1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Tuesday, December 27, 2011 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X December 27, 2011 2 PAGE 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 3 4 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on updated plans for renovations at Hill Country 5 Youth Exhibit Center 6 6 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to reappoint Ben Alves and Linda Garrett to ESD #2 7 Board of Commissioners for two-year terms 24 8 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve contracts with Dietert Center, CASA, 9 Big Brothers and Sisters, Families & Literacy, Inc., and Castle Lake Volunteer Fire Department; 10 allow the County Judge to sign same 25 11 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding pending litigation matter, Kerr County, 12 Texas vs. eGovernment Technologies, Inc., et. al. (Executive Session) -- 13 4.1 Pay Bills 26 14 4.2 Budget Amendments 31 4.3 Late Bills 32 15 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 32 16 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee Assignments 33 17 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 43 18 --- Adjourned 44 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Tuesday, December 27, 2011, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's come to order, if we 8 might. Let me call to order this regular meeting of the Kerr 9 County Commissioners Court posted and scheduled for this date 10 and time, Tuesday, December 27th, 2011, at 9 a.m. It is that 11 time now. Commissioner Letz? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Would everyone please stand and 13 join me in a moment of prayer, followed by the pledge. 14 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Please be seated. At 16 this time, if there's any member of the Court that -- any 17 member of the audience, excuse me, or public that wishes to 18 be heard on any matter which is not a listed agenda item, 19 this is your opportunity to come tell us what's on your mind. 20 If you wish to be heard on an agenda item, we'd ask that you 21 fill out a participation form. There should be some located 22 at the rear of the room. That helps me know that there is 23 someone who wishes to be heard on that item. It's not 24 essential. If we get to that item and you have not filled 25 out a participation form, get my attention in some manner and 12-27-11 4 1 I'll be sure and give you the opportunity to be heard. But 2 right now, if there's any member of the public that wishes to 3 be heard on any matter which is not a listed agenda item, 4 this is your opportunity to come forward, give us your name 5 and address, and tell us what's on your mind. Seeing no one 6 coming forward, we will move on. Commissioner Letz, what do 7 you have for us this morning? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a whole lot of things I'm 9 working on, but most of that will hold off till our next 10 meeting. I appreciate everyone on the Court and courthouse 11 for keeping our agenda very short today. The next one, I'm 12 afraid, is going to be a little bit longer. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, we had two long ones 15 just... 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, just the things we got to 19 talk about this morning on the arena thing, but other than 20 that -- we'll talk about that at the appropriate time. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All right, sir. Commissioner 22 Baldwin? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I do have a 24 couple of things I wanted to talk about, and the next meeting 25 is one of those. I just wanted to alert y'all that -- that I 12-27-11 5 1 want to, as we had talked about a couple of weeks ago, have 2 the discussion about the certificate of obligations in the 3 past and the one coming up, and in some detail if we could. 4 And -- hi, y'all come in. And -- and it will kind of not 5 only enlighten us, but give the community an opportunity to 6 know what we're doing and visit about these things. Plus at 7 that meeting, I'm going to bring up some information on the 8 ESD; it's time to start talking about that. And, you know, I 9 want to talk about -- of course, this Court will make all 10 these decisions, but some simple things, like the law says 11 that once the thing is put into place, the Commissioners 12 Court shall appoint the board of directors, and I want to 13 kick around with y'all about the possibility of a five-man 14 board -- possibility of the Commissioners Court appointing 15 three members, and see -- and visit with the City to see if 16 they would like to present a couple of names to us, and us 17 appoint them for representation for the city of Kerrville as 18 well. That's just some of the -- that's just one of the 19 things that I want to talk about and visit with you guys 20 about, and see if we can't get this thing off of -- off of 21 home plate and get it moving around the bases. So, that's 22 all I wanted to talk about today. Thank you. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Good. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Overby? 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Just basically enjoying the 12-27-11 6 1 Christmas holidays. I've had a chance to take in a lot of 2 different services in our community over the last few weeks, 3 like everybody else, and it's been a great Christmas, and I 4 look forward to 2012 year as it comes close. That's it. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Hope everyone had a good Christmas, 6 safe Christmas. Looking forward to a new year, and hopefully 7 a better year. Let's get on with our agenda, if we might, 8 and go to Item 1; to consider, discuss, take appropriate 9 action on updated plans for renovations at the Hill Country 10 Youth Exhibit Center. Commissioner Oehler? 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, thank you, Judge. This 12 was done -- I believe I was authorized last meeting, maybe 13 the meeting before, to go ahead and proceed with having a 14 floor plan drawn. We met with 4-H folks and met with stock 15 show people, and we came up with a basic design, and so I 16 took that and gave it to our architect, Peter Lewis, who has 17 now presented us with the very first rendition of the revised 18 plan. And I guess the other thing we need to talk about that 19 has to do with this project is the fact that I think last 20 meeting, we -- not last meeting, this meeting; we need to 21 talk about the fact that if we go forward with doing the new 22 show barn part of this plan, then we can leave the existing 23 exhibit hall so that it doesn't disrupt all of the people 24 that have booked that facility for the year of 2012. I don't 25 think we realized -- I sure didn't realize how much that was 12-27-11 7 1 going to inconvenience people and what they had done to 2 already put out flyers and schedule dates for a lot of events 3 that have been coming on an annual basis. And so, you know, 4 my proposal would be to just do the exhibit barn part of 5 it -- not exhibit barn, the show barn part first, and leave 6 that exhibit hall standing, and continue to utilize it 7 through construction, if we see that we can afford to go 8 forward with the new show barn. And then if we're able to do 9 that, then next year, anything that goes on in the exhibit 10 hall could be held in the new show barn, so that nobody would 11 have to reschedule or have a cancelation of the events of 12 people that have been booking with us for years. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I ask a question? 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, sir. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The show barn, it says on 16 here, "line of existing." Is that existing wall? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's where the old one is, 18 that faded line. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That is the existing old 21 barn. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The wall. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The wall. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. So -- 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The dark lines would be the 12-27-11 8 1 new -- would be the brand-new one. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, it's coming out here 3 now? 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Coming out another -- how 5 many feet? Another 80 feet. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 80 feet. Another third. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 80 feet. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And how -- how much 9 additional this way? 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's really just wider. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It doesn't extend out any 12 further? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Doesn't really extend. It's 14 going to be even with the old existing indoor arena. It's 15 going to -- what's proposed here is 210 foot long by 240 feet 16 wide. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Which is almost 50,000 square 19 feet. The existing building is nowhere near that size. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Bruce, I'm sorry. Would you 21 give me that number again? The -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 240 by 210. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 210. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: In the current one right now, 25 Bruce, isn't it 29,000? 12-27-11 9 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, something like that. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It's very small. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's a little over half the 4 size of the proposed new barn. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And that would -- do you -- 7 you don't ever rent that particular facility? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You can't. 9 MS. GRINSTEAD: I assume it's what people refer to 10 as the "hog barn" also. Maybe twice a year. It's nothing 11 that's rented very often. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But as far as you know, if 13 we tear that down and start rebuilding it, it's not going 14 to -- I mean, you don't have anything booked in there, huh? 15 MS. GRINSTEAD: I'll have to look. I haven't 16 really -- 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The only thing that I know of 18 that gets booked in there, they have a couple of prospect 19 shows and sales, like hogs. Whenever they sell pigs, you 20 know, for show animals, they'll have, like, a lamb sale or 21 a -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- or hog sale there, but 24 there's no reason they can't hold that in the existing indoor 25 arena, with all the portables that we have out there that the 12-27-11 10 1 stock show owns that they allow us to use. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bruce, in the area where the 3 offices are going to be, -- 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Mm-hmm. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- how does that -- 'cause 6 currently that -- I don't know what you want to call it -- 7 that mishmash of stuff that connects the two buildings right 8 there, where does this start going this way? I mean, are we 9 going to tear some of that out for this, or -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It will all come out. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Eventually, I know it all comes 12 out, but how much of that is in the show barn part of it? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: None. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: None of it? All that's up in 15 the upper front area? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: None of it. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Including the concession stands 18 up in the front area? 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's all the front area. 20 And this wall -- this is the existing wall. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And so it doesn't have any -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So it's all -- 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I haven't actually looked at 25 how those buildings are tied together. We were out there the 12-27-11 11 1 other day. There's a cold joint there, so tearing down the 2 existing hog barn walls will not affect the wall that is now 3 the -- the wail of the indoor exhibit hall. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Lewis, if we make the decision 6 to go forward on the show barn portion, can that construction 7 aspect be staged without interrupting the ability to use the 8 exhibit hall? 9 MR. LEWIS: Yes, sir. We've discussed that, and 10 you would -- you would tie -- it would be flush up against 11 that. You'd have an obscure wall that would come down to the 12 top of the exhibit hall for the interim, for whatever period 13 of time, and flash into that roof, and move on. And then 14 when it's time to do something with the exhibit hall and 15 expand it, then you'd tear off that end -- that end wall and 16 expand it out front. But Commissioner Oehler envisions it as 17 just one continuous ridge that's the same heighth as the 18 indoor arena, and then -- and then where the two of those 19 connect, a seamless gutter at the roofline. So, it's pretty 20 straightforward. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: So, the staging is such that as long 22 as you provide some sort of barriers -- 23 MR. LEWIS: Yes. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: -- and safety -- 25 MR. LEWIS: Right. Yes, sir. 12-27-11 12 1 JUDGE TINLEY: -- precautions, why, that can be 2 done, and continue the use of the exhibit hall as it exists 3 now without a great deal of dysfunction? 4 MR. LEWIS: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Good. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It will take out that -- that 7 concrete passage between the buildings where the wash racks 8 are now and all that. That'll all be gone, and the two 9 buildings will join. And the proposal is to hopefully catch 10 rainwater off this thing. And one of the provisions in this 11 plan that I've talked to a couple of metal building companies 12 about is a welded, galvanized gutter that ties the two, where 13 you catch water off both roofs and send it to the back. And 14 hopefully we'll have storage back there at some point to 15 catch that and utilize that rainwater. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And it takes a really -- you 18 know, in order to do that, you have to have more than just a 19 little tin gutter, because you're talking about a lot of 20 weight from the water coming off that roof, and it'll be 21 welded onto those two structures. That's what'll tie them 22 together. So, that's -- that's the nutshell of what's been 23 -- what's come out of all the discussions, and -- and the 24 plan, you know, my scratching on paper and then him putting 25 it to scale for this meeting. And hopefully we'll be able 12-27-11 13 1 to -- to get some cost estimates prior to the next meeting so 2 that we can kind of know where we are, see if there's some 3 way we can do what Commissioner Baldwin is saying, talking 4 about getting the -- some capital funds to put into this 5 project, and see if we want to move forward if we do, and 6 figure that this -- we can somehow at least do this phase of 7 it -- of the building, or some part of it. We'll know, I 8 believe, after the next meeting, when we talk about what 9 Commissioner Baldwin's brought up, whether we move forward or 10 whether we scrap the whole idea. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is -- you know, this is 12 turning into a large place. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, it's going to be large if 14 we build the whole thing. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, are we talking about 16 concrete floor? 17 (Commissioner Oehler nodded.) 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The entire thing? So, it's 19 more than a hog barn. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Tell me about that. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It can be used for anything 23 that wants to come in here. I mean, any kind of trade show, 24 any kind of -- I don't know. You know, the sky's the limit 25 on what can use open space like that. It will be covered, 12-27-11 14 1 but not -- the show barn will not be heated and 2 air-conditioned. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be like the arena with 4 a concrete floor. It's going to be -- none of it's finished. 5 It's not finished; it's just a metal building, like a barn, 6 but basically it's going to look just like an arena. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Except it's going to have a 8 set of restrooms -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Restrooms. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- back in the corner, and 11 it'll have some wash racks for the stock show time, and also 12 be used for storage when it's -- 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Clear span. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's not totally clear span, 15 but it's 160 feet of clear span in the middle; come in 40 16 feet off either wall, side wall. And -- because it was just 17 going to be -- the cost, from what the metal building people 18 were telling me, to span 240 feet is a big increase in cost 19 of the building. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of the things -- 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Really doesn't disrupt 22 anything where you're just coming in on the sides and you're 23 not putting anything down the middle. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of the things that I think 25 is important -- I know we have some stock show 12-27-11 15 1 representatives in the audience -- is currently the hog barn 2 has a dirt floor, and that's a problem. There's pathogens; 3 there's ringworm in that, and you can't get rid of it. You 4 can keep it clean and sanitized with concrete. The other 5 option you get is asphalt, and Bruce and I talked about 6 asphalt a fair amount. It's cheaper, but if you have 7 equipment in there like skid steers, if you turn them, it 8 will pop the asphalt. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: High maintenance. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, high maintenance. You 11 can't clean it as well. So, you know, dirt doesn't make 12 sense. And -- 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- asphalt or concrete is the 15 only other options, and, you know, concrete makes a whole lot 16 more sense for not a whole lot more money, in my mind. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What we were told in San 18 Antonio was that right now, concrete actually is cheaper. 19 It's cheaper than hot mix. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right, 'cause of the 21 petroleum and everything that goes in asphalt, so the 22 concrete is cheaper. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It would be a broom finish, 24 not a slick finish on that part, so that you don't have a 25 problem with traction with your animals. They -- in San 12-27-11 16 1 Antonio, they have that finish on the barn where they have 2 horse shows and stuff. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They have yet to have a horse 5 slip on it. A shod horse, if they don't slip on it, nothing 6 else should. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think this early drawing, 8 again, what Commissioner Oehler said, I think, again, the 9 purpose of getting with the livestock folks and all the other 10 organizations participating, in looking at those trips and 11 looking at the functionality of this facility, and this early 12 drawing, you know, the use of all the doors, the layout of 13 the restrooms, where they're at, the wash racks and those 14 different things are -- really, a lot of input's gone into 15 that where it's to be put in this early drawing. I think the 16 other thing that -- in the next phase that you talked about 17 with the exhibit hall as -- as looking at another phase 18 because of not -- making sure that we leave it like it is for 19 next year, in the current one, the concessions are really in 20 a multi -- a good area in this drawing here where it can 21 serve multi-purpose, which I think is very important, and 22 lots of restroom facilities could be used in that next phase. 23 So, very good -- good participation, I think, in everything 24 that folks are doing in this input. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, we just need to make 12-27-11 17 1 sure that when we do this, that we do an adequate number of 2 restrooms for the number of people. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This thing will -- you know, 5 you're talking about a very large -- very large covered space 6 that can be utilized by multiple things. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's what I was going to 8 make a comment on. You know, if you broom that thing where 9 you -- you know, Peter and I were thinking about starting a 10 rock and roll band. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're going to be coming off 13 of tour one of these days, and you're not going to be able to 14 dance. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So -- I don't guess hippies 17 dance any, do they? 18 MR. LEWIS: No, we don't. (Laughter.) 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Commissioner Oehler, the 21 other thing, the current exhibit hall that we have right now, 22 the square footage, I think, is 13,000? 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Something like that. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And we're talking about this 25 next phase in 2013 of having that built, if it works, is 12-27-11 18 1 about 22,000 square feet from my understanding; is that 2 correct? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's correct. It 4 includes -- includes all your storage and restrooms and all 5 that stuff too, but it's -- you know, right now that area out 6 there, you can seat maybe 500 comfortably. Sometimes there's 7 900 crammed in there, and -- whenever Hill Country Telephone 8 has their annual meeting, and that's tight. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But this will -- this will be 11 a -- I guess probably the largest covered, heated and 12 air-conditioned exhibit hall, when it's finished, of any 13 space in town, where you could have a gathering of 1,200 or 14 1,400 people without any problem, which is something that 15 Kerr County does not presently have. No hotels, either the 16 Y.O. or the Inn of the Hills, can do more than 500 or 600. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think the Inn of the Hills 18 has about between 11,000 and 12,000 square feet, so this is 19 -- this is really quite large. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. So, anyway, that's -- 21 that would be my proposal, is to continue -- I still -- I've 22 gotten, you know, some sort of an estimate on the 210-by-240. 23 I'm waiting on another one to get a sure enough good idea of 24 -- of what our costs could be, the estimated costs, but I 25 don't have that today. And then I think after we have our 12-27-11 19 1 meeting, we will know whether we can move forward or whether 2 we have to find some alternate financing or contributions. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. David Hanson? You filed a 4 participation form. If you'll come forward, give us your 5 name and address and tell us what you have to say about this 6 matter. 7 MR. HANSON: I'm David Hanson; I live at 591 Scenic 8 Valley Road in Kerrville in the county. Commissioner Baldwin 9 is my precinct commissioner. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And proud to be so, sir. 11 MR. HANSON: Well, good. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So far. 13 MR. HANSON: So far. We had talked, I think, just 14 before Christmas. We had seen some of the proposals, the 15 initial meeting minutes describing what was proposed for the 16 Ag Barn. We put on two dog shows a year there. And also 17 talked with another group that puts on shows there that 18 utilize the exhibit hall, and we were concerned about 19 maintaining access or maintaining the ability to continue 20 with these shows. And I must admit, what I've heard today 21 really has helped maintain that. I talked with Commissioner 22 Oehler a little bit before the meeting. I've been involved 23 in construction in the states and throughout different areas 24 of the world, and so a phased construction is a viable 25 option. And that was it. Thank you for your time. 12-27-11 20 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, sir. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, David. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Also, I would point out that Linore 5 Cleveland, who is the Trial Secretary for the San Antonio Dog 6 Training Club, has submitted a matter that she wished to be 7 included within the record of today's proceedings. 8 Essentially, as Mr. Hanson indicated, urging us to handle 9 this project in a manner such that their reserved event will 10 not be impacted. The event is for March 3 and 4 of this 11 coming year. So, I will provide this to the reporter to be 12 included within the record at the time it is transcribed, as 13 part of the record. Anything else with regard to this 14 particular item that's on the agenda? Yes, ma'am? 15 MS. GRINSTEAD: I just want to clarify. So, 2012 16 events, nothing will be impacted, indoor arena or exhibit 17 hall. For 2013, do you want me to book as usual, or -- and 18 just let the people know if there's construction in the 19 exhibit hall, they would be -- there will be a facility 20 available; it just may or may not have -- well, it won't have 21 heating or air conditioning if they book there? 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's kind of hard to -- 23 JUDGE TINLEY: It's hard to tell you where to go 24 yet, because we don't know if we're going to pull the trigger 25 on this thing. 12-27-11 21 1 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: And until we get the numbers and 3 know whether we can go forward with it, we're not going to 4 really know the answer to that question. My suggestion 5 personally to you would be that you -- you advise folks, as 6 they seek to make reservations for 2013, that we've got some 7 things in the mill, and you'll take them tentative now, but 8 with the understanding that there may have to be some things 9 worked out. 10 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Because there's some decisions that 12 are in process, but have not yet been made. 13 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think we should be able to 15 make those, though, within -- by the end of January, I would 16 hope. Don't you think, one way or the other? What we're 17 going to do, whether we're going to move forward, or whether 18 we're going to back up and regroup or what. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: That would be -- that would be my 20 hope. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think we should know -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, me too. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- in that time frame. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else? Yes, sir? 25 MR. WETZ: Sorry, I didn't get the form filled out. 12-27-11 22 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Give us your name and address, and 2 tell us what's on your mind. 3 MR. WETZ: Stephen Wetz. I represent Heart of the 4 Hills Barrel Racing Association. They have four dates booked 5 for 2012, and we're asking for your consideration to keep 6 those dates available in the arena for those events. And I 7 just want to thank you for your forward thinking and the 8 progress that you're going to be making on this facility, 9 'cause it's -- it's definitely needed, and we appreciate it. 10 But if you can -- our consideration is to ask you to keep 11 those dates available for us in the arena -- indoor arena. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: You're in the indoor arena? 13 MR. WETZ: Yes, sir. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 15 MR. WETZ: Yes, sir. Thank you. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Everything we have at this point, 17 sir, indicates that the entire arena is not going to be 18 impacted either way here. 19 MR. WETZ: Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, can I get his name 21 again? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, Stephen Wetz. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: W-e-t-z? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: That's what I see here. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So it's like L-e-t-z, sort 12-27-11 23 1 of. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Kind of like that. 3 MR. WETZ: Close. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I knew it. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Irishman from Fredericksburg. 6 (Laughter.) 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, you know, this is one 8 of those things -- I don't think any of us realized how much 9 it might impact somebody else to do the whole project at one 10 time. