1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Regular Session 10 Monday, January 10, 2011 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X January 10, 2011 2 PAGE --- Visitors Input 6 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 6 4 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on memorial resolution honoring former Kerr 5 County Commissioner William H. Williams, Precinct 2, for his outstanding leadership and 6 commitment to the citizens of Kerr County and Commissioners' Court 8 7 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 8 request from Marvin Willis for use of Flat Rock Lake on August 13, 2011, for annual River Parade -- 9 1.3 Presentation by Marvin Willis regarding the 10 Adopt The Spot program -- 11 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on reducing registration fee to $1 during Kerr 12 County Rabies Drive, February 5-19 13 13 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action authorizing development of plans and bid 14 specifications by Peter Lewis for Ingram Annex 14 15 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on approving contract extension with Al Groves to 16 complete grant with T.W.D.B. for Center Point/ Eastern Kerr County Wastewater Project 17 17 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 18 authorize Tetra Tech to prepare application for design and engineering phase of Center Point/ 19 Eastern Kerr County Wastewater Project to the Water Development Board for EDAP grant 21 20 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 21 authorize Commissioners Letz & Overby to interview candidates to research and prepare 22 additional grants for Center Point/Eastern Kerr County Wastewater Project 22 23 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action with 24 regard to funds remaining in 2008 Capital Funds and 2010 Capital Funds 25 25 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) January 10, 2011 2 PAGE 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 3 appoint a Commissioner for ESD #2 35 4 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on proposal(s) for negotiations with City of 5 Kerrville representatives on new interlocal agreements for joint City/County operations 6 and functions 36 7 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to designate Commissioners' and Judge's liaison 8 appointments for various functions for calendar year 2011 44 9 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 10 filling Animal Control kennel worker position 62 11 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on filling Road & Bridge position 67 12 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 13 continuation for another year of H.R. working with AirLife and Air Evac by offering a payroll 14 deduction to employees 70 15 1.19 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding H.R. Director participating in a 16 Hill County Benefit Consortium on potential merits of Chapter 791 Interlocal Cooperation 17 Act for development of a group medical plan 72 18 4.1 Pay bills 75 4.2 Budget Amendments -- 19 4.3 Late Bills -- 4.4 Approve and accept Monthly Reports 75 20 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 21 Assignments 79 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 88 22 1.16 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 23 retain legal counsel regarding Ingram Lake (Executive Session) -- 24 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 25 regarding possible litigation regarding Ingram Lake/Bill Vlasek issue (Executive Session) -- 4 1 I N D E X (Continued) January 10, 2011 2 PAGE 1.18 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 3 possible acquisition of land (Executive Session) -- 4 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed in Executive Session 96 5 --- Adjourned 101 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 On Monday, January 10, 2011, at 9:00 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 8 Let me call to order this regular meeting of the Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court scheduled and posted for this date and 10 time, Monday, January 10, 2011, at 9 a.m. It is that time 11 now. If you would, please, if you'd stand and join me in a 12 moment of prayer, followed by the pledge of allegiance to the 13 flag of our country. 14 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. At this time, if there's 16 a member of the public or audience that wishes to be heard on 17 a matter which is not a listed agenda item, this is your 18 opportunity to come forward and tell us what's on your mind. 19 If you wish to be heard on an agenda item, there's some 20 participation forms at the rear of the room. We'd ask that 21 you fill out one of those so that I'm aware that you wish to 22 be recognized when we get to that item. If, for some reason, 23 you wish to be heard on an agenda item and you've not filled 24 out a participation form, that's all right too. Just get my 25 attention in some fashion and I'll give you that opportunity. 1-10-11 6 1 But right now, if there's any member of the audience or 2 public that wishes to be heard on a matter which is not a 3 listed agenda item, please come forward and tell us what's on 4 your mind. Ms. Hyde? 5 MS. HYDE: I'd like to say thank you to John and 6 Rosa Lavender. I don't know how many of y'all have been 7 downstairs lately, but the pictures and the wall hangings -- 8 of course, Maintenance has put them up, but, I mean, they 9 look fantastic, and it really has made it much nicer to work 10 in that basement. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, Ms. Hyde. A much -- much 12 warmer atmosphere, as it were. 13 MS. HYDE: Very much. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Kind of a homey atmosphere down 15 there. We appreciate the work. There's some fantastic 16 photography that they have done. Go down and take a look at 17 it. All of those pictures were done right here in Kerr 18 County; they're scenes here in Kerr County. Thank you, 19 Ms. Hyde. Anybody else that wishes to be heard? Let's get 20 on with our agenda. First, Commissioner Baldwin, do you have 21 anything for us this morning? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I don't right now. 23 I'd like to reserve a couple hours in the middle of the 24 meeting, though, for a few comments. (Laughter.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Is there a particular time block 1-10-11 7 1 that you wish -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll let you know. Thank 3 you. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Overby? 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Well, we got a little rain, 6 but, you know, not enough yet. We need to keep praying for 7 the rain to come. But I will tell you, the first week on the 8 job has been quite busy, and we're moving ahead. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Commissioner Letz? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just -- I don't have anything. 11 I just appreciate Guy allowing me to block up the last -- 12 good part of last week to get him up to speed on some 13 projects so I can kind of hand them off to him. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: The old transfer process. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The old transfer process. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler? 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just a word about -- we lost 21 two more of the longtime residents of Kerr County last week, 22 Si Ragsdale and Gail Sears, both my constituents, and want to 23 remember their families in their time of grief. And thanks 24 to them for all they did for Kerr County. And hope we get 25 some more rain. We got eight-tenths, but it was a good 1-10-11 8 1 start. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: That's exactly what I got, was 3 eight-tenths. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's it. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I think some of you 6 Commissioners may have received something from a municipal 7 judge over in central Texas, Lakeway and Horseshoe Bay and in 8 that area, who's a property owner out here in the rural part 9 of the county. Apparently, there were some solid waste 10 issues in -- with a neighbor in the same subdivision, and he, 11 as well as some of his neighbors, have been quite frustrated 12 to try and get that resolved, until they got the 13 recommendation, "Why don't you contact the Environmental 14 Health Department of Kerr County?" He did. He got results 15 that he thought were not possible; at least he hadn't gotten 16 them before, and wrote us a nice letter thanking Ray and his 17 crew for the fine work that they did. So, they need to be 18 recognized for that, and I wanted to do that this morning. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They did, and I passed the 20 letter on, which they'd already gotten. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm, yeah. So good work, guys, 22 and we appreciate your work. 23 MR. GARCIA: Thank you. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's get on with our agenda. Item 25 1 is to consider, discuss, take appropriate action on a 1-10-11 9 1 memorial resolution honoring former Kerr County Commissioner 2 Williams H. Williams, Precinct 2, for his outstanding 3 leadership, and commitment to the citizens of Kerr County and 4 Commissioners Court. Commissioner Overby? 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Judge Tinley and 6 Commissioners, and of course to Lew Williams, and we're glad 7 to see you here this morning. It's a privilege today to put 8 on our agenda Item 1.1, the memorial resolution honoring 9 former Kerr County Commissioner William H. Williams of 10 Precinct 2 for his outstanding leadership and his commitment 11 to the citizens of Kerr County and to this Commissioners 12 Court. I would like to read for the record the memorial 13 resolution that is before the Commissioners Court and Judge 14 Tinley for their adoption unanimously. 15 "William H. William, County Commissioner. Whereas, 16 William H. "Bill" Williams, Kerr County Commissioner for 17 Precinct 2, passed away on December 5th, 2010; and 18 "Whereas, Commissioner Williams was born on October 19 21st, 1931, in Birmingham, Alabama, to Calvin and Lillian 20 Levy Williams, and was raised in the state of Indiana; and 21 "Whereas, upon graduation from the Gulf Coast 22 Military Academy in Mississippi, he moved to Waco, Texas, and 23 his long career in journalism/publishing was launched as he 24 became a printer at the Waco Tribune-Herald; and 25 "Whereas, subsequently he joined the staff of the 1-10-11 10 1 International Typographical Union, edited its newspaper in 2 Colorado Springs, Colorado, and moving to the management 3 side, he became Labor Relations Director for the Daily Racing 4 Form in New York; and 5 "Whereas, Bill retired as publisher of the Form in 6 the 1990's, buying the Kerrville Mountain Sun in 1993 and 7 publishing the paper for three years with his wife Lew, and 8 also that included getting involved in numerous community 9 organizations and activities; and 10 "Whereas, he was appointed to the Upper Guadalupe 11 River Authority board by Governor George Bush and was named 12 to the Alamo Workforce Development Board, the first director 13 to serve Hill Country counties and be approved by area judges 14 and the City of San Antonio; and 15 "Whereas, after selling the Mountain Sun, he was 16 elected to Kerr County Commissioners Court for Precinct 2, 17 which included many accomplishments; projects included the 18 Kerrville South Wastewater Project and the initial planning 19 for a wastewater collection system in Center Point; and 20 "Whereas, Commissioner Williams served as director 21 for the Alamo Area Council of Governments, serving on the 22 management and Area Judges and Commissioner committees, a 23 director of the Alamo Area Development Corp., overseeing the 24 operation of all rural workforce centers and regional 25 operations, and served as the liaison for the Kerr 1-10-11 11 1 County/Kerrville Joint Airport Board; and 2 "Whereas, he served on the Executive Committee for 3 the Kerr Economic Development Foundation and many other 4 organizations in leadership roles; 5 "Whereas, he was a member of the Baylor University 6 Alumni Foundation and always enjoyed and supported Baylor 7 accomplishments; and 8 "Whereas, he was a friend to all and mentor to 9 many; and 10 "Whereas, his dedication to service as Kerr County 11 Commissioner, the leadership he provided, and his commitment 12 to family were benchmarks of his life. 13 "Now, therefore, be it resolved that the Kerr 14 County Commissioners Court, by adoption of this resolution, 15 recognizes the distinguished life of William H. Williams, 16 Kerr County Commissioner of Precinct 2, who made innumerable 17 contributions leading and working together in Commissioners 18 Court which enhanced the lives of all Kerr County citizens; 19 and be it further 20 "Resolved that the Kerr County Commissioners Court 21 conveys its deepest sympathy for the passing of William H. 22 Williams, County Commissioner, to his wife Lew, his son Will, 23 granddaughters Erin and Callie, and to other members of the 24 family and friends saddened by this loss." 25 Again, this is before you, and as the appointed 1-10-11 12 1 Precinct 2 County Commissioner, Judge and Commissioners 2 Court, it is a privilege to make this motion for it to be 3 adopted unanimously on January 10th, 2011, as before you. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion. Do I hear a 5 second? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second for 8 adoption of the resolution. Any question or discussion on 9 the motion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 10 your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does pass unanimously. 15 Thank you, Ms. Williams, for being here. It's a privilege to 16 see you. I hope everything is going well with you. 17 MRS. WILLIAMS: Thank you for your comments. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else with regard to this 19 particular matter? 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: No. Lew, again, we'll have a 21 copy that will be -- we'll deliver to you. But, again, just 22 thank you so much, and Commissioner Williams' service for our 23 county and his precinct. And I plan to -- to give every 24 effort I can to continue his vision and direction and his 25 leadership for our county and this precinct. Thank you. 1-10-11 13 1 MRS. WILLIAMS: Well, if it wouldn't frighten you, 2 I'd say I'll be watching you. (Laughter.) 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And I will also ask for your 4 prayers as well. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 2 on the agenda, if 6 we might. Consider, discuss, take appropriate action on a 7 request from Marvin Willis for use of Flat Rock Lake on 8 August 13th, 2011, for the annual river parade. Is 9 Mr. Willis present? I don't see him in the courtroom. 10 Mr. Willis has done this event, gosh, for the last three 11 years, as I recall, possibly four. Part of the river cleanup 12 campaign that -- that his group engages in. Let's defer to 13 that and come back to it later. We'll go to Item 4; 14 consider, discuss, take appropriate action on reducing 15 registration fee to $1 during the Kerr County Rabies Drive 16 February 5th through the 19th. Ms. Whitt? 17 MS. WHITT: Good morning. It's that time of year 18 again, so I'm asking that you approve us reducing the 19 registration fee to $1 from February 5th to the 19th. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 24 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 25 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 1-10-11 14 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. 5 MS. WHITT: Thank you. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's move to Item 5; consider, 7 discuss, and take appropriate action authorizing the 8 development of plans and bid specifications by Peter Lewis 9 for the Ingram annex. Commissioner Oehler? 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This has been going on for 11 quite a while, and we have tried to get estimates of costs 12 for this project, and every time that he does an estimate of 13 costs, it seems to go through the ceiling. The real cost of 14 the project would be based on a bid that was put out to the 15 public, and I believe that those bids will be much less than 16 what the projection of cost is by Mr. Lewis. And we don't 17 know if we can afford it or not unless we bid it, and so I'd 18 like -- that's why I put this on the agenda. I think it's 19 time -- I know that the building costs are down, and I 20 believe there's possibility of enough money from -- from 21 leftover funds in the capital -- capital projects fund to do 22 it. And I just -- I would like to see what the costs really 23 are, because it's gone -- his estimate goes from -- from 24 $87,000 up to $187,000 for this project, and we're talking 25 about an 1,800 square foot metal building that just -- 1-10-11 15 1 there's something about this that doesn't seem quite right to 2 me. But I would like to -- to move forward with it, and we 3 can always, you know, reject all bids if we can't afford it, 4 but I'd like to know what it would cost. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you authorizing Peter to 6 put out the bids, or you want to do them from here? 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We'll put out the bids. I 8 want him to do the bid specs. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: To put out for bids. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, mm-hmm. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Plans and specifications 13 basically for -- for a slab and for rough-in plumbing and 14 electrical and an insulated metal building with windows and a 15 couple of doors, is what it amounts to. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: How big is that building 17 again? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It is -- the building -- the 19 covered portion of it or the enclosed portion is 1,800 square 20 feet, 30 by 60. And there will be a porch that we talked 21 about putting on the front where you have your entrance and 22 stuff, where, you know, you'd have covered area to access the 23 building. Just a lean-to shed roof is all it really is. But 24 I'd like to make that motion that we move forward with this, 25 and see where we are, see if we can afford it, because it is 1-10-11 16 1 needed and it'll serve the public well. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll second, with a comment. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Your motion, then, is to authorize 4 Peter Lewis to prepare -- 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Plans and bid specifications 6 for the Ingram Annex. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, we have a motion and a second. 8 Question or discussion? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The question I have relates -- 10 at least a comment. On Item 1.9, we'll look at how much 11 funds we have available. This is a little bit contingent on 12 that. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You know, we know a range, even 15 though it's a big range, and you may want to look at it based 16 on 1.9. That's it. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's fine. Do you want to 18 put in there, "contingent upon availability of funds"? Or -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Projected availability -- 20 availability of funds. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I will amend my motion to 22 that. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Further question or 24 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 25 your right hand. 1-10-11 17 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. I assume 5 you'll get with -- 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I've already talked to -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: -- Mr. Lewis? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- Mr. Lewis this morning. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's go to Item 6; to 10 consider, discuss, take appropriate action on approving 11 contract extension with Al Groves to complete the grant with 12 Texas Water Development Board for the Center Point/Eastern 13 Kerr County wastewater project. Commissioner Letz, 14 Commissioner Overby. Who's going to take the lead on this? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll start on it. I -- Rob, do 16 you have the extension -- the agreement? 17 MR. HENNEKE: Jody has it. 18 MS. GRINSTEAD: It's in your backup. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't have any backup on any 20 of mine. 21 MS. GRINSTEAD: The Judge has it. It's in the 22 Judge's binder. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Our agreement with 24 Mr. Groves ran out a couple of months ago or so? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. Well, the original 1-10-11 18 1 agreement was -- his agreement really ran out about nine 2 months ago, somewhere in that framework. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Has he been working free, by 4 any chance? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we've had a discussion, 6 Guy and myself, the County Attorney, and Ms. Hargis -- I 7 think Ms. Hargis; I can't remember if she was still there or 8 not. Met with Al Groves last week about it. Part of the 9 problem is the -- after we started doing the extension, his 10 coordination got also, you know, continued, though we didn't 11 increase his pay. His original contract was kind of to get 12 the job done and, you know, it was for Category A, B, C, and 13 D. And we still haven't gotten completion of Category C or 14 D; work has been done on those two. Bottom line is, I think 15 it -- I don't expect him to work for free. He requested 16 quite a bit more than we're recommending -- or I'm 17 recommending, and the recommendation I have is to extend his 18 contract at $200 an hour, which is his rate, at a total 19 amount not to exceed $10,000, until the application is 20 complete. There's no time limit on it, just to get the job 21 done. And that's the maximum amount that he's going to get, 22 regardless if it takes a month more or six months to get the 23 application in, which is more in Tetra Tech's hands than his 24 hands. And I also told him that we do not have budgeted 25 funds for this; we didn't expect this delay, and that we're 1-10-11 19 1 going to be looking at his billings very carefully. I don't 2 expect this to get up to $10,000. 3 The funding, I think, would come out of our 4 professional fees. That's the only spot that I know that we 5 have any funds available. The part of it -- the other thing 6 I need to get with Ms. Hargis on a little bit, his overall 7 payment is part of the match that we were required to do 8 in-kind services, so it's -- you know, it's kind of -- we 9 have to spend the money somewhere. I think we chose early on 10 to spend it with Mr. Groves. We have some other agenda items 11 that kind of relate to Mr. Groves and Tetra Tech and that 12 whole project, but at this point I recommend that we 13 authorize the amendment to his contract to extend his 14 services for $200 an hour in an amount not to exceed $10,000 15 to complete the project, and I so move. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask you a question 17 before you do that, though. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The -- our in-kind services, 20 is that a set amount? Or is it based on total cost, whatever 21 that -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a set amount based on this 23 grant amount. That's what I've got to look at with 24 Ms. Hargis to see exactly where we are in expending that. We 25 also, I think, can pretty -- or very easily use the 1-10-11 20 1 Environmental Health Department's hours that they've spent 2 accumulating data on this as part of that in-kind as well. 3 I'm just not sure where we are on the total in-kind amount 4 yet. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Keeping track of it. You know, 7 I suspect that we probably don't need this 8,000 or 10,000 to 8 meet it, because I know the Environmental Health Department's 9 spent quite a bit of time on this. But I think that it is in 10 our best interest at this point to continue. Mr. Groves has 11 a very good relationship with Water Development Board. And 12 we need to get this grant completed, and I think it's best 13 to, you know, keep him on board to help get that done. That 14 was a motion earlier. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion. Do I hear a 16 second? 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. 19 Question or discussion on the motion? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Only a comment, that we 21 authorize the County Judge to sign the amendment that's been 22 prepared by the County Attorney. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Question or discussion? All in 24 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 1-10-11 21 1 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 2 (No response.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. We'll move 4 to Item 7; to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 5 to authorize Tetra Tech to prepare the application for the 6 design and engineering phase of the Center Point/Eastern Kerr 7 County wastewater project to the Water Development Board for 8 the E.D.A.P. grant. Commissioner Letz? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're at the point that we need 10 to start preparing the next-round application, and in our 11 meeting with Tetra Tech last week, they are willing to do 12 that. My understanding is that, based on our meeting, 13 there's no cost to us to do that; it's -- the application is 14 pretty simple, based on the information they have. And this 15 is just to get us in the queue for additional funding for 16 that phase down the road. It's just kind of the -- 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Follow-up. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Basically just to keep our name 19 on the list. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We sure don't want it to fall 21 off. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: No. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Don't want it to fall off. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: No. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I'll make such motion. 1-10-11 22 1 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion for the approval of 2 the agenda item. Do I hear a second? 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. 5 Question or discussion on the motion? All in favor of that 6 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Item 8; 11 consider, discuss, take appropriate action to authorize 12 Commissioner Letz and Commissioner Overby to interview 13 candidates to research and prepare additional grants for the 14 Center Point/Eastern Kerr County wastewater project. 15 Commissioner Letz again. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On this one, in our meetings 17 that we had with the Water Development Board, and the County 18 Attorney was present at, Ms. Lavin at the Water Development 19 Board, who's an assistant executive administrator, told us 20 basically that there's no way that we're going to be able to 21 fund this project under the E.D.A.P. program alone; that it's 22 going to take a consortium of different projects, some of 23 them with Water Development Board, hopefully with the 24 U.S.D.A., and possibly with T.C.E.Q. There's just a group of 25 grants out there that we need to really pursue and start 1-10-11 23 1 pursuing aggressively. She said that's pretty common with 2 E.D.A.P. grants, because there's limitations on them. 3 As an example, E.D.A.P. grants can only be used for 4 residential projects -- services. And, obviously, we have a 5 school that would like to get tied on this. There's some 6 trailer parks and things like that, and those are going to 7 require different types of grants than the E.D.A.P. grant. 8 And the agenda item is for Mr. Overby and myself to do -- 9 start interviewing companies such as Grantworks. They'd be 10 the one that we've used before. Possibly Tetra Tech; they've 11 been involved, and I'm sure there's others out there. We 12 need to -- we need to, I think, aggressively approach this 13 and see what's out there, find the best person for it. 14 They're pretty much governmental grants that are pretty 15 specialized, so I don't think we have really anyone in-house 16 capable of that, the work -- the working and the relationship 17 with Water Development Board, understanding a lot of the 18 federal and state requirements. So, it's just kind of 19 authorizing us to go out and find someone that we can bring 20 back to the Court, to then approve that person to really 21 start pursuing those specific grants. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I might just also add to what 23 Commissioner Letz said, again, the need to look at other 24 sources of money coming in, but also state avenues as well 25 that are out there. And, again, building our application, 1-10-11 24 1 our looks for finding those -- those funds, using the -- the 2 avenue to tie in as much green -- quote, green funding 3 applications that we can get out there. And, again, 4 obviously, this kind of project here ties into exactly what 5 we're looking at, so we hope that through those endeavors, 6 we'll be able to find such resources on grants and different 7 state programs out there that we may be able to obtain 8 from -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the good news is, the work 10 and the money we've spent on the E.D.A.P. grant up to now 11 will serve as the foundation for those other applications. 12 All of that data is going to be required on all these other 13 applications, and so it's kind of like, you know, we finally 14 got all the legwork done. Now we can start pursuing them, 15 seeing what fits what part of that, and applying for multiple 16 grants, you know, at one time. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Any federal funding available 18 for this? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: U.S.D.A. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: U.S.D.A. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: U.S.D.A. has some that meets 22 the requirements, and there may be some others. We just have 23 to really, you know, get someone to really work with a lot of 24 those federal grants and state grants. So, I'll move 25 approval of the agenda item. 1-10-11 25 1 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion. Do I hear a 2 second? 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion and a second. 5 Question or discussion on that motion? All in favor of that 6 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. We'll move 11 on to Item 9, which is to consider, discuss, take appropriate 12 action with regard to the funds remaining in the 2008 capital 13 fund and the 2010 capital funds. 14 MS. HARGIS: Hang on just a second. I don't know 15 which side -- Buster, would you take one and pass them? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I will. Take one down and 17 pass it around? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's the old-fashioned way, 19 Buster. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Same thing with this 21 one? 22 MS. HARGIS: Please. There should be six there, 23 one for Cheryl. Okay. If we can, please, we'll start with 24 the single sheet, which doesn't have the paper clips on it. 25 This is the 2008 issue. This was a little bit better 1-10-11 26 1 defined. The issue as far as -- as our costs were concerned, 2 we'll start in the beginning. You can see from the I.T. 3 projects, we're -- on that particular issue, we actually 4 overspent there by about $516. The Ag Barn is still kind of 5 a moving target, because we still have a few things left out 6 there to do. It's -- the remaining balance as of today is 7 220,428.41. The courthouse repairs, that was the windows and 8 the grounds that we did. That was -- we have a total left 9 there of 44,306.47. Road and Bridge has 1,146.22 left. 10 Environmental and Animal Control still had some equipment 11 left they didn't purchase on that issue, 8,004.22. The bond 12 issue costs were over by 1,060, so for a total there of 13 272,308.80. We have some software money left of 1,478.78, 14 but we also had some interest income which we are using for 15 I.T. projects for 25,329.21, so you have a total of 16 299,116.79. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: What you've done is fully allocated 18 that interest income up to the first -- 19 MS. HARGIS: For the first line item. Because -- 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 21 MS. HARGIS: Because we -- we've run into the 22 problems of having computers crash that we didn't know about, 23 and also software problems, and we're still encouraging that, 24 and I hate to let go of that because it does give us a matter 25 of correcting our problems which we still have throughout the 1-10-11 27 1 building with Odyssey, with all of our programs right now. 2 So, your biggest -- your biggest amount of money remaining is 3 the 44,000 in the courthouse. And then, of course, your -- 4 your Ag Barn expansion, and we don't have the costs for the 5 electrical yet. They're working on that, but they don't have 6 the costs on that, not totally. 7 MR. BOLLIER: Not totally. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: What's it going to be, about 400? 9 MR. BOLLIER: Right now, we have what left, 30 -- 10 MS. HARGIS: We have about 35. We have -- 11 MR. BOLLIER: About 3,500 left. 12 MS. HARGIS: We still have some there, so I'd 13 rather wait till that one stops, but you could take 10 out of 14 that and -- and reallocate that one. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you reallocate it? 16 MS. HARGIS: You reallocate it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have you been reallocating 18 that? 19 MS. HARGIS: No, I have not. No, I have not. You 20 reallocate. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. That's 22 exactly what I wanted to hear. 23 MS. HARGIS: That's -- we're, again, defined very 24 much. We stayed within the parameters on this particular 25 issue. Now, this next issue is a little more complicated, 1-10-11 28 1 and you did allocate based on requests that were made, so I 2 had to kind of move them around a little bit, 'cause we 3 didn't really define as many of the projects on this issue, 4 because we kind of had a target for how much we were going to 5 sell. We ended up selling a little bit more. This is the 6 one in the paper clips; this is the 2010 issue. And the 7 reason that I'm running a little -- Mindy and I are having a 8 little bit of conflict. We worked over the weekend. Right 9 now, this is what we're going to give you today, based on -- 10 we know our costs are down. We have been having a little bit 11 of problem on the cash side, but that's what we're balancing 12 today. If we have a correction, we'll come back to you. 13 The first one is our computers. This was a 14 two-year program -- project, so there should be money 15 remaining in this one, because we -- we bought as many 16 computers as we could in '09, but we still -- this has to 17 clop into this 2010 year as well, and he hasn't bought that 18 much for this year. The Ag Barn expansion basically was the 19 tables and the chairs. We also bought a vehicle out there, 20 and then we paid off the Extension Office vehicle, so that's 21 what the 92,000 amounts to. The video equipment is just now 22 coming in, which is your next item. We have just paid out 23 this money within the last 45 days, the 83,000. This is the 24 video equipment in the courtrooms. This is the one we did 25 not get the grant for, but we are putting the basic amount 1-10-11 29 1 in. The next one is Road and Bridge, and typical of Leonard, 2 if he gets it, he spends it. So, he has cleared out his 3 money, and that's exactly what he asked for, and that's 4 exactly what he spent. (Laughter.) I don't have to worry 5 about Leonard. He does his and he gets it over with, so it 6 makes it a little easier. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Don't have to worry about him 8 having any left over. 9 MS. HARGIS: In Environmental Control and Animal 10 Control, again, we got one truck for Environmental with 11 equipment. We have two in Animal Control with equipment. I 12 think they're finished with their equipment on the Animal 13 Control. They were a little late getting some of their stuff 14 due to, you know, time constraints. They still have a little 15 bit of money in the other issue if they need to put any more 16 equipment on their trucks. The next one is equipment for the 17 jail and the van. As you recall, we had an air-conditioner 18 go out on us that we could not include in that SECO grant, 19 because it went out before the grant, and the grant says you 20 can't do anything prior that you knew about. So, we paid for 21 one air-conditioner, and we were buying some shackles and 22 tables and things like that. And we bought a van with 23 equipment, so that's what the 59,000 is. 24 The next one -- and, again, all these kind of 25 changed. You approved all these changes as we went along, 1-10-11 30 1 but it was kind of during the budget time these requests were 2 made. Radio equipment for the Sheriff and three constables. 3 The radio equipment is the actual equipment that's at the 4 Sheriff's Office. The vehicle radios we got, but we needed 5 to change from the -- to the narrow band -- help me with 6 this. And then we bought -- actually, I don't have this 7 written down right. We bought three vehicles for the 8 constables, which totaled 94,177. The initial cars were 9 22,250, but we put about $26,000 worth of equipment on those 10 vehicles. That included cameras, radios, et cetera. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, from Road and Bridge 12 down is all zeroed out? 13 MS. HARGIS: All -- most of these are zeroed out. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 15 MS. HARGIS: All right. The next page is the 16 actual purchase of the vehicles. Boy, I really was in a 17 hurry; I've got "rado" equipment. We paid off some vehicles. 18 As you recall, we had a couple of Crown Vics and some Tahoes, 19 so we paid those off, and then we bought five. And we 20 upgraded, and we had some grants to upgrade that equipment, 21 so this is all spent. That's -- that was a total of 549,786. 22 We moved some money from -- out of -- actually, out of our 23 annex to renovate the Juvenile Detention Facility, and that's 24 now complete, for a total of 16,827.63. And then the 25 courthouse annex, which is where we have most of our money, 1-10-11 31 1 and I'm not sure we're totally finished here, but the annex 2 itself, right now we have 501,383.21. We have 109 allocated 3 for fence. I don't believe the fence is supposed to come in 4 that high, so there will be some funds left there. I think 5 it was 89 or something like that we bid, or a little less 6 than that, or 77. I remember -- 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't recall the exact 8 amount. It was -- I thought -- I think it's 77. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Or less. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. Wasn't over 80. 11 MS. HARGIS: The airport capital money would be the 12 only one that I would advise y'all that it's not 13 reallocateable, because we did actually state that in the 14 issue, and because it's for capital. And the -- it would be 15 more advantageous for us to leave that and use it for the 16 upcoming budget year, if nothing else, if they have some 17 capital. The repair at the dams, this is one of those areas 18 where we -- as we upgraded our issue, we put more money in 19 because we didn't know exactly how much the dams were going 20 to cost. We're at 187. We have not finished that project. 21 The total is 294, I believe, so there is still money there to 22 be spent, and -- and in the parks or anywhere else, that -- 23 that we kind of designated for that. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Some of that's to be approved 25 today, I believe. 1-10-11 32 1 MS. HARGIS: And then the -- we had some premium 2 which we've kind of moved around for some of these projects. 3 There was a little premium on the bond issue. In other 4 words, we -- we sold it for -- we got a better buy on the 5 bonds than -- than -- so we sold them at a premium, the 6 market, so we have about 25,000 of that money left. The bond 7 issue cost, we didn't have any control over that 75, so 8 that's the total amount of money we received out of the 9 issue. There was actually four million, six. Ten thousand 10 of that went to debt service. It was interest -- accrued 11 interest on the bonds, and you have to put that back into 12 debt service, so we did earn a whole lot less interest on 13 this issue, again, because it came in -- in a low-interest 14 environment, so we've only earned 4 million (sic), 285. So, 15 we have 1,255,453.76. And, again, the only thing I would 16 suggest you remove from that amount is the airport. 17 Everything else is -- you know, we left these issues fairly 18 general to give you the flexibility to move around, to 19 reallocate, so that's what you have. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Would you tell us the number 21 again for the interest income? 22 MS. HARGIS: The interest income is at the bottom 23 of the page on Page 2. It's right before I've got the total 24 of a million, two; 4 million, 285.43. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Four million? 1-10-11 33 1 MS. HARGIS: Four thousand, I'm sorry. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's what you said a while 3 ago, too. 4 MS. HARGIS: I know. Sorry. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's been put in the 6 record. 7 MS. HARGIS: I'm sorry. I apologize; I made an 8 error. Please record the interest as 4,285.43. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'd like four million. 10 MS. HARGIS: I know. I would like that, too. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's interest income? 12 MS. HARGIS: That's 100 percent return on the 13 dollar. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I was going to say, where 15 could we find that? 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Probably the two biggest remaining 17 expenditures that I'm aware of, number one, we got some more 18 expenditures on the dam repairs, and we also have 19 approximately $80,000 in retainage that we're -- we're 20 presently holding on the -- the Sheriff's Office Annex -- 21 MS. HARGIS: And the fence. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: -- project. 23 MS. HARGIS: And the fence. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: And then, of course, the fence. My 25 recollection is that it's somewhere around 70,000. 1-10-11 34 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's on my desk at the office, 2 but it's in the 70's, I think. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: I was thinking it just -- just 4 hearing -- 5 MS. HARGIS: I mean, it's varied from 87 to 69. I 6 think he got the final bid. And, of course, using the 7 fencing that we have, hopefully that will -- that we got from 8 the airport. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: But those, I think, are the major -- 10 major remaining expenditures to come out of there. Which 11 would still leave us -- 12 MS. HARGIS: A healthy amount of money. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: -- a million, or slightly more than 14 that. 15 MS. HARGIS: And you still have, again, from the 16 other issue -- and, again, your major money, the 2008 issue, 17 is in the Ag Barn. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Ag Barn. 19 MS. HARGIS: And I don't know whether you want to 20 spend that or not. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 22 MS. HARGIS: So that is your report. We will try 23 to keep you up -- bring you this on a monthly basis now so 24 that you'll know. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. 1-10-11 35 1 JUDGE TINLEY: I appreciate it. This has been very 2 informative. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, gives us an idea where we 4 are. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: As they would say in 6 Fredericksburg, das gut. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else on that from 8 any member of the Court? Let's move on to Item 10; to 9 consider, discuss, take appropriate action to appoint a 10 commissioner for Emergency Services District Number 2. 11 Commissioner Oehler? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We have a term that's up on 13 that board of commissioners. I'll put forward the name of 14 Perrin Wells, who's presently serving, who has agreed to go 15 for another term of two years, and I would make a motion 16 to -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- approve Perrin Wells. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion and second for 20 appointment -- reappointment of Perrin Wells to serve as a 21 commissioner for the Emergency Services District Number 2. 22 Question or discussion on the motion? All in favor of the 23 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 1-10-11 36 1 (No response.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Item 11; 3 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on proposal or 4 proposals for negotiations with the City of Kerrville 5 representatives on a new interlocal agreement for joint city 6 and county operations and functions. I put this on the 7 agenda. The representatives from the City of Kerrville have 8 indicated to us verbally -- to me, and had suggested it 9 probably a couple of months ago, that they have on their 10 agenda for tomorrow night an item dealing with these 11 interlocal agreements, and their intention is to obtain a 12 Council vote to serve notice of termination of all of those 13 existing interlocal agreements, with the idea in mind that 14 they want to renegotiate. They didn't want to necessarily 15 eliminate or terminate service; they merely want to 16 renegotiate the agreement. 17 That being the case, they have indicated that going 18 into their -- into their budget, which they try and roll out, 19 I think, generally in May, their draft budget, they would 20 like to begin working on this promptly so that we at least 21 have a draft to -- to consider on -- on those agreements by 22 March 31 of this year, so that we can actually spend the 23 necessary time in order to, if we can, renegotiate those 24 interlocal agreements. That being the case, I put it on the 25 agenda to consider how we're going to go about doing that. I 1-10-11 37 1 suspect the biggest items of contention are going to be fire 2 and EMS. That seems to be the focus of -- of their revenue 3 demands, as it were. And so it's out here on the table. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What else is -- what others? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you've got fire, EMS. You 6 have library. You have airport. You have animal control. 7 You have recycling. What am I missing? Anything? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't think so. We need to 9 really -- the animal control issue may become somewhat of 10 contention. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We need -- the other one is -- 12 and it's -- we don't really talk about it; we've just always 13 done it, but Environmental Health does -- there is some 14 crossover there in the city occasionally, which we never 15 really -- I mean, it's not -- it's on the table. It hasn't 16 been part of these agreements, but it is something that is 17 part of that mix. And the other thing is -- that we probably 18 should put on the table is floodplain. They do their 19 floodplain; we do our floodplain. I think it's a great 20 opportunity for us to get with the City again. We were very 21 successful last time coming out with some new approaches, new 22 ways of looking at things. I think everyone would agree the 23 airport was a tremendous success. We've got that off the 24 page -- front page. You know, we're not involved with it 25 day-to-day; they're not involved with it day-to-day. The 1-10-11 38 1 airport's now running more efficiently, at a lower cost than 2 ever before. And I think that's a good model that we can 3 look at for some of these others, possibly. You know, a 4 little less direct control may be good for some of these 5 cooperative efforts. So, I look forward to this. I think 6 it's a positive move going forward. You know, we've been 7 successful several years ago, and I think, you know, they 8 were happy; we were happy, so we have a win-win. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think it ought to be 100 10 percent participation. I don't think you ought to send two 11 people over to try to negotiate something that -- it's not 12 going to work. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Well -- 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Never has in the past. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, they have indicated that they 16 would prefer to have some of their representatives meet with 17 ours; that they felt it would be a better environment, rather 18 than having a full joint meeting. And all that would happen 19 from that would be that there would be recommendations or 20 suggestions that would come back to the political bodies, 21 which would be subject to approval, non-approval, 22 modification or whatever. I -- I mentioned as part of my 23 discussion with the mayor and the City Manager that -- that I 24 was -- I was giving some thought to suggesting to the Court 25 that we include public members, as it were, on -- on our 1-10-11 39 1 group, people that may -- maybe a couple people that are 2 citizens, that have good business sense, that know how to 3 crunch numbers, that have savvy about contractual 4 arrangements, those sorts of things, for a number of reasons. 5 Number one, it gives us a fresh perspective -- or our 6 negotiating team, as it were, a fresh perspective of what our 7 constituents are thinking and what their input is. Secondly, 8 I think it gives -- gives us an opportunity to involve our 9 constituents in -- in how we go about determining how we 10 spend their funds and the transparency aspect of it, so that 11 when there are questions from citizens that they have about 12 these matters, they can ask their neighbor that's 13 participated in them, and -- and maybe have a little warmer, 14 fuzzier feeling, as it were, about the response they're 15 getting, as opposed to, quote, "some member of the 16 government," which I think surveys have shown sometimes 17 people don't trust the government, for some reason. