1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, April 30, 2012 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X April 30, 2012 2 PAGE 3 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize expenditure of $30,052 to repair 4 and refinish shower units at Kerr County Jail 5 5 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding approval of AFIX Identifier End 6 User License Agreement between AFIX Technologies, Inc., and Kerr County Sheriff’s Office 9 7 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 8 authorize Road and Bridge to demolish the hog barn at Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center and 9 expend funds for said demolition from capital projects/remaining bond funds, 2008 and 2010 11 10 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 11 authorize expenditure for soil testing in connection with Hill Country Youth Exhibit 12 Center project 21 13 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to jointly fund with city of Kerrville the 14 engineering, architectural, specifications and other soft costs which detail the facility and 15 required upgrades to the former B.A. Products building at Kerrville-Kerr County Airport which 16 must be submitted with application for grant funding by Alamo Colleges for workforce training 17 for welders & other worker training 23 18 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on update to Commissioners Court regarding timeline 19 for creation of Emergency Services District #3 32 20 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee Assignments 43 21 --- Adjourned 51 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, April 30, 2012, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 8 Let me call to order this special meeting of the Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court posted and scheduled for this date and 10 time, Monday, April 30, 2012, at 9 a.m. It is that time now. 11 First let me ask if there's any member of the audience or 12 public that wishes to be heard any matter which is not one of 13 the listed agenda items. If you wish to be heard on an 14 agenda item, we'd prefer that you file a participation form. 15 There should be some located at the rear of the room. 16 Notwithstanding that, if you wish to be heard and have not 17 filed a form, get my attention in some manner; I'll give you 18 the opportunity to be heard. But right now, if there's any 19 member of the audience that wishes to be heard with respect 20 to any matter which is not one of the listed agenda items, 21 this is your opportunity to come forward and tell us what's 22 on your mind. Seeing no one coming forward, we will move on. 23 I'm going to skip the Commissioners' comments. I figure if 24 there's anything important there, we can get to it at the 25 tail end. 4-30-12 4 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You just don't want me 2 asking about the pool tournament. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you may ask. I'm not sure 4 you're going to get an answer, but you may ask. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Evidently it didn't go well. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, right. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let me disclose up front, I 8 only -- I only won second money. I had an opportunity. I 9 blew it, and did not properly defend my title. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You have -- 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I have let down the honor of this 12 Court. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You have really slipped. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the way it goes sometimes. 15 We -- we had some new entrants. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Pretty good money? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Including Mr. Allison. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're kidding. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh, no. He -- I think he has a 20 table in his office, if I'm not mistaken. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Misspent youth thing -- 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- coming out. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. So, it went well, but not as 25 well as I had hoped. 4-30-12 5 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He goes out there, wins the 2 tournament, drives back home. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to the first item on the 4 agenda; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to 5 authorize expenditure of $30,052 to repair/refinish shower 6 units at the Kerr County Jail. Our Sheriff. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Sir, that was budgeted -- or 8 is kind of approved in the -- in the capital improvements, 9 the C.O.'s y'all are doing. Why I'm coming to you a little 10 bit early, we are in a situation that I haven't been in since 11 that building's been built out there. In the last several 12 months, we have really dropped in jail population. It has 13 started back up. It got down as low as 84; now this morning, 14 it's back up to 96. But some of that, I think, is -- is kind 15 of interesting. I get -- trying to figure out why we're so 16 much lower, if you look at it, in the first four months this 17 year compared to the first four months of last year, there 18 was 128 fewer arrests county-wide, and there is 125 more 19 dispositions done through the court system. So, that in 20 itself is a 253-person swing, so that does help. I'm sure, 21 just like Mr. Gondeck told y'all, this is temporary and we're 22 going to start going back up. But currently, right now I 23 have seven empty cell blocks out there. And with the 24 refurbishing and refinishing those showers that we need to 25 get done, talking to the man that gave us the bid, -- he does 4-30-12 6 1 that at T.D.C. units and that -- it's going to take 48 to 72 2 hours per shower unit before we can put inmates back in that 3 cell block. And since we have so many empty cell blocks 4 right now, I'd really like to get that done as soon as 5 possible while our population is down a little bit, and I'd 6 like authorization to go ahead and get it done. Now, where 7 we -- where we come up with the $30,052 to complete that 8 right now, I can't tell you, gentlemen. I don't know if the 9 Auditor's got a place it can -- it can come from until it can 10 be reimbursed through that capital improvements deal or what, 11 but I sure would like to get that started while our 12 population is lower. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: The -- you mentioned that this 14 individual does this same service for Texas Criminal Justice 15 Department? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: The various units. Have they found 18 that the durability of it is the best thing to come down the 19 pike so far? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Or maybe not absolutely permanent -- 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: What they will do is, they'll 23 come in -- those are metal showers, steel showers. They come 24 in, strip it all down, reseal it all, and then repaint it all 25 with that special type of stuff. It's about $600 per shower 4-30-12 7 1 unit. Because it is something that is constantly wet. We 2 have inmates that run the showers all the time. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What's the total again, 4 Rusty? 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: $30,052 for approximately 44 6 showers, doing that. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay, thank you. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is estimated to be, like, 9 probably another 10 years, 15 years? I mean, the current one 10 lasted -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Current ones have lasted 12 almost 20 years. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Twenty years. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So -- 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Fifteen years. So, we're 16 hoping it lasts the same amount of time just totally being 17 redone. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's a pretty cheap amount 19 for that kind of -- that's way less than what we've been 20 getting -- being told. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If we continue with the steel 22 showers, sooner or later they're going to rust all the way 23 through and we'll have to replace entire units. When we got 24 to looking at stainless -- replacing them with stainless 25 steel units compared to the steel units that they are right 4-30-12 8 1 now, to fix them is 658 or so per shower. To replace them 2 with stainless steel is over 3,000 per shower. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Kind of like a -- kind of like this 4 rhino lining that they -- 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Similar. I think it's more 6 that -- you know, it's an epoxy-type base, but we've got to 7 keep them -- they've got to air out for so long. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Toxicity, yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Ms. Auditor? 10 MS. HARGIS: Yes? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where's the money that we can 12 use for this? 13 MS. HARGIS: We can take it out of contingency and 14 then pay ourselves back in about two weeks. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: We've got a resolution on file that 16 allows us to advance funds and be reimbursed out of the 17 capital issue proceeds. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion we authorize 19 the repairs to refinish showers in the jail, $30,052, funds 20 to come from contingency to be repaid out of loan proceeds. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'll second that, but I have 22 an alternate. What about out of your salary line item? 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We don't have that kind -- I 24 don't think we have that in our salary line. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You don't have that much? 4-30-12 9 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't think so. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It would have to be both the 4 jail and Sheriff's Office, and I'm not sure. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. I will go a second to 6 his original motion. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. Any 8 further question or discussion? All in favor of that motion, 9 signify by raising your right hand. 10 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 11 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 12 (No response.) 13 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go 14 with Item 2; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action 15 regarding approval of the AFIX Identifier End User License 16 Agreement between AFIX Technologies, Incorporated, and the 17 Kerr County Sheriff's Office. Sheriff again. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. If y'all remember, a 19 few weeks ago you approved one, but that was the -- the 20 latent print identification system for the Sheriff's Office 21 itself. All of this is an AFIX identifier and verifier that 22 is going to be in the jail. This is purchased for and will 23 be maintained by commissary funds; it's not costing the 24 county taxpayers anything. What this will do is, we have a 25 problem -- I don't know if John's here or not, but at times 4-30-12 10 1 you have a problem with people coming to jail and saying they 2 are who they aren't; really, you know, giving false -- and it 3 really messes up our system and it messes up DPS' system, 4 because everything gets sent in under the wrong name. And 5 this is a verifier that they're -- as soon as they get to the 6 jail, their fingerprints go into it. They put two 7 fingerprints on it; it immediately identifies them as who 8 they are. And then whenever they leave, the jail population 9 going, it also fingerprints them with live fingerprints to 10 verify they're the right person leaving the jail, just so we 11 don't... But everything is paid for out of commissary funds. 12 The contract has been looked at by the County Attorney, and 13 that's kind of where we're at. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 18 approval. Further question or discussion on the item? All 19 in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 22 (No response.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's go 24 to -- 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Thank you, gentlemen. 4-30-12 11 1 JUDGE TINLEY: -- Item 3; to consider discuss take 2 appropriate action to authorize Road and Bridge to demolish 3 the hog barn at the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center and to 4 expend funds for said demolition from capital projects/ 5 remaining bond funds, 2008 and 2010. Commissioner Oehler? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, Judge. I feel like 7 we're to the point to where we need to authorize this. And I 8 believe Kelly has done a breakdown on the cost for what 9 we've -- what it would cost Road and Bridge to do that 10 project, so that those funds could be paid back to them in 11 the form of a reimbursement so that we don't cut them short 12 in their operating budget. Which I don't believe would be 13 the fair thing to do if we want our roads fixed. So, Kelly, 14 do you have that information with you? 15 MS. HOFFER: The -- 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: On the cost? 17 MS. HOFFER: I gave it to Jody, and I sent all you 18 Commissioners -- 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I didn't get it. I got it on 20 e-mail this morning. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's in an e-mail. 22 MS. HOFFER: I sent one to Jeannie; I sent one to 23 the Judge. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: The estimates from Road and Bridge? 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, that's what's I -- 4-30-12 12 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, there it is. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'm going to have to have my 3 glasses to read that. Anyway, there's several factors in 4 this. She's estimated the cost of using the County-owned 5 dump trucks and the fuel costs associated with that based on 6 the time frame. And also the excavator, the Caterpillar 320, 7 and the rental estimated cost on it, and that includes the 8 transportation to and from for a month, is $6,739. Cat 924 9 loader, which is County-owned, fuel cost for it, 2,246. And 10 a Gradall with a grapple, estimated cost on it, fuel costs 11 alone, not for any other equipment time, is almost 5,000. 12 So, that totals up to 14,498. And then on top of that, we 13 need to secure the area for demolition and construction. And 14 I ran down prices last week for purchasing the fence rather 15 than renting it, and I believe the one cost that I got 16 from -- from McCoy's was just under -- just around $9,000, 17 9,200, and then the cost from -- that was estimated for 18 purchase by MG Building Materials was 7,700 plus. The rental 19 for 18 months for 640 feet of fence is 2,200 -- $2,515. So, 20 I'm not sure that we want to purchase any fence to secure the 21 area, because it's going to have to be secured during 22 demolition and construction. 23 So, you total that in, and then total in all the -- 24 that we have to have some hard hats, which Jonathan is 25 donating because he doesn't want them any more and doesn't 4-30-12 13 1 need them, doesn't want to see them, but we have to have them 2 to comply with OSHA. The respirators, which are basically a 3 mask to keep, you know, people from breathing in some bad 4 dust or something, safety vests, traffic cones, and first aid 5 kit, and then some signage. Anyway, the total -- estimated 6 project total for this is $24,648. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: That includes all the demolition and 8 the -- and the acquisition of use of outside equipment? 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's correct. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Outside equipment, that 12 should -- that's an estimate that Kelly and Vicki did last 13 week at my request. And I believe that that's still, you 14 know, this -- it could be less than that. But in order that 15 they get back what they spend on this project, this is -- it 16 will be actual. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: We don't want to tap their M & O 18 budget. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, I don't think that's 20 fair. 21 MS. HOFFER: Another thing that wasn't included in 22 on this, 'cause we're not really sure what way we're going to 23 go, but material that's not metal -- the metal is going to be 24 sold for scrap, but the rest of it, to get rid of it, you 25 know, clay tiles and all of that, the city dump charges 4-30-12 14 1 $51.35 a ton. Bruce had said to get ahold of Curtis 2 Wheatcraft, because they took the hospital demo in that large 3 pit hole, their old pit on 173. Curtis originally had quoted 4 us on Friday $10 a ton, considerably cheaper than the city. 5 But we'd asked if that was even negotiable, and he had asked 6 how much base we were going to need for the pad. And 7 Leonard, at the beginning of this project, had ran an 8 estimate; it was around 6,000 tons. So, I was talking to 9 Bruce; maybe we can get Curtis to waive the $10 a ton to get 10 rid of that material, because the base, if we pick it up, is 11 16.75 a ton, and if they deliver it, the inch and a half is 12 14.35 a ton, and three-quarter is 15.35 a ton. So, it's 13 quite a bit of money. That pit is real close by the site, 14 and he actually has the best price around. So -- but that is 15 not included in there. But I think that -- I think that we 16 can get that negotiated, and hopefully just waive that $10 a 17 ton. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: You figured the weight of that 19 debris that's not eligible to go to recycling, that could be 20 a considerable amount at $51 a ton. 21 MS. HOFFER: Yeah. We may keep some -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There's some roof material, 23 and I don't think it's going to be that large of a deal. 24 What it is up there is tar and gravel, with some basically 25 waterproof sheetrock that's real thick; it's about an inch 4-30-12 15 1 and a quarter, inch and a half thick material. And so, you 2 know, I don't know -- don't know how much that's going to 3 total up to. But, you know, I do think we do need to 4 consider that. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But, you know, at the same 7 time, we are going to do some recycling which may offset some 8 of that cost. But I would -- I would -- I would move that we 9 accept the estimated costs to this point, and that any other 10 expenditures beyond that, that we consider those at a later 11 date. But this is a pretty good way to get started, I 12 believe. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Commissioner, question. And 14 I'd like to second your motion. The significant savings, 15 what do you estimate that the County's going to save by going 16 this route? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, it's got to be -- I 18 mean, the best cost that I could get, just a cost estimate 19 from our architect was over $100,000. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: For demolition? 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: For demolition. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And so, you know, if we can 24 get this done for 25 or 30 or whatever, you know, even 40, 25 we've saved a considerable amount of money. 4-30-12 16 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Also a credit against that cost 4 was going to be the salvage value of the metal, which is -- 5 the majority of that building is metal. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I've not been able to get 8 with the manager to talk about the actual price that we'll 9 get, but they will put a roll-off dumpster up there, so we 10 won't have any freight involved with it. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's one good thing, too. 12 We won't have to use our trucks to haul this stuff to the 13 salvage. They'll furnish a roll-off. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Take the loaders, put it directly 15 into the roll-offs. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Directly in and directly 17 down, and we don't have to -- you know, we don't have to have 18 our guys in the trucks and the expense of that, hauling that 19 stuff. So, it's a -- 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's a heck of a savings all 22 the way around. This is not something they -- Road and 23 Bridge really wanted to do, but I appreciate them offering 24 that. And they -- I believe they're low bidder once again. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And at our next meeting, we 4-30-12 17 1 can -- maybe Kelly and I can have a little firmer idea on 2 some of these other numbers. I'll probably get a number from 3 the recycle folks; they ought to be able to give us an 4 estimate of how much metal's there, and we can kind of make 5 an adjustment at our next meeting. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We do need to get this 7 approved, because it takes -- it's going to take -- the 8 earliest the fence can be delivered before we can even start 9 demolition is Thursday or Friday, from National Rent-a-Fence. 10 They do bring it, set it up, and when we're done, they come 11 pick it up and take it away. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: That's all included? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's all included in this. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And, like I say, I looked at 16 -- spent a lot of time last week going over, trying to find 17 the best deal. There's no -- there's no way we can justify 18 the expenditure of those funds for -- to buy those panels, in 19 my opinion. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Is there -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: You had a comment? 22 MS. HOFFER: Yeah. So, are you considering Phase 1 23 just the actual demo, then Phase 2 the base and all that once 24 we're done? 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, just the demo. 4-30-12 18 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We'll do a straight estimate 3 on cost of site work once the building's done. 4 MS. HOFFER: Okay. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: I guess the chief estimator needs to 6 know that. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, she probably knew that. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You know, she doesn't have 10 much to do anyway. Just -- you know, we have to make sure we 11 give her a little -- 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Idle hands are the devil's workshop. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We'd better move out of the 14 way here. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't think there's many 16 idle hands out there. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Any further question or comments on 18 the motion? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got -- I want to make a 20 comment. I'm going to vote for it because of the -- of the 21 cost savings, but I think this is the wrong thing to do, in 22 my opinion. Because we have roads out there that are ready 23 to be paved, and we've kind of dropped off in the last couple 24 of years in the -- in our paving program. I have one -- 25 there's a former federal agent breathing down my neck right 4-30-12 19 1 now because of a road that we pour water on every day, and 2 not getting to it. And we're really hired -- hired to build 3 roads; we're not hired to tear down buildings. And so 4 there's some things out there that are going to be put aside 5 to get -- to get this done, and I just think that that is the 6 wrong thing to do. However, I'm a nice guy and I love y'all. 7 Not very much, but I do. That's all. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think the sealcoat 9 program is going to go forward. We've had an early spring, 10 and they're going to be able to do that. That is about a -- 11 the first part of it's about a two- to three-week project 12 once they start. And I intend to be out there to help, and 13 possibly maybe give a little encouragement, and let's get 14 this going. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Essentially, it's going to take one 16 crew, isn't it? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, three people. 18 MS. HOFFER: Three people equals one crew. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Three people. And, you know, 21 there will be times whenever they won't have to be there. 22 I'm sure there will be some things that get in the way. But, 23 anyway, I intend to be out there, and I've offered to bring 24 my equipment -- my torch rig and do a lot of the cutting, 25 because I know how to do that pretty quick. 4-30-12 20 1 JUDGE TINLEY: You must wear your hardhat. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Got to wear a hardhat, 3 whether I want to or not. Got to be legal. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: No soft caps. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. Even wear sunglasses. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Those hardhats that Letz is 7 donating to this thing, are they square on the inside? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They very well could be. I 9 haven't looked at them. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You may want to try one on. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Might fit my head. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They say, "Downtown 13 Comfort." 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: "Downtown Comfort" on it. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was noticing when you drive 16 towards Comfort, they're moving their sheriff signs further 17 and further over into Kerr County. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: They are. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other questions? 20 Comments? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 21 your right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 24 (No response.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Item 4 on 4-30-12 21 1 the agenda is to consider, discuss, and take appropriate 2 action to authorize expenditure for soil testing in 3 connection with the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center 4 project. Again, Commissioner Oehler. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We -- the architect was in 6 contact with this firm that we use for various testing 7 things, and Road and Bridge used -- I think they did the 8 testing on the annex. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: They did. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You have the price they've 11 agreed to do the study for. I believe it's $4,000. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: 4,000, that's it. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I understand that if they get 14 notification today, that they can probably be here this week 15 and go ahead and do some of that so that the plans for the 16 engineered slab can be finished, so that we -- you know, as 17 soon as possible, we'll have plans to go to bid. That is one 18 of the hold-ups, is the fact that we have to have a soil 19 test. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That also will tell us how 22 much cut-out, how much road base we'll need to put back in 23 and have compacted for the actual site. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Essentially, what we had to do when 25 we built the annex that Road and Bridge was the low bidder on 4-30-12 22 1 that project, and that required us to take out a little over 2 6 feet, as I recall, and then go back in in a series of lifts 3 with compacted base material, stabilized base, and -- and 4 test it as we go. And the contractors that I've talked with 5 and asked them to give me their feelings about the pad that 6 was built by our good people at Road and Bridge, they said 7 it's as good as they've had with the best commercial 8 contractors. So, don't give them a challenge; they'll rise 9 to it. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I would move that we 11 contract as per the document submitted, and authorize the 12 Judge to sign. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Up to $4,000? 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It is 4,000. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 4,000. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What's the name? Rock? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Rock. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There's another name that 20 goes with that. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Rock Engineering and Testing 22 Laboratory, Inc. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's the one I was 24 referring to. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I have a motion and a second. 4-30-12 23 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have we authorized the 3 money? Have we found the money? 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The money is to come from -- 5 good point. I'll include in my motion that the money for 6 that comes out of our 2008/2010 remaining funds allocated 7 for -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Youth Exhibit Center. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- Youth Exhibit Center. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very good. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Any further question or comments? 13 All in favor of that motion, signify by raising your right 14 hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Item 5; consider, 19 discuss, take appropriate action to jointly fund with the 20 City of Kerrville engineering, architectural specifications, 21 and other soft costs which detail the facility and required 22 upgrades to the former B.A. Products building at the 23 Kerrville/Kerr County Airport which must be submitted with 24 the application for grant funding by Alamo Colleges for 25 workforce training for welders and other workers training at 4-30-12 24 1 that facility. You'll recall that probably two, three 2 meetings ago, we authorized the -- as one of the joint owners 3 of the airport property, the old B.A. Products building, 4 which formerly was the Gibsons warehouse, as I recall also, 5 which has been vacant now for four years, and which, if we're 6 going to be able to put a tenant in that building, we're 7 going to have to upgrade anyway, authorized the use of that 8 facility in connection with workforce training. City of 9 Kerrville likewise approved that at no cost, or maybe a 10 dollar a year; I'm not sure. And as I recall, locked it up 11 for at least two years, as I recall. 12 The Workforce training grant that is sitting in 13 place waiting to be applied for to accomplish this, in order 14 to apply for that grant, there's got to be a workup of what 15 the facility is now, what the upgrades are going to be 16 required in the way of electrical, ventilation, A.D.A., and 17 some other minor collateral issues. Alamo Colleges, as part 18 of their involvement in this project, has committed to pay 19 the costs of those upgrades. But in order to get the grant 20 process going and to get it secured, we got to apply for it. 21 Well, without the engineering and the soft costs, we're not 22 going to get there. You've got before you a -- a proposal 23 from Mr. Lewis dealing with doing that workup for us, and 24 it's been revised. It's now $9,600 with some reimbursable 25 costs which are estimated to be maybe another $2,900, with 4-30-12 25 1 the -- any asbestos issues to be handled separately. With 2 the Fox Tank thing moving forward, it's critical that we get 3 this -- get this training going. 4 There was a suggestion that maybe E.I.C. would be 5 the proper venue to approach for this -- for this funding. 6 However, I was concerned about the -- the timing and the 7 application process, the various steps that you go through 8 for E.I.C. funding, and it takes a considerable period of 9 time, 45 to 90 days, somewhere in that range. I think it's 10 important that we move this thing forward. I called Todd 11 Parton, City Manager, and explained the dilemma; that this is 12 our building, we are going to have to -- have to have it 13 upgraded eventually, the upgrades will accrue to our benefit 14 that are being provided by Alamo Colleges, and suggested to 15 him that since it's our building, why don't we jointly fund 16 the funding of these costs in order to get this thing moving 17 right now, and -- and kind of a win-win situation. 18 You know, there's emphasis on economic development 19 at the City. There's emphasis on intergovernmental 20 cooperation, and I see it as a win-win deal all the way 21 through. So, we're potentially looking at a little under 22 13,000. Mr. Parton told me that they had just recently been 23 notified that we had approximately $20,000 coming back from a 24 RAMP project at the airport. Those funds, according to my 25 understanding when they were originally allocated for airport 4-30-12 26 1 purposes, when they come back, they need to continue to be 2 utilized for airport purposes. That is airport property. He 3 said, you know, we've already got a place to look for the 4 funds. Those are joint funds coming back. So -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: -- I bring it to you and ask for 7 your approval. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My only question was, are you 9 sure those are RAMP funds that are coming back? 10 JUDGE TINLEY: RAMP project. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think so. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Or taxiway project. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess the taxiway project. 14 It's a check that the City received and cashed, I believe. 15 MR. MOSER: What's coming back is the contribution 16 from the City and the County for their 5 or 10 percent, 17 whatever it was. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 19 MR. MOSER: It was not RAMP grant funds. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm sorry, I misspoke. It was from 21 the taxiway project, I think. Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But it's -- 23 JUDGE TINLEY: But it's approximately, I think, 24 $19,000, $20,000. 25 MR. MOSER: Something in that neighborhood. 