1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Regular Session 10 Monday, August 13, 2012 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X August 13, 2012 2 PAGE 3 --- Visitors' Input 6 --- Commissioners' Comments 7 4 1.1 Public Hearing on petition for creation of 5 Kerr County E.S.D. #3 15 6 1.2 Public Hearing regarding revision of plat for Cave Springs Addition, Section Five, Phase One, 7 Lots 9, 10, & 11 of Block C, Precinct 4 17 8 1.3 Presentation regarding PRCA Rodeo held at the Hill County Youth Exhibit Center on July 27-28 18 9 1.28 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 10 designate a group or committee to develop a proposed level of service requirements for 11 emergency medical services outside city limits of Kerrville and cost analysis & estimates of 12 providing such level(s) of service 28 13 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding new parking lot cost and approval 14 for construction at Kerrville/Kerr County Airport 35 15 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 16 regarding installing a solid waste interceptor at 4-H Livestock Center 45 17 1.17 Consider/discuss, approve the appointment of 18 election judges and alternates for term of one year in accordance with Texas Election Code 55 19 1.18 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 20 approve Central Counting Station personnel pursuant to Chapter 27, Texas Election Code 56 21 1.19 Consider/discuss approving polling locations in 22 accordance with Chapter 43, Texas Election Code 57 23 1.20 Consider/discuss ordering the general election 60 24 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on implementation of the burn ban 61 25 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) August 13, 2012 2 PAGE 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 3 engage Peter Lewis to do preliminary layout and/or floor plan for unfinished portion of Kerr 4 County Sheriff's Office Annex for prospective use as 198th District Attorney’s Office; prepare 5 cost estimate of finish-out of office premises 61 6 1.7 Discuss and approve homeowners for OSSF assistance as part of County's 710065 OSSF grant 66 7 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 8 authorize County Auditor to do audits for E.S.D. 1 and E.S.D. 2 67 9 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 10 approve Memorandum of Understanding between GBRA, UGRA, Kendall County, Kerr County Commissioners 11 Court, Kendall County WCID #1, Headwaters GCD, and Cow Creek GCD to work together to prepare water 12 study for regional water supply for eastern Kerr and western Kendall Counties 68 13 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to set 14 public hearing on proposed Kerr County budget for FY 2012-13 at 10 a.m. on August 27, 2012 70 15 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 16 discuss proposed tax rate; if proposed tax rate will exceed the rollback rate or the effective tax 17 rate (whichever is lower), take record vote and schedule public hearing(s) 72 18 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 19 authorize publication notice of consideration and adoption of proposed 2012 Kerr County tax 20 rates on August 27, 2012, at 10:30 a.m. 73 21 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize publication notice of proposed salary 22 increases, expenses & allowances for elected county and precinct officials of Kerr County for 23 FY 2012-13 75 24 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize publication notice of public hearing on 25 consideration and adoption of Kerr County budget for FY 2012-13 on August 27, 2012, at 10 a.m. 78 4 1 I N D E X (Continued) August 13, 2012 2 PAGE 1.16 Consider/take action to renew child support 3 state case registry/local customer service contract with Office of the Attorney General 80 4 1.21 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 5 summary of current property values and ad valorem taxes 82 6 1.22 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 7 resolution to Upper Guadalupe River Authority requesting funding for rainwater harvesting 8 system at Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center 87 9 1.23 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding contract with Texas Department of 10 Public Safety for the Failure to Appear program 90 11 1.24 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to review policy for booking events at Hill Country 12 Youth Exhibit Center for 2013 92 13 1.25 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to determine rental fee for new show barn at Hill 14 Country Youth Exhibit Center 98 15 1.26 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on application for grant from LCRA for rainwater 16 catchment system 105 17 1.27 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve new sign and name for H.C.Y.E.C. 108 18 1.29 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 19 open and award bids for industrial fan/air circulation system for show barn at H.C.Y.E.C. 111 20 1.30 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 21 approve order authorizing and approving execution of a grant agreement with T.W.D.B. in the amount 22 of $64,000 and other matters related thereto 113 23 4.0 Approval Agenda - Bills, etc. 115 24 5.0 Information Agenda - Reports 117 25 --- Adjourned 129 5 1 On Monday, August 13, 2012, at 9:00 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 8 Let me call to order this regularly scheduled meeting of the 9 Kerr County Commissioners Court posted and scheduled for this 10 date and time, Monday, August 13, 2012, at 9 a.m. It is that 11 time now. Commissioner Letz? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Would everyone please stand, 13 join me in a moment of prayer, followed by the pledge. 