jcc 11 1 there might be a possibility that we could expand our ability 2 to do that sort of work and help you folks out. 3 Like I say, I don't want to -- I know Road and 4 Bridge Administrator is not here, and he's probably going to 5 strangle me when he -- when he hears of this, but he's managed 6 to run a pretty efficient operation there, and I think he's 7 got most of our roadways -- I don't know what the last count 8 was; probably something -- 10 miles or maybe under of our 9 county roads that are not fully sealcoated now. And he's -- 10 he's done a good job getting it there. May well be that we 11 could make some headway. 12 MR. HOFMANN: Thank you. And, actually, this came 13 up at our previous meeting, and I would -- if it'd be okay, 14 I'd like for our Public Works Director, Charlie Hastings, to 15 get in touch with Leonard Odom and start hammering out the 16 basic outline of an interlocal agreement, and bring that back 17 to our respective entities. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I sure see it as something that we 19 ought to explore. 20 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: We get better utilization of our 22 equipment, more efficiency of utilizing it more, and you folks 23 get your plan accomplished at less cost, hopefully. Mike, 24 where are we on municipal court? 25 MR. HAYES: What do you mean? 2-6-06 jcc 12 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, at one point in time, there was 2 a discussion underway of us maybe contracting with you folks 3 for all or some portion of that as to prosecutorial services, 4 courtroom space, turnkey, and all the way from just space to 5 turnkey. And I know that there's been some preliminary 6 exploration of the legalities. I know previously, prior to 7 Mr. Hoffman's arrival, there was some information furnished to 8 us where it was being accomplished in other counties that are 9 a comparable size, and I think other legal questions have been 10 raised with -- maybe I'm not totally up to speed on that. 11 MR. HAYES: My recollection is that really kind of 12 never went anywhere. After we looked at the courtroom space 13 and the courtroom availability, that because we couldn't 14 assure ourselves of being in those courtrooms or any courtroom 15 in the county building on a set day every week, which we 16 really need to do, it really didn't go anywhere from there. 17 And I wasn't involved in that. I know that Ilse, when she was 18 on -- you know, working for the City, looked into it. I'm not 19 sure if Rex has looked into it, if it's -- this may have even 20 predated his tenure in office. So -- 21 MAYOR SMITH: Judge, you're talking about doing the 22 entire function, 100 percent of it, replacing the municipal 23 judge. I know I talked to some of the court -- the judges, 24 and they didn't seem to like the idea that we would be taking 25 some of their courtroom time away from them. So, just kind of 2-6-06 jcc 13 1 -- in my mind, I kind of dropped the issue. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I -- 3 MAYOR SMITH: At one time, there was some discussion 4 about the County taking over 100 percent of the municipal 5 judge's work. Is that what you're -- 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I think -- I think it was 7 somewhat of an open-ended situation, starting at the low end 8 of -- of trying to find some space for you folks to operate 9 your own system all the way to contracting with Kerr County to 10 handle the entire court function, or anywhere in between. I'm 11 sure there's all sorts of options. And I don't think there 12 was -- I think the issue arose initially because of the space 13 issue, and -- and we looked at that. And while looking at 14 that, it -- then it started to emerge that there were other -- 15 other counties that had, by contract, been performing the 16 entire judicial function for cities. And that -- that 17 predated Mr. Hofmann, and I didn't know whether that was still 18 in the mix or not. Obviously, apparently, from what you're 19 saying, it's not something that's very high on the radar 20 screen at this point. 21 MR. MOCK: Well, I know one -- Gene, you and I are 22 on the Municipal Court oversight, if I'm not mistaken, and we 23 were supposed to have had a meeting in -- in December, and I 24 don't -- 25 MAYOR SMITH: Didn't need to have it. 2-6-06 jcc 14 1 MR. MOCK: Yeah, I don't think -- we never had that 2 meeting. That meeting never came about. We met earlier -- 3 when was that? August, I believe it was. 4 MAYOR SMITH: Yes. 5 MR. MOCK: I believe it was in August. And then, 6 actually, we were supposed to have another one in December to 7 discuss and get another overview of where the Court was. I 8 know they were changing some functions, changing some -- going 9 to look at changing some dates. I don't know where they're at 10 in that. And I think it would be very beneficial if we had 11 another -- 12 MAYOR SMITH: Why don't you pick a time? We'll get 13 together on it. You're working, and all I'm doing is 14 twiddling my fingers, so I can be available at your 15 convenience. 16 MR. MOCK: Paul, if you can do that, if you would? 17 We had -- we had everyone there from municipal court, the 18 judge, all of the staff there, and they just kind of gave an 19 overview and some of their concerning issues and main issues, 20 and -- we had Mr. Davis there, and I think Mr. Brooks there. 21 MAYOR SMITH: I was in San Antonio at a meeting with 22 Mr. -- our Congressman, Mr. Bonilla, so the newspapers said I 23 didn't attend the meeting. But I had -- I can't -- I haven't 24 been able to figure out how to be two places at once yet, but 25 I'm working on it. 2-6-06 jcc 15 1 MR. COLEMAN: I guess we're continuing to experience 2 space shortage requirements? We're still short on space? 