4-30-12 27 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 19-something. The -- my 2 understanding is the -- based on what the mayor said at the 3 airport meeting -- joint Airport Board meeting, the City was 4 keeping their half and was going to send the County its half. 5 They didn't say what they were using it for. They just said 6 they were keeping it. And they said that they're going to 7 send half to us. The mayor did say that he was in favor of 8 doing this, and I think -- 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know if it was already 11 passed at Council meeting -- or it's going to be a special 12 meeting, I guess, tomorrow. He thought it was -- would be 13 done by the City. He didn't really say where the money was 14 coming from, but I think it makes sense from our standpoint 15 to use our half when we get it for this purpose. 16 MS. HARGIS: We have it. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have it now? Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'd like to -- Commissioner 19 Letz, I agree with you. I will tell you that Ms. Fahrenthold 20 with -- of course, our coordinator with AACOG, is doing a 21 fantastic job. This has been an issue that's been going on 22 for about two months, and basically where we're at right now, 23 we have exhausted our efforts in trying to go back and find 24 drawings and anything on this building. This building was 25 built back in '72. The City or the County have no -- no 4-30-12 28 1 findings of anything of when the building was built or those 2 type of things. We do know that -- the Judge mentioned that 3 Gibson Discount Center used it as a warehouse for 25 years 4 before B.A. Products had it. The thing that we have here, in 5 having conference calls with AACOG and with the Workforce 6 folks, is that we do have a significant amount of funding 7 that's been approved for this training grant, and part of the 8 process to get there with the -- with the AACOG and Alamo 9 Colleges, the Alamo Colleges group, is to get this 10 application in. This is that funding to help move this 11 forward. I'll mention to you, I think it's significant to -- 12 to approve this and move forward with it. 13 Just kind of an update with Fox Tank company. You 14 know, as you know, they closed on their property, and they're 15 in their final -- they've had one particular issue with a -- 16 a utility easement that they're about to have resolved. And 17 when that gets resolved, the timing of moving forward with 18 this training site and having the opportunity to have that 19 building built, maybe by October sometime, the timing of all 20 that could be really at a good time. But the training site 21 with Fox Tank, this supports that workforce job creation. We 22 have the money that's been approved in a grant already from 23 the state. When we listened to -- Dr. Tucker gave us that 24 update on that. The money's there. We need to get the 25 training site up and going. So, just kind of an update with 4-30-12 29 1 that. It supports Fox Tank. It's not only for Fox Tank, but 2 other welding programs and opportunities in our county. So, 3 it's a very good deal, and it's for two years -- is that 4 correct? -- that we're going to have it up, and it's going 5 with Fox Tank and that area. The potential from there, we 6 look at what it might lead into from there. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In addition to Fox Tank, you 8 mentioned others, but for those who haven't noticed, Frontier 9 Welding in Center Point just did a huge expansion. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or Frontier Bumpers, whatever 12 they're called. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Frontier Truck Gear and 14 Welding, and they're doing well. There's an opportunity with 15 that, so -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I think the authorization for 17 utilization of that building is not just for welding 18 training. There was included some other job training. One 19 of the things they're looking at is automotive -- 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: -- down the road. And, you know, 22 Alamo Colleges has been very, very amenable to the employers 23 in the area. If you got some training that you need as an 24 employer, a group of -- of workers, they'll tailor the 25 training for you. They'll put it on; they'll help you find 4-30-12 30 1 some money to support it. They've just -- they've become a 2 wonderful community leader in this area for job training, and 3 we want to continue that, because as we all know, not 4 everybody goes to college. They've got college courses. If 5 you want to take those, that's fine. But we need to get them 6 into the job training, because we need some skilled workers 7 in the community, so that our people that -- that want these 8 skills and want to acquire them can get them, and try and 9 improve their wage scale coming out of this service economy 10 that we have here locally. I think it's very, very important 11 that we do that. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll just say one last 13 comment. The 68 jobs that they have currently right now, Fox 14 Tank, and with the training site up and going with the new -- 15 the new plant being built, we're looking at an additional 40, 16 so you're going to have over 108 folks. And, again, just a 17 reminder to folks, citizens of Kerr County. This is 18 additional sales tax money that we don't have, and it's 19 significant to our community, and the jobs created in our 20 community are significant. So, again, this is well -- money 21 well spent for a project to move forward. And with that, 22 Judge, I'll -- I'd like to make a motion to -- I guess we'd 23 say here to jointly fund with the City of Kerrville the 24 engineering, architectural specifications, and other soft 25 costs which detail the facility and required upgrades to the 4-30-12 31 1 former B.A. Products building at the Kerrville/Kerr County 2 Airport that is connected with the application for grant 3 funding by Alamo Colleges for workforce training for welders 4 and other workers training at that facility. And I believe 5 for the amount that we would split half of, looks like that 6 we have $9,590 that we would jointly fund half of that for 7 this application to move forward for workforce training. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Current proposal shows 9,6. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct math. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 9,6. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: With another estimated 2,900 to 12 3,000 in reimbursable costs. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Didn't have my glasses on to 14 pick up the 3 for the 2. So, $9,600, and that the County 15 would fund half of that jointly with the City of Kerrville 16 for workforce training. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tell me about this 18 reimbursable number. Is that -- do you add that in there? 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That would be reimbursed back 20 after the application; is that correct? The $2,900, is that 21 what you see that would be reimbursed back later, 22 potentially? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: No, that's reimbursable costs to the 24 architect. 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: To the architect. 4-30-12 32 1 JUDGE TINLEY: So that would be on top of the 2 9,600. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: So, the 9,600 plus the 2,900 4 that would be given to the architect; is that correct? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: My total is 12,5, potentially. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 12,5. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's my motion. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You keep saying 11 "potentially." Is it 12,5 or not? 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Know. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 96 plus 29. 14 MS. HARGIS: 12,5. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other -- I have a motion. 16 Do I hear a second? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. 19 Further question or discussion on that motion? All in favor 20 of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Thank you. 25 Let's go to Item 6; to consider, discuss, take appropriate 4-30-12 33 1 action on update to Commissioners Court regarding the 2 timeline for creation of the Emergency Services District 3 Number 3. Commissioner Baldwin? You've put a name on it 4 now; it's Number 3. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's Number 3. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: There you go. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Actually, our attorney in 8 Austin did. And the County Attorney and I have had -- had a 9 nice telephone visit with him the end of last week and very 10 informative. You have some of the information before you, 11 the -- the timeline of things that needs to be done and to 12 do, and I think the County Attorney's going to stand up here 13 and give us some remarks in regards to this -- this timeline. 14 MR. HENNEKE: Morning, gentlemen. I think it 15 should have been circulated, the calendar for creation of the 16 ESD Number 3. Hopefully y'all have copies in front of you. 17 But we -- Commissioner Baldwin and I visited with Mr. Carlton 18 last week, and what he's put together is the timeline of 19 necessary events before the ESD can be put on the ballot for 20 the November election. Where we are now is, we've completed 21 the first step; we've verified the boundaries. The proposed 22 boundary for the ESD is the entire county of Kerr County. 23 And the next step comes into circulating the petition for 24 signatures. In order to call for the ESD petition to -- or 25 ESD issue to be moved forward, it's required that a petition 4-30-12 34 1 signed by at least 100 registered voter/landowners in Kerr 2 County -- have to be both registered voters and landowners in 3 Kerr County to sign the petition. 4 And what Commissioner Baldwin -- you know, we'll 5 give copies to the Court, a copy of that petition. You know, 6 if -- it's something that we can't expend county resources 7 doing, but as private citizens, if -- if y'all choose to 8 visit, you know, help gather signatures or pass this along to 9 those who would like to do that, then that's fine. It can be 10 collected in multiple counterparts. But basically, if this 11 is going to proceed forward on or before the -- the end of 12 May is the time frame for when at least 100 signatures -- I 13 would recommend 200 signatures on the petition -- be 14 collected and turned back in. The step after that is then 15 that the petition is filed with the County Judge, and the 16 Commissioners Court has to have a meeting to accept the 17 petition and call for a public hearing. 18 At the same time that that occurs, then once the 19 petition has been filed and accepted by the Commissioners 20 Court, then the statute requires of Judge Tinley and the 21 Commissioners Court to send a letter to the incorporated 22 municipalities within the proposed service area, or in this 23 case, it would be the City of Ingram and the City of 24 Kerrville, asking whether or not they elect to opt in or out 25 of the ESD, both within the city limits and for the ETJ area. 4-30-12 35 1 They can have two different elections, and they have -- I 2 believe it's 60 days to take action on that. You know, once 3 that's passed, then there have to be several notices 4 published in the newspaper for the public hearing. A public 5 hearing under this time frame would occur in August, because 6 our deadline to call the election would be no later than 7 August 20th. And in order to do that, then, with everything 8 happening beforehand, this matter would be on the November 9 ballot. So, that's the time frame that we're looking at. 10 It's -- I think a month to gather 200 signatures is not 11 onerous, but certainly if we don't get that accomplished by 12 May, then we're going to run into trouble in meeting all of 13 the deadlines necessary to have this on the November ballot 14 election. Is there any questions for me? 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What if -- what if some of 16 the city residents sign this petition, and then the City of 17 Kerrville opts out? 18 MR. HENNEKE: I think that's an interesting 19 question. I mean, and my thinking on this is I would 20 certainly hope that we could dialogue with the City of 21 Kerrville, engage and interact with them, and at least 22 encourage them to give their citizens a chance to vote on 23 this issue. If -- if a resident of the City of Kerrville 24 that is a registered voter and a property owner signs a 25 petition, and then the City opted out, that wouldn't 4-30-12 36 1 invalidate the signature, but I think it would be unfortunate 2 for those within the city limits not to be given an 3 opportunity to express their position at the ballot box on 4 election day. So, there's nothing binding about the City of 5 Kerrville opting in or opting out, because at the end of the 6 day, this is a matter for the people of Kerr County to 7 decide. And, personally, I believe that it should be all 8 citizens -- or all registered voters within all of Kerr 9 County, including the City, should have a chance to 10 participate on this question. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rob, at what point do we -- 12 maybe we already know, or Buster may already know. The 13 funding amount, I know we're talking about a -- I mean, that 14 the ESD will levy a tax, I presume. How does that part of 15 it -- how does that process -- after it's formed, do they 16 then determine how much you're going to levy? Or is it done 17 ahead of time, or -- 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Ahead of time. It has to be 19 done once it's formed. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because it's formed -- 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You have to appoint the board 22 of commissioners. That board of commissioners sets the tax 23 rate. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: But the authorization for the tax is 25 actually part of the election. Levy a tax not to exceed, -- 4-30-12 37 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Ten cents. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: -- and they'll plug it in. And, of 3 course, the cap's 10 cents on it, emergency services 4 district. And -- but the ballot will say "not to exceed." 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does it have to be 10 cents, or 6 can be it a lesser amount? 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It can be anywhere -- 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Up to 10 cents. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- up to. It's a maximum 10 amount. And that's part of your election. That's the way it 11 was done in the two ESD's in my precinct. They have 12 different tax rates. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The people are making that 15 decision. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. My -- is there a -- at 17 some point during the process, will there be any -- anyone 18 calculating based on the taxable values in the county? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, we'll be doing that 20 soon. I hear what you're saying. We'll be doing that soon. 21 It's just -- just haven't gotten to that point yet. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. This just seemed -- one 23 of the first questions people are going to want to know is, 24 "What's it going to cost me?" 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, it's estimated. 4-30-12 38 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be an estimate, of 2 course, until you -- and it's not going to be our decision, 3 certainly. Okay, you answered my question. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But, again, this is just me, 5 and I think you all think the same way I do, is that once 6 that -- that rate has been set by the ESD board, or set by 7 the people, and they take off with it, and it'll take at 8 least a year to get -- to get any money coming into the 9 coffers. But after that point, I don't see any reason that 10 the Commissioners Court does not take -- take that amount out 11 of the county budget. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So it won't be a double 14 taxation thing at all. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll reduce our taxes by the 16 amount -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It does -- once that tax rate 19 is voted in, it takes a year before they get any money in. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: To collect it. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: To be able to go out and 22 contract with whoever. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 24 MR. HENNEKE: And the timing's important on this -- 25 I'm sorry to interrupt, Commissioner Oehler. Because I'd 4-30-12 39 1 just point out that with the, you know, interlocal agreement 2 that the City and the County currently have being that term, 3 that if the ESD is approved this year, it's going to be 4 coming online right about the same time that the current 5 interlocal is expiring. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 2014? Yeah. 7 MR. HENNEKE: Given the time that it takes to get 8 set up and then to start generating revenue. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One more question. What is the 10 process you envision for engaging the City of Kerrville? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I think that we'll 12 write a formal letter. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: First. And there is -- has 15 been some cocktail conversations. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Obviously, because we have -- 17 the chief is here today, so he must at least be aware of 18 that. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think he's here on tearing 20 down the Ag Barn, isn't he? 21 MR. OJEDA: Yes, sir. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Good cop out, Chief. 23 MR. OJEDA: Mr. Baldwin did it for me. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, you're indebted now. 4-30-12 40 1 You know, it's -- once again, I just see the ESD as the 2 answer to all of the issues. I mean, you sit down, write the 3 issues of, "City Council does not like Commissioners Court; 4 Commissioners Court does not like City Council," all those 5 really immature things that we do. An ESD will remove all of 6 that. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: It goes away. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Throw it away. And -- you 9 know, and if I were God for a day and we put the ESD board 10 together, which by law we will, we'll appoint hopefully the 11 -- if the City of Kerrville desires to participate in the 12 thing, I hope that we can give them two slots, citizens out 13 of city of Kerrville, and two slots for us, and one slot for 14 the city of Ingram. And if we -- you know, anybody with any 15 common sense or knowledge at all of what's been going on, the 16 ESD board would contract with the City of Kerrville for 17 ambulance service. It's just plain and simple. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: However, if they choose not 20 -- I mean, I don't know what's going to happen. That's 21 ESD -- that's their business. That's what they do, is make 22 these contracts. So, I just see it as a plus, plus, plus, 23 plus. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Commissioner, the only thing 25 I'd like to add, and I agree with everything that you said 4-30-12 41 1 there, you know, basically as we look at the possibility of 2 forming an ESD, to me, again, I look forward to the 3 discussion. And we talk about what type of timeline, how we 4 would talk with the City of Kerrville about discussing what 5 the benefit is. Again, if it's voted on by the citizens of 6 the county, and that's the -- what we talked about, the 7 people approving it or not. I think the one answer there 8 that potentially is a big pro for everybody, again, is the 9 long-term funding source of funding for providing those EMS 10 service -- EMS services in our community, and also that it 11 can enhance the service out in our area for folks, better 12 response time and those type of things. So, it's like you 13 said; there's a lot of things about, really, why we need to 14 look at that. So, I -- I'm glad to see this on the agenda 15 today, and this timeline is common sense as we try and move 16 forward with this. That's good. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I appreciate you saying all 18 that, and the petition is the next step. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yep. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then we start responding 21 to the City, et cetera, et cetera. So -- 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Good. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: I think -- I think once there's a 24 petition presented, at that point, that's when the City's 25 notified of the filing of the petition, and -- 4-30-12 42 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: -- a go-forward basis on this. 3 Sheriff, you had a comment? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just for clarification, this 5 is only for an ESD for ambulance services; is that correct? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: So it wouldn't be fire, or the 8 district would have -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: No fire. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: So it's just for EMS. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. And, of 12 course, I see -- I see pie in the sky things a little bit. I 13 can see an ambulance -- a city ambulance, or whoever the 14 provider, ambulance sitting out in the city of Ingram to 15 respond to the western end of the county, and cut the -- cut 16 the response time down by half. I can see an ambulance down 17 in Center Point. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: See, that's been kind of my 19 consideration. We contract with the City of Kerrville, a 20 pretty high amount, but all those ambulances are inside the 21 city of Kerrville. It's their service. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But they do a good job, 23 Rusty. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Where they could actually put 25 ambulance units out in the county. 4-30-12 43 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure could. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That would be able to 3 quickly -- or more quickly service county citizens. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think we could afford to 5 do that with this program. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other comments -- questions or 7 comments? No -- no particular formal action -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: -- required at this point? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Report only. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: With respect to the approval agenda, 12 I don't think we have any financial matters to consider, do 13 we? Any reports from Commissioners? Commissioner Baldwin? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You want to talk about ESD? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: I thought we just did. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We did, but I'm always 17 willing to talk about it some more. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But no, thank you. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Commissioner Overby? 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Judge, one exciting project 22 that's getting ready to get completed. As you remember, back 23 in January of this past year, we talked about Camp C.A.M.P.'s 24 aquatic center was under construction, one of the 25 state-of-the-art facilities that's out in Precinct 2 out in 4-30-12 44 1 the Center Point area. It's going to be one of the largest 2 aquatic centers for helping folks, children and those folks 3 that -- those services that they can experience that they 4 wouldn't be able to have otherwise in our aquatic areas. But 5 Camp C.A.M.P. is going to be having an opening ceremony 6 Saturday, May 12th, at 1 o'clock. And I know that they'll 7 have their board there, and lots of parents and children that 8 are there. And this is something that's very exciting for 9 our community and for Kerr County, and I'm glad to have it 10 here. An exciting day for those folks. I just wanted to 11 give that report. That's it. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What time will it be? 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 1 o'clock, May 12th. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that it from your end? 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's it. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Letz? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only thing is that we had 18 our quarterly Airport Planning Committee meeting Friday. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Mm-hmm. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Attended by both Commissioner 21 Overby and myself, the two board members from the -- from 22 Airport Board, Mr. Moser and Mr. King, and Carson Conklin and 23 the mayor, Mayor Wampler. So, they were all there. Good 24 meeting. Nothing really eventful; just kind of went into 25 where we're going, kind of planning a little bit. We talked 4-30-12 45 1 about long-term issues and projects at the airport. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I believe you earlier indicated 3 there was affirmation of this job training facility there? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: And is everybody in favor of moving 6 that forward? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And the other -- other, 8 I guess, main thing out there was that the -- a parking lot 9 was discussed and given kind of a thumbs-up by everybody 10 also. That's not a voting body, so you really -- there's no 11 votes that take place there, but it was just discussed that 12 the construction of it will be split by our Road and Bridge 13 Department and the city's Streets Department, and any of the 14 material costs would come from the Airport Board's budget, 15 and -- 16 MR. MOSER: Using RAMP grant. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Actually, that's using RAMP 18 grant opportunities actually for that. So, that's a good 19 project. I think it's 48 slots. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 44, something like that. 21 MR. MOSER: 48. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 48. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Long-term? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Long-term parking. It will be 25 fenced. For those of you that don't go out to the airport a 4-30-12 46 1 lot, there's a real problem of congestion, and it's mostly 2 the people that fly in occasionally and leave their cars 3 there, or a car at the airport, and it kind of clogs up. And 4 this is a way to get those out into a separate area. The 5 airport would charge a fee. Not sure what that's going to be 6 yet, but it will be a revenue-producing area. And if the 7 needs justify it, possibly in the future looking at covering 8 part of it for people that want to pay a little bit more to 9 have a covered slot. But that was discussed, and everyone is 10 in agreement with that. I think our Road and Bridge 11 Department's going to be doing the site work, per se. The 12 paving will be done by City of Kerrville with their 13 equipment. 14 MR. MOSER: I might add that it was estimated to be 15 $110,000, and looks like it's probably going to cost 30,000. 16 That will come out of RAMP grant, so -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It's also clearing up the -- 19 when the terminal building was built, we had some parking 20 issues. This is correcting a lot of those, so it's a good 21 deal. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: We had our -- we had our regular 23 bidders on this job? 24 MS. HOFFER: Yeah. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: We solicited their bids, as it were? 4-30-12 47 1 MS. HOFFER: That's right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this will be done -- the 3 work will be done in next budget year, October. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: October. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So it will not interfere with 6 our paving project. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Interfere with paving? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Does that make you feel better? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have you ever had a retired 10 federal officer screaming at you? 11 MS. HOFFER: Yes. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Got to get the paving deal 13 going. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner, all I can do is 15 suggest -- I don't know what federal position, but I'm sure 16 that you can recall over the years when you've had some 17 request for assistance of some type from a federal agency, 18 that you were given the brush-off, notwithstanding the 19 high-priority status that you thought your request had. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: And you might remind that individual 22 they'll be given same treatment that you received from them. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, but this word "voting" 24 comes into the picture too. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. 4-30-12 48 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Got to be honest about this 2 stuff. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Guns, voting, living here. 5 You know, stuff like that. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Being able to stay? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: My children. You know, he's 10 pretty upset. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Commissioner Oehler? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: A couple things. We 14 authorized the work to move the electrical service not long 15 ago at the Ag Barn to get ready for the demolition. I 16 understand from Mr. Bollier that has -- that has happened. 17 The air conditioning units are moved, and so we are ready to 18 proceed as soon as he gets the rest of those pens and things 19 that are portable out of there. And Bobby Johnson assured me 20 that would happen this week, with some of Rusty's people that 21 wanted to help. Second thing is, Hunt's going to have their 22 centennial on the 19th of May. Starts pretty early. Parade 23 at 10:00. A lot of festivities, a lot of things going on. 24 Just anybody that wants to attend, I encourage them to do it. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm sorry that I'm going to be out 4-30-12 49 1 of state, but I wish them well. I wish I could be there. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Vickie and I get to ride in 3 the parade, and I think the little banner on the front -- 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- is going to have something 6 to say, kind of like the "Best Commissioner in Precinct 4." 7 (Laughter.) You know, kind of like being the only 8 son-in-law. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Best current commissioner in 10 Precinct 4. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But not forever? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. No. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the reason I threw that in. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Like being the only 15 son-in-law thing. So -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Now, I understand 17 they're going to have a band out there. Unlike the Ag Barn, 18 it's going to be local guys. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't doubt that. They're 20 going to have several. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I am excited about that. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And you'll probably be 23 involved with one. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I'm not. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You're not? They have a 4-30-12 50 1 fiddle contest too; they have $3,500 in prize money. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's really a big deal. But 3 they're using local -- local people. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But the best -- you know, the 5 one that will get the most attention and riding with Marvin 6 Neunhoffer in his Model A -- Model T touring car is going to 7 be the wonder dog that sits in the back of my truck. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: With his -- 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sophie gets to go. So, 10 anyway, that's enough of that. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Is that all you got? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's all I'm going to say. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Elected officials? Department 14 heads? 15 MR. GARCIA: Just a reminder. Wednesday, 16 Environmental Health Department will be in Austin to receive 17 the Environmental Excellence Award from the Governor's 18 Office. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's great. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: One of how many nominees? Three or 22 five? 23 MR. GARCIA: There was three. Three. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Three statewide? 25 MR. GARCIA: Right. And I'm number two. 4-30-12 51 1 JUDGE TINLEY: You're number two? 2 MR. GARCIA: Yes. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Pretty salty. Ms. Pieper? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But number two is like 5 kissing your sister. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh, shut up. Anybody else? 7 Anything else to come before the Court this morning? We're 8 adjourned. 9 (Commissioners Court was adjourned at 10 a.m.) 10 - - - - - - - - - - 11 12 STATE OF TEXAS | 13 COUNTY OF KERR | 14 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 15 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 16 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 17 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 18 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 1st day of May, 2012. 19 20 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 21 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 22 Certified Shorthand Reporter 23 24 25 4-30-12