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I don't understand 19 that either. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: But I made that suggestion to them. 21 I think they were somewhat cool to it, but -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, Judge, you know, I 23 agree with you 100 percent. I like the transparency issue, 24 just more input for us, the ability for a -- just a member of 25 the community to be able to speak on behalf of Commissioners 1-10-11 40 1 Court, if necessary. I think that we should go that way 2 whether the City wants to do it that way or not. I'd like to 3 see a couple of people be named to work along beside the 4 Commissioners Court all the way through the budget process. 5 I just think that -- I think there's safety in many 6 counselors. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's true. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I -- I like that 9 approach. I like bringing in some other people, but I also 10 am pretty firm in my view -- like Commissioner Oehler said, 11 I'm not comfortable with assigning any member of the Court, 12 myself included, to handle this. We need to start out with a 13 joint meeting. We need to have this before the -- I don't 14 want to have meetings that aren't open to the public and 15 aren't -- the public isn't at. I'm very much in this 16 transparency thing. I'm a little bit leery of going down the 17 road of all these little different deals and agreements being 18 negotiated outside of the view of the public. I want this to 19 be a public process, which to me means we'll have a joint 20 public meeting, and -- at least to start with. And if we 21 want to go off in some little subcommittees out of that, that 22 may be where we go. But openly, I think we need to have an 23 open discussion with the City Council. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fine. I -- that's 25 fine with me. I just see -- I can see this as if it -- if it 1-10-11 41 1 were me going over there and negotiating, I'm going to come 2 back and tell you what was said. There's not going to be any 3 decisions or even recommendations. Just tell you what was 4 said and what they think and what I think, and then 5 collectively we make a decision on which way we want to go. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just -- I would rather hear 7 it from them, themselves, than having to come through any 8 other person. I mean, I want to hear what -- I mean, to 9 start with. Down the road, certainly, we can't all -- I 10 don't want to be at all -- every meeting that we're trying to 11 come to some of these agreements, but I think we need to have 12 kind of a framework -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fine. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- at the joint meeting. So, 15 you know, we hear their concerns; they hear our concerns. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Who would one of the citizen 17 people be? Or who would two of them be that you would 18 recommend? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't have one off the top 20 of my head. Believe it or not, I think I would look -- I 21 would look in the attorney field. C.P.A./attorney type 22 person is the route I would want to go. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Or someone that has considerable 24 business experience. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, business type -- type 1-10-11 42 1 thing. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: One of each. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'd say I -- again, I'm not 4 -- I'm not into putting it onto somebody else. We're the 5 ones that make the decisions. The City makes the decisions. 6 We're going to be dealing with City staff; we're not going to 7 be dealing with -- you know, if you do it in a committee, 8 it's not going to be with Councilmen. I think they ought to 9 have staff and the Council -- 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Present. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- present. Because, you 12 know, Council, I think, would be the decision maker, and not 13 the staff, but it seems that that doesn't happen as often as 14 it should, in my opinion. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, the full board 16 meetings don't work either, but whatever. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well -- 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We got to do something, 19 though. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. Last time we were able 21 to come to an agreement that lasted three years, anyway, or 22 two and a half years, at a joint meeting, you know. I think 23 the key is for us to, you know, to have it more of a -- you 24 know, not a confrontational type atmosphere. Just say -- 25 have us go over there, say, "What are your concerns? Here 1-10-11 43 1 are our concerns. How are we going to solve them?" 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Your opening comments about 3 the airport and the model that's out there and how it 4 works -- and I don't know; I haven't heard anything, but it 5 seems like to me that everybody should be very happy with 6 that. That looks like that -- and to copy somewhat after 7 that model is a good idea. And I just -- I can't imagine any 8 contention this time around. I just cannot -- no, seriously. 9 I can't imagine -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You mean, like, at the airport? 11 Or anywhere? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Anywhere. Anywhere. I 13 mean, I think that we trimmed all the limbs off the trees 14 last year, and I don't know where contention would come from. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I can make a couple 16 suggestions. (Laughter.) 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, don't -- don't suggest 18 anything. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'm not. I said I could, but 20 I won't. At this point. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Is my direction, then, at this point 22 to notify the City that the Court's preference is to hold a 23 joint meeting of both political bodies, with the decision to 24 be made at that time how we go forward? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 1-10-11 44 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Cool. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's where I'm at. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on that one, 6 gentlemen? Let's move to Item 12; consider, discuss, and 7 take appropriate action to designate Commissioners' and 8 Judge's liaison appointments for various functions for the 9 calendar year 2010. Should that not be 2011? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It doesn't matter any more. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. We can do it retroactively 12 and see if everybody did their job, I guess. Do we have a 13 problem with that, Mr. Henneke, that we've said 2010? 14 Seriously, talking about 2011, or is that such an obvious 15 typo -- 16 MR. HENNEKE: Judge, there's adequate notice. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, let me see. 19 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. It's attached to your agenda 21 at the back. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, it's on the back. Well, 24 I have a suggestion on one of them. Here we go. Thank you. 25 I think that, you know, everybody ought to share in having 1-10-11 45 1 the Sheriff as being -- you know, being liaison for the 2 Sheriff, so -- and so I think it's Buster's turn. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do have some comments 4 about that. We have -- we've all had our turn in the barrel. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I understand, but we're 6 starting over, right? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, well, it could be. I 8 don't have any -- I don't mind doing that. I don't pay any 9 attention to Rusty anyway, so... (Laughter.) You know, if 10 you watch him closely, what he does, he just bypasses us and 11 goes straight to the Judge anyway. So, I mean, it's not a 12 big deal. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: You sure don't want to put me in 14 charge of it, then. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Don't want to put him in 16 charge of it. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: If I can jump out of the 18 barrel on the Sheriff, I'd jump into it on H.R. But I want 19 to get rid of -- I didn't -- I didn't say that, did I? Get 20 rid of the Sheriff? 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Probably what -- you know, where we 22 need to think about is, of course, Commissioner Williams was 23 designated with respect to the Airport Board. Airport is 24 actually in Precinct 2 or 3? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two. 1-10-11 46 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Two? 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Two. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Airport -- I mean, the airport 4 is -- you know, Guy and I visited. I think Guy's probably 5 planning on attending the meetings whether he's liaison or 6 not. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. It's in my -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Really, there's no liaison work 9 there. It's kind of -- I've chosen to participate or to go 10 to the meetings and listen, and I know I'll continue to do 11 that, because -- you know, I mean, it's -- there's no 12 official function, because we don't have any function out 13 there. But, you know, I'm very interested in it, and I think 14 it's -- I like -- and I plan to continue to go and attend the 15 meetings just to listen, so when budget time comes around, I 16 can, you know, give the Court some feedback. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And you too, huh? 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And I'll chime in also as 19 well. I think, obviously, in Precinct 2, the need to be 20 involved with Airport Board is something that I've been going 21 to often, you know, coming out of the economic development 22 climate that I was serving the last seven years. And also, I 23 would -- Commissioners and Judge Tinley, the AACOG area, as 24 far as the Alamo Area Council of Governments, I do just want 25 to let the Court again know, I have a lot of strengths and a 1-10-11 47 1 lot of those relationships with AACOG. I know that former 2 Commissioner Bill Williams was strong for rural support, and 3 always -- you know, always was there as a voice for rural 4 community resources and funds, and I feel like I've got good 5 relationships in there to continue that and to work with that 6 Council of Governments, if you desire for me to do so. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think that's a fantastic 8 idea, and I'll volunteer to be your alternate if you'll so 9 choose. But that's a good idea. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Also, there's one that's not 12 listed on this stuff, and that is the county park, being as 13 it's in Precinct 2. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Flat Rock Park. I think 16 that's one of the things that Commissioner Williams kind of 17 took care of, for the most part, and make sure that it's 18 being maintained and -- 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Just "park"? Is that what 20 the title would just be? 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Parks. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Parks. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: County parks. And that's kind 24 of like -- 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You have two in your 1-10-11 48 1 precinct. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I've got -- yes. So, okay. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm kind of -- go ahead. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, go ahead. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was going to say, it's kind 6 of like -- I'm listed on here as subdivisions. I don't do 7 anything with subdivisions, except that I just kind of 8 attend -- everyone does their own subdivision stuff, but I 9 frequently will attend others' meetings at the individual 10 Commissioner's request. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, you're the information 12 source. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. So -- 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: For those of us that are 15 still studying. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Library Board, I have no 17 problem with staying there or not staying there. I visited 18 with Todd Parton on this one. And this one, in my mind, is a 19 little bit up in the air until our -- our joint meetings. I 20 told him that depending -- currently, the way the agreements 21 are now, I don't have a problem with us not being involved 22 with the Library Board. It's a City choice. I said the 23 reason we have not made a new appointment is because I think 24 the City needs to relook at that board. And I said whether 25 there's a commissioner on that as an advisory standpoint, or 1-10-11 49 1 whether there's a county citizen appointed, I think that's up 2 to the City. Todd agreed. And so that's kind of in limbo 3 pending, you know, I guess, reaffirmation of how the City 4 wants to run the Library Board. So, I don't mind staying 5 there right now. I will attend their meeting, but that's 6 kind of an in-limbo position right now, in my opinion. On 7 the -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So you're staying? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I'll stay, but I'm not 10 doing anything. (Laughter.) 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right. I like that. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of the ones that I had a 13 long time ago, and I know Bruce has done both Animal Control 14 and Environmental Health. I wouldn't mind taking up one of 15 those, just to kind of spread it around a little bit. That's 16 up kind of to Bruce which one. I don't care. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't care. We can do it 18 together, as far as I'm concerned. But it's -- you know, 19 there's -- really, those departments have done -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They kind of run themselves, 21 but just kind of -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Better than they have in my 23 past memory. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I look at it as an opportunity 25 to -- to make yourself work a little bit closer with and 1-10-11 50 1 understand the operation. That's the reason for my interest 2 in getting involved with either one. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: If you didn't mind, I 4 wouldn't mind sharing that with you, just like we do the Ag 5 Barn. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's fine. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I stay -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So you're going to add Letz 9 to that one? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And -- 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That will take care of his 12 library obligations. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And on Court Compliance, I 14 don't feel I've probably done a good job there. I see Terry 15 sitting in the room. We meet occasionally, but I would not 16 be opposed to giving that one up to one of the other 17 Commissioners, just because -- I say "not done a good job." 18 Most people know I'm not in the courthouse like most of all 19 the Commissioners. I'm out and around a lot, and I think 20 that that's a -- that's a function that -- I think we need to 21 look at that. I think there needs to be, and I just never 22 got to it, a kind of a meeting and a direction from the 23 District Clerk County Clerk, Commissioners Court, and Court 24 Compliance, and try to look at that. I think there's -- you 25 know, that's -- I'm 100 percent behind the Court Compliance 1-10-11 51 1 group. I think if we had a little bit bigger population, 2 we'd have to have it, but I think there needs to be a way to 3 coordinate it better with the District and County Clerks. 4 And I'm not -- and I just never was able to wrap my brain 5 around how to get that accomplished totally. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think Guy would be good at 7 that. He's a pretty good policy person. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Starting off -- 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's not bad as some of the 10 others. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Starting off easy, huh? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. I've already 13 written it down. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: You got me down for Court 15 Compliance? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So that's pretty much -- you 17 know, we got two, so if we get another somebody to say yes -- 18 well, Guy said yes, I think. That's three, isn't it? 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I thought you might have had 20 me down on one of these ones at the bottom down here. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's change the -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's not as bad as giving 23 you the Sheriff on the opening start out of the gate. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Is that right? All right. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That would be an honor. 1-10-11 52 1 (Laughter.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: You had a comment, Commissioner 3 Baldwin? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Let's change the name 5 of EMS Board. There hasn't been an EMS Board in Kerr County 6 in -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: I've already done it. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- 55 years. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Fire and EMS. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Fire and EMS. That's what 11 I've put. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'd like to hang in there 14 until I get the other half of that -- that ambulance for us. 15 (Laughter.) 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think you should. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm tired of riding in the 18 front. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: On KEDF, I've redesignated that as 20 just economic development, generally. Just economic 21 development. And it's probably not any surprise who's going 22 to end up there, is it? Commissioner Overby and myself. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, you're kidding. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You and Guy together? 1-10-11 53 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm, yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's a good idea. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How are you doing with 5 Maintenance and courthouse facilities? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm okay with that. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're cool with that? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One thing that's not on here, 10 Judge, and I'd like to bring up is insurance. I think we 11 need to have an insurance committee. I think we -- and I 12 don't want to be on it. (Laughter.) 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You just thought it up, huh? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I just think that there 15 needs to -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Doesn't that fall under the H.R. 17 function? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. I think H.R. needs to be 19 on it, but I think -- and this may not be the spot for it, 20 but I think we need to look at having a -- the insurance is 21 such a huge issue as to the whole thing, working with 22 Mr. Looney, the Auditor, H.R., and maybe some other elected 23 officials to kind of -- when we go into the RFP time, looking 24 at where -- our approaches and some of that stuff, it just 25 seems to me that it might be helpful. That's just -- you 1-10-11 54 1 know, I'm not sure it belongs on here, but I think it would 2 be a worthwhile function to have a committee working on that, 3 as opposed to just an individual. That seems to be a pretty 4 big task. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: I think on a day-to-day basis, it 6 would fall under the H.R. function. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure it does. I'm talking more 8 about -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: And I've substituted you in, you and 10 I. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Works for me. If it works 12 for you, it's fine with me. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: And as we get -- as we get -- you're 14 talking mainly about the health insurance thing? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Health insurance. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: 'Cause that is always a bugaboo, and 17 as we get to that issue each year, would it maybe not be 18 appropriate for the Court to -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Appoint a committee. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: -- just to designate at that time? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's fine; that makes sense. 22 Probably just -- it's really more of a -- yeah, it's not a 23 continuing management. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Seasonal deal. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: When we're getting ready to -- 1-10-11 55 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Do whatever we're going to. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- do whatever we're going to 3 do, it just seems that -- 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It is a big issue, and it's a 5 big expense. And, you know, you never know. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And mainly to have 7 recommendations come back to the Court as to where we need to 8 go down the road. I mean, what frustrated me this year was 9 that I didn't that think that we had, you know, a good enough 10 plan as to how we got in a bad situation, and it didn't 11 seem -- to me, we should have looked at some other things. I 12 don't think it was anyone in the county. I really look at 13 Mr. Looney as kind of -- I don't say he dropped the ball, but 14 I think he should have given us some options long-term, and 15 keep it before the Court a little bit more. I know Eva's 16 looking at me like, "What the heck are you talking about?" 17 Because I just think that some of this stuff has -- I would 18 like the County, its elected officials, involved with some of 19 this process. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think, too -- you 21 know, I think you have a good suggestion. We just need to 22 start on the process earlier and see -- see where we are, you 23 know, in the middle of the -- of the year before it gets to 24 the end of the year, and then be hit with -- of course, you 25 know, with all the things that happened last year with the -- 1-10-11 56 1 you know, might as well been an earthquake that hit us. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: The unfortunate thing -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In health care. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The unfortunate thing, Commissioner, 5 insofar as trying to see what will work or what won't work, 6 the -- the proposers run you until the very eleventh hour, 7 because they want that -- that claims information for as long 8 as possible, and that has a limiting factor insofar as being 9 able to know what we even got in front of us, a possibility 10 that you can accept. Because they -- they will not commit 11 until they get that, generally the tenth month of -- of 12 claims. And the way those claims run, why, they're -- 13 they're -- they run weeks behind, and when we get to that 14 point, we're pushing and screaming and scratching trying to 15 get all that claims information in so that we can get it to 16 them and get a -- 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There were quite a few 18 different options this year, just -- what happened in my mind 19 was we were limited on funds. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Mm-hmm. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Kind of had to go with what 22 you could afford. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: I think that's always the case; 24 you're limited with funds. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: In this case this year -- 1-10-11 57 1 this past year, that -- that had a lot of limiting factors as 2 to what we were able to do without going up tremendously on 3 tax rate. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm looking at things along the 5 line -- more general. Like, TAC told us that they didn't 6 want to take us 'cause we bid every year. Well, that would 7 have been nice to know that a couple years ago when we were 8 bidding every year. You know, it's that kind of stuff that 9 we need to look at. Do we need to bid it every year? Is 10 there another way to do things? I mean, just to kind of look 11 at the overall -- how we're doing our insurance. Not 12 really -- I'm not talking about specific policy. That's 13 going to be the last minute, I know, about how we get there. 14 Where we're trying to go long-term. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't think -- you know, 16 and that's a good point. And I really believe that we need 17 to figure out a way to do something for at least two, maybe 18 three years at a time, so it -- I mean, it's pretty common 19 for people to change insurance every three years or so, 20 because, you know, things start getting out of proportion. 21 But that's something we need to look into as far as the 22 legality of how we go about doing that, but I totally agree. 23 Every year, I mean, it's too confusing, and it gets right 24 down to the eleventh hour; you do not know what your revenues 25 are, you don't know -- you know more about what your claims 1-10-11 58 1 have been, but you don't know what's -- what you're getting 2 into until right at the time to make the decision. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll put this on the agenda. 4 I'll get with H.R. and we'll put it back on the agenda. She 5 can get some other input, get some direction. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I want to give 8 somebody in here a wonderful opportunity to get to know about 9 the history of Kerr County, and bridges and roads and -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think things ought to stay 11 just like they are. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- wandering cows. I mean, 13 I think some cows have been wandering through Camp Verde in 14 the last 150 years. And -- but -- so, you know, I just want 15 to give y'all that opportunity. It's been great. It is cool 16 and -- and fun. Who wants to do it? 17 (No response.) 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. It hasn't been that 19 much fun. Okay. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Been exciting. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, golly, it's been 22 exciting. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You're hung with it. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very humbling experience. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I -- on that topic, I think 1-10-11 59 1 that it might be good early this year to discuss, the whole 2 Court, with Historical Commission as to their role. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That will happen very 4 shortly. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And things of that nature and 6 direction, and things of -- you know, kind of a broad 7 picture. That's a -- you know, and I'm right behind you in 8 setting that meeting up. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh my gosh. Jon, you're 10 just too good to me. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: In anticipation of that, do we want 12 to have co-liaisons, then, on the Historical Commission? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, I'm comfortable. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That's one reason that you 15 co'd up with Environmental Health and Animal Control, right? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's -- I saw something 17 coming down there; I figured I'd join this side. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We can take care of that one 19 okay. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: The Juvenile Detention Facility, 21 Commissioner Williams and I were liaisons with that. I'll 22 continue solely, or we can add somebody to that, if somebody 23 will give me the -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I couldn't -- I don't 25 care anything about that, but it seemed like to me -- 1-10-11 60 1 JUDGE TINLEY: You have children, haven't you? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do have children. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I do -- I'm very 5 familiar with the -- with the operation. But seems like to 6 me when we made these two appointments on there, we were in 7 the process of talking about selling the facility, selling 8 the property. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's correct. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I think that that was 11 the -- the reason we appointed two guys to negotiate that, so 12 I don't know that you need two people on there now. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's more his bailiwick 14 anyway. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's your deal. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He just of kind of puts 17 people in there. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Don't try to push this stuff 19 off on us. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He puts them in, lets them 21 out, doesn't he? He's got the revolving door. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, gentlemen. Let me see if 23 we've got this now. 911, Commissioners Baldwin and Letz. 24 AACOG, Commissioner Overby, with Commissioner Baldwin as 25 alternate. Ag Barn, Commissioners Oehler and Letz. Airport 1-10-11 61 1 Board, Commissioners Letz and Overby. Animal Control, 2 Commissioners Oehler and Letz. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Really? I didn't get that. 4 Excuse me. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Animal Control? Oehler and Letz. 6 Okay. Court Compliance, Commissioner Overby. Fire and EMS, 7 Commissioner Baldwin. Historical Commission, Commissioner 8 Baldwin. Human Resources, -- 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got to do everything. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: -- Commissioner Oehler and County 11 Judge. Information Technology, County Judge. Investment 12 Committee, County Judge, Auditor, Treasurer. Juvenile 13 Detention Facility, County Judge. Economic Development, 14 County Judge and Commissioner Overby. Law Enforcement/Jail, 15 Commissioner Baldwin. Library Board, Commissioner Letz. 16 Maintenance and Courthouse Facilities, County Judge. 17 O.S.S.F./Environmental Health, Commissioners Oehler and Letz. 18 Subdivisions, Commissioner Letz. Parks, Commissioner Overby. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second for 22 designation of the liaisons as indicated. Question or 23 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 24 your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 1-10-11 62 1 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 2 (No response.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fun. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, gentlemen. I'll bet 6 you're going to remember that Commissioner Letz said he's 7 going to be right behind you on this Historical Commission -- 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I heard that. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We'll do the printout this 10 week. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Item 13; consider, discuss take 12 appropriate action on filling 14.1 Animal Control kennel 13 worker position. Ms. Whitt, Ms. Hyde, whoever's going to run 14 with this one. 15 MS. HYDE: Within the position schedule, we've got 16 a 14.1 kennel worker position that's been open for almost six 17 weeks. It was put off till the first of the year based upon 18 a couple of discussions that had been going on with Christmas 19 and it was slow. And -- but we're -- we're getting to a 20 point now where we -- we kind of need the kennel worker. 21 It's a 14.1 position, which is less than $30,000 a year. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there any way to reshuffle 23 and delete that position permanently? 24 MS. WHITT: No. 25 MS. HYDE: We already did. 1-10-11 63 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Part of the deal is that by 2 contract with the City, we have to have two officers -- 3 MS. WHITT: Officers in the city. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- in the city at all times, 5 and it's down -- got down to where you just don't have enough 6 people to go around whenever you have to take care of the 7 facility and be on the road and have everything mandatory. 8 MS. WHITT: We have to have two in the city and 9 half in Ingram. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And half in Ingram. 11 MS. WHITT: So that leaves me short out in the 12 county. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there a possibility of a 14 short-term fix for us to budget some part-time money to do 15 that? 16 MS. HYDE: We've got a part-timer in there. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can we leave it like that until 18 we meet with the City? 'Cause I'm not sure where Animal 19 Control's going. In the city, anyway. 20 MS. WHITT: And that's in March, right, when y'all 21 are meeting with them? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, we'll meet with them 23 hopefully before that. I just hate to hire someone, you 24 know, and have a situation come up where the City's doing 25 their own animal control. 1-10-11 64 1 MS. WHITT: We can hold off. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, do you think that's 3 going to happen prior to budget time, though? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good point. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think you're -- you know, 6 you go through the rest of this year and figure out where you 7 are, you know, 1st of October, to whether we're going to need 8 less manpower or stay the same. 9 MS. WHITT: Yeah. I -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think you're right. That's 11 correct. 12 MS. WHITT: I couldn't -- I couldn't wait that 13 long. I mean, if it was a month or two -- 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, one thing they have had 15 a lot of this last year is a lot of bite cases, a lot of 16 other cases that require a lot of -- a lot of time to 17 investigate and deal with. Some of it's hoarding, instances 18 and situations that require a lot of time. And -- but the 19 bite cases have really increased, and that takes -- that 20 takes one or two people to do the investigations on those 21 things. 22 MS. HYDE: Maybe -- maybe a suggestion would be we 23 have a part-time kennel worker that works Saturday and 24 Sundays, and then we could use him perhaps on 25 Tuesday/Thursday, and the other part-timer Monday, Wednesday, 1-10-11 65 1 Friday, and let's see how that works. And then if it 2 doesn't, we could come back to the Court. Would that be 3 acceptable? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good idea. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That works. You got to have 6 enough manpower. 7 MS. HYDE: We'll have to work with the Auditor and 8 move some money around. 9 MS. WHITT: Money around. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Would the -- are you talking about 12 adding a part-time? 13 MS. HYDE: No, sir. We have -- we have an existing 14 part-time that only works two days a week, Saturday and 15 Sunday. 16 MS. WHITT: Weekends and holidays. 17 MS. HYDE: If we pull him out Saturday, Sunday, 18 Tuesday and Thursday, he gets 16 more hours a week. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 MS. HYDE: And keep them both part-time. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there any issue with the 23 14.1? Is that an entry -- that's the entry level, isn't it? 24 MS. WHITT: Right. 25 MS. HYDE: Yes, sir. 1-10-11 66 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. If it doesn't work, we 3 can -- 4 MS. WHITT: We can bring it back. 5 MS. HYDE: Well, if he's part-time -- I don't mean 6 this ugly, but we don't have to -- I mean, we can maintain it 7 where it's at, Commissioner Baldwin. Good point. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. You're going to take a 9 part-time -- make a part-time a full-time? 10 MS. HYDE: No, sir, a part-timer increases their 11 part-time hours. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Increase part-time hours. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: By 16 hours. 14 MS. WHITT: By 16 hours. 15 MS. HYDE: Tuesdays and Thursday. Then you have a 16 Monday-Wednesday-Friday person. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 18 MS. HYDE: That way we have two part-timers. It's 19 actually a full-time equivalent, but we don't have to pay 20 benefits. We can keep them less than a 14.1. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. I move approval. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Do we really need any formal action 24 on that? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 1-10-11 67 1 JUDGE TINLEY: We're not bringing on any people. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay, I withdraw my motion. 3 MS. HYDE: We're not adding a part-time position; 4 we're just extending the part-time hours. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. All right. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Department head call. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All we really have to do is a 8 budget amendment to get the funds there at a future time. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, we may have to do some funding 10 changes. Let's go to Item 14; consider, discuss, take 11 appropriate action on filling 14.1 Road and Bridge position. 12 MS. HYDE: We're back. We've been looking at it 13 for the last three months. We brought it to the Court. The 14 Court asked to us push it back until January. We're still 15 behind at Road and Bridge -- can you help me here? 16 MR. ODOM: We'll even be worse coming up to mowing 17 season. 18 MS. HYDE: Because they're still not caught up. We 19 haven't been able to do the safety issues we wanted to do; 20 we've pushed it back. Guys are still behind. The weather 21 gives us a little bit, but it doesn't appear that we're going 22 to have it real bad either this year. 23 MR. ODOM: Probably an early spring. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Doesn't that -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: You're forecasting rain? 1-10-11 68 1 MR. ODOM: Forecasting rain? 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 3 MR. ODOM: Well, I think it's going to be dry. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 5 MR. ODOM: And I think it will start popping out; 6 you're going to have a problem at Hermann Sons. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Don't be such a pessimist. 8 MR. ODOM: So pessimistic. Realistic. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: This is an existing position that 10 you have on your -- your manning board? 11 MS. HYDE: Yes, sir. 12 MR. ODOM: I've had it since last budget, and I was 13 asked to hold up on it. And then, of course, October 14 started, and one of the comments to me was -- particularly on 15 mowing, was that it was payback because I wasn't mowing. It 16 was on my own road, and I'm the last one to get mowed. It's 17 like an officer; you're the last one to eat. I'm the last 18 one to get mowed. It's just the way it is. So, that's the 19 reason that one didn't. But we had one man, and that's 20 inappropriate to leave, but I leave the most experienced 21 person, Deter, out there to do that, that I can trust and 22 feel comfortable that he's -- you know, he's doing it safely. 23 We need two people all the time when they're mowing in case 24 there is an accident. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm, safety. 1-10-11 69 1 MR. ODOM: Believe me, if there was another way to 2 do it, I wouldn't be up here. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 4 MS. HYDE: Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'll second it. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 7 approval of the agenda item. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The only comment that I'll 9 make is that we have allowed some other offices to -- to have 10 employees -- or shuffle employees, and I think that we have 11 set a precedent in that regard, and so I don't see that we 12 can deny his request to do what he thinks needs doing. 13 That's it. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other question or comment? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All in favor of the motion, signify 17 -- I'm sorry? 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just heard a comment one 19 day in a meeting here in town that -- in Leonard's area where 20 he does live up there, that -- that there's a group of folks 21 that came in and opposed the Commissioners Court on the 22 budget issue, and now we're holding that against them, so 23 we're not mowing. I actually heard that. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's in your precinct, 25 right? 1-10-11 70 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, kind of. But I just 2 thought that was kind of interesting, to -- the attitudes 3 that are out there. That's all I wanted to say. I just 4 wanted to say that, get it off my chest. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll probably have some more 6 comments along that line when they realize we're not 7 sealcoating this year and roads go down a little bit. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's right. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, you know, that's the way 10 it goes. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions or comments? 12 All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 13 hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 16 (No response.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. We'll go to 18 Item 15; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action on 19 continuation for another year of H.R. working with AirLIFE 20 and Air Evac by offering payroll deductions to employees 21 through the county payroll system. Ms. Hyde? 22 MS. HYDE: Did y'all get the backup on this, or do 23 you need copies? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Just tell us. Try telling 25 us. 1-10-11 71 1 MS. HYDE: Air Evac is offering the same deal if we 2 have the 100 people. It's a $10 off membership, so if you 3 look, I've made some copies of it. For one family member 4 household, it's 40 bucks; for two members it's 45. For 5 anything over two, it's $50. AirLIFE is remaining at $10 for 6 the county rate, which means that since there are still two, 7 when we had the big discussion last year about it, it'll 8 still be $60 for us again this year. Our contracts will be 9 up -- or renewals will be up 1st of March. So, I'd like 10 permission to do it again, put it through payroll and get it 11 out of the way. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: You had pretty good participation on 13 that last year, did you not? 14 MS. HYDE: Yes, sir. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: What were the numbers on it? Do you 16 recall, roughly? Ballpark? 17 MS. HYDE: I want to say it was 125 to 150 folks. 18 And then we went ahead and added people throughout. There 19 wasn't -- there wasn't a real -- on the $10, it was $10. 20 There was a little bit of a cut rate if they joined later 21 with the other service, but not much. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 23 MS. HYDE: That way we're covered in both areas. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We need a new contract signed? 1-10-11 72 1 MS. HYDE: We didn't sign one last year. It's just 2 an agreement. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does the County Judge need to 4 sign something? 5 MS. HYDE: He might. Can I get permission to have 6 him sign it if needed? The County Attorney will, of course, 7 review it before anyone signs it. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 11 approval of the agenda item, to continue offering those 12 services to the employees, with any contract to be reviewed 13 by the County Attorney, executed by the County Judge. 14 Question or discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify 15 by raising your right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 18 (No response.) 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. We have several 20 executive session items. We'll go -- we have an addendum. 21 We'll go to Item 19; to consider, discuss, take appropriate 22 action regarding H.R. Director participating in a Hill 23 Country Benefits Consortium on potential merits of Chapter 24 791, Interlocal Cooperation Act, for development of a group 25 medical plan. 1-10-11 73 1 MS. HYDE: I gave this backup as well. Received a 2 letter from the City that y'all should have gotten as your 3 backup, and they're having a meeting. They want to do -- 4 they want to talk about having a consortium for insurance, 5 and the City would be the administrators. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Putting several employers together 7 into one group, as it were. 8 MS. HYDE: The City of Fredericksburg, the City of 9 Boerne, the City of Junction, the City of Fair Oaks Ranch, 10 the City of Bandera, KPUB -- which I didn't understand, 11 because I thought KPUB was already considered part of the 12 city -- Kendall County, Gillespie County, and Kerr County. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: This is just to authorize you to 14 participate in a meeting to discuss those? 15 MS. HYDE: And a partner. And it states in the 16 letter that it's for city managers and mayors, H.R. 17 directors, finance directors, benefit directors, county 18 government, county court members. Would you like to go? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I wouldn't. But didn't 20 -- I didn't hear the City of Kerrville in there. 21 MS. HYDE: Oh, they're the ones hosting it, sir. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't think we ought to 24 authorize you to be a partner in it until we see what we're 25 getting into. 1-10-11 74 1 MS. HYDE: No. No, I need a partner to go with. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, you need a partner. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Just participating. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, you're the H.R. 5 liaison, so I think it's you. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, well, thanks a lot. 7 MS. HYDE: I think the Auditor needs to go. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the Auditor. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, well, thank you. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You signed up for it. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay, I'll go. That's what I 12 get for opening my mouth. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: This is a listening opportunity. 14 MS. HYDE: Big time. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, okay. Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that's good. Those 17 three would be good. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think it ought to be good. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Do we really need any formal action 20 on this? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, 'cause he's the liaison for 22 H.R. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just wait; your time's 1-10-11 75 1 coming. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Section 4 of the agenda, 3 payment of bills. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we pay the bills. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to pay the 7 bills. Question or discussion on the motion? All in favor 8 of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion carried. We don't have 13 any budget amendments, do we? 14 MS. HARGIS: No. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Do we have any late bills? 16 MS. HARGIS: No. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: I've been presented with monthly 18 reports from Kerr County Payroll for December 2010; 19 Constable, Precinct 1; County Clerk; District Clerk; 20 Environmental Health; and Justice of the Peace, Precinct 3. 21 Do I hear a motion that these reports as indicated be 22 approved as presented? 23 MS. HARGIS: I've got a -- 24 MS. HYDE: We have one more report to add, please, 25 sir. 1-10-11 76 1 MS. HARGIS: Health insurance. 2 MS. HYDE: Health insurance reimbursements. 3 MS. HARGIS: It's coming around, Judge. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: And we've just been handed a health 5 insurance reimbursement activity report to be included in 6 those. Do I hear a motion that all of the designated reports 7 be approved as presented? 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Motion made. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 11 approval. Question or discussion? 12 MS. HARGIS: I have some discussion. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Would you like to do that 14 before we vote? 15 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. 