1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Tuesday, May 29, 2012 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X May 29,2012 2 PAGE --- Commissioners' Comments 5 3 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 4 change private road name Mary Drive South to Agave Trail South, Precinct. 1 14 5 1.3 Presentation regarding Peterson Regional Medical 6 Center’s new "Peterson’s Community Care” program 15 7 1.1 Presentation of 2011 Texas Association of Counties Safety Award to Kerr County 29 8 1.7 Recognize and present awards to top two 9 individuals for Kerr County Wellness Program Sonic Boom 8-week challenge 33 10 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 11 approve agreement with architect Peter Lewis to pay jointly with City of Kerrville the 12 engineering, architectural specifications and other soft costs which detail the facility & 13 required upgrades to former BA Products building 35 14 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding proposal from Peter Lewis to provide 15 additional services in support of rainwater collection, storage & distribution system for 16 show barn 40 17 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to establish Kerr County Recycling Program and 18 contract with Allied Waste Service to dispose of County recyclables 45 19 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 20 Workforce Solutions Alamo Youth Worksite agreement with Kerr County 55 21 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 22 authorize Environmental Health Director, Ray Garcia, to fill open 17.1 OSSF Designated 23 Representative Inspector position 66 24 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize Road & Bridge to proceed with site 25 work for new show barn; authorize funds to pay for it 68 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) May 29, 2012 2 PAGE 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 3 regarding adoption of AACOG Regional Multi- Hazard Mitigation Plan update 75 4 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 5 apply for grant or other funding from LCRA, HGCD or others for rainwater collection system for new 6 show barn at Hill County Youth Exhibit Center 78 7 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to set groundbreaking ceremony for Hill Country 8 Youth Exhibit Center on May 31, 2012 79 9 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to enter into agreement with Kerrville Area Chamber 10 of Commerce to lease Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center premises for KerrFest event 84 11 1.16 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 12 regarding donation of two 10-inch diameter, 30-foot bald cypress trees by John Teltschik; 13 agree to pay delivery expense not to exceed $1500 88 14 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on committee report concerning insurance consultant 96 15 4.1 Pay Bills 108 16 4.2 Budget Amendments 111 4.3 Late Bills 114 17 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 114 18 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee Assignments 115 19 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 116 20 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to enter into 3-year lease agreement with Terry 21 Napper for Ingram Annex Building; authorize County Judge to sign same (Executive Session) 123 22 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed 23 in Executive Session -- 24 --- Adjourned 123 25 4 1 On Tuesday, May 29, 2012, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 8 Let me call to order this regularly scheduled meeting of the 9 Kerr County Commissioners Court posted and scheduled for this 10 date and time, actually Tuesday, not Monday, May 29, 2012, at 11 9 a.m. It is that time now. Commissioner Letz? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Please stand, join me in a 13 moment of prayer, followed by the pledge. 14 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Be seated, please. At 16 this time, if there's any member of the public or audience 17 that wishes to be heard on a matter which is not a listed 18 agenda item, this is your opportunity to come forward and 19 tell us what's on your mind. If you wish to be heard on an 20 agenda item, we would ask that you fill out a participation 21 form. There should be some at the rear of the room. That 22 gives me a heads-up that there are folks that wish to be 23 heard on that item. However, if you've not filled out a 24 participation form, and for some reason you want to be heard 25 on an agenda item, get my attention in some manner when we 5-29-12 5 1 get to that item and I'll give that you opportunity. But 2 right now, if there's any member of the public or audience 3 that wishes to be heard on a matter which is not a listed 4 agenda item, please come forward and tell us what's on your 5 mind. Well, looks like we got nobody coming forward, so 6 let's move on. Commissioner Letz? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Of course, everyone I'm sure is 8 aware today's Election Day, so I hope everyone goes to the 9 polls if they haven't voted already. Second item, I guess, 10 is that last week, Commissioner Baldwin and I had a meeting 11 with the president of Aqua Texas, their chief counsel, their 12 area representative, a representative from Senator Fraser's 13 office, representatives from community. Good meeting. Not 14 sure how much will come out of it. We -- we will get a 15 public meeting where they will put themselves before the 16 public in Kerr County at a public forum, hopefully between 17 now and the 4th of July, where they will have to make a -- or 18 will make a statement and take questions from the public, 19 explain the rate increase and some other issues. So, I think 20 that is positive. 21 There is a -- you know, a very slight option, I 22 would say, of getting them to modify a little bit of the rate 23 increase for Kerr County. Not going to hold my breath out 24 there, but at least we get a little bit there. They're 25 agreeable to work with, certainly, Senator Fraser's office 5-29-12 6 1 and Representative Hilderbran's office on some legislation 2 that might improve the whole rate process for water utilities 3 statewide. It's a little bit scary that we're kind of on the 4 same side on that, which we're -- that's making Buster and I 5 rethink our position, whether we need to be on the same side 6 with Aqua Texas. And, you know, they explained a few things. 7 It was a good meeting. I wish they would have done this 8 proactively earlier; I think it would have helped a lot, 9 explained why they're doing things. 10 Oh, and the other thing, probably the most 11 important thing out of the meeting, fire hydrants. They're 12 going to -- they have agreed they will paint the bonnets on 13 all fire hydrants within their developments in Kerr County, 14 the color -- I guess there's some color code that the state 15 has settled on so that the fire departments can tell the 16 water pressure at that hydrant. And they will also put 17 reflective tape on all the fire hydrants in Kerr County. So, 18 that right there, in my mind, made the meeting worthwhile. 19 Again, I don't know why they haven't done that proactively. 20 They seem to have no problem with doing it. But we met, and 21 it was as good a meeting as I think you could have, and 22 hopefully some good will come out of it. I think some has. 23 Other than that, I'd like to thank Commissioner 24 Oehler for cooking the other evening for an event with the 25 Stock Show Association. Once again, he did a really good 5-29-12 7 1 job. I'd like to thank the association for, you know, 2 continuing to push the new building at the Ag Barn, or barn 3 and exhibit hall. That was the purpose of it, was for them 4 to try and introduce that to some members of the public, and 5 that was a good event. I think that's it for today right 6 now. I've got more later. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Couple things. Of course, 9 the Hunt Centennial has come and gone. It was a very, very 10 good event, well attended. Commissioner Baldwin and I were 11 there. And I think that my estimate of 1,500 was a little 12 shy. I talked to somebody that did a little better count 13 than I did, and they said 2,500 at one -- one point in the 14 day when it was the largest crowd. That was planned for two 15 years by some people that put a lot of time into it, and the 16 entertainment was good, and I don't think Rusty had to arrest 17 anybody. The thing was totally a family function, and there 18 was no disorderly conduct or anything. It's rare to see an 19 event like that with that number of people not having a 20 problem. 21 Second thing is, I have to give a lot of credit and 22 thanks to Road and Bridge for the demolition on the Ag 23 Barn -- or hog barn. I worked with them for some days during 24 that time, and I think it was a good exercise for both myself 25 and them. But I will tell you they did an outstanding job, 5-29-12 8 1 and we are very fortunate we didn't have anybody get hurt. 2 We didn't tear up any equipment. One busted hydraulic line 3 was the extent of any damage that was done, and record time. 4 And the last report I got -- and I was hoping to have a check 5 this morning from Kerrville Recycle, but almost 100 tons, not 6 quite. The total check, I believe, is 21,500 and change. We 7 have one more small container to take out there yet. And 8 they not only brought the roll-offs and picked them up; they 9 -- they came regularly. They -- they stayed mostly ahead of 10 us. And they're paying us $20 more a ton than they pay the 11 general public because of the project that it is. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's great. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, my hat's off to Kerrville 14 Recycle and Road and Bridge, and it just shows what somebody 15 can do if they want to bad enough. And it's just -- it's the 16 right thing to do. It's a good use of public funds, and it 17 came off quickly, and now we're preparing for the -- to get 18 started on site work, which should happen in the next week or 19 so. Anyway, that's it. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can I follow up on one thing? 21 Just -- you didn't quite go one step further. On the -- on 22 the cost side of that, just so the public is aware, the press 23 hopefully can maybe write this down. The estimate we had was 24 $100,000 for demolition of that building. When you take 25 account for the 21,000-plus, that covered all of the direct 5-29-12 9 1 costs that Road and Bridge had, and probably some of the 2 indirect costs, being their labor costs. So, essentially -- 3 doesn't account for -- Bruce donated a lot of his time. 4 Appreciate that. But bottom line is that we saved probably 5 $100,000 on that, and it's -- it just goes one step further, 6 is that you know how committed the Court is to -- and county 7 employees are to get this project under way, completed, and 8 under budget. That's it. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Baldwin? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, thank you. I 12 wanted to talk about the emergency service district that we 13 have been talking about for some time. We are -- we may have 14 reached our goal. I'm not sure; I haven't counted had them 15 this morning. There's a new stack came in this morning; 16 Commissioner Oehler brought in some signatures. But if you 17 remember, we had to have 100 signatures of people that are 18 registered voters and property owners in the community, and 19 we're really close to that. And then one of the petitions 20 that was turned in Friday actually was signed by two people 21 that are willing to put up the 150 each for the -- some of 22 the cost, newspaper printing, et cetera. So, it's getting 23 close. And I -- I would think within the next week, at 24 least, Judge Tinley should be approached with that petition 25 by someone, maybe me, that hands it to him. And then the 5-29-12 10 1 very next meeting, first meeting in June, then we'll -- we'll 2 start that part of the process, and it looks like it's going 3 to fly, guys. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's great. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Really does. We'll -- and 6 if you remember right, what we're doing is just getting it on 7 the ballot for the November election. Counselor, do you want 8 to say anything at this time? About this. Not -- just don't 9 pick a topic, but just... (Laughter.) 10 MR. HENNEKE: No, sir. Commissioner, I agree with 11 what you said, and just would note for the Court that it is 12 important that we get -- or that the petition be completed 13 and submitted. If we have to act any later than the first 14 Commissioners Court meeting in June to accept the petition 15 and start the process, then that'll affect the timetable in 16 order to get this on the November ballot. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very good. So, I'm excited, 18 and it looks like -- looks like we're going to pull this 19 thing off. So, that's all, and I'm -- I'm excited about 20 this. It's time to do it. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: You bet. Judge, a lot of 22 exciting things going on. A lot of things going on with 23 Commissioners, and I support all those things right there. I 24 want to give you an update just on a couple of things I'm 25 real excited about. Last Monday, we had the U.S.D.A.-A.R.S. 5-29-12 11 1 Future Scientists program with Kerrville Independent School 2 District, and it was a program that involved 5th and 7th and 3 9th graders that were involved in our community. We're 4 looking at -- it was a combined effort, a partnering with our 5 local U.S.D.A. folks with our elementary and our -- our 6 students at K.I.S.D. It was a program that I looked at 7 starting about three years ago, and came to fruition, and 8 last -- last week we had the programs that were there. And 9 it was exciting to see our -- our school district work with 10 our U.S.D.A. folks on a project that was exciting about -- 11 involving agricultural research and those kind of projects 12 for future leaders in our community. K.I.S.D. is looking at 13 continuing that program, and Center Point is also getting 14 information on that program as well. So, it's an exciting 15 thing to see with that. 16 Also, just an update with you. Habitat for 17 Humanity, I attended their annual meeting that they had with 18 Glenn Andrews, their president for this year. They're going 19 to complete their 92nd and 93rd home in Kerr County this 20 year. I bring that to the Court just to let you know, in 21 2014 will be their 25-year anniversary, and they're looking 22 at having 100 homes completed at that time in our community, 23 and that is a wonderful program in our community. If we 24 think about Maud Jennings and the folks that helped start 25 that program 25 years ago, and seeing where it's at today, it 5-29-12 12 1 speaks volumes. So, let's keep an eye on that program and 2 what they're doing in those areas. 3 And I think just final -- closing, the memorial 4 services that were held over the last weekend, everything 5 from the ceremonies at the Bank of the Hills last week and to 6 yesterday, you know, coming from -- I was out at the National 7 Cemetery here in Kerrville where we had 450 veterans and 8 spouses that are buried out there. And coming from my former 9 business that I was in, I actually had a few services in that 10 cemetery over the years, and had -- it's closed down since 11 then. But if you haven't been out there, they've put fencing 12 around and sod grass, and they have a directory out there 13 right now, and it's something that was well overdue for our 14 veterans here in our community. But it was outstanding. All 15 the organizations that had participation in all the events 16 yesterday, all of our different veterans organizations and 17 communities, it was just really a good time, and celebrating 18 our veterans' service. So, I just want to share that with 19 you. Some excellent services yesterday in remembrance of our 20 veterans and their sacrifice for this country. That's it. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: I too want to give kudos to the Bank 22 of the Hills for again this year sponsoring that "Heroes All" 23 event that they've done for a number of years. They're very, 24 very clear about saying that this is not for their customers. 25 It's not a commercial event for them; it's a community event. 5-29-12 13 1 There were assurances given that even with the change of 2 ownership of that bank, it's going to continue. I hope that 3 that goes forward. Also, we had our event out here next to 4 the war memorial yesterday. It was reasonably well attended, 5 several members of the Court. Several members were at Bank 6 of the Hills and so forth. 7 You know, a lot of times we hear about, "Well, good 8 gosh, I don't think I can do that. I've never done that 9 before." I'm glad we don't have that attitude at our Road 10 and Bridge, because we've tasked those folks out there with 11 some things that they've never done before. This project, 12 the demo of the hog barn, the Sheriff's Office, the law 13 enforcement annex where they did all the site work out there, 14 and they're going to embark upon -- now this will be their 15 second shot at site work; they're well experienced at that, 16 having done it out there at the Sheriff's Office annex. But 17 the bottom line is, they don't have that attitude. You tell 18 them a job needs to get done, they do it, and they do it 19 first class. And that's what they've done every time they've 20 been tasked. So, my thanks to Leonard and Kelly and all 21 those guys and gals out there at Road and Bridge, because 22 they did one heck of a job, and we appreciate that. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hear, hear. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Again, primary day. It's right 25 after a holiday, probably a little confusion with the voting 5-29-12 14 1 being a little bit different than what it's been in the past. 2 Please, if you haven't voted, get out and vote. You have 3 that right because of the sacrifice that the men and women 4 that we honored yesterday gave you that right. They paid for 5 it. For God's sake, take advantage of it. Okay, let's get 6 on with it. First item, 9 a.m. timed item, presentation of 7 the 2011 Texas Association of Counties safety award. I have 8 not seen Mr. Boccaccio; we may have to come back to that. 9 He's probably late getting out of Austin. Got into some of 10 that wonderful Austin traffic, maybe. We'll go to our next 11 9 o'clock timed item; to consider, discuss, take appropriate 12 action to change the private road name Mary Drive South to 13 Agave Trail South, and located in Precinct 1. Mr. Odom? 14 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. What we have is the property 15 owners on Mary Drive South have requested a name change to 16 Agave Trail South. And this is a privately maintained road, 17 and the request has gone through 911 office, and all the 18 owners have petitioned for the requested name change. So, at 19 this time, I ask for your approval concerning the name 20 change, the private road of Mary Drive South to Agave Trail 21 South, Precinct 1. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 25 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 5-29-12 15 1 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 4 (No response.) 5 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Thank you, 6 Mr. Odom. 7 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Our third 9 o'clock timed item, Item 9 Number 3; presentation regarding Peterson Regional Medical 10 Center's new Peterson Community Care program. We've got a 11 couple of folks here from Peterson. If you'll come up, tell 12 us who you are, and tell us what you've got on your minds. 13 MR. PAUTLER: Yes, sir. My name is Steve Pautler, 14 P-a-u-t-l-e-r, Chief Operating Officer of Peterson Regional 15 Medical Center. I want to thank you, Judge and 16 Commissioners, for taking time. It's a busy day, and lots of 17 stress with the primary and everything else going on. It's 18 intended to be an informational item, but I also hope to open 19 some doors into cooperation and collaborative efforts in the 20 future. Peterson Community Regional -- Peterson Community 21 Care is a new service of Peterson Regional Medical Center. 22 Our mission is to deliver exceptional, compassionate, 23 patient-centered health care. We've talked briefly before 24 about the idea of doing the da Vinci surgical robot, which is 25 an example of doing some really exceptional high-tech patient 5-29-12 16 1 care, things that you can't do with the human hand. 2 What we're here to talk about today is Peterson 3 Community Care, which is at the other end of the technical 4 spectrum, but very high on the compassionate and high-touch 5 scale. Compared with our prior presentation that we 6 participated in, this is essential for the community, for all 7 the community of Kerr County, and it is the right time to do 8 this. This is an effort that supports our board's strategic 9 goal of offering quality primary care and specialty care for 10 all patients seeking health care at Peterson Regional Medical 11 Center, regardless of payment status. Right now, the medical 12 center provides a charity care benefit of roughly one and a 13 half million dollars every month. That's totally 14 uncompensated care. That's not the top line; that is usually 15 written down to some degree. That's the actual cost to the 16 medical center. 