1 2 3 4 5 6 7 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 8 Workshop Session 9 Monday, March 16, 2009 10 10:30 a.m. 11 Commissioners' Courtroom 12 Kerr County Courthouse 13 Kerrville, Texas 14 15 16 17 Workshop with Marvin Crabtree with USDA regarding Center Point/East Kerr Wastewater and/or Water Projects 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 25 ABSENT: JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 2 1 On Monday, March 16, 2009, at 10:30 a.m., a workshop 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let me call to order this 8 Commissioners Court workshop scheduled for this date and 9 time, Monday, March 16, 2009, at 10:30 a.m. It is that time 10 now. The agenda item is to participate in a workshop with 11 Marvin Crabtree with the U.S.D.A. with respect to Center 12 Point/East Kerr wastewater and/or water projects. 13 Commissioner Williams, do you want to launch this thing for 14 us? 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Let me see if I can do 16 that, Judge. Let's see. Back whatever date that was, Jesse 17 Jack, when they broke the ground over at -- for the Salvation 18 Army was the day you and I met and talked about how we could 19 figure out how to get some stimulus money to support some 20 projects that mean something to Kerr County. And the result 21 of that was that we were hopeful to be able to cobble 22 together a meeting that would involve Marvin and U.S.D.A. 23 people and talk about this issue. So, that's kind of the 24 forerunner that got us to this point here today, the purpose 25 of which is to talk about the Center Point wastewater -- East 3-16-09 wk 3 1 Kerr wastewater and water projects, and see whether or not 2 there is funding through U.S.D.A., maybe this huge pot of 3 money that's coming down from Washington. The good guys in 4 Fredericksburg will get out their cachement basin and catch 5 some of that money and be able to funnel it down the line to 6 Kerr County. So, we also thought we'd take the opportunity 7 to talk about Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center, our Ag Barn, 8 and some of our plans for the improvement of that, and see 9 whether any -- any or all of this would qualify for 10 consideration under U.S.D.A. That said, Judge, then I asked 11 Jesse to get ahold of Marvin, and Marvin's here today, and 12 here we are. So -- 13 MR. CRABTREE: Glad to be here. This is my boss, 14 Richard Graham, the area director. He's out of Seguin, 15 Texas. Several years ago, Center Point had approached us 16 about a wastewater treatment -- or wastewater collection 17 line. I believe that Kerrville was going to actually treat 18 that. Is that correct? 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Let met fill you in on 20 where we are, Marvin, so you know exactly what's taken place 21 since you and I spoke the last time we spoke in your office, 22 which is probably a couple years or so ago. We identified at 23 that time some options. We were thinking of options, and one 24 of the options was to build a wastewater treatment plant. 25 One of them was to take the effluent westward and hook up to 3-16-09 wk 4 1 the city of Kerrville's utility stub in the vicinity of the 2 airport, and the third option was to transmit the effluent to 3 Comfort downstream, all gravity flow down, and hook up to the 4 W.C. & I.D. -- Kendall County W.C. & I.D. facility in 5 Comfort. They have their own wastewater treatment facility. 6 They are probably at one-fourth capacity; they have plenty of 7 capacity left, and it was a very attractive idea. 8 Since you and I met, we have been -- before that 9 time we were, and have continued to be, in front of Texas 10 Water Development Board, initially for a planning grant, 11 which was $150,000, and we got that. That's done. Went 12 back, and we are currently now involved with the Water 13 Development Board for a $238,000 grant, which 25 percent is a 14 Kerr County match, for the additional planning that goes on. 15 Okay. They have -- under the EDAP program -- Economic 16 Distressed Areas Program, okay? We've qualified that area 17 for EDAP consideration, so we're in -- in the planning phase 18 of the EDAP steps that go along, okay? And that's under way 19 currently. So, what we're hoping to be able to achieve is 20 knowing exactly where the funding is going to come from so 21 that we can move the project forward. 22 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. We have a water and waste 23 disposal program. And the Center Point area, what we're -- 24 you know, what we talked about, is Center Point designated as 25 a colonia? 3-16-09 wk 5 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Identified as a colonia 2 designation several years ago. 3 MR. CRABTREE: Right, but they -- 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And it hasn't changed. 5 MR. CRABTREE: Hasn't changed? 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That came about after they 7 disincorporated. 8 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm, okay. Were y'all trying to 9 pursue a loan and grant combination, or are you looking at 10 grant funds to do colonia -- 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Whatever gets the job done 12 at the least impact for the taxpayers of Kerr County. 13 MR. CRABTREE: Right. Because it's kind of a -- 14 two different programs, that 306(c), and then our water and 15 waste is a little different. What they've informed us is we 16 don't know exactly the dollar amount. It's based on your 17 median household income; it's based on the rates that would 18 be charged, and they've got to be kind of comparable to other 19 facilities of like size. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: What was the designation of 21 the program? Three-oh -- 22 MR. CRABTREE: 306(c), Colonia -- 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 24 MR. CRABTREE: -- program. And the other's just a 25 water and waste program. Do you know the number offhand, 3-16-09 wk 6 1 what it's referred to as? But it's -- it's a water and waste 2 program, and I've got applications here today for y'all, and 3 some information sheets under that utility program. But we 4 look at the median household income, how it compares to 5 others in the state. And right now, if it continues the way 6 it is, it looks like Kerr County's median household income is 7 such where they wouldn't qualify for a grant under the water 8 and waste. Isn't that correct, Richard, the way you look at 9 it? Based on our deal. But if Center Point designates 10 separately, I don't know what the median household income is 11 for that. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Let me see if I can shed 13 some light on that for you. Under the EDAP program, you have 14 to be able to be at 75 percent of the state median or less. 15 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay? And that area of 17 Center Point and going east towards Comfort has qualified. 18 MR. CRABTREE: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We have done the median 20 household income surveys on two occasions. 21 MR. CRABTREE: That's good, 'cause we would need 22 that. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That area qualified. Now, 24 obviously, Comanche Trace and Riverhill don't qualify. 25 MR. CRABTREE: Right. 3-16-09 wk 7 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: But they don't need it. 2 This area does qualify. 3 MR. CRABTREE: That's right. Because when they 4 looked at Kerr County, I'm sure they included that with that, 5 and that's why it didn't qualify, you know, because you got 6 higher income. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 8 MR. CRABTREE: Center Point has always been 9 recognized as lower income. Then, of course, Comanche Trace. 10 We would take that into consideration, median household 11 income. If that was the case and that was the census tract, 12 it was recognized, y'all could qualify, be eligible for grant 13 funds, but they also look at your rate that you're going to 14 be charging. You know, like, you'd have to determine through 15 a preliminary engineering report -- you know, an engineer 16 could determine, you know, it's going to cost, you know, four 17 or five million dollars, and we've got so many customers, and 18 their rate would be this dollar amount. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We've gone through that 20 exercise. The only unknown component at this point is what 21 the rate structure will be, and that depends on several 22 factors. Depends on debt load, if any. 23 MR. CRABTREE: Correct. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It depends on the cost to 25 treat the effluent, what that might be, and any other 3-16-09 wk 8 1 considerations built in there. 2 MR. CRABTREE: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Debt load we don't know 4 about. Rate structure we're working on. 5 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. And probably, it sounds 6 like it would be easier to treat it in Comfort. Would they 7 be willing to sign a long-term contract and treat y'all's -- 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yes. 9 MR. CRABTREE: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: They will. 11 MR. CRABTREE: 'Cause that would be a factor, you 12 know, in determining -- 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We've met with them. 14 MR. CRABTREE: Because that's probably going to be 15 quicker to send it downhill than -- you know, cheaper in the 16 long run than to put in lift stations to try to move -- 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Transmission line is 18 longer, but the ultimate long-term cost is less. 19 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And for the reasons you 21 noted. We're not pumping it uphill; we're gravity-ing it 22 downstream. 23 MR. CRABTREE: Right. Of course, Richard and I 24 will work to try to get y'all the maximum grant possible, but 25 I want you to realize, there will probably be some loan funds 3-16-09 wk 9 1 involved, because we don't have a 100 percent grant, is what 2 we've been informed, unless there's additional funding coming 3 through other sources than what we have presently. But all 4 those are factors. We would encourage you to apply for it, 5 because costs are going to do nothing but go up in the 6 future, and we think it's good for the communities as a 7 whole. And any way I can help y'all, I'd be glad to help 8 y'all. I brought an application with me today. It's up to a 9 40-year loan, 40-year payback if you did receive a loan, 10 which is a long term. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What kind of interest is tied 12 into that? 13 MR. CRABTREE: Depends on -- it's the cost of money 14 to the government. Right now, you're looking around -- it 15 could be around 4 and a half percent, but it -- you know, it 16 fluctuates, so I hate to pin down a certain -- 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I just wanted an estimate. 