17 MS. HARGIS: First of all, I've handed you out as 18 well a report on the sales tax. The significant part of it 19 would be to go from October, November, and December, compare 20 2010 to 2009. We are coming up a little bit, so that is a -- 21 I did want to make you aware of that. We also checked some 22 of our fees, but not all of our fees. They're coming up, or 23 at least stable, as stable as they were last year. On the 24 group insurance, again, this is through actually Friday 25 morning. I think there were some things that happened on 1-10-11 77 1 Friday, but they're not in here. We are showing cash-wise 2 that we have transferred 545,000, or that's what we're kind 3 of in the hole there on. Budget-wise, we're still in budget, 4 but we're actually 373,000 ahead of where we should be at 5 this time. So, hopefully, if we get some of our 6 reimbursements towards -- you know, and we've talked about 7 this, over a six-month period on some of our stop loss 8 payments, that will help. I think we're going to be -- I 9 think we'll reach budget. I think it'll be a little tight, 10 and we won't be able to see that until probably June. I 11 think our runoffs, just based on the fact that I have -- I 12 know a lot of folks went to their doctors the last week of 13 December, so we're going to have runoffs for a while, and 14 we'll keep reporting these the best that we can. 15 The only other thing I would note is we did pay in 16 one of these transfers an initial advance premium of 151,000, 17 which is the premium that will really go to pay December, so 18 we won't really owe anything this December of next year. So, 19 for this -- so that's kind of really like a prepayment, so we 20 can kind of remove that from the mix. We prepaid one month 21 in advance. It's kind of standard for us to do. So, if you 22 take that 151 off of the 545, it's not quite as bad. But 23 it's just a target. It's a moving target, and we're just 24 trying to keep up with it for you so you can kind of see. 25 So, it's just an interesting dynamic. We don't know what's 1-10-11 78 1 going to come in. We do -- you know, as far as claims, I'm 2 talking about. 3 MS. HYDE: We've got -- right now, gentlemen, on 4 this, that's why we -- Mindy and I put this together. You 5 need to understand that since October 1st, we have put 6 $350,000 back into the fund. So, I want to caution you that 7 we don't expect a huge dollar amount, because we're eating it 8 just as fast as we can eat it. Right now we've got another 9 $140,000 out there that should be coming back to us in the 10 next 30 days. And that's -- those are large dollar claims; 11 that's not the smaller stuff that we're dealing with. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything further on those? 13 MS. HARGIS: That's all I have. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Any further question or discussion 15 on the motion to approve the reports as presented? All in 16 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 17 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 19 (No response.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Thank you. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Can I ask a question on 22 the -- regarding the report that we haven't heard? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Hmm? 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Diane, what is our collection 25 up to this point on our property taxes, percentage-wise? Do 1-10-11 79 1 you know? 2 MS. BOLIN: The last percentage I got was the end 3 of December, and it was at 33.2. We're about a third, and 4 we've got several mortgage companies that have not paid yet. 5 So, we're actually down a little bit, because normally they 6 pay by the end of December. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you talking about the mortgage 8 servicing companies? 9 MS. BOLIN: Yes, sir. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Then you still have a big 11 influx of January 29th or so. That still coming? 12 MS. BOLIN: Yes. And just an F.Y.I. We did begin 13 collecting for Ingram School at noon last Friday. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Kind of a hurry-up deal, wasn't it? 15 MS. BOLIN: Yes, very much so. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to Section 5, 17 reports from Commissioners in connection with their liaison 18 assignments. Buster, do you have anything for us? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Next Monday we should 20 finalize the presentation -- ESD meeting to finalize the 21 presentation to Commissioners Court. It was scheduled for 22 this morning, but even I can't be in two places at once. One 23 thing I want you guys to think about is when -- when we make 24 this presentation, we're going to make it to kind of the 25 community, or -- you know, it's to the Commissioners Court, 1-10-11 80 1 but I'm -- personally, I'm thinking that we really need to 2 put our arms around volunteer fire departments, all those 3 people that will really be involved in this, fire and 4 ambulance and ESD's and that whole thing, in case -- so that 5 in case Commissioners Court decides to move forward to try to 6 do one, then we'll already have that partnership out there. 7 So, if we -- if we go the route of inviting volunteer firemen 8 and departments and whoever else y'all want to invite, we'll 9 probably -- in my mind, we need to do that in an evening 10 setting. Give everybody the opportunity to get off of work 11 and drink a bunch of beer and then come over here. So, I 12 want you to be thinking about that. Personally, I think that 13 we need to do an evening meeting, and invite as many 14 people -- I mean, get as many people as we can in on the 15 ground floor of this thing. So, it'll be coming very soon, 16 gentlemen. Thank you. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: And hopefully we'll have enough 18 advance notice that we can start trying to round these folks 19 up and get them here. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We'll take care of that. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If that's what y'all want. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Overby? 1-10-11 81 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Well, I just -- again, as 2 just getting our official assignments for our committees, I 3 will let you know that even waiting on those appointments 4 today, it's still been very busy last week. I will let you 5 know that, again, as far as the AACOG is concerned, I've had 6 several discussions with several members of their 7 organization down there as well, and as far as the Airport 8 Board, getting caught up to speed with what things are going 9 on out there. And, again, I think working with those 10 meetings as they're coming up, economic development, with 11 that appointment, I know that one thing that's going to be 12 coming out in the paper the next few weeks, and not jumping 13 too far ahead, is that we'll be -- right now, with our 14 economic partners locally here, we're looking at putting our 15 fourth trip going to Washington, D.C. the second week in 16 February. And, again, we've made a lot of strides in those 17 efforts to help on funding for especially our U.S.D.A. 18 facility. 19 And I think a lot of that connection is we're 20 talking about what the infrastructure is in east Kerr County 21 right now. Having that experience, going through the 22 feasibility study and the design and engineering phase with 23 our U.S.D.A. lab has been beneficial as we get ready to start 24 working on this. And, Commissioner Letz, I look forward to 25 working with you on this project. But the D.C. trip is 1-10-11 82 1 coming up, and I think it would be very beneficial not only 2 for the U.S.D.A., but several things that are here with 3 Kerrville and Kerr County that are impacted by those things. 4 Otherwise, just very -- very busy. I'll let you know that, 5 of course, we're meeting with several folks also that are in 6 our precinct. I'll be visiting with -- follow up with our 7 Camp Verde Store, possibility of expansion, and also visiting 8 with our Kerr County Historical Commission. And I think the 9 key, again, is partnering. And looking forward to working 10 together as we try to help our -- our sectors out in our 11 communities to grow and those type of things. So, we'll be 12 -- we'll be very busy. Jumping right in, right off the bat, 13 and so I just let you know. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Commissioner Letz? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A few things. You will recall 16 that in December -- I think it was December, we did a 17 resolution about the Habitat Conservation Plan Bexar County's 18 working on. I had a meeting with Commissioner Wolff. He 19 called me, wanted to have a one-on-one meeting about that. I 20 won't go into a lot of the details, but overall, they were 21 very supportive of the resolution. They understood it, 22 understood why we took it, why we voted on it, and they said 23 they appreciated our input. So, you know, just -- the 24 other -- my other hat as the chair of the C.A.C., we just 25 keep going, try to come up with a plan that Bexar County can 1-10-11 83 1 submit. So, that was -- it was a very good meeting. This 2 Friday, the Hill County Coalition has a meeting in Boerne at 3 their location. I think it would be a good one to go to, if 4 anyone has the time, for a couple reasons. One, the agenda 5 is -- is kind of back to where it was at our first meeting; 6 it's kind of broad based. And there's no -- I think that 7 group was kind of really focused on some legislation last 8 round, last couple years. I think that legislation is 9 possibly still going forward. I think Doug Miller may be 10 carrying that for Bandera County, a similar type bill. I 11 haven't seen it, but that's -- but that's not going to be the 12 focal point of this meeting. It's going to really be looking 13 at other things that are going on in the Hill Country that we 14 can maybe work together on. I was very excited to see that 15 Ed Vaughan's the kind of keynote speaker. He is chairman of 16 the Water Development Board, and from Boerne. He would be 17 a -- 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Good person to meet. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- very important person for 20 Kerr County, considering the grants we have lined up in 21 Austin at the Water Development Board. I think -- I was very 22 happy to have him there. And I think they're also -- they're 23 trying to come up with someone to give an up -- or kind of an 24 overview of bills that are pending or already have been filed 25 with the Legislature. The usual suspects -- Jim Allison, 1-10-11 84 1 Paulson -- are not available. I think they're trying to find 2 probably some -- a lobbyist, which is a different 3 perspective, but someone to come down and that is aware of 4 everything, and kind of give an overview for -- especially on 5 county authority, that type of legislation. Wearing my water 6 hat, I've got a -- I talk with the League of Women Voters, I 7 think in March -- I guess March. March 19th, I believe, and 8 then also Leadership Kerr County in February. I've got to 9 talk with them on how Kerr County's going to meet our water 10 needs with the anticipated population growth. And on the 11 sewer project, Commissioner Overby and I will be getting with 12 the County Judge to get that letter for the extension off 13 this week. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: The county-to-county meeting is at 15 10 o'clock there at their new park? 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 10:00 to 2:00, I think. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 10:00 to 2:00. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 10:00 to 2:00. I plan to 19 attend. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They also have pretty good food 21 up there. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The keynote luncheon speaker, 23 if I'm not mistaken, is at 1 o'clock. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's good -- it's a good 25 opportunity to meet our other commissioners. There's been 1-10-11 85 1 some turnover in some of the these counties, and it would be 2 -- you know, the judges, commissioners. Just to get a 3 dialogue of what's going on. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: And that'll be there at their new 5 park in Welfare? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Mansion on the hill? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Mansion on the hill. That's 10 all I have. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Beautiful location. Okay. 12 Commissioner Oehler? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Not a whole lot, other than 14 the dam repairs are almost done, and -- and I believe Tim got 15 all the electrical done out at the new arena. 16 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And Road and Bridge did all 18 the blade work, of course, out at the Ag Barn, cleaned up all 19 the old arena mess, and I think we need to talk about at some 20 point probably doing something to plant grass or something on 21 that before it turns into a mud pit. Maybe the Judge can 22 kind of push that along a little bit, see if there's any 23 funds available. Mr. Maintenance guy over here will -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: A little excess funds in the 25 capital -- the courthouse grounds, where we redid this here. 1-10-11 86 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We got a little in the Ag 2 Barn too; we can do it right. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Might get with the -- get with 4 Maintenance Department on some choices of things that will be 5 good to plant. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It could be that they might 7 be -- they did blade off all of the loose stuff and pile it 8 up for Roy to use for garden soil for his Master Gardener 9 program, and it looks -- you know, everybody did a really 10 nice job. Kendnel Kasper did, and Road and Bridge did. It 11 really looks nice. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: The water tank, did it come down? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Did the water tank come down 14 yet? 15 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I have a suggestion, before 17 Mr. -- Kendnel Kasper moves his big excavator, that that 18 could be pulled down very quickly. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Is the excavator still there? 20 MR. BOLLIER: It was -- it was as of last week. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, that's Jenschke's excavator, 22 and I talked to one of his people after I passed that along 23 to Dite Steinruck with Kendnel Kasper, and within a matter of 24 minutes, I got a call from him and said, you know, when you 25 go to move that excavator, wouldn't take you but a second 1-10-11 87 1 to -- to pull that over, and be done more safely that way and 2 kick up the slab that it's on, and maybe drop that bucket two 3 or three times on the -- on the tank. And that concrete will 4 be smaller and easier to load. He said, "I understand where 5 you're coming from." So... 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, I guess whenever they get 7 ready to move it, maybe we'll see. 8 MR. BOLLIER: It was still there as of last week. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: As long as it's not missing 11 yet, we still have a chance. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Put the boots on the excavator. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okey-doke. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? Why don't we take 15 about a 20-minute recess. We'll come back and do our 16 executive session items then. 17 (Recess taken from 10:43 a.m. to 11:05 a.m.) 18 - - - - - - - - - - 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's come back to order, if 20 we might. We were in our recess. Let me go back to Items 2 21 and 3. Mr. Marvin Willis asked that these items be placed on 22 the agenda. I definitely want Mr. Willis here for Item 3. 23 Item 2, there's ample time for us to act on that, so if 24 Mr. Willis is not here, I'm going to go ahead and pass on 25 those items. 1-10-11 88 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, on those, I visited with 2 Ray Buck a little bit about those items. I didn't want to -- 3 you know, just discussed them in general. And that could be 4 part of the reason. They're looking at some other things at 5 U.G.R.A. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Collaborations? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay, that's good. Anything 9 else other than the executive session items, gentlemen? The 10 Sheriff wants to give us a report. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Like I just normally do every 12 time, Judge. Just kind of -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Being the liaison, I 14 appreciate you doing that. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I appreciate that, Buster, 16 especially with the new commissioner. We do -- we're still 17 looking good. Total population as of 8 o'clock this morning 18 was 128 in-house, three at Vernon or Rusk. Fifteen of the 19 128 are females. That's the only one that we get kind 20 of scary on when it goes up much more than 15, 'cause the max 21 is 32, and with only four cells to classify out of, that gets 22 sticky. A couple of things that -- and the longest term 23 inmate right now is only one year, where if you will 24 remember, we were having them up to almost two years, so I 25 think the courts are moving a little bit quicker. 