3 MR. MOCK: I think so, yeah. I think that's going 4 to be a definite issue. One of the -- I mean, even -- even if 5 they streamline, Chuck, some of the -- some of the issues that 6 they had as far as the lines and the amount of people there at 7 one time, I don't think it's sufficient space, regardless. 8 You know, even administrative space. I mean, that's one thing 9 that seems to be the -- that was the main focus, is where do 10 they put all their files? I mean -- 11 MR. COLEMAN: And the jury, when they deliberate. 12 MR. MOCK: Right. The administrative side of the 13 court is actually using what is designated as court space when 14 there is no court in there, and when they have court, then 15 they go in and they remove all of their materials from the 16 courtroom back into the administrative side while they're in 17 court, and then put it all back in there. So, that's -- 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to say that this 19 conversation has been going on for eight or ten years, maybe. 20 I mean, I'm not saying that as a bad thing, but it's -- this 21 is not something brand-new, that -- you know, and I don't 22 think it's going to be -- unless y'all just completely fix the 23 thing, I don't think it's going to go away. You know, we're 24 going to keep talking about it. And I think what the Judge is 25 saying is that options are still on the table for us, far as 2-6-06 jcc 16 1 we're concerned. And you can go to that courthouse just about 2 any hour of the day, and there's a courtroom available, 3 almost. Of course, you know, those District Judges have first 4 shot at everything. On earth. And so I think -- I think it's 5 a matter of scheduling to get that done. But options are on 6 the table, whatever you want to do. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: We've got an EMS committee that's 8 going to be reporting -- next month, is it? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: End of March. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Before April 1. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And we'll be talking about 14 their recommendations. And one of those -- and this is 15 hopefully not going to land in the newspaper. The -- one of 16 their recommendations is that we take -- take y'all up on your 17 offer of sending us the monthly report that the City Council 18 gets. Did I say that right? Or isn't that -- we had -- some 19 of us had talked about that in the past, that whatever the 20 City Council gets as far as a monthly report, y'all could just 21 zap one on over to us. You know, that's going to be one of 22 their recommendations. When they make that recommendation, we 23 want to accept it. I'd like to accept it today. If you can 24 zap one over to us, kind of get the thing started. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think what they're -- they 2-6-06 jcc 17 1 gave a preliminary report to the Court, was that there was 2 discussion about us getting more information, and from their 3 research, that hasn't happened yet, bottom line. 4 MR. COLEMAN: Financial statements? Are they 5 reports of service? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Runs and billings. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Utilization reports. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Whatever you get. 9 MR. COLEMAN: What did you say? 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Utilization report, I think. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Whatever -- do y'all, the 12 City Council, get a monthly -- 13 MR. WAMPLER: We don't. 14 MR. MOCK: Not a financial report. 15 MR. COLEMAN: We get a fire department report and a 16 police department report. I don't know -- 17 MR. WAMPLER: Numbers of runs and numbers of arrests 18 and types of arrests. 19 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 20 MR. WAMPLER: Kind of a general statistical report 21 on the activity of, say, the P.D. And I'm not even aware 22 of -- do we get that on the fire department? Maybe we do. 23 MR. COLEMAN: We've been getting it on fire 24 department. 25 MR. WAMPLER: But we don't get a detailed financial 2-6-06 jcc 18 1 report or any kind of a -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 3 MR. WAMPLER: -- a billing run or anything like 4 that. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's a utilization 6 statement. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Quarterly basis? Is financial on a 8 quarterly basis? 9 MR. HOFMANN: Yes. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Maybe that -- I think the 11 monthly and quarterly was maybe confused. And I think there 12 was some discussion at one point in time of going from 13 quarterly to monthly; I don't know. But just basically 14 whatever you guys get relative to EMS operations, whether it's 15 monthly, quarterly, whenever. 16 MR. COLEMAN: I personally support you guys getting 17 all the information that we get. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Whatever. It wasn't -- they say 19 they -- you know, I think they're working with Brian probably 20 more than anybody else on this. That the reports are in the 21 city that they think would be beneficial to the County, 22 whether monthly, quarterly, or whatever. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And -- and then in the month 24 of April, we're going -- what we have labeled as "off-season" 25 meetings, we want to add the EMS part of it as -- as -- in 2-6-06 jcc 19 1 that mix so we can start preparing our budget. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just as a subject, we brought 3 the EMS up. Not trying to preempt the committee's final 4 results, but the early indication is that the City's doing a 5 great job on all areas of it, and the current contract is very 6 close to what probably they're going to recommend we continue 7 with. So, I mean, it's a -- all of the -- we're not getting 8 ready to go through another round over EMS. It appears that 9 we've -- that's behind us, and what we negotiated last summer 10 is probably going to be pretty close to what's going to go on 11 in the future, at least their recommendation. So, I don't 12 want y'all to get all worried we're going to have another 13 fight over EMS. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Have you -- have you folks got a 15 preliminary plan for the joint City/County preliminary budget 16 workshops that we used -- we used to hold? I think the last 17 two years, we've not been able to, but prior, I found them 18 personally to be very, very helpful insofar as communication 19 and exchange of information. The -- so we don't end up like 20 we did towards the very end of the year last year of having a 21 bunch of pretty contentious loose-end issues. We don't want 22 that, and I'm sure you guys don't want it either. And I 23 didn't know where we were on trying to put that together. It 24 normally takes place, if I'm not mistaken, June, July, in 25 that -- 2-6-06 jcc 20 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: June. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: -- time frame. 3 MR. HOFMANN: I haven't suggested this to my Council 4 yet. In fact, on February 14th, at the next City Council 5 meeting, I will overview a recommended budget calendar with 6 them where I will attempt to piece together how all this works 7 relative to what the city charter says is my responsibility 8 for putting a budget together, and how to communicate that 9 with the various County liaisons on elements that affect our 10 budget, like the library and -- and EMS, and other things as 11 well. As I understand it, if the County will typically have 12 -- one of you will be a liaison, for example, on the EMS 13 subject or on the library subject. And what -- and we have an 14 agreement that I think we're looking at some minor amendments 15 to on the library. There's an agreement that's -- that speaks 16 to how all this works and on what timeline it will work. I'm 17 hoping to bring all this together in a schedule that makes 18 sense. 19 What that -- what that schedule will entail is an 20 August meeting. If we continue to do these meetings twice -- 21 twice a year on six-month intervals, the next six months is in 22 August. And, in my mind, from what I think a budget calendar 23 ought to look like that makes sense for the next big meeting, 24 the next joint meeting of the City Council and the 25 Commissioners Court where, specifically, one of the items on 2-6-06 jcc 21 1 that agenda could be the specific areas in the City's budget 2 that is impacted by the County's budget or vice-versa. And 3 prior to that, I would like the opportunity to work with, say, 4 Commissioner Baldwin on EMS issues or Commissioner Nicholson, 5 and the Library Board on library issues, 'cause all of this 6 has to roll together. Like -- and the library issue kind of 7 complicates it, because there's a Library Board out there that 8 has specific budget recommendation responsibility, as I do, 9 and I just need to make sure it all kind of fits together. 10 And it -- it will. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- an August time 12 frame -- or it depends on what's done. I mean, the airport 13 and the library, they have their own boards, and then the -- 14 there's liaisons for the other joint activities. By August, 15 we're hopefully 75 to 90 percent done with our budget. We -- 16 we -- and I think we just start a lot earlier than the City. 17 But, really, by -- we do most of our workshops July and early 18 August. 19 MR. HOFMANN: See, the difference with us is what 20 the city charter says, and what the city charter says about my 21 schedule and what my responsibilities are. I won't have a 22 budget to share with the City Council until July the 31st or 23 thereabouts, and so it'll be August when the detailed budget 24 workshops happen with the City Council where they're looking 25 at what my recommended budget is. Now, that's not to say we 2-6-06 jcc 22 1 can't have a joint meeting before the beginning of August, but 2 if we do, it'll be without the benefit of a budget 3 recommendation from the City Manager. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Be tentative. Tentative numbers. 5 And -- 6 MR. HOFMANN: Well, it -- okay. I'm not -- right. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- 8 MR. HOFMANN: To the extent I'm going to want -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This year's going to be a lot 10 different than prior years, because the airport's going to 11 be -- I mean, that's going to be driven by the Airport Board, 12 when the preliminary numbers are ready for the City to look 13 at, or the City and County to look at. The Library's going to 14 be done basically the same way as the airport. 15 MR. COLEMAN: EMS study. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: EMS is going to be one that's 17 going to be held up. As long as we're communicating and aware 18 of what's going on going back and forth, that shouldn't be a 19 problem, and those are the three big ones. I mean, there's 20 Animal Control. We'll have those numbers, you know, to the 21 City probably -- preliminary numbers, probably by the first of 22 July or so, early July. 23 MAYOR SMITH: We have certain timing that kind of 24 governs things. Our City Council election is -- is in May, 25 and then the new Councilmen will take office, so we need to 2-6-06 jcc 23 1 get them on board before we can have our June meetings to 2 establish priorities so the City management can proceed. So, 3 it will be sometimes in June before we get instructions from 4 the City Council to proceed. So, we can kind of have -- I 5 understand what you need there. As far as -- as the library 6 and the Airport Board, those are still -- even though they 7 propose a budget, still have to be approved by our -- both of 8 our bodies, so -- so if one comes in, and -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 10 MAYOR SMITH: You know, it still takes a little 11 work. So, I'd say probably the -- sometimes around the first 12 of August is about as fast as the City can give you the 13 information. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As long as we have preliminary 15 numbers. I think we will from the library, and the airport, 16 we'll definitely have preliminary numbers. 17 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then the EMS, we'll have 19 that number working through the year, and we have an 20 interlocal agreement that I really think that's going to work 21 a lot smother. And Animal Control is more like EMS, and I 22 think we -- most of the problems have been fixed on the budget 23 side by what we did this past year. 24 MR. HOFMANN: Except for figuring out what to pay 25 for everything. 2-6-06 jcc 24 1 MAYOR SMITH: Only money. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. The liaison plan will 3 work, you know. We can just use ballpark numbers to kind of 4 just keep us -- 5 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- keep us in the game, at 7 least until August. I wasn't aware of this time frame thing 8 for y'all. That's interesting. Is that -- is that your own 9 charter, or is that -- 10 MR. HOFMANN: That's pretty typical. And, in fact, 11 every city I've worked for, it either says 60 days before 12 October 1st or end of July, which is the same thing. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'd like to go back to the 14 EMS for just a second, if I might. We're anticipating that 15 preliminary report from -- from folks who are working with us 16 and examining it, and I expect -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not preliminary report. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, this -- we've already 19 had the preliminary. The final report, I'm sorry. Thank you 20 for correcting me. And I want to express appreciation for the 21 information we've gotten. But I think, as -- as good as their 22 final report is going to be, I think it is going to identify 23 one or two issues that probably need to be -- we need to sit 24 down and resolve, which will affect the budget. And I'm not 25 on that subcommittee, and I'm not asking to be on that 2-6-06 jcc 25 1 subcommittee. But I'm -- I'm hopeful that once that final 2 report is in, and the issues that need to be worked out in 3 advance, we have the opportunity to do that, because that will 4 affect the budget. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We will try. And being on 6 that committee is not for little children. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I understand. Thanks for 8 not inviting me. 9 MAYOR SMITH: One of the things on these committees, 10 we all have representatives, ex-officio or actual members of 11 the committee, and it should be the responsibility of the 12 people that are on those committees to communicate with your 13 -- your own body to kind of get an idea of what's going on. 14 So, I think that's pretty important. Most of the problems we 15 have is all -- goes around communication, and so all we have 16 to do is kind of get all this stuff -- information to the 17 right people as soon as possible. 18 MR. MOCK: And I think, Mr. Hofmann, in our retreat, 19 aren't we looking to -- for ourselves, as well as with the new 20 personnel that we've hired in the accounting, to come up with 21 some more efficient monthly reports? 22 MR. HOFMANN: Yes. That is something we talked 23 about, yes, sir. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Y'all's employee health benefits, are 25 y'all on a calendar year or fiscal, or how -- what's the 2-6-06 jcc 26 1 policy period? 2 MR. HOFMANN: Fiscal. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 MAYOR SMITH: October 1st. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're on a calendar. We had 6 talked about it at a previous meeting, of looking at, you 7 know, possible ways to save both of us money in that area. 8 MR. HOFMANN: Yeah. And I don't have a report to 9 give today, other than to say we're still looking at it, and 10 have asked our consultant to look at our opportunities to 11 combine efforts with other entities in general, and see if 12 there's a potential savings. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Who's the City consultant? 14 MR. HOFMANN: You know, I can't remember the firm 15 name. Mike or Brenda can let me know, but the gentleman's 16 name is Larry Pittman. 17 MR. HAYES: Roach Howard. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Roach Howard? I mean, the 19 County uses Gary Looney out of San Antonio. And it will be -- 20 makes probably the most sense to get the two consultants to 21 talk, because -- 22 MR. HOFMANN: Good idea. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- they're going to know a lot 24 quicker than -- 25 MR. HOFMANN: That's right. 