14 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. At this time, if there's 16 any member of the public or audience that wishes to be heard 17 on a matter which is not a listed agenda item, this is your 18 opportunity to come forward and tell us what's on your mind. 19 If you wish to be heard on an agenda item, we would ask that 20 you fill out a participation form. There should be some 21 located at the rear of the room. If, for some reason, you 22 have not filled out a participation form and you want to be 23 heard on an agenda item, why, feel free to get my attention 24 in some manner when we get to that agenda item; I will give 25 you the opportunity to be heard. But right now, if there's 8-13-12 6 1 any member of the audience or public that wishes to be heard 2 on any matter which is not a listed agenda item, come forward 3 and tell us what's on your mind. 4 MS. CRADDOCK: Good morning. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Kristan Craddock and Denny Foster, 6 good to have you here. 7 MS. CRADDOCK: Thank you. Kristan Craddock, 8 Kerrville Area Chamber of Commerce. 9 MR. FOSTER: Denny Foster, Chairman of KerrFest. 10 MS. CRADDOCK: We want to say thank you so very, 11 very much for your support and sponsorship of KerrFest this 12 year. We had between 1,200 and 1,500 people there throughout 13 the weekend. We made twice as much money at the gate this 14 year than we did last year. Kerr County Maintenance, Tim and 15 his staff, they are incredible and amazing, and just make 16 everything run smoothly and look good, and we just -- we are 17 just so pleased with the event, and look forward to it next 18 year. 19 MR. FOSTER: I just wanted to add that, you know, 20 last year Lester Meier brought us this opportunity 90 days 21 before we put it on, and we were able to pull it off. And 22 for an event to make money its first year is -- is a big 23 accomplishment. This year was even better. We really 24 appreciate working with the City, the County, the C.V.B. and 25 the Chamber all working together, and I think we can use this 8-13-12 7 1 as a model to do so much more for this community. So, we 2 really appreciate all y'all's help and support. And I got to 3 -- I got to ditto on Tim and his crew. Wow, they really 4 pulled one off for us this weekend, so thanks a lot. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Great. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Any other member of the 8 public or audience that wishes to be heard on any matter 9 which is not a listed agenda item? Okay. Well, let's move 10 forward, then. Commissioner Letz, what do you have for us 11 this morning? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just two things, announcement 13 type. For those that want to attend the next Region J 14 meeting, it will be in Del Rio. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Hey. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On August 30, so anyone that 17 wants to drive to Del Rio, let Jody or I know. We'll figure 18 out -- give you directions on how to get there, where the 19 meeting's going to be. Should be quite a long meeting, 20 starting at 10 o'clock in the morning. And the other item is 21 kind of just an announcement. It came to my attention last 22 week that there was a -- on the City of Kerrville's website, 23 there was an error, and that it said that the City of 24 Kerrville was responsible for all platting in the ETJ. And I 25 looked into it a little bit further, visited with Mike Hays 8-13-12 8 1 about it, looked at their website, and sent a letter to Todd 2 Parton from last year asking them to get that off their 3 website; that it was not correct. I sent a copy of the 4 letter Judge Tinley sent them in, I think, August 2008 5 canceling that agreement, and asked that they would respond 6 and give us a list of any plats they approved without our 7 knowledge. I'm not sure why it was up there, why that 8 happened. But, anyway, I took -- you know, did have a 9 previous court order about it. I didn't worry about bringing 10 it back to the Court; I just sent a letter over to Mr. Parton 11 and advised him of that. So -- but that's just really a bit 12 of a concern. Hopefully -- because if they did do some, it 13 could cause some problems for us down the road. Hopefully, 14 they didn't approve any without our knowledge. That's it. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Last week on Thursday, we had 17 a preconstruction meeting with our -- with the contractor 18 over at Peter Lewis' office. It was a very good meeting. I 19 think we got very, very good contractors, very professional. 20 They intend to start doing some things, not this week, but 21 next week. We have a contact person that's going to be 22 living close to the site, but not on site, from Journeyman, 23 and he's going to have a travel trailer and probably stay in 24 the state park -- or the Kerrville Schreiner park. He's 25 going to be on site throughout the project. There's a man 8-13-12 9 1 that works in the office with him; he does all the paperwork. 2 They are saying that the building should be delivered the 1st 3 of October. They're getting all their drawings together, and 4 all that being done, and all that will be signed off on by 5 their engineer as well as our engineer before that is ever 6 built or delivered. 7 Another thing is, Road and Bridge finished basing 8 out the parking lot last week, and it looks as if everything 9 since demo started until this point, including the parking 10 lot area that's already been based out, is around $71,000. 11 That is -- that is just almost nothing compared to what it 12 would have been had we had to pay for a contractor. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that a net number? 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's a net number. I say 15 it's a net number. I'm not sure that includes the 9,000 that 16 we made over and above what the demo costs. I have to ask 17 the Auditor. But, anyway, somewhere in that range; that's 18 pretty close. We'll get the last numbers in -- the last bill 19 should be in next week or so, and then we'll get to see what 20 the total overall net is. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Look forward to getting 23 started on that. And that project out there has been a long 24 time coming, and there's a lot of people looking forward to 25 it. We got a guaranteed completion date of December 31st, at 8-13-12 10 1 no additional cost on the contract. That was part of -- and 2 that contract was executed this last week, and so everybody's 3 set to go. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that it? 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's it. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Baldwin? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I wanted to give 8 you an update on the Upper Turtle Creek School that we've 9 been doing some things with. We have a brand-new floor in 10 there that is absolutely beautiful. We have brand-new wind 11 screens that have gone up that just totally change the 12 complexion of the facility. And my favorite thing, of 13 course, is we rebuilt and put back the old outhouse, and put 14 a coat of paint on it and cut a couple of moons in there, and 15 we're real excited about that. And I understand that October 16 the 13th, at their -- probably is going to be a birthday 17 party out there. Our friend Clarabelle Snodgrass is going to 18 turn 99, and I think that she may be the last living person 19 in this community that went -- actually went to school there. 20 Not sure about that, but I'm close. So, we're planning on 21 having her party out -- birthday party out there, and we'll 22 have everything really spiffy and shined up. Right, Tim? 23 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tim -- Tim is -- I agree 25 with these nice folks that were in here from the Chamber. 8-13-12 11 1 Tim is really -- they have gone above and beyond the call of 2 duty to get this thing done, and I appreciate them very much. 3 But if you need to -- I want y'all to go out and look at it. 4 And Tim and I both have keys to it, so let us know when 5 you're going and we'll see that you get in. It's a very 6 minimal charge, but we have to pay for the thing. That's 7 all. Thank you. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Overby? 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Judge Tinley, just a few 10 things. First of all, last Saturday night we had a little 11 windstorm come through out in Center Point community last 12 week. We were fortunate that there was no property damage. 13 There was loss of a lot of trees. Of course, we saw some 14 trees in the park area that were blown down. There's a lot 15 of things that happened. There was some -- a roof that came 16 off some folks' house, their garage, but sounds like a little 17 twister like out in that part of the community. Didn't get 18 the rain, but we got the wind. We're glad nobody was hurt 19 last week when that came through. So, that's -- that's the 20 good news out of that part. Some other things that I think 21 are really positive that are -- that are happening right now, 22 I just visited with Kathy this morning. Last week, of 23 course, we did have an action item on helping the closing of 24 the road for the distribution of school packets. First 25 Baptist Church distributed 77 of those last week out in 8-13-12 12 1 Center Point community for kids going to school, and that's 2 fantastic. Thank you, Kathy and F.B.C., for doing those type 3 of projects. 4 And one other project I want to mention that's 5 really exciting, that hopefully over the next couple of 6 months we'll see happen to fruition. The original Center 7 Point train depot station is something that we have been 8 working on for a long time to get donated back to the Center 9 Point community. It's in the wheelhouse of getting -- 10 happening. That's going to be a reality. About 20-some-odd 11 years ago, the original train depot station was moved to 12 Boerne, and the gentleman who has that train depot -- it's 13 still in original, beautiful shape. It was built -- it's 125 14 years old. He is donating that building back to the Center 15 Point community to the historical park there in downtown 16 Center Point. 17 So, we're in the process right now of -- Joe 18 Amerine (sic), who is part of the -- president of the Center 19 Point historical group there, he is putting together right 20 now some grant requests with some of our local folks to see 21 if we can get funding and move it back. We have gotten 22 several bids to look at that, and trying to come back to do 23 it. But this is a wonderful historical building to return 24 back to this community. I know that Commissioner Letz, 25 Commissioner Williams worked on this for a long time. The 8-13-12 13 1 timing, tax write-off wise, it was advantageous to the 2 property owner, Commissioner, to take advantage of right now 3 to donate it back. So, the community is not having to pay 4 anything for the building. Just -- we're putting money right 5 now together to transport it back. So, that's an exciting 6 part. And of course in the historical park there, to have 7 the original train depot brought back to that area is a 8 fantastic spot. So, I know that Joe's working on that with 9 this committee to put that together, so that's what I'd like 10 to bring. AACOG meeting's coming up this week, so that's 11 about it in Precinct 2. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. A two-holer? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: That's pretty -- pretty elaborate. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, we're kind of uptown 16 out there. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well, that's good to hear. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Two-holer, too. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Really? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did I go a little bit too 21 far with that? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you may have. I was out at 23 KerrFest part of the weekend, and from my vantage point, the 24 crowd was pretty doggone decent. Everybody seemed to be 25 having a great time. A lot of different kinds of activities 8-13-12 14 1 going on. It seemed like that the -- the whole event this 2 year was a huge step up from last year, even though last 3 year, by golly, for the first year, I think everybody was 4 pretty well amazed how well it did. So, it looks like that 5 one's off and running on an annual basis for the community, 6 for our visitors and so forth. I'm tickled to death for it. 7 The good things that we say about our Maintenance 8 Department, I -- I don't think people understand the -- the 9 depth and breadth of the skills that our people in county 10 government have. We've heard a little bit about Road and 11 Bridge and the fact that they did all of the site work here a 12 couple years ago on the Sheriff's Office annex, saved the 13 county a ton of money there, built the pad for that building. 14 Some of those longtime employees said, "We've never done this 15 before," and we said, "There's always a first time." And 16 they did an absolutely fabulous job, saved a bunch of money. 17 They're doing it again out at the Ag Barn complex, and did 18 the demolition; did a great job there. You know, doing the 19 parking area, did the pad, ready for the foundation out 20 there. Again, saved a ton of money. Did an absolutely 21 expert job. 22 Our Maintenance people, they don't just kind of 23 clean up after things. Special projects, they do those 24 things all sorts of times. You just heard about the Turtle 25 Creek Schoolhouse. They do projects here at the courthouse, 8-13-12 15 1 finish out for new offices. They're working on a new 2 courtroom right now. In between other things they have to 3 do, they build components of furnishings for the various 4 offices here in the courthouse. If you can think of it, 5 they'll try and do it, and generally they do a doggone good 6 job of it. So, I don't think people really realize the 7 extent of the skills of the people in county government. 8 We're proud of them. We want you to be aware of it, because 9 they work for you, as we all do. 10 Let's get on with our meeting here. Let me recess 11 the Commissioners Court meeting, and I will now convene a 12 public hearing on the petition for the creation of the Kerr 13 County Emergency Services District Number 3. 14 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 9:17 a.m., and a public hearing was held in open 15 court, as follows:) 16 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Is there any member of the public or 18 audience that wishes to be heard with respect to the petition 19 for the creation of Kerr County Emergency Services District 20 Number 3? Feel free to come forward right now and tell us 21 what's on your mind about it. Gee, I figured with all this 22 number of people in here, we'd certainly have somebody that 23 has something to say about it. Yes, sir? Come forward and 24 tell us what's on your mind. 25 AUDIENCE: I actually have a question. It's not a 8-13-12 16 1 statement. Can you tell me, if the City opts out, how much 2 tax revenue could be generated by the E.S.D. in the county 3 alone, not with the city included? 4 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm kind of on the horns of a 5 dilemma here. At a public hearing, we take comment; we don't 6 respond. 7 AUDIENCE: That's what I was asking. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Now, it might be that in connection 9 with a later item, if there is one on the E.S.D., we can 10 address that. That is a question, obviously, that is on 11 folks' minds, and -- but at this point, I cannot respond. 12 AUDIENCE: Okay. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I appreciate your question and 14 concern, and it's not the first time, I assure you, sir. 15 AUDIENCE: I was just curious about that. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Anyone else wishing to 17 be heard on it? Going once? Going twice? I will now close 18 the public hearing with regard to the petition for the 19 creation of the Kerr County Emergency Services District 20 Number 3. 21 (The public hearing was concluded at 9:20 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court meeting was 22 reopened.) 23 - - - - - - - - - - 24 JUDGE TINLEY: And I will convene a public hearing 25 regarding the revision of plat of Cave Springs Addition, 8-13-12 17 1 Section 5, Phase One, Lots 9, 10, and 11 of Block C, as set 2 forth in Volume 5, Page 164, and Volume 5, Page 19, and 3 located in Precinct 4. 4 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 9:20 a.m., and a public hearing was held in open 5 court, as follows:) 6 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Odom? 8 MR. ODOM: Sir. There was supposed to be a public 9 hearing, but I don't have anything to comment about it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Is there any member of 11 the public or audience that wishes to be heard with regard to 12 the revision of plat for Cave Springs Addition, Section 5, 13 Phase One, Lots 9, 10, and 11 of Block C, Volume -- as set 14 forth in Volume 5, Page 164, and Volume 5, Page 19? Any 15 member of the public wish to be heard with regard to this 16 revision of plat? Seeing no one coming forward, I will close 17 the public hearing with regard to the revision of plat for 18 Cave Springs Addition, Section 5, Phase One, Lots 9, 10, and 19 11, of Block C as set forth in Volume 5, Page 164, and Volume 20 5, Page 19. 21 (The public hearing was concluded at 9:21 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court meeting was 22 reopened.) 23 - - - - - - - - - - 24 JUDGE TINLEY: I will now reconvene the -- I'm 25 sorry? 8-13-12 18 1 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let me call Item 3 for a 3 presentation regarding the P.R.C.A. rodeo that was held at 4 the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center on July 27th and 28th. 5 Ms. McGuffin, are you present? 