1-10-11 89 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is the -- is the jail court 2 a part of that? 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's actually doing what 5 it's designed to do. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It does help move them along. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Super news. And they've 8 moved -- moved that back to Friday, I understand. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. Right. So, those are 10 working good. A couple of issues you may want to be aware 11 of. Since we've been pretty dry and didn't really have rain 12 -- right after Christmas, we had that little, bitty rain 13 shower. I haven't been over this morning since we had rain, 14 but the new annex building, right after Christmas, still had 15 six roof leaks throughout that building. We did contact the 16 architect and the construction company, Kendnel Kasper. I 17 haven't heard what they're going to do, and I haven't been 18 over there this morning to see how much roof leaks we had. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: What area? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: All over. This time they 21 showed up in the probation side. You had -- I think two 22 showed up in probation, and four in the Sheriff's Office side 23 of -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: God. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- the building, all different 1-10-11 90 1 places. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: First I heard of that. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Not pleased with that. So 4 we've got some concerns over the roof still, before all the 5 stuff is finished and paid for. The only other thing is that 6 fence is still ongoing. I did check with T.D.C. to see where 7 they are. They're still manufacturing the arms that will 8 come off that roofline on the far side of that annex building 9 to -- you know, to put that serpentine wire on. One thing 10 that I would like for the Court to keep in mind is, once the 11 fence is built, I think the Court knows it's my intention to 12 put in a garden up there on that flat area behind the jail, 13 because it will all be fenced. And I think at that time, 14 between the outside trustee program and maybe some help with 15 the maintenance, we will necessarily have to do some 16 trenching up there, and maybe with Road and Bridge, and lay 17 in some water lines up there to get that going. I don't 18 expect that cost to be great. And I'm not going to build any 19 other fences, and once we get that cost done, then a lot of 20 the equipment for maintaining that garden, such as water 21 hose, tillers, things like that, can be purchased out of the 22 inmate commissary account, our proceeds from it, which have 23 to be spent back on inmate use for programs or things like 24 that, which gardening can be. So, those type of costs won't 25 cost the County anything for that, so I think it'll be very 1-10-11 91 1 advantageous to have that program once we get going. Now 2 that y'all gave me Buster, maybe he'll get his wish while 3 he's my liaison, and get a garden. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's right, that garden. 5 We've only been talking about it for 75 years. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, it's been pretty close. 7 But other than that, I don't think that we have anything else 8 that's really pressing. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Thank you. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Any other elected 12 officials or department heads have any reports? 13 MR. GARCIA: Yes. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Mr. Garcia? 15 MR. GARCIA: These are the end-of-year numbers for 16 Solid Waste from the two officers, from Jesse Guerra and from 17 James Lang. The total numbers this year was by far on record 18 the highest year for complaints, and in everybody's precinct. 19 First we'll start with Jesse Guerra's. Total solid waste new 20 cases for the year is 526. And you'll see that on the report 21 that I'd given y'all, or that we do on a monthly basis, but 22 these are broken down. For Jesse's, it's going to be 256. 23 Solid waste follow-up cases is 1,106. Closed cases, 205. 24 And, of course, court citations is five. Jesse worked in 25 Precinct 1, 337; Precinct 2, 522; Precinct 3, 109; and 1-10-11 92 1 Precinct 4, 368. Now, these cases are ongoing. Of course, 2 the 205 that are closed out are closed, and then the 3 subsequent work on these other cases in everybody's precinct, 4 where again, by law, the 31 days, and then after the 31 days, 5 these people generally request extensions, so they work with 6 them to get the end result of abating the problem -- the 7 nuisance, illegal dumping or any other kind of violation, 8 Clean Water Act or Clean Air Act. Repeat cases for Jesse 9 Guerra was 141. So, out of those 256, 141 of those are 10 repeat offenders. And, again, we're constantly working with 11 these people. Again, by this time, we either file in County 12 Court at Law or we file on them in J.P. court. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How can you be a repeat 14 offender? 15 MR. GARCIA: Just allow the nuisance to be created 16 again. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: In the same place? 18 MR. GARCIA: Right, in the same place. And, 19 again -- it's a good question. And some of these people are 20 illegal dumpers that we end up finding their trash somewhere 21 else in the county. And, again, you know, they get filed on. 22 So, for Jesse Guerra, those were his numbers. Deputy Lang, 23 268 total new cases, 1,095 follow-up on those cases. Solid 24 waste closed were 224, and court citations is 171. Total 25 cases in Precinct 1 were 362; Precinct 2, 420; Precinct 3, 1-10-11 93 1 121; and Precinct 4, 460. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why are their numbers so 3 much higher than mine? 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You don't have as big a 5 space. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Shoot. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: In the city of Kerrville. 8 MR. GARCIA: And his repeat cases were 130, for 9 repeat offenders. Again, for Deputy Lang, the -- in each of 10 your precincts, he files with the respective J.P., or he will 11 file with the D.A. or the County Attorney, and depending on 12 the size and the amount of the violation. He also -- the 13 follow-up cases in O.S.S.F. for Deputy Lang, since he is law 14 enforcement and he is the one that actually files the cases 15 with the J.P.'s or with the County Attorney, is 82 for 16 O.S.S.F.; 21 of those were closed. A lot of these were -- 46 17 of those were court citations for violations of servicing 18 effluent or altering the permitted system. And for Precinct 19 1, we had 50 violations; Precinct 2, we had 33; for Precinct 20 3, we had 22; and for Precinct 4, 10. In Precinct 1, you 21 were the highest. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I won that one, didn't I? 23 MR. GARCIA: You got that one. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's not one you want to 25 win, was it? 1-10-11 94 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I realize the number -- the 2 reason my numbers are lower is because probably my 3 constituency are cleaner, and my prayer and fasting for -- 4 for the taxpayers of Kerr County. I care more than others. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Doesn't have anything to do 6 with most of it's inside the city of Kerrville. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The brass band is tuning up. 8 MR. GARCIA: We've issued out 36 illegal dumping 9 signs. We have signs that we give to the public so they can 10 post in their areas. And to try to, I guess, for lack of a 11 better word, mitigate, to soften the illegal dumping. But 12 that's just part of what we do, and that's always going to be 13 there. So, again, this year was -- was the biggest year on 14 record that I have since starting in 2007. Again, by far as 15 beating all the other years up to this point. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I want to say just real quick 18 to Commissioners Court, I had an opportunity to go with Ray 19 last Friday morning and go around and look, and, of course, 20 especially in Precinct 2, and I just -- just coming in, 21 obviously, being the new guy on the block coming in, I 22 just -- as Judge Tinley read a letter of commendation and 23 support to Ray and the Environmental Department. You guys 24 downstairs are doing a fantastic job. I'm just impressed, 25 and I know that you're continuing to work with the repeat 1-10-11 95 1 offenders and those things in these neighborhoods, and 2 showing where it's come in just a couple of years. You're to 3 be commended, again, and your department, for the hard work 4 that you folks are doing to help clean up and help Kerr 5 County in these areas, and so I look forward to working with 6 you, Ray, and your department during these years that I'm 7 appointed. 8 MR. GARCIA: Thank you. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Maybe you ought to tell him 10 about the contractor; send some people down to pick up the 11 trash. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. Could you get the 13 trash picked up for me over at Flat Rock? I've got it 14 sitting in a dumpster over there. We'll make another call 15 here shortly. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. Well, if you need more 17 help, I'll call again too. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: All right. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Any other -- 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thanks, Ray. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: -- department heads, so forth? If 22 not, I will -- we'll go out of public or open session at 23 11:18 for the purpose of going into executive or closed 24 session to consider Items 16, 17, and 18. First one we'll 25 consider is Item 18. 1-10-11 96 1 (The open session was closed at 11:18 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 2 is contained in a separate document.) 3 - - - - - - - - - - 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's go back into open or 5 public session at 11:40. With regard to Item Number 16, does 6 anybody on the Court have any -- any formal action to be 7 proposed with regard to Item 16? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, Judge. I'd like to make 9 a motion that we retain Stephen Harpold as legal counsel 10 regarding the Ingram Lake issue with Bill Vlasek. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion. Do I hear a 12 second? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll second it. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. 15 Question or discussion on the motion? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question. Is there a -- a 17 dollar amount that we're going to put in here at this point, 18 or -- 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It will just be by the hour. 20 He's already up to speed on all of this. It's not like he's 21 taking on a brand-new -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's the hourly rate that 23 we're being charged? 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I do not know the hourly 25 rate, but it's the normal, usual -- probably 150? 1-10-11 97 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we need to -- I mean, I 2 have no problem going forward, but we need to get that, I 3 think at our next meeting, confirmed as to what -- 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The hourly rate is. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the hourly rate is. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: With an engagement letter, 7 employment contract. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Engagement letter/contract. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Have him proceed, but -- 10 A.S.A.P. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A.S.A.P. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Bring it back with the 13 agreement. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And figure out how we're going 15 to pay him. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. Believe me, I hope 17 it's not much. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's just nice to have, you 19 know, kind of a not-to-exceed number in one of these type 20 deals. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I understand. Contingent on 22 the not-to-exceed the amount of -- $5,000? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Do you want to cap it right 24 now for 5,000? 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, I think we need to move 1-10-11 98 1 forward. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can always change it. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other question or 4 discussion on the motion? All in favor of the motion, 5 signify by raising your right hand. 6 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 7 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 8 (No response.) 9 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. In lieu of 10 the action on Item 17, do we need to take any action on -- 11 excuse me, on Item 16 action, do we need to take any action 12 on Item 17? Other than to -- 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Other than just -- 14 JUDGE TINLEY: -- to authorize counsel as retained 15 to proceed forward? But I think that's probably implied 16 under 16, isn't it? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Pretty well implied. So, I 18 move -- 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- that we authorize counsel 21 to move forward. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 24 indicated. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 25 raising your right hand. 1-10-11 99 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Item 18? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, he didn't raise his 6 right hand. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It was there. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, I didn't see it. Okay. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Anybody have anything to offer in 10 connection with Item 18? 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Watch it. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What is 18? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Do we need to -- 14 JUDGE TINLEY: On the appraisals. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- to authorize that an 16 appraisal be sought? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And a dollar amount brought 19 back or something like that at the future -- next meeting? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion to authorize 21 Commissioner Oehler to contact an appraiser, to come back to 22 Commissioners Court to approve hiring that appraiser. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded. I assume 25 you're talking about for county -- Kerr County -- property 1-10-11 100 1 that Kerr County owns in the city of Ingram, and property 2 that we intend to purchase in the city of Ingram? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, property that we may -- 4 that we're looking at purchasing. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Question or discussion? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about sending Ingram a 7 bill for all these years? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good luck. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 22 past years. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All in favor of the motion, signify 13 by raising your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 16 (No response.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Twenty-five years at $99 a 19 year, heck, that might pay for the appraiser. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It might, or it could. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Need to get with Rob as to what 22 he's going to require. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else, gentlemen? Further 25 action to come before the Court at this meeting? We'll be 1-10-11 101 1 adjourned. 2 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:45 a.m.) 3 - - - - - - - - - - 4 STATE OF TEXAS | 5 COUNTY OF KERR | 6 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 7 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 8 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 9 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 10 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 13th day of January, 11 2011. 12 13 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 14 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 15 Certified Shorthand Reporter 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 1-10-11