1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Budget Workshop 10 Friday, August 25, 2006 11 1:30 p.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 DAVE NICHOLSON, Commissioner Pct. 4 25 ABSENT: WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 2 1 I N D E X August 25, 2006 2 PAGE --- Workshop to consider and review FY 2006-07 budget, 3 budget priorities and policies; review of department budgets, consideration of matters having budgetary 4 impact and other matters relating to FY 2006-2007 budget 3 5 --- Adjourned 22 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Friday, August 25, 2006, at 1:30 p.m., a budget 2 workshop of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let me call to order the Kerr 8 County Commissioners Court budget workshop scheduled for this 9 date and time, Friday, August 25, 2006, at 1:30 p.m. It is 10 that time now. The item on the agenda is a workshop to 11 consider and review FY 2006-07 budgets, budget priorities and 12 policies, review of department budgets, consideration of 13 matters having budgetary impact, and other matters related to 14 FY 2006-2007 budget. Anything that costs money, I think we've 15 got included here. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That sounds like it. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: After we had our -- our meeting 18 Monday a week ago, I prepared a status report of where we were 19 with the budget and my work with the Auditor, and provided 20 each one of y'all with a copy of that. You got yours, Buster? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, we need that? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Well -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got mine, thank you. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: The first thing that I needed to know 25 was, is there anything on that report -- and I furnished a 8-25-06 wk 4 1 copy to the Auditor to make sure that was factually correct 2 based upon the discussions he and I had had. Is there 3 anything there that you got any question about, need 4 explanation on, or -- we can address those issues first, I 5 suppose. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I do have an 7 announcement to make on the City/County operations. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The fire contract, the City 10 has agreed to leave it at the 125. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well, that's what we've 12 budgeted. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: In the current run. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. The other thing I may want you 17 to take a look at, Commissioner Baldwin, would be the Health 18 and Emergency Services. That's on Page -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: -- 6 of that summary. They show a 21 total figure of 260, y'all recall, and what they presented and 22 indicated in our meeting was that it included everything. 23 When I totaled what we've got plugged in, and I think is 24 included in what they think is 260, I only get just under 244. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. Well, I haven't done 8-25-06 wk 5 1 your math, but let's see. Responder expenses. Is that -- 2 does that include -- let's see. That's for supplies only? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: That's my understanding. They had 4 furnished us with a -- with a sheet, and it was up 5 considerably from 4,000 to 5,000 up to 10,000, as I recall. 6 I've got it here somewhere. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I hear as much from 8 people talking about First Responders as I do anything, and 9 that's true of -- we need to make sure we provide them with 10 equipment and tools to save people's lives. So -- 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, they do a good job. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I didn't even blink when it 13 went up a little bit. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: No, that's a good investment. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But that does not include -- 16 does the 10,400, does that include the First Responder 17 Coordinator's salary? That's built into some other -- 18 JUDGE TINLEY: That may be where -- where the number 19 is off between what I'm showing you as 244 and their -- and 20 the City says is 260 for turnkey for all the emergency health 21 services. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I remember there was a -- 23 there was some salary for him in there somewhere, and the 24 Medical Director. There was some salary in there. But it 25 seemed like to me that was lumped into -- well, you remember, 8-25-06 wk 6 1 you know, first -- I think that's two separate deals. The 2 only thing that we're completely responsible for is the -- is 3 the equipment, you know, the bandaids and whatever all that 4 stuff is. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Supplies. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Supplies. And then the 7 salary issues I'm talking about is lumped into some other 8 area. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I made some notes when we were having 10 our discussion about that 260 figure, when I made inquiry of 11 the Fire Chief. It says, "Includes First Responder program 12 and Medical Director and EMS rent." 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's what you had written 14 down? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. But I don't have anything 16 for -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's see. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: -- the coordinator. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. I think his salary's 20 folded into that. It's like we send -- we send a certain 21 amount over to the City. That doesn't mean that they 22 automatically route to it his salary. We just send it to 23 them, and then they figure out -- but it's just our -- our 24 part of it. I don't know how to make that any clearer. I 25 think it's lumped in there. I think his salary is, because I 8-25-06 wk 7 1 see you having the Medical Director there, so I think they're 2 both -- Medical Director and EMS Coordinator's salaries are in 3 that already. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The First Responder budget that I 5 have now got my hands on has the 10,397 plus. Does not 6 include any personnel costs. It's all equipment, supplies, 7 and things of that nature. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's right, yeah. That's 9 -- that's what I'm saying. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This is the County's part, a 12 separate budget item. And then we send money to the City to 13 pay part of this guy's salary. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And it's rolled into the big 16 EMS contract. And I see you have Medical Director broken out 17 here. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. I picked that up out of 19 another budget, I think. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: But it was a separate entry. Bottom 22 line is, I don't have a firm handle on what the difference is 23 between 244 and 260. We've got $16,000 difference there that 24 I don't -- I don't have a handle on. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, if we want to take a 8-25-06 wk 8 1 three- or four-day break, I'll see if I can get that 2 information. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think we want to do that. 4 Have we got any other questions about that analysis? 5 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah. I want to talk a 6 little more about EMS. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: You may have noticed that 9 I've got an agenda item on Monday's meeting where we propose 10 increasing the EMS fees -- rates. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 12 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: And I've given you a copy 13 of a survey that shows the rates of five close-by EMS 14 services, and what it shows is that we charge a little more 15 than half as much as the others in our neighborhood, which for 16 base rates, we charge 427, and Kendall charges 787. For 17 A.L.S., we charge 525, and Kendall charges 900. Community EMS 18 charges 1,050. We're just -- we're pricing ourselves way, way 19 under what the market -- market is for that. And they're 20 asking us to share, what, 400 and -- our half of a $433,000 21 deficit. So, I'm going to propose that we increase the rates, 22 at least of the users that are outside the city limits in Kerr 23 County, to match the Kendall County rates, and propose that we 24 recommend to the City that they do likewise. I don't have 25 enough data, can't get enough data to know if that'll 8-25-06 wk 9 1 eliminate the shortfall, but it'll come real close to it if it 2 doesn't. What I don't know enough about is how much of a lag 3 there is between the time you bill for the service and the 4 time you put the money in the bank. So, I'm guessing it 5 would -- it would probably eliminate ten-twelfths of the 6 shortfall in the first year. At the end of the first year, if 7 it hasn't eliminated the shortfall, then we ought to raise the 8 rates again. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Y'all recall when we had our joint 10 meeting, the EMS people acknowledged that their actual cost of 11 service was -- I don't have the specific figure, but they were 12 billing for the base cost 331, I believe it was, and -- and 13 they estimated their actual costs at over 500. Five to 550. 14 And it's beyond me why you would even bill at anything less 15 than base cost to a user. 16 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Judge, all four of these 17 other suppliers -- small county suppliers are charging more 18 than 550, so I know Bandera is recovering their costs. And I 19 don't know, but I'm guessing, that the other ones are 20 recovering them. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's going to make a great 22 conversation. 23 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: And it's a lot of money, 24 $230,000. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 8-25-06 wk 10 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other items on that budget status 2 analysis? 3 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think we mean the same 4 thing on the first page, personnel generally. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 6 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: It says eliminates 12 and 7 13. Actually, it moves up to -- 12's up to -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Up to 13, and 13 to 14. 9 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah, we're both saying the 10 same thing. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. Now, to give you an idea 12 of -- of where we are currently, since this was prepared, the 13 Auditor has done another run in which there were certain 14 modifications made, and we added to that, and I gave each of 15 you a copy in your box. Two items. One is the -- we did an 16 estimated Human Resource budget, which came out at something 17 just under 125. And then we did the budget summary sheet, 18 which brings us to -- this is as of yesterday. I gave you a 19 copy of that. I have calculated that end reserve, based on 20 those numbers, at 24.5 percent. And if you'll recall, this 21 time last year, we were looking at something under 20. