1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Budget Workshop 10 Monday, June 25, 2012 11 1:30 p.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X June 25, 2012 2 PAGE 3 --- Review and discuss FY 2012-13, individual department budgets, including requests for 4 additional personnel 1 5 --- Adjourned 87 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, June 25, 2012, at 1:30 p.m., a budget 2 workshop of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good afternoon, ladies and 8 gentlemen. Let me call to order the budget workshop of the 9 Commissioners Court posted and scheduled for today, Monday, 10 June 25, 2012, at 1:30. It is that time now. The budget 11 workshop this afternoon is to review and discuss the fiscal 12 year 2012-13 individual department budgets, including 13 requests for additional personnel. When the agenda came out, 14 I had a few individuals that contacted me that they weren't 15 going to be able to be here today for some reason or another. 16 The example is the County Clerk; she and her chief deputy are 17 at a conference today. So, my response to her was, if you've 18 got any issues with the budget as reviewed on the regular 19 line items, other than personnel issues, salary items, 20 capital items and so forth, the big-ticket items, we need to 21 review those today. Plus if you want any additional 22 personnel. If they weren't able to be here, I asked that 23 they submit something in writing so that the Court could 24 consider it. So, that's essentially what we're going to 25 cover today. Hopefully we will have very, very few issues 6-25-12 bwk 4 1 with regard to individual line items in the budgets. I think 2 most of you have had an opportunity to review those after you 3 submitted your request. Then they were reviewed, maybe some 4 adjustments made, and if, for some reason, those adjustments 5 are not satisfactory with you, that's what we need to hear 6 about today. But beyond that, we're going to mainly be 7 concerned about individual additional personnel that are 8 required. So, let's move on. We've got -- got the County 9 Judge and Commissioners Court, is the first two items. I 10 don't know that there's any requests for additional personnel 11 in either of those. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Would we be replacing 13 anyone? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: You never know, you know. Next one, 15 elections. Any difficulty in the elections budget with 16 regard to individual line items? 17 MS. BOLIN: The last correspondence I had was that 18 we could not get in there, so I have had nothing since, so I 19 have not had a chance to look at what you revised. Last time 20 I spoke to Jeannie, she told me that she was still looking at 21 it; we couldn't get into it, so I have not had a chance to 22 look at it. 23 MS. HARGIS: I can hand it to her. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: You should have had access to 25 that -- 6-25-12 bwk 5 1 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: -- for some period of time. Because 3 once we had an opportunity to review it, we made a few 4 adjustments. 5 MS. HARGIS: Did you skip over Commissioners, 6 Judge? Did you skip over 402? 401? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: It appears that no additional 8 personnel in the elections? Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: On Page -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: County Clerk. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Page 8. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: She did not have -- I think the 13 members of the Court have gotten a copy of the communication 14 that I provided from the clerk. She requests one additional 15 deputy, essentially, to act as a, quote, rover, unquote. 16 According to the -- 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's what I got. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: -- request that she made to me. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, what is this? 20 MS. HARGIS: That's -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: That's an itemization of -- 22 MS. HARGIS: -- all their requests. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: That includes part of what we're 25 talking about today, and some of which we won't talk about 6-25-12 bwk 6 1 today. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, like, the County Clerk 3 is an example. She's asking for a deputy salary. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Uh-huh. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just don't see anything 6 like that on there -- oh, I do, too. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do, too. I was just 9 checking to make sure you did. (Laughter.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's another service of 12 Commissioner 1. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, all of these things that 15 we're going to talk about, about folks that are requesting 16 new employees, are on this sheet of paper? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: To the best of my knowledge, that is 18 correct. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Any particular thoughts -- does the 21 Court just want to get an overview at this time, or are there 22 any particular thoughts as we go through these that any 23 member of the Court wants to voice? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, we got -- you know, if 25 you're talking about the County Clerk, you got to define 6-25-12 bwk 7 1 "rover." You got to -- you know, and all that stuff. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, the letter essentially 3 indicates that a rover could cover individuals that are maybe 4 pulled away to be in court, are on vacation, sick leave, or 5 on break. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: On break? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: So that they can cover for the 8 individual that's in that sort of a status. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. And then you get into 12 this first paragraph thing here of, "I've tried it 13 without..." She cut -- in the years past, cut an employee, 14 and she's tried that out and realizes that she can't make it 15 without an employee. So, there's another piece of criteria 16 to weigh in. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Am I reading this right on 18 the top? Oh, no, this is Tax Assessor. We're doing the 19 clerk. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, we're doing the clerk right 21 now. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Maybe we should just get an 23 overview of everything and come back and get them 24 individually. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. We'll move right along, 6-25-12 bwk 8 1 then. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I want to make sure 3 that -- it seems to me that there's an inconsistency. Down 4 at the bottom, you have Animal Control there -- listed on 5 here, but those are education increases and certificate 6 increases, which those shouldn't -- 7 MS. HARGIS: We have to budget for them. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know we budget for them, but 9 we don't -- I mean, there are -- I'm sure, county-wide, are a 10 lot more of those than just in Animal Control. 11 MS. HARGIS: Well, she just happens to have her 12 whole department going this year, so that she requested that, 13 and we needed to know that so we could add it into the 14 education. We do the Sheriff's Department; that's usually 15 the one -- the only other one, and he estimates and tells us 16 how much. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 18 MS. HARGIS: The rest of the departments, we've 19 kind of been caught with our pants down a lot of times with 20 not -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Probably the best way to tell if 22 it's a new employee is to look -- look in the 23 next-to-the-last column, and if it's just an increase, it 24 will be a smaller number. If it's a new employee, it'll be a 25 much bigger number. 6-25-12 bwk 9 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Or you could look for the 2 words "new employee." 3 JUDGE TINLEY: That will help, sure. 4 MS. HARGIS: If you look at the section that is 5 blank in the beginning, -- 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 7 MS. HARGIS: -- that's all new employees. Like the 8 Tax Assessor. See where it's blank under those two lines? 9 And go over; that's a new employee, the last -- the second 10 two. Okay? Then you skip down to Maintenance. From 11 Maintenance all the way down to the security bailiff, that's 12 all new employees. And that's all the new employees. 13 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 14 MS. HARGIS: It's not on there. They have 15 something else in their hand. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. We'll move through Records 17 Management, Mental Health, I.T. I.T., as I recall, is making 18 do with interns through the summer; is that correct? 19 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, sir, that's correct. The 20 adjustment on the budget is that there is a new line item for 21 I.T. part-time, and we're requesting it to be funded at 22 $3,600. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Why am I showing 1,500 here? 24 MS. HARGIS: I think that was his initial request. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 6-25-12 bwk 10 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How much, 30? 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 3,600. 3 MR. TROLINGER: 3,600. 4 MS. HARGIS: It's already in the budget. 5 MR. TROLINGER: And we're well underway with the 6 intern program. It's going very well, by the way. We've got 7 all kinds of projects going on, and the two big ones are 8 being covered because of this person. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10 MR. TROLINGER: And I did have -- Judge, I 11 initially put in the budget a request for a step increase -- 12 actually, a total of two step increases. The total's about 13 four -- a little bit less than $4,000. But when I'd made my 14 department request, I put them in there, and they've been 15 wiped off of there. But -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: That's because we're not considering 17 anything out of the -- other than ordinary policy-mandated 18 step increases. 19 MR. TROLINGER: Okay. I just wanted to let you 20 know that, you know, I do feel that Bruce and Matt have just 21 done an extraordinary job with the elections, every -- every 22 single thing. They really work hard at what they do. I 23 think they -- we should look at merit increases for them. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: We will look at that at another 25 time. 6-25-12 bwk 11 1 MR. TROLINGER: And then the other line item to 2 consider today, we originally had $1,800 in overtime, and I 3 wanted to check on your numbers to make sure that that's been 4 restored. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think -- by what I'm showing 6 here, that wasn't changed. 7 MR. TROLINGER: Okay, thank you. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Nondepartmental, that's a 9 bunch of insurance. We're going to get to that separately. 10 County Court. Kathy, we don't need an additional reporter, 11 do we? County Court at Law, we've not received any requests 12 from them for additional personnel, and I've received no 13 communication from them regarding any of their budget line 14 items as they may have been modified. Court Compliance, I've 15 not received anything from them. Is anyone here from Court 16 Compliance? 17 MS. HARGIS: Terry's here. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you okay with things? 19 MS. LYLE: So far. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. All right. Well, that's all 21 you can hope for, is so far. 22 MS. LYLE: Exactly. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Right? 24 MS. LYLE: Exactly. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 216th District Court and 6-25-12 bwk 12 1 198th. Becky Henderson indicated that she would not be able 2 to be here. I made the same explanation to her; if there was 3 any concern about any of the individual line items that may 4 have been adjusted or any requests for additional personnel, 5 to put that in writing. I've not received anything from her. 6 Have you, Ms. Hargis? 7 MS. HARGIS: No, I have not. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. 9 MS. HARGIS: Nor on the 198th. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, same with 198th. I assume 11 they would have done likewise with the jail court. Crime 12 Victims. 13 MS. LAVENDER: Hi. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you okay so far? 15 MS. LAVENDER: So far. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: You're okay. 216th D.A., 17 198th D.A., I suspect those budgets will actually be 18 presented to us separately. 19 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the norm. District Clerk. 21 Robbin, you're here on Linda's behalf, are you not? 22 MS. BURLEW: That is correct, sir. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: And -- 24 MS. BURLEW: We are not asking for any additional 25 personnel. 6-25-12 bwk 13 1 JUDGE TINLEY: You are requesting some additional 2 part-time money? 3 MS. BURLEW: Yes, sir, we are. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: From what, 12 to 20, I believe it 5 was? 6 MS. BURLEW: Yes, sir. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: I think that sounds about right. 8 MS. HARGIS: It's in there. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah, okay. So, so far 10 you're okay? 11 MS. BURLEW: We're okay. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. J.P. 1, any particular 13 problem with the individual line items? 14 JUDGE MITCHELL: He's at mental health hearings, so 15 I don't know. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm sorry for his difficulty. I'm 17 not aware of any -- any additional personnel that he's 18 requesting. Is that your understanding, Ms. Mitchell? 19 JUDGE MITCHELL: Yes. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. J.P. 2, same? 21 MS. HARGIS: I haven't heard from J.R. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Judge Mitchell? 23 JUDGE MITCHELL: I'm not requesting any additional. 24 Everything's fine. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: That might not be all the story, but 6-25-12 bwk 14 1 you're not requesting additional people, right? 2 JUDGE MITCHELL: That's right. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. J.P. 4? I've heard nothing 4 from Judge Ragsdale. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I haven't heard -- haven't 6 heard anything from him. 7 MS. HARGIS: I just need to make sure that the rent 8 is correct, so if somebody will just let me know what that's 9 going to be, I'd appreciate it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Show that to be 800 continuing. 11 MS. HARGIS: 9,600. Okay, good. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: County Attorney? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On the J.P.'s, they have there 14 on our sheet -- 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, they want a $4,500 16 increase. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, that's an increase. That's 18 not additional personnel. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: This is just talking about 20 personnel. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm trying to chop this up into 22 little, bitty pieces. County Attorney, anything with the 23 individual line items on the budget that may have been 24 adjusted? 25 MR. HENNEKE: Judge, the County Attorney's office 6-25-12 bwk 15 1 is not asking for any new personnel. I don't see that 2 there's been any adjustments off from the current year's 3 budget. Of course, the Court has my letter. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: And what you submitted for request? 5 MR. HENNEKE: Yes, sir. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask a question right 8 quick while we're on this, and I'm back on this sheet here. 9 County Attorney, that last one, that shows the 17.12. 10 What -- what is that? Why is that different from the other 11 county attorneys? 12 MS. HARGIS: Because that's an employee. That's 13 not -- you know, the other three are exempt. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not an attorney? 15 MR. HENNEKE: No, sir, that's Wayne. 16 MS. HARGIS: That's Wayne. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Commissioner, that is going 18 to relate to the issue of when we talked about extending the 19 step model out three more places. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Do you recall that discussion? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, I do. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Because some folks had topped out. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Frankly, I thought we had approved 6-25-12 bwk 16 1 that last year, but when you analyze what occurred, 2 apparently it did not get formally approved. So, it is in -- 3 it's in the budget, as I've got it to this point, to extend 4 that out three more steps. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think it's fair for our 7 longest -- our longest serving employees to penalize them 8 because they choose to keep that institutional knowledge here 9 and let us have the benefit of it, and then we penalize them 10 for it. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You feel that way about me? 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you're an elected official, so 13 we're not going to get into that. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll take that as a no. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. (Laughter.) 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. All right. So, 17 this -- the 17.12, then, that'll be an increase that we talk 18 about at a later time? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah, that'll be as to 20 whether or not we actually approve this time extending those 21 steps out on the position schedule three more places. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. And Wayne's kinds of 23 in charge of the courthouse, anyway. I don't know if that 24 was common knowledge or not. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: He's been in charge for a pretty 6-25-12 bwk 17 1 good while. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Folks just don't realize it. That's 4 why things have been going so well. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He's pretty good at it. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Cat's out of the bag now, 7 baby. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's get on to Human 9 Resources. H.R., where is she? There she is. 10 MS. LANTZ: There's no changes. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: You're good with your one full-time 12 and one part-time? 13 MS. LANTZ: Yes, sir. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. And the other, I don't know 15 if any adjustments were made to your request or not, but if 16 there were, it's not anything you can't live with, right? 17 MS. LANTZ: Correct. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: So, so far you're okay? 19 MS. LANTZ: I'm okay. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: I think Terry's "so far" is going to 21 be the order of the day. 22 MS. LYLE: Catching on. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. County Auditor? I think I 24 smell a new employee coming there. But it's one that's 25 already budgeted, right? 6-25-12 bwk 18 1 MS. HARGIS: Right. Other than that, everything's 2 pretty much the same. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What do y'all mean? Let us 5 in on that. 6 MS. HARGIS: Well, I have a vacancy. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: There's one we sent downstairs this 8 morning. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Is that the spot 10 you're talking about? 11 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And you're going to hire a 15 new employee at that same salary? 16 MS. HARGIS: No, I'm going to make another request. 17 It just depends on the rest of the resumes that come in, but 18 I may make a separate request. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you going to ask to 20 increase it? 21 MS. HARGIS: We'll see. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the bad news. The good news 24 for us is, we really don't have control over that, if you'll 25 remember. 6-25-12 bwk 19 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do remember. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: That goes on upstairs. County 3 Treasurer, I'm not sure who we need to be talking to here 4 right now. 5 MS. SOLDAN: I'm not requesting any additional 6 personnel. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did you hear that? Do you 9 see that, that forceful answer? 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Mm-hmm. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Leadership. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Gave me confidence. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Tax Assessor. 14 MS. HARGIS: See what you took from me? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Huh? 16 MS. HARGIS: See what you took from me? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Tax Assessor. Am I reading this 18 correctly, that you are seeking -- 19 MS. BOLIN: Two. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: -- two new employees? 21 MS. BOLIN: Yes, sir. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I thought it was just one. 23 MS. BOLIN: One for taxes and one for motor 24 vehicle. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: We're now into the Maintenance. 6-25-12 bwk 20 1 Tim, you're essentially asking for one for maintenance and 2 one for custodial? 3 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, I am. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The one for custodial is to replace 5 the one that's retiring? 6 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Not? 8 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, I'm asking for a new one. 9 I'm asking for one additional maintenance man and one 10 additional custodian. The one for Mando retiring, that's 11 different. I've already got the okay from you guys to hire 12 that position. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 14 MR. BOLLIER: And that position can start July the 15 1st. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 17 MR. BOLLIER: The two that you see -- yes, sir? 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Does this new maintenance 19 person, does it have anything to do with the jail? 20 MR. BOLLIER: It has to do with everything. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is this going to be a 22 separate conversation later on about the jail budget? Or -- 23 I'm asking you. 24 MR. BOLLIER: It could be that way, yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It could be that way. 6-25-12 bwk 21 1 MR. BOLLIER: It's going to more or less lead that 2 way, yes, sir. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 4 MR. BOLLIER: It's going to lead -- 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, when we start talking 6 about the jail in a little while, and they also may talk 7 about an employee, -- 8 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- we need to bring both of 10 them up at the same time? 11 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you. 13 MR. BOLLIER: And the custodial, the extra 14 custodian, right now, the way we have things scheduled, we're 15 just -- you know Maria's told me that we're just not being 16 able to spend enough time at some of these facilities to get 17 them clean the way we want them clean. And so -- 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: How many do you have right 19 now? 20 MR. BOLLIER: Three. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 22 MR. BOLLIER: I have three for 15 total facilities 23 that they clean. I believe that's what it is, 15 total 24 facilities. And, you know, she can only schedule -- you 25 know, they can only do so much in a day, and she's getting to 6-25-12 bwk 22 1 where she needs some extra help, and she's asking for it. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with him, for the 3 first time. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Only time? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The only time. 6 MR. BOLLIER: Only time. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Next one, of course, is jail 8 maintenance. And, Clay, I noted in some things from Rusty 9 that he wanted a jail maintenance person. 10 MR. BARTON: That is correct, sir. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you willing to absorb into your 12 budget a jail maintenance person? 13 MR. BARTON: He did say he would like for this jail 14 maintenance person to be paid out of our budget. Now, the 15 word "absorb," I don't know if I want to go with the word 16 "absorb." He did -- what the Sheriff has instructed me to 17 let y'all know is that he would like to have a maintenance 18 person that would be full-time at the jail to help do some 19 pre-maintenance to keep -- to try to catch stuff before -- 20 actually, that facility's 15-plus years old now. He would 21 like to have somebody that just answers to the -- to the 22 Sheriff, and is not in a position to be pulled away if Tim 23 needs a maintenance person at another location. So, he said 24 it would come out of the Sheriff's Office budget, but there 25 again, I'm going to qualify the term "absorbed" out of the 6-25-12 bwk 23 1 budget. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, if you want full control of 3 that individual, we're going to be using at least "absorb." 4 MR. BARTON: Well, I think that the -- from what 5 I've -- I haven't even seen any of this paperwork, I'm sorry. 6 I haven't seen any of that, but I -- I don't believe that the 7 -- that cost was built into what he originally sent over on 8 his -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You can relay to the Sheriff 10 that I'm not in favor of starting a sheriff -- sheriff 11 maintenance department. 12 MR. BARTON: I'll be glad to do that, Commissioner. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. I mean, it's -- I mean, 14 that just seems like that's just -- you can't have an 15 employee reporting to two people. And if he wants him to 16 report to himself, then all of a sudden, you have to get all 17 your own supplies, all that kind of stuff. Then you have 18 backup and -- you know, I think we need to have one person 19 responsible for all facility maintenance. 20 MR. BARTON: And Tim and I visited today, and it 21 would require, if that person was on vacation, one of Tim's 22 staff to -- to cover for that position. He just is of the 23 opinion that Tim gets a lot of requests on his plate, and 24 that he has to rob from Peter to pay Paul. And I understand 25 that, but he would like for this person to be able to stay 6-25-12 bwk 24 1 and continue to do maintenance at the jail instead of getting 2 pulled off to go work in a different facility. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I understand that. 4 MR. BARTON: All I can do is relay what I've been 5 asked to relay. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I understand. Okay. 7 MR. BOLLIER: It would be real -- I know that Rusty 8 wants his own maintenance person, but it would be real simple 9 to -- to solve the whole problem. If I had the extra 10 maintenance man that I put in there -- put in my budget, and 11 leave him at the jail to where he could just stay there, they 12 -- they have their -- we have our own little office space 13 over there that Rusty let us have, and the maintenance person 14 could just stay there. I mean, he can report there, and he 15 can stay there. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that's -- 17 MR. BOLLIER: That's the simplest way of doing it, 18 in my book, because that way they don't have to order their 19 stuff -- I mean, it still -- all the supplies are still 20 coming from me, and nothing extra has to come from Rusty. 21 But, you know, I don't know that that's what Rusty wants, but 22 that's what -- 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Well -- 24 MR. BOLLIER: -- I know that they need over there 25 at the jail. That jail's getting old, and there's a lot of 6-25-12 bwk 25 1 things to do over there every single day. And there's no way 2 to -- there's some days they may spend eight hours over 3 there. Some days they may spend two hours. And that's my 4 fault, because I have to call them off and send them 5 somewhere else. 6 MR. BARTON: But, generally, the two hours that 7 they might spend that day is just fixing the requests of 8 something that's broken. There's no time to do -- 9 MR. BOLLIER: Pre-maintenance. 10 MR. BARTON: -- pre-maintenance on anything. And, 11 gentlemen, I'm not going to argue. If you want to -- if it 12 ends up being Tim's personnel, it's there. I think the point 13 is having someone that can stay at the jail and take care of 14 jail needs, and that don't get pulled to go to a different 15 location. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, yeah. But we don't want 17 somebody over at the jail sitting there like a Maytag man, 18 either. 19 MR. BARTON: I understand that, Judge, but I don't 20 think our locks -- there's no pre-maintenance on any of our 21 lock system. I mean, we've got a 15-year-old plus building 22 that needs to have some pre-maintenance done to it. 23 Preventive maintenance, just a better term for it, and so 24 that we don't have to wait for something to break and then 25 have an issue. 6-25-12 bwk 26 1 MR. BOLLIER: The way things are now, we're just -- 2 you know, we go over there, we get -- by the time one man 3 gets done over there in a day, he's not pre-maintaining 4 anything. 5 MR. BARTON: Well, everything's reactive and not -- 6 there's nothing proactive. 7 MR. BOLLIER: They're just fixing. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just don't think we need to 9 have a separate maintenance department. 10 MR. BOLLIER: We could actually probably save the 11 county some money if we could pre-maintain it, because we 12 could fix things before they're broken, and a lot of times 13 over at the jail -- and Clay will tell you; a lot of times, 14 you know, when it's broken, it's broken, and that stuff over 15 there is not a $50 fix. 16 MR. BARTON: When a lock breaks, that sliding door 17 usually breaks in the middle of the night, and Tim has to get 18 somebody up and pay them overtime to get them in and get it 19 fixed, because there's no preventive maintenance done on our 20 systems. So -- 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, the jail itself. I've not 23 seen anything from the Sheriff that requests additional 24 personnel. 25 MR. BARTON: No additional personnel for the jail, 6-25-12 bwk 27 1 no, sir. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other issues you have 3 with line items? I think we made an adjustment -- 4 MR. BARTON: I'm not sure where the decrease is, 5 Judge, but looks like between requested and actual, 6 there's -- 7 MS. HARGIS: It was in -- 8 MR. BARTON: -- $120 difference, but I don't know 9 where that is. 10 MS. MABRY: It's in the salary calculation. 11 MS. HARGIS: It's in the salary. He was 12 calculating less than he should have been in the new 13 retirement. 14 MR. BARTON: The Sheriff didn't do any retirement. 15 MS. HARGIS: He did some retirement. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: So, you got nothing further? 17 MR. BARTON: Don't appear to. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. We've already talked about 19 the maintenance budget. Constable 1? 20 MR. LAVENDER: No new personnel. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: So far? 22 MR. LAVENDER: So far. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Constable 2? 3? 4? Sheriff's 24 Department. 25 MS. HARGIS: Wait a minute. On Constable 4 -- 6-25-12 bwk 28 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Constable 4, yeah. That's -- 2 MS. HARGIS: He's going to actually reduce his 3 budget. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Is it because of personnel? 5 MS. HARGIS: No, it's because of -- 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There is a personnel -- 7 MS. HARGIS: -- his new car. He's going to reduce 8 his maintenance line item where he's got 3,500. He said he 9 could go down to, like -- I think he said 1,500, the same as 10 the others. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What he's asking for is a -- 12 a nonpaid position, part-time, but he would ask that we put 13 some money for gasoline, and also for -- what will it be, 14 workman's comp? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, the workers comp would be 16 covered under another budget. 17 MS. HARGIS: Well, the person would need -- and I 18 think it's only on the weekends, on-call. It's just someone 19 who is a deputy, or wants to be a deputy, and he wants to 20 cover his gasoline. So, if we leave 3,500 in there, his 21 budget would still be the same. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, if we leave 3,500 there -- 23 MS. HARGIS: That would cover the gas. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 25 MS. HARGIS: And he's having a hard time with his 6-25-12 bwk 29 1 gas as well. I mean, he's -- he's covering a lot of miles. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Big territory. 3 MS. HARGIS: And people have asked him, and he's 4 trying to cover more areas than -- than -- like, to Divide, 5 that's 55 miles from my house. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We had that a long time ago, 7 that it's kind of like we found somebody that's willing to 8 work for no salary, so that's -- that's -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I haven't found that myself. 10 MS. HARGIS: But he wanted to be sure the Court was 11 okay with it. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, if we just leave things as-is, 13 we may have to move something from one account to another, 14 and we'll be all right then. 15 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, obviously, there's no 18 issue with buying gas for a private citizen? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I think he's going to use -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, he uses his car? 21 Forgive me. I thought you were having two guys out on the 22 road at the same time. Do we have a legal issue with a 23 private citizen being in a county emergency vehicle? 24 MS. HARGIS: I think -- 25 MR. HENNEKE: I'd like to know more about it. 6-25-12 bwk 30 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I agree. Need to ask more 2 questions. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: If he's actually commissioned, I 4 think we're okay. Have to be commissioned. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He is commissioned. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Even though he would be reserve. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He is reserve. 8 MS. HARGIS: He explained it to me, but it's been 9 about six weeks ago, but I thought he was a reserve deputy 10 that is already deputized. And so what did you -- we'll get 11 him to get with Rob. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Need some more information. 13 Just leave it like it is; I'll let you know. 14 MS. HARGIS: I don't know who the person is or 15 anything. A lot of reserve deputies do that so they can get 16 more time on -- so that they can be -- they can get so many 17 hours. But let's just get with him, and -- 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Are we through with 4 for the time 19 being? 20 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 21 MR. BARTON: Sir, can I make one more comment about 22 the maintenance? I just want to add that that's for the 23 whole complex out there. That's for the -- not just the 24 jail, but it's for the front of the building; it's for the 25 annex. And the Sheriff also has thought about if you can get 6-25-12 bwk 31 1 the person to be jail-certified, if we have an inmate that 2 has certain talents that we can utilize for that purpose, 3 he'd be able to supervise those inmates and not have to have 4 a jailer doing that also, to help around the -- the facility. 5 But it is for the entire complex, and not just for the jail 6 itself. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, it would include the annex 8 too. 9 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: The Sheriff's Department budget 11 generally, any particular concerns about that? 12 MR. BARTON: I guess -- let me see the bottom, 13 'cause I haven't seen any of this yet. 14 MS. HARGIS: Again, he played with the retirement. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good-size increase for 16 gasoline. We don't have any idea where it's going, but it's 17 coming down right now. 18 MR. BARTON: And I know he is -- 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Till Labor Day. 20 MR. BARTON: He is requesting two personnel. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, one here at the courthouse and 22 another admin lieutenant. 23 MR. BARTON: Yes, sir. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Outside of the issue with respect to 25 maintenance, correct? 6-25-12 bwk 32 1 MR. BARTON: Correct. It would be a total of three 2 new personnel if you include the maintenance person. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Looks like the maintenance is 4 going to be over here. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, are we going to have -- 6 we're going to have three bailiffs here instead of two? 7 MR. BARTON: Well, right now, Judge Williams is -- 8 is requesting that metal detectors be run at all times. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh my. 10 MR. BARTON: And if we are to do that, we don't 11 currently have enough personnel here to do that. Even just 12 running one metal detector upstairs, we can't have the guys 13 do what they're currently doing around the courthouse and 14 have someone have to sit there and run the metal detector. 15 So, if that request is to be granted, we're going to have to 16 have some personnel with which to do it. Now, he -- he did 17 build that into his part of his budget preparation. He -- 18 but that's what the Judge has gotten with him about, and the 19 Judge has got some concerns, and it's our understanding the 20 Judge would like to have someone up there, it's my 21 understanding, even when court's not going on. He'd just 22 like to have that upper area covered with a metal detector, 23 which requires someone sitting there the whole time the 24 courthouse is open till closing time. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Kind of like the Maytag 6-25-12 bwk 33 1 repairman. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm, kind of like. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Court doesn't happen every 4 day up there. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm not a big fan of the 6 thought of putting our citizens through something like that, 7 myself. You know, if Judge Williams were to come down and 8 convince us all that there's -- 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: A need. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- a need. I started to -- 11 thank you. I mean, it would be worth a conversation. But I 12 don't get it. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Now, I can understand in a 14 particular high-profile case, or a case in which you've got 15 an individual or individuals involved that have a strong 16 history of -- of maybe being a bubble and a half off and 17 doing weird and crazy things. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's don't get personal. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 MR. BARTON: I believe that -- from what I 21 understand, I think Kendall County now runs one, and that's 22 one of the Judge's other counties. I guess that's what laid 23 the foundation for requesting that we do the same thing. I 24 can't speak for the Judge. That's just kind of what I've 25 been led to believe, so I'm just a messenger here today. 6-25-12 bwk 34 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Juvenile Probation. The 2 numbers I've adjusted, so far as you know, you can live with? 3 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: You're not requesting any additional 5 personnel? 6 MR. DAVIS: Absolutely not. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: So for now, you're good? 8 MR. DAVIS: We are fantastic. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: All right, thank you. Adult 10 Probation. We provide limited resources to them. 11 MS. HARGIS: Remember, this is an in and an out. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 13 MS. HARGIS: They give us the money and we provide 14 the instructor, so it's basically because it has to come 15 through the county. It's a program that has to go directly 16 through the county, but we get the revenue of 107; we pay out 17 107. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: D.P.S. That's a limited obligation, 19 and that continues. 20 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. I think they've actually 21 turned in some of their phones. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Say again? 23 MS. HARGIS: They turned in some of their phones. 24 That's why we reduced it. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Looking at the -- 6-25-12 bwk 35 1 MS. HARGIS: Four phones. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Say again? 3 MS. HARGIS: They turned in four phones. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I'm not sure there's anything 5 we can do right now with City/County. We're in the process 6 of transitioning over the airport. Hopefully all of that 7 falls directly under the Airport Board. That's the only 8 personnel requirement that we have there, as far as I know. 9 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, the one maintenance person. I 10 think he's asked for one and a half, but that's the same. 11 This is what he's asked for right now, as it stands. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Health and Emergency Services, 13 that's all outside. Environmental Health. 14 MS. HARGIS: Can we go back? I haven't heard from 15 First Responders. Commissioner Baldwin, have you heard if 16 they need -- last year they increased it. Did they -- I 17 haven't heard from them. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I don't -- I recall the 19 only thing we increased is that we started -- 20 MS. HARGIS: Buying the -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- buying some gasoline for 22 the responders that saved our citizens' lives. 23 MS. HARGIS: And I think some -- some gear of some 24 kind that we were buying. I'm not -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, but not much, 'cause 6-25-12 bwk 36 1 he gets most of that through grants. But I will have him 2 call you. 3 MS. HARGIS: Okay, thank you. Sorry, Ray. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Based on what's occurred in that 5 budget, that First Responder budget in the past year, I think 6 we've got adequate funds in there to cover either one of 7 those. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure looks that way, doesn't 9 it? 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. So, Environmental Health, you 11 just got a position filled, did you not? 12 MR. GARCIA: Yes. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: One that was in existence. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, it wasn't a new position. It 15 was a budgeted position. Anything else there? 16 MS. HARGIS: We probably need to go back and add 17 longevity for that person, because they'll come up at this 18 time, so we don't have that in there. 19 MR. GARCIA: Right. Also, you have -- let me see. 20 Site cleanup -- 21 MS. HARGIS: We reduced that, because you haven't 22 spent. 23 MR. GARCIA: Well, you guys -- we talked about this 24 in court. You wanted me to add the -- I believe it was -- 25 where's my original on that? 6-25-12 bwk 37 1 MS. HARGIS: Six. 2 MR. GARCIA: Look at my notes on there. Site 3 cleanup. 4 MS. HARGIS: $1,000 that's in there, 2,000 for 5 Partners in Ministry. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Center Point cleanup. 7 MR. GARCIA: Right. 8 MS. HARGIS: So that's fine. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, it's all about Center 10 Point. 11 MS. HARGIS: So, it's 2,000 for them, and then that 12 leaves you three. And if you look across, the most you've 13 ever spent is 1,700. 14 MR. GARCIA: Right. But we've been keeping that 15 4,000 in there for our Kerr County Nuisance Abatement 16 program. Just a reminder, and we have -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so you're going to use 18 it before October 1st? Is that what you're saying? 19 MR. GARCIA: I'm using -- no, I'm not using 20 anything before October 1st. I'm just saying that for the 21 new budget, that -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Need to leave it in there. 23 MR. GARCIA: We've always had that in there for a 24 Kerr County Nuisance Abatement program. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see, yeah. 6-25-12 bwk 38 1 MR. GARCIA: That court order in there. But, 2 again, that increase was only because of what the Court 3 directed me to have it in there at that time for C.S.I., and 4 then for -- 5 JUDGE TINLEY: What do you have under site cleanup 6 now? 7 MS. HARGIS: $488. He's only spent -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: No. No, for next year's budget. 9 MS. HARGIS: I have five. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: 5,000? 11 MS. HARGIS: Which would leave him three, so we'd 12 have to go up one if you still want the four with the court 13 order. I don't know anything about the court order, so -- 14 MR. GARCIA: The court orders are Kerr County 15 Nuisance Abatement program, and that's in my notes. 16 That's -- we've always had that in there. And that's what -- 17 we run our nuisance abatement programs in every one of 18 y'all's precincts, and when -- again, when we run into that 19 situation, that's what that money's used for. And when the 20 C.S.I. and these other nonprofits came up requesting that we 21 help them with tipping fees for the cleaning, -- 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 23 MR. GARCIA: -- that's when we talked about that in 24 court, that we -- I had put that note in there, that it was a 25 discussion that we had, and then the e-mail that I did 6-25-12 bwk 39 1 receive from Jeannie herself telling me that I believe Tess 2 was getting quotes on that. We had to add that money that we 3 talked about here in court, plus the 4,000 that -- Jeannie 4 didn't say that, but I'm saying that. That's why I had the 5 4,000 in there, plus whatever we had added, which was -- I 6 think would have brought us up to 6,000 in that line item. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Is that -- you're requesting 8 6,000? 9 MR. GARCIA: That was the original request, I 10 believe, in there. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think 5,000 still seems 12 reasonable. Even -- the nuisance abatement might be a little 13 bit less, but you haven't spent that much historically, so 14 we're allowing 3,000 for nuisance abatement. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good point. It's a good 16 point. 17 MR. GARCIA: And if we come up short again with the 18 nuisance abatement, whenever they do come up again, we're -- 19 we also go shopping for the best quote. So, I mean. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think 5,000. 21 MR. GARCIA: We can work with that. That's more 22 than adequate. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: By any chance, are you from 24 Comfort area? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's been said that. 6-25-12 bwk 40 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. So, we got that one nailed 2 down at five for now, right? 3 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 5 MS. HARGIS: And adding longevity because of the 6 new personnel. So, that's the changes in that one. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Animal Control? 8 MS. WHITT: No additional personnel. I do have 9 a -- a couple of questions, one in particular. On the 10 immunizations, there's $6,100 in there for post-exposure 11 vaccines. My question is, if one of my employees gets bit, I 12 mean, they've already had their pre-exposure vaccine, so 13 typically the way it works is, we would quarantine that 14 animal. The only way they would need the post-exposure would 15 be if we couldn't find the animal and it was a high-risk 16 rabies carrier or something like that. The chances of all 17 six employees needing that in one year are slim to none. And 18 my question is, wouldn't worker's comp cover that anyway? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Probably should, yeah. Whatever -- 20 whatever the prescribed medical treatment for -- 21 MS. WHITT: Correct. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: -- for an on-the-job incurred 23 injury, sure. 24 MS. WHITT: So, that $6,100 in there is really 25 not -- 6-25-12 bwk 41 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Needed. 2 MS. WHITT: -- not needed, because worker's comp 3 would cover that. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: If it's there for the -- if that 5 entry was made for the purpose of covering your own employee 6 immunizations, -- 7 MS. WHITT: Yes, that was the original, right. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: -- I think you're exactly -- you're 9 exactly right. 10 MS. WHITT: Okay. I would like to keep at least 11 $2,000 in there, though. I do currently have one employee 12 that has only been with us approximately a month, and she 13 still needs to have her pre-exposure vaccine, so 2,000 would 14 cover that. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, now, this budget begins in 16 October. 17 MS. WHITT: Correct. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Do we have enough -- are you going 19 to be doing that this year? 20 MS. WHITT: Depending, and I can't get into that 21 currently. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 23 MS. WHITT: Because of the HIPAA laws. That's 24 something I need to talk to Dawn about. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 6-25-12 bwk 42 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think what she said is we 2 need to keep 2,000 in there. 3 MS. WHITT: 2,000 in there. Just in the event that 4 I have an employee quit and have to hire someone else, I need 5 to have at least $2,000. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: For the pre-exposure -- 7 pre-exposure, correct? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We sure want that to happen. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What's in there right now? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 6,100. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 6,100, which is too much. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: You would accept a reduction, 14 wouldn't you, Commissioner Baldwin? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, I will, but my question 16 is -- is pertaining to the present budget. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Current budget has 6,100. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The budget we're in right 19 this very moment? 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, right now. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 61, yeah. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: 6,100. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Next year, they -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: 870 bucks expended to-date. 25 MS. HARGIS: She has enough money in there till 6-25-12 bwk 43 1 October 1st to do it if she needs to. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How much does she have in 3 there for up until October? 4 MS. HARGIS: She has -- she had a budget of 6,100; 5 she spent 871. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 53. 8 MS. WHITT: And the vaccines change in price just 9 about every month. They typically go over $1,500, but you 10 never know. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that the only issue you had? 12 MS. WHITT: Yes. And one other slight issue, and I 13 can probably do this without -- I can probably do this from 14 this year's budget. I was -- and the reason I hadn't 15 budgeted for it is because we have a freezer -- a commercial 16 size freezer, and I was under the impression from the 17 repairman that it would be able to be -- new seals would be 18 able to be put on it and stuff. I just found out this 19 morning that that's not the case, so I am going to have to 20 buy a new one. I can make this one work, you know, for 21 another three, four months, but I'm going to have to have 22 another freezer, and that's approximately $1,000. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: How much? 24 MS. WHITT: Approximately $1,000. 25 MS. HARGIS: I think you have enough money in that 6-25-12 bwk 44 1 immunization line to spend that. 2 MS. WHITT: Well, that was the question. Can I go 3 ahead and pull it out? 4 JUDGE TINLEY: We can probably go ahead and get 5 that done this year, and you're home free, then. 6 MS. WHITT: Okay. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 MS. HARGIS: Let's do it this year. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Do a budget amendment. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that the only other issue you 11 have? 12 MS. WHITT: Yes, sir. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 14 MS. WHITT: Oh, I'm sorry. The coyote bounty. Did 15 y'all see my notes on that? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, no, I didn't. Tell me. 17 MS. WHITT: The operating -- my operating expense. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Been having a lot of coyotes 19 brought in? 20 MS. WHITT: Yes. And we had discussed last year 21 creating a whole separate line item for that. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Where would I find that 23 right this very moment? 24 MS. HARGIS: I don't see a note on it. 25 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 6-25-12 bwk 45 1 MS. HARGIS: She's got 12 for $1,500. $63.67. 2 MS. WHITT: No, the 63.67 times 12 is for trash. 