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But we -- I think we have 13 gotten a pretty good picture of it now. And it may be -- it 14 may be best to do it this way anyway. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Mm-hmm. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. Let's not disrupt 17 people if we can work around it. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Because we don't want to run 19 off people that have booked for years, events that are 20 already coming to Kerrville. We sure don't want those to go 21 somewhere else. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Kind of reminds you of the old 24 phrase, "Dance with who brung you." 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Kind of like that. 12-27-11 24 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Those folks have been loyal to us 2 for years. We need to figure out a way to help them if we 3 can. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You got it. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else on that agenda item? 6 Thank you. Let's move on to the next agenda item; to 7 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to reappoint 8 Ben Alves and Linda Garrett to Emergency Services District 9 Number 2 Board of Commissioners for two-year terms. 10 Commissioner Oehler? 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, sir. It's that time. 12 They've agreed to go for two more years, and I move that we 13 appoint them, the two volunteers being Ben Alves and Linda 14 Garrett. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 17 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion on the 18 motion? All in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 21 (No response.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go to 23 Item 3, to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to 24 approve contracts with Dietert Center, CASA, Big Brothers and 25 Sisters, Families and Literacy, Inc., and Castle Lake 12-27-11 25 1 Volunteer Fire Department; allow County Judge to sign same. 2 I put this on the agenda after these contracts came in. They 3 are our standard contracts that we had with these same 4 County-sponsored agencies or VFD's, as the case may be. But 5 they have been submitted for approval, going into the 6 coming -- this current fiscal year. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, is this the end of 8 them? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think so, no. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there some other -- 11 JUDGE TINLEY: We have VFD's and -- 12 MS. GRINSTEAD: Probably. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tell Jon Letz who that is. 14 MS. GRINSTEAD: I don't remember. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. It's not one of ours. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Not 2. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Bruce or me. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It's not 2. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Only one it can be would be 20 Comfort, and I don't think it's Comfort. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What is it, Boerne? Boerne 22 Volunteer Fire Department? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Castle Lake is -- you know. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Golly. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Letz, I get the 12-27-11 26 1 impression they're trying to gang up on you. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll make a motion to 3 approve. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to approve 6 the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in favor of 7 the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. I was 12 advised earlier this morning by the County Attorney that he's 13 not quite ready to bring us Item 4 yet; there's still some 14 details on that. Unless something's changed between the time 15 I talked to him a few moments ago and now. 16 MR. HENNEKE: No, sir. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. So, we'll pass that item. 18 Let's go to Section 4 of our agenda, payment of the bills. 19 MS. MABRY: Good morning. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, good morning. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we pay the bills. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second to pay 24 the bills. Question or discussion? I'm glad you spoke up. 25 I was holding my breath there for a little bit. 12-27-11 27 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Didn't know if we were going 2 to pay our bills this month, huh? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Any items on the bills that need 4 attention? 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I had one question I think 6 Commissioner Baldwin asked me. I mean, expert witness 7 expense, I -- that's the first time I saw that one. That's 8 typical? We'll see those throughout the year; is that 9 correct? 10 MS. MABRY: Those are standard. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay, those are standard. 12 MS. MABRY: Yes. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: One of the lovely things we 14 get to pay. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. Well, I just saw that. 16 I just kind of went, "Wow." That's a standard amount we pay? 17 MS. MABRY: It depends on what the Judge orders for 18 a particular case. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. I -- I appreciate 20 that. 21 MS. MABRY: Sure. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Do you want to be an expert 23 witness? 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: No. But what I'm saying is 25 when I see these come in, it just -- I just -- it's new to 12-27-11 28 1 me. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Wait till you look and see 3 some of the transcripts that they -- 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I can imagine. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Which brings up another -- 6 (Laughter.) -- another one of my questions. No, this is a 7 real question. I just heard through the grapevine that a 8 comment was made to me that, "This thing is going to cost 9 y'all a lot of money." And that's the Camp -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Mystic? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- Mystic trial that has 12 moved to somewhere in Michigan. And, you know, I'd really 13 like to know, how does that work? How could that cost us a 14 lot of money? How could it cost us any money? The only 15 thing I can see with my boy-dummy brain is that judge hanging 16 out out there, and I guess a jury. Maybe we pay for some 17 jury stuff. Maybe. I guess jury pool's out of that county, 18 isn't it? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. But the judge hanging 21 out out there at the hotel, and meals. But I don't -- I just 22 can't picture anything else. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: You're going to have some court 24 staff that's going to be involved with it, and there will be 25 expense involved with that that you wouldn't normally have if 12-27-11 29 1 the case were here. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're not talking about 3 anything astronomical. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: No, I don't -- I don't -- it will be 5 more than if it were held here because of those additional 6 expenses in another county, but -- 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I mean, same witnesses, same 8 -- all that stuff. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's civil, anyway. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's civil, so we don't pay 12 that part of it, I don't think. I mean, we pay the District 13 Clerk's staff and the -- and the court staff. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Just expenses, then, 15 basically. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Mainly, yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Well, maybe my 18 question should be, "Where does the judge stay?" That was -- 19 JUDGE TINLEY: How about, "Anywhere he wants to"? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where's the -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I didn't like to hear that, 23 but -- 24 MR. HENNEKE: Brady. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I think that's the real answer, 12-27-11 30 1 though. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, probably. So -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He can only go so high in 4 Brady. (Laughter.) 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The choices are very limited. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Trust me. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good point. Anyway, I 9 wondered about that. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The Hilton in Brady is not 11 that big. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: I thought surely that you were going 13 to have some comment about the transcripts. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: 'Cause I understand you have some 16 degree of expertise in those matters. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sir, I do. And it's not on 18 the agenda, so we're not discussing that here today. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions, comments on the 20 bills? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your 21 right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 24 (No response.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Budget 12-27-11 31 1 amendments. We have two on the request summary, both of them 2 within Road and Bridge. Looks like street striping came up a 3 little short, so they're transferring funds from those items 4 into the street striping. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They striping Sheppard Rees 6 again, Buster? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. I saw a couple of other 8 little areas that have been extremely unsafe that they 9 finally got to. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: After a number of years. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: In your precinct? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, of course. What kind 14 of question was that? Of course. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just thought I would ask. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Do I hear a motion for approval of 17 the budget amendments as indicated by the request summary? 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Motion to approve. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 21 approval of the budget amendment requests 1 and 2 as 22 indicated on the summary. Further question or discussion? 23 All in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 12-27-11 32 1 (No response.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. We've got 3 some late bills. 4 MS. MABRY: This is mainly one late bill. It's our 5 J.P. Morgan bill. We'd just like to have every single 6 receipt before we pay it, and it's to compare to the 7 statement and make sure there's no disruption of service on 8 that card. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 12 approval of the late bills. Question or discussion? All in 13 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 16 (No response.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. I've been 18 presented with monthly reports from Justice of the Peace, 19 Precinct 2, for November 2011; Environmental Health, 20 corrected, for November 2011; Justice of the Peace 4 for 21 November '11; and Kerr County Treasurer for November 2011. 22 Do I hear a motion that the indicated reports be approved as 23 presented? 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Motion. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Motion. 12-27-11 33 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 3 approval. Further question or discussion? All in favor, 4 signify by raising your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion carries. Okay, reports 9 from Commissioners in connection with their liaison or 10 committee assignments. Commissioner Letz? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Next week, Commissioner Overby 12 and I will be meeting with the Airport Advisory Committee, I 13 think it was called, which is our quarterly meeting with the 14 representatives from the City and the Airport Board to make 15 sure everything's going smooth at the airport. Tomorrow, I 16 believe I'll be working with the County Attorney, trying to 17 resolve our mediation with the folks off towards Comfort with 18 the -- with the floodplain issues and some septic issues. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sure wish you'd get that 20 resolved; that's been going on a long time. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're trying, with Rob and I -- 22 it's hard to get all those parties together sometimes. 23 That's going. With Bruce and I, we're working on the 24 contract with the Stock Show Association; working on the 25 contract for finalizing stuff where we're going with Little 12-27-11 34 1 League, so all those are working. And my last thing is -- 2 Jannett's here -- at our next meeting, Commissioners Court 3 meeting -- oh, Jannett doesn't do elections any more. Jody, 4 we need to get word to Elections, Nadene and Diane, I guess, 5 to -- we need to see what kind of budget impact all these 6 changes may have, if that's going to be a -- I'm sure it's 7 going to be impacting negatively the -- our budget, but if 8 it's a big impact, we need to know about it and where that 9 money's going to come from, and start planning for that. 10 Because I know they're very concerned about ballots printing 11 out on the timetables, and -- and I've talked to the County 12 Attorney about whether this new schedule they've come up with 13 is even realistic. So, you know, I don't think we'll have 14 the answer, but we really need to start tracking that a 15 little bit. We may have to put a little contingency set 16 aside as to where that money's going to come from for those 17 elections this year. That's it. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler? 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I've mostly been 20 working with stock show folks and with Roy Walston here 21 recently on the -- and Jonathan and I did meet with stock 22 show folks last week and worked out a -- we think maybe as a 23 compromise -- lease agreement that benefits both parties, I 24 think, pretty well. And I met with Rob and went over it with 25 him, and I guess we'll be seeing a draft of that shortly. 