1 2 3 4 5 6 7 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 8 Budget Workshop 9 Monday, June 26, 2006 10 3:20 p.m. 11 Commissioners' Courtroom 12 Kerr County Courthouse 13 Kerrville, Texas 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 23 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 DAVE NICHOLSON, Commissioner Pct. 4 24 ABSENT: H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 25 2 1 I N D E X June 26, 2006 2 PAGE 3 BUDGET WORKSHOP 4 1. Preliminary budget discussion 3 5 2. Budget workshop format and timeline 3 6 3. Organization chart 14 7 Adjourned 21 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-26-06wk 3 1 On Monday, June 26, 2006, at 3:20 p.m., a budget 2 workshop of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. At this time I'll convene a 8 budget workshop originally scheduled for 2 p.m. this date, to 9 consist of preliminary budget discussion, budget workshop 10 format and timeline, and organizational chart. I've got, with 11 the exception of I think one department, unless it's come in 12 and I was unaware of it, all of the requests in. I have not 13 had the opportunity to squeeze all of those requests yet, but 14 that's next up on my radar screen. And the Tax Assessor might 15 be interested in this -- both of them. 16 MS. BOLIN: This is going to be fun the next few 17 months. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. I have tentatively plugged 19 into my schedule some judicial juvenile training for the last 20 week in September, so I guess my message is, whatever number 21 of weeks we got left, I'd like to shorten that by one. Okay? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's good news. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, it is good news. The other 24 thing is, I'm really disappointed that -- that we can't get 25 together with the City a whole lot quicker. 6-26-06wk 4 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So am I. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Have we excluded Fridays? I don't 3 think anybody on this end has. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think one of the problems, I 5 think, that has come -- you know, and it's self-imposed by the 6 City, is that they're not going to have any of these budgets 7 for their departments ready until the third or fourth week of 8 the month, which -- I mean, to me, it was fine to meet with 9 them, but -- there was one meeting set up for the 12th at one 10 point, that Wednesday, but I know we don't have the airport 11 budget ready, and we're not going to have it on the 12th. I 12 mean, and that's -- I think I told Kathy, I said I have -- I 13 know the City canceled that meeting, but there was no point to 14 have it if they don't have these budgets -- these joint 15 budgets together and ready for us to look at, on the ones that 16 they manage. I mean, I don't see the point of meeting with 17 them just to meet with them. I'd like to have a budget number 18 on the table, and I am disappointed in the fact that 19 they're -- they seem really slow this year in getting these 20 numbers out. But, you know, that's something, unfortunately, 21 we don't have any control over directly. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think a lot of that has to 23 do, Commissioner, with the new City Manager and the new 24 Director of Finance. And they got a new Director of Finance 25 who is a C.P.A., and I think she's making some significant 6-26-06wk 5 1 changes. I think that a lot of that has to do with that. 2 Doesn't help us any, but I think that's it. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think -- the last I talked 4 to Kathy was that we're looking at the 1st. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: August 3rd. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: August 3rd? Is that the date? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. And I belatedly discovered 8 that I've got a juvenile conference that entire day. But, you 9 know, if that's the only time we can do it, I'll make -- if 10 push comes to shove, or -- you know, I really -- you know, if 11 they don't have the information, I'm kind of like you. What 12 are we going to talk about? The weather? You know, if we 13 don't have any real numbers to take a look at, it's not going 14 to be of any great benefit for us. I think we recognize our 15 participation and our obligation with each of these functions, 16 but we're really needing some real numbers. The -- the ad 17 valorem tax numbers should be in by the tail end of July? 18 MS. RECTOR: Yes, July 26th or thereabouts. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. We should plan on probably the 20 very end of July. 21 MS. RECTOR: Probably so. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Any preliminary prognostications on 23 that, percentage-wise? 24 MS. RECTOR: I got some preliminary totals, but I 25 have not looked to see what the percentage of increase is in 6-26-06wk 6 1 the value. Did you not get a copy of the preliminary? 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I've not seen one. 3 MS. RECTOR: I will get the copy to you. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: You know, I can look at the expense 5 side all day, but I'd sure like to keep one eye -- of course, 6 I don't have but one good one working now; it's kind of hard 7 to keep one eye peeled over there on the income side. I guess 8 I'm going to have to do it in two distinct pieces this year, 9 unless something changes. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And on the -- from working 11 through -- I mean, I think Bill and I can come up with a 12 pretty good guess on the airport, and I'm sure Dave has a 13 pretty good guess on the library. The one that's the big 14 unknown in my mind is EMS. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: EMS, yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I don't know if the City's 17 going to plan any changes on fire or not. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I saw an e-mail -- I guess it was 19 yesterday, that there were some discussions going on between 20 the City Manager and Commissioner Baldwin about -- he inquired 21 about EMS, and I think the response said that the Fire Chief 22 was looking at EMS and Kerrville fire contract. He threw that 23 one in, and that leads me to believe that there may be 24 something in the offing there. Maybe -- maybe I'm paranoid, 25 but -- 6-26-06wk 7 1 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think one thing we can 2 count on is that they're going to do some extraordinary salary 3 increases in probably the majority of their job 4 classifications. Their salary surveys have shown that they're 5 behind in their comparison group, and I think you'll see -- I 6 don't know -- I say extraordinary. It will be more than 7 cost-of-living. I think you'll see some, perhaps, significant 8 adjustments in patrolmen, for example, dispatch, things like 9 that. By the way, two weeks ago, we talked about the library 10 budget, and I gave you a bad number about current budget. 11 The -- the worksheet budget is only up 2 or 3 percent from 12 last year. Still a big number. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Your -- your comments about City 14 salaries, were you referring only to the Police Department, or 15 are you talking about city-wide? 16 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I asked Mr. Hofmann if 17 there was -- if he found disparities across the board or in 18 just a few classifications. He said not in all 19 classifications, but most. So, it may be Finance Department, 20 maybe an inspector job; I don't know where it is, but 21 certainly -- certainly patrolmen, he did say that at higher 22 levels, like the detective and stuff like that, there weren't 23 -- weren't. But, anyhow, you know, you could be looking at an 24 extra 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 percent on salaries over there. And, 25 of course, salaries are a big chunk of your budget. This 6-26-06wk 8 1 would impact EMS, would impact the library. Not sure about 2 airport. If we meet -- when we meet, if we don't have all the 3 numbers we need on a particular budget, we might be able to 4 talk strategically, like what are we going to do about the 5 library? What about user-pay for EMS? Those kinds of issues. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: What are we looking at as far as 7 starting our actual in-detail workshops? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, as I think I said earlier, 9 I mean, I -- well, are you going to -- what's your direction? 10 Are we going to have workshops and then a budget? Or present 11 a kind of a budget compiled exactly -- kind of what we've done 12 in the past; give us a budget, and have -- then have the 13 workshops? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it's my hope to give you at 15 least a preliminary before we have the workshops, but I'm 16 probably going to be inclined, as I have in years past, to 17 take the approach that, except as to the longevity and -- and 18 educational raises, the things that are mandated by existing 19 policy, that any generalized pay increases and major capital 20 expenditure items -- I think those are something the entire 21 Court needs to have input and be able to make whatever 22 inquiries they want before any final decision is made. And I 23 really would like to have all of the -- I'd like to know where 24 that's going to relate us to vis-a-vis the income line too, 25 and that's not going to happen till after the 1st of -- of 6-26-06wk 9 1 August. So, anything we do prior to that time, we're going to 2 be talking about expense only, without regard to -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My -- I think I've said this 4 before. My preference would be, on salaries, to put in the 5 cost-of-living adjustment first. And I -- then merit and some 6 of that, 'cause, I mean, I think that -- I really think that 7 you have to -- a cost-of-living adjustment is almost not 8 optional. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I just think -- I mean, 11 otherwise, you're asking people to work for less next year 12 than last year. I think we've always been pretty conservative 13 on that, but at least we've done something. I really would 14 like to see the numbers with that in. I agree with you on 15 capital items, and I agree with you on any kind of merit 16 increases and things of that nature. But -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, is that the Court's sense, that 18 they'd like to see it with a -- with a COLA on the front end? 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I would. And I think you 20 can get that, Judge, by -- through the U.S. Department of 21 Labor's web site; they keep a running index going, updated 22 month-by-month. So, you could get that for whenever you're 23 ready, end of May or end of June, whatever. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: I think you got it last year. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I did get it last year. 6-26-06wk 10 1 I'll get it again this year if you want me to. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, yeah. If you -- probably wait 3 till after the 1st of July, so that we might get an additional 4 month's mobility into it. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We can get it through June. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah, I'd like to see the 8 cost to begin with. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: And just -- you've heard me 11 say this before. Our employees aren't paid too much. They 12 need and deserve cost-of-living increases at least. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I agree. 14 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think the only problem 15 is, we've got too many employees. I'd rather have fewer 16 employees and pay them better than have too many employees. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree with that philosophy. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. All right. If -- if that's 19 the sense of the Court, that's what I'll plug in up front, 20 then. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On the -- from a timing 22 standpoint, seems like in previous years, we've had our 23 workshops prior to getting the revenue side as well. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: We have started the workshops prior 25 to getting the revenue side, I think. I -- I think there's 6-26-06wk 11 1 been a lot of listening, but not a lot of decision making 2 that's gone on, until we see how the revenue side was going to 3 affect us. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'd like to get some of that 5 listening out of the way. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Some of our smaller 8 departments. Paula, if you know -- we talked about the 9 preliminary numbers by the end of July. What's the volume 10 of -- of protests that KCAD is entertaining right now? Is it 11 heavy, immediate, or -- 12 MS. RECTOR: It's not heavy at all. I think most of 13 the protests are being cleared by staff review. There's not 14 going to be a whole lot going to A.R.D. That's my 15 understanding. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 17 MS. RECTOR: I haven't gotten any numbers lately 18 from them. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Didn't the statements come out 20 late? I mean, it just seems -- 21 MS. RECTOR: The appraisal notices? They were about 22 where they normally are. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It just seems when we got it -- 24 I got one late, and I was just -- 25 MS. RECTOR: A lot of it overlaps. And I think 6-26-06wk 12 1 you're an overlap, aren't you? And so am I, so I have not 2 received my appraisal notice from Comfort School District or 3 Kendall yet either, but I got mine from Kerr just last week. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause last week I got Kerr. I 5 had both of them. 6 MS. RECTOR: On the overlaps, they were coming out 7 later than the other appraisal notices, about two weeks later. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right, that explains it. 9 So, then, Judge, the week of the -- is it 10th or 17th you 10 want to start doing some workshops? 11 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The sooner, the better. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I hope I could have a lot of my 14 one-on-ones out of the way by then. Got one or two other 15 things that I got to be working on, but I'll sure do my 16 dangdest to have it -- for scheduling purposes, Wednesday is 17 always my best day. Tuesday afternoons and Wednesdays. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Likewise for me. So, good. Two 19 days. Wednesday's probably the best day of the week. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Wednesdays are typically 21 good -- well, some of them, anyway. A couple of them in the 22 month -- 23 JUDGE TINLEY: The third one is not good. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Third and fourth are not 25 good. 6-26-06wk 13 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well, the 12th would be a good 2 day for you. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's fine, yes. 12th's 4 good. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Budget workshop. What time do you 6 wish to start? 9:00? 10:00? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 9:00. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Do you want to schedule one 10 the following Wednesday also? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He's got AACOG. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: No, that's right. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'll be out. But -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 18th -- the afternoon of the 15 18th? 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 18th would work better for 17 me. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Let me see. 1:30? 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. Okay, that's two. 20 That'll get us rolling. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: For what it's worth, 23 probably I'll be out of the county August 20 through 27. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: We got us a couple to work on now. 6-26-06wk 14 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The other item to put on, or 2 kind of -- item's kind of a collaborative effort, but ask 3 Kathy to rework the organization chart a little bit. Dave put 4 it together a couple weeks ago, and I put it on here again 5 'cause it seemed like related to budget is organization of 6 departments. And I think at some point in the next couple 7 weeks, we need to decide if we're going to try to do any 8 reorganization, or say no, it's a nice thing to talk about, 9 but no, we're not going to do anything. I mean, it's -- the 10 latter is certainly the easier course, not necessarily the 11 better. Problem is, the way I look at it, I have a real hard 12 time seeing how you restructure a lot of this, put different 13 departments together, that is going to be more cost-effective, 14 because they're so -- such different -- I mean, for example, 15 Environmental Health. 