2-6-06 jcc 27 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- certainly I'm going to 2 understand whether this makes sense at all. If we can get 3 that name to y'all -- we'll send that name over to you so they 4 can communicate. 5 MR. MEEK: Paul, in, I think, the T.M.L. calendar, 6 there's some upcoming meeting of counties and cities. Is -- 7 where was that meeting and when is it? Do you -- 8 MR. HOFMANN: I can't remember. We will have 9 someone there. But I'll try to get that information back -- 10 MR. MEEK: We'll share that with the County also. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that an employee health benefits 12 or employee benefits -- 13 MR. MEEK: It's not just health, but it includes 14 health. It is joint -- exactly what you're talking about, 15 Judge; it's a banding together of numerous entities for cost 16 savings. It's coming up pretty shortly. 17 MR. HOFMANN: Yeah, it is. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It would sure save on the 19 service. It would make sense to -- whether you're talking 20 about the City or County, for both of us to get into large 21 pools, because I'm sure y'all are like us, that one or two big 22 claims or issues really can mess up your premiums for the 23 following year, and we need to get into a larger pool than we 24 both have, probably, to help lower that risk a little bit. 25 MR. COLEMAN: And you all have approximately 300 2-6-06 jcc 28 1 employees? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Little over 300. Probably three 3 -- there's -- on the health insurance, there's, I think, 310 4 last time we checked in. 5 MR. COLEMAN: We're probably a little more. 6 MR. HOFMANN: Right at 300. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So we're about the same size. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. I think the -- there's a 9 considerable difference on the -- on the dependent coverage on 10 y'all's side from our side, but the employee I think is pretty 11 much the same. Stop loss. Where are y'all on stop loss? 12 MR. HOFMANN: 70. 13 MR. MEEK: 70,000. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: 70? 75? 15 MR. HOFMANN: 70,000. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I think we're at 50, so 17 there's a difference there. I suspect on pool coverage, you 18 pretty much have to equalize the plans. That, again, of 19 course, will be a question for the consultants to -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we may be so far off that it 21 would be hard to do that. But, you know, I think it's worth 22 looking at, certainly. But I suspect we're not that far off. 23 I mean, we've done some new things in the past couple years to 24 try to help our costs, like the health savings plan -- or 25 health savings accounts and things of that nature. 2-6-06 jcc 29 1 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which have been pretty 3 successful. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Not always popular, but pretty 5 successful from a cost standpoint. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: From a budget standpoint, 7 successful. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: What else we got, gentlemen? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On the -- just time frame, work 10 on the ETJ. The mayor brought up earlier, we have six months 11 to kind of go through those problems. What's your timetable 12 on when we should start going -- I guess we're probably into 13 our second month now. When do y'all want to sit down and kind 14 of see what we need to look at? 15 MR. HOFMANN: Yeah. Mr. Menzies did put together a 16 schedule. I'm not recollecting it as I sit here, but I'll get 17 that information to you. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because there are a couple of 19 areas that I know we didn't think about, such as floodplain in 20 the ETJ, O.S.S.F. in the ETJ. I know they're being addressed, 21 and we've kind of handled them one-on-one, but I think we need 22 to look at those and make sure that those things were -- have 23 been -- kind of to make sure we're doing those the best way. 24 And if we need to -- and if there may be some ways to do some 25 interlocal agreements to switch some of those functions around 2-6-06 jcc 30 1 in those areas to make them a little bit more efficient, it 2 may be wise; may not. But we didn't really think about that. 3 MR. HOFMANN: You mean in terms of who is the 4 Floodplain Administrator? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's -- in the ETJ right now, 6 still the County has to do it, which means it has to go out to 7 Road and Bridge, and that's something I don't know why the 8 City couldn't take over that function through interlocal 9 agreement. 10 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: O.S.S.F., I mean, y'all don't 12 have any equivalent department, so that probably has to come 13 back through the County, but we just need to make sure that 14 we're all -- all bases are covered. And there may be a few 15 other areas. I know we had some areas -- 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Water availability. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What? 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Water availability. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Water availability was another 20 one. Headwaters and -- you know how all that works. I -- 21 Headwaters and the County have worked very closely trying to 22 come up with well-spacing, lot size configuration and all 23 that. And I'm not -- I don't know if the City was involved in 24 any of that or not, or if y'all even have the authority to do 25 water availability. 