18 MR. CRABTREE: And then it also depends on your 19 median household income. If we get it low enough, you can 20 get an intermediate rate; it might lower it some. But that's 21 not a bad rate right now, you know, for -- or housing loans, 22 which we do here in Kerr County, Legion Hills, you know, we 23 have several houses we finance there. You know, our interest 24 rate now is down to 4 percent on direct loans. Since I've 25 been working, I don't know if it's ever been at 4 percent. I 3-16-09 wk 10 1 can't remember. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That would be a loan to the 3 U.S. government through U.S.D.A., right? R.U.S.? 4 MR. CRABTREE: Uh-huh. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Now, that's -- that's not 6 the floating of revenue bonds, right? This requires a 7 commitment of tax -- tax backup by Kerr County; is that 8 correct? 9 MR. CRABTREE: Yes, it would. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Not revenue bonds. 11 MR. CRABTREE: Not revenue. It would be what we 12 call G.O. bonds, probably. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right. 14 MR. CRABTREE: Certificates of obligation. 15 MR. GRAHAM: Depends on who the applicant is, 16 Commissioner. 17 MR. CRABTREE: It would be Kerr County. 18 MR. GRAHAM: County's going to be the applicant 19 borrowing these funds? 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yes, sir. 21 MR. GRAHAM: Rather than a water control 22 improvement district or a -- 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yes. The answer is yes. 24 MR. CRABTREE: Yeah. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 3-16-09 wk 11 1 MR. GRAHAM: How many households do you anticipate 2 connecting? Or -- 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Probably, at the outset, as 4 the project moves from Center Point eastward, I would say in 5 the vicinity of 400, maybe more. Maybe more. And under the 6 EDAP program with Water Development Board, hookup is 7 mandatory. So, you know, you can't -- you can't preserve 8 your right to do something later. It's mandatory. But also, 9 there are other funds -- and I'm not sure about how you guys 10 handle this, but there's other funding available through 11 C.D.B.G. block grants for hookups so that people in the low 12 to moderate income status can get a free hookup. 13 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which, you know, might 15 get -- 16 MR. CRABTREE: We'd like to work with anybody 17 involved. You know, we're not -- we don't want to tell you 18 that, hey, you can't get one of those funds from us and just 19 get them strictly. We'd like to work with other entities. 20 We work with the state now on other -- 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You anticipated my question 22 in terms of you guys working with Water Development Board. 23 MR. CRABTREE: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I don't want to close off 25 any options. 3-16-09 wk 12 1 MR. CRABTREE: That's exactly right. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Right now, the EDAP program 3 has been -- the Center Point project's been accepted by Water 4 Development Board as an EDAP project. It's qualified by 5 it -- for it. And if we get a certificate of necessity, I 6 think it is, out of the Texas Department of Health during 7 this planning period that's going on right now, that could 8 ultimately qualify Kerr County for up to 100 percent funding. 9 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay? So, what we want to 11 do is parlay all these sources together and make this thing 12 happen. 13 MR. CRABTREE: You bet, yeah. We've kind of 14 explained our program. If we can help y'all, fine, but, you 15 know, if something's better out there, we encourage you to 16 apply. You know, we would like to see everybody get the 17 lowest cost possible for their houses -- hookups. 18 MR. HEREFORD: Marvin, could you explain a grant 19 and loan kind of combination? 'Cause you were saying there's 20 not a 100 percent grant, but there's -- there's kind of a 21 combo hybrid. Could you explain that? 22 MR. CRABTREE: It's really based on what their cost 23 would be involved, the amount of funds that are available. 24 So, until we got some actual data, like, hey, it's going to 25 cost $4 million to build this facility; we've got 400 users, 3-16-09 wk 13 1 you know, so your average user's cost is going to be so much 2 a month. They'll compare that to other similar size entities 3 throughout the state. So, to come out with a hard figure, it 4 would be impossible at this time. I would be telling you a 5 story if I gave you -- and she's taking it down, so I hate to 6 tell her a story. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: She's taking down 8 everything you say. 9 MR. CRABTREE: If he wants to tell you what you 10 qualify for -- 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And once we get the 12 transcript, we're going to read between the lines. 13 (Laughter.) 14 MR. CRABTREE: That's right, yeah. Yeah, they 15 might have me in the facility here. (Laughter.) But you 16 mentioned something about your community facility, you know, 17 the Hill Country -- 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Hill Country Youth Exhibit 19 Center. 20 MR. CRABTREE: I'm -- we've looked at that in the 21 past, and it's adjacent to Kerrville and -- the proximity. 