1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, October 30, 2006 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 DAVE NICHOLSON, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X October 30, 2006 2 PAGE 3 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 2006-2007 payroll step & grade and position 4 schedule corrections (Executive Session) 3 5 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding possible changes to position schedule 6 (Sheriff) (Executive Session) 3 7 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize Kerr County to submit bid(s) to perform 8 certain airport services (Executive Session) 3 9 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed in Executive Session 10 Item 1.3 4 Item 1.1 12 11 Item 1.2 14 12 4.1 Pay Bills 17 13 --- Adjourned 23 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, October 30, 2006, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in the 3 Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, Kerrville, 4 Texas, and the following proceedings were had in open court: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Let me call to order this special 7 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court scheduled and 8 posted for this date and time, Monday, October the 30th, 2006, 9 at 9 a.m. It is that time now. We've got some items on the 10 agenda, all of which potentially involve executive session, so 11 what I propose to do is to call all three items and then go 12 into executive session in those areas that need to be covered 13 in executive session of each of those items, and then we'll 14 come back into open session. So, Item 1, consider, discuss, 15 and take appropriate action on the 2006-2007 payroll step and 16 grade and position schedule corrections. Item 2, consider, 17 discuss, and take appropriate action regarding possible 18 changes to position schedule. And Item 3, consider, discuss, 19 and take appropriate action to authorize Kerr County to submit 20 bids to perform certain airport services. It is 9:02, and we 21 will go out of public or open session at this time to go into 22 executive or closed session. 23 (Discussion off the record.) 24 (The open session was closed at 9:02 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 25 is contained in a separate document.) - - - - - - - - - - 10-30-06 4 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Since we've got Mr. Odom here, 2 let's go ahead and any -- any matters to be offered in 3 connection with item Agenda Item 3; consider, discuss, and 4 take appropriate action to authorize Kerr County to submit 5 bids to perform certain airport services? 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I would just like to 7 observe, if at all possible, Leonard, after you have compiled 8 your list of questions to ask at the pre-bid conference, -- 9 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- I would like to suggest 11 that you and Mr. Letz and I get together and talk about those 12 answers before we finalize the bid for presentation to the 13 Court. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I actually think it would 15 probably be helpful to -- when's the pre-bid conference? 16 MR. ODOM: I knew you'd ask me. I got to find it. 17 I don't -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it would be helpful for 19 the three of us to meet, probably prior to the pre-bid 20 conference, to make sure exactly what's on that list, because 21 I think it's the information that you need. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Good. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You and I have a lot more 24 experience in dealing on this issue recently. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But there's -- if there's a 10-30-06 5 1 copy of the Kerrville Daily Times out there, the advertisement 2 is in it, this past Sunday. 3 (Commissioner Nicholson left the courtroom.) 4 MR. ODOM: Now, the pre-bid conference is -- is 5 blank right here, but I want to say that I -- 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's in the ad. 7 MR. ODOM: I think it's in the ad. Anyway, 8 whenever -- I'll look at it again, and we'll come up and make 9 sure. 10 (Commissioner Letz left the courtroom.) 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: They're looking to make 12 sure. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: It occurs to me that you're going to 14 need to insist upon the actual performance documentation from 15 the City as to these items that you're going to be bidding on, 16 as to their actual documentation of performance over the last 17 two to three years. 18 (Commissioner Nicholson returned to the courtroom.) 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Thanks, Dave. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: To give you a better idea of what 21 you're actually going to be contending with in actuality. 22 MR. ODOM: That's true. But I -- if it says weekly, 23 I have to do that. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it's easy for a bid package to 25 say weekly, which can be a worst-case scenario. But it's -- 10-30-06 6 1 it occurs to me that it is not -- there's not a level playing 2 field if you don't have access to those documents that reflect 3 the actual services performed, the frequency, the amount of 4 time expended and materials and things of that nature expended 5 in connection with the work the City's done previously. 6 (Commissioner Letz returned to the courtroom.) 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You're 100 percent correct, 8 Judge, and we fought that battle in all of these discussions 9 getting us up to this point, because the original drafts of 10 all those items would say 24/7, 24/7. Well, when you press 11 the City's road and -- road department, "Did you actually go 12 out at 2 a.m. on a Sunday morning and fix the road?" The 13 answer was no, obviously. So, you're correct about that. If 14 we can get that -- if you can glean that out of Mr. McKenzie, 15 you can come nearer to getting it out of Bruce McKenzie than 16 you would out of the Airport Board. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Maybe it would behoove us to file a 18 comprehensive Open Records request for every single document 19 they've got in the last five years doing that. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, if that's necessary, 21 then we ought to do that, because they're -- they really are 22 finessing it. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, we got to bring them to their 24 milk. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the other thing on this 10-30-06 7 1 issue is that on some of the street work, they -- we need to 2 make real clear on some of the roads what street repairs are 3 contemplated. Anyone that's driven out to the airport anytime 4 recently, Airport Loop Road, which is covered under this 5 agreement, is in horrible shape, and has been. It's one solid 6 pothole, and the City has done nothing to fix it in the past 7 three years. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's right. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I think, you know, that -- 10 you know, and that's in question. That's one of the issues 11 that need to be brought up in the pre-bid conference. What 12 about that road? Because that road really needs to be 13 excluded. 14 MR. ODOM: It needs -- yeah, it's not a -- it just 15 says maintenance. I would assume -- I questioned them, one, 16 that I would give an hourly rate based upon that and labor 17 costs associated with it if they used a piece of equipment. 18 But the complaint on the city airport road, I fixed that; our 19 part is fixed out there now that I zipped. I zipped that, 20 because he -- I wanted to see what was underneath it, and they 21 said yeah, so we -- we fixed it, and my -- that part I fixed 22 was staying better than the rest of the road was coming apart. 23 So now I've got it asphalted. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The last paragraph in the 25 ad, you know, goes to your question. And that came about by 10-30-06 8 1 our insistence that a mandatory pre-bid conference will be 2 held at 2 p.m. on November 9. 3 MR. ODOM: November 9. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: In Council Chambers, City 5 Hall. All questions regarding project directed to the Airport 6 Manager. But if you can direct something to the road guy in 7 advance, you might be ahead of the game. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would suspect that the -- you 9 know, we ought to get together this week, maybe Commissioner 10 Williams and myself and you, go over a list, and send that 11 list over ahead of time so they have ample... And if they 12 don't have it -- if they don't provide that information at the 13 pre-bid conference that we request, that's public information; 14 then I think you take the Judge's approach the next day and 15 file an Open Records request. 16 MR. ODOM: So, you want to get -- y'all pick the 17 time and I'll meet with you. I -- you know, if it's broken 18 down, basically, even if I have so much money per cutting, 19 whether it's five or six times, that should be the bid that 20 they would base -- base it on. It may not be. But, I mean, 21 they have to be fair in what they're doing, and you're correct 22 there. But -- but I don't see it -- I see once we get a 23 handle on this and coming back, I don't -- it'll go down 24 pretty -- 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We have almost three weeks 10-30-06 9 1 from after the pre-bid conference. Pre-bid conference is 2 November 9; bids are due on 2 p.m. on the 29th of November, so 3 we've got almost three weeks to make sure we get all our 4 information we need. 5 MR. ODOM: Right. I would like to go out with the 6 Airport Manager and drive -- I just want to look at some of 7 these lights, see if they're screw-in down on the -- on the 8 runways. They're about every 200 feet; there's probably 120 9 lights that you got to check. It's a matter of learning how 10 to, I guess, hit a frequency and the lights come on. I don't 11 know. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that's an example as to 13 what we have been up against on this whole project. 14 Obviously, the City does not want to go out for bids. They 15 had a requirement under the lighting component originally that 16 you had to have three years experience working on airport 17 lights, and I was, like, you know, "Well, that doesn't -- that 18 kind of rules out everybody except the employee at the City 19 that's doing it." Because there's no other airport around 20 here, and there's no -- I mean, it was -- and they had a 21 number of things like that built into their original 22 documents. And we tried to catch a lot of them, but there are 23 still a lot of things in there that are -- 24 MR. ODOM: Some of them have to be screwed in. Some 25 of them are snap-on. The fences, they're snapped. It's a 10-30-06 10 1 matter of snapping off, looking at it, putting the bulb in. 2 An electrician -- being that it's in the city limits, you got 3 to have a licensed electrician do that. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, in this case, no. If 5 you have to have a licensed electrician, that's something -- 6 MR. ODOM: That's a different thing. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But most of these things 8 that we're talking about are adjustments. They're adjusted 9 there on the frame, and you adjust the frame, and it's -- and 10 adjust the angling of the lights. 11 MR. ODOM: Right. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You get a gadget -- you put a 13 gadget in front and -- 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: In the evening, they're 15 turned on by a radio frequency by an incoming pilot. 16 MR. ODOM: Right, and it has to be at a certain 17 angle. They pick up different lights. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And you'll have that 19 frequency on, so you can turn them on and off to check them. 20 MR. ODOM: Right. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The template goes in front, you 22 adjust to that template, like doing headlights on a car. 23 MR. ODOM: That's it. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Exactly. 25 MR. ODOM: I don't see a great deal, other than just 10-30-06 11 1 the time. It's there to do that on a daily basis, whether 2 it's five days a week or whether it's seven, and have to come 3 up with a plan that -- that probably every Monday and every 4 Thursday, we check the fences. I've got -- it says weekly; 5 then it comes back and says twice weekly -- at least twice 6 weekly. So, if we did that, that would give you time on 7 Friday, if I have a problem, to try to address something on 8 the fence before the weekend. Then after the weekend, I'd 9 look at it on Monday to make another run on the thing. So 10 I -- it just -- so it's using a little -- little common sense 11 and try to make it the best that I can. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This just -- remember, the City 13 tried to make this whole project as onerous as they possibly 14 could. 15 MR. ODOM: Sure they are. And I ask the Court that 16 if they get unreasonable, Doug's crew's involved in this as 17 well as Donny's crew, so we're talking about taking away from 18 -- from ours. I don't mind -- 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It's not rocket science. 20 MR. ODOM: It's not rocket science. And -- but I 21 just -- if we get it, I assure you, the probability is they're 22 going to test the limits. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And just for your information, 24 on the mowing part, a private contractor is also going to be 25 submitting a bid on that, I believe. 10-30-06 12 1 MR. ODOM: That's fine. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which is good. My preference 3 would be for to us lose and private business to get both at a 4 lower price. You know, my goal on this whole project would be 5 to save money out of that airport budget, not for the County 6 to take on additional work. 7 MR. ODOM: Well, the way they've got it, they're 8 pushing the limits of what they spoke up -- they appropriated. 9 I don't -- I do not believe that it would go for that. I'm 10 saying that they're -- they aren't going to spend that kind of 11 money once you get it down. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else on Item 3? 14 Thank you, Mr. Odom. 15 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. Thank y'all. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 1; consider, 17 discuss, and take appropriate action on the 2006-2007 payroll 18 step and grade and position schedule corrections. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Move approval of the new 20 position schedule -- step and grade and position schedule as 21 corrected and presented by H.R. Director Hyde. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for approval 24 of the new step and grade schedule as presented by the H.R. 25 Director. Any question or discussion on that motion? 10-30-06 13 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And position schedule. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Did you include the position 3 schedule? 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And position schedule. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Excuse me, and the position schedule 6 as presented by the H.R. Director. Any question or discussion 7 on the motion? All in favor of that motion, signify by 8 raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Anything else 13 to be considered under Item 1? Question. Have we addressed 14 the corrections -- 15 MS. HYDE: All the corrections. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: -- in that last motion? 17 MS. HYDE: The corrections have all been made. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I would move the approval of 19 the corrections as presented by the H.R. Director in her 20 report to the Court. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for approval 23 of the corrections as presented by the H.R. Director. Any 24 question or discussion on the motion? 25 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I'm just -- I'm not sure it 10-30-06 14 1 takes an approval of the Court, but let's go ahead and do it. 2 Just belt and suspenders. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions or comments? All 4 in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Thank you, 9 Ms. Hyde, Mr. Tomlinson. 10 MS. HYDE: Thank you. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 2; consider, 12 discuss, and take appropriate action regarding possible 13 changes to position schedule. This is in connection with the 14 Sheriff's Department. 15 MR. EMERSON: Rusty, can I interrupt for just a 16 moment? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 18 MR. EMERSON: I have a T.C.E.Q. representative 19 waiting for me downstairs. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: See 'ya. 21 MR. EMERSON: If y'all are through with me, may I be 22 excused? Thank you. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 25 approve the revised position schedule for the Sheriff's 10-30-06 15 1 Department as presented. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: There's one addition that I 3 didn't talk about that I wanted to get in, okay? I know, 4 Jonathan. We love doing this. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You see the bottom line savings 7 there is $24,970. One thing that has come up in this last 8 budget under the Courthouse Security budget, this Court 9 approved my hiring a bailiff, an unarmed bailiff for 10 courthouse security. I visited with both judges on -- 'cause 11 I wanted their input on selecting this person -- actually, all 12 three judges. And the one thing that all three, mainly the 13 two upstairs had voiced a concern about, is that this is an 14 unarmed position, and they really want it to be an armed 15 position. Changing -- upgrading that from an unarmed position 16 to an armed position is a $4,488 budget increase in that 17 budget. Would this Court consider -- we're giving back the 18 24,970 there -- if I take 4,488 of that and upgrade that 19 Courthouse Security position to an armed deputy position? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Does that increase include all the 21 roll-ups, retirement? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's the starting -- the 23 starting -- what I did was the starting salary from a jailer 24 to starting salary of a deputy. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, so it does not include the 10-30-06 16 1 roll-ups. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Not all the roll-ups in that 3 $4,000 difference. It wouldn't be more than a couple hundred 4 for the $4,000, though. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's a good idea. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That would satisfy my District 7 Judges. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Should be an armed position. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Since you gave us back 24, I 10 guess we can give you that. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Thank you, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Now, Jonathan -- 13 JUDGE TINLEY: You had a motion. Do you want to 14 amend that motion to -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll amend that -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: -- authorize that bailiff position to 17 become TCLEOSE-certified to permit carrying a weapon? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, I do. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Deputy position. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Do I hear a second to the motion? 21 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Second. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion and a second. Any 24 question or discussion on the motion? All in favor of the 25 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 10-30-06 17 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Anything else 5 to be offered in connection with the three agenda items that 6 we have? Anything else? We stand adjourned. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, we're going to pay pills. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh. Oops. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Oops. That's the whole 10 reason for this meeting on the 30th. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Strike that. Strike that. About to 12 cut the Auditor off. Let's go to Section 4, payment of the 13 bills. 14 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I've got a question on Page 15 21. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Shhh. 17 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: It says Justice of the 18 Peace Number 3, and there's an expense, appears to be for a 19 seminar at Texas State University in San Marcos. And I'm 20 wondering why a J.P. that's only got another month of service 21 is going to a seminar. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: That indicates it's for the clerk, 23 according to what I'm reading there. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: B. Sevey. 25 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: That answers my question. 10-30-06 18 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good question, though. Good 2 eye. Good catch. Good see. Good night. 3 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: Move we pay the bills. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Second. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to pay the 7 bills. Any questions or comments? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a couple. On Page 9 1, I went in and talked with Tommy about it this morning. You 10 notice we're paying Circle H Team Ropings 4,000, and in my 11 mind, I thought -- well, I thought they were supposed to be 12 paying us, and we're paying $4,225. And what that is, for 13 y'all's information, is that the Henderson roping team -- 14 roping group is canceling for all next year, and we're 15 reimbursing them their -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Deposit? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- deposits. 18 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: It's interesting. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Isn't that interesting? I 20 find that very interesting. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Good catch. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Did you -- in your research, did 24 you figure -- did you find a reason? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. They're just going out 10-30-06 19 1 of business. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Are they? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And, supposedly, they may be 4 replaced by some other company from out of town. 5 COMMISSIONER NICHOLSON: I think they'll be replaced 6 by somebody, be my guess. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But it won't be -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You feel like that there's 9 already somebody in the wings waiting? 