2-6-06 jcc 31 1 MR. HOFMANN: I was visited by a member of the 2 Headwaters Board, who told me that they were looking at 3 well-spacing criteria, amending well-spacing criteria, and I 4 encouraged him to -- just as soon as they have something to 5 share, to share it, and if we need to amend our Subdivision 6 Code to comply with it, then that's what we would recommend to 7 the City Council. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause, I mean, it's -- I have 9 to go back in to, you know, look -- we have both -- attorneys 10 on both sides. Counties have no authority to set lot sizes, 11 but we can set lot sizes based on water availability, which is 12 what we have done. In the ETJ, you know, we were mandated -- 13 we have to come up with one set of rules. And y'all set -- I 14 mean -- 15 MR. HOFMANN: If -- can we set lot sizes? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can y'all set lot sizes in the 17 ETJ? 18 MR. HOFMANN: Yes, we can, sure. And that was one 19 of the things we said we would look at over the next six 20 months. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 MR. HOFMANN: 'Cause right now, it's nonexistent. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. Anyway, it's -- so, 24 okay. Well, Paul has the schedule, and he'll get that over to 25 us so we can -- 2-6-06 jcc 32 1 MR. HOFMANN: Yep. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- take a look at that. 3 MR. HOFMANN: But I didn't -- I wasn't thinking 4 about the Floodplain Administrator thing, and I think you make 5 a good point. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just -- 7 MR. HOFMANN: It's not something I remember coming 8 up. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. It just -- 10 MR. HOFMANN: I don't think we would have to do it, 11 because, you know, we are sharing plats as we go. Who is your 12 Floodplain Administrator? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Leonard Odom. But the problem 14 comes in, if the County continues to do that, then the -- then 15 the whole purpose of this -- to make it so the developers have 16 one-stop shopping, they're going to still have to then go out 17 to Road and Bridge to get that done. 18 MR. HOFMANN: Right. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Even though it's not part of -- 20 MR. HOFMANN: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the platting process. 22 MR. HOFMANN: I think it makes sense. We can look 23 at doing that. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As long as the fee structure is 25 similar, I don't think there should be any problem with that. 2-6-06 jcc 33 1 MR. HOFMANN: Okay. In fact -- Mike, I don't mean 2 to put you on the spot. What -- do you know what our 3 floodplain ordinance says about floodplain administration in 4 the ETJ? State law lets us do it. 5 MR. HAYES: I don't know what it says off the top of 6 my head. 7 MR. HOFMANN: All right. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody got anything else? Going 9 once. 10 MR. COLEMAN: Now, before we close, in preparation 11 for our next meeting, it would help me if we could get a set 12 of minutes that kind of recap these topics that we were 13 discussing. That could help me focus the night before. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, we can -- Kathy's 15 taking down word-for-word, and once she gets her work 16 completed and gets it printed up in language that you and I 17 can understand, we'll be happy to send y'all copies of it. 18 MR. COLEMAN: Well, it would help me just before, -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 20 MR. COLEMAN: -- in preparation for our meeting, if 21 I revisit mentally some of these things we've talked about. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Verbatim transcripts are -- there's a 23 link on our website that you can go straight to every one of 24 them. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's true. 2-6-06 jcc 34 1 MR. COLEMAN: That's a good thing. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Takes her a while, though, 3 'cause she covers not only us, but covers State Hospital, 4 covers several different courts, so it takes her a little 5 while to get it up there. 6 MR. COLEMAN: And, Buster, if you'd peek at Brenda's 7 pad there, hers is probably equally as hard to read as hers. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Everything about Brenda is 9 hard to read. 10 MR. COLEMAN: You're on your own now. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We came in the door together 12 with that. Thank you guys for breakfast; it was fantastic. 13 Very good. Very good, and the kind thought the wonderful. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: We appreciate your hospitality. 15 Appreciate the opportunity to jawbone about these things 16 that -- 17 MAYOR SMITH: Well, next time we might have a later 18 meal; might cost a little more. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. But, of course, at that time 20 it will be our turn, won't it? 21 MAYOR SMITH: Yeah. 22 MR. MEEK: Exactly. 23 MAYOR SMITH: I haven't put my foot in my mouth yet, 24 so I might as well do that and get it over with. I was 25 talking with my brother-in-law that lives in Doss, and they 2-6-06 jcc 35 1 have a volunteer fire department, a volunteer EMS. I said, 2 "How do you get your equipment?" They're all -- we get it all 3 in grants. I think they had three brush trucks, a pumper 4 truck, a utility truck and a tanker, and they have an EMS 5 unit, and it's all volunteer. "They don't charge anybody 6 anything," is what he said. Now, I don't know; it seemed like 7 there would be some charges there, but they provide a service 8 free. They get 800 -- $8,000 from the county, and they raise 9 their other money with barbecues and things like that. And 10 Kerrville has a first -- a first-class fire department. We 11 get our ratings down low on our -- the amount of insurance 12 everybody pays, and we -- we have trained people on our EMS 13 vehicles and everything. So -- so, we're trying to provide a 14 first-class service for our citizens, and then they fuss about 15 maybe the taxes are too high. Well, it's very difficult to 16 run a first-class operation without money. 