3 That's our dumpster that we have. That was not in this 4 year's budget, but I've made it work. I don't know if you 5 remember, Judge, me talking to you about it months ago. I 6 told you I could make it work, and we really needed that, so 7 I was able to do that. And then $1,500 additional for the 8 bounty. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that just in order to be able to 10 keep up with what gets paid out on bounty? 11 MS. WHITT: Yes. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: More than anything else? 13 MS. WHITT: Yes. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: We just transfer that out to another 15 line item? 16 MS. WHITT: Correct. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Do you see an issue with that, 18 Ms. Hargis? 19 MS. WHITT: I think that would be easier for me to 20 keep up with that way. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Sure. Well, and for purposes of 22 determining how that gets exercised, it helps us to know that 23 immediately without having to dig back through that 24 particular expense item. 25 MS. WHITT: Right. 6-25-12 bwk 46 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. County-sponsored, I'm not 2 sure what we can dig into there now. I did get requests from 3 Dietert at 4,500, which is in there. If you'll recall, by 4 making an allocation, they can leverage those funds with 5 Texas Department of Agriculture for Meals on Wheels. And, of 6 course, that's been beneficial to them. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there going to be -- what 8 about the bus service? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Public trans? 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: AACOG dues are going up. 11 MS. HARGIS: AACOG dues went up, because we have to 12 pay for the bus. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: For the bus transportation. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Are the -- is the transportation 15 included within the AACOG dues? 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It looks like here it is. Is 17 that correct? 18 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, we included it. We only had one 19 line, so -- 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 1,000 a month. 21 MS. HARGIS: -- 10,000 is for the transportation, 22 and 3,378 was dues. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a public trans 24 line. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, I do too. We got a public 6-25-12 bwk 47 1 trans line item up there that we utilized previously. 2 MS. HARGIS: Well, because it -- 3 JUDGE TINLEY: 420. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 5 MS. HARGIS: But that's -- if you'd like to name it 6 AACOG, 'cause we need to be sure that we -- 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Separate it. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, that's fine. 9 MS. HARGIS: We have to identify it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: I have never used that line since 11 I've been here. A number of years ago when they started that 12 service, we created that, and actually it started out as a 13 Dietert item, if I recall correctly. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure was. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 16 MS. HARGIS: Okay, we got it fixed. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, what did you put in 18 there? 19 MS. HARGIS: Ten, and then the dues will go down to 20 3,378. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: So we'd be doing about 833 a 22 month for them, correct? Okay. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: That'd be correct. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Any more items jump out at any 6-25-12 bwk 48 1 member of the Court? 2 MS. HARGIS: We don't have the KCAD new budget on 3 there, so that's -- yes, we do have it. We did get it. They 4 have gone up quite a bit. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, no, that's the same as their 6 current budget. I don't know that -- yeah, we have received 7 it. 8 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, it's -- I thought we did. It's 9 the same. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm thinking we did get what their 11 requirements were. 12 MS. BOLIN: I think their budget went up about 13 3 percent. 14 MS. HARGIS: Then I don't know. I don't have -- 15 MS. BOLIN: 3 to 5 percent. 16 MS. HARGIS: Then I don't have it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: R.C.& D. hangs in there 18 another year. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. Well -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why are we putting money back 21 in R.C.& D.? 22 MS. HARGIS: In where? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: R.C.& D. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I thought we'd taken it out 25 last year. 6-25-12 bwk 49 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Kind of zeroed it out last 2 year. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Is there a need for that to 5 come back? 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Not at this time. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It can stay at zero, and leave 8 it. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah, leave it on there, but 10 leave it at zero. 11 MS. HARGIS: I think we got a request from them. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Still leave it at zero. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Say no. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Hasn't been used in a long 15 time. 16 MS. MABRY: They requested it on June 5th. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: They show that -- I'm sorry? 18 MS. MABRY: We have a letter dated June 5th 19 requesting -- 20 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, they requested it, so we put it 21 in. So -- 22 JUDGE TINLEY: It shows as dues. 23 MS. MABRY: I'm sorry, that's CASA. I apologize. 24 I clicked on the wrong one. 25 MS. HARGIS: It's what? 6-25-12 bwk 50 1 MS. MABRY: I clicked on the wrong one. 2 MS. HARGIS: You put it on the wrong one? Okay. 3 MS. MABRY: I clicked on the wrong one. We do have 4 a letter from Alamo R.C.& D. per letter of 2-28-12. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Still leave it at zero. 7 MS. HARGIS: If I have a consensus -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I think the consensus is goose egg. 9 MS. HARGIS: Okay, got it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That used to be -- actually 12 used to be a functional department. I mean, they actually 13 did things. But that's -- you never hear of them. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Not for a long time. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Last thing I remember was 16 some dry hydrants years ago. They never did put any in, and 17 never were used, so -- 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything -- anything else 19 there, gentlemen? Okay, moving right along. 20 MR. GARCIA: Excuse me, Judge. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Pardon? 22 MR. GARCIA: Can we discuss -- excuse me, can we go 23 back to Environmental? Just -- I missed something on there. 24 If you would, please. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tell him no and see what 6-25-12 bwk 51 1 happens. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm just wondering if he just now 3 woke up. (Laughter.) 4 MR. GARCIA: I was distracted by the County 5 Attorney. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. 7 MR. GARCIA: He told me they cut the department in 8 half, and I was still stuck on that. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that your request? We can handle 10 that without going back to it. 11 MR. HENNEKE: If you come late, bad things happen. 12 MR. GARCIA: No. I just wanted to point out on my 13 -- the conferences, it went down to 3,000, and I have -- for 14 the total of five of us for CEU's, it had been working out 15 very well with the 4,000. And, again, each one of us in 16 there, the two D.R.'s and the officers and myself, we all 17 have CEU's, so we -- I asked -- I had just recently got an 18 amendment to put some money in there so I could get some 19 continuing education finished up for some of the guys and 20 myself. So, I'm requesting that that remain the same at 21 4,000 for the conferences. 22 MS. HARGIS: I had already fixed it. 23 MR. GARCIA: Oh, did you take care of that? I'm 24 sorry, I just -- I was looking at that. 25 MS. HARGIS: I was going to tell you later. 6-25-12 bwk 52 1 MR. GARCIA: Sorry. 2 MS. HARGIS: That's all right. 3 MR. GARCIA: Again, it was the County Attorney's 4 fault that I wasn't paying attention on that. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Plus you just woke up, right? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Tell the County Attorney that 7 it works both ways. We can cut his department in half, and 8 we don't have to revisit his budget either. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: How about Agricultural Extension 10 Service? 11 MR. WALSTON: No new positions. I haven't seen the 12 budget, so I can take a look at it real quick. Can't see it 13 from that far, though. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: We should be getting a thank you 15 letter from you every week, Roy. 16 MR. WALSTON: For what? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: For what? (Laughter.) 18 MR. WALSTON: I was waiting for yours. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: All this dough. 20 MR. WALSTON: All the what? 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Money. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: "Dough" to him is something 23 different. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, right. Goats. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Dozy doats and liddle lamzy 6-25-12 bwk 53 1 divey. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Gave him everything he wanted, 3 didn't you? 4 JUDGE TINLEY: They mainly want more travel money. 5 They like to run around the countryside, look at new animals. 6 MR. WALSTON: That's -- if you can tell me what's 7 going to happen on fuel. If it's going to keep going down, 8 we'll be all right. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it's going to go down from 10 what we budgeted for during this current budget year. 11 MR. WALSTON: 'Cause I've got it same as it was 12 last year. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: That ought to be more than enough. 14 MR. WALSTON: Well, I'm already out. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Well -- 16 MR. WALSTON: We're not through yet, so -- 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Going to New Braunfels 18 tomorrow? 19 MR. WALSTON: But basically, that's what I was 20 asking, is that increase. Yeah, the fuel is up. The stock 21 show travel was the part that, you know, we're -- that's 22 getting spread further and further every year. So -- but the 23 fuel is basically where we were needing some help. But I 24 think everything else -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: What does it show your on fuel for 6-25-12 bwk 54 1 next year right now? 2 MR. WALSTON: 5,500. We were at 5,000 last year, I 3 believe, so 6,000, 6,500. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You went up 500. 6,000? 6 MR. WALSTON: Yeah, that's -- that's fine. And 7 then as far as any grade increases, you're going to cover 8 that later? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 10 MR. WALSTON: Step increases. 11 MS. HARGIS: Here, you've got your budget. I can't 12 change it; you've got it. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: We'll do that -- we'll catch you on 14 a day that you're not here, Roy. 15 MR. WALSTON: That's highly possible. 16 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 17 MS. HARGIS: Only thing we took out is the capital 18 outlay. 19 MR. WALSTON: Yes, the capital outlay. That's for 20 the laptop -- for purchasing of the laptop computer. 21 MS. HARGIS: It's under -- 22 MR. WALSTON: It's through cost-share with A & M, 23 and we use that $1,000 to purchase a laptop. And I talked to 24 I.T. about getting a laptop through them, and I guess we 25 don't have laptops. You have desktops, no laptops. 6-25-12 bwk 55 1 MR. TROLINGER: No, I said yes. 2 MR. WALSTON: Oh, you did? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Sure. 4 MR. WALSTON: Okay. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: We don't pay $1,000 for half a 6 laptop. We make a better deal than that, I would hope, John. 7 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, sir. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 9 MR. WALSTON: Okay. As long as we can get a 10 laptop, that's -- that's fine. That's what I was looking 11 for. Okey-doke. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything out at the barn, 13 Tim? 14 MR. BOLLIER: Um -- 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Outside of your employee 16 consideration? 17 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, not that I know of. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Of course, a lot of those costs, 19 we're not -- it's a roll of the dice going into next year 20 with the new structure going up. 21 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Hopefully there won't be a lot of 23 maintenance costs, but there may be some minor acquisition 24 costs. 25 MR. BOLLIER: The only thing -- but I think we 6-25-12 bwk 56 1 covered that underneath that -- 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't know that we covered 3 anything. 4 MR. BOLLIER: Under the capital. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There is one thing that we 6 may -- that I feel like that we're going to need for that 7 facility. That's going to be one of those wheels that you 8 clean with, that you actually ride. There is no way -- 9 MR. BOLLIER: I've got that. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You got it? 11 MS. HARGIS: He's got that in the capital. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I didn't think it was in 13 there. Okay. 14 MR. BOLLIER: We've got that in the capital. In 15 the capital, yes, sir. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: We -- we kicked out some of his 17 other stuff, but he kept that. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. That was -- I just 19 couldn't remember if we did that, but that is a -- 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Things he's got to have, he included 21 that. 22 MR. BOLLIER: I just kind of held off on it to see. 23 I haven't really done anything with that. I'm not -- last 24 count I had, it was like 15,000 for the refurbished one, and 25 that's where I was with that. 6-25-12 bwk 57 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 3 MR. BOLLIER: Far as I know, that's basically all I 4 need out there. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Health insurance, we're going 6 to cover that as a separate issue. Hopefully we'll be able 7 to deal with health insurance -- health benefits program next 8 workshop, will we not, Ms. Dawn Lantz? 9 MS. HARGIS: Dawn? 10 MS. LANTZ: I'm sorry. Yes, sir? 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Health benefits and insurance 12 programs, we should have that available to us at our next 13 workshop? 14 MS. LANTZ: Yes, it should be actually beginning 15 sometime this week for our medical. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. If you wouldn't mind touching 17 base with those folks and -- 18 MS. LANTZ: I did this morning. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Pardon? 20 MS. LANTZ: I did this morning, and that was my 21 response, 'cause I knew this would be coming up. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Y'all want to talk about fire 23 protection? Let's move along. Road and Bridge. 24 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. 25 MS. HARGIS: Judge, did you skip 513 -- Department 6-25-12 bwk 58 1 513? 2 MR. BOLLIER: Parks. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's later, isn't it? 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Haven't got there yet. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: What fund is that under? That's not 6 under 10, is it? 7 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. It's right after the jail. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: It's not in the order that came off 9 of here. 10 MS. HARGIS: 512, 513. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, we'll get there eventually. 12 Maybe. Mr. Odom? 13 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything you want to talk to us 15 about on what you submitted? 16 MR. ODOM: No, sir. No increase in personnel, and 17 basically I'm running about the same budget as -- I think I'm 18 2 percent over '08-'09, and 1 percent under '10 or '11. 19 We're going full blast back to sealcoat, and that's getting 20 expensive. So -- 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you've generated some pretty 22 good revenue here of late with those extra projects, haven't 23 you? 24 MR. ODOM: I think we've saved the County at least 25 200,000. 6-25-12 bwk 59 1 JUDGE TINLEY: I believe -- I believe you've done 2 that, and I appreciate it. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Very much so. 4 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Make sure you save some 6 sealcoat for Hermann Sons. 7 MR. ODOM: Oh, yes. But we'll -- that's -- we'll 8 eventually get on that other side. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All four lanes this year? 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Striping and everything. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Ms. Auditor, on my computer, 12 512 is the County Jail, Fund 10. 13 MS. HARGIS: 513. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's general maintenance. 15 MS. HARGIS: That's right. That's park 16 maintenance. 17 MR. BOLLIER: That's park maintenance. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So your parks are in 513? 19 MR. BOLLIER: That's parks. 20 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, that's general park. 21 MR. BOLLIER: We put all general maintenance under 22 510, building maintenance. 23 MS. HARGIS: Building is under 510; jail, 511, and 24 then everything else falls under there, including the parks. 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What page? 6-25-12 bwk 60 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Page 54. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm still showing jail maintenance, 3 too. I'm showing 511, jail maintenance. 4 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, maybe we'll find it here 6 somewhere. 7 MS. HARGIS: You'll find out later. Secret. Love 8 secrets. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Actually, I'm at capital projects 10 now. 11 MS. HARGIS: The capital projects went away. We're 12 -- here, Tim. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Robbin, did Linda say anything to 14 you about the library? Any changes there? 15 MS. BURLEW: No, sir, no changes there. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No new staff? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Then we have the public library. 18 Anybody want to talk about that? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Nice place. No books, 20 but... 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Watch it. 22 MS. HARGIS: We're good. 513 is good. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait a minute. I want to 24 see it. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 6-25-12 bwk 61 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Where is it located at? 2 MS. HARGIS: Have y'all found it? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why don't you just tell us? 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Tell us what page number; 5 we'll go there. 6 MS. MABRY: It's on page -- 7 MS. HARGIS: Should be on Page 54 on mine. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 54 on mine. Okay, that's 9 two pages back. General maintenance. 10 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the parks? 12 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Tim, we have a new 14 fire station, and we have Upper Turtle Creek. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: New fire station should be under 17 capital. 18 MR. BOLLIER: Where should that be? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, maintenance -- the 20 cleaning and mowing and all that kind of thing. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right, thank you. 23 You're happy with it? 24 MR. BOLLIER: I'm thinking now. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, you're thinking now? 6-25-12 bwk 62 1 MR. BOLLIER: Stop, I'm thinking now. I don't -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not that much. 3 MR. BOLLIER: No. Shouldn't be anything extra 4 there, I wouldn't think. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. I just want to remind 6 you that we have -- you have -- you take care of a lot of 7 facilities. 8 MR. BOLLIER: I mean, the only thing that I had in 9 there that I took out was something that y'all threw out in 10 the capital -- well, Jeannie took it out -- that you took out 11 in capital. But when I got my new tractor -- when we got our 12 new tractor and our cutter, we're rocking there, so I just 13 don't see anything else that needs to be there. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are we finished with him? 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm still on public library. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm so pleased. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Page 102. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 102? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What are we going to do there? 22 Are we going to -- I mean, do we want to go back to the 23 Cailloux Foundation and talk about rewriting that agreement? 24 Do we want to tell them they should work with the City 25 directly, in our opinion? That's where the funding... Do we 6-25-12 bwk 63 1 want to -- what do we want to do about the 200,000 that was a 2 pass-through last year? Want to talk about it later? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Happy hour. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Their original commitment was 5 what, three years? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It was three years, but the -- 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The language in it -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the language was not 9 appropriate, in our minds, and they didn't want to change it. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: We have not revisited with 11 them about that -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: -- right now at this time? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: We committed to -- finally committed 16 to the language that they declined to change, because we were 17 so far down the road that we really couldn't -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: -- couldn't go any other direction. 20 We're not that far down the road now for this coming year, 21 and I -- I'm not satisfied with the conditions that were 22 attached to it. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, is there a desire for me to 24 try to get new language? Do you want to try to get new 25 language? Do you want to -- I mean, I really -- I don't 6-25-12 bwk 64 1 understand why we need to be in the picture, personally. The 2 money was to go for the library, and in my mind, the Cailloux 3 Foundation should give the money to the City. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the preferred method. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And there was, I guess, a 6 reason they had last year because of some of the -- the 7 contracts with the City that we don't need to go through 8 again. But since that is pretty much behind us, it seems it 9 would be -- the preferred route, as you just said, would be 10 for them to deal straight with the City of Kerrville. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: You were the point of contact with 12 Cailloux last year? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: You know, the simplest -- in my 15 estimation, the simplest way to handle it would be for them 16 to deal directly with and make any contribution directly with 17 the City. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll contact the foundation and 19 relay that to them. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I don't know whether that's 21 everybody else's -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll put it on the next agenda 24 if we want to talk about it. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll take it out another 6-25-12 bwk 65 1 step or two, but I just -- I never have been able to 2 understand why we're funding it at all. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The library? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The library. Yeah, the 5 library, the public library that the City owns. We don't own 6 a brick, a joint, or anything else over there. And I still 7 think -- and I have crowed about this enough out in public 8 that I understood that -- that they were actually taking a 9 look at possibly going the route now, if you want to charge 10 folks from -- you know, we pay for people from Pennsylvania 11 to use that thing. But if they want to charge county 12 residents, then they need to charge them a $20-a-year fee or 13 something to that effect, as opposed to us sending $200,000 14 over there. That just doesn't -- I can't get my brain to 15 work that way. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm with you. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What was their budget this 18 past year? Did they -- I mean, last I had it was -- was it 19 under -- I know it was a lot. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 700? 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I mean, I -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It was actually 650. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 650,000, 700,000. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I know it was over 700 a 25 couple years ago. 6-25-12 bwk 66 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: As soon as we stopped 2 contributing almost half of what they requested every year, 3 their budget went down significantly. 4 MS. HARGIS: Yes. It was a million dollars. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It was a million. Then we were 6 doing 300,000. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What year was that when it 8 was a million? 9 MS. HARGIS: It was a million in 2007 when I left 10 there. It was a million for '08 and '09. It was then, when 11 we stopped giving them the full 400,000, it started going 12 down. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 650, something like that. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I remember 650 or 635, 15 something like that last year. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Wow. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But you do it that way. 18 And, boy, I appreciate Mr. Cailloux. What a wonderful 19 thought and et cetera. But, you know, if they want to -- if 20 they want to contribute to the library, contribute to the 21 library. I never have understood why we were in the middle 22 of that little thing anyway, but -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we have time this year 24 to -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 6-25-12 bwk 67 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- advise the parties. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And we were very appreciative 3 of those funds last year going to the library. That was -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: We appreciate that 6 contribution. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If I don't hear anything else, 8 I guess I'll make some communication with them. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Any other trouble you want 11 to stir up? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Give me a few minutes. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's try and cut this short here in 15 just a minute. Any other department that we haven't -- 16 MS. HARGIS: I think Diane wants to talk again. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Diane? 18 MS. BOLIN: Please. Now that my headache is gone, 19 I can think. In 402, you lowered the -- let's see which line 20 item. 210, which is the ballot expense. We have a November 21 election coming up, which is a guber -- I'm sorry, a 22 presidential election, as well as our ESD will probably be on 23 it. And -- 24 MS. HARGIS: I thought you ordered those in 25 September. 6-25-12 bwk 68 1 MS. BOLIN: No, we order them in October. They 2 come out of next year's budget; all of the election stuff 3 does for the November elections. And you dropped it in half, 4 and I don't think we need to go half. We can go for 25 and 5 see if that would work. 6 MS. HARGIS: Well, then, what do you have left this 7 year? 8 MS. BOLIN: This is requested. This is what we're 9 looking at, ballot expense. 10 MS. HARGIS: Okay. You have 15,000 in the budget. 11 We spent 8,147, so couldn't you use some of that in 12 September? 13 MS. BOLIN: If we get the ballots approved by the 14 Secretary of State early enough, then we could. But it 15 depends on when they approve the ballot type and what's on it 16 before we can order, and generally that comes out of my first 17 week in October. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: So, you're suggesting what needs to 19 be the appropriate amount in there? 20 MS. BOLIN: Let's try 25. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Four years ago, it ended up being 22 22,7. 23 MS. BOLIN: Yeah, and I think we're in for about 24 the same size turnout that we had four years ago. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. It seems 25 is the 6-25-12 bwk 69 1 appropriate amount, then. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: While we're on elections, I 3 don't know if it goes into your budget or where it would go, 4 but we have got to figure out a way to get Cypress Creek 5 Community Center open again. 6 MS. BOLIN: That's correct. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For voting. It is just not 9 right having people drive all the way into Kerrville. The 10 biggest problem, as I understand it, is a septic issue out 11 there. 12 MS. BOLIN: Yes, there's no restroom. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where would we put into our 14 budget helping that community center upgrade their septic 15 system? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Nuisance abatement. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What did he say? 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Nuisance abatement. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well -- 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Coming at you right away, 21 Ray. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, it's a nuisance that 23 needs to be abated. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There is no system. Or I guess 25 there's a system; I guess it's an old outhouse. 6-25-12 bwk 70 1 MS. BOLIN: There is an old outhouse out there. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Maybe you can get a grant 3 from the colonia thing that's already -- it's in existence; 4 you just have to apply for it. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, I'll get with Ray about 6 that. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's a possibility. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll get with Ray. It's 9 something that needs to be done. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Take a shot at it. 11 MS. BOLIN: And then, let's see. The office 12 supplies you lowered, which is okay, and elections supplies I 13 think will be okay. On my 499, nothing changed, but it just 14 went over my head when y'all were talking about employees, 15 because my head was this big. But I requested two because of 16 the amount of business that we do here downtown. I sat at 17 the counter from the 1st of October until I got my pacemaker 18 put in, and the doctor told me no more 60-plus-hour weeks, 19 that I've got to cut it back. My employees are already doing 20 what I was doing when Paula was in the office, where we would 21 work and then we'd try and take comp time off. I've just 22 decided I've got to pay them, because I had someone with 96 23 hours comp time. I've got to have some relief. My ladies 24 are getting burned out. They're struggling to figure out 25 when they can take vacation, because on the motor vehicle 6-25-12 bwk 71 1 side, that leaves two people at the counter. When you go to 2 lunch, if somebody's sick, we got nobody. And we did have 3 that situation this year where we had no people on the motor 4 vehicle side. I pulled all of my other people from their 5 departments to be able to work because of illness and other 6 scheduled things that were going on. And I don't know if 7 y'all got the e-mail that I sent to the Auditor, but that's 8 what I was kind of geared toward whenever we were kind of 9 talking about it earlier. But I sent it, an in-depth, 10 detailed e-mail, and if y'all didn't get a copy, I will be 11 glad to send it to you so that you have more explanation. 12 But I feel like we really need a couple people in both 13 departments. We did lose -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have to agree with her. 15 They do -- they do stay extremely busy down there all the 16 time. That's one of my hangouts, but don't tell anybody. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you're volunteering to step 18 in? 19 MS. BOLIN: We tried. He just won't go for it. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I help a lot down there. 21 MS. BOLIN: No. But I know that Commissioner Letz 22 made the comment, when I talked to him briefly about it, that 23 we lost the City of Kerrville. Yeah, we lost the City of 24 Kerrville collections, but we lost no parcels. All we lost 25 was an entity. We still collect for over 40,000 parcels in 6-25-12 bwk 72 1 the taxes, and the girls stay snowed under. Just because 2 there's not a body in front of us does not mean we have 3 nothing to do. We stay behind generally. I've had part-time 4 people come in that have helped us with our filing and that, 5 and to go through and resend out tax statements that's 6 required for us to do by law, and I've wiped out my part-time 7 budget already. So, I really -- I really, really need those 8 two people. So, that's my story and I'm sticking to it. If 9 y'all have any questions, just let me know. And if you 10 didn't get the e-mail, I will send it to you. You just have 11 to tell me. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I got it. 13 MS. BOLIN: Okay. But that's all I have at the 14 moment. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you talking about the -- 16 a person in the tax and one in motor vehicle? 17 (Ms. Bolin nodded.) 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's exactly the same two 19 that you talked about earlier. 20 MS. BOLIN: Well, I didn't actually talk, I just 21 said one in each. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Your head was this big 23 around at that time? 24 MS. BOLIN: My head was that big, yes. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If you get a headache, you 6-25-12 bwk 73 1 get to say it twice. That's the deal. That's what going on 2 here. 3 MS. BOLIN: I explained it this time. All I did 4 was say property taxes and motor vehicle before. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 6 MS. BOLIN: Any questions? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Kevin, I don't believe I recall 8 seeing a budget; at least I didn't go through it here. 9 MR. STANTON: I don't think we made it that far -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Detention facility. 11 MR. STANTON: -- down the list. The only request 12 that I have is that I've been there for about five or six 13 years now, and I've never increased the salary of our 14 part-time employees; they're still being paid at $8 an hour. 15 And what I'm asking is that if there's some way that we can 16 reduce our line item in 112 down by about $2,000, and put 17 that into 108 into the part-time line item, and add an 18 additional $1,000 to the part-time line item, where I can 19 increase that salary from $8 an hour up to about $9 an hour. 20 MS. HARGIS: You lost me. 21 MR. STANTON: I just want to move some of the money 22 out of the overtime budget and put it into the part-time 23 budget. I want to move $2,000 out of overtime budget, put it 24 in part-time, and then I want to increase the part-time 25 budget by another $1,000. 6-25-12 bwk 74 1 JUDGE TINLEY: You mean net an increase of $1,000. 2 MR. STANTON: Yes, sir. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: For part-time. 4 MR. STANTON: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that enough? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: He figures that stuff to the penny 7 out there. He knows what it's going to cost him to do 8 everything. 9 MR. STANTON: Well, it would be an increase of 10 $3,750 to increase it by one dollar. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. You're going to have to 12 figure some roll-ups, too. Get with the Auditor on that one, 13 Kevin, because there's going to be some roll-ups. 14 MR. STANTON: Okay. 15 MS. HARGIS: We'll just add it. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Huh? 17 MS. HARGIS: We'll just add it together and 18 multiply. Not a big deal; I got it. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 MR. STANTON: It would only increase the roll-ups 21 by $1,000, because the other roll-ups are already in there. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, she can figure it. But you're 23 using a lot of part-time people out there, aren't you? 24 MR. STANTON: Well, yes, sir, we are, because it's 25 -- it's cheaper to pay part-timers and let people take off 6-25-12 bwk 75 1 than it is to pay the regular salary people their comp time. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you working 12-hour shifts out 3 there? 4 MR. STANTON: Yes, sir. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That's -- that's why you're 6 using so many part-timers. Yeah, okay. But bottom line is, 7 that's saving a lot of money. 8 MR. STANTON: A lot of money, yes, sir. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 10 MS. HARGIS: Okay. We didn't do Fund 29. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: What's Fund 29? 12 MS. HARGIS: 29 is the bailiffs, courthouse 13 security. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the one where we've talked 15 about they want one additional person. 16 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: We're mindful of that request. 18 MS. HARGIS: And I think the maintenance went up a 19 little bit on the -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What page? Help us get 21 there, please. 22 MS. HARGIS: The page is 129. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 129. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 129. 25 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 6-25-12 bwk 76 1 MS. HARGIS: Because the salary for the new bailiff 2 is less than the other -- less than Chuck's was. That's why 3 it went down. 4 MR. BARTON: Okay. 5 MS. HARGIS: It's basically the same except for the 6 contract on the maintenance, and it went up. We did get a 7 letter from that -- to that effect, the 29 from the 26. 8 That's the only increase that they had, but that has to go in 9 there. That's the maintenance of the courthouse security 10 system itself. It goes into that budget. There's a little 11 bit of money that comes in through the J.P.'s and through the 12 court system, but it's not -- doesn't cover it. It covers 13 part of it. That's one of the funds we've had to put money 14 into to keep kind of ahead of the game. 15 (Cell phone rang in audience.) 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's as bad as Looney 17 Tunes. 18 MS. HARGIS: It's a cat. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Bad kitty. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is this -- is this the 21 budget with the -- with the two courthouse security people in 22 it? 23 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir, it is. And it actually, 24 salary-wise, went down, because we do have a new bailiff that 25 took Chuck's place, and he has less tenure, so therefore his 6-25-12 bwk 77 1 salary's a little bit less. 2 MR. BARTON: He also has less certification. 3 MS. HARGIS: And he has less certificates. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I can see having a -- 5 having somebody that, if they have a really high-profile case 6 over here with some really bad folks, I can see a deputy 7 coming over, you know, operating that thing, that scanner 8 during that time. But I can't -- I can't go year-round, 9 every day the courthouse is open. That would be the most 10 boring job in the world. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Now, I think the Sheriff does 13 have -- 14 MS. HARGIS: Chuck and Charlie stay here all day -- 15 I mean, not Chuck, but -- 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Clay, on those -- on that body 17 armor, you're required to rotate those out every -- 18 MR. BARTON: Five years. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Every five years, so you end up with 20 an excess of those, right? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He wants you to donate them to 22 the judge. 23 MR. BARTON: Oh. Well, giving somebody an expired 24 vest may not -- 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: May not meet the warranty, 6-25-12 bwk 78 1 huh? 2 MR. BARTON: -- meet the liability issue. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You wouldn't be giving him an 4 expired vest, would you? (Laughter.) 5 JUDGE TINLEY: I wasn't suggesting that at all. I 6 was concerned -- you know, their equipment line item -- I 7 couldn't remember if that -- if that were at that time of 8 year, or if that's kind of a revolving thing where you do it 9 a little bit each year. 10 MR. BARTON: On our vests? 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 12 MR. BARTON: We try and do a little bit every year, 13 except that about five or six years ago they had a recall on 14 all the panels, and so we used the -- the bulletproof vest 15 grant, which the federal government pays for half -- 16 reimburses for half of them. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 18 MR. BARTON: But it kind of put us into a situation 19 where, since all of them had to be recalled, it put all of 20 them kind of coming due at the same time. So, we've replaced 21 as many as we could during this current year. We have some 22 more to replace in the next year or two. It's a three-year 23 grant. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: And you've got -- you've got it 25 covered within your equipment requirements or through capital 6-25-12 bwk 79 1 expenditure where that was -- 2 MR. BARTON: It's through our equipment. 3 Equipment. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. So you -- 5 MR. BARTON: I'm not sure how many he asked for, 6 Judge, but we did some this year, and he's -- he knew we had 7 some more next year, and then the following year. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I remembered there was an 9 issue on that. 10 MR. BARTON: The biggest part was they all came due 11 at once because of a recall. They recalled all the vest 12 panels and had to reissue all the panels, I want to say about 13 five years ago, and so it made all of these starting to come 14 due at the same time. So, we've been -- currently, I have 15 one that's expired, but it's all right. I'll wait till next 16 year. We got all of the patrol guys, the frontline team 17 people, we've got them new vests. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. Is that it for today, 19 gentlemen? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Quick question. I found parks 21 and I lost it. 22 MS. HARGIS: 31. It should be right behind 21. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: There it is. 24 MS. HARGIS: There it is. We put 5,000 in there 25 every year, at least I do. We actually put a little bit more 6-25-12 bwk 80 1 this year. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Page 133. 3 MS. HARGIS: Because of Flat Rock and Ingram and 4 we've added the Center Point Park. Five each, and then -- 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Why is there $5,000 in there 6 for Flat Rock and Lion's and Ingram Park, each? 7 MS. HARGIS: We always put -- because we -- we have 8 port-a-potties, and we have any -- that just leaves y'all 9 extra expense -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: My port-a-potties for three 11 months is $75 dollars a month. 12 MS. HARGIS: We've been doing it -- I know we've 13 been doing it every year. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We rebuilt the boat dock; 15 Road and Bridge did it. We got the material donated, so 16 there's nothing out there that we need to spend for Ingram 17 Lake Park that I know of. 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Flat Rock, same thing. 19 MS. HARGIS: It just kind of covers us. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: You've broken it out like 21 this every year? 22 MS. HARGIS: Every year. That way we're covered. 23 It's just a -- I mean, we have the money in cash. It's not 24 like we're expending it. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is dedicated funds, huh? 6-25-12 bwk 81 1 MS. HARGIS: Uh-huh. Yes, it is. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Commissioner Oehler, just to 3 let you know, a lot of the stuff that we've done in Lion's 4 Park has been donated this year. I'll just remind everybody, 5 a lot of it's been donated. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I see what your expense 7 is; it's $1,866 -- 56 up to now, according to this 8 year-to-date. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 10 MS. HARGIS: I think the port-a-potty contract came 11 in under one. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And the total after the 13 summer will be another 225. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the -- well, if it's 15 dedicated funds, it doesn't make much difference. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: The other one that we didn't address 18 was the Indigent Health care. 19 MS. HARGIS: Yes. Yours. 20 MS. LAVENDER: Indigent Health? 21 MS. HARGIS: It's in 10. This is -- you mean 22 indigent services? Fund 50? Or -- you went through the 23 other one. The health is in Fund 10. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: What page are you on there? 25 MS. HARGIS: Page 174. This is a grant. 6-25-12 bwk 82 1 MS. LAVENDER: No, this is indigent health. 2 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, this is Fund 50. 3 MS. LAVENDER: You'll notice that we've really held 4 the costs down this year. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. 6 MS. LAVENDER: If you'll look at the difference of 7 the year -- the first year after we took the program over, we 8 spent a little over half a million dollars, and this year so 9 far, we've spent just a little over 70,000. So, we've seen 10 some definite cost controls in this program. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Absolutely wonderful. 12 MS. LAVENDER: The people that are on the program 13 are those people that actually qualify. And -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What an interesting concept. 15 (Laughter.) 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. Different than what it 17 once was. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, no kidding. 19 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, it was a million dollars when I 20 got here. 21 MS. LAVENDER: And on the indigent defense, I think 22 I told you last meeting, we've -- I haven't seen any figures. 23 I was going to look a while ago, but my eyesight's so bad, I 24 couldn't read the little numbers. But I think -- 25 MS. HARGIS: What we've had is a switch. 216th is 6-25-12 bwk 83 1 not spending as much, but 198th is up. But the 198th ended 2 up with more of the high-profile cases, so I think that's one 3 of the reasons why. I mean, it just depends on what -- what 4 the draw is, since they're 50/50 on trials now. 5 MS. LAVENDER: That's right. 6 MS. HARGIS: But the 198th was actually taking from 7 the 216th, so they're about -- and the court reporter line 8 items are another area that -- because we're having more 9 transcripts requested, because we've had more of those type 10 of trials. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I recall in that last -- that 12 last case, that was -- may not be the last case tried, but 13 that murder case, in one sitting here, we approved over 14 $30,000 worth of expenses related to that case. Just one -- 15 one set of bills. 16 MS. LAVENDER: And we've actually closed out two of 17 those big murder cases recently, and so that's going to help. 18 We got a plea on one last week, and then one -- I don't know, 19 a couple months ago. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 21 MS. LAVENDER: So -- 22 MS. HARGIS: So they'll be coming to an end, but 23 that's one of the reasons it's a little bit higher this year, 24 is the type of cases that we've had. 25 MS. LAVENDER: But we are, again, screening those 6-25-12 bwk 84 1 people pretty carefully and appointing attorneys to those 2 that are really qualified. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: And you're making some headway. 4 MS. LAVENDER: We are making headway, or at least 5 cost containment at this point. 6 MS. HARGIS: Again, that was probably a half 7 million in each court. Now we're down to about $250,000 in 8 each court, so we're coming down. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's real good. 10 MS. LAVENDER: And other than that, in the indigent 11 health, I think we probably, just to protect ourselves, need 12 to leave a budget significant to cover projections for next 13 year. I wouldn't have a problem, I don't think Mary Lou 14 would either, if you wanted to take a little bit more out of 15 it, or take some out of it. If we get down to a point that 16 we need to -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. We're going to have 18 another workshop hopefully on the health benefits; that will 19 be the one right after the first of next month. 20 MR. BARTON: Judge, could I ask to look at 564? 21 MS. HARGIS: 564? 22 MR. BARTON: The annex. I just hadn't seen 23 anything on it. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: What in particular do you question? 25 MR. BARTON: We pay the utilities out of that -- 6-25-12 bwk 85 1 that -- 2 MS. HARGIS: Rusty put those in. 3 MS. MABRY: Page 64. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What's the problem there? 5 MR. BARTON: That's fine. Thank you. 6 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, we asked them to -- we asked the 7 Sheriff if he would monitor those for us, and that's the 8 reason why it goes through his office. 'Cause we didn't have 9 -- since we had more than one entity in the other building. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Could you try your question 11 one more time about the next budget workshop? 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Health benefits and insurance 13 is what I plan to focus on. That's the reason I made the 14 inquiry earlier that we have that at the first of the month, 15 and that's going to be the focus then. 16 MS. HARGIS: So, that'll be July the 10th? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that when it is, guys? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The 9th. 19 MR. BOLLIER: Jody will e-mail you. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 2nd is the first Monday of 21 the month. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 23 MS. HARGIS: I think we actually set it for the 24 10th, as I recall, is what we did. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 6-25-12 bwk 86 1 MS. HARGIS: Which was a Tuesday. We could do it 2 that afternoon; doesn't matter to me. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Tuesday at 10:00 on the 10th. 4 MS. LANTZ: 10:00 in the morning? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Y'all will be ready to roll on that, 6 right? She said she will be. 7 MR. BARTON: 10 o'clock? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: 10 o'clock, yes, sir. 9 MS. HARGIS: So we're not going to do the one on 10 the 30th, right? June 30th? 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's health benefits and 12 what? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We got one Monday for opening 14 bids. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. We've added a couple of 16 agenda items there. 17 MS. HARGIS: We need to put that escrow during 18 that. Tom should be sending you another item on the escrow 19 agreement. We have to sign an escrow agreement on the grant 20 itself. It's a little different. They gave us the money, 21 but it goes in an escrow account, so that's -- it was 22 something that we didn't -- Tom didn't know about to get us 23 the order, so he didn't feel like he would comfortable in you 24 passing that since it wasn't on the agenda, so we need to add 25 it to the Monday agenda. 6-25-12 bwk 87 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 2 MS. GRINSTEAD: On the July 2nd agenda? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, we can add that to the July 4 2nd agenda. 5 MS. HARGIS: Right. That's when we have the -- 6 okay. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's the bid opening. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Bid opening for the bids on the -- 9 on the show barn. 10 MS. HARGIS: Yeah. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: We've already added a couple other 12 items, so -- 13 MS. HARGIS: This is just a matter of approving. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: If we've got more items to get on, 15 we need to get them on there. We're getting that agenda 16 prepared now, so let us know. Okay. Is that it for now, 17 gentlemen? We're adjourned. 18 (Budget workshop adjourned at 3:17 p.m.) 19 - - - - - - - - - - 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-25-12 bwk 88 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 29th day of June, 2012. 8 9 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-25-12 bwk