16 I see Miguel is out there; I'll use Environmental 17 Health. It's a small department. It's a specialized 18 department. Someone needs to be kind of coordinating that 19 department, so even if you had -- say we were, you know, to 20 move Environmental Health and Solid Waste under -- over with 21 subdivisions, something like that, in Road and Bridge. Then 22 you still need to have someone in charge who's a knowledgeable 23 "go-to" person in Solid Waste. I don't see that you're 24 gaining a spot there, because there's really -- I mean, 'cause 25 Miguel is not an office manager, as far as someone, you know, 6-26-06wk 15 1 who sits in the office. He's out there doing the inspections 2 and working, and probably not 100 percent, but I would say a 3 small percentage of his time is actually done on the 4 management side. Most of it's doing the actual work. I don't 5 know if that's true or not, but that's my perception. So, I 6 just don't see how you gain a whole lot by adding more 7 management. And -- but I'm certainly willing to, you know, 8 listen and try to figure out if there's some organization 9 changes that can be made. Just whenever I look at it, it 10 looks pretty hard to do. I think the area that there is more 11 area to really look at is the whole list of things that -- 12 kind of under the administration up under Commissioners Court. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think we're going to have 14 our hands full, seriously, by bringing human resources 15 functions up here, in terms of reorganization. That's going 16 to be a -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think, yeah, bringing that up 18 here, and some -- probably, you know, changes possibly in 19 maintenance and things going around like that, I mean, I just 20 see a lot of -- 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, coupled with the human 22 resources aspect of it is -- is the Court Coordinator's 23 position. Dave talked about that as well. And if and how 24 that's restructured, if and how we -- or whether we create a 25 working role adjacent -- in conjunction with that, that whole 6-26-06wk 16 1 thing adds up to a pretty good pot. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If the Judge -- 3 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think we'll probably make 4 good progress on Wednesday, trying to define what the 5 possibilities are there, getting some idea of the scope of it. 6 And the other thing -- and Tommy's going to be there. Tommy's 7 recommending that we consider employing his replacement in 8 advance so that he can -- whoever he or she is can be trained 9 up and ready to assume those duties, 'cause he's pretty much 10 served notice that he's not going to be here forever. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: He did that one other time, 12 too. 13 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah. A couple other 14 thoughts on it is, perhaps we should be moving -- or trying to 15 assess the opportunities for outsourcing payroll. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. 17 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Perhaps we shouldn't delay 18 much longer to -- let's not do it, but assess it and find out 19 who can do it and how much it would cost, and is that a better 20 alternative than doing it in-house? 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I agree, and I've got some 22 contacts and suggestions that Mr. Beltrone gave me which I've 23 delayed following up on, but now is the time. 24 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We'll talk about that on 25 Wednesday also. 6-26-06wk 17 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: And the other idea is that 3 when you -- when you have turnover in a management or 4 supervisory slot, that's a good time to think about making 5 changes. So, should we have any retirements or resignations 6 coming up, maybe we can think about how we could do things -- 7 how we could organize around that to do things differently. 8 This -- the concept of teams, as opposed to hierarchal 9 organizations with supervisors is -- is a really interesting 10 one, something I've seen going on out at Animal Control. 11 They've been short-handed by two people, and then one. It was 12 five to three, and then back up to four, and now they're still 13 at four. And, of course, Janie's the boss out there, but 14 they're operating more like a team than a hierarchal 15 organization, and I think it gets better results. It's 16 certainly -- I've seen in industry where teams get a whole lot 17 better results than "I'm the boss and you're the hoss" kind of 18 organizations. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Toyota, among others -- Dell used it. 20 Toyota uses it. 21 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We started a factory in 22 Bryan, Texas a few years ago with no supervisors. Everybody 23 was equal, and their purchasing and manufacturing, their 24 shipping, they did all the things as a team, but it was 25 probably the most productive organization we had in the whole 6-26-06wk 18 1 company. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think that latter -- that 3 latter role of purchasing that you mentioned is of equal 4 importance -- 5 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yes. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- in our scheme of things. 7 Not only for what we know that we're going try to bring up 8 here, but what we know is taking place in the Maintenance 9 Department as well, 'cause a good bit of purchasing happens 10 through them. It's an important item. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of the issues I've always 12 had with purchasing is -- I don't know if I want to say 13 this -- is who that person reports to. As I understand it, 14 it's not this Court. It's the same situation as with the 15 Auditor, and they go to the District Judges. And I think that 16 there's -- not that I think the -- I have any problem with 17 the -- 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think you're wrong. If 19 you take -- if you take a look at the Ector County model, 20 which is probably one of the premier purchasing models in the 21 state of Texas, that department reports to Commissioners 22 Court. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That needs to be clarified. It 24 changes my view a lot, because if it reports to Commissioners 25 Court, I have a lot more -- we have more control over costs. 6-26-06wk 19 1 Put it that way. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. 3 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We got something from the 4 County Attorney addressing that issue, and I think it 5 concluded we can appoint auditors, which is different than 6 district -- I mean appoint purchasing agents. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Surely. Well, we can, yes. 9 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: That confused me, though. 10 It's something that they can't buy anything, or buy the 11 County, but you can appoint them if you want to. So -- 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Dave, that's the same 13 belief -- that's the same case in Bexar County. Purchasing 14 reports to Commissioners Court. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. Well, for one of our 16 workshops, maybe an afternoon session, see if you can get down 17 the lady from Ector County, 'cause she is very knowledgeable 18 and very good. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: She really is. We'll see if 20 we can get her, yeah. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: You've taken on that responsibility, 22 then? 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Oh, why not? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Sounds like volunteering to me. 25 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Are there any -- any 6-26-06wk 20 1 obvious functions that would be candidates for joint ventures 2 with the City or any other political entity? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: There -- they did a survey on health 4 care administration, health benefits administration. They're 5 looking at that. I don't know where they are on that. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the area of floodplain 7 would be one that, to me, would -- should -- I think it's the 8 same rules. I'm not positive about that, but that's one 9 that's a possibility. Another one is parks, 'cause they do 10 have a Parks Department, and we really don't. That may be 11 one, but the issue I see on the parks one is that they spend a 12 lot more on their parks than we spend on our parks. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Who are you talking about? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Parks. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Who? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The City. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Oh, the City. Well, they 18 have a total department, 'cause they have recreation involved, 19 Parks and Recreation. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But just from -- it might be 21 interesting to see what they -- just the basic maintenance 22 part of it, you know. I mean, I don't -- I don't know. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah, they got swimming 24 pools and that kind of stuff. 25 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Golf courses. 6-26-06wk 21 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Golf courses, right. And our 2 parks are pretty much just public spaces. But right now, 3 we've pushed that under Maintenance, and it doesn't fit very 4 well with Maintenance. I mean, mowing those parks, I don't 5 think, fits. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think it fits better under 7 Road and Bridge, if you talk about equipment and manpower-type 8 fit. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Possible. But I think they're 10 -- the issue of using that personnel and equipment for 11 non-Road and Bridge purposes, there's some -- 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Ask the County Attorney. 13 Where'd he go? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: If you can find him, you can ask him. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: He's getting ready to do juvie 17 hearings that we had scheduled at 3:00. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. All right. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that's kind of -- I just 21 want to get this on the table today, discuss it a little bit. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that all we got for right now on 23 the budget workshop? Good enough. We'll stand adjourned. 24 (Budget workshop adjourned at 3:41 p.m.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 6-26-06wk 22 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my 5 capacity as County Clerk of the Commissioners Court 6 of Kerr County, Texas, at the time and place 7 heretofore set forth. 8 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 14th day of 9 July, 2006. 10 11 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 12 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 13 Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-26-06wk