12-27-11 35 1 It's one of those things; I think it's a little bit 2 sensitive, and I think it has merit to do it for a lot of 3 reasons, because none of us can look in our crystal ball and 4 see what the future holds whenever there's a whole group of 5 five people that may be different than the ones sitting here 6 today. Anyway, that's part of what's been going on. And I 7 just talk to Animal Control regularly about various things 8 that they've got going on. But, anyway, that's about it. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do we do -- do we do a lease 10 type thing with the stock show folks? Or -- I can't remember 11 what we do with them. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, they've had an 13 agreement, the same one we did in 1994, for years. That 14 agreement is nothing more than a court order. Any court can 15 come in and boot them out at any time without some kind of a 16 legal agreement for the use of that facility. And that's 17 what we've been trying to do, is tie it down so future courts 18 can't just decide that, you know -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, we talked about 20 the -- talked about the long-term lease with the baseball 21 thing, and -- and I guess that's important. None of us are 22 going to be around when that thing's up, so -- 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So -- but -- and I don't -- 25 I can't grasp the importance of the long-term baseball thing. 12-27-11 36 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But I can with the stock 3 show thing. See, it needs to be something solid, and long -- 4 and long-term. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, you know, if it hadn't 6 been for the stock show people, we wouldn't have what we have 7 out there. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, absolutely. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They have a vested interest, 10 and they want some assurances, before they go to their people 11 to help raise money for this project, that they're going to 12 have use of that facility in the future. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They don't want to -- they're 15 not going to get anybody to contribute to something they 16 don't have tied down for that purpose for the long term, and 17 I don't blame them. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, I don't either. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, that's what we're trying. 20 I think we're getting close. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it's difficult, because 22 we're trying to, you know, protect the county, protect the 23 Stock Show Association, and yet have an agreement that 24 doesn't tie anyone's hands too much. And it's -- when you 25 try and do all that, it gets difficult to try to figure out, 12-27-11 37 1 you know, where the -- as an example, Maintenance helps quite 2 a bit out there. And, you know, how much of that type 3 language do you put in the agreement? In the current draft, 4 it's very little to none, because that's something that's 5 kind of just not really -- it's important year to year to the 6 stock show, and this Court, from year to year, can decide how 7 much it's going to contribute through the Maintainance 8 Department assisting, but it's not really a good idea to 9 possibly put that in an actual agreement. I mean, 'cause 10 those things can cut both ways down the road. And rather -- 11 and trying to keep an agreement that will actually survive 12 the term of the agreement, and not have to be amended every 13 couple years because of us saying we're doing something, 14 and -- you know, talking about dumpsters. I mean, you know, 15 we're trying to get that stuff off the table, have a 16 long-term agreement, and then maybe have an annual -- what 17 we're going to commit to. Separate agreement. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, another thing that was 20 brought up to us that I never thought about, never even 21 crossed my mind that this was even possible. What if, at 22 some point in time, some big developer comes up and says, "We 23 want to buy your county land out there, and all the buildings 24 and all that lakefront," and the County Commissioners decide 25 to sell that property. Where does that leave the Stock Show 12-27-11 38 1 folks? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Out. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And -- but we're putting in -- 4 or thought about putting in some sort of provision that they 5 get a -- a chunk of money out of that to go do something 6 with. I mean, 'cause they're buying a lot -- or raising the 7 money to build a lot of stuff, and have done that already. I 8 mean, they don't own it, but they build it and give it to us, 9 so they kind of have an interest in it. And also, that 10 protects them from the standpoint of -- Rob's looking at me 11 like I'm crazy. (Laughter.) 12 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But there's an issue out there 14 that it's hard for them to go raise money when, you know, a 15 year from now we can sell it all, and the people that raised 16 the money get nothing out of it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I can't imagine selling that 18 thing. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I can't either. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I can't either, but you 21 know what? At some point in time, it's realistic for 22 somebody to come along, with all that lakefront -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Lots of zeros. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- and say -- and we'd have 25 to go find land elsewhere for whoever will be here at the 12-27-11 39 1 time that decides to do such a thing. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But you remember the 3 original document. That's where I hang my hat on on this 4 whole thing, is the original document when the land was 5 donated. It says something like, "This land shall be used 6 for the agricultural youth of this county." 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think you're right. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, and I kind of hang 10 my hat right there. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, I don't know how 13 legal that is or anything, but it is to me. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, it's binding to me. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, it is to me too. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But, you know, some other way 17 that -- Rob came up with the idea the other day that we could 18 take -- and maybe the money that the Stock Show people 19 collect to put toward this project could have strings 20 attached so that they would be guaranteed they would have a 21 facility somewhere else, because that money was given for 22 that purpose. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And if anything ever changed 25 there, that it would have to be done somewhere else. But, I 12-27-11 40 1 mean, that's another way to do it. But, anyway, that's kind 2 of a little bit in a nutshell about what we talked about the 3 other day. I think we're getting close; it's just not quite 4 there yet. The Judge is looking like, "Oh, god, now what?" 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else, Commissioner? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is it my turn? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. Okay. We'll soon 11 have the Historical Commission in this room. That's all. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All of them? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think they'll all be here. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Good. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Pretty excited about it. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Only thing I want to follow 17 up on with -- two things. Commissioner Letz talked about we 18 will be meeting January 4th, I believe, with the airport 19 folks, and the -- our arrangements with the city folks to 20 take a tour of the Mooney facilities and facilities at the 21 airport. Again, I've toured that facility several times. I 22 think people's eyes will be opened. Again, some of the new 23 ones who haven't seen them, some of the those buildings are 24 very -- so it will be -- it will be a good opportunity for 25 some of those folks to get to see some of those facilities 12-27-11 41 1 out there and what they look like. So, I think there's some 2 good plans going on with the airport. I think one other 3 thing I'd just like the Court to be made aware of also; I 4 just wanted you to know that we'll be continuing to help 5 support the Fox Tank Company as they're trying to make plans 6 to get their construction under way. We're -- the last I 7 visited with Mr. Fox, I know he's eager to get his facility 8 constructed and under way. And our main thing, again, is to 9 help him in Kerr County. The workers that are working out of 10 that tank -- out of that operation -- remember, there are 32 11 workers; 26 are currently out of Kerr County. The plan is 12 for expanding that to 75 to 90 people, Kerr County employees, 13 or people that have an opportunity for jobs. We probably 14 stand to get about 80 percent of those jobs. I do know that 15 Commissioner Letz and I attended a -- one of the 16 ribbon-cutting ceremonies in Kendall County just on the other 17 side of Comfort. But -- you know, going out into the mission 18 field over there. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: But the benefit about -- the 21 benefit about those affordable housing over there, just like 22 the ones in Kerr County that we have here, the occupancy of 23 those facilities is being used. And the one that's being 24 built just on the other side of Kerr County there, that is 25 going to help people who are working in Kerr County also, 12-27-11 42 1 over in that area, serving that area. But I think it just 2 needs to be real important. The -- the sales tax revenue and 3 the jobs created from this one particular company is really a 4 big benefit for this community. So, I just want you to know 5 I'll be continuing to work with them and helping whatever we 6 can do. That's it, Judge. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't know -- how big of 8 tanks do they build over there? 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I was going to -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What size are we talking 11 about? Ask him how big of tanks -- 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 200-, 500-barrel tanks. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, a 500-barrel tank is -- 14 20,000 gallons? 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'm -- 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 25? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: 21,000. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 21,000. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That might be an option to 20 talk about. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, that's why I'm asking 22 you, 'cause you're dealing with them. Ask him. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll do it. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You know. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To follow up on this going to 12-27-11 43 1 the ribbon-cutting in Comfort, it was noted by them that 2 there was more Kerr County Commissioners there than Kendall 3 County Commissioners. (Laughter.) They were very 4 appreciative of it. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's take over, man. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I told them that's why we were 7 there. I said, "We're thinking of annexing you." 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Been trying to buy it 9 for a number of years. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Take Love's in. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else, Commissioner Overby? 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: No, sir, that's it, Judge. 14 Thank you. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Elected officials? 16 Department heads? Amazing, the Sheriff has something to say. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, just very quickly. We did 18 have a very exceptionally safe and low call volume Christmas 19 holidays, and I think that was great. And we're just praying 20 that New Years, people are as responsible and safe. I did 21 want to say from my employees thank you for hosting the 22 Christmas party. I thought it was very good as usual. The 23 only thing I would recommend to the Judge is find a different 24 elf for next year. The one you had this year was kind of 25 lax. And try not to give away Jody's kids' Christmas 12-27-11 44 1 presents. (Laughter.) But other than that, you know, we do 2 appreciate it, and I know the employees and I thought it was 3 -- it was very well done. Thank y'all. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got to do another 5 round, 'cause I've ordered some of those shoes with the toes 6 that curl up. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's St. Patrick's Day. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, is it? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner Oehler -- I want 12 to thank Commissioner Oehler for once again providing our 13 food. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You're welcome. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: We hate to miss an opportunity to 17 take advantage of someone else's mistake. And she put it in 18 the draw, so, hey, she waived any right to complain. She was 19 lucky to get it back. 20 MS. GRINSTEAD: That's true. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Can't imagine what it was 22 even doing there. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: How did it get there? 25 JUDGE TINLEY: She put it there. Okay. Any other 12-27-11 45 1 elected officials? Department heads? Boy, getting out of 2 this easy. Anything else to come before the Court today? 3 We're adjourned. 4 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 9:50 a.m.) 5 - - - - - - - - - - 6 7 8 STATE OF TEXAS | 9 COUNTY OF KERR | 10 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 11 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 12 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 13 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 14 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 27th day of December, 15 2011. 16 17 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 18 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 19 Certified Shorthand Reporter 20 21 22 23 24 25 12-27-11