17 So -- so -- but it -- you hear somebody like that; 18 you know, Fredericksburg has a volunteer fire department, 19 period. And there's just things that have to mesh in, and 20 it's up to our citizens to tell us what kind of -- what kind 21 of a service they want from us. And, like the library; the 22 library's open 56 hours a week or something like that. Well, 23 if people don't want to pay for the library, well, we cut down 24 the services. That's -- I don't think that's the answer, but 25 it's kind of up to our citizens to tell us. We can make 2-6-06 jcc 36 1 recommendations and provide services, and as far as I'm 2 concerned, I would like for Kerrville and Kerr County to be 3 first-class governmental bodies providing these services as 4 best we can for people. So, when we're going through this 5 budget process, I guess we have to scratch our heads; are we 6 providing too much or not enough and so forth. So, there I'm 7 putting my foot in my mouth, so that's the end of my 8 conversation in that regard. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, Fredericksburg and 10 Bandera and Doss and all those have the volunteer. What they 11 do is they have a couple of hired people that are on around 12 the clock type thing, but basically volunteer. But this 13 Commissioner will tell you that we don't want to go that 14 route. 15 MAYOR SMITH: Well, that's what I think. We -- 16 Kerrville used to have a volunteer -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're doing pretty good. 18 MAYOR SMITH: I think we're doing good. I think 19 we're buying good services for our citizens in these -- in 20 these functions that we have. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, you're providing 22 top-of-the-line services, in my opinion. 23 MAYOR SMITH: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I really think that this 25 particular community is -- they demand that. The people that 2-6-06 jcc 37 1 I know and I deal with as my constituents demand that quality 2 of service, and that's what I want to give them. 3 MAYOR SMITH: Yeah. And they have to pay for it. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They -- oh, yeah, they have 5 to pay for it. 6 MAYOR SMITH: So that -- 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have to pay for it. Hell, 8 I'm a taxpayer. 9 MAYOR SMITH: I mean -- oh, speaking of putting your 10 -- putting your foot in your mouth, I had our financial people 11 determine what part of the property taxes that go to the 12 County had come from within the city. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You are putting your foot in 14 your mouth. 15 MAYOR SMITH: 47 percent. So, we are -- the city is 16 part of the county, and 47 percent of your property taxes come 17 from within the city limits. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And sales tax is the reverse. 19 MAYOR SMITH: You cheap guys, y'all don't spend any 20 money. I wish I could figure out what that is. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's not hard. 22 MAYOR SMITH: If you come into town and buy 23 groceries, there's no sales tax on groceries. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's just the opposite of 25 the others. Just take 53 percent of the sales tax, Gene; you 2-6-06 jcc 38 1 got the answer. 2 MAYOR SMITH: Okay, whatever you say. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I figured it out. I'll send it 4 over to you. 5 MAYOR SMITH: Okay, if you have the answer. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I can just tell you that, you 7 know, proportionately, if you assume the, you know, people are 8 going to shop in the city of Kerrville, county residents will, 9 then they're subsidizing the city as -- it works both ways. I 10 think it came out -- I forgot how close it was, but the 11 property tax versus sales tax was within 10 percentage points 12 of each other in dollars, so it's not that big of an issue one 13 way or the other. 14 MAYOR SMITH: Well, we need to spend our citizens' 15 money wisely. That's the answer. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would agree with that. 17 MAYOR SMITH: Okay. Do we have anything else? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything from the County standpoint? 19 Thank you, gentlemen. Appreciate it. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Next meeting? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: August. 22 MR. HOFMANN: First week in August, and we'll work 23 on creating a schedule. Is that okay? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: First week in August. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Not later than first week in August. 2-6-06 jcc 39 1 MR. HOFMANN: Not later than first week in August; 2 that will be six months. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: There is one other topic I 4 wanted to bring up. It's not City/County, but has to do with 5 rural transportation. And there is a service provided by -- 6 by A.R.T., Alamo Regional Transit. The County subsidizes it 7 to the tune of about 8,500 a year, 8,800, whatever it is. 8 I'll be happy to provide you the statistics of what takes 9 place in rural transportation. It all flows out of the bus 10 depot on Schreiner Street, which is a separate issue, but 11 that's where it comes from. And the amount of services 12 provided is really quite interesting, the number of trips. 13 And the trips take -- are for Kerr County citizens, whether 14 they're in the city or our outside the city, 60 and under and 15 60 and over. There's a dividing line, and that has to do with 16 some of the grant funding that's provided for 60-plus. But 17 the basics of the transportation are, it's almost a sub -- 18 it's almost like a taxi service, because it's not scheduled, 19 but it takes people without transportation, regardless of age, 20 to the doctor, if they have no transportation, to shopping, 21 all sorts of things that are vital to their quality of life 22 and the necessities of life. All I'm doing is saying, when 23 you guys are considering your budget, I would urge you to do 24 as the County is doing and support rural transportation. 25 Doesn't take a lot, but I think you ought to be a player in it 2-6-06 jcc 40 1 as well. 2 MR. MEEK: Does that include people in the city 3 limits also? 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. 5 MAYOR SMITH: I know you're real active in AACOG, 6 and the City hasn't been active to the -- your extent. Of 7 course, you're on the board. Is there any particular meeting 8 that would -- that I could go to, and maybe the City Manager 9 go down and it would be -- I know they have a whole bunch of 10 little meetings. Is there any particular meeting we could go 11 to that would have an overview of what AACOG does? 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You're welcome at any board 13 meeting. As you know, the structure of the board is -- there 14 are more people who could come from cities than there are from 15 counties, so the counties and the cities divide up into groups 16 regionally and choose their representative for the board. But 17 you're welcome any time. And if you think it's important or 18 would like to have an overview session, I'll arrange it with 19 Al Notzon, and we'll get all the various department heads 20 together, criminal justice, environmental, the grants people, 21 the whole bit, and we can put that together if that's 22 something you'd like to do. 23 MR. COLEMAN: I'd like to see that myself, just from 24 an educational standpoint. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It is an important function 2-6-06 jcc 41 1 to -- to our city and county governments. There's over $25 2 million of money that comes floating through, and it's going 3 someplace. And our goal, sitting in a place like Kerr County, 4 is to make sure we get our share, 'cause there's a big gorilla 5 that sits in the middle, and he definitely gets his share. 6 MAYOR SMITH: San Antonio. Well, I think it's 7 important that we -- that we become more knowledgeable, at 8 least me personally, and I'm sure that some of the other 9 Council people might be interested. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Be happy to play a part in 11 arranging that. 12 MAYOR SMITH: Okay. Well, Paul, I guess try to 13 figure out a proper time, 'cause I think you should definitely 14 be there. 15 MR. HOFMANN: Well, I heard a couple of Council 16 members express interest, and so -- you know, and that's 17 great. It's -- now it's a meeting, so we'll need to schedule 18 that accordingly. If it's okay, I'll get with Commissioner 19 Williams and -- 20 MAYOR SMITH: Could they come up here to have a -- 21 so we could have a meeting with our City Council? Or should 22 we go down there? We'll have to have a -- 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'll put in a call and see 24 what I can find out. 25 MR. HOFMANN: Appreciate it. 2-6-06 jcc 42 1 MAYOR SMITH: Thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wouldn't it be best, though, 3 if they went to San Antonio so they could see the full 4 function? 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It probably would, Buster, 6 because the criminal justice element's there, the police 7 academy's there and all of the various departments are there, 8 and you could be stepped through everything that takes place. 9 It might be better if -- 10 MR. HOFMANN: Just a matter of scheduling it and 11 posting it. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'll talk it out. 13 MAYOR SMITH: We can schedule a posted meeting in 14 some remote area. 15 MR. HOFMANN: Sure. 16 MAYOR SMITH: Okay. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Pretty extensive operation going on 18 down there. 19 MAYOR SMITH: Yeah. Well, it seems like if they're 20 going to give away some money, we ought to have our hand out 21 when we go down. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on behalf of the 23 County? If not, I'll declare that our meeting is adjourned. 24 MAYOR SMITH: City Council meeting is adjourned also 25 at 9:27. 2-6-06 jcc 43 1 (Joint meeting adjourned at 9:27 a.m.) 2 - - - - - - - - - - 3 4 5 STATE OF TEXAS | 6 COUNTY OF KERR | 7 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 8 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my 9 capacity as County Clerk of the Commissioners Court 10 of Kerr County, Texas, at the time and place 11 heretofore set forth. 12 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 8th day of 13 February, 2006. 14 15 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 16 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 17 Certified Shorthand Reporter 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2-6-06 jcc