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: It was, like, 19.4 or 19.6. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: So, with those figures as they stand, 8-25-06 wk 11 1 it brings our reserve to just under 25 percent. That's based 2 on current tax rate. Now, what that does not include, that 3 number does not include -- it does include our 8.12 retirement 4 factor, the new retirement factor. Some of the figures that 5 were in the old run-ups were -- were different from that, so 6 we've plugged it in at 8.12. What is not included is options 7 that we might select that we're going to be considering on 8 Monday. The -- the partial lump sum distribution figure I 9 have calculated, and I'll be happy to give it to you, if you'd 10 like. My calculation for that figure is that's going to cost 11 $20,300, roughly. The reducing the total years of service 12 retirement from 30 to 20 is going to cost 11,375. I do not 13 have calculations for the buy-back provision. If you'll 14 recall, they said they were going to have to do some 15 particularized calculations. 16 I talked with them earlier today. They're going to 17 make an effort to try and give me at least a range of 18 percentage so that, for planning purposes, we'll have that 19 available to us. Their understanding was that we wanted it 20 not later than September 15. Actually, what they're shooting 21 for is next Friday, so -- to have it to us. The other thing 22 is the -- the COLA. There's a COLA plug-in for the retirees, 23 and they're in the process of e-mailing me those costs. 24 They've already been sent, but we haven't gotten them yet. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Will that be a large number? 8-25-06 wk 12 1 JUDGE TINLEY: No, I don't think so. Because, for 2 example, the -- the partial lump sum distribution costs is 3 20,300. (Ms. Mitchell delivered a message to Judge Tinley.) 4 I may have something here. The folks that do the buy-back are 5 reluctant to give me a "ballpark" figure because of a lot of 6 different variables that go into it. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me get those other 8 numbers from you. You have the partial lump sum at 20,300, 9 and there was another -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, that's the years of service, 11 reducing it from 30 to 20. That's 11,375, is what I've 12 calculated. Those numbers are not included in this latest 13 run-up. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay? 16 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Do you want to talk today 17 about the merits of that proposal, or do you want to save that 18 till Monday? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it's an agenda item; I suppose 20 it has budgetary impact. We can talk about it. We can't make 21 any decisions on it, of course, but we can certainly talk 22 about it, 'cause it's got budgetary impact. 23 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Well, I'll just go ahead 24 and offer my opinion. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8-25-06 wk 13 1 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think if we studied in 2 rank order the enhancements we would like to make to our 3 employees' compensation benefits programs, that none of those 4 would rank very high. There's other things we could use that 5 money on that are more important, including base salaries. 6 And the other thing is, I think it's going in the wrong 7 direction. Those changes would encourage people to leave 8 early -- leave their employment early, and benefits should be 9 designed to keep people on the payroll -- experienced, 10 talented, knowledgeable people -- for as long as we can. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you talking about the 30 to 20 12 reduction? 13 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah. So I'm not going to 14 be in favor of spending money to make those benefit changes. 15 If there's something else that's important in the employee 16 compensation benefit package, I'd sure be willing to listen to 17 that. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I'm in agreement with 19 you. I'm a little bit -- I can't make a -- I'm having a hard 20 time making a decision on the partial lump sum issue. Seems 21 to me -- I didn't realize it was going to cost so much money, 22 but seems to me that folks -- you know, it's their money 23 sitting there, and they should be able to go with it. But why 24 is it -- why does it cost the taxpayers? 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I think the reason, Commissioner, why 8-25-06 wk 14 1 it -- why it ends up costing is because there are some 2 instances in which some of the employees' contributions, under 3 certain actuarial circumstances, end up -- some of their money 4 ends up being left in the pool, and so it's -- it can then be 5 spread among the other pool participants. But if they take 6 out what was theirs that they put in, just that portion that's 7 theirs, the possibility that -- that some excess money will go 8 into the pool because of early deaths, early circumstances, 9 survivor annuitants, early demise, stuff like that, it 10 doesn't -- it doesn't remain in the pool. That's my 11 understanding for the reason for that cost. But what I have a 12 hard time coming to grips with is, it's their money. It's 13 money they put in there. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: And to tell them they can't take it 16 out is -- I have some problem with that. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I do too. Actually, I 18 think it's a foolish thing to take that money out, 'cause 19 you're penalized so heavily with taxes. But -- 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I think there's a way they can 21 roll it over if they're very careful about it. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Still their -- still their 23 money. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, is that 20,300 -- is 8-25-06 wk 15 1 that fairly firm? 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, it's -- it's the number they 3 calculated. It's a percentage of -- of payroll costs that 4 they calculated for us and provided to us. That's the number 5 they calculated off -- it's a percentage of total payroll, and 6 it's based upon next year's payroll. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'd probably like to see what 8 the buy-back numbers are going to be before we get -- will we 9 know that by Monday? 10 JUDGE TINLEY: No, we will not know by Monday. We 11 may know it by next Friday, but the only numbers I can give 12 you now are on the partial lump sum and the decreased years of 13 service from 30 to 20. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I can tell you right now, I 15 don't like the decrease in years. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else? 17 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: On the 198th -- I don't 18 know if we're going there or not. 198th, 216th -- no, it 19 doesn't go in there. There's nothing in here that addresses 20 combining the Chief Juvenile Probation Officer's job with the 21 Juvenile Detention Facility Director's job. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: No. 23 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: That's still on the table. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He's a bulldog. Not going to 8-25-06 wk 16 1 let it go. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. There's -- Tommy, did I hit 3 all of the additions that we made from this status report up 4 to the current -- 5 MR. TOMLINSON: I think so. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: As recently as this morning, I had a 7 discussion with Tommy, and he said he thinks, for all 8 practical intents and purposes, we're basically there. We've 9 got these few little wrinkles, I think, in the retirement 10 system issues. I wanted to -- to have a workshop today, 11 because in order to start the meter running for the 12 advertisements for proposed tax rate and those sorts of 13 things, we've got to establish a proposed tax rate, and that 14 is on the agenda for Monday. And so I -- I figured you 15 gentlemen would need this information as a springboard to 16 being able to do that proposed tax rate. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, we need to look at -- we 18 need to look at how much money we got coming in. We need to 19 look at our wish list. And if our reserves have gone to 20 24 percent, what -- where's -- what's our safe number? 20? 21 MR. TOMLINSON: That's as good a number as 24. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 24 is a good number? 23 MR. TOMLINSON: I'm okay with that. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So we're not going to tinker 25 with that. All right. So, how much do -- do we want, and how 8-25-06 wk 17 1 much do we have? That's the only thing I need to know. 2 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Do we have a good feel now 3 for where we stand? We've got some $923,000 extra revenue due 4 to appreciation on property prices. Do we have a feel for how 5 many dollars we attach to our wish list? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, those dollars are -- are 7 plugged in at the current tax rate, based on certified values. 8 And with those plugged in, and what we've got on this status 9 analysis, leaving out only the retirement options that we're 10 looking at, we are at the 24.5 percent reserves. That's 11 current, at the current tax rate. 12 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Does that mean we're not 13 spending -- increasing spending by more than 923,000? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm going to let the Auditor take a 15 shot at that one. 16 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Are we looking at the same 17 thing, Judge? 18 MR. TOMLINSON: I don't know that. 19 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: That's not what you had. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: No. 21 MR. TOMLINSON: Not off-the-cuff. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: No, it should say at the top of it, 23 "As of 8-24." 24 (Discussion off the record.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I thought I put one in your box. I'm 8-25-06 wk 18 1 sorry if you didn't get it. 2 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Probably did. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How much revenue do we have? 4 JUDGE TINLEY: General fund? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Looks like 12,885 roughly. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are the expenditures -- the 8 budget wish list there somewhere? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Are the expenditures itemized here 10 greater than that? Yeah. 13,561 -- 562. 11 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Okay. Give me those two 12 numbers again, please, Judge. Expenditures, I've got 13,561. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: What's the number I just gave you? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 13,562, and then the revenue 15 is 12,885. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Zero that one out. 17 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: So that's 600. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: 670. 19 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: 600-some thousand dollar 20 deficit spending. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 22 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Million here, a million 23 there; pretty soon it runs into real money. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: The good news is that the reserve -- 25 the reserve percentage is coming up with that. Part of that 8-25-06 wk 19 1 is because the ending balances going into this fiscal year are 2 higher than what they were originally pegged to be. Revenues 3 were probably higher. The Auditor is very conservative when 4 he plugs in revenues, but he tries to be very realistic when 5 he talks about expenditures. 6 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: That's true. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: What else? Have you got what you 8 need in order to think about what you want to propose on the 9 tax rate come Monday? Or got the information where you can 10 get there? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't know. $600,000 12 deficit. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 677 is what I calculate. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Probably needs to be some 15 kind of exercise to reduce the -- reduce that number. And, to 16 me, there's two ways to do it, and that's go back and cut 17 things, or raise taxes. And the second one is not a very good 18 option. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: I would agree. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, I know that deficit 21 spending is kind of a popular thing, but it's still not, in my 22 opinion, a good way to do business with other people's money. 23 So, to answer your question, I don't think that I could, 24 Monday, adopt a tax rate. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: We wouldn't be adopting one. 8-25-06 wk 20 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Setting one. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I get in trouble every time I use the 3 term "adopt" with the Tax Assessor there. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I know. I know. Setting 5 one. "Set" is the correct word? 6 MS. RECTOR: Discuss the proposed rate, which is 7 pretty much the rate that you're counting on adopting. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 9 MS. RECTOR: That has to be done by Monday in order 10 to keep the calendar straight to adopt the rate by the 20th of 11 September. 12 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: So, do we know right now if 13 we -- we're willing to assume the $677 deficit, how much of a 14 tax increase that would be? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: To cover that? 16 MR. TOMLINSON: I -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: If you wanted it -- if you wanted 18 the -- if you wanted the thing to balance, it would probably 19 be 2.6, thereabouts. 20 MR. TOMLINSON: Well, I don't -- I don't think -- I 21 don't think it's a good decision to make to levy a tax to 22 maintain a fund balance over what we -- what our policy is. 23 And so I think, as long as, in my mind, the -- the adequate 24 fund balances is what we're -- the direction we need to be. 25 So, whether or not we use a new tax rate to get there or lower 8-25-06 wk 21 1 expenditures to get there or use our fund balance to get 2 there, as long as we're -- we get to a point that we're going 3 to be, I think it's okay. So, I think to use -- to use the 4 fund balance is -- is, I think, the fiscal thing to do. 5 Because if you -- if you raise -- if you tax enough to 6 maintain the same fund balance, then all you're doing is -- is 7 levying a tax to do that, and I don't think that's what you 8 want to do. I mean, I think you'd really get beaten up for 9 that. 10 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: So -- I only do this once a 11 year, so I forget get from year to year what I learned last 12 year. So we can spend the $677,000 and not raise the tax 13 rate, and still have a fund balance that's satisfactory? 14 MR. TOMLINSON: That's exactly right. I -- I've 15 heard some criticism, actually, from -- actually from City 16 people that -- that have a problem with us keeping that large 17 a fund balance. 18 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Yeah. 19 MR. TOMLINSON: And they -- they don't live in the 20 same world that we do, but -- so I think that we have reason 21 to -- I mean, good justification -- 22 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Sure. 23 MR. TOMLINSON: -- to keep our fund balance there. 24 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: We just don't need to take 25 any money away from taxpayers and put it in our bank account 8-25-06 wk 22 1 unless we need to. 2 MR. TOMLINSON: Exactly. 3 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Unless we got a good reason 4 for it. 5 MR. TOMLINSON: Right. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else? Are you ready 7 to fold it up? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you asking me? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm out of here. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, we'll be adjourned. 12 (Budget workshop adjourned at 2:05 p.m.) 13 - - - - - - - - - 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 8-25-06 wk 23 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my 5 capacity as County Clerk of the Commissioners Court 6 of Kerr County, Texas, at the time and place 7 heretofore set forth. 8 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 4th day of 9 October, 2006. 10 11 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 12 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 13 Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 8-25-06 wk