6 MS. McGUFFIN: Oh, yeah, you can't miss me. How 7 are you this morning? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning. 9 MS. McGUFFIN: My name is Kries McGuffin. I am 10 with P.R.C.A., Professional Rodeo Cowboy Association, that 11 came to Kerrville, Texas, and I just have a few comments that 12 I want to make about it. And I also want to extend my 13 sincere appreciation for the work which Tim and everyone has 14 done, which I will add mine shortly. To start out, we had 15 two months when we decided that we were coming here. I had 16 61 days. So, after a brief anxiety moment, I decided we can 17 do this, and I believe in this county and I believe in the 18 city. It was a little difficult; I will not -- it was hard. 19 You know, I had some opposition, and it's okay, 'cause I 20 think the city is big enough and the county certainly is big 21 enough where we can have a lot of events, where we can bring 22 more things to Kerr County and to the city of Kerrville. 23 In the two months, we had over $23,000 in 24 sponsorships that the City of Kerrville and County of Kerr 25 came forward and helped with us to help this event take 8-13-12 19 1 place, which is quite a bit, in my opinion, for a first-time 2 event. P.R.C.A. has never been here before. They did not 3 know me from Adam, nor my stock contractor. They took a big 4 chance, and that's something that I'll never forget and I 5 will always appreciate, and I appreciate it very, very much. 6 So, we introduced Kerrville on a national level, and in the 7 rodeo world, we put Kerrville on the map, I guess, per se, 8 nationally when we introduced the P.R.C.A. to Kerrville. 9 Being that it is off Interstate 10, it is a great -- it's a 10 fantastic location for a P.R.C.A. venue, and as we grow the 11 P.R.C.A. venue, you'll find that it will open up bigger. 12 We'll continue to have two-day rodeos. And I don't know if 13 you know this, but this was a two-step rodeo, so in other 14 words, the 27th was one full rodeo; the 28th was one full 15 rodeo. We had $14,000 added money. That's a lot of money 16 for the P.R.C.A. cowboys and cowgirls to come and get. 17 Granted, our first year -- you know, everyone's 18 like, "What? There's a P.R.C.A. rodeo in Kerrville?" I 19 mean, it's something that we're really going to have to work 20 on and continue to promote. But, you know, I was really -- 21 it was really -- I was very surprised, and I was very 22 impressed with our entries. And I think as we grow it, 23 Kerrville will really, really, really shine, not that it 24 doesn't now. It does, or we wouldn't be here. We're excited 25 to be here. In the professional rodeo world, it will shine, 8-13-12 20 1 and it will continue to grow. And with all of the wonderful 2 improvements you're making to the fairgrounds as we speak, it 3 can only get better. So, I look forward to working with you 4 in the future, and any improvements that you make, it will 5 improve the professional rodeo industry. And we plan to 6 continue our annual event for the Heart of Kerr County 7 P.R.C.A. rodeo. 8 I want to say that -- you know, and I'm sure you 9 realize when these cowgirls and cowboys do blow into town, 10 they spend money. They go out to eat and they fill up their 11 trucks and their generators; they buy beer for the world. 12 (Laughter.) So, I mean, we just -- you know, everybody's 13 just -- we're all just -- we're just here to rodeo, and it's 14 a good thing. And they're going to end up coming back and 15 spending money. They'll see the banners; they're going to go 16 to the sponsor stores, and they're going to appreciate 17 everybody. And these cowboys and cowgirls on that level 18 depend on sponsors to get up and down the road, and so 19 they'll be back. And they're very loyal. They're very loyal 20 people. 21 When I got to Kerr County and I went to the arena, 22 I had another second thought. And it's okay. You know, I 23 have a good -- very good friend at McCoy's on a corporate 24 level. I asked him if he could help us with bucking chutes 25 and lead-up gates, everything that we were going to need to 8-13-12 21 1 have the facility work on a professional level. And thank 2 you -- thanks to Priefert's and McCoy's and the P.B.R., 3 because we did bring in some P.B.R. bucking chutes. They did 4 bring in bucking chutes and lead-up gates, which are the 5 curved panels which we don't have here in the county right 6 now that are very necessary when you're trying to really move 7 things, when you're moving an event for your crowd to enjoy 8 so it doesn't take a long time, but you still have that flow 9 of a professional event. You have to have the right 10 equipment, so we needed that, and I called and they brought 11 it down. They came in all the way from Mount Pleasant. 12 Twice, 'cause they brought the wrong ones the first time. It 13 wasn't my fault there. But they made it right, and it was 14 wonderful. 15 And we left them there actually for the KerrFest, 16 which we also promoted at the professional rodeo. We tried 17 to, you know, just make sure everyone knew to come out again, 18 so we tried to help with that area as well, and we did leave 19 the bucking chutes and the lead-up gates. And I want to also 20 thank Tim -- and in regards to that, Tim and Sonny worked 21 with Mr. Kenney very closely as they designed the chutes and 22 the pens and everything in the back to have it work really 23 smoothly, and Tim and Sonny have done a really good -- a 24 great job. I know they've been bragged on, so I probably 25 don't need to go on for another 30 minutes about it. 8-13-12 22 1 JUDGE TINLEY: He'll take it. 2 MS. McGUFFIN: I know he will. (Laughter.) I know 3 he will. But believe me, I think he may come over for 4 Thanksgiving this year. But he's -- they're good guys, all 5 of them out there. And I can't remember everybody on a 6 personal-name basis, but everybody that was running around or 7 walking around, or everybody -- it took everybody to make 8 this work. And I just -- it worked. I was scared to death. 