1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Budget Workshop 10 Wednesday, July 29, 2009 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 WILLIAM "BILL" WILLIAMS, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X July 29, 2009 2 PAGE 3 Review and discuss FY 2009-10 Budgets and fiscal, capital expenditure, and personnel matters related 4 thereto for various county departments, including, but not limited to the following departments: 5 Animal Control 3 6 District Courts 7 District Attorneys 23 7 Tax Assessor 51 Juvenile Detention Facility 56 8 Facilities and Maintenance 61 Justice of the Peace 1, 2, 3 & 4 74 9 Constable 1, 2, 3 & 4 95 10 --- Adjourned 100 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Wednesday, July 29, 2009, at 9:00 a.m., a budget 2 workshop meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was 3 held in the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's come to order, if we 8 might, Kerr County Commissioners Court workshop posted and 9 scheduled for today, Wednesday, July 29th, 2009, at 9 a.m. 10 It's a bit past that time now, so we'll proceed. The 11 workshop is for the purpose of reviewing and discussing 12 fiscal year 2009-10 budgets and fiscal capital expenditures 13 and personnel matters related thereto for various county 14 departments, including, but not limited to, various 15 departments. And the first one that we have on the list is 16 Animal Control, so we will proceed to that one. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What -- anybody have a page? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: It's 10-642. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Animal Control. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There it is. It's on 83. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Whitt, it appears, in my review 22 of your budget, there may have been some changes prior to it 23 getting here, particularly if you had any capital items; they 24 would have been removed. 25 MS. WHITT: Correct. 7-29-09 bwk 4 1 JUDGE TINLEY: But you can see that in the change 2 column, I didn't make any changes. 3 MS. WHITT: Correct. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Unless they've been eliminated in 5 some manner. 6 MS. WHITT: The fuel. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Hmm? 8 MS. WHITT: The fuel is the only thing I see 9 that -- that was lowered. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What was? 11 MS. HARGIS: It was 21. 12 MS. WHITT: 21. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm not showing a change there. I 14 recall, now that you mention it, that I did make a change. 15 MS. HARGIS: Judge, I think those were the early 16 changes. That's before we copied over, so you may not see 17 it, because it's when you were starting to make them. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 19 MS. WHITT: It was 21,197. 20 MS. HARGIS: It's about three-quarters of the way 21 down. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I'm going to have to go to my 23 old reliable hard copy here. There it is, yes. And I did a 24 slight reduction, I think, in uniforms. 25 MS. WHITT: Correct, by 500. 7-29-09 bwk 5 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. Those are the two changes I 2 made in your budget. I recalculated your fuel item, mainly. 3 It indicates that you had that cranked in at, I think, 4 something in excess of $4 a gallon. I certainly hope it 5 doesn't get that bad. I went in at two and six bits. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Want to translate that into 7 English for people that aren't -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: $2.75. (Laughter.) 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I understood it; I just wanted 10 to make sure everybody else did. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: They need to go to a cattle auction, 12 right? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I've been over a lot of these 14 budgets, and this is one of the items that I think that may 15 be targeted in everybody's budget, based on everything -- 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which one is that? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The fuel, gas, and oil -- or 18 whatever it is, vehicle gas and oil, maintenance. Most 19 everybody is still basing it on $4 a gallon, which was what 20 we based it on last year, and that may happen, but I think 21 that that could be lowered in a lot of those budgets. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All of them. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, every one that I saw. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, and there'll be some budgets 25 later -- the constables, notably -- that you'll see some 7-29-09 bwk 6 1 reduction for fuel, that I've made an adjustment there also. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good. 'Cause that seems to 3 me to be a spot that could be reduced significantly. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, there's a note there 5 that talks about it being estimated too high. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Ms. Whitt, any thoughts, 7 comments about adjustments that were made to your budget? 8 MS. WHITT: No, sir, I think we're good. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Anyone on the Court have any 10 thoughts about any of those adjustments or any other matter 11 that's in that particular budget? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not at this time, sir. 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: No, Judge. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That was easy, wasn't it? 16 MS. WHITT: Yes, it was. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to the -- 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Janie? 19 MS. WHITT: Yes, sir? 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You and I need to go and 21 talk about signs. 22 MS. WHITT: Yes. I sent you an e-mail; I don't 23 know if you got that. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 25 MS. HARGIS: Judge, before we go to the next 7-29-09 bwk 7 1 budget, just a heads-up so you'll know for this afternoon. 2 Our agreement with the City calls for them to pay 17 percent 3 of this budget this year, and the net result of that, after 4 we give them credit for revenue and credit for the City of 5 Ingram, is 51,929. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: 51,000? 7 MS. HARGIS: 900. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Almost 52,000 will be their 9 contribution. 10 MS. HARGIS: And this is the last year, and then it 11 goes to zero. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. The next one, our 13 District Courts. 216th, I show it as being on Page 24. It's 14 435. There are some personnel discussions that -- that I've 15 had with your judges, Ms. Henderson that are really outside 16 the scope of -- 17 MS. HENDERSON: Right. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: -- of this workshop. And I realize 19 the difficulty that they have in dealing with district-wide 20 employees, as opposed to county employees, but we'll continue 21 that discussion with -- with your judges. 22 MS. HENDERSON: Okay. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: The other adjustments that I've made 24 in the budget, I decreased postage, and I did so on the basis 25 of some historical use. I just couldn't see that that amount 7-29-09 bwk 8 1 would be expended. If there's something that you know that I 2 don't, why -- 3 MS. HENDERSON: No, I was just using -- going by 4 what we had already used and what we -- 5 JUDGE TINLEY: What does the expenditure to-date 6 show, Ms. Hargis? 7 MS. HARGIS: On the postage? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Uh-huh. 9 MS. HARGIS: Just a second. I don't have it on the 10 -- my printout here. You should have it there in your column 11 that says year-to-date. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it shows zero. 13 MS. HENDERSON: Oh, I know what happened on that. 14 We are using Linda's postage meter, and she, like, does it 15 once a year; she tells us how much we owe. So, I know she 16 just sent down a bunch of postage, and it was, like, $1,400, 17 $1,500. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 19 MS. HENDERSON: And that's why that's not showing 20 up on -- the one I have ends in May. May 31st. 21 MS. HARGIS: Tess, that'll be 10-435-309. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. So, maybe we need to 23 restore that, then, is what I'm hearing. 24 MS. HENDERSON: Last year we used almost all the 25 postage we had. 7-29-09 bwk 9 1 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, she's used 1,349. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 3 MS. HARGIS: She's got three months to go. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And what was requested, 5 Judge? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: 1,400. 7 MS. HENDERSON: Now, we do get some postage from 8 the other counties. Have you gotten that, Jeannie? 9 MS. HARGIS: Well, I'll get it when they give us 10 their amount. I think it needs to stay at the 14. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you making these changes? 12 MS. MABRY: Yes. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well, I just made that one, 14 or somebody did. I tried. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Buster did it. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Buster did it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I haven't touched a 18 thing. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. The -- the other thing I did 20 dealt with your court-appointed services, court-appointed 21 attorneys. It ended up being a wash. I decreased services 22 by 20 and increased your court-appointed attorney by 20. But 23 in looking at -- 24 MS. HARGIS: I moved -- we moved that to the new 25 line item for the C.P.S. cases, Judge. 7-29-09 bwk 10 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 2 MS. HENDERSON: Now, that's going to be -- the 3 civil court-appointed attorney is going to be that new line 4 item. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes. I'm talking about 6 court-appointed services. You had originally asked for 55. 7 That got reduced to 30. But the 170, which you didn't ask 8 for under court-appointed attorneys, criminal, has been 9 increased by that same amount. So -- 10 MS. HENDERSON: So, 195? 11 JUDGE TINLEY: 195 is what's shown here. 12 MS. HARGIS: And they're at 202 on that one, I can 13 tell you. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Already spent 202? 15 MS. HENDERSON: We've got those capital -- we've 16 got those murder trials coming up, too. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: I didn't notice anything under 18 special trials. 19 MS. HENDERSON: Yeah, that's 216th. Well, we 20 always left that blank, because we never know when it's going 21 to be tried. And -- we had discussed that a couple years 22 ago, and we always left special trials blank, and then if we 23 had to -- we never know when it's going to be tried. It may 24 be tried this year, may be tried next year, may be tried the 25 following year, that organized crime murder trial out in 7-29-09 bwk 11 1 Ingram. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That's a 216th case, 3 Kowalski. 4 MS. HENDERSON: It's Tidwell. 5 MR. BARTON: Kowalski's the victim, I think. 6 MS. HENDERSON: But, I mean, we don't know. That 7 one will be a big trial, but we just don't know when. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: What's the Court's pleasure on that? 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Which one? 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Special trials. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We've gone back and forth two 12 different ways. We used to try to budget what may be coming 13 up that year, and we generally didn't spend it. And then we 14 went to the policy of not budgeting for them, and figure the 15 -- it's easy to pull it out as an emergency or -- which I 16 don't know; I guess it qualifies as an emergency. I don't 17 know. It was -- we've done it both ways. I don't know that 18 it makes that much difference. It kind of was used as a 19 slush fund -- I don't mean a slush fund in a bad way; 20 someplace that, if we went over budget, we just pulled it out 21 of special trials, 'cause it wasn't ever used. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think it gets down to 23 whether we're tight or not tight. If we're tight, we need to 24 include it. If the trial came up, we took care of it when it 25 came up. 7-29-09 bwk 12 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You don't have much choice. 2 I don't see any point -- 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I don't see a point in 4 putting the -- 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We don't know if it's this 6 year or next year. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The discussion came up on the 8 Seard trial; we tried to budget it for a couple years, and 9 then we gave up and said, well -- 10 MS. HENDERSON: Yeah, 'cause we never -- he's still 11 -- right, we never -- 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Have to pay it whether we 13 want to or not. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge? The court-appointed 15 attorney, -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- they had requested 18 something, and you adjusted it up to 195? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the Auditor says that 21 we're already over 200. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: That prompts a question. Do we need 23 to make a further adjustment? Obviously -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is a good question. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah. 7-29-09 bwk 13 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Great question. 2 MS. HENDERSON: A lot of that -- 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't think so. 4 MS. HENDERSON: A lot of that is for attorneys in 5 that organized crime case. So, you know, it could come out 6 of special trials if you want to take those attorney's fees, 7 but a lot of those are attorney's fees. There's a lot of 8 people involved in that. A lot of attorneys had to be 9 appointed. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: So, you don't see -- well, 11 there's nothing like that on the docket coming up? 12 MS. HENDERSON: Well, yeah, those attorneys will 13 keep having to be paid until this case is closed. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. It's not closed yet. 15 MS. HENDERSON: No, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Is there some possibility 17 that the e-file stuff is going to reduce this any? 18 MS. HENDERSON: I don't think so. 19 MR. BARTON: I think that might be a good question 20 for Linda. I don't believe that the Legislature permits us 21 to do e-filing in criminal matters. Now, civil stuff, it may 22 have an impact on. 23 MS. HENDERSON: I don't think it's going to have 24 any impact on criminal. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 7-29-09 bwk 14 1 JUDGE TINLEY: What's the Court's pleasure? Do we 2 increase the 195 to 200? 210? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I would rather see us 4 increase that to show what it truly is, as opposed to put it 5 under special trials and then we're not clear what that money 6 was actually spent for later on. That'd be my preference. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: What -- do you have any suggested 8 amount, Commissioner? 9 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 200? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 200 sounds -- that sounds 11 good. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If we're at 202 already, we 13 still have three more -- two more months, at least. It 14 seems -- I mean, it's always a guess, but -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All of it's a guess. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think you got two months 17 left, August and September. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, if you look back at the 19 history on the things, there's no way to really predict it. 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's right. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just try to get close. 