10 MR. TOMLINSON: I think so. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. And this is just kind 12 of a little technical question here for Tommy. On Page 3, the 13 Commitsh'ners Court -- that's Spanish for Commissioners -- 14 down at the bottom, the West Texas Judges and Commissioners 15 deal. It's the annual dues for each Commissioner, but it says 16 Books, and the word "public." Now, I know that there's a 17 books, dues, and whatever line. We're not getting anything 18 mixed up here, are we? 19 MR. TOMLINSON: No. They all come out of the same 20 line item, anyway. I don't know -- I don't know what that's 21 for. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, books, dues -- yeah. 23 Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Is the amount correct? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He is correct. That's why 10-30-06 20 1 Tommy's the top of the line. He's great and wonderful. 2 That's all the questions I have, Judge. Thank you. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions? Comments? I've 4 got a few questions, and it's probably something that you can 5 provide to me, I hope. The total expenditure for attorney's 6 fees on civil and criminal, plus the reimbursement that we 7 received through the indigent defense on an annual basis? 8 MR. TOMLINSON: Yes. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. And the same thing for 10 indigent health for that particular year. Of course, that's 11 going to be a different year. 12 MR. TOMLINSON: I can't -- well, the amount we 13 receive from the indigent defense is not broken down by court. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh, I understand that. I understand 15 that. 16 MR. TOMLINSON: The total, yes. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. I'm not wanting by court, 18 necessarily. I'm just wanting totals for criminal, totals for 19 civil, and then the reimbursement that we got through indigent 20 defense. 21 MR. TOMLINSON: For -- 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Total. 23 MR. TOMLINSON: For reimbursements? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 25 MR. TOMLINSON: I don't know that we have any for 10-30-06 21 1 civil. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I understand that. I 3 understand that. 4 MR. TOMLINSON: Okay. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: I understand that the indigent 6 defense is only going to apply to the criminal. 7 MR. TOMLINSON: Right. Yeah, I can do that. In 8 fact, part -- part of the report that we give to -- to the 9 Office of Court Administration specifies what we were 10 receiving in reimbursements. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 12 MR. TOMLINSON: That's part of the report on an 13 annual basis. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Page 26, I show a bond there 15 to First Insurance Agency for the Treasurer's assistant. Do 16 we know the penal amount of that bond? 17 MR. TOMLINSON: No, I don't -- I don't know what the 18 amount of the bond is. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 MR. TOMLINSON: I'd have to look it up. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 22 MR. TOMLINSON: I know we have the bond. I've seen 23 it, but I don't recall what the amount is. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to Page 65. I note a 25 $6,500 expenditure to Hill Country Memorial Hospital. Did -- 10-30-06 22 1 did the patient get referred from Peterson over to Hill 2 Country, or how did that work, or do you know? 3 MR. TOMLINSON: I don't know. I know it's not -- 4 not unusual to have a bill from them. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: It's not? 6 MR. TOMLINSON: No. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have bills from Methodist 8 quite a bit frequently. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I know we get some, but those are 10 generally referrals from local physicians for more specialized 11 care. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If they're a Kerr County 13 indigent person, then that -- regardless of if they go over 14 there or are referred or not, that bill's due by Kerr County. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That's all I have. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I do have one other 17 question. On -- actually, it's a couple of pages, but Page 18 16, this Lucy Sandige Pearson person, what -- who is that 19 person? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: She's an attorney. 21 MR. TOMLINSON: Yeah. That's -- that line item is 22 for Court-Appointed Attorneys. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 24 MR. TOMLINSON: That 10-436-402, that tells me that 25 it's for -- 10-30-06 23 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: She's a new one in town. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I have a motion and a second. 5 All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 6 hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Now can I 11 wrap it up? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Go for it. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? We stand adjourned. 16 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 10:13 a.m.) 17 - - - - - - - - - - 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 10-30-06 24 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my 5 capacity as County Clerk of the Commissioners Court 6 of Kerr County, Texas, at the time and place 7 heretofore set forth. 8 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 30th day of 9 October, 2006. 10 11 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 12 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 13 Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 10-30-06