22 We have a -- a limit on the number of individuals that can 23 qualify. You have to have less than a certain number of 24 people, and Kerr County -- Kerr -- the city of Kerr is a 25 little too big to qualify for a community facility loan. 3-16-09 wk 14 1 I'll run that by people higher up than me, but right now, we 2 don't have a program to help y'all with the Hill Country 3 Youth Center. Have y'all thought about applying for Texas 4 Parks and Wildlife funds to do that? 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We're examining all our 6 options now. 7 MR. CRABTREE: Because I have another entity that's 8 looking at that, a smaller community that's trying to combine 9 funding through the communities facility program. It's kind 10 of a matching deal, you know, where you can furnish -- 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. We've been there and 12 done that a long time ago, but it never -- we'd have to 13 submit a new plan, because I think it was rejected. 14 MR. CRABTREE: I see. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, our concept's 16 changed, too. 17 MR. CRABTREE: You know, the area increases, 'cause 18 city of Kerrville as a whole hasn't dropped in population, 19 have they, below 20,000? 20 MR. OVERBY: Going up, 23. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So, what are you saying in 22 terms of that? That this -- the location of this, even 23 though it's outside the city limits, because it's close to 24 the city, it doesn't qualify? Is that what you're saying? 25 MR. CRABTREE: It's -- the people that would 3-16-09 wk 15 1 utilize it is the -- and, Richard, do you want to explain 2 that a little better than me? But it's the proximity to the 3 city. It's kind of in your territorial jurisdiction still 4 because of the size of the community that you have. 5 MR. OVERBY: Mm-hmm. 6 MR. GRAHAM: Under the community facility program, 7 we can't exceed a 20,000 population. And we'll use the 2000 8 census, and Kerrville at that time was 20,425, so it exceeds 9 that -- that limit. You're actually now -- if the County is 10 the applicant, you're actually serving about 43,653 people. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Mm-hmm. 12 MR. GRAHAM: And so we're having to take that into 13 consideration. We can fund projects outside the city limits 14 of Kerrville, but then again, if the County is the applicant, 15 then you're still serving Kerrville also, and they look at 16 the population. We can't serve a -- we can't loan to a 17 facility that's going to be utilized by a population that 18 exceeds the 20,000. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Hmm. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's interesting. 22 MR. CRABTREE: Kind of a strange program. We don't 23 make the rules; we just -- isn't that right, Richard? But 24 there are other avenues to pursue besides just us as far as 25 funding goes. I would encourage y'all to do that, 'cause I 3-16-09 wk 16 1 think the youth are important, you know. We think it's a 2 good program. And if our rules change in any way, or -- 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Pardon? 4 MR. CRABTREE: If our rules change or the law 5 changes, -- 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah. 7 MR. CRABTREE: -- I'll be sure to tell you. I'll 8 meet with y'all again, and be glad to -- 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Some of these dollars that 10 are flowing out of Washington now -- I'm not sure whether you 11 know the answer or whether Jesse Jack knows the answer. 12 They're being broken down, I assume, by federal agencies, and 13 then that flows on down, farm bills and so forth, things that 14 normally U.S.D.A. does. So, you folks are getting an extra 15 bonanza of dollars under the stimulus package, right? Are 16 there -- are the rules all going to be the same, or are they 17 going to be different, a little more liberal, if you will, in 18 terms of -- of application for funding of projects, or do you 19 know the answer to that? 20 MR. CRABTREE: We're not aware of any changes at 21 this time. We're not going to see any -- 22 MR. HEREFORD: I think the way that the money's 23 broken down is the federal agencies will have their grant 24 programs, and then y'all have the formula funds through 25 C.D.B.G. and, you know, the highway formula funding. And 3-16-09 wk 17 1 then the other chunk of money will be going to the state 2 agencies for the states to distribute. And so, in terms of 3 the rule making, that I don't know. I think each agency has 4 to go through their own process and procedure. But I do 5 think that it'll go through each agency in terms of the 6 grants. So maybe all they'll do -- and, again, nobody seems 7 to know right now. They passed the legislation; I don't even 8 know if the check's been cut yet to the agencies. But the 9 agencies -- what they may do is just keep their current 10 federal grant programs and just put this money into that, 11 because they already have the rules written for that, but 12 that kind of still remains to be determined. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So, what we heard about 14 shovel-ready -- shovel-ready projects may not necessarily 15 mean shovel-ready projects. 16 MR. HEREFORD: Well, that was the intention of the 17 bill, but no, in terms of the actual funding and the grants, 18 we'll have to wait and see on that. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. Any idea when we'll 20 know? 21 MR. HEREFORD: I know that there are grants being 22 posted already for the -- the stimulus bill or the Recovery 23 Act that are out there. I know that -- you know, some of 24 them seem not to have the funding amounts in -- in those 25 grants yet, so they don't have the pot of money, but they 3-16-09 wk 18 1 know that there is going to be a pot of money for that. But 2 we can certainly go back and look at it. I wanted the guys 3 from U.S.D.A. Rural Development to come in today to 4 specifically speak about the Center Point water projects. I 5 know we still have the Ag Barn, but on behalf of Senator 6 Hutchison, we do want to thank U.S.D.A. Rural Development for 7 coming out and speaking to the Commissioners Court today. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I have two comments -- two 9 questions or comments. Are there any other agencies, Jesse, 10 that the Hill Country Youth Exhibit project might qualify for 11 consideration? That's question number one. I got another 12 one for Marvin. 13 MR. HEREFORD: Possibly. It depends on what the -- 14 the Hill Country Youth Exposition is focused on. I know that 15 there's money for, you know, the National Endowment of the 16 Arts, but you have to have some sort of historical art 17 tie-in, and there are all these other grants, and so we may 18 be able to find something else out there. The other thing is 19 C.D.B.G. funds might be able to -- I don't know if you'll be 20 able to use that for this project. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: This may be a little large 22 for a C.D.B.G. block grant. But if you could, you know, 23 examine the prospect of whether or not there are other 24 agencies that this project might qualify for, we sure will be 25 interested. 3-16-09 wk 19 1 MR. HEREFORD: Will do. I'll take a look. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Marvin, going back to 3 Center Point, we talk about wastewater, but also water's in 4 the mix, okay? And -- 5 MR. CRABTREE: It's the same application. You can 6 apply at the same time. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 8 MR. CRABTREE: And we encourage you to do both. 9 Because if you can control the water, it helps to get your 10 sewer bill paid, too, if you have any -- 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. Has the same 12 parameters? 13 MR. CRABTREE: Mm-hmm. Forty-year limit, and 14 it's -- you can do water and waste, you know, bonds at the 15 same time. So, I encourage you to apply at the same time. 16 It's -- have your engineer determine -- 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, there's a preliminary 18 engineering study under way companion to ours on the sewer, 19 which some of the funding went to U.G.R.A. for that purpose, 20 okay? 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Is their application still active? 22 The water component of it? 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah, because they got a 24 grant, Judge, at the same time we did. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 3-16-09 wk 20 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So that planning is going 2 on with Naismith doing that work. Now, they haven't made a 3 determination whether or not they're going to go forward, 4 but -- 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I wasn't sure where they were 6 on that, and we just don't know at this point. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Exactly. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 9 MR. CRABTREE: But you've got my phone number; you 10 can call me up. I'm just up the road. I'll be glad to come 11 down and visit with you or talk to you on the phone. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Come help push this wheelbarrow down 13 the highway here. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We had several big guys -- 15 (Laughter.) We had several big guys lined up to help you 16 push that wheelbarrow up the ramp this morning; you came up 17 the steps with a little old briefcase. 18 MR. CRABTREE: Yeah. Well -- 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Guy, did you have any comments that 20 you wanted to make from an economic development -- 21 MR. OVERBY: I just think it's -- 22 JUDGE TINLEY: -- standpoint? 23 MR. OVERBY: I think it's just, you know, great to 24 hear the different ideas that are out there. I think the 25 Center Point area has so much potential of economic impact 3-16-09 wk 21 1 that -- not only for Kerr County, but for our surrounding 2 areas, and that development -- that whole area is huge, and 3 I'm glad that it's a high priority. I appreciate everything 4 Commissioner Williams has been doing, helping this project 5 get to this point, and everybody here working on that. It's 6 exciting. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Got a ways to go yet. 8 MR. OVERBY: Yes. 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Do you need a copy of this 10 resolution, or will that be a part of our resolution? 11 MR. CRABTREE: Part of the application. I've got 12 the application here. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Sure. 14 MR. CRABTREE: And I'll give it to you when y'all 15 -- whenever -- whoever wants it. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Any -- any gentleman have any more 17 questions for Mr. Crabtree or his folks here? Or 18 Mr. Hereford with the senator's office? Well, let's fold it 19 up, then. We'll be adjourned. Thank you for being here. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Thank you both. 21 (Commissioners Court workshop adjourned at 10:54 a.m.) 22 - - - - - - - - - - 23 24 25 3-16-09 wk 22 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 17th day of March, 2009. 8 9 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3-16-09 wk