22 And -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 195 is close to 202. Close as 24 200, to me. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's a pretty -- 7-29-09 bwk 15 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: About half a furlong off. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If you're from Comfort, 185 3 is pretty close. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Onc't. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Onc't. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Are we going to play the con 8 on that one? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Leave it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. The only other one that I 11 meddled with was your telephone; I reduced that by 600, based 12 upon historical use. And bear in mind, all the capital items 13 have been removed from these operating budgets. We need to 14 all understand that. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, are we going to have a 16 -- on one of our workshops, just kind of discuss capital 17 items only, so we can go through this full list of capital 18 items? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: We can have capital items on the -- 20 on the agenda, certainly. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's what I mean, so we can 22 kind of go through -- 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- by department of what's -- 25 MS. HENDERSON: I don't think I had any capital 7-29-09 bwk 16 1 items. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: No, that was just a general -- 3 general comment. 4 MS. HENDERSON: Do you want to do 198th? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on -- any comments, 6 thoughts, concerns, other than what we mentioned here, 7 Ms. Henderson? 8 MS. HENDERSON: No, sir, I don't think so. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Why don't we then go to the 10 198th. That's going to be -- I'm showing Page 26. Again, 11 personnel issues. I did the same thing on postage, but that 12 needs to be restored, I presume, if -- if those budgets are 13 operating pretty much alike. 14 MS. HENDERSON: Yes, sir. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Back to the 1,400, Tess. I reduced 16 that telephone to 1,000. 17 MS. HENDERSON: Now, this civil court-appointed 18 attorney will also come out of this budget, and put in its 19 own budget, correct? 20 MS. HARGIS: I'm going to show you that in just a 21 minute. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: It's already been eliminated. 23 MS. HARGIS: Yes, it's been eliminated. 24 MS. HENDERSON: Okay. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: And those two, court-appointed 7-29-09 bwk 17 1 services and court-appointed attorneys, appear to be 2 operating within the -- within the tolerances of what you 3 requested and what we had previously. 4 MS. HENDERSON: Okay. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: So I don't see a problem with that. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What about the special 7 district judge line item? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: That particular item has started to 9 get some action here of late, because of this so-called rapid 10 docket that they've instituted. Those funds are being 11 expended now, whereas they had not been previously. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We couldn't -- we couldn't 13 ask Judge Sherrill to forego this and just accept his 14 retirement? (Laughter.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think he's drawing 16 retirement. 17 MS. HENDERSON: I'm not. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You ask him. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: I would not ask him to do that. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I would, just for the 21 heck of it. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All right, be my guest. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I know what the answer is 24 before I ask, but -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: You know, Judge Sherrill, for many, 7-29-09 bwk 18 1 many years, has -- other than just draw expenses that he's 2 had, has made his services available for no cost for a pretty 3 good length of time. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I understand. I was just -- 5 JUDGE TINLEY: I think the good times are over. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I just like to give him, you 7 know, what I think he deserves sometimes. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He gives me what he thinks I 10 ought to have, too. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The current -- the note -- 12 the notation talks about it being increased to 14,5. Is that 13 an old notation? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Under what, Bill? 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Increased to 14,5. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: I never did see that. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: On what was submitted. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Current year notes, the 20 notation by the -- 21 MS. HARGIS: The current year is last year. 22 Current year is the year that we are in now. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Pardon? 25 MS. HARGIS: The current year is the year that we 7-29-09 bwk 19 1 are currently in, so -- and they do show up. The next year 2 notes are for the budget that you're reviewing today. Both 3 sets of notes are on here. 4 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Any indication that we won't be able 6 to operate reasonably within the 12,5 for each of those 7 courts? 8 MS. HENDERSON: I think that'll be -- that's fine. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. Any other questions or 10 concerns you have about the 198th budget? 11 MS. HENDERSON: No, sir. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody on the Court have any -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just wanted to clarify 14 something. The overall budget on 216th, Becky, is 15 337,000-plus, and 198th is 290. That's a -- that's quite a 16 bit of difference. Can you just refresh my memory of why the 17 difference between -- why that much difference between 198th 18 and 216th? 19 MS. HENDERSON: Well, a lot of it's under the 20 court-appointed attorneys. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And 216th has more activity? 22 MS. HENDERSON: 216th has more actual filed 23 criminal cases right now. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And do you think that's 25 because of Gillespie and the larger -- they have larger 7-29-09 bwk 20 1 counties than the 198th does? 2 MS. HENDERSON: Well, this is for Kerr County. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This is Kerr County only? 4 MS. HENDERSON: Mm-hmm. And I think now with the 5 -- the different way we're filing, I think it'll -- it may 6 pick up in the 198th, and we're trying to even it out more 7 now. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thanks. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: The thought is that over time, it 10 will more or less equalize. They got a couple of qualifiers 11 in there dealing with the same defendant having existing 12 cases in another court, one of the major ones, so that 13 they've -- they've had to modify. But over time, it should 14 pretty much equal out. 15 MS. HENDERSON: We're trying to get equaled out. 16 We're now transferring cases -- if an individual defendant 17 has cases in 216th and a case in 198th, then we're trying to 18 transfer one of them to the other court, so it will 19 eventually even itself out. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. Thank you. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, Ms. Henderson. 22 MS. HENDERSON: Thank you. 23 MS. HARGIS: Would you like to go to 407 now to 24 look at the civil court-appointed attorney fees? 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes. 7-29-09 bwk 21 1 MS. HARGIS: So, if you'll go to 407, you're going 2 to have to backup. It's only one line item in it. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 407 -- where's 407? 4 MS. HARGIS: That is made up of the County Court at 5 Law and both district courts, and that's currently what 6 they're requesting and using. 7 MS. HENDERSON: If I can add something to that, the 8 reason that is so high is, on court-appointed attorneys in 9 civil cases, we have had C.P.S. cases filed -- just a lot of 10 them. And whenever a C.P.S. case is filed, they always seek 11 termination; whenever they seek termination, then every party 12 is -- gets a court-appointed attorney, and it's becoming very 13 -- we have a lot of cases filed right now, and there's a lot 14 of court-appointed attorneys in those cases. We have one 15 case that we're fixing to try in November that has eight 16 parties and eight different attorneys in one case, and it's 17 going to be at least a week-long trial. So -- 18 JUDGE TINLEY: And we're paying for all of them. 19 MS. HENDERSON: We have to pay for all of them, for 20 all the attorneys. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is this C.P.S. only? 22 MS. HENDERSON: No, it's not. Well -- 23 MS. HARGIS: No, it's not C.P.S. only. 24 MS. HENDERSON: It's not just C.P.S., but I would 25 say 90 percent of it's C.P.S. 7-29-09 bwk 22 1 MS. HARGIS: It's civil. 2 MS. HENDERSON: It is Attorney General. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. What all courts does 4 this -- 5 MS. HARGIS: All of the courts. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All courts? 7 MS. HARGIS: Well, not the J.P.'s, but the County 8 Court at Law and the District Judges. And it's currently the 9 -- the amount that they are currently budgeted just all 10 lumped into one. Last year we had 50,000 in there for the 11 County Court at Law, and now we've added 120 for the others. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why is it that we're lumping 13 them all in one? Just -- I'm just curious. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, the -- the Judges have been 15 voicing concern to me for some time. Initially, it was Judge 16 Brown. It was included in his budget, and he had absolutely 17 no control over it. He wasn't aware of what these lawyers 18 were doing, and he was having matters ordered to be paid out 19 of his budget that he had absolutely no knowledge about. And 20 bottom line is, it's an effort to have these associate judges 21 or masters become more accountable and have to operate within 22 their own budget, rather than just sitting out there outside 23 of the loop and not be accountable. If -- if they need more 24 money, they're going to need to come to the Court to ask for 25 it, and I think that's the way it should be. I agree with 7-29-09 bwk 23 1 those judges. I would not want somebody approving items on 2 my budget for attorney's fees that I have no idea. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Who would be doing those 4 approvals like that? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: The associate judges, the ones 6 before whom these lawyers are doing the work and requesting 7 payment. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Occasionally, one of the J.P.'s will 10 have -- and generally it's a truancy case, for example, and 11 there will be a requirement that they appoint a lawyer, and 12 they don't have it in their budget, so they -- they send it 13 to me to charge it against my budget. But they do that 14 through me. They approve what they suggest the award to be, 15 so they're telling me they had control over it. Then they 16 send it to me and I approve it from there. But there's so 17 many of them that occur, County Court at Law and the two 18 District Courts, that it's not fair to those judges to have 19 their budgets be burdened with that. They need a separate 20 budget for those cases, and I agree with them. Okay, 21 District Attorneys. Okay. We've gotten new information from 22 Mr. Barton, -- 23 MR. BARTON: Good morning. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: -- 198th. I apologize for not 25 having the opportunity to look at -- 7-29-09 bwk 24 1 MR. BARTON: Well, maybe the first thing to look at 2 is the one that looks like this. That's the same one, Judge, 3 that we talked about in our meeting last week. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 5 MR. BARTON: And this is the big -- big scary news, 6 that this is the reality of what the current expenditures out 7 of the D.A.'s office is. The numbers that you see in this 8 budget under proposed expenditures are a mirror of what is 9 exactly being done to-date. Okay? So, this is -- this is 10 the status-quo that I was handed in January, so to speak. 11 Well, after our very serious meeting last week with all of 12 our county judges, it was asked of me to come back with 13 something that looks a little prettier, and -- and that's 14 what this sheet that you've got there is. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The smaller print? 16 MR. BARTON: Smaller print. Well, and smaller 17 numbers, okay? And that's the big deal. What that second 18 set of information is, it's what our budget would look like 19 with a quarter million dollar cut in it. So -- 20 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: The first sheet's -- Amos, 21 the first sheet you held up, is that the one that has the 22 logo on top of it? 23 MR. BARTON: It's a two-pager. Yes, that's it. 24 Yours has a logo on it. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay, thank you. 7-29-09 bwk 25 1 MR. BARTON: The bottom line is, under -- under the 2 status-quo, Kerr County's portion is 355 -- 355,000. Under 3 the version that the county judges sought from me, Kerr 4 County's portion is 245. So, a little over -- well a 5 $110,000 difference. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Is that the result of 7 cutting your budget, or a different apportionment? 8 MR. BARTON: It's a result of a quarter million 9 dollar cut, firing people, closing the Junction office. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Amos had some pretty tough decisions 11 to make, some real hard decisions, and I don't envy him a 12 bit -- 13 MR. BARTON: So, -- 14 JUDGE TINLEY: -- having to make those decisions. 15 MR. BARTON: -- what I wanted to do in presenting 16 both of these budgets to the Court is -- is let you know this 17 is what it costs us to do what we're doing right now. I 18 understand economic hard times have hit everybody, especially 19 those western counties out there, and they are kicking and 20 screaming; you know, it's real hard for them to do anything. 21 So, the second budget that I submitted, I just want to -- I'm 22 providing that information to the Court. If the Court does 23 what they tell me they're going to have to do, that's what my 24 budget would look like. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What do you mean by that 7-29-09 bwk 26 1 statement? 2 MR. BARTON: What I mean is, I want to -- I want to 3 come before the respective courts of all of my counties and 4 say, "Here's what I would like; here's what it takes to do 5 what we're doing right now." I understand -- but I don't 6 want to submit a budget that contemplates the termination of 7 those folks that are -- that are providing those services. 8 So, if the Court wants to see what a budget a quarter million 9 dollars less would look like, that's what it would look like. 10 So, I -- as far as this being my supplanted budget or my 11 revised budget in place of the original one, I don't really 12 want to do that, but I want the Court to have the 13 information. If y'all tell me, "This is what you're going to 14 get," that's how I would propose to expend what money we do 15 get. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Of course, the biggest thing 17 is your personnel issue. 18 MR. BARTON: That's right. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see -- I see you've moved 20 everybody out of the forfeiture fund over to budget. 21 MR. BARTON: That's correct. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Except Mr. Chapman. 23 MR. BARTON: That's correct. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the reasoning behind 25 leaving Mr. Chapman in the -- in that fund is what? 7-29-09 bwk 27 1 MR. BARTON: Is I think there's -- the District 2 Attorney's office provides services related to getting bad 3 guys, and I think that that's a burden that should be carried 4 by the counties. You know, that's the job of the D.A.'s 5 office historically. We have this fund that, if -- if we 6 kept operating at our existing tempo, we'd run the ship 7 aground in maybe 18 months. So, what -- what we need to do 8 is we need to get the core personnel for the D.A.'s office on 9 a budgeted salaried amount. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 11 MR. BARTON: These are the people that, if -- if 12 that forfeiture fund goes away, we still got to have these 13 people to do the duties of the D.A.'s office. So, I need to 14 get that -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Actually, what I see here is 16 Mr. Chapman is left under the forfeiture fund -- in the 17 forfeiture fund, because that's what he's directly related 18 to. That's about the only thing he's directly related to as 19 far as your overall operation is concerned. See, to me -- to 20 me, this is really a clearer picture by leaving him there. 21 MR. BARTON: Well, I don't think that that's 22 something that the taxpayers should -- should be burdened 23 with. I think that we have some money in that forfeiture 24 fund. The money came from drug dealers. I think it's a good 25 way to spend the funds, combating drug dealers again. But 7-29-09 bwk 28 1 that just comes at, you know, at no cost to the taxpayers, 2 and I don't really think that providing that extra service is 3 something that the taxpayers ought to be burdened with. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with you 5 100 percent. That's what I'm saying. 6 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. It's exactly the 8 right way, in my opinion, to do it. 9 MR. BARTON: So -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So far. 11 MR. BARTON: So, what you see under that column, 12 there are -- under apportioned to forfeiture fund, you see, 13 of course, all the costs associated with that interdiction 14 program, the traffic enforcement program, including vehicle 15 expenses and insurance and all of those kind of things. We 16 do have office supplies in there. That's -- we've got -- we 17 were tentatively awarded this Byrne grant for 70-something 18 thousand, so we got our software that we -- that we've made 19 application for. I think that may happen sometime in 20 October. And there may be some associated equipment costs in 21 implementing that. So, that's good. Got -- got some new 22 software at no cost to our taxpayers. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: What I'm hearing from you, then, is 24 that the -- the new cleaner document is not your proposed 25 revised budget. If you had your druthers, you would stick 7-29-09 bwk 29 1 with your original, but if -- if there is a necessity for you 2 to receive less funds, this is about as lean as you can get, 3 in your opinion? 4 MR. BARTON: I wouldn't say as lean as I could get. 5 There's some expenses associated with contract labor there 6 you see on that -- that $10,000 line item. I've got that in 7 there to contemplate large appellate cases that we got. 8 Like, you know, we had our Mexican Mafia case; that's still 9 on appeal. We won at the Fourth Court, but, you know, those 10 guys keep appealing those -- any time you're getting 11 sentences that are for centuries and many, many decades, 12 there's going to be appellate work to be done, so I figured 13 that in there. I could move that over to the forfeiture 14 fund; it is an expense that we're going to have. It's just 15 inherent in what we do. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That would be a nice move. 17 MR. BARTON: To move that over, and have the drug 18 forfeiture fund fund some stuff like that. That is a place, 19 if we're looking to -- to nickel-and-dime it down, which we 20 can, that would be -- that would inure to the benefit of Kerr 21 County 56 percent of that $10,000 move, so $5,600 off of that 22 245,000. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Amos, these guys allow me 24 one boy-dummy question a year, and now is that time. And 25 it's -- 7-29-09 bwk 30 1 MR. BARTON: This is where I get scared, when you 2 say stuff like that. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It scares me, too. That's 4 the scary part. And it's the same question that I asked 5 about the District Courts, and the 216th District -- District 6 Attorney's office has a $248,000 proposed budget. 7 MR. BARTON: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And yours is 355. Now -- 9 MR. BARTON: That's on the old. That's -- yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand, yeah. 245. 11 MR. BARTON: So, we're a little less than that. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, a little bit less. 13 MR. BARTON: But that difference -- I don't know if 14 it is the same question, 'cause we're operating a completely 15 self-sustained, freestanding office for the western counties, 16 which is a prosecutor, an investigator, a secretary, a 17 building, and all the attendant expenses for that. So, 18 that's -- when -- when asked to cut off an arm, that's the 19 way we do it. That's where we come up with a quarter million 20 dollar savings. So, that -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, you eliminated that 22 freestanding -- 23 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And -- well, you know, I was 25 raised out at Hunt, you know, big -- big city type thing, so 7-29-09 bwk 31 1 I can think big city. It seems to me, though, that your -- 2 your 198th District -- I mean, Menard County and Mason County 3 and Junction, compared to Boerne and Fredericksburg, no, it 4 just doesn't -- it's not -- to me, it's not even -- not even 5 the same ballpark. 6 MR. BARTON: No, sir, I think you're exactly right. 7 You know, I don't know what the apportionments look like for 8 the 216th; I haven't seen their -- their proposed 9 apportionments, but I would guess it would be a little closer 10 to 25 percent. 25 percent, you know, it's -- there's a 11 little more equity in population, which I understand is how 12 they do theirs. We -- we do a pro rata division by case 13 load, which really has those guys out there squealing. 14 They -- and I say that; you know, Menard, Mason, they would 15 like to see apportionment by per capita population. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm sure they would. 17 MR. BARTON: Yeah. That would -- 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 19 MR. BARTON: That would take Kerr County's 20 contribution to the budget from 56 percent, I think, to 21 73 percent, is what I computed that. And "fair" is a word 22 that we don't use in law very much, (Laughter.) -- but, you 23 know, what is fair? It seems like where we -- where we spend 24 our time ought to be kind of how we apportion our budget. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Barton, this revised document, 7-29-09 bwk 32 1 has this been presented to the other four counties in your 2 district? 3 MR. BARTON: It's been presented to Menard and to 4 Kimble County informally, just to the County Judges, and I've 5 got a meeting with the Menard County Judge to go over the 6 details of it. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: You don't have any immediate 8 reaction from either of those? 9 MR. BARTON: Well, I think the immediate reaction 10 is going to be, "We like the smaller numbers." There's going 11 to be a perceived cut in services out there. You know, that 12 Junction office is closer in proximity. They perceive better 13 service out there. But the converse of that is, the 198th 14 office was in Kimble County for years and years, and there 15 was no Kerr County office. So, you know, it's -- it can be 16 done and it will be done. So, it's going to be one of those 17 things that I'll just have to prove to them we can do if the 18 Court ends up going that way. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it's pretty obvious to me, 20 based upon the meeting that -- that we all attended, that 21 you're certainly headed in the right direction for those of 22 us that have to wrassle with budgets, and particularly in 23 these lean times, and we appreciate your effort. I'm not 24 sure we're to the end of the road here, but I'll be 25 interested to know what the -- what the other courts -- what 7-29-09 bwk 33 1 their thinking is on this new information that you've 2 presented. 3 MR. BARTON: Well, just as an example, Menard said 4 that the best that they thought they could do is 32,000, and 5 even under -- even after a quarter million dollar cut, their 6 portion is still 46,000. So, to -- to you guys, that's not a 7 huge deal, but as Judge Cordes put it, that -- that 8 translates to one cent for him. One cent is $13,000. So, 9 it's just a little different situation out there. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, both you and Amos have 11 referred to a meeting that -- and you both said we all 12 attended. Well, I didn't attend that meeting. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: No, this was -- this was attended by 14 the county judges of -- well, the County Judge from McCulloch 15 County was not there, but the longest serving commissioner 16 was there. Randy wasn't able to be there, but all the other 17 county judges were there, budget officers in those counties. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the meeting purpose? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Was to look at the 198th budget. 20 MR. BARTON: To kick the District Attorney. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The purpose was to kick -- 22 okay. Different perspective from who was at the meeting. 23 (Laughter.) And, obviously, I don't deal with your budget 24 probably near as much as the Judge does, or familiar with it. 25 Can you explain briefly why we have this -- or why you have 7-29-09 bwk 34 1 this problem? I mean, it seems that staff was hired -- and 2 this is what I think I understood. Staff was hired and paid 3 under the forfeiture fund, and now, for a reason that -- that 4 we're not using -- or you can't, or are not going to use that 5 fund for this staff. Can you explain what happened between 6 when the staff was hired using that fund and what's happened 7 today when we're no longer -- or you are no longer using this 8 fund? 9 MR. BARTON: I think the short answer is that the 10 counties grew reliant on the District -- the former District 11 Attorney supplementing increases in services by payment from 12 the forfeiture fund. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 14 MR. BARTON: Now we got to face the music. We got 15 to either cut services or move those expenses that should be 16 borne by the taxpayers to the budgeted side of the D.A. 17 operations. And I think that that's -- that's what the whole 18 dialogue has been about -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, okay. 20 MR. BARTON: -- achieving. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the forfeiture fund just 22 doesn't have the revenue in it that it used to, or used for 23 different purposes? 24 MR. BARTON: That's correct. It doesn't have the, 25 I'd say, cash flow coming in like it used to. You got to 7-29-09 bwk 35 1 understand, I guess, historically, the asset forfeiture fund 2 was -- it was a couple of large seizures that happened quite 3 a while back, and as far as there being any kind of steady 4 source of replenishing that fund, there -- there is nothing 5 there. I mean, it's -- you're relying on so many moving 6 targets that the good guys are right there at the same time 7 the bad guys are there, and it's just -- it's not a reliable 8 source of funds to pay key personnel. So, however, with the 9 county budgets and the taxes and us contemplating these 10 things coming way down the road, we need something reliable 11 when we're providing prosecution services to the citizens, so 12 I just don't think that asset forfeiture fund should be 13 relied on. And -- and to reiterate what I said just a little 14 bit ago, if we did keep providing the same level of services, 15 meaning personnel, the same level of employment, same number 16 of personnel apportioned to the asset forfeiture fund, we 17 would run the ship aground in about 18 months. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- and you have some uses 19 outlined for your forfeiture fund now? 20 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If there -- do you have any 22 plan or any -- if that fund has sufficient dollars available 23 to pro rata distribute it back to the counties as an offset? 24 MR. BARTON: No, sir, I'm not -- 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or do you plan to -- 7-29-09 bwk 36 1 MR. BARTON: I'm not permitted to do that by law. 2 Chapter 59 of the Code of Criminal Procedure dictates the 3 things that we can do. The things that we can do can inure 4 to the benefit of the counties; for example, buying vehicles, 5 equipment, training for law enforcement, things that would 6 normally be shouldered at some point by a county, we can fund 7 through the asset forfeiture fund. So, there -- there can be 8 some. I know Harris County puts -- Chapter 59 permits a 9 10 percent -- 10 percent of the asset forfeiture funds for a 10 given year to be rolled into the county for limited use. I 11 know that that's under some scrutiny right now. So, I think 12 the best way for the counties to receive the direct benefit 13 would be by the D.A.'s office, in cooperation with the other 14 chief law enforcement officers, to fund the purchase of 15 either better equipment, newer equipment, replacement 16 equipment, you know, things like that, including vehicles. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, that's kind of where you 18 plan to go, down that -- 19 MR. BARTON: Yes. A more traditional spending of 20 the asset forfeiture funds. That's really what it is. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What about -- go ahead. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it, thank you. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Your employees, their -- and 24 their salaries, are those salaries determined by you? Or 25 whose employees are they? Are they your employees? They're 7-29-09 bwk 37 1 not county employees? They're not -- 2 MR. BARTON: They are my employees. The salaries 3 are set by me. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And whose health care and 5 retirement are they under? 6 MR. BARTON: We pay that. Well, Kerr County 7 provides the services, meaning they provide a check-writing 8 service. They provide -- Eva helps us out with all of our 9 benefits and all of the normal stuff that -- just like a 10 county employee would. But you can see the line items for 11 each one of those things that each county contributes to, you 12 know, FICA, medical, all of that, and we reimburse Kerr 13 County. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: All that's part of that 15 percentage that we -- 16 MR. BARTON: That's correct, and it's under that 17 line item there under payroll expenses. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Amos, I want to go back to 20 your comment a minute ago with respect to the forfeiture 21 fund. If I understood you correctly, what you're saying was 22 if you continue the expenditures at a certain level -- 23 previous level, -- 24 MR. BARTON: Status-quo. 25 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: -- you would run the ship 7-29-09 bwk 38 1 in the ground in 18 months? 2 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Did I understand correctly? 4 MR. BARTON: Roughly. I mean -- 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I'm leading up to the 6 question, that based on -- based on charging the forfeiture 7 fund almost $200,000 in this revised budget, right? When's 8 the ship run aground? 9 MR. BARTON: We can essentially double the life of 10 the asset forfeiture fund. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Then what happens? 12 MR. BARTON: My term is over. (Laughter.) No. 13 No, the -- the short answer is, how the heck do I know? We 14 don't know. The best we can do is with the information that 15 we have now. Perhaps there is a -- a seizure that occurs 16 sometime in the next three years, as opposed to 18 months. 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That would be a seizure of 18 stuff as opposed to a seizure of the hearts of these people, 19 right? 