17 Now, when you compare that to roughly $3 million a 18 month that we pay in salaries, it's easy to get lost in the 19 big numbers. And we're paying $3 million in salaries every 20 month to our professional staff, and then on top of that, 21 we're providing a million and a half dollars in charitable 22 care out of the emergency room and out of hospitalized 23 patients who don't have a primary care physician to be 24 discharged to. Once you've been hospitalized, generally 25 you're going to need some follow-up care once you've been 5-29-12 17 1 hospitalized. Roughly 40 percent of our hospital service 2 patients don't have someone to be discharged to, so when you 3 look at 70 or 80 patients a month who come in, are sick 4 enough to need hospitalization, and then are discharged 5 without someone to be discharged to, what happens is they 6 come into the emergency room. Many of these folks don't have 7 a physician to follow their care, and so what we're 8 anticipating doing with Peterson Community Care is 9 establishing a transition clinic that will help us with 10 continuity of care over the continuum of health care that 11 will help meet these unmet needs in chronic conditions. 12 The clinic structure is what we plan to establish. 13 We're planning on putting this in the old Blockbuster Video 14 space along Junction Highway, so it's got great visibility. 15 It's got great access. It's something that is going to be 16 very attractive in terms of how we're going to be furnishing 17 and fitting it, but it's not going to be high-tech. We're 18 going to do wave test labs, which means dipstick labs there. 19 We'll send any of the more complicated labs over to the 20 hospital or ambulatory care center. Radiology equipment 21 we're not going to duplicate, because that's expensive to 22 duplicate, and so we're going to keep the costs down. We 23 plan on working with physician Dr. Virginia Barlow for 24 starters, who is -- let's see, where'd I put her C.V.? 25 Dr. Barlow is joining us as part of the hospitalist 5-29-12 18 1 program. She's been serving at a hospital at the Memorial 2 Hermann in Woodlands, Texas recently. She's also done 3 clinics like this in the past, and her heart is really here. 4 She's got a Bachelor of Music education from Southwest Texas 5 State University in San Marcos, so I guess she can sing to 6 you while she's lancing the boil, and her Doctor of Medicine 7 from University of Texas Medical Branch at Galveston. She 8 had her family practice residency at Memorial Family Practice 9 residency program in Houston, and has been Board-certified by 10 the American Board of Family Practice, so she's a 11 well-qualified person, and is terribly excited about coming 12 in here. The person who's been leading up much of the 13 organizational efforts has been Jenn McDermott. I heard the 14 door open; I wanted to see if she joined us -- there she is. 15 She's been a nurse practitioner since 1986, and has 16 participated in many different clinic settings of this 17 nature, and her heart is really in it. This wouldn't be 18 happening without all the efforts that she's been making. 19 The plan is to reduce the number of patients 20 selected in the emergency room for non-emergent care, 21 relieving the overutilization of E.R.and E.R. staff. It's 22 the most expensive place to get care, and it has very little 23 continuity, because on any given day, you may see a different 24 physician, who makes a good choice, but may be different than 25 the last patient. We're going to serve as a place for 5-29-12 19 1 follow-up care to patients discharged from the hospital, and 2 without a family physician. And for a lot of those chronic 3 conditions, someone newly diagnosed with diabetes or high 4 blood pressure, those are things that are going to have 5 tremendous physical consequences for the patients if they're 6 not properly managed with some continuity of care, keeping 7 them on the same blood pressure medicine, watching the way 8 the blood sugar fluctuates over time. 9 All those things run up costs unimaginably, and are 10 a tremendous cost to the patient and their family and the 11 community at large. Lost days of work, all those things 12 happen, and are preventable. So as your medical center, 13 we're trying to find ways to help improve the health of the 14 entire community, and we're trying to do it at the lowest 15 cost possible. And we're trying to have this clinic up and 16 running by this fall, so we're finishing up the work on the 17 contracts. We've got the providers in place. We're going to 18 be doing things that will get the rest of this in place very 19 quickly over the course of the summer. We're starting to 20 hire staff, and getting the space ready for that. So, do you 21 have questions? I've been rapid-firing this. Yes, sir? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: What percentage of patients that end 23 up being discharged from inpatient status in the hospital are 24 there that do not have a primary care physician? 25 MR. PAUTLER: From the hospitalist service, that's 5-29-12 20 1 where we have the best figures, it's between 35 and 40 2 percent of those patients don't have a primary care physician 3 to be discharged to. So, overall, more than 20 percent of 4 all hospital -- all the hospital patients don't have someone 5 to be discharged to. That doesn't count the E.R. There -- 6 there are folks who come in, and we're trying to get them 7 managed too, and so you may have someone who comes in seven 8 or eight or ten times in a one- or two-month period, and they 9 have some illness that requires constant monitoring, but 10 because of their payment status or some other source, they're 11 not able to get a physician to follow up on their care, so 12 they may be in our E.R. eight or ten times in a month or two. 13 So, getting some continuity there, getting their condition 14 managed so they don't have to come in is part of that goal as 15 well. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Steve, I've got a question 17 for you. First of all, again, thank -- thankful for 18 Peterson's million and a half dollar contribution. I mean, 19 that's what it is, $18 million a year -- 20 MR. PAUTLER: Yes. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: -- in unpaid services to our 22 community, and that's a huge commitment. 23 MR. PAUTLER: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: My question to you is, 25 Peterson tried the clinic at the Spur 98 bridge area over 5-29-12 21 1 there in the, you know, Lakehouse area. That, from what I 2 understand, was a -- a cash basis pay; was that correct? 3 MR. PAUTLER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: This particular clinic that 5 we're looking at is -- I'm glad to see it coming back again, 6 'cause it's a needed facility here. Will it be able to have 7 people come in with insurance? Will you be providing that 8 type of opportunity here for these folks? How is it 9 different from the one that Peterson did earlier, and then 10 this one right now? 11 MR. PAUTLER: For starters, we're going to try and 12 make sure that those people who don't have those other 13 resources are -- are directed that way, so we're going to 14 preferentially serve at the start those folks who have come 15 to the emergency room or been served in the hospitalist 16 program to make sure they don't bounce back in the hospital. 17 So, we're starting out on that level. And to answer the 18 question, any pay source will be accepted. One of the 19 differences is that they were preferring to get that cash 20 basis. They were trying to serve that unmet need of -- of 21 that urgent care and that occupational medicine, and several 22 other categories of folks. We are working on other things 23 that will help with, for example, occupational medicine, 24 preemployment physicals, other chronic testing. We're 25 working on another solution for that that maybe could be 5-29-12 22 1 located in this clinic, or it may be located in the Five 2 Points Center. So, we are working on that. 3 And the difference is, we'll take any payer, and 4 we'll work on a sliding scale. So if you have the resources 5 to participate in your care, we expect you to help 6 participate in the cost of your care. We will slide that 7 down based on income. And the charity care designation that 8 fits in the hospital will also fit in the clinic, so we'll 9 cross-reference the records so that we make sure that it -- 10 if we know that you don't have work, or you have a very low 11 income source, we're not going to have that as a barrier to 12 getting medical care in the clinic or in the hospital, so 13 we'll honor that charity care. And we'll have a sliding 14 scale that'll go down very low. We still will ask for 15 something so they participate in their care, because it's 16 been proven over time, people value something they 17 participate in more than something that is completely free. 18 But it won't be a barrier. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And just one follow-up 20 question. I would assume that with this facility, then, the 21 next thing is our -- our wait time at the emergency room 22 would be expedited; is that correct? 23 MR. PAUTLER: Well, we've got -- 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's the game plan? 25 MR. PAUTLER: We've got some good news on that, 5-29-12 23 1 anyway, because about a year and a half ago, one of the 2 things they looked at -- it was a big source of 3 dissatisfaction, wait time in the emergency room. We looked 4 at everything that went into it. We went from -- well, 5 literally, the parking lot until they were either discharged 6 to home or sent to another trauma center for referral, or 7 upstairs to be hospitalized. We decreased the total time in 8 the emergency room from something like three -- between three 9 and four hours on an average scale -- including my 10 mother-in-law once upon a time; I didn't want to have her 11 stay any longer there than I had to -- decreasing that to -- 12 we cut those wait times and treatment times about in half, 13 based on looking at every single thing, from how the labs 14 were sent up to where you were seated. 15 So, you know, if you come into the emergency room, 16 unless they are already at capacity, the expectation is that 17 they will walk you right back to an available room, based on 18 having the staffing available, and that the physician will 19 see you within that first 30 minutes. I'd like to get it 20 closer. We've been steadily improving on that as well, but 21 we expect you to see a physician within 30 minutes. We 22 expect that you will be walked right back to the next 23 available room until capacity is reached, and those things 24 are having big improvements in wait time and total treatment 25 time, and in patient satisfaction, so those are things that 5-29-12 24 1 we've been doing. And I'm glad you haven't needed the 2 services. It's a heck of a thing to have a service that 3 nobody wants. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 5 MR. PAUTLER: Or wants to need. But we've been 6 working on all those things, and have been improving them for 7 the past couple years. And so beyond that, so now we've got 8 that managed, and we're going to keep an eye on it to make 9 sure it stays there. And then the next step is, okay, who 10 doesn't need to be in there? For example, a patient who had 11 a calcium deficiency that left them just feeling terribly 12 ill, and having -- it's a critical issue, because your heart 13 doesn't work right if you don't have calcium. And so that 14 person was coming in for calcium infusions on a regular 15 basis. For that person, we found a way to get them calcium 16 infusions and monitoring on a regular basis outside the 17 emergency room. That's the kind of thing we're trying to get 18 ahead of and trying to look ahead and see what -- what's this 19 person's real need beyond what they've come in for today? 20 And if it's someone that's been coming in a lot, how can we 21 meet that need on a regular basis so that they don't need to 22 be hospitalized or come to the emergency room, and -- and 23 they lose less time with their family, with their job, with 24 everything else, and so that's an example of something we're 25 trying to do. Yes, sir? 5-29-12 25 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of the -- just -- the page 2 I'm looking at, -- 3 MR. PAUTLER: Yes? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the last item says, 5 "Peterson Community Care was not created for drop-in or 6 urgent care." Is there a -- you mentioned physicals and 7 employment-type work, that you're looking at that. Are you 8 looking -- is the hospital looking at doing something in the 9 urgent care area? Because that -- it seems that's an area 10 that would also -- that stacks up in the emergency room when 11 people have a cold on a Saturday. They can't get to their 12 doctor's office, even if they have a doctor. 13 MR. PAUTLER: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are y'all looking at doing 15 something like -- I mean, I know in Boerne they have several. 16 Maybe -- I think Franklin Clinic's here. 17 MR. PAUTLER: Yeah. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, anyway, is the hospital 19 looking at doing something along that line? 20 MR. PAUTLER: The short answer is yes, we're always 21 looking at ways that we can meet those health care needs. 22 And we do have urgent care that is -- we're trying to make 23 that turnover even faster, but there's still an expense 24 associated with that, and so we are looking at how can we 25 meet that need? How can we work with the physicians that are 5-29-12 26 1 already in the community to make sure we keep the cadre of 2 physicians basically that are already here, and then how can 3 we meet those others needs? Those things -- my daughter had 4 pink eye last week, or I thought she had pink eye, and we had 5 to come in and have somebody else that wasn't me look at it, 6 'cause I can't sign her own slips. So, it's that same thing 7 of, is it infectious? Is it not? People come to these 8 places because they need a decision from a medical provider 9 that they can't get by themselves, and so any way we can find 10 to expedite that, to make it easier to get into and keep the 11 costs reasonable, we're looking for ways to do that. I'd 12 like to tell you what kind of a time frame I'm on, but I'm 13 not really sure, because getting there is a real priority for 14 the medical center. We have to be able to manage these costs 15 effectively, and so this is something that is jumping up at 16 us as a priority, both from a clinical perspective and from a 17 financial perspective. So, we're going to try and do this 18 now, and then we're going to look for every other avenue we 19 can to help maintain the health of the community. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Would you like for us to go 22 out and talk in the community and talk about the dipstick? 23 MR. PAUTLER: Don't talk about me that way. 24 (Laughter.) I'm just kidding. No -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So was I. 5-29-12 27 1 MR. PAUTLER: No, the -- the dipstick lab test is 2 something that's commonly done in clinics throughout the 3 country. There are a lot of tests that you can do on a rapid 4 basis. You can either do a strep test in the throat by 5 swabbing the throat, you can dip a reagent in urine, and you 6 can get -- right now, you can get a pretty good idea of, 7 which direction is this person going? Are they dropping 8 ketones and protein in their urine? I mean, that's a pretty 9 good indicator, if I'm not feeling well, my blood sugar's up, 10 I'm dropping ketones and protein in the urine, we need to do 11 a lot more work with you. We need to make sure you do not 12 get into diabetic ketoacidosis, and those are things that you 13 can do right now in a real hurry, and you can say, "Okay, 14 we're going to go this way," or, "We're going to go that 15 way." And so that's why we have that kind of testing there. 16 And we'll have some other things, like the blood 17 glucose meter. Those are things that are very simple, cheap, 18 easy to operate, effective, and clinically very useful. And 19 so there a lot of things we can do without adding a lot of 20 cost to it. And then for any of the other tests, if you need 21 a blood test, we can draw it at the clinic, send it over to 22 the medical center, and then have the results back in a -- in 23 a big hurry. Then with radiology equipment, the same way. 24 Rather than -- those lead-lined walls are expensive, and so's 25 the equipment. So, if we can make more use of the equipment 5-29-12 28 1 we've got and keep that from adding cost to the clinic, then 2 that's what we want to do. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Super. Thank you. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It seems like, you know, this 5 is the way to -- the goal for the future. If you don't have 6 these smaller clinics and things to do some of the work the 7 emergency room's been doing, number one, you can't keep up 8 with the flow, and number two, you're not -- you know, you're 9 not going to cut any costs anywhere. 10 MR. PAUTLER: We're having -- we're having to look 11 at a lot of things differently than we would have 5 or 10 or 12 15 years ago. Things are changing in a hurry, and we're 13 working hard to keep up with those things that we need to 14 change. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Right. Glad you're doing 16 this. 17 MR. PAUTLER: Thank you, sir. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thanks, Steve. 19 MR. PAUTLER: Other questions? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: What does Ms. Winters have to tell 21 us today? 22 MS. WINTERS: We appreciate you listening to us. 23 (Laughter.) By announcing this. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Always ready, isn't she? 25 MR. PAUTLER: I am thrilled beyond measure that 5-29-12 29 1 Lisa's joined the hospital, if for no other point than 2 because I was trying to do many things she's doing so 3 exceptionally well now in her new role. So, we're very 4 thrilled to have her working with us at Peterson. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: She's the best thing going 6 for you. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: She's a smart pick-up. 8 MR. PAUTLER: Yes, sir. 9 MS. WINTERS: Thank you. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 11 Let us go back to our first 9 o'clock timed item, a 12 presentation of the 2011 Texas Association of Counties safety 13 award to Kerr County. Mr. Larry Boccaccio with Texas 14 Association of Counties is here. He's in risk management, 15 among other things, over there at the Texas Association of 16 Counties, and he serves Kerr County and a number of other 17 counties. 18 MR. BOCCACCIO: Good morning, y'all. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Morning. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good morning. 22 MR. BOCCACCIO: I was trying to find that, thank 23 you. Took me a little bit of time to get out of Austin this 24 morning, which is -- needless to say, that's the story of my 25 life. Anyway, what the Judge said, this is the 2011 safety 5-29-12 30 1 award, and somewhere in this envelope, there's actually a 2 press release. Okay. This was awarded at C.M.I., County 3 Management Institute, back last month, and it states, Kerr 4 County received a 2011 safety award for its record of 5 involvement and commitment to safety in the workplace, as 6 well as for controlling worker's comp claims. To qualify for 7 the Texas Association of Counties' safety award, the county 8 must self-insure with their worker's compensation through 9 TAC, which is us, and successfully complete the safety award 10 criteria. Kerr County was one of only 27 counties honored 11 with the 2011 safety ward. So, I'll spare you the rest of 12 the details; how's that? That's -- that's good, folks. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: How many consecutive years have we 14 managed to obtain that award? Do you recall off the top of 15 your head? 16 MR. BOCCACCIO: Three, four, five -- something. 17 Four? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Four or five. 19 MR. BOCCACCIO: And here's something -- a new 20 wrinkle added to this. We changed the qualifications for the 21 gold star safety award for this year, and we're looking at 22 counties that maintain that less than .85 loss ratio for 23 three years, and those gold stars are hard to come by, folks. 24 So, out of the 27, I think we gave six away this year. So, 25 you're looking good for a gold star next year. How's that? 5-29-12 31 1 And -- 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 3 MR. BOCCACCIO: -- here's this one to add to the 4 collection. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you very much. 6 MR. BOCCACCIO: You're welcome. 7 (Applause.) 8 MS. LAVENDER: Somebody -- somebody get down here. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Why don't you come on up here? 10 (Photograph taken.) 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, sir. 12 MR. BOCCACCIO: You're welcome. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's put it back here; let's don't 15 let you wander back to Austin with it. 16 MR. BOCCACCIO: All right. Thank you. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Lest you get an erroneous impression 18 here, this Court is not responsible for this award. Our 19 employees are responsible for this ward. They stress safety 20 in the workplace. When there are accidents, they're handled 21 in a proper manner; there are investigations made. Upon 22 determination of the cause, if there are improvements that 23 can be instituted so as to prevent future accidents, they're 24 initiated. All of this is coordinated through our H.R. 25 department. Ms. Lantz was not able to be with us here today. 5-29-12 32 1 She's an election judge, I believe, if I'm not mistaken, -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: -- at the polls down in Precinct 3, 4 where she lives. But she coordinates that, and she's been 5 doing a bang-up job tending to those matters. But it's the 6 employees that earn this award; it's not this Court, and we 7 appreciate what they do. They keep your worker's comp costs 8 down, and they're the ones that make this effective. I 9 believe a few years ago, we actually got a cash award, but 10 every year since then, we've been getting credits on our 11 worker's comp cost, which is the same as cash. I mean, we 12 just turn around and give it back to them, but we give back 13 less to them that way, so it has a real value to it, and we 14 appreciate it. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: True. 16 MR. BOCCACCIO: Judge, let me throw just two cents 17 worth. Like you said, in prior years we used to give the big 18 check presentation, and what we found, and you kind of 19 touched on it, was it's -- the safety award is earned, and it 20 takes management support to get that in place. And -- and 21 the safety -- the big check, it got to be where it was kind 22 of an expectation, and not really a follow-through in some 23 cases, so that's why we did away with it and went with the 24 credits. But -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: It's real money either way you go. 5-29-12 33 1 MR. BOCCACCIO: Absolutely, and you guys are doing 2 a great job, so I thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 4 MR. BOCCACCIO: Makes my job easier. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you very much, Larry. 6 MR. BOCCACCIO: You're welcome. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to our 9:15 timed item now, 8 somewhat belatedly. Item 7, to recognize and present awards 9 to the two top individuals for the Kerr County wellness 10 program, Sonic Boom eight-week challenge. Ms. Hargis? 11 MS. HARGIS: And Cindi. By default, I get to give 12 the Sonic Boom award that Dawn and I attended and brought 13 back. I think we went to the seminar in February or March, 14 and I'm real excited that everybody took part in it. I hope 15 everybody had a good time. I know that I had more people ask 16 me what that little black thing was on my shoe. So, I'm real 17 excited to make the presentation this morning to our two 18 people. The winner, at 902,000 steps, walking an average of 19 15,831 steps, more than 307 miles, and averaging 5.4 miles a 20 day, is Tim Bollier. 21 (Applause.) 22 MS. HARGIS: And Tim has in his hand a plaque and a 23 card worth $200 to have custom shoes made by Nike. He will 24 design them, and they will build them just for you. 25 MR. BOLLIER: Woo-hoo. 5-29-12 34 1 MS. HARGIS: How about that? Our second 2 prizewinner walked 688,828 steps, for an average of 12,085 3 steps per day. She walked more than 286 miles, averaging 5 4 miles a day, is Carol Twiss. 5 (Applause.) 6 MS. HARGIS: And Carol has a card for 150,000 with 7 Nike. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 150,000? 9 MS. HARGIS: $150, sorry. 150,000, that would be a 10 lot, Carol. 11 MS. TWISS: That would. They should have converted 12 all the running miles. Did you run at all? 13 MR. BOLLIER: That's the secret. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: I can give you the answer to that. 15 MS. HARGIS: Get both of them up here. 16 (Discussion off the record.) 17 MS. LAVENDER: Smile. 18 (Photograph taken.) 19 MS. LAVENDER: Okay. 20 MS. HARGIS: Let's give them all a big round of 21 applause. 22 (Applause.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, ma'am. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Now you have to go back to 25 work, Tim, instead of walking. 5-29-12 35 1 MR. BOLLIER: Yeah, I have to go back to work, 2 Rusty. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You can't walk all day any 4 more. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's go to our first 9:30 6 timed item, Item Number 10; to consider, discuss, take 7 appropriate action to approve agreement with Peter Lewis 8 Architect for Kerr County to pay jointly with the City of 9 Kerrville for the engineering, architectural specifications, 10 and other soft costs which detail the facility and required 11 upgrades for the former B.A. Products building at the 12 Kerrville/Kerr County Airport which must be submitted with 13 the application for grant funding by Alamo Colleges for 14 workforce training for welders and other worker training at 15 that facility. You recall that -- that we had earlier 16 approved utilizing that B.A. Products building jointly with 17 the City, who is co-owner of that property with the County, 18 for workforce training. And there -- an issue arose. Alamo 19 Colleges has the ability to get a grant to do that workforce 20 training, plus acquire a bunch of equipment, make a lot of 21 upgrades to the building which the City and the County 22 jointly own, but in order to do that, they had to have 23 certain architectural and engineering upgrades and layouts in 24 order to specify what had to be done. Previously, this Court 25 actually approved jointly paying that cost with the City, 5-29-12 36 1 with each of us paying one-half of it. So, having previously 2 agreed to it, now we have the agreement before the Court for 3 Mr. Lewis. The agreement was previously set up to go with 4 Alamo Colleges. They did not have the funding available, so 5 that's why the City and the County picked it up. And I 6 assume you've had an opportunity to review it, Mr. Henneke? 7 MR. HENNEKE: I have. Mr. Lewis and I are getting 8 good at agreements between him and the County. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. Y'all have pretty well got 10 things smoothed out on an ongoing basis? 11 MR. HENNEKE: Pretty well choreographed by now, 12 Judge. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Essentially, what this does, it 14 approves what the Court has previously agreed to do. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The grant actually does 16 upgrades -- pays for upgrades? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Alamo Colleges will pay for the 18 upgrades. The grant will pay for the worker training, is my 19 understanding of how that's going to occur. At the end of 20 the day, we'll end up with a much better building in terms of 21 electrical, ventilation, and A.D.A. compliance. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Just speaking generally. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, our part as far as 25 outlay of money is just with Mr. Lewis? 5-29-12 37 1 JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: As usual. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: One-half of the cost to the City. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And providing the facility at 7 no cost. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Which we've already agreed to also. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sounds like a good deal to 12 me. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: It is. We'll get more than that in 14 upgrades back. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And also the huge benefit, 16 again, is just the training, once it's in place, is the jobs 17 that are going to be created by it. That's the huge thing. 18 So, that's the exciting thing here. So, with that, Judge, 19 I'd like to make the motion to approve this agreement with 20 Peter Lewis. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 23 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where's the money coming from, 25 Ms. Auditor? Ms. Auditor? 5-29-12 38 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Hargis, where's the money coming 2 from? 3 MS. HARGIS: Either contingency or professional 4 fees, whichever y'all prefer. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Do we have it in professional? 6 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Probably -- 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I thought that was getting 10 some of the money that was left over from the runway -- 11 taxiway project that we were going to use. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Good point. Good point. 13 MS. HARGIS: We do have -- 14 JUDGE TINLEY: The taxiway return funds? 15 MS. HARGIS: We do have that $9,000 to use, if the 16 -- if the Court -- 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I understood it was to be 18 paid from that. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think that's right. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: That can only be spent at the 21 airport anyway, correct? 22 MS. HARGIS: That's correct. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Why don't we do that? 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There you go. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 6,000 -- 5-29-12 39 1 JUDGE TINLEY: In fact, I think that's actually 2 what we've already approved. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's what I thought we did 4 approve. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the -- as I read the 7 agreement, that amount is not to exceed 6,000, 4,800 plus 8 1,200 of possible reimbursement. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think that is correct. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, 'cause City of 11 Kerrville's supposed to split it with us. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. They're paying the 13 other parts of it. The fee is -- all right. 14 MS. HARGIS: I haven't seen the agreement, so I 15 don't know. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's 4,800 for the actual fee, 17 and then the total of 2,400 for the reimbursables, which half 18 of that will be 1,200. Am I looking at that correctly, 19 Peter? He's nodding correct. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions? Comments? All 21 in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Did you make a motion? 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I did. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I missed it. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: He seconded. 5-29-12 40 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I guess I'm deaf in one ear 2 and can't hear out of the other. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. All opposed, same sign. 5 (No response.) 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Okay, let's go to 7 our second 9:30 timed item, Number 11; consider and discuss, 8 take appropriate action regarding proposal from Peter Lewis 9 Architect to provide additional services in support of 10 rainwater collection storage and distribution system for the 11 show barn. Commissioner Oehler? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This was put on by both Peter 13 and I. He is requesting that we consider an additional 14 amount of money for outside the scope of what was intended 15 for his service to be in the beginning. The rainwater system 16 we did not foresee as being that time-consuming on his part, 17 but -- but I believe that Gary Hatch is -- from what Peter 18 told me, has spent about 10 hours trying to get together with 19 the part that is going to be attached to the building, 20 actually. That's part of the difference, but I'll let Peter 21 tell you more about it, but that's kind of where we're going 22 with this thing. And I -- I put it on the agenda 'cause if 23 he wants any additional money, he's going to have to get it 24 approved. 25 MR. LEWIS: Good morning, Judge, Commissioners. 5-29-12 41 1 Indeed, the rainwater storage collection and distribution 2 system was not in our original scope, and the actual 3 implementation of that will be done -- it will be bid out, 4 but we've been -- had the consulting services that Rainwater 5 Systems of Texas, Barry Wall, and then, of course, mechanical 6 and electrical, our mechanical and plumbing engineers. And 7 how we intend to use that rainwater is, the system itself 8 will be in one or two phases, two 65,000-gallon storage 9 tanks, very much like the Salvation Army's Kroc Community 10 Center system, but we will be using water in some more 11 creative ways. We'll be using the water -- in addition to 12 doing some fairly straightforward things, like sprinkling the 13 indoor arena using that water, and -- and other wash-down, 14 we'll be using it for wash-down inside the new show barn, and 15 also be using it for all the hose bibs. That will -- they 16 will be labeled as non-potable water. 17 We'll also be using the water to flush urinals and 18 water closets. It will not be a potable water source. It 19 will not be treated for drinking, and so there will be -- 20 it's going to be important to have that signage in place. 21 But what that means is, we've got really double distribution, 22 because we will have two different systems; we'll have the 23 domestic system, and then this rainwater recycled system. 24 And the valves and the -- and switches, et cetera, to make 25 sure that when water's available, it can be used. When it's 5-29-12 42 1 not, then it will be supplemented by potable water from our 2 city water. And it just takes -- it's taken -- we anticipate 3 some more time. We -- we proposed to do this hourly to a 4 maximum amount. I don't know that we'll actually end up with 5 that maximum amount, but we don't want any surprises. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It makes sense. I mean, they 7 -- I've met with -- had some meetings, and a lot more has 8 gone into this than I really thought, you know, originally. 9 So, I think it's certainly warranted. 10 MR. LEWIS: Because we do want to bid the work, and 11 if we were just negotiating with a single-source provider, we 12 could probably hand off a lot of that to them and let them do 13 that as part of their package. But because it is a public 14 project, we have to put together a set of -- or a bid drawing 15 to do that. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: When do you anticipate this 17 being able to go out for bid? 18 MR. LEWIS: Well, we've got a review set that 19 Commissioner Oehler has -- I mean Commissioner Letz has, and 20 I've got one for you, this week, and so we'll be ready in the 21 next, I'd say, seven to 10 days. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So you think we could have a 23 special meeting maybe for next Monday? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: If we're going to be ready by then, 25 we can sure have one. 5-29-12 43 1 MR. LEWIS: Mr. Henneke does need to review our 2 front-end stuff, but as he said, we've gotten a pretty good 3 rhythm going for the language in the boilerplate. The 4 things -- the thing we have to nail down are the 5 advertisement dates and the actual bid dates, when we will 6 issue, when we will receive bids. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we need to probably, I 8 would say -- I mean, when do you need any comments back on 9 the plans that -- 10 MR. LEWIS: This week. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I guess once you get 12 that, how long will it take to make a turn-around? 13 MR. LEWIS: I'm presuming that it won't -- there 14 won't be a lot. It's pretty straightforward. Three or four 15 days. We'd be ready to issue next week if you get us 16 something this week. So, I don't know that a special session 17 on Monday -- that we'd have the final drawings to lay in 18 front of you. The signed, sealed drawings. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Won't have any problem 20 getting it out of me. I've already reviewed stuff all along, 21 just like Jonathan. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we can probably have 23 the drawings to you by Thursday. 24 MR. LEWIS: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, can you -- if you get 5-29-12 44 1 them by Thursday, can you, for Monday -- 2 MR. LEWIS: I -- 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Or Tuesday. I mean, we just -- I 4 just don't want to have a meeting set and have it the wrong 5 date. We can do it Tuesday, Wednesday. 6 MR. LEWIS: Tim said, "Just say yes." (Laughter.) 7 It depends on what -- how much coordination we have to do 8 with our consultants, because they're out of house, and we 9 need to -- we need to get it right. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I just want to make sure that 11 we don't slow the process down. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 13 MR. LEWIS: Y'all aren't the impediment. It's just 14 a matter of taking the time to do it right. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Right, I totally agree. I 16 move approval of the agenda item. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 19 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 20 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Thank you 25 very much, Mr. Lewis. 5-29-12 45 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the amount of this is -- 2 MR. LEWIS: Thank you, gentlemen. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If I can clarify for the 4 motion, it's $4,000 will come out of the capital fund -- 5 capital project. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's maximum. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maximum, yes. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's -- let's go back to 10 Item 4, if we might, to consider, discuss, take appropriate 11 action to establish Kerr County recycling program and the 12 contract with Allied Waste Services to dispose of county 13 recyclables. 14 MR. HENNEKE: Morning again. Last Commissioners 15 Court meeting, I brought forth to the Court an idea about 16 starting to collect recyclables at Kerr County. Initially, 17 the proposal was to try it with the courthouse facility. The 18 direction from the Commissioners Court was to add, if they 19 were interested, the Sheriff's complex and also the Juvenile 20 Probation complex. Both Sheriff's Office, Adult Probation, 21 and Juvenile Probation/J.D.C. are willing to recycle their 22 materials. So, bringing it back, actually, the per-site cost 23 has gone down. On the very last page, this is what I had 24 from Allied Waste. Starting off, it's hard to predict how 25 much recyclables will be generated, but what this is is a 5-29-12 46 1 quote for a 2-yard size container picked up every other week, 2 and $53 approximately per -- per location. It's a 3 month-to-month agreement, terminable at any time, for any 4 reason. 5 And so I think it will probably take a little bit 6 of tweaking when we see the volume or type. For example, I'm 7 not sure if the J.D.C. is going to have the same volume as, 8 for example, the courthouse or the Sheriff's complex. Maybe 9 we need to increase our frequency and decrease theirs, but we 10 can see how it goes. I've visited with Tim on that. We've 11 been working together on this proposal. As we discussed last 12 time, with the services, it's just outside pickup, just like 13 with our dumpster. We get it out there; they pick up the 14 container every other week. And so the process for 15 collecting the recyclable materials from each of the 16 departments within the courthouse, and then Adult Probation, 17 Sheriff's Office, the J.D.C., will be something that we would 18 have to figure out. Certainly, there would be some up-front 19 expenditures if we chose to purchase those recyclable tubs 20 for each -- you know, for each department. That would be a 21 one-time cost, and then any other logistics that are 22 involved. 23 You know, as we discussed during the last 24 Commissioners Court meeting, you know, it's an idea brought 25 forth. I don't know if the Court wants to look at this for 5-29-12 47 1 something starting with next year's budget, or if there's 2 money available in the current budget to start right away. 3 My hope is that by doing this, we're going to see a decrease 4 in the volume of waste materials in the dumpsters, and also 5 hopefully a decrease in the volume of shredding that we do. 6 As I said, my office only shreds what we're legally required 7 to do, but we -- we do spend a considerable amount of money 8 shredding, and if there's some papers that are being shredded 9 that just could be recycled, then maybe that'll be a cost 10 savings there. But you gentlemen asked me to bring this back 11 after I'd checked and found out about the cost to add the 12 other two premises, and I've done so. And happy to answer 13 any questions, or -- or keep working on this. I'm just, at 14 this point, looking for your direction. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's a good idea. And 16 Jannett's office -- she pointed out to me how much stuff that 17 she's generating, that a lot of it can be recycled and not 18 shredded. 19 MS. PIEPER: However, after just listening to him, 20 knowing that it would sit out there for a couple of weeks, I 21 would not be comfortable putting those files in -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, that's not good. Well, 23 maybe you can put it in the sallyport or somewhere. 24 MR. BOLLIER: Wait a minute, y'all have got me 25 really confused here. We already have Shred-It come in, so 5-29-12 48 1 why are we putting files in? That's what my question is. We 2 already have Shred-It. We already shred the paper; we're 3 already doing all that. I thought the recycle -- this 4 recyclable stuff here was Coke cans, plastic -- 5 MR. HENNEKE: And paper. 6 MR. BOLLIER: And paper. I mean, the files are 7 already going over here. We pick that up every four weeks. 8 MR. HENNEKE: No, what I'm saying is that if there 9 are files and paper, so on, so forth, that's being shredded 10 -- 'cause were spending, I think, 1,500 sometimes a month on 11 shredding. 12 MS. HARGIS: No. No. 13 MS. UECKER: No, that's one time. 14 MR. HENNEKE: We're certainly spending more than 15 $50 a month on shredding. And if there are paper products 16 being put into the shredding bins that don't have to be 17 shredded, then maybe we would see a reduction in our 18 shredding bill if that stuff is going into the recycling 19 instead. Maybe not. I don't know. I don't know how this 20 will work, but it's an idea that I had that I've been working 21 on with Allied Waste, and Tim and I talked about it on 22 several occasions, but I just wanted to share it with y'all. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I guess, obviously -- I 24 mean, paper -- it says recyclables, so -- 25 MR. HENNEKE: Paper, aluminum cans, cardboard, 5-29-12 49 1 plastics. Just, I mean, your -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But it all has to be divided 3 up. 4 MR. HENNEKE: No, it doesn't. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just dump it all together? 6 They divide it? 7 MR. HENNEKE: Right. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess, what isn't recyclable, 9 then? 10 MR. HENNEKE: Hard to say these days. I mean -- 11 MS. PIEPER: Probably easier to say which would be 12 the difference to go between that company versus the 13 Shred-It. 14 MR. HENNEKE: Yeah. Food waste isn't recyclable. 15 I don't think that styrofoam is, you know, if you get a 16 take-out container. I think it would be easier to say what 17 is recyclable. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The agreement, Rob, is a year 19 agreement with -- 20 MR. HENNEKE: It's month-to-month, terminable at 21 any time, for any reason. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think you try it. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It's a good thing. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: If it doesn't work, we'll -- 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Then we go from there. 5-29-12 50 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- go back to what we were 2 doing. 3 MR. HENNEKE: Like I said, there is the up-front 4 cost of outfitting -- you know, if the County chose to buy 5 recycle, you know, plastic bins for each of the offices, I 6 don't know how much those cost. Or you can just get a 7 cardboard box and write "recycle" on it. That's what I, you 8 know, did when I worked for the state. So -- 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think it's a good thing, 10 with our schools doing this type of programs already, and you 11 got it already, a lot of our businesses in our community. I 12 think it's just getting the county up to -- up to speed with 13 it. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. There's one 15 constituent's letter that I received last week, "You dumb 16 asses, why haven't y'all been doing this already?" 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we -- you know -- 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Good comment. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think I would probably -- 21 rather than do it at all facilities, just kind of do maybe 22 the main courthouse, and possibly at the jail. They're 23 probably the big -- big producer of trash, I would imagine. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Is that a compliment or an 25 insult? 5-29-12 51 1 MR. HENNEKE: The only thing that leaves off is the 2 J.D.C., which is probably going to be the smallest producer 3 and the smallest premises. I mean, adding that third 4 location or keeping it off, I don't see it makes much of a 5 measurable difference. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Actually, since the jail's 7 making the meals for the J.D.C. most of the time now, those 8 cans, things like that, are at the jail anyhow. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it would be better to 10 start, and if it's really working real -- just a whole lot, 11 and is helping a lot, -- 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: You can add it. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- I think you can add the 14 J.D.C., but probably start at the courthouse and jail to 15 start with. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Courthouse and jail? What 17 happened to the probation offices? I didn't see jail on 18 here. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I'm just -- I mean, I'm 20 trying to figure out where the most trash is generated and 21 see, rather than -- if it's $53 per location -- 22 MR. HENNEKE: Right. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so you could just add 24 jail on there, and nothing changes? 25 MR. HENNEKE: Well, I think the -- the 400 5-29-12 52 1 Clearwater Paseo is that entire complex. I don't know why 2 they listed Probation. It should be the Sheriff's Office. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see, okay. Yeah, okay. 4 MR. HENNEKE: It's that -- 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Complex. 6 MR. HENNEKE: -- complex. Thank you, Sheriff. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Law enforcement complex. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. I'll make a motion that 10 we -- well, first of all, let's discuss a little bit on 11 the -- when do you want to start this? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I really -- if there's 13 money, I really think that we need to start -- need to get 14 going on this thing if we're going to do it at all. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Where's the funding coming 16 from immediately? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's what I'm saying. Tim, 18 do you have any in maintenance? It's a maintenance -- 19 MR. BOLLIER: How many months do we have left? 20 There should be -- there should be -- 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: You got four. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He's already said -- don't 23 let him hem and haw around. 24 MR. BOLLIER: $208? We should have enough. 25 MS. UECKER: Well, from what I can see, this is 5-29-12 53 1 probably a great thing for cans and bottles. As far as the 2 paper in my office, I'll continue to put everything in 3 Shred-It, 'cause it's going to take me longer to sit there 4 and divide -- divide up what needs to be shredded and what 5 doesn't. So -- and all the Shred-It trucks, all that is 6 recycled. It goes directly to San Antonio. So, I mean, I 7 can see where it would be good for cans and stuff like that, 8 but not necessarily for paper, unless it's newspaper, 9 something like that. 10 MR. HENNEKE: You don't have to be -- every 11 department and elected official would figure out what they're 12 putting in it and what they're not, but I'm certainly not 13 telling anybody what to put in there. Newspapers, that's 14 another example of what can be recycled. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Ms. Uecker, I think when you 16 get to the issue of what's required to be shredded and what's 17 not mandated to be shredded, obviously, if there's a 18 question, you're going to shred it, because you don't want 19 anything in the clear that shouldn't be in the clear. So, 20 there's probably going to be minimal paper. 21 MS. UECKER: I'm sure every office is different, 22 but in my office, I'm shredding everything, except maybe 23 newspapers. 24 MR. BOLLIER: Judge, the only thing I'd like to ask 25 the Court to do is just don't let them put the files and 5-29-12 54 1 stuff into this recycle stuff here, because I can't keep it 2 -- I don't want to have to separate. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, you can't. 4 MR. BOLLIER: The -- the Shred-It, the way it's 5 working now, I can lock all that up, okay? I can lock all 6 that up. We usually pick it up on the Thursday before 7 Shred-It comes on Friday, so when I -- I'll put it 8 downstairs, and I can lock it up; nobody can get to it. I'm 9 just concerned -- I don't want anybody putting files in 10 there, especially if there's something that somebody 11 shouldn't be looking at, and somebody can walk by and see or 12 whatever, la, la, la. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, if it needs to be shredded, 14 it's going to continue to go to the Shred-It blue bags. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: And that's the difference. If it 17 doesn't have to be shredded, it can be put in a general 18 recyclable -- 19 MR. BOLLIER: Well, that's my only concern. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the two things, you 21 know, that we probably should -- it's going to be easier to 22 keep the things you don't recycle separate, to me, than -- 23 you know, what does -- you know, or somehow we need to 24 identify what needs to be recycled. I wouldn't know that 25 styrofoam can't be recycled. So I think we need to, you 5-29-12 55 1 know, figure out what needs to go into the recycle box. 2 MR. HENNEKE: I can get that information from -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And put that -- make that 4 clear. But all that being said, I'll go ahead and make a 5 motion that we authorize a contract with Allied Waste 6 Services to dispose of county recyclables to be started at 7 the courthouse and at the jail, and the monthly charge to 8 come out of Maintenance Department budget. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Law enforcement center. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, law enforcement center. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 13 indicated. Any question, comments on the motion? All in 14 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. 19 MR. HENNEKE: Judge, I'll revise this and send it 20 to your office. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that motion did include all 23 authorization for the County Judge to sign a contract. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to our 10 o'clock timed 25 item, Number 15, to consider, discuss, take appropriate 5-29-12 56 1 action on Workforce Solutions Alamo Youth Worksite Agreement 2 with Kerr County. Summer of 2012, Workforce Solutions Alamo 3 is promoting and offering Youth Worksite programs within the 4 AACOG region. Presentation to be made by Gaylyn Dieringer -- 5 now, wait a minute. 6 MR. PLUMMER: Yes, sir. Substitute. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Workforce Director for AACOG. 8 Commissioner Overby, I'm going to let you run with this one. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you, Judge and 10 Commissioners. Obviously, this is not Gaylyn this morning 11 with us. I got a telephone call from Gaylyn earlier this 12 morning, and she had some things that did come up that she's 13 going to be preoccupied in doing, so we have our -- our 14 Assistant Director here at our Kerrville Workforce Center. 15 Randy Plummer is here, and Randy's to talk to us about a 16 program that AACOG has going on this summer. It's a program 17 that the county has participated in before. And, Randy, tell 18 us about your presentation, what's going on with this summer 19 program. 20 MR. PLUMMER: Thank you. Good morning, Judge and 21 Commissioners. My name is Randy Plummer, not Gaylyn 22 Dieringer. I'm the Assistant Manager at our Workforce 23 Solutions office here in Kerrville. It's located at 1700 24 Sidney Baker, and what we're in the process of doing is 25 enrolling local youth into a Workforce program. The goal of 5-29-12 57 1 our program is to have these youth participate in different 2 work sites in our community, and in those work sites, we are 3 hoping that they learn job skills that will be valuable to 4 them for their future goals and aspirations. Many of these 5 youth have not had many work experiences, or very limited 6 work experiences, and so it is our hope to enter into a 7 worksite agreement with the County to provide work sites for 8 some of these youth. 9 We have a variety of different groups and different 10 backgrounds and different interests. Through the Youth 11 Worksite, they could possibly work here at the courthouse, 12 potentially out at the Ag Barn, Road and Bridge. We have one 13 person who is a U.T. student who is from this area, though, 14 and he is back home, and he is interested in participating 15 with Rob Henneke potentially in a program. He has been in 16 mock trial through U.T. Austin, and so those are the types of 17 people who we would be interested in having participate in 18 the program, if y'all agree to it. The good part about this 19 is we pay for these youth to be at the work sites, as well as 20 the workmen's comp. And so what we're asking the County for 21 is to agree to have these sites, to give supervisory guidance 22 and direction, teach them about the different possibilities 23 that the County may have to offer for either future 24 employment with the County, or as they go beyond, they'll 25 have some background and experience to present to employers 5-29-12 58 1 hopefully back in our area, and become productive members of 2 our society, not move into the big towns, and all of our good 3 experience goes away. So, that's what we're here looking at 4 this morning. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Randy, tell me -- and to the 6 Commissioners Court here, I would also let you know, at our 7 last AACOG meeting last week, a presentation was made by 8 Susan Lodge with our Workforce area as well talking about 9 this program being really emphasized within the COG this 10 summer. Randy, tell us also a little bit about past history. 11 We know that at one time, funding had gone away the last 12 couple of years, but tell us about what the program had done 13 in the past with the County. 14 MR. PLUMMER: Well, we -- honestly, I was not here 15 at the time. That's been a number of years ago. I was 16 probably over in our transportation department at that time. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Mm-hmm. 18 MR. PLUMMER: But pretty much what happens is, the 19 youth would be assigned to work at the specific work site. 20 They would go through and become a member of your staff, 21 essentially, and they would learn what the job requirements 22 are for that specific job. Of course, there could be some 23 limitations depending on the age. And we can -- we have up 24 to 21-year-olds, so there are some things that -- that they 25 can do. But our program covers all the way from 14 to 21, 5-29-12 59 1 so -- and we can -- we have other sites as well in the 2 community that are available. But they go through and they 3 become your employee. We expect that they would be treated 4 as anyone else would be treated. If there are any issues, we 5 ask that you would just contact us. We have a representative 6 who will be overseeing the work sites. And in terms of 7 handling pay, they would fill out a time sheet. We would ask 8 that y'all complete a progress report to let us know every 9 two weeks how this person is doing so that we can make any 10 changes or improvements during their time. We're hoping that 11 the job site would last approximately six to eight weeks with 12 each -- with each of the students. And we're looking forward 13 to starting the students in our area as early as the 4th of 14 June, so we are currently enrolling -- now, that doesn't 15 necessarily mean here, but possibly here as well if it is 16 approved. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask you a question. 18 What about -- let's say that you get a couple that are 19 assigned to the Ag Barn, as an example. Does mama and dada 20 give them a ride out there? Or -- 21 MR. PLUMMER: It could possibly be that. We -- we 22 will find ways to -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 24 MR. PLUMMER: If necessary, we have Alamo Regional 25 Transit available. We can figure out some way to -- 5-29-12 60 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then what about 2 liabilities and insurances and things like that? 3 MR. PLUMMER: We will -- they will actually work 4 for Alamo Area Develpment Corporation, and we would carry 5 workman's comp. So, those types of -- any -- any issues will 6 be covered through our payroll and through our workman's 7 comp. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'd like to say just one 9 other thing. In visiting with Gaylyn last week, initially 10 the three positions that came up potentially were -- one was 11 our technology department. If we remember, John Trolinger 12 has already come and talked to us about the Schreiner 13 program. Here may be an opportunity to have somebody on a 14 part-time basis for the summer, help maybe answer the phone 15 or something like that. John's already expressed interest in 16 having somebody part-time this summer. The other position, 17 we visited with Road and Bridge already. Obviously, Leonard 18 can't put them in areas of high areas, but they can weed-eat; 19 they can do things like that, or something like that. I 20 think he would have some interest; there would be some 21 services. And I think you mentioned the one about with our 22 legal attorney's office, you know, somebody there that maybe 23 they could be some benefit with Rob this summer. So, those 24 were things that Gaylyn identified right off the bat as some 25 folks of interest. So, appreciate that. 5-29-12 61 1 MR. PLUMMER: We're just hoping that, you know, the 2 youth in our community will have an opportunity to learn this 3 summer, to make a little money, to understand what employment 4 is about, and be able to see what a professional business -- 5 how it is operated, and hopefully they will be able to 6 continue on with their careers over time. But the main thing 7 is just to show them something that they haven't necessarily 8 seen before, give them some ideas of what is out there, and 9 give them an idea of, is this something I'm interested in, or 10 is it not? But the County doesn't have the cost of 11 necessarily putting them on as an employee. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: One of the greatest tools of 13 growing up, I think, is good, hard work. 14 MR. PLUMMER: Yes, sir. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It was for me. Boy, and I 16 learned fast, I didn't like it at all. (Laughter.) 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tim, do you have anything in 18 Maintenance that could -- this could work? 19 MR. BOLLIER: Yeah. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm trying to think of 21 departments. I mean, Road and Bridge is -- may be okay, but 22 it's a danger -- danger issue out there. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I bet you could keep a bunch 24 of them busy at the Ag Barn. 25 MR. BOLLIER: Oh, that's not a problem. Parks, 5-29-12 62 1 mowing, weedeating. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I see Mr. Garcia waving -- 3 jumping up and down, waving his hands. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I thought he just recognized 5 us. He was saying good morning. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Just woke up. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm all in favor of doing it. 8 I think we need to be very careful that they don't go in any 9 department where there's sensitive information, and that 10 knocks out most offices in the courthouse. I think that 11 Environmental Health, Animal Control, Maintenance tend not to 12 deal in proprietary information, so they could probably work 13 in those -- 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I will guarantee you, Janie 15 would welcome some help out there. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think in those areas. I 18 think the other one -- other area possibly would be the 19 airport. I don't know if they have any weedeating -- I know 20 they have a part-time person out there, but that kind of goes 21 in the maintenance area. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But it's a -- anyway, check 24 with Bruce out there. And I have no problem with those 25 departments, but other than that, like technology, I have a 5-29-12 63 1 little bit of a problem there. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Are we limited in the number 3 of folks that can participate in that program? 4 MR. PLUMMER: We're currently enrolling, and so we 5 are in the process of developing work sites, and we're trying 6 to base those on the youths' interests. So, as we enroll, 7 we're finding out what they want to do or what they think 8 that they want to do. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 10 MR. PLUMMER: And so to say that we have them 11 currently enrolled -- the one from U.T. is currently 12 enrolled. But we're enrolling as we speak back at the office 13 right now, so we're learning as we meet with the students. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What do we need to do to move 16 forward? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Approve the agreement. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'd like to make a motion, 19 then, to approve the Workforce Solutions Alamo Youth Worksite 20 Agreement with Kerr County for the summer 2012 with Workforce 21 Solutions, that project. And that'll be my motion. 22 MR. HENNEKE: Commissioner, can you and I visit -- 23 can you and I visit on this? Before -- 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And I should have asked you 25 about that. Has he seen that other contract? 5-29-12 64 1 MR. PLUMMER: That's -- 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'm sorry about that. 3 MR. HENNEKE: I reviewed it; it's in the backup 4 materials. But, really, from reading it, I didn't understand 5 what the program was, and didn't have a chance to visit with 6 you, so I'd like to go over it with you. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 8 MR. HENNEKE: Sounds like a good plan. I just want 9 to make sure that everybody's on the same page. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Is your motion subject to the County 11 Attorney's approval and modifications as necessary? 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I would add that to my 13 motion, with counsel review of the agreement that you have 14 provided to him today. That will be my motion. Thank you, 15 Rob. 16 MR. PLUMMER: Any other questions that I can answer 17 for you? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll second his motion. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. Now, 20 question or comments? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The question I have is under 22 the service provider -- well, Number 4. It says insure that 23 all supervisors who are supervising youth participants do not 24 have wages deriving from federal funds. One, that's a really 25 odd requirement, but as I look at that, could we get -- I 5-29-12 65 1 mean, we have a lot of pass-through moneys that come in for 2 various grants and things that are sort of federal 3 pass-through. Well, most AACOG money is federal 4 pass-through. Anyway, can you explain that? 5 MR. PLUMMER: Because we get funding from different 6 sources, Department of Labor, as well as from Texas Workforce 7 Commission, they have stipulations on not double-dipping, 8 basically. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. I don't think -- I can't 10 think of any that would violate that, any it but just seems 11 like an odd -- 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Rosa Lavender's. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rosa would be one you 14 definitely could not. That's the main one that jumped out. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But most people won't want 16 that anyway. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions or comments? 18 All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 19 hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 22 (No response.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Thank you very 24 much. We appreciate it. 25 MR. PLUMMER: Appreciate it. Y'all have a good 5-29-12 66 1 day. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Now let's get back to picking 3 up the rest of the agenda. Item Number 5; to consider, 4 discuss, take appropriates action authorizing Environmental 5 Health Director Ray Garcia to fill the open 17.1 O.S.S.F. 6 Designated Representative Inspector position. Mr. Garcia? 7 MR. GARCIA: Morning, Judge, Commissioners. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You don't need this now that we 9 just gave you a part-time? 10 MR. GARCIA: Yeah, right. (Laughter.) Nice one. 11 Back in October, I came to the Court and delayed it three to 12 five months to fill this position. To-date, it is -- the 13 24th was seven months that that position has stayed empty. 14 Again, one of the biggest problems that we're having down 15 there is in the past, we had issues and a lawsuit that we 16 worked on with the County Attorney that we're trying to get 17 our files and our database back in order again. The other 18 thing is my T & R reporting, my testing and reporting has 19 fallen behind. Some of my complaints are doing the same, and 20 we're working Tish pretty good down there. Again, all the 21 training that's required for this position and the amount of 22 time to become professional and be an expert in that, it does 23 take some time. This position was lost in October, again, 24 and I said I would come back, and I'm coming back to fill 25 that position. 5-29-12 67 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This is a funded -- 2 MR. GARCIA: It is an open position. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- 17.1 position? 4 MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think it's justified at 6 this point to go ahead and do that. There are some other 7 things that could happen in the -- in the near future, or 8 maybe a little bit farther into the future with the inspector 9 that he has, and we sure don't want to get ourselves in a 10 position of not being able to move the permitting process 11 forward and getting this work done, and taking complaints and 12 getting them solved. So I believe, you know, he came to 13 us -- he saved basically six months, and was able to do it, 14 but I see the justification for it, and I move approval. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I second that motion, 16 with the thought of I agree with everything you said, as well 17 as I don't want to burn somebody out. I don't want to lose 18 it all. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's right. And I think 20 that we're getting close to actual burnout down there. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second. 22 Further questions or comments? All in favor, signify by 23 raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 5-29-12 68 1 (No response.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Thank you, Mr. 3 Garcia. Let's go to Item 6; to consider, discuss, take 4 appropriate action to authorize Road and Bridge Department to 5 proceed with site work for the new show barn and authorize 6 funds to pay for it. Commissioner Oehler? 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, sir. We're -- we're 8 approaching that point. The soil tests have come back, and 9 we're going to be able to move forward with the site work, I 10 feel like, in the next couple of weeks at the most. And I 11 just think we need to authorize this, and the funds to 12 reimburse the expenses -- or pay the expenses of that 13 process, being as we're doing it in-house, and Road and 14 Bridge is low bidder once again. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Could you -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's amazing. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- review for us, Bruce, what 18 the site work -- what it's going to entail, looks like, based 19 on the soil test? 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What it entails is, their -- 21 the preliminary report was that we would remove one foot of 22 what's existing and place back a foot, but that would be down 23 18 inches below the top of slab finish, which would be a foot 24 -- you know, you cut out -- basically cut out 18 inches and 25 put a foot back, is what that really means. Because you 5-29-12 69 1 still have to remain 6 inches below the slab for the 2 thickness of the slab. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And, clearly, the -- I mean, 4 where's -- what are we going to do with the dirt, the 18 5 inches we dig out? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There's not going to be that 7 much that we're going to dig out, because of -- we need to 8 have that tested, and Kelly and Len are in the process of 9 having that done. We may be able to utilize some of the fill 10 that exists in the back half of where the hog barn was, to 11 level up after some softer material -- there's old sawdust 12 and things in that old front part, and it's quite a bit dug 13 out from the hogs rooting in that for years. And, you know, 14 that -- a lot of that's gone away. But we are going to be 15 able to use -- I believe Kelly told me some -- some Grade C 16 soil for replacement, and that may or may not work all the 17 way up to the top; I'm not sure. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, now, do we buy -- we 19 purchase that? 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, we will purchase that 21 from -- I believe that they told me this morning that they 22 checked places in the vicinity, and I believe they said 23 Martin Marietta is the one who's going to be the least 24 expensive, plus they're the closest to the job site, so 25 that's going to save some money. Leonard estimated in the 5-29-12 70 1 beginning that this would probably cost around $50,000. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And Grade C is caliche. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Basically. We may have to go 4 in and do some type of road base, but the Grade C will save a 5 tremendous amount of money. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Over road base. We'll use 8 however much of it we can. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: According to some old -- I 10 won't name names, but old commissioners that built roads in 11 Precinct 3 years ago, that was good stuff. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They built roads with it. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. Well, we did out in 15 Precinct 4, too. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Is -- Commissioner, is he 17 talking -- Leonard's talking with Martin Marietta, then, 18 right? 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, they've already talked 20 to them, and they're just -- what they're really waiting on 21 is to -- we have some areas where we removed all those 22 footings that were pretty deep. And I left -- I had Deter 23 leave the one open last week, because there's still some 24 steel and things down in that, but it's deep. 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 5-29-12 71 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But I wanted the architect 2 and engineer to see that and tell us what we had to do to go 3 back and compact those areas to bring them up to grade. You 4 know, everything we do, we have to do it according to what 5 the engineers and soil evaluators tell us. We don't want -- 6 you know, we don't want Road and Bridge to not do what they 7 know how to do. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: We don't want to have a liability 9 claim against ourselves. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's right. We don't need 11 that and don't want it, 'cause we're using public funds. But 12 the news is very good about the amount that we -- that we're 13 able to cut out and replace back. And we do have to rip up 14 the roadway that's sealcoated along the west side of the 15 building. There will be some things, but it's just -- you 16 know, I just think we ought to authorize this to get done, 17 and also funds to -- to pay for that, being as we're doing it 18 in-house, to come out of our capital fund project. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question I have is to the 20 County Attorney. I mean, there's no problem, I believe, -- 21 correct me if I'm wrong; I'm sure you will -- of us using 22 Road and Bridge to do the work. Obviously, we don't have to 23 bid that. But when we start going and buying the material 24 that's part of that project, does that material have to be 25 bid, or can Road and Bridge use their normal contracts to get 5-29-12 72 1 it? 2 MR. HENNEKE: Well, the short answer is, it 3 depends. I guess the concern that I had, and what I was 4 going to suggest when we did the demolition, which, you know, 5 we didn't have to bid or anything. In fact, it sounds like 6 we made money off of it. We did have a budget from Road and 7 Bridge that showed, you know, their in-house -- basically, 8 their labor. But then any additional, you know, like renting 9 the excavator. You know, if we're purchasing, you know, 10 materials enough to put us over the, you know, competitive 11 bidding threshold, then we need to look at whether we need to 12 bid that or not. It sounds like when we're talking about 13 the, quote, costs, we're talking about a lot of that being 14 reimbursable back to Road and Bridge for their in-house 15 expenditures out of their budget, monthly spending out of 16 their budget to do this, such as for gasoline that they have 17 budgeted to do road work for the county, and we are paying 18 them back by moving that money and resupplementing their 19 budget. 20 Those type of expenditures -- you know, those 21 in-house costs to us, you know, I don't know if we're taking 22 into account any kind of overtime or any kind of labor costs 23 or any kind of, you know, equipment maintenance. You know, 24 those won't necessarily count, but I would suggest that we -- 25 you know, we see a budget on this to know if we're, you know, 5-29-12 73 1 incurring costs, you know, for the dirt, for example, that -- 2 that puts us over that threshold. I don't think it would. 3 But I think with what we have here, I'm not sure how the 4 Court would authorize expenditures. And, certainly, if 5 you're authorizing an expenditure up to or above, you know, 6 and just a lump sum, the competitive bidding threshold, then 7 we probably need to flush that out more. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can probably authorize them 10 to go ahead and remove -- I mean, remove the dirt. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: That's all in-house there. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's all week, and that's 13 going to be the first -- that will keep them busy for a week 14 till we meet again. I think that's a good idea, and I don't 15 know why, when we did this last time on this -- I guess it 16 was the fact that they -- they already have their -- 17 basically, their bids that they do on an annual basis for 18 road base and all the various things, and so what they do is 19 they shop around. I understand that we need to be very 20 careful in what we're doing, not to exceed the threshold. I 21 don't -- you know, from what Leonard's telling me, it would 22 not exceed that, but we need to be absolutely sure. And I 23 can make sure I get that prior to, probably, a meeting 24 sometime next week. And -- 25 MR. HENNEKE: I would recommend that. I think we 5-29-12 74 1 ought to bring that back, and I think we also need to, you 2 know, be able to independently quantify, just on the -- 3 taking out the dirt, how much Road and Bridge is spending of 4 their own budget that they're counting on, you know, being 5 reimbursed just to be able to perform the rest of what 6 they're -- 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's going to be the same 8 way as when they did the demolition. They will have an 9 estimated number of trucks it takes to haul material out, or 10 they'll have, say, a rental for a bulldozer to do some -- do 11 some site work with it. You know, there will be various 12 categories that they can put together somewhat of a budget 13 and estimate. 14 MR. HENNEKE: And we had that when we did the 15 demolition, and I thought that worked very well. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I guess what we could 17 do is just -- I don't know. Maybe you had a good suggestion, 18 or we can wait -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let's just wait. I think we 20 wait and have a budget -- 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just wait. Next week is plenty 23 early, because I don't think they're going to be able to get 24 started before next week anyway. They're going to have to 25 have, you know, a site visit from the engineer and the soil 5-29-12 75 1 test people to make some recommendations on what and where 2 and how much to cut here, and we need to get, you know, some 3 other things done. But I agree with that. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Why don't we just do it next 5 week? And -- but I think it was a good exercise to talk 6 about it. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. So, you're going to -- 8 you'll handle that? 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'll handle it. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That's it on that item? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's it, far as I know. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Why don't we take about a 15-minute 14 recess. 15 (Recess taken from 10:35 a.m. to 10:55 a.m.) 16 - - - - - - - - - - 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's come back to order, if 18 we might. Let's go to Item 9; to consider, discuss, take 19 appropriate action regarding adoption of the AACOG Regional 20 Multi-Hazard Mitigation Plan update. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The chief is going to do that. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Barton? 23 MR. BARTON: How are y'all today? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Hopefully he'll be shorter, right? 25 Shorter in what he has to say. (Laughter.) 5-29-12 76 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I showed him where it said two 2 minutes. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He's never been shorter than 4 this one over here. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the reason I clarified it, 6 Commissioner. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 8 MR. BARTON: Gentlemen, we had to put together a 9 new mitigation plan. AACOG actually got grant funding, which 10 every region in the COG needs to do this plan which we've got 11 put together, going through the final stages of it, the 12 adoption. The resolution is pretty straightforward on that. 13 This is going to be the last time we can put together one of 14 these plans large as this one. In five years, we have to 15 redo it. We can only do no more than two counties at a time, 16 but these plans have to be done if the County is going to 17 ever apply for any kind of FEMA mitigation reimbursement. 18 Government just requires it to be done. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: So if we don't adopt this -- 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: -- today, why, we will not 22 thereafter be eligible for FEMA reimbursement? Is that the 23 bottom line of what you have to say? 24 MR. BARTON: My understanding is that if we don't 25 get in on the plan, we opt out of the ability to apply. I 5-29-12 77 1 mean, Kerr County assisted with this; Road and Bridge 2 assisted. We put together a plan along with the City of 3 Kerrville and City of Ingram, and to take care of our whole 4 area. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval of the agenda 6 item, and authorize the County Judge to sign same. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 9 approval as indicated. Question or discussion? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Question. Is this 11 resolution -- is this -- is this a copy of one that's done 12 all over? 13 MR. BARTON: It is -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Everybody does the same one? 15 MR. BARTON: It's one they sent out as a sample. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, that's what I'm 17 looking for. 18 MR. BARTON: I guess you could tailor it however 19 you want to tailor it. I tailored the end of it by adding 20 Judge Tinley's name on it so he can sign it. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Any further questions? All in favor 22 of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 25 (No response.) 5-29-12 78 1 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's go to 2 Item Number 12; consider, discuss, take appropriate action to 3 apply for grant or other funding from L.C.R.A., Headwaters, 4 or others for rainwater collection system for the new show 5 barn at Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center. I put this on the 6 agenda so that we can be in a position to start the process 7 rolling to apply for grant or other funding that may be 8 available in connection with our rainwater collection system 9 and distribution for the new show barn. We've received 10 already some interest from Headwaters indicating that they 11 want to participate. They want certain information, and 12 we're in the process of responding to them. L.C.R.A. has a 13 grant program that I've gotten information on. There's going 14 to have to be something put together there to -- and I'm 15 looking at Ms. Lavender, and she's just smiling like, "I know 16 where this one's going to land." And -- and U.G.R.A. 17 Looking for all the available sources of funding to 18 participate in this project and to move forward with those, 19 and that's the reason for my agenda item, is to set that up 20 and authorize it where we can start moving in that direction. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move approval. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 24 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 25 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 5-29-12 79 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion carries. Item 13 is to 5 consider, discuss, take appropriate action to set the 6 groundbreaking ceremony for the Hill Country Youth Exhibit 7 Center Show Barn on May 31, 2012. Commissioner Oehler, I 8 appreciate you working with the folks to get that set up. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I tell you what. Steve 10 Bauer called me last week and made this suggestion, and I 11 couldn't have thought of a better suggestion that he could 12 have made, and -- or anybody else, for that matter. But he 13 wants to involve, and so do I, and I'm pretty sure the Court 14 does, as many young people as we can from 4-H, F.F.A., and I 15 believe that they're going to try to get some of those kids 16 there. 17 MR. BAUER: Yes, sir. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And I would like for us to 19 put those kids out front and set up a deal. I've got Tim on 20 notice to get all the shovels he can find. I'm sure that a 21 lot of them haven't been used, but... (Laughter.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: I can find one that fits his hands. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Been too busy walking. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, he was walking instead 25 of shoveling. But, anyway, maybe we put it on his wrist and 5-29-12 80 1 see how much he shovels. I'm just kidding. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What time? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's going to be 1:30 on 4 Thursday, the 31st. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And it will be out at the 7 proposed new building site. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's exciting. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That was a motion? And I heard 10 a second. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 13 approval of the agenda item for that groundbreaking at 1:30 14 at the site of the new show barn on May 31, 2012. Question 15 or discussion? 16 MS. HARGIS: I have another question -- go ahead. 17 I have one on something else. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Another question. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: She's just raising -- 21 practicing raising her hand. 22 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you confused which agenda item 24 we're on? 25 MS. HARGIS: Well, I think you forgot 8. 5-29-12 81 1 JUDGE TINLEY: I know I forgot 8. 2 MS. HARGIS: Okay. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: I didn't forget it. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the deal. "I knew I 5 forgot." 6 MR. HENNEKE: Judge, do you want to reschedule 7 juvenile court on Thursday? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, we're going to have to. I've 9 already put them on notice down at -- last week, when this 10 thing came up, I put Julie on notice that we're going to have 11 to probably delay that by about 45 minutes, as I recall, so 12 we're in good shape there. 13 MR. HENNEKE: Okay. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other question or comment on the 15 motion? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Only comment I have is I 17 think that, you know, the involvement of the kids -- and a 18 lot of them are kind of on their way, maybe, out of the 19 programs, but they're hoping that we'll get some of the 20 younger ones that will be directly affected by what we're 21 doing out there. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm taking Sam up there. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think you ought to bring 24 Sam. 25 MR. BAUER: We have the possibility of having the 5-29-12 82 1 fourth generation of one of the families that's been involved 2 in this at that -- that day. Possibility. We haven't got a 3 confirmation yet. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You know, I just want to make 5 sure that that those kids are the ones manning the shovels, 6 and that we -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- we support them by being 9 behind them. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: We want as many of those kiddoes as 11 we can get there. 12 MR. BAUER: We've got F.F.A. and 4-H kids lined up 13 from various clubs and chapters in the county, so we're 14 working on it, to get a bunch of them there. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Thanks for the suggestion, 16 and I'm glad it's going to happen. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You have a fourth generation 18 that's been involved in the stock show? 19 MR. BAUER: Yes, sir. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is incredible. You've 21 got to tell us who that is. 22 MR. BAUER: Along with y'all's -- with y'all's 23 support, it keeps growing in strength all the time. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Somebody else ask him who it 25 is. 5-29-12 83 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: We won't know until Thursday. 2 MR. BAUER: We won't know until Thursday if they 3 show up. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's a great story. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is. That's great. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: That's a teaser for these guys? 7 MR. BAUER: That's right. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: There you go. Are you curious about 9 who that might be? 10 MR. REEVES: Precinct 4 family. 11 MR. ARMSTRONG: He's given us lots of bulletins. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Any further question or 13 comment? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Precinct 4. That lost a 15 little bit of my interest. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Well -- 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But it sure did help mine. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I didn't need any help, 20 though. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All in favor of the motion, signify 22 by raising your right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 25 (No response.) 5-29-12 84 1 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go to 2 Item 14; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to 3 enter into agreement with Kerrville Area Chamber of Commerce 4 to lease the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center premises for 5 KerrFest event. Commissioner Oehler? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think I'm going to 7 let Mr. Henneke take over at this point. He and I met with 8 them, and we believe -- I don't know if he's heard back. 9 MR. HENNEKE: No. We had a meeting -- as the Court 10 remembers, KerrFest keeps changing, and so the direction was 11 to get everything encompassed in one agreement. Commissioner 12 Oehler and I met with Kristan Craddock at the Chamber, talked 13 through all the needs and all the various uses, and drafted a 14 lease last week, which I sent to Kristan for them to review 15 and comment on. And I had hoped to have that back by now to 16 present to the Court. I haven't heard anything back, so 17 we'll have to bring this back. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 19 MR. HENNEKE: But we're moving forward on that. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I ask a question about 21 it? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Your question is? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I thought I had read 24 here that they would be possibly paying for -- for the lease. 25 Is that true or not? 5-29-12 85 1 MR. HENNEKE: Paying for the lease? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 3 MR. HENNEKE: The Court so far has waived all the 4 fees associated with use of the -- 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's right. 6 MR. HENNEKE: -- Youth Exhibit Center. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So we're going to continue 8 doing that? 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Not necessarily. It's a 10 year-to-year thing. We wouldn't -- 11 MR. HENNEKE: For this year. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, we're dealing with 13 this one right here. 14 MR. HENNEKE: For this year, so far, that's been 15 the position taken by the Court. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think to quote -- I believe 17 your quote was this is the last time you're going to do that. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: God, I don't see why we do 19 that. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, they're going to 21 provide some things that they weren't planning on providing 22 either to get their event up to par with what we require 23 others. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And I -- you know, I'm with 5-29-12 86 1 you. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know -- 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: For the future. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I did want to say, having 5 these kind of events in our area, I tell you what; if you 6 wanted a model, go look at what they did in Hunt week before 7 last. That is the dadgumest party I've ever been to in my 8 life. And I saw one guy drinking beer. When I used the word 9 "party," I meant just "function." And, I mean, it was 10 first-class if I ever saw anything. Air-conditioned 11 bathroom. But all those tents and, like, one band after 12 another. Quality bands, numerous. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Were you playing? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We listened a lot. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We listened a lot. Bruce 18 and I sat together and listened. And -- well, some. But -- 19 and almost every one of those bands were local bands, on top 20 of that. That's one of my points here, is that you don't 21 have to go -- you don't have to go to Austin to hire people. 22 You got -- you got the best there is right here in the hill 23 country. Okay. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner, if I'm understanding 25 the drift of what you said momentarily ago, apparently 5-29-12 87 1 there's some quid pro quo on some upgrades or additions to 2 the facilities or what's going to be offered in lieu of -- of 3 other costs? 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I would say not direct 5 improvements at this point. I think that is something that 6 we can look at -- 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Down the road. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- down the road. Mainly 9 just having them be responsible for the things they need to 10 be responsible for, and not getting more services than -- 11 than they really should. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's just -- Kristan didn't 14 really have a whole lot of objection to it. I don't really 15 know why they haven't gotten back. But, anyway, they will do 16 some extra security, and it was pointed out that, you know, 17 the ambulance service we pay for through our annual contract 18 for outside the city of Kerrville; that that's not something 19 that was furnished by the City. You know, we do pay our 20 proportionate share for that, for EMS. But that was just a 21 point -- small thing we pointed out. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'd also note that the 23 Chamber's new president will be here. You know, Mr. Dean is 24 here now, so I think he'll get up to date and speed with that 25 project -- I mean, that project as well, so that's good. 5-29-12 88 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It will happen, I think, 2 next -- by next meeting, I would hope, because it needs to if 3 we want to -- 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- go forward. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to Item 16; to 7 consider, discuss, take appropriate action regarding a 8 donation of two 10-inch diameter, 30-foot bald cypress trees 9 by John Teltschik, indicating they have an approximate value 10 of $13,000 each, and agree to pay delivery expense not to 11 exceed $1,500, those trees being to replace the two dead 12 trees on the courthouse square that are being removed 13 presently. Commissioner Oehler? 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, Ms. -- Ms. Uecker, you 15 know, from upstairs, -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: She's here in the audience. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- and in the audience, 18 contacted me the other day. And her neighbor, of course, is 19 Ms. Teltschik, and John grew up over there, and he got wind 20 of this happening, and so he contacted you, I believe -- is 21 that not correct? 22 MS. UECKER: Yes. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And offered to donate these 24 trees. But there will be some expense associated with 25 getting them here, but they are 30-foot bald cypress. And I 5-29-12 89 1 don't know that we would even consider spending that kind of 2 money for replacements for the two trees that we're getting. 3 And my first question was, well, cypress take a lot of water. 4 That was my feeling, 'cause most of them grow down by the 5 river. But the bald cypress are more resistant. They're 6 really -- I understand the roots go straight down; they don't 7 spread out. And you need to water them pretty good for the 8 first year, but after that, they should be fine. So, I put 9 it on the agenda to see if the Court had an interest in doing 10 that and receiving this, and would be willing to pay that 11 expense to get them here. I think they're somewhere from 12 Athens; is that right? 13 MS. UECKER: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Athens area. 15 MS. UECKER: Tioga is where his tree farm is. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was excited until you just 17 said that. The problem with bald cypress -- bald cypress are 18 what we have growing here. There are two varieties of bald 19 cypress, and I would not recommend planting any bald cypress 20 in Kerr County that doesn't come from the Frio watershed, 21 Guadalupe watershed, or Blanco watershed. They're very 22 different. East Texas bald cypress are not the same; there's 23 an acid requirement a lot of times. I mean, it's a hit and 24 miss. My concern -- I thought hopefully they were going to 25 come from local-grown trees, which would be a fantastic deal. 5-29-12 90 1 MS. UECKER: Well, these are the same trees that 2 he's been delivering to -- delivering to the Bass family up 3 here. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: For years. 5 MS. UECKER: And theirs are fine. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 7 MS. UECKER: So -- 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'd like to say something on 9 that. When Commissioner Oehler had -- had heard back last 10 week, they had talked with Linda. Of course, Linda had been 11 neighbors across from the Teltschiks for years out there in 12 that part of Kerr County. John, of course, had come here 13 about two weeks ago, three weekends ago, and for a lot of 14 folks here, as we know, if you look for a Kerrville son, 15 somebody like that, he was also a 2008 Hall of Fame -- Tivy 16 High School Hall of Fame member that was brought in, and had 17 a wonderful career at U.T., and professional sports as well. 18 He drove by -- drove by the courthouse and saw the dead 19 trees, and through his relationship, I know, through Linda 20 and through Commissioner Oehler, he had made the request that 21 he would donate these trees. 22 The trees are actually transported -- and he has 23 done some previous -- a lot of business with the Bass 24 Brothers down in this area. The trees are transported on 25 these 18-foot trucks, and they're -- he would -- to do that, 5-29-12 91 1 the only expense that he would look at is the transportation 2 cost. But they've been delivering a lot of these trees, 3 Commissioner, in this area for some time, is what he said. 4 But he -- in terms of contribution, he didn't really look for 5 anything himself. That just -- you know how John is. What 6 he was wanting to do was to bring something back into the 7 county, and he would donate those trees here to be used, and 8 just to make that an opportunity. So, I think it was -- it's 9 a nice offer from somebody who has a lot of long-term support 10 in this community, and I think it's -- it speaks highly of 11 the guy, the character, who he is, and the Teltschik family 12 in general. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: He's obviously had some considerable 14 experience in replanting these trees, having done so out in 15 the west part of the county a number of times. Would he -- 16 as part of what he's offering, would that include his 17 supervision and seeing that they're properly planted here? 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: His comment was -- and, 19 again, I'm not -- I'm just telling you what -- what our 20 conversation on the phone was. I asked him about when would 21 you have the -- the trees? When would they be planted and 22 those type of things? And he says it's something we just 23 have to gauge depending on when they go dormant. I'm not a 24 tree person; you're more of that. And he was saying it may 25 be late November or December. 5-29-12 92 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Sure. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Before they're brought down 3 and they're replanted here. And he said he would be more 4 than willing to help in that way, of helping in that process 5 and overseeing that being done here. He's not looking for 6 any hoopla, nothing like that at all. But, you know, he's 7 made that an offer for this Court to consider, and that was 8 his -- his offer to us. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's why it's on the 10 agenda. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's a -- it's just -- 12 Athens is better than Louisiana, but I just have a concern 13 about -- from the nature of trees, if he's been doing it a 14 lot, maybe they're from a local source. It's the genetics of 15 the trees that's important, not really where they're grown. 16 Maybe his source in Athens -- maybe he has some from this 17 area. 18 MS. UECKER: He does a lot of business, Jonathan, 19 with Maldonado's as well, delivering those trees. You know, 20 that -- that's what he does for a living. And I think 21 they're -- he even has a piece of equipment, you know, that 22 goes out and scoops up these huge trees. And he -- when I 23 talked to him, he said, of course, he'd be here to, you know, 24 help oversee the -- 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would guess, based on what 5-29-12 93 1 I've done not too long ago this year, planting large trees, 2 that you're looking at probably a cost to the County, you 3 know, assuming 1,500 covers transportation costs, the other 4 cost is probably going to be about 2,500 to 3,000. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: To plant? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, to plant two trees. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Why do you think that? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because you have to have a 9 crane to lift them. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We can't lift them with a 11 loader? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, you got to have 13 something, yeah. But, I mean, you -- it's 30 foot tall. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you can't -- you got to get 16 it into the hole. 17 MS. UECKER: Well, I asked him -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, the trees that I plant 19 that are this size, which I did a bunch this year, they weigh 20 about 20,000 pounds. 21 MS. UECKER: When I asked him about that, you know, 22 about planting them, he said, "Well, I think probably your 23 road crew has the right equipment. They can do it." 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They must be a lot smaller than 25 I think they are, then. Because, I mean, I just -- we just 5-29-12 94 1 weighed them; just had them planted with Perry's crane, and I 2 had a live oak that was about 25, 30 foot tall, and it 3 weighed 22,000 pounds. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The ball. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, with the ball, and that's 6 according to Tad Perry's weight. I'm just saying. So, if 7 it's not that big of a ball, if they're able to bring them in 8 in a real small ball, then maybe you can do it with a 9 backhoe. But you got to be able to, you know -- with the 10 hole, you got to have the straps; you have to have equipment. 11 You can't just go pick up the tree by the trunk. You have to 12 pick it up by the ball, and you've got to get it straight. I 13 mean, you've got to -- 14 MS. UECKER: Well, he'll be here, and he knows how 15 to do it. He just said, you know, "Y'all have the equipment 16 to do it." 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Why don't we talk about this 18 a little more? Being as they're going to be dormant -- I 19 mean, I understand planting them when they're dormant. They 20 don't go dormant until -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Be the winter. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Could be on into February they go 23 dormant, too. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You want to get them planted, 25 I would think, by February. Wouldn't you? 5-29-12 95 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, why don't we let y'all 3 visit about it a little bit? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That would be good. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And make -- and make sure 7 that -- you know, what the expenses are really going to be, 8 and whether the trees really have a good chance to survive 9 here. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, if he's planting them 11 here, I'm sure they're fine. I just -- I always am very 12 concerned when I get trees not from limestone-based soil. 13 That's the issue, is the limestone. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: His only comment, 15 Commissioner, that came back to me about watering -- I asked 16 the same question about watering, and he said, you know, 17 first year you're going to have to water them. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He says that's like with 20 anything, but he says long term -- I'm just dealing with what 21 he talked about, what he's done with local businesses that's 22 been associated. They've taken root well, and they grow 23 fine. So -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Watering's not an issue. I 25 think it's a good selection for a tree because of the bald 5-29-12 96 1 cypress history of Kerr County, and the whole reason for 2 Kerrville being here was cypress shingles -- or one of the 3 reasons. So, I think it's a -- it's historically a good 4 choice for a tree. And if he's confident that they're going 5 to do well based on where he's planted them in the area -- 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think you need to 7 continue the conversation. We have time. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, let's sit on it for now, and 10 let Jon have some dialogue with Mr. Teltschik and kind of 11 flesh this thing out a little. Okay. Let's move to Item 17; 12 to consider, discuss, take appropriate action on committee 13 report concerning insurance consultant. Commissioner Letz? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sometime earlier this year, 15 myself and the County Attorney and H.R. Director, Dawn Lantz, 16 were appointed to a committee to look at the -- what we're 17 going to do on insurance consultants. And I made a comment, 18 I think, at the -- either last meeting or early -- or in 19 April that I'd have it on the agenda this month. When I did 20 that, I wasn't anticipating Ms. Lantz not being here, but 21 needless to say, we can go forward. Kind of what we've 22 visited about, the committee has met. Dawn has made quite a 23 few contacts to other counties around. Kelly -- Kolodzey? 24 Is that how you say her last name? -- with TAC came up and 25 met with us. And I think the bottom line, there's two -- 5-29-12 97 1 really two questions. One, there's insurance consultants, 2 and two, kind of ancillary to that is, what do you do with 3 these other products, the -- 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Supplementals. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- supplementals that are 6 offered? And I think where we are on the consultant is, the 7 recommendation is to not hire a consultant right now. We 8 made a bit of a -- I think a commitment to go with TAC for 9 probably three years. We realized out of the last couple 10 years, we need to quit changing all the time. And I think 11 that being said, you know, I really feel pretty confident 12 that we need to stay with TAC for a little bit. That's not 13 to say we don't need a consultant down the road. I just 14 don't think we need one right now, 'cause I think our plan is 15 such -- but I think every so often, it probably would be 16 useful to have someone that's a consultant to come in, give 17 some advice on plan design, and possibly -- whether in three 18 years or two years, whatever, if TAC's the way to go. But at 19 this time, I really don't think that that's an expenditure 20 that we need to make. That's not real cheap. 21 Next issue on supplementals, we weren't quite 22 unanimous on that. I think there's -- one view is that we 23 shouldn't have to worry about any supplementals, and the 24 employees can go get them where they want, and not do a 25 payroll deduction. The other discussion was to see what TAC 5-29-12 98 1 offers, and TAC offers everything through their plan except 2 cancer -- I don't know where it is. They do not offer a 3 cancer plan. They don't offer -- and there was another plan 4 they don't offer -- oh, vision. They don't offer vision 5 right now. Everything else, TAC does offer. They are 6 working on the vision side, that TAC can offer that. 7 And the other thing that I think kind of 8 directionally is where Dawn is looking at this, and I haven't 9 really been involved with it that much, is trying to add 10 dental under our regular plan. A lot of the other counties 11 do it. TAC offers a dental plan, but it's kind of -- it's -- 12 you're kind of locked into it from the employer paying for it 13 for a three- to five-year period. They don't offer it every 14 year; you have to kind of -- I guess they bundle it, so to 15 speak. And part of the reason is 'cause dental coverage, I 16 guess people kind of know when they have dental problems, and 17 they were kind of jumping on board when they needed dental 18 work, and they'd get off when they didn't. So, it's kind 19 of -- you know, it's pretty, I think cost-wise, affordable, 20 and something that I think that may be presented to us from 21 TAC during our insurance plans. 22 But the things that TAC does offer, they do offer 23 short- and long-term disability, term life, term life for 24 dependents, voluntary term life, accidental death/ 25 dismemberment, and then they do have the group dental. They 5-29-12 99 1 don't offer the cancer policy, vision, or regular accident 2 policy. On those policies, Dawn contacted some other 3 counties like Bandera County and several others around that 4 use TAC, and they all have contracted directly with a 5 supplemental provider, like an AFLAC or Colonial or some of 6 those, and they just -- the Court decided which company they 7 were going to use, and kind of use them. Some of them have 8 two different ones, and those are done through payroll 9 deduction, so that's kind of a different issue. It is a 10 savings to us either one of those routes, because currently, 11 the way we were doing it before -- or this year, I guess 12 we're doing it, we pay an administrative fee for the 13 supplementals, and that fee would be not carried forward if 14 we went directly with somebody like AFLAC or Colonial, or 15 with what TAC offers. So, that's kind of where we are. 16 That's our recommendation. Now y'all can do what you want. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I don't -- I tend to 18 agree with you on not needing a consultant if we're going to 19 stay with what we have. I mean, what are we going to get 20 consulted on? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a plan design type thing, 22 is what -- where they -- 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And we already basically have 24 adopted a plan design, I think. Unless we decide to modify 25 it; maybe we need a consultant at that point. 5-29-12 100 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But I -- I don't foresee 3 going with another company other than TAC. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For a couple years, in my mind. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: At least not for a couple 6 years. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Continue to use them, see how 8 it plays out. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Norwood indicated when he was 10 here previously that while TAC may make a proposal, that may 11 be only that, a proposal to you, and there's certain 12 adjustments that can be made. But if you don't know what 13 those are, how they can be made and so forth, you're really 14 not in an arm's length bargaining position. You know, it's 15 not a "one size fits all" coming from TAC. And when you look 16 at the gross dollar numbers that are involved in -- in the 17 health benefits game, there are tremendous dollars there, and 18 sometimes just a minor tweaking, knowing -- having enough 19 knowledge to be able to make that tweaking will certainly 20 adjust those gross dollars enough to more than pay for the 21 expense of a -- of a consultant. You never know until you 22 get there. So, I -- I would have that concern. With regard 23 to the supplementals, you may well want to do a bid package 24 where you put those out so that you can get a rate quote as a 25 package. I certainly don't advocate, on a supplemental term 5-29-12 101 1 life, going to Company or Broker A, and the short-term 2 disability with Company or Broker B. You want a package 3 deal, I think, whether it be through TAC or through someone 4 else. But there are a lot of different facets. One 5 advantage that we've had in the past with our supplementals 6 is that when you have open enrollment, you don't have any 7 preexisting condition issues. You don't have any elimination 8 periods. If you're enrolled, you're enrolled from day one, 9 and those rates can fluctuate differently based upon not only 10 the size of the group that you are offering, or potentially 11 offering to a provider, but it can also have a bearing on 12 what they're able to offer based upon the entirety of the 13 business that provider has insofar as being able to offer a 14 more attractive package. So, on the supplementals, I would 15 certainly -- certainly suggest that we go on some sort of 16 proposal basis on those, you know, with or without a 17 consultant. So -- 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, that just makes sense. 19 I mean, you lump together what's not -- what's not covered, 20 put it out for everybody to bid on. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that was one of the 22 concerns that we had on this. The supplementals, as I 23 understand them, the County has really nothing to do with it. 24 We just provide it as a service for the employees. Once we 25 put it out for bid, then we're saying, "This is the company 5-29-12 102 1 you need to go with." Whereas if we -- if we don't -- if we 2 just say, "Our insurance is with TAC; here's what they 3 offer," you can pick and choose to a degree. If you want 4 something else, you need to go find it, and it removes the 5 County's role in -- in some of the supplementals. And it 6 will be an issue to some of the employees. The cancer policy 7 is, from what Dawn has said, a pretty popular policy. And 8 maybe -- I'm not sure; the accidental and the -- I don't know 9 what the other one was -- are not as much, but the cancer is 10 used by a number of the employees. But they can still go out 11 and do a direct deposit out of their checking account, and go 12 to any number of vendors around town and get that policy. 13 And I think that was our view. 14 Where we kind of settled was, you know, we're not 15 in the business of -- we're not in the insurance business. 16 And if people wanted to get -- we're going to offer employees 17 a set package. If they want something in addition to that, 18 it's their responsibility to go out and find that in the 19 marketplace. Otherwise, we're incurring county cost on a 20 supplemental package one way or the other. If we go out for 21 proposals, and we're doing it right now, we're paying an 22 administration fee. And I just -- you know, it's something 23 that I don't think we should be involved with. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask you -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: The difference, even though it's all 5-29-12 103 1 employee-paid, is you're able to provide the employees with 2 the benefit, rather than the employee going directly into the 3 marketplace on a one-on-one basis and, for example, trying to 4 get -- you know, preexisting condition. If that -- if I go 5 directly into the marketplace outside of the group-type 6 proposal, the likelihood I'm going to get that is pretty 7 slim, number one, and number two, the rate I'm going to pay 8 is probably higher. So, even though you're not -- you're not 9 participating in cost, except maybe from the aspect of -- of 10 administrative -- I don't know what that administrative cost 11 is. I think, in the whole scheme of things, it's probably 12 somewhat nominal, or the cost and expense of going out for 13 bids. You're providing an additional benefit to your 14 employees, as opposed to merely saying, you know, "If you 15 want some insurance, go buy it," you know. 16 And, plus you have the benefit of the payroll 17 deduction plan, and I think that's the reason you need to 18 keep it with approving one group of supplemental coverages, 19 as opposed to a whole bunch of different providers. And -- 20 you know, but I'll defer to the employees as to what they 21 perceive in the way of benefits from the supplementals. I 22 can -- I can certainly understand, and I had thought -- I 23 don't know the numbers on the major illness, what you call 24 the cancer policy. It's more than just cancer, but it's a 25 major illness policy. As far as I knew, it was fairly widely 5-29-12 104 1 subscribed to by our employees. But if -- if we're going to 2 provide a group of supplementals to our employees, I think -- 3 I think we need to obtain proposals so that we can, in our 4 employees' best interests, try and find the deal that's best 5 for them and package it. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm agreeing with both of 7 you. I see both sides. And I have always thought that 8 possibility of TAC being that adviser, or the -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Consultant? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Consultant. TAC being the 11 consultant and advising our employees of what's available and 12 what's not available. Therefore, you got the group thing, 13 and we're not -- we're not committed like -- it seems like -- 14 just seems like TAC could play a role in there somewhere. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think to -- I mean, I was 16 looking, as an example, and none of these -- all of these 17 counties do not have a consultant or a broker. And TAC has 18 told us that about half, I think, of the counties that use 19 them have a broker or consultant, and half don't. And 20 these -- Bandera County does ancillary products through 21 Colonial Life. Colorado County does them with Colonial and 22 AFLAC. And Howard County uses Washington Mutual and AFLAC. 23 So, I mean, their deal -- I don't know how they came up with 24 those companies, but there's, you know, the companies that do 25 do supplemental. And what TAC said is that if we wanted 5-29-12 105 1 that, you know, they recommend you just contact the company, 2 and they'll tell you how to do it. And -- you know, I think 3 that the, I guess, concern I have is that, you know, I'm not 4 sure it's our responsibility, as the employer, to offer those 5 policies. I think we offer a health insurance package, and 6 we try to make it as all-encompassing as we can, and leave it 7 at that. But I do know -- you are right, Judge, there are a 8 lot of employees that use some of those ancillary products. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I thought -- 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Go ahead. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I thought years ago, when the 14 County first started looking at the payroll deduction, what 15 it was is the County kind of picked one, kind of like what 16 you're talking about, Jonathan, whether it be AFLAC, where 17 you do it by bid for those supplementals. You know, this is 18 the one company, or two, if that's the way -- that the County 19 will allow to do payroll deductions. Then after that, if the 20 employee did not want the -- you know, the policies from 21 them, they could go on their own and do it as a bank account 22 deduction or whatever, the way it's always run. And it -- to 23 me, that way the County's not recommending -- not saying you 24 have to go with this company. But this is the one the County 25 will allow to do payroll deductions from the County, and 5-29-12 106 1 that's the way you kind of -- 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I think part of that administrative 3 cost is -- what we've done the last several years is, dealing 4 through Alamo, they -- Alamo has gone out and vetted various 5 companies, and the coverage for a particular type was 6 obtained through one company, and for another type through 7 another company, and then we forward a gross payroll 8 deduction, and they divvy it up down there. But what they've 9 done is provided -- they have found what they thought was the 10 best coverage at the best price for each of these various 11 insurance products to give us the benefit of that. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only thing I think you had 13 in doing that, that I heard from employees -- and not saying 14 right or wrong, or that there was anything wrong with the 15 picture, but our consultant was also a major stakeholder in 16 Alamo. And it -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Sure. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And it really -- to employees, 19 it made it look bad, okay? That was the issue with the 20 consultant, is that the supplements were really coming 21 through his own company. 22 MR. HENNEKE: And speaking as part of the 23 committee, too, I mean, I think from the information we 24 found, we were not able to really identify any particular, 25 you know, cost savings or plan enhancements that were 5-29-12 107 1 negotiated as part of the supplements. I mean, the 2 supplemental vendors were chosen, and that's what was offered 3 to the employees during open enrollment. And, you know, we 4 paid the -- we provided the service of the payroll deduction. 5 But as far as being able to say, you know, John Smith, you 6 know, you'd get a better price if you go with us, or you get 7 better terms if you do it through the County than if you just 8 walked up and knocked on State Farm's door, we were not able 9 to say that that's necessarily the case. I wouldn't say that 10 we're getting a worse deal, but, you know, it's really hard 11 to say that there's -- as far as advantages to the employee 12 versus them just going out and making their own selection, 13 that there were any tangible benefits that we could identify 14 with those supplementals being negotiated and offered through 15 the County. 16 MR. BARTON: I still have my AFLAC from before we 17 went to Alamo, and I'm glad I kept it, because actually, 18 it's -- it's a cancer policy, and the longer you keep it, the 19 more it -- it increases in value if you have no claim on it. 20 So, I've just kept it, and that just -- I just pay it every 21 month, but my rates have not skyrocketed, because they 22 weren't part of our plan. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, that's why I didn't have it 24 as an action item. It was just a report. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. You have duly reported. 5-29-12 108 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I've reported. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: And we got something to chew on. My 3 intention with regard to Item 8 that I forgot was that this 4 is very likely an executive session item. We're dealing with 5 a real property interest that the County may be doing 6 something on, so that was my purpose in going there. 7 MS. HARGIS: That was Rusty's fault. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Oh. 9 MS. HARGIS: He punched me. (Laughter.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. Well, dull his elbow, then. 11 Okay? Let's go to Section 4, if we might. Payment of the 12 bills. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'll make a motion to pay the 14 bills. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion's been made and seconded that 17 we pay the bills. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have a question. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes, sir? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Just curiosity about these 21 lawyers, civil -- appointed civil attorneys. Are some of 22 these people from other towns? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, of course they are. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right. So -- you said 25 that like you were serious. 5-29-12 109 1 JUDGE TINLEY: I am serious. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Well, how does this 3 work, then? So, when someone indigent comes up to the Judge, 4 and he appoints -- appoints an attorney, he says to himself, 5 or his staff, "Well, we pay enough of these Kerr County 6 lawyers; let's go to San Antonio to get some"? How does that 7 work? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't know what they're thinking 9 when they say what they say or think what they think, but 10 anybody that's got a law license, they can appoint whoever 11 they want to. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Most of them keep a list of 13 the ones that will do court appointments in our courts, and 14 they just try and keep rotating through that list. And they 15 look for the best qualified; if that attorney really 16 specializes more in sexual assault cases, or this one does 17 something else. They really do try and pick evenly. But you 18 get a lot of those, Buster, like Clay Steadman; you know, 19 he's got an office here -- practice here. I think most of 20 his family and that's from around Boerne area, if I'm not 21 mistaken. You know, but there's a lot of those that are 22 technically out of town. Really, the more attorneys we have, 23 the better -- I hate to say this -- the better off -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I can't believe you are 25 saying it. 5-29-12 110 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The better off we are, because 2 of the defense. We're getting conflicts of interest. You 3 get -- you get companion cases. You get, you know, two 4 people charged with burglary. Most of the time, they're not 5 going to give them the same attorney. You need to split 6 that. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's just kind of foreign 8 thinking to me. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Rusty says we need lots more 10 lawyers. Don't you agree with that? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It would probably help the 13 jail situation. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's my point. We got -- 15 we got local boys in here, and, I mean, we're using them 16 some. But, you know, Falkenberg. You know, who in the world 17 is that? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: That's Mrs. Falkenberg's son. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Robert, that's right. 20 Wetherbee. Anyway, I was just curious about that. I don't 21 -- I don't agree with that kind of thinking, but whatever. 22 MS. HARGIS: Some of these are C.P.S. cases, and 23 that's where we see most of the attorneys that may not be 24 from here. 'Cause, remember, that judge is not from here 25 either. 5-29-12 111 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: And that judge, by the way, is not 3 elected. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, thank you. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Here or anywhere else. Any more 6 questions, Commissioner? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I believe we have a motion and a 9 second to pay the bills. Any more questions or comments? 10 All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 11 hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 13 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 14 (No response.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Budget 16 amendments. Looks like we've got a couple here. On the 17 request dated 29 May, 2012, Crime Victims Rights and Road and 18 Bridge. Any questions on those? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is someone going to explain 21 the Road and Bridge one? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion for approval. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Is there a second? We have a 25 second. I wish I could explain the Road and Bridge -- wish 5-29-12 112 1 someone was here to do that. Do you have an explanation? 2 MS. HARGIS: Yes. When we get the property 3 insurance, we -- we estimate the property insurance for 4 budget purposes. We don't always get the invoice from TAC at 5 the same time. So, this is our property insurance, and he 6 had more money in his line item than we were billed, and he 7 ran a little bit short in his paving, so that's the reason 8 why. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Has he already ordered all of his 10 aggregates for his upcoming sealcoating program, and -- 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Most of it. 12 MS. HARGIS: Most of it, yes. Not all of it. I 13 think it's, like, 50, 60 percent, but he didn't order all of 14 it. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He's got a lot of it 16 stockpiled already. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: I would think that this would -- but 18 I'm concerned at this point in the year, if he hasn't already 19 ordered it all, and already being short, that concerns me. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. No, I don't believe 21 that's the case. I don't think he's -- I don't think he's 22 running short. I think this may be a little bit in addition 23 to what he might have been planning to do, being as he had a 24 little extra money that he knew he could draw from. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 5-29-12 113 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Of course, if they work all 2 year on that Ag Barn, they don't have to worry about this 3 paving. (Laughter.) We're going to save money. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: We didn't strike a nerve over there, 5 did we, Commissioner? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It was just three of us most 7 of the time. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Combination of that and all the 9 aggregate already being out in 4. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Leave my piles alone. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Stockpiles. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, lord. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I believe we had a motion and a 14 second on that also? 15 THE CLERK: I didn't hear the motion. I heard a 16 second, but not the motion. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: No, you made the motion. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Baldwin seconded. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I seconded it. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Any other questions or 23 comments on the budget amendments? All in favor, signify by 24 raising your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 5-29-12 114 1 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 2 (No response.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion carried. We do have, it 4 appears, a late bill to Mr. Lewis. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Lewis has a -- has a receivable, 7 apparently, under -- this is probably the show barn matter. 8 Do I hear a motion to approve the late bill to Mr. Lewis? 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Move approval. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made. Do I hear a second? 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 13 approval of the late bill payment to Mr. Lewis. Further 14 question or discussion? 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We've been working him pretty 16 hard. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Any further question? All in 18 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 21 (No response.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Monthly reports. 23 I've been presented with monthly reports from Kerr County 24 Payroll; District Clerk, amended; Justice of the Peace, 25 Precinct 4; Kerr County Road and Bridge for December 2010, 5-29-12 115 1 March 2012, and April 2012. Do I hear a motion that the 2 indicated reports as presented be approved as presented? 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Motion to approve. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded that the 6 indicated reports be approved as presented. Question or 7 discussion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 8 hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's move 13 to Section 4 -- 5, rather, reports from Commissioners in 14 connection with their liaison and committee assignments. 15 Commissioner Letz? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we've already gone over 17 anything I have for the day. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Commissioner Oehler? 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Nothing further, Judge. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Baldwin? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Y'all want to talk about 22 ESD's? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Again? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 5-29-12 116 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's exciting stuff. It 2 looks like this week, that we will probably have enough 3 signatures to do this thing. That's all. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Reports from elected officials? 5 Department heads? 6 MR. BOLLIER: I would just like to say thank you to 7 Ms. Jeannie and Ms. Dawn for such a wonderful prize. Thank 8 you very much. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I want to see the design for your 10 Nike shoes before you submit it. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I want to see that, too. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Ought to be good. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Pieper? 14 MR. BOLLIER: Blue and gold, Buster. 15 MS. PIEPER: No. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Hargis? 17 MS. HARGIS: No. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Little bit of good news. Our 19 garden has been doing real well this year. As a matter of 20 fact, last week we donated our first, about -- between 15 and 21 20 pounds of green beans to the Meals on Wheels Dietert 22 Center program. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Fantastic. Fantastic. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And today we're probably -- 25 they were picking this morning again, and so we're probably 5-29-12 117 1 going to donate another 15, 20 pounds of beans. We'll 2 probably divide this one up between K'Star, the women's 3 shelter, and again the Meals on Wheels here, Dietert Center. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But they -- you know, if you 6 haven't been out there to see it, it's doing real well. It's 7 100 and -- 154, 160 tomato plants, all kinds of pepper 8 plants. We've got about 20 rows of beans. There's going to 9 be more beans than this whole county knows what to do with. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Do we get picking rights? 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, sorry. No employees get 12 to use it. But I think it is working; we're getting inmate 13 involvement out there, and we've had good rains this year. 14 The ag -- you know, cleaning out the Ag Barn with everything 15 left over from the stock show really helped that out last 16 year. It did real well this year mixing it in, and my Farmer 17 Jones here that brings his tractor and plows does pretty good 18 with his own thing. And, you know, it's just -- it's been 19 good. It's been good for the inmates and the employees, and 20 it's just really looking good this year. The city, you know, 21 knocks us down on water, so we need to look at that. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What about your jail 23 population? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Jail population is running -- 25 let's see. This morning, it was 120, 122. It's starting to 5-29-12 118 1 inch back -- inch back up. Females were back up to 22, 23 2 over the weekend. That's the only -- I'm still just -- that 3 female population is just -- we're not getting rid of them. 4 I don't know what to do with them. Of course, who's ever 5 known what to do with females? But, you know, that's the way 6 it goes. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: How's the shower deal? Is 8 that -- 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: He's working on it slowly. 10 Down the main hall, we've already redone about -- probably 11 about 10 of them so far, I guess. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: About 10? 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Eight or 10 that he's stripped 14 and refinished, and then he's just working at his own speed 15 getting the rest of them. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But all that's going real 18 well. It looks good right now. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Good. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Thank you. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What's the next thing in 22 line for after beans? 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we've already got 24 jalapeño peppers that just about need to be picked. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about squash and -- 5-29-12 119 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Squash is blooming. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Blooming squash. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We will have beaucoups of 4 that. The tomatoes are producing small tomatoes right now. 5 You know, it'll be a little while for them yet, but it's -- 6 corn we just planted last week; it's already sticking its 7 head up. So -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How's the okra? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Standing about four -- some of 10 it, maybe 4 to 6 inches tall right now. It's doing good. 11 So, as long as we can just keep the water to it, it's really 12 doing good this year. Everything really looks good. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is fantastic. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's right at an acre in size, 15 so it's really done well. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: You -- you mentioned that you had 17 some nutrients added by virtue of what was taken out of the 18 show barn. If you need some more manure, maybe we could hold 19 a meeting out there, and -- (Laughter.) 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That would give it plenty, I'm 21 sure, with this Court. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just knew you'd say we'd 23 have a joint meeting with the City. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That may burn everything. 25 MR. HENNEKE: Tough act to follow, but I hope to 5-29-12 120 1 bring a little bit more good news. There was some discussion 2 at the courthouse that the community service workers' hours 3 had dropped off as far as what was being done at Kerr County. 4 And I had a meeting with Andrea Bode, and, in fact, it has -- 5 the little chart on the first page of what I've given you 6 shows of all the total -- fiscal year total of community 7 service hours performed, what percentage of those were 8 performed for Kerr County. And you've seen that, you know, 9 it was at around 30 percent a couple years ago, and it's 10 dropped down last year and this year to 20 percent. In the 11 second and third page, what I have is the actual breakdown of 12 how those hours were allocated. If you turn to the last 13 page, that is this current fiscal year. Since September 1st 14 of 2011 through last week, there's been a total of 27 -- 15 27,481 hours performed. And of those, about 4,200 have been 16 performed for Kerr County. 17 The way they break that out is 1,800 hours so far 18 this year at the Ag Barn, about 200 at Animal Control, 370 19 here in the courthouse, 250 with Adult Probation. Looks like 20 about 400 for the J.P. 3, 1, and 4. And then for the Kerr 21 County Fair, they broke that and the stock show out 22 separately. Kerr County Fair, they used 339 hours, and for 23 the stock show, they used 705 hours. The commitment that 24 I've received from them is, moving forward, they're going to 25 assign all of the adult misdemeanor community service hours 5-29-12 121 1 to Kerr County, and right now that is the lion's share of 2 community service hours being allocated. So, I think that's 3 going to be a major change in all the community service hours 4 being assessed out of County Court at Law by the County 5 Attorney's office. Those -- the commitment from Adult 6 Probation is that they will dedicate those to work with Kerr 7 County. I think that will drastically increase our numbers. 8 You know, whereas for a felony now, someone getting 9 100 hours of community service, but that 100 hours is spaced 10 out over five years of probation, in County Court at Law, 11 we're assessing the same number of community service hours, 12 if not more, for a misdemeanor, and that's being compressed 13 over a shorter period of probation. So, I hope this helps, 14 and I think it's also useful information for us to see 15 internally how the hours with Kerr County are being 16 apportioned. And, you know, if we've got a request for, you 17 know, more hours with Animal Control, but less hours at the 18 Ag Barn, or more hours with the courthouse and less hours 19 with the J.P. courts, you know, I think we need to have a 20 discussion and have those requests made to Adult Probation. 21 But I hope it will be positive having the misdemeanor 22 community service hours dedicated to Kerr County, and we'll 23 see how it goes from there. Yes, sir? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Question. Code 11, S.A. 25 MR. HENNEKE: I don't know what that is. 5-29-12 122 1 JUDGE TINLEY: What does that stand for? 2 MR. HENNEKE: I think that's Salvation Army. And I 3 think that's separate from the Kroc Center, because I know 4 that the Salvation Army is a major recipient of community 5 service hours. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. 7 MR. HENNEKE: That's my best guess, Judge. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, that makes sense. Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then -- well, let's stay 10 with that just for a second. Then the W.C. -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Water closet. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Water closet. 13 MR. HENNEKE: I don't know who that is. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then right above that 15 one -- 16 MR. HENNEKE: Treatment center? I'm not advised, 17 Commissioner. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: That may be the -- may be the city 19 treatment center, water treatment center. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Treatment center. 21 MR. HENNEKE: This is -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait a minute. 23 MR. HENNEKE: This is a printout of their code. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We wouldn't send somebody to 25 a private -- I mean, treatment centers are private hospital 5-29-12 123 1 kind of things. We wouldn't -- 2 MR. HENNEKE: If it's not -- if it's a nonprofit, 3 they may qualify for community service workers, just as the 4 Salvation Army or B.C.F.S. or, you know, Red Cross received 5 community service workers. But not if it's a for-profit 6 company, it shouldn't be. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just don't know that 8 treatment center -- that's a nonprofit. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But that's an interesting list 10 to see where they're doing community service. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Never seen that before. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else at this point? 13 Very well. We'll go out of open or public session at 11:59 14 a.m. for the purpose of going into executive session to 15 consider these remaining agenda item. 16 (The open session was closed at 11:59 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 17 is contained in a separate document.) 18 - - - - - - - - - - 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's get back into open or 20 public session. It is 12:13 p.m. Any member of the Court 21 have anything to offer with regard to matters considered in 22 executive session? Hearing no one offering anything up, 23 anything else to come before the Court this meeting? We're 24 adjourned. 25 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 12:13 p.m.) - - - - - - - - - - 5-29-12 124 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 1st day of June, 2012. 8 9 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5-29-12