20 MR. BARTON: Well, you know, the -- if the ship 21 runs aground, if the asset forfeiture fund is depleted and 22 there's no criminal activity, if we're successful in shutting 23 down the trafficking of narcotics and contraband up and down 24 I-10, great. There won't be any more funds going into that 25 asset forfeiture fund, not any sizable ones for sure, and 7-29-09 bwk 39 1 that's great. But because we have a responsible budget, the 2 D.A.'s office can continue to function even in the absence of 3 that asset forfeiture fund. So, if the ship runs aground, 4 the -- the citizens won't perceive any change in the level of 5 services the D.A.'s office provides. 6 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Thank you for your 7 explanation. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Amos, I would -- I would 9 like to talk -- go down individually and talk about these 10 employees. 11 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If you're uncomfortable with 13 that, let me know, 'cause I'm fixing to launch into it. 14 MR. BARTON: Sure. Go ahead. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, Garvene is a Junction 16 employee. 17 MR. BARTON: That's correct. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And she -- 19 MR. BARTON: She stays. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: She stays. Does she come to 21 Kerrville now? Does she move to Kerrville? 22 MR. BARTON: Well, we're talking about what that 23 would look like. We don't really know, but with this new 24 software that we've received the grant for, it may permit a 25 telecommuting type situation, so we wouldn't have to fund an 7-29-09 bwk 40 1 office or anything for her. She's already got the -- the 2 essentials. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, cool. That's fine. 4 That's fine. And Tonya is eliminated. Tonya is -- 5 MR. BARTON: Prosecutor. Under -- yes. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And she's in Junction? 7 MR. BARTON: And she's been a good hand. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: She was in Junction? 9 MR. BARTON: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And, of course, we all know 11 and love Mr. Andrews. And then there's you, and then Todd 12 remains in Kerrville. And Ms. Causey is also in Kerrville. 13 MR. BARTON: That's correct. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And Mr. Chapman will remain 15 wherever he remains. And then there's the honorable Kyle 16 Dean that we all love. 17 MR. BARTON: And that -- that $4 on there, that's 18 some rounding error. I don't know how that gets in there. I 19 can't make it go away, but it's 50,000. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: For Kyle? 21 MR. BARTON: So, there's a $4 savings. (Laughter.) 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Wonderful. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: If, for some reason, -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I didn't say that. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: -- it gets into the payroll, we can 7-29-09 bwk 41 1 demand a refund in cash from him for that directly. 2 MR. BARTON: That's right. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We just keep chipping away 4 at it, don't we? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I tell you, we're making 6 headway now. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: You keep at them, Buster. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, all right. And then 9 is Mr. McCullough -- is that -- I don't remember the name 10 Jack, but seems like. 11 MR. BARTON: Brad. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That attorney. 13 MR. BARTON: He goes by Brad. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 15 MR. BARTON: And Brad is -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He's from Mississippi or 17 something like that? 18 MR. BARTON: Seven-year prosecutor. He's good. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then Theresa or Teresa. 20 MR. BARTON: Yeah. Theresa, yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is she in Kerrville? 22 MR. BARTON: She's a paralegal here in Kerrville. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So she's a paralegal. 24 Mrs. Causey is a -- 25 MR. BARTON: Secretary/receptionist. 7-29-09 bwk 42 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't know if you can use 2 words like that any more. I don't know. Secretary people -- 3 do we have secretaries nowadays? 4 MR. BARTON: It is what it is. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Or administrative 6 assistants. 7 MR. BARTON: She's a hand at the D.A.'s office. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very good. And so -- and 9 then Garvene, so there's three ladies there. Are any of 10 those prosecutors, or are they office-type folk? 11 MR. BARTON: Office. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Support staff. 13 MR. BARTON: That's -- yeah. I think that would be 14 a good way to -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right, thank you. You 16 have enough room for all those people over there? 17 MR. BARTON: Yeah. 18 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Little, bitty house, isn't 19 it? 20 MR. BARTON: You ought to come see us sometime. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there a place to walk? 22 MR. BARTON: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I think -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: I thought you may have been over 25 there; I wasn't sure. 7-29-09 bwk 43 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. No, they've always run 2 my stuff through the 216th. (Laughter.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other questions for 4 Mr. Barton? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I just want to make 6 one comment. I think the Judge -- I think I heard him say -- 7 and I learned Monday not to say anything ugly about lawyers 8 in this room. But I think I heard him say that -- that 9 there's a possibility we may not be through with this. We 10 may go back and -- 11 JUDGE TINLEY: We just got it. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand. I understand, 13 but there may be -- I want to say to him, there's a 14 possibility that there may be some whacking going on before 15 it's over. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, and I'm also -- as I 17 indicated to him, I'm interested in the reaction of the other 18 counties -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, absolutely. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: -- to this revised document. And 21 I'm sure he is. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He told us about Menard. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And even though this isn't 24 really a revised budget, it's kind of like a -- you're going 25 to insert these new numbers? 'Cause you're the one that 7-29-09 bwk 44 1 makes the budget. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm -- I'm probably going to be 3 looking at these numbers, as opposed to that first set of 4 numbers. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: And I think Mr. Barton knows that. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. All right. Just wanted 8 to make sure I understood where we're going. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Looking at the right group of 10 numbers? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Kind of confusing. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other comments, thoughts you'd 13 like to leave with us? 14 MR. BARTON: I appreciate you guys, and if there's 15 any questions, I'm -- I'm always around. I think everybody's 16 got my mobile number. Call me. I want to keep -- keep the 17 same level of services. I know that everybody's got to kind 18 of tighten their belt, so I understand, and thank you. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Appreciate it. We've got the 216th 22 District Attorney, and that just came upon the scene, again, 23 recently. I'm not sure we're -- how good a position we're 24 in. Is Mr. Curry here? Anyone from Mr. Curry's office? 25 Anyone authorized to speak on behalf of Mr. Curry? 7-29-09 bwk 45 1 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I'll do it. (Laughter.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: If you're going to represent you're 3 authorized to, you're free to do that. 4 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I was just offering. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: What's the Court's pleasure? I note 6 that there's one -- one significant addition that kind of 7 came as a surprise to me, was the part-time Assistant D.A. 8 that had not previously been included, to my knowledge. 9 MS. HARGIS: That happened on Monday afternoon. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That would be fairly recent, 11 I think, yeah. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Now -- 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Now, bear in mind that we are paying 14 from the 216th D.A. budget, and it is not shared by other 15 counties, a special prosecutor for that rapid docket, and 16 that's the contract labor that you see at the bottom of that 17 document, which increases our contribution by $50,000. So, I 18 just wanted to point that out. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, special prosecutor to 20 empty that jail out. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And that's a good thing. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'd say that's money well 24 spent. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a good thing. I see 7-29-09 bwk 46 1 what you're saying. You talking about that -- the 50 grand 2 contract prosecutor, so we can actually see -- let's say that 3 I was a D.A., and I came along and I wanted this little guy 4 to go and work in another courtroom, as an example. I don't 5 think that we'd be able to pay him out of this fund, because 6 it looks like to me it's earmarked to the jail. 7 MS. HARGIS: That's correct, yes. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: It is. 9 MS. HARGIS: There is a contract. There is a 10 contract with the attorney that is at the jail, and that 11 contract is only for this purpose. So, if they used him in 12 another court, they would have to pay that out of the other 13 fees. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: From the other fees. 15 MS. HARGIS: And the $25,000 -- and I'm just -- 16 from what Mr. Curry told me on Monday, is to assist him in 17 clearing some of the dockets, and an attorney that would go 18 around to each county, to be shared by each county, to help 19 to move the dockets along as well, because he doesn't have 20 enough staff for that. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Dockets in other counties other than 22 Kerr? Or including Kerr? 23 MS. HARGIS: Including Kerr. They would spend one 24 day a week in each -- each county, to be in the courtroom to 25 help with -- and I'm not -- you know, I'm not versed enough 7-29-09 bwk 47 1 on what they do. But that's what he wants to do. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 3 MS. HARGIS: Because he said they have -- they're 4 moving so fast now and at such a rapid pace that they're 5 having a hard time getting their evidence and so forth ready 6 with the staff that he has. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 MS. HARGIS: But this is also contract labor. He 9 does not want it to be an employee. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner -- and let me 11 interject, and I think I would be remiss if I did not point 12 out that some consideration, I think, needs to be given that 13 Kathy Banik, our court reporter, is handling those 14 proceedings, and so she's making a significant contribution 15 to that rapid docket effort to facilitate reducing that jail 16 population and the expense that goes with operating a jail 17 and enlarging the jail. And, number one, I think not a whole 18 lot of folks know that, and they need to be aware of it and 19 she needs to be recognized for that. And, number two, we 20 need to think about seeing that she's provided some 21 additional compensation for doing that. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with that 23 500 percent. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Because without her, that whole 25 program wouldn't work. I was initially told that, "Oh, gosh, 7-29-09 bwk 48 1 we can just use a tape recorder out there." Well, that 2 sounds real easy, but when you're doing felony -- felony 3 criminal proceedings, sometimes the appellate courts don't -- 4 don't look real kindly upon something other than a verbatim 5 transcript by a certified shorthand reporter that they're 6 used to seeing. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I agree. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I just wanted to throw that out. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'd certainly -- 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Judge, would that be a 11 salary supplement attributable to the 216th budget in the 12 same category, or would that be the line item where 13 Ms. Banik's salary traditionally comes? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: We might -- excuse me. We may want 15 to look at allocating that out of special court reporter in 16 the -- of the district court budgets. That would certainly 17 seem to be a place where -- where it might be appropriate. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me finish my line of 19 questioning, and then that may -- may answer some of this 20 stuff. So, we have the -- the special prosecutor basically 21 set aside, the contract, his money set in a certain place. 22 Why don't we do the same thing with the visiting judge out 23 there? You have visiting judge, "X" amount of dollars, but 24 for jail only. So that, I mean, is -- I can see -- I can see 25 where Judge Sherrill serves at the jail, and I don't know if 7-29-09 bwk 49 1 he serves in the courthouse any more or not; I don't -- I 2 don't know. I don't ever see him any more. But if he did, 3 are we having -- are we pretty accurate on how we're tracking 4 where he is? And I guess my point is, I personally would 5 like to have a really good handle on what this jail thing is 6 costing us. You know what I'm saying? I mean, we're -- 7 we're doing -- a jail builder type guy called me yesterday 8 while you were sitting in my office, and I told him what was 9 going on here, and he didn't like to hear that at all. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: He wanted to sell us a jail. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, he wanted to sell us a 12 jail. He said, "Oh, my god, Buster, don't tell anybody else 13 about this." You know, the thing is working great. But I -- 14 I think it would be wise for us to be able to see there are 15 expenses to this thing. And, you know, to have -- have "X" 16 amount of dollars for that special judge earmarked for jail 17 only, like we do the -- the prosecutor, and possibly court 18 reporter. So, I could see us maybe even setting up a 19 separate budget line, two or three lines, four lines, 20 whatever. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Just for that activity. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Just for that activity. 23 Just to -- I mean, I know they track them, and I understand 24 that, but sometimes it gets a little cloudy for me to be able 25 to see that kind of stuff. 7-29-09 bwk 50 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, but it would -- it would be 2 particularly telling if you want to allocate those costs 3 properly. You know, the way that it's set up in each of the 4 district courts now, there's a -- there's an allocation for a 5 special district judge, and -- and theoretically, at least, 6 those caseloads are going to be balanced, so an amount is 7 taken somewhat equally. However, there could be other 8 functions that those judges perform on civil cases, other 9 criminal cases, outside of this rapid -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: -- docket, instant filing or 12 whatever -- whatever else they call it. So, it might be well 13 to go ahead and create a separate budget for that. Like you 14 say, we're doing it for the prosecutor. We can charge the 15 costs separately for the -- for the judge that's handling it, 16 for the court reporter, and any other significant expenses. 17 I don't know that we ought to -- we ought to allocate pencils 18 and postage stamps, but -- but I think your point's 19 well-taken. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, thank you. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: I think we can get Ms. Hargis to 22 break that out and set it up that way. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Good point. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. 7-29-09 bwk 51 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on the 216th D.A. 2 budget that we just received? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: When are we going to go over 4 it? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Huh? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We just did it? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: That's my thinking. You know, I 8 don't want to spend the time studying it right here with all 9 these other folks waiting on their work to be -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, sure. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: -- taken up. Did you have any 12 comments about the 216th D.A. budget, Ms. Hargis? Okay, 13 let's move on, then, to the Tax Assessor. That's going to 14 be -- 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Tax Assessor. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: It's going to be 499. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 499. Page 48. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Looks like I reduced your postage by 19 about $2,500. Other than that -- and that, again, was based 20 upon historical use. You don't have a -- well, of course, 21 voter registration mailout would be over in the Election 22 Services budget, right? 23 (Ms. Bolin nodded.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. So, I base that on your -- 25 off your historical use. 7-29-09 bwk 52 1 MS. BOLIN: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It appears software -- computer 3 software maintenance went down a lot, just because of the -- 4 MS. HARGIS: We moved software maintenance out of 5 everybody's budget into the I.T. budget. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. Why is there 7,000 left 7 in software maintenance? 8 MS. BOLIN: The 7,000 is because they are now 9 charging us to do -- to import the certified roll, certified 10 tax rolls. I used to do that. Last year they stopped it, 11 and now if we don't let them do it, then they charge us 12 hourly for any questions or any problems that we have. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, that software maintenance 14 is a -- 15 MS. BOLIN: It's a one-time-a-year thing, and it's 16 specifically for importing our certified roll. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 18 MS. HARGIS: And we decided that we would leave 19 that in here. 20 MS. BOLIN: Yeah. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: I believe Ms. Hargis indicated that 22 in all of the jurisdictions that she had contacted, they all 23 utilize this service rather than the alternative that 24 Ms. Bolin mentioned of trying to do it themselves, and when 25 they ran into problems, getting a walk-through. 7-29-09 bwk 53 1 MS. BOLIN: Right. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Plus it saves a tremendous amount of 3 time. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That goes to the Appraisal 5 District? 6 MS. BOLIN: No, that goes to Tyler Technologies. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, okay. 8 MS. BOLIN: We receive our certified roll from the 9 Appraisal District, and then it has to be imported into our 10 system or converted. 11 MS. HARGIS: A lot of technical things go on when 12 you go from one software system to another, and that's the 13 problem. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was just confused. When we 15 were saying "imported," I couldn't figure it out why it 16 wasn't in Appraisal District budget. 17 MS. HARGIS: They give us a file or a C.D. or 18 whatever. Then we have to import it, and it can get 19 distorted, and we don't have the personnel that knows how 20 to -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other -- 22 MS. HARGIS: -- fix it. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: -- questions, concerns, thoughts 24 that you want to voice? 25 MS. BOLIN: That's pretty much it. 7-29-09 bwk 54 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody on the Court have anything? 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, I want to ask about the 3 employee training. 4 MS. BOLIN: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Is this annual training some 6 new thing? What -- do they ever get trained up where they 7 don't have to be trained any more? 8 MS. BOLIN: Yes. Right now, I've got four going to 9 school to be certified with the state, and this next year, 10 this 13,000, this should be the last year for it. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, next year we should see a 12 reduction? 13 MS. BOLIN: You should see a big reduction, yes, 14 sir. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: You know that Commissioner Oehler 16 has the memory of an elephant, and he's going to remember 17 that. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I will remember, I promise 19 you. 20 MS. BOLIN: That's fine. I appreciate the chance 21 to -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Don't remember what happened 23 five minutes ago, but I can remember -- 24 MS. BOLIN: You can remember what happened last 25 year. (Laughter.) 7-29-09 bwk 55 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How many people -- speaking 3 of that, how many people in your shop are required to have 4 certification? 5 MS. BOLIN: The only one that's required is me. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, you -- 7 MS. BOLIN: The reason -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- you go and get your 9 units -- 10 MS. BOLIN: Correct. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- required. What, 25 hours 12 or something? 13 MS. BOLIN: Actually, I think it's, like, 60. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Six-zero? 15 MS. BOLIN: Mm-hmm. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, you do that once a year; 17 you have to go to several different functions to get that 60. 18 MS. BOLIN: Correct. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But you -- next year, you 20 have to renew and get those 60 hours all over again. 21 MS. BOLIN: Right. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, that is a continual 23 thing, but you're the only one. 24 MS. BOLIN: I'm the only one that is required by 25 law. 7-29-09 bwk 56 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But, by choice, there are -- 2 you have staff that goes and does that? 3 MS. BOLIN: I do, because it helps them to 4 understand their job more and to be able to help the public. 5 Instead of a constant in and out -- I have a revolving door 6 with people coming and asking me questions. With them going 7 to school, that has slowed way down. They have more of an 8 understanding, so they can help the taxpayers. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. Okay, thank you. 10 MS. BOLIN: Thank you. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? Thank you, ma'am. 12 MS. HARGIS: Do you want to do her other 13 department? 14 MS. BOLIN: Do you want to go 402? 15 MS. HARGIS: Want to do her other department, or 16 defer the Elections, which is 402? 17 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Sure. 18 MS. BOLIN: Do you want to do that another day? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: I haven't waded through those yet. 20 MS. HARGIS: Okay, we'll do it another day. 21 MS. BOLIN: That works. Thank you. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Next one we have is Juvenile 23 Detention. That's -- looks like -- 24 MS. HARGIS: It's Fund 76. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, 76-572. That's way on towards 7-29-09 bwk 57 1 the back. 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 572. I don't see it. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's on Page 197. Depends on 4 what you're looking at. The report is on Page 197. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Kevin, I only made two adjustments 6 in your budget, and in both of them, I increased. 7 MR. STANTON: Okey-dokey. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: And I did that because I projected 9 historical use, your food budget and your resident medical. 10 MR. STANTON: Okay. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I increased your food budget from 24 12 to 27,5, and your medical from 65 to 75. 13 MR. STANTON: Okay. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Because I -- 15 MR. STANTON: Just so, I mean, the Court knows that 16 the medical budget -- the medical is all reimbursed. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: That's right. 18 MR. STANTON: It's all -- 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Except from Kerr County, of course. 20 MR. STANTON: Well -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it is too. It comes via 22 Juvenile Probation. 23 MR. STANTON: Yes, sir. So, all that -- anything 24 that's in the medical budget is reimbursed to the county, 25 yes, sir. 7-29-09 bwk 58 1 JUDGE TINLEY: I've had a discussion going with 2 Ms. Hargis of how far over projected revenues you're going to 3 be this year. Do you have a guess you want to make? 4 MR. STANTON: I'm guessing about 119,000, is my 5 guess. Right now we're 29,000 over, and we have three months 6 to go. And, I mean, we've averaged $44,000 a month billables 7 each month. July and August have typically been our slower 8 months, but, like, last year we were at 18,000 billables for 9 July, and I checked it this morning; we're at 30 -- already 10 at 30,000 for July. And, I mean, we haven't -- I mean, the 11 month's not over yet. So, if we -- if we average 30,000 for 12 the next three months, we'll be right at $119,000 over. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: That's within the window. I'm -- 14 I'm on the low end of the window; she's on the high end, and 15 we'll see where it comes out. Collections are okay? 16 MR. STANTON: Yes, sir. We -- in fact, right now 17 we only have $5,940 outstanding -- 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Sweet. 19 MR. STANTON: -- that hasn't been collected yet. 20 So -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Kevin, my question -- and I 22 can't seem to get to you here. Uh-oh, maybe. The issue of 23 you -- when you send a -- they're not patients, they're not 24 children. What are they? 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Residents. 7-29-09 bwk 59 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Residents. When you send a 2 resident to another facility for some kind of special 3 treatment, -- 4 MR. STANTON: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- how are you doing with 6 that? How -- as far as money is concerned? 7 MR. STANTON: Well, we don't -- we don't do that. 8 I mean, we -- the only thing that we have involved in that 9 situation is we assist the probation departments in achieving 10 dental and physicals and psychological assessments for their 11 kids. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, they send them. They 13 send them, forgive me. I'm sorry. Of course that's true. 14 MR. STANTON: And we do help Kerr County in 15 transports, in transporting kids to and from facilities. But 16 other than that, we don't have anything to do with it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, and I understand that. 18 I apologize for asking you that. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Kevin, is your food 20 budget -- sorry, Buster. Were you finished? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Your food budget, is that 23 predicated on a full house? 24 MR. STANTON: It's predicated on an average of what 25 we've -- it's predicated on what we've averaged so far this 7-29-09 bwk 60 1 year. What I did was took the total amount with -- so far 2 this year, our average food budget -- well, for the last 3 three years -- I'm sorry, the last three years, our average 4 food budget's been $23,972. This year, we're at 43 -- almost 5 44 percent over what we projected or what we were last year, 6 so I increased it a little bit. But, I mean, you know, it's 7 about 20 -- I projected about $24,000. It might be a little 8 more than that. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Projected -- projected year-end, 10 based upon current year, is a little over 27,000, so that's 11 the reason I plugged in 27,5. 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Okay. That's the reason I 13 asked. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: So, it -- because the census is up, 15 of course. 16 MS. HARGIS: 30 percent over. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? 18 MR. STANTON: No, sir. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other thoughts, ideas, concerns 20 you have? 21 MR. STANTON: No, sir, not that I can think of. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other member of the Court have 23 any questions? 24 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Looks okay to me. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Why don't we take about a 15-minute 7-29-09 bwk 61 1 break. 2 (Recess taken from 10:25 a.m. to 10:45 a.m.) 3 - - - - - - - - - - 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's come back to order. 5 Next item we got is our Facilities and Maintenance. We've 6 got a number of them. The first one, I think, is 510. 7 There's been some jockeying around that went on with that 8 one. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What page is that? 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's talk about uniforms for a 11 minute. 12 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I had messed with that. With the 14 new employee coming on, do we need to restore that to 8,000? 15 Or is 7,000 going to be enough? 16 MR. BOLLIER: Maria and I was talking. I believe 17 we need to restore that back to 8,000. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Then we come down over under 19 -- looks like vehicle maintenance. 20 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. I believe all of that -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: No, repairs and maintenance. 22 MR. BOLLIER: 450. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. That had come in at 40,000. 24 I reduced it to 20, based upon some historical. And, you 25 know, maybe it can be reduced even a little bit more. 7-29-09 bwk 62 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 'Cause he has some new 2 vehicles. 3 MS. HARGIS: Well, that's the elevator and some of 4 that. We've had some problems with that elevator, so -- it's 5 broken several times in the last couple months. 6 MR. BOLLIER: The elevator's fine. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Are we going to be okay there 8 with 20, or can we do less? Or do we need to do a little 9 more under repairs and maintenance? 10 MR. BOLLIER: Let's just leave it at 20. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 12 MR. BOLLIER: I'd appreciate that. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: And then towards the bottom, 14 contract fees, there was an entry under the following -- 15 under 569, operating equipment. That needed to be -- 16 MR. BOLLIER: That needed -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: -- under contract fees, didn't it? 18 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: And those are the two outstanding 20 custodial contracts that we have? 21 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 23 MR. BOLLIER: And then we can go back up to 461, 24 the lease copier. We can reduce that down to 300. We've got 25 800 there; we can reduce that to 300. 7-29-09 bwk 63 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. You getting these, Tess? You 2 got them? Okay. Did we get the contract fees, 14,520? 3 MS. MABRY: I will be getting it. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Huh? 5 MS. MABRY: I will be getting it in just a second. 6 14,520? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: What do we need to do on operating 8 equipment, since we've got the wrong entry there, Tim? 9 MR. BOLLIER: Well, I had -- originally, I had 55 10 in there, Judge. We have, like, a -- in 510, we would like 11 to purchase some vacuum cleaners and stuff out of that. 12 That's where our small stuff comes out of. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: So, the 55 should have been under 14 569 and not under 570? 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 17 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I had -- I had a question mark 19 there. Are you going to need the 5,500 there, or can we get 20 by on something less? 21 MR. BOLLIER: You can reduce that, Judge. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: My thought was 3,500. But if we're 23 going to end up in the ditch, why -- 24 MR. BOLLIER: I think we can reduce that to 3,500. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 7-29-09 bwk 64 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What line? 2 JUDGE TINLEY: 569. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Goes to 3,500. 4 MR. BOLLIER: Because that -- yes, sir. Yes, sir, 5 that's what we have. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The capital outlay comes out? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Capital outlay will come out and go 8 on the other issue. Anything else with regard to the 510? 9 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Any member of the Court have 11 anything with regard to 510? Okay. And, let's see. We go 12 from there to where, jail maintenance? 13 MR. BOLLIER: 511. You reduced -- we only had one 14 item there that you reduced in 511, was 350, maintenance and 15 custodial supplies. We reduced that from 7,5 to five grand 16 -- to five. Can we put a little more in there besides that 17 five? Maybe six? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Do you think you can handle it with 19 six? 20 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else with that 22 particular budget? 23 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, that should be it. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other comments or questions with 25 regard to that? You had some -- on your rotating A/C 7-29-09 bwk 65 1 replacement out there, you had 50,000 in there. That'll go 2 over to the capital side. 3 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, that's capital outlay. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other thoughts or 5 comments with regard to that budget? 6 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody on the Court have any 8 questions or concerns? Okay. Then let's go back to -- we've 9 got a building maintenance budget. 10 MS. HARGIS: 513. 11 MR. BOLLIER: 513, sir. 12 MS. HARGIS: Page 58. 13 MR. BOLLIER: Only thing in 513 that we cut was 14 400, the trash -- 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Was what? 16 MR. BOLLIER: The trash service. We went from -- 17 it was originally at 45, and I had taken it to five, and we 18 cut it back to three. Because I believe that we were only 19 going to use something like 2,571 at the end of the year. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This shows 3,500. 21 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 22 MS. HARGIS: It shows 35. 23 MR. BOLLIER: My fault. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Where are we on that? You reduced 25 five to 35? 7-29-09 bwk 66 1 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Are we going three on that? 3 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, let's leave it at 35. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Then on the line above that, 5 fuel, oil, and maintenance, you had six. I reduced it to 6 four. 7 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that doable? 9 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, we'll make that work. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Could you make something less 11 work, or do you think you need to sit there for now? 12 MR. BOLLIER: I think we better set it there for 13 now. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. Then we're going to go 15 down to building repairs, and you had 80 there. I brought 16 that down to 60, and that's -- 17 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: -- based on historical use. But I 19 don't know what you got in mind. I can see what you've noted 20 down here, but I don't see -- I don't see that even 21 approaching 60. 22 MR. BOLLIER: We'll make 60 work, Judge. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Too easy. 24 MR. BOLLIER: Do what? 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Knock it down to 50. 7-29-09 bwk 67 1 MR. BOLLIER: I would appreciate it if we'd leave 2 it at 60, Judge, please. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What -- I mean, on that 4 building maintenance -- or building repairs, I guess, is what 5 it is, -- 6 MR. BOLLIER: Out of -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- what big items are coming 8 up? You mentioned the sign and the -- some things, but -- 9 MR. BOLLIER: Out of 450, 513, what comes out of 10 there, building repairs is -- comes from Juvenile Detention, 11 comes -- and most of it I take out for the courthouse, too. 12 Any entity that -- or any Kerr County maintained building 13 comes out of 513 except for -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jail. 15 MR. BOLLIER: -- the jail and the Ag Barn. 16 Everything else comes out of 513. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on that particular 19 budget? 20 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody on the Court have anything 22 to offer with regard to that one? 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: What front sign are you 24 talking about here? 25 MR. BOLLIER: The signage -- in the park? 7-29-09 bwk 68 1 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You're talking about the 2 signage in the park? 3 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. We're going to move the -- 4 you know, the one in the front to the back and put a new one 5 in the front. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's all about you. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I understand. Gets boring, 8 doesn't it? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Then we go out to -- 10 MR. BOLLIER: 666, sir. 11 MS. HARGIS: Should be Page 93. Is that right, 12 Buster? 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 666? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 93, yes. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: 93? 16 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm the one that knows this 18 stuff. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 MR. BOLLIER: We reduced -- you reduced the 21 overtime from five to two. Which, if we get our new 22 employee, that'll be really good. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tim, what if you don't get a 24 new employee? What happens with this overtime? 25 MR. BOLLIER: Then I would like to put the overtime 7-29-09 bwk 69 1 back in there. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You better get to talking 3 with him about that. 4 MR. BOLLIER: If we don't get the new employee, 5 yes, I would like to put some more overtime back in there. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I understand the basis for the 7 reduction of your -- of the overtime is predicated on new 8 help. I don't know where you came up with $4,000 worth of 9 postage. 10 MR. BOLLIER: I don't know where that came from, 11 Judge, but there's no way. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Must have hit an extra zero. 13 MR. BOLLIER: Or something. I believe you put 150 14 in there, didn't you, sir? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: No, I gave you 300, but I can sure 16 go down to 150, and let's do that. 17 MR. BOLLIER: Oh, no, you did -- you're fine. 18 (Laughter.) I've got -- I'm juggling between -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jody? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: 150, okay. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's the revenue out there? 22 Do you remember, offhand? 23 MS. GRINSTEAD: Not off the top of my head. I can 24 go look. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Projected, I think, is going 7-29-09 bwk 70 1 to be somewhere around 50 out there. 2 MS. HARGIS: Hang on a second. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Don't you think? 48 to 50. 4 MS. GRINSTEAD: Probably. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Better than it used to be. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Mm-hmm. It's certainly not 7 covering it, but it's covering -- 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Right. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 40 percent of it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Next item was your telephone. I was 11 having a hard time figuring out how you came up with 6,500. 12 Did you ever figure that out? 13 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. I -- 'cause I'm going to 14 tell you the truth, I never put anything in there. I don't 15 know where the 6,500 came from. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well, I'm looking at the 17 historical use, and projected year-end is 27-plus, so I 18 reduced that to three. And then we come down to building and 19 grounds maintenance. 20 MS. HARGIS: Judge, if I can answer the question on 21 revenues, about 35,000 between the church and the exhibit 22 center. 23 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Historically -- in fact, 25 I reduced it from 35 to 28. 28 may be too high. Looks like 7-29-09 bwk 71 1 you may be closer to 24, 25. How about we cut that to 25? 2 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 3 MS. HARGIS: Telephone? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, the building and grounds 5 maintenance. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: And now we're finally down to 7 vehicle maintenance. 8 MR. BOLLIER: I don't know. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't know where you came up with 10 that number. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Must have been 2,500; he was 12 zero-happy that day. 13 MR. BOLLIER: I believe you've got 3,500 in there 14 now. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. Well, you've got an 16 additional vehicle since -- 17 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: -- since the last budget was 19 written. 20 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: So I plugged in 35 there. Equipment 22 repairs, 2,500. I guess my question is, you acquired some 23 new equipment in the last year or so. You're looking at some 24 on the horizon that's going to -- hopefully won't be in 25 repairs, or if there's repairs, they're under warranty. But 7-29-09 bwk 72 1 is 2,500 going to be enough? 2 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, that should be plenty. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 MR. BOLLIER: That should be plenty. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Then under operating 6 equipment, based upon historical use of almost $3,000, I 7 increased that from 2,000 to 3,000. 8 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Major repairs. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, that's major repair. 11 MR. BOLLIER: Yeah, major repair. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Operating equipment is the 13 next line. You increased it 500. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay, yeah. Both of those 15 based upon historical use or projected. It's projected 16 you're going to have almost $7,500 worth of operating 17 equipment this year. Of course, maybe you're loading up this 18 year and -- and you're not going to have as much need this 19 coming year. Tell me where you are there. 20 MR. BOLLIER: In operating equipment, that's -- 21 that's where we buy our lawnmowers, weedeaters and stuff out 22 of, and then Adult Probation helps us out in that department 23 too. So, I -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: You don't need that increase? 25 MR. BOLLIER: I really don't need that increase. 7-29-09 bwk 73 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Can we -- can we reduce that 2 5,500 some? 3 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, we can -- we can probably 4 go down to about 45. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. 6 MR. BOLLIER: And then I want to go back up to -- I 7 would like to go back up to supplies in 350. I see a zero 8 there -- or I see -- 9 MS. HARGIS: 750. 10 MR. BOLLIER: -- 750 there. There needs to be more 11 than that in there, sir. That's where all our cleaning 12 supplies comes from. That's where our trash -- our trash 13 liners come from. That's -- that Maria has put down here, 14 'cause we talked about that this morning. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Did y'all run that number? 16 MR. BOLLIER: 10,000 is what she wants in there. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: That was Maria's request? 18 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. And you know how I am. It 19 better go in there, or I'm going to hear about it. 20 JUDGE RAGSDALE: What are we going to do with 21 Maria? (Laughter.) 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Last year looks like 75. If 23 you're going to go up 33 percent in one year -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, prior year it was 9,800 spent. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, that's true. Year 7-29-09 bwk 74 1 before that was 69. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The note says, "Increase due 3 to increase in various chemical and plastic supplies." 4 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 6 MS. MABRY: How much? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: 10,000. 8 MR. BOLLIER: 10,000. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else, Tim? 10 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, I'm good there. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anybody on the Court have 12 anything with Tim on any of his -- this one or anything else? 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: No. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the end of them, isn't it, 16 Tim? 17 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's pretty easy. 20 MR. BOLLIER: Thank you, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You're welcome. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Now we go to J.P.'s. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: J.P. 1, 2, 3, 4. 24 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm going to make this so easy. I 7-29-09 bwk 75 1 don't show that I made any adjustment in any of those 2 budgets. I did have a notation on J.P. 4, the amount we've 3 got in for office rent is the correct amount as per the 4 lease. Is that correct? 5 JUDGE RAGSDALE: You know, you guys -- I never talk 6 to anybody about the lease. Y'all always handle that. I've 7 never -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Hargis, we'll need to check that 9 lease, and whatever the lease provides, that's what we need 10 to plug in. I know we renegotiated that lease, I think, a 11 couple of years ago, and there may have been some escalators. 12 In fact, it shows 9,000, projected year-end of 10,8, and so 13 we may have to -- I just want to verify that so we don't end 14 up with a problem there. 15 MS. HARGIS: I ended up with the constables instead 16 of the J.P.'s. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: The other issue that has been 18 mentioned to me is the conference training fees have 19 increased as a result of some recent actions taken by the 20 association. That would necessitate some increase in the 21 conference line item. 22 JUDGE WRIGHT: Be 150 per office, $75 each office 23 -- I mean each employee. 24 JUDGE BILLEITER: I thought it was going to 100. 25 JUDGE WRIGHT: Going to 100. 7-29-09 bwk 76 1 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Well, then you've got -- the 2 mileage has gone up, too. 3 JUDGE BILLEITER: Yeah. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: How about we increase each of 5 those -- well, $300. 6 JUDGE WRIGHT: No, 150 per office. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, if we increase it by three, 8 we're going to account for the mileage, too. 9 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Somewhat, yes. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. On the conferences, increase 11 each of those by 300. That will handle it? 12 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I hope so. I think so. 13 JUDGE WRIGHT: I think we're all going down to the 14 legislative update school and coming back the same day. Just 15 going to have to leave about 5 o'clock in the morning, 16 because we don't -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Who's got the biggest vehicle? 18 JUDGE BILLEITER: I'm not sure whose vehicle we're 19 going to use. I hope I don't have to drive in San Antonio. 20 We may not get there. (Laughter.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: He took himself out of the mix, 22 didn't he? 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sounds like Park and Ride's 24 in order. 25 JUDGE BILLEITER: Yeah, I think that's a good idea. 7-29-09 bwk 77 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 2 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Don't give Tinley any ideas. 3 We're going to be going Greyhound to Tyler. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm going to put -- I'm going to put 5 you on the -- on the V.A. bus that goes down every day. 6 (Laughter.) 7 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Just supply the wheelchair. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: You can ride on the ART 9 buses. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: If we make an appointment, we can 11 get you on the Alamo Area Transit -- 12 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Don't even -- 13 JUDGE TINLEY: They go to San Antonio. 14 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Yeah. They'll even pick 15 you up. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Bill will get you a schedule. 17 JUDGE BILLEITER: They leave that early in the 18 morning? We're leaving at 5:00, right? 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: May have to use your thumb 20 getting back, but they'll get you there. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Other than increasing each one of 22 those conference budgets by 300 -- 23 MS. HARGIS: More than they are now? 24 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Yes. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm, yeah. 7-29-09 bwk 78 1 JUDGE BILLEITER: Judge, I only had one item where 2 I'm in trouble, as a result of the telephone billing, and it 3 changed quite drastically for my office. I had a $250 4 budget, and then -- and we were paying -- Jeannie, we were 5 paying what, $7 or $8 a month, and all of a sudden, we went 6 to $35 to $40 a month as a result of the new billing. So, we 7 -- I do not have enough in there for telephone. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: So, you'll need to increase your 250 9 to five, then, if it's about $40 a month. That will get you 10 480. 11 JUDGE BILLEITER: Well, at least I'm going to ask 12 for a cell phone this next year, too, so I was -- I'm 13 thinking more in line of $600. Because I've been using my 14 personal cell phone; I'm going to get a county phone. But I 15 won't do that until -- until October, 'cause I'm out of money 16 as far as phone is concerned. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that where we put these 18 cell phones, in the individual phone line -- budget line? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: It gets allocated. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Or is it a separate -- 21 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Allocated. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: It gets allocated out of the master 23 contract, each department. And it's, like, $16 -- 24 MS. HARGIS: $16 or $17 per phone, and then -- and 25 then if they have minutes, they've allocated the minutes now, 7-29-09 bwk 79 1 which they didn't do before. So -- 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, that would be another 200; 3 you're exactly right. That would get you to 600. 4 JUDGE BILLEITER: I think Judge Mitchell has around 5 15 in her budget for phones. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: We'll just take it out of that. 7 JUDGE BILLEITER: That would be good. Hi, Kathy. 8 That's all I had, though, really, was just that. That's 9 where I need some -- do need some help there really bad. 10 JUDGE WRIGHT: Judge, I would like to revisit the 11 floating clerk issue. I've got truancy now from Tivy and 12 Center Point, and during the school year, there's little time 13 left over for my clerk to send out failure-to-appear letters, 14 to issue warrants. She's totally completely enveloped in 15 truancy cases and following up on that. If we could put a 16 floater in for all four, let them handle totally truancy 17 cases, the judges could still hear them, but have them do the 18 follow-up, and then fill in for us as part-time personnel. 19 If you -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I like the idea, but why 21 didn't we do that last year? 22 JUDGE WRIGHT: You dumped it on me, took it away 23 from Billeiter. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What? 25 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I think what happened last year is 7-29-09 bwk 80 1 that, if I recall correctly -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I'm -- I'm asking about 3 the -- 4 JUDGE WRIGHT: The part-time. 5 JUDGE RAGSDALE: What I recall happened was that -- 6 that it ended up being one employee that would be shared by 7 the District Clerk and the County Clerk and -- and the four 8 J.P. offices, and everybody just said forget it. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, okay. 10 JUDGE RAGSDALE: It wouldn't work. You can't split 11 somebody up that thin. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so you're talking now 13 today about a floater for J.P.'s only, right? 14 JUDGE WRIGHT: And they would completely handle all 15 the truancy cases, plus come into our offices as we need 16 them, when our clerk's on vacation or -- 17 JUDGE RAGSDALE: It would cut back a little bit on 18 part-time employees. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have you jumped on your 20 Commissioner about this truancy issue? 21 JUDGE WRIGHT: No. Would it do any good? I went 22 to -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 24 JUDGE WRIGHT: Tried to take them to municipal 25 court, and they wouldn't take them. Kerr County does not 7-29-09 bwk 81 1 glean one penny out of that. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Excuse me? 3 JUDGE WRIGHT: We don't glean a cent out of truancy 4 cases. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I know. 6 JUDGE WRIGHT: We get court costs, and that's it. 7 And if we could ever get a fine out of them, the school gets 8 half of it. It's a no-win situation. It's a necessity, but 9 it's just a -- and it's -- my revenue was down $3,000 last 10 month. 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: And you have two high 12 schools, right? Two schools? 13 JUDGE WRIGHT: Uh-huh. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Center Point. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Tivy and C.P. 16 JUDGE WRIGHT: Center Point, I don't have very much 17 Center Point. Tivy's got a bunch of -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Isn't Tivy in three? 19 JUDGE MITCHELL: I've got Peterson and B.T. Wilson, 20 and that's -- Peterson has a whole lot too, but I'm not 21 having a problem with mine. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How many do you have, Judge 24 Billeiter? 25 JUDGE BILLEITER: I don't have any any more. 7-29-09 bwk 82 1 (Laughter.) 2 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: I think you're the one that 3 caused this case to get all messed around, didn't you? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did you hear that? 5 JUDGE BILLEITER: No. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Suddenly it's your fault, 7 this whole thing. 8 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Well, he's the only one I 9 remember standing up there talking about it, and all of a 10 sudden, everybody else has got the truancies. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He carried them all, and 12 y'all decided to split them off -- 13 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We did that? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- in your precincts. 15 JUDGE BILLEITER: That was y'all's suggestion. 16 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Maybe I didn't count the 17 high schools before I made that vote. 18 JUDGE WRIGHT: You didn't have to do it twice. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can we go back to this floater 20 that you're talking about? Say that again. What's your 21 plan? 22 JUDGE WRIGHT: I'm sorry? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's your plan for a floating 24 employee? You want to add an employee? 25 JUDGE WRIGHT: Yes, a court clerk, primarily to 7-29-09 bwk 83 1 handle truancy. But we all need part-time help at any given 2 time, and we would schedule them among the four of us when 3 our clerks were off for vacation or sick, or see if we can 4 just -- or over -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would -- I think my 6 preference is -- I see that not working real well. I see 7 that having a situation where you have -- you know, unless 8 there's a set schedule that, you know, Mondays at J.P. 1, 9 Tuesdays, J.P. -- something like that, and for four days, and 10 then otherwise, it's going to be unequal where it's going. 11 I'd rather have part-time increased. I mean, if y'all need 12 the help, I'd rather go that route, rather than trying to 13 make a floater work, 'cause I just think that's a difficult 14 thing when you have one office at the jail, two in the 15 courthouse, and one somewhere way out west near the Pecos 16 River. (Laughter.) 17 MS. HARGIS: Not that far out. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know. I just never -- I only 19 see Judge Ragsdale twice a year. 20 JUDGE WRIGHT: I can tell you -- 21 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I'm trying to limit that. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Please work on that. 23 JUDGE WRIGHT: It's dropping because of that. I 24 don't -- we don't have time to get out the failure-to-appear 25 letters. That's not -- warrants are six months behind 7-29-09 bwk 84 1 because there's no time to do them, just because of the 2 truancy cases. We need some extra help in our office. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: If we're going to clerks, 4 part-time -- going to do part-time, you need to first figure 5 out where the workload actually is. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 7 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Giving that the greater weight. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You know, I mean, it seems to 9 me that it's -- and maybe I'm wrong on this; I don't know. 10 But -- 11 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: We'll find out. Go ahead 12 and say it; we'll find out. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Due to where I-10 goes, the 14 tickets are in 4 and 3, and -- just reality, primarily. 15 JUDGE MITCHELL: Not any more. And that's what I 16 was going to show y'all. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, anyway -- and that is 18 down. Doesn't -- as I recall, we divided up the truancy, so 19 Billeiter doesn't get any. (Laughter.) 20 JUDGE BILLEITER: I have Nimitz. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know, but -- but doesn't -- 22 don't you have to go to the hospital? Don't you have the 23 hospital? 24 JUDGE BILLEITER: Quite a lot. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, I mean, it's kind of -- 7-29-09 bwk 85 1 that stuff all kind of balances out, from what I can see. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner, I'm going to do like 3 Judge Billeiter, I think. I'm going to sit down and shut up. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, me too. 5 JUDGE BILLEITER: I'm sorry, I didn't hear what you 6 said. Maybe I don't want to. 7 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: He said you can sit down 8 and shut up. (Laughter.) The only one we haven't heard from 9 here is Judge Mitchell. She's just waiting to pop up and say 10 something. 11 JUDGE MITCHELL: Well, actually, everything's okay 12 with me as far as the -- the budget. I just -- there's been 13 lots of concern and lots of questions about how my revenue 14 has dropped, and the main concern is from me. So, therefore, 15 what I've done is -- I know you're saying, "Here goes another 16 report." But since our fiscal year starts in October, what 17 I've done is I've gone back from last year and started -- ran 18 a report from October to June of 2008, and then I went from 19 October of 2008 to June of 2009, through the end of this last 20 month. And I've put these two together so you can see what 21 I've been trying to explain to everyone. If you'll look, 22 they're put together and they're highlighted. At the top, it 23 shows you the dates. If you'll compare October 2007 to 24 June 2008 to October 2008 to June of this year, you'll see up 25 there, the first -- under criminal cases, traffic 7-29-09 bwk 86 1 misdemeanors, and you'll see new cases filed, and it shows 2 you there's 1,501. And then, if you go to this year's new 3 cases filed, you'll see 759. We're talking half the amount 4 of citations. If you look at the courts, in civil court 5 you'll see that they average out there pretty much the same. 6 I do have -- as Judge Wright pointed out, we do have failure 7 to attend now, so my court cases have increased in that 8 aspect. But the revenue, as you can see, as Commissioner 9 Letz pointed out, I-10, that's decreased. There can be 10 several reasons. I'm hoping the number one reason is that 11 everybody's obeying the law and not speeding. But if I had 12 to guess, I would say that it's the cable along I-10 that the 13 state has put up. There is not access for law enforcement to 14 turn around to be able to stop the speeders. So, I can only 15 guess, but -- 'cause you can see -- that's why I did the 16 report. You can see that the citations have fallen 17 approximately half, so that's why the revenue has decreased. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is it the same -- is it the 19 same in each J.P. office? 20 MR. AYALA: We don't have any I-10. 21 JUDGE WRIGHT: We don't have the interstate. 22 MR. AYALA: Out west, they don't have the cable, so 23 I'm not sure. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They got them all the way 25 through the county. It goes from county line to county line. 7-29-09 bwk 87 1 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, no, just the number. 3 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Plus the speed limit has been 4 increased to 80 miles an hour in a good portion of 10, and so 5 they just -- 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Has your numbers dropped 7 off? 8 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Oh, yeah, quite a bit. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Like this? 10 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I'm not sure what -- I don't 11 have -- 12 JUDGE WRIGHT: I don't know what mine are because 13 of the lack of time to follow up. We bird-dog everybody to 14 keep our revenue up, and she just hasn't been able to do 15 that. 16 JUDGE MITCHELL: See, that's the same. 17 JUDGE WRIGHT: It's -- 18 JUDGE MITCHELL: Also, my revenue is -- because 19 when I came into office, the last -- last year and the year 20 before and all that, it's always been high, but we were 21 collecting -- I've got a wonderful clerk that collects the 22 money. And we've gone back to 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, so 23 forth. We're caught up. We've collected what we can 24 collect. So, that's another reason why the revenue is not as 25 high as it was also, because we were also collecting from 7-29-09 bwk 88 1 years past. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. Precinct 4 revenues 3 are down considerably. I've been able to get his report, and 4 it's -- you know, it's $10,000 a month in the last couple of 5 months less than what it was before. 6 JUDGE MITCHELL: But I just wanted to give y'all 7 something to look at to see that that's why the revenue has 8 dropped. 9 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Another thing, too, that might 10 help. My understanding a couple years ago was that the 11 county collection department would be doing J.P. collections 12 also, and I have since discovered that's not true. So, we 13 really don't have -- as far as somebody to sit down and do 14 the skip tracing and calling and all that, we don't have 15 anybody to do that for J.P. courts. That might be something 16 that you guys want to look at. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We do have -- 18 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I know we have a collection 19 department. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What's the name of that 21 company that -- 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Perdue. 23 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Perdue and Brandon. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: All you have to do is give 25 them the stuff that you can't collect, and they'll collect 7-29-09 bwk 89 1 it. 2 JUDGE RAGSDALE: For J.P. courts? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes. 4 MS. HARGIS: Perdue Brandon. 5 JUDGE RAGSDALE: I'd understood it was everybody 6 but J.P. courts. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, I don't believe that's 8 true. I don't think y'all wanted it, from what I understood. 9 JUDGE MITCHELL: My office does it, but we've 10 called for -- asked for assistance on looking up something or 11 whatever, and they're willing to help. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They'll actually take over 13 and do it for you if you get to the point where you can't 14 collect some late stuff that's run its course. 15 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Also, one last thing, too. And in 16 my 108, the part-time salary, I think that was adjusted down. 17 Is that correct? 18 MS. HARGIS: No. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 3,000 requested, 3,000 20 recommended. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Maybe it should have been. 22 MS. HARGIS: No, it's been adjusted up this year, 23 not down. 24 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Okay. Well, 'cause I'm -- she's 25 going to need more surgery. 7-29-09 bwk 90 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's what you requested, but 2 your projected year-end is higher than what you requested. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But -- I mean, whatever -- I 4 mean, what it needs to be, it needs to be there. On that 5 overall issue, though I'm looking at -- 6 JUDGE TINLEY: It's transferred from the secretary 7 salary over to cover it. 8 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Yeah. 9 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, that's what we're doing, because 10 she's run out of sick leave, has she not? 11 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Well, but this is going to be a 12 new year. It's going to be a new year, so she'll accrue 13 some. 14 MS. HYDE: She accrues as she works. If she 15 doesn't work, she doesn't accrue, or she accrues prorated, 16 and so she's been out. 17 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Well, let's see how it works, 18 then. All right, nevermind. 19 MS. HARGIS: That's what I've been doing, is 20 pulling it off from the salary. 21 MS. HYDE: We're waiting on the next one. I need 22 to talk to you about it. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody on the Court have any 24 further issue with the J.P.'s? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Only comment I'll make is that 7-29-09 bwk 91 1 J.P. 2 is -- needs more part-time assistance. Hers is lower. 2 Why don't you make it 2,000? Raise it. 3 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: 2,000? 4 MS. HARGIS: Where are we at? 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Judge Wright? Will an 6 extra 2,000 help you in part-time? 7 JUDGE WRIGHT: Yeah, it would. 8 MS. HARGIS: If we made them all three, that would 9 equal them out, and then if one didn't use that much, we 10 can -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with that. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. All of them the same, 13 3,000? 14 MS. HARGIS: All of them the same. 15 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: That's fine. 16 MS. HARGIS: Three for all of them. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I'm curious about 19 these numbers going down, these traffic misdemeanors and 20 non-traffic misdemeanors. 21 MS. HARGIS: It's because of the cable. It is 22 because of the cable. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm curious -- well, are 24 they -- let me finish one sentence; then you can take it. 25 The non-traffic misdemeanors have gone down as well. That 7-29-09 bwk 92 1 doesn't have anything to do with the cable. Just -- 2 JUDGE WRIGHT: That's the P.I.'s. People are 3 staying sober, I guess. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are we having less 5 police-type work going on out there? 6 JUDGE WRIGHT: Which kind of work? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm talking to your 8 constable. 9 MR. AYALA: No. I mean, the traffic -- the 10 troopers don't want to work on the interstate any more, so 11 they -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Troopers don't want to work 13 on the interstate any more. 14 MR. AYALA: Or as much. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Where's the newspaper when 16 we need it? 17 JUDGE WRIGHT: Because of the cable. 18 MR. AYALA: Because of the cable. It's hard to 19 turn around, so they're working the back roads more. There's 20 less violators on the back roads. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, maybe that's -- 22 MS. HARGIS: Well -- 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Chapman's here. 24 MS. HARGIS: And in Precinct 3, if you look at the 25 history of Precinct 3, that's where most of the tickets have 7-29-09 bwk 93 1 always been, and -- because, you know, of where they fell. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Because of the interstate. 3 MS. HARGIS: So, we had to pull her down, and so we 4 have her budget more in line with the rest of them now. 5 Because that -- the history there has just always been that 6 that's where, you know, I-10 tickets went. And so, you know, 7 that's the section that they caught them in. But when I was 8 at my conference, all the counties that are along I-10 that 9 have the cable are recording less revenue, plus more 10 accidents, and not happy with the cable. In fact, one of the 11 auditors at Bexar County actually discussed it with the 12 D.P.S. officers and said, you know, "You're not writing 13 tickets. What are you doing?" And they just said, "We're 14 driving up and down." Because -- 15 JUDGE TINLEY: What? 16 MS. HARGIS: Driving up and down. Because they 17 can't turn around. And, so, if they're not -- you know. 18 JUDGE RAGSDALE: There's an opening probably every 19 2 or 3 miles. 20 MS. HARGIS: It's 3 miles. Eva's actually clocked 21 it. It's every 3 miles, so by the time they get to turn 22 around, the person is already gone. She's figured it out. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You must be bored when you're 24 driving. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Hyde, are you finding the last 7-29-09 bwk 94 1 opening and then you're getting on it for about 2 and a half 2 miles, and -- 3 MS. HYDE: I was -- we were talking about it, and 4 we were discussing -- because Rusty and I were saying that it 5 just seemed like they'd really changed it. So, the -- my 6 last trip to San Antonio, I started clocking it so I could 7 hit my speed -- I mean, my -- 8 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Uh-huh. 9 MS. HYDE: My thing. 10 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Radar detector. 11 MS. THOMPSON: Cruise control. 12 MS. HYDE: I was hitting my cruise control. It's 13 every 3 miles, and so you can, like, slow down half a mile 14 before and not worry about it. (Laughter.) Then you hit the 15 thing again. 16 JUDGE WRIGHT: I'm not hearing this. 17 MS. HYDE: And it works. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, people driving behind Eva 19 get really mad. You're going fast, then slow down when -- 20 MS. HYDE: That's what I'm saying. 'Cause if 21 you're driving it, you watch, and that's what it appears 22 people are doing. That they're using their speed -- you 23 know, their cruise control and they're going off on -- 'cause 24 it's right there by the opening, you know, so they're slowing 25 down. 7-29-09 bwk 95 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think about this stuff 2 near enough. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just don't -- if you just 4 drive the speed limit or slightly over, you do not have to 5 worry about it. 6 JUDGE WRIGHT: Gentlemen, we are all going -- we're 7 getting classes on Omni where Odyssey will transfer stuff to 8 Omni much simpler, and I look for that to increase our 9 revenue once that's in place. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, thank you. Let's go to the 11 constables. That's 551. 12 JUDGE RAGSDALE: Thank you. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Two minor adjustments that I 14 made in -- in Precinct 1, reduced the postage to 100 and the 15 supplies to 300, primarily based upon historical use. The 16 other major thing that I did was on fuel, and I did this to 17 all four budgets; I decreased it from 4,000 to 2,500, based 18 upon some calculations that I made. And, of course, any of 19 the capitals has moved off; there's several of them that had 20 radios in there. The only adjustment I made on 2 was the 21 fuel down to 2,500. On 3, I reduced fuel to 2,500, and 22 actually increased the vehicle insurance to 650, commensurate 23 with the others, since that seems to be the per-vehicle cost. 24 I was having a hard time figuring out how you were going to 25 spend $140,000 in postage this year, but I still haven't 7-29-09 bwk 96 1 figured out -- we'll leave that for another day. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 343.63. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. And then in 4, I decreased 4 the fuel, but I increased the repairs to 1,500, commensurate 5 with the others. And the equipment, what we -- that's 6 basically operating equipment. Our allowance there has been 7 1,500 pretty much uniformly. If there's a particular piece 8 of equipment that qualifies as a capital item, we need to 9 include that in the capital side. If there's something -- I 10 don't know -- you may have had a radio included. If that was 11 your thought, to include a radio -- some of them had capital 12 outlay for a radio we're working on for grants. Make sure 13 Ms. Hargis gets that information. But otherwise, the 14 equipment item is more for expendables; vests, flashlights, 15 batteries, you know, that sort of expendable stuff. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Bob, did you pay your own 17 insurance last year? 18 MR. TERRILL: Yes. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Thought you did. He has -- 20 you want it in the budget for this year for us to pay? 21 MR. TERRILL: No, sir, I don't. It's fine the way 22 it is. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just leave it at zero? 24 MR. TERRILL: Yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You can zero out his vehicle 7-29-09 bwk 97 1 insurance. He furnishes his own vehicle. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What we pay for is fuel and 4 maintenance, I think. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, we've had problems with Bob 6 taking money in the past. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, I know. Horrible 8 thing, isn't it? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Precinct 1, any thoughts? 10 MR. AYALA: He's not here. He's on vacation. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 12 MR. AYALA: I'm good with mine. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. You all right, Angel? 14 MR. GARZA: Yes, Your Honor and Commissioners. 15 Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question for you. 17 Do you foresee about when you're going to start talking about 18 new cars? 19 MR. AYALA: I have 80,000 miles on mine, and I 20 think John's right behind me on his. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What does that mean exactly? 22 MR. AYALA: Next year or two, probably. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Next year or two, we'll 24 start talking about it. 25 MR. AYALA: I think I'm going to hit -- I'm going 7-29-09 bwk 98 1 to be right at 90-something thousand next year. And when you 2 get over 100, you really take a break -- pretty good hit on 3 the trade-ins. Probably need to try to do something next 4 year. 5 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: How old is your vehicle? 6 MR. AYALA: It's an '03. It's an '03. 7 MS. HARGIS: We might want to think about including 8 that in the capital that we're doing. 9 MR. AYALA: Vehicles are still in really good 10 shape, but when you get over 100,000, they'll really dock you 11 for a trade-in. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 13 MR. AYALA: Unless you want to pass them down to -- 14 or sell them to another department, someone with smaller -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you consider your car a 16 high-speed chase vehicle? 17 MR. AYALA: It is. It's a high performance 18 vehicle, which we don't need. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You desire that? 20 MR. AYALA: No, I desire -- I would desire a pickup 21 like Environmental Health or Animal Control has for what we 22 do, personally. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think Precinct 1 is saying 24 basically the same thing. 25 MR. AYALA: We go to a lot of rough spots out in 7-29-09 bwk 99 1 the county where we can't even go in a car. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You don't need a -- you guys 3 are not in the high pursuit -- high-speed pursuit business. 4 MR. AYALA: I've done three. I've done three, but 5 I don't -- I mean, I've been in three -- involved in three, 6 but that's not something we do all the time. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I just hope we 8 continue talking about it so it -- let's don't -- don't get 9 run over like a mountain. You know, work through these 10 things. 11 MR. AYALA: I think all four -- three cars that we 12 bought are still in really good shape. They're well 13 maintained, haven't had any trouble with them. It's just a 14 mileage deal. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's the mileage on yours? 17 MR. GARZA: About 60,000. 18 MR. AYALA: And John's right behind me at 80. I 19 just rolled 80,000, so he's real close behind me. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about you, Bob? 21 MR. TERRILL: Car-wise? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Miles. 24 MR. TERRILL: Mileage? 83 -- 83,000 on mine. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He just replaced it, what, 7-29-09 bwk 100 1 last year? 2 MR. TERRILL: Yeah, it's an '06. I bought it used. 3 I bought it used, and it's an excellent vehicle, and very -- 4 very few problems with it. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: How many miles you got on you, 6 Buster? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: On me? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 10 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: A bunch. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't think we can talk 12 about that stuff in here. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. What else we got, gentlemen? 14 Anything else to handle this session? We invite all of you 15 to come to our meeting with the City this afternoon. I'm 16 sure you'll find it most enjoyable. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Popcorn. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: There will be refreshments served. 19 COMMISSIONER WILLIAMS: Bandages provided. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else, gentlemen? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That meeting's at 2 o'clock, 22 correct, sir? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. We'll be adjourned. 24 (Budget workshop was adjourned at 11:35 a.m.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 7-29-09 bwk 101 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 County Clerk of the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 21st day of August, 8 2009. 9 10 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 11 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 12 Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 7-29-09 bwk