9 I was nervous. I tried to make all the right decisions. I 10 tried to make all -- you know, hard advertising decisions to 11 make when you're in a new area. But I did the best I could 12 with what I had, and with what resources I had, I felt like I 13 made some pretty good ones, and I think they had a successful 14 event. We had over 1,400 people at the gate for the two-day 15 rodeo; that's with the counting of the presale tickets and 16 the gate money. So, we -- with that 1,400 people over two 17 days, that's not bad for, I guess, not ever being here 18 before. 19 We -- let's see. The -- of course, we hired the 20 EMT's to be there for two days. We worked very closely with 21 Sudie at the Kerrville Convention and Visitors Bureau, which 22 I'll never forget Sudie; she's an amazing lady, and I 23 appreciate her very, very much. She cross-promoted us 24 through Southern Living magazine, Texas Monthly, and Texas 25 Highways magazine, plus we had a little bit of donation in 8-13-12 23 1 other areas through the Kerrville C.V.B., but just excellent 2 and very efficient. Kerr County, I can't thank you enough, 3 Judge Tinley, Commissioners. Thank y'all very much for 4 having us and supporting us, and -- and helping us to make a 5 decision to come back next year. And the Y.O. Ranch Hotel 6 went out of their way as host hotel. We couldn't have done 7 it without them. There's so many people that I would like to 8 thank, but any of you that got to know me at all know that I 9 can talk forever and a day, so I probably should close this 10 up. But -- yes, sir? 11 JUDGE TINLEY: For a community this size and a 12 first-time event, you characterize the event as a success? 13 MS. McGUFFIN: I do. I really do. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Good. 15 MS. McGUFFIN: I absolutely do. And I think with 16 the improvements that y'all are planning to make and have 17 already decided to make, I think it will only get better for 18 all the events; not just the P.R.C.A. venue, but all -- all 19 of the events. I think it's necessary. Obviously, you all 20 know -- you all know what's needed, you know, to broaden the 21 horizons, I guess, per se. But you know what? We're here 22 from ground one, from ground zero. We didn't -- we didn't 23 back up and turn away. You know, I just stayed on the phone 24 a little bit longer. So, we're not -- I'm not going to give 25 up and leave the area. I really can't thank you enough. So, 8-13-12 24 1 we did all we did the for the right reasons, and we'll be 2 back. And I just want to thank you all. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's good news. 4 MS. McGUFFIN: Is there anything -- do you have any 5 questions for me? Is there anything I can answer for you? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: We just appreciate you bringing the 7 event to Kerrville and Kerr County. 8 MS. McGUFFIN: Yes, sir. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: And giving our citizens, as well as 10 visitors to the area, another opportunity to see some good 11 entertainment and some professional cowboys. 12 MS. McGUFFIN: Yes, sir. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Doing what they -- what did you call 14 them, rope-busting cowboys? 15 MS. McGUFFIN: Say again? 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Did you call them rope-busting 17 cowboys? 18 MS. McGUFFIN: I don't -- no, I don't think I did. 19 We'll have to ask her next week. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: All right, I may do that. 21 MS. McGUFFIN: But, no. And I wanted to tell 22 you -- and, of course, as you know, I was at the gate too. 23 Everybody was just wondering what in the world, but I was at 24 the gate, and I had so many people that I've never seen 25 before in my life, you know, say -- they said, "We're so glad 8-13-12 25 1 you're doing this." They said, "We're so glad this is here. 2 We're so..." And we had so many, so many comments. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Wonderful. 4 MS. McGUFFIN: That right there is good enough for 5 me. And I really appreciate it. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think it's remarkable, in 7 61 days, that you put this together. 8 MS. McGUFFIN: I know. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Kudos to you. 10 MS. McGUFFIN: Well, thank you. It's a group 11 effort, but thank you. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It's remarkable. Thank you. 13 MS. McGUFFIN: And to let you know, we don't owe 14 anybody, so that's always a good thing. I've got a couple of 15 -- I mean, we're good. So, is there -- did y'all see it 16 could have gone any different way? Or are y'all pleased with 17 the -- were you pleased? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Very pleased. Very pleased. 19 MS. McGUFFIN: Okay, good. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: There are always lessons to be 21 learned. I'm sure you've already got some things -- 22 MS. McGUFFIN: Oh, yes, sir. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: -- that -- that you experienced that 24 you say I can do this better or do differently. 25 MS. McGUFFIN: Mm-hmm. 8-13-12 26 1 JUDGE TINLEY: And be more efficient. But -- 2 MS. McGUFFIN: We did. You know -- 3 JUDGE TINLEY: -- that's what happens when -- this 4 is your first time out of the gate. 5 MS. McGUFFIN: Absolutely. You know, it's a trial 6 and error. And I tell you, I wanted -- most definitely did 7 not want any error. I'm an extreme perfectionist. But I -- 8 I have the confidence to know that I know what I'm doing, and 9 I just prayed that whatever I was doing here would work. And 10 so -- 'cause you never know. You know, you just never know. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The only comments I had back 12 from a couple of people was where they could purchase 13 pre-ticketing. 14 MS. McGUFFIN: Presale tickets. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Presale tickets. I had that 16 question. And, again, my comment back was I'm sure that it 17 was -- C.V.B. was one of the locations. 18 MS. McGUFFIN: Yes, sir. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Did you have any other 20 locations? And maybe that's something you can look at 21 expanding next year -- 22 MS. McGUFFIN: We did -- 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: -- in time frame that you 24 have. 25 MS. McGUFFIN: We did -- most of our bigger 8-13-12 27 1 sponsors were ticket outlets we had that advertised in the 2 papers and on the radio, on our radio spots. We did -- we 3 didn't have them advertised on our TV commercials, 'cause 4 that was just a TV commercial with our title sponsors. But 5 as far as our ticket outlets, we did have that on the radio, 6 and we did have it in the newspaper. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 8 MS. McGUFFIN: I did the best I could, as far as 9 that goes. I think there could be a little bit more 10 efficient way -- now that I've been in Kerrville, there's 11 probably a little better efficient way to handle that more 12 properly, and I will address that next year. But we did 13 advertise it. And, of course, in fact, the tickets went on 14 sale July 14th, and the C.V.B. -- I think they had eight 15 people walk in there that day. Sudie called and she said, 16 "Well, this is strange." She says, "We've never done this 17 before." So, you know, it was good. It really went good. 18 The parking was good. I was questioning the parking; I was a 19 little nervous about parking, but we made it work. Tim, you 20 know, revised a little pathway, and we probably should work 21 on that a little bit better to get people off the highway a 22 little bit better. We definitely need our contestants to go 23 to the back instead of the front. There's some -- 24 logistically, speaking, we need to make changes, but I think 25 those will positively come when all the other changes are 8-13-12 28 1 made. And we can all work together, and whatever changes 2 need to be made, we'll make, because it proved itself to be a 3 positive venue for Kerrville and Kerr County. And as I said, 4 putting it on the map nationally on a professional level is 5 good in itself. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: We appreciate it. Thank you, Kries. 7 MS. McGUFFIN: Yes, sir, and I thank y'all very 8 much. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I've had a request to call 11 Item 28; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to 12 designate a group or committee to develop a proposed level of 13 service requirements for emergency medical services outside 14 the city limits of Kerrville and cost analysis and estimates 15 of providing such levels of service. Commissioner Letz? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I asked the Judge to put this 17 on, 'cause there's a lot of people in the room, and there was 18 one question on it, so I think we have an opportunity to talk 19 about it a little bit. I put this on. I talked with 20 Commissioner Baldwin about it. He's been kind of working 21 real hard with the E.S.D. issue. And, really, this came 22 after our joint meeting with the City, is what got me 23 thinking about doing this. And it was the first time at that 24 meeting, since I've been a commissioner anyway, that the -- 25 at least two members of the Council, and probably, I think, 8-13-12 29 1 more by the body language at the meeting, talked about 2 supporting, or at least looking into what it would cost, and 3 receptive to the idea of the City of Kerrville putting 4 satellite stations in the county. That's the first time 5 that's ever even been talked about as a possibility. 6 And that's one of the issues that we've had with 7 the, you know, emergency services and EMS county-wide, is 8 that the response time has been very -- is slow, just because 9 all the ambulances are in the city limits of Kerrville. So, 10 I started thinking about that. I talked with Commissioner 11 Baldwin a little bit, and I certainly -- I'd like to explore 12 that more. And I think one of the things that we need to 13 probably do is really put a -- look at what response time the 14 county residents outside -- or the residents outside the city 15 limits, they would -- you know, they would like. I have my 16 feeling, but I don't know if we've really looked at it in 17 that specific view. And the other item is exactly what the 18 level of service is from the standpoint of, you know, the -- 19 do we need to try to go with the exact same boxes, as they're 20 called, as the city uses, or is there other type ambulances 21 that would be sufficient, maybe at a slightly lower cost, but 22 still provide a high level of service? There's a couple 23 questions like that that I thought we could, you know, work 24 on. 25 And this is -- is not necessarily an E.S.D. issue 8-13-12 30 1 directly. I think it adds more information for the public by 2 looking at these things. It is not in place of the E.S.D. in 3 any way. It's just -- it's added information moving forward, 4 and I think it's something that would be very good for me to 5 have as a Commissioner. The idea would be that we go with 6 a -- appoint a committee. I don't think we're ready to do it 7 now, but maybe put it on the agenda, and at our next meeting 8 appoint a small committee of people that may be interested in 9 helping us. I'm not looking to spend -- hire a consultant, 10 really, for this. I think we have some people with a lot of 11 knowledge in the community. Maybe have a -- ask that 12 committee to hold a few community meetings, visit with 13 people, HOA heads, things of that nature, and get some 14 feedback. And possibly visit with, you know, of course the 15 City of Kerrville, their EMS staff or whoever they need to 16 visit with there, and outside providers as well, and come 17 back with a little bit of information as to, you know, what 18 the cost might be to develop, put the satellite stations 19 where they should be, and what kind of response time, level 20 of service we'd like to have. So, you know, just kind of a 21 fact-finding thing. Commissioner, anything to add? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I do. I just wanted 23 to say that in all my years of being here and meeting with 24 the City on this issue, that meeting was one of the better 25 meetings that we've ever had. They're very friendly, very 8-13-12 31 1 positive, interest -- interested in -- you know, they're 2 exactly right. There were several of them that made -- made 3 the comment of, "We're elected to take care of the citizens 4 inside the city." That's exactly right. But we are Kerr 5 County as a community, and -- and the idea of being able to 6 take a look at some of the ideas that we have out in the 7 county, the satellite-type situations, I'm appreciative of 8 the City Council for -- for voicing that. And I think it's 9 going to be -- if we can get the right folks that -- and they 10 can get the right information from the City, which is 11 sometimes difficult; you know, I'll be honest about it. It 12 has been difficult for us to get the right information 13 regarding ambulances and their runs out in the county. And 14 if we can put together a few people, a very small committee, 15 in my opinion, if they can get that information, it will be a 16 huge benefit. Huge benefit to us. And, you know, I -- I 17 certainly want to keep that on the table, on the front 18 burner, and I want to keep the E.S.D. on the -- on the burner 19 somewhere. I want to keep an outside ambulance service, a 20 third party on the burner as well. I mean, I want to keep 21 everything on the table and take a look at it. But I think 22 this information that we can get from this committee will 23 help us in decision making down the road. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner, essentially what 25 you're asking at this point is for those persons who may have 8-13-12 32 1 an interest in -- in being a part of this group or this 2 committee, have some sort of special skills or ability, we 3 want to hear from those folks so we might consider including 4 them in this group or committee? Is that what I'm hearing 5 from you? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. And them contact us, and 7 also for us to be able to go out in the community and try to 8 beat the bushes a little bit and find people that may have an 9 interest in serving. I think, you know, certainly there's 10 some technical expertise in the community for just about 11 anything we want to do, and I'm sure there are in this area. 12 I agree with Commissioner Baldwin; this needs to be a very 13 small group. I'm thinking three or five, something like 14 that, no more than five. And I really want to single out one 15 Councilman who, I think, made a great -- Councilman McDonald 16 made a comment that, you know, yes, they're elected by the 17 residents of the city of Kerrville; that's their first 18 priority, but Kerrville is part of the Kerr County community, 19 and we need to work together. I was very appreciative of 20 Councilman McDonald's comment. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good to hear that. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's what kind of got this 23 going in my mind to kind of think about a little bit. They 24 had some questions that I think this would answer, and I 25 think it would be helpful just moving forward, you know, on 8-13-12 33 1 EMS in the future. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think we're where we 3 have time to come up with the best plan to serve everybody, 4 the entire -- you know, Kerrville -- city of Kerrville and 5 outside the city of Kerrville, with the best service 6 possible. And -- and it seems that for the first time, we 7 have that time, and we also have some cooperation from the 8 City Council, which has been -- you know, we've had problems 9 with that for a very long time, and I think it's time we all 10 come together and come up with a joint solution to the entire 11 problem of the future of EMS service. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Commissioner Letz and 13 Commissioner Baldwin, I -- I agree with you on your approach 14 here and making a recommendation here on this committee being 15 formed to analyze such an important service for our community 16 and for Kerr County, and I too just want to reiterate the 17 meeting at the City Council with County Commissioners was 18 very positive. I'm glad that you made that comment about 19 Mr. McDonald being said. But I do like this idea, and I -- I 20 support this idea. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, you know, I don't know 22 that we can take action on it today. It'll be on the next 23 agenda and, you know, hopefully we'll have some names come 24 forward, and -- 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: It's good. 8-13-12 34 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- we can ask them to go 2 forward. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What is your intent on the 4 E.S.D. vote being on the ballot for November? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I haven't -- I don't know that 6 this -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: It's on the ballot. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's on the ballot. I look at 9 this, to me, as added information. One, I think that we've 10 been a little bit reluctant to say the E.S.D. board will do 11 this. And I look at this that this is kind of basically 12 pointing out an option that an E.S.D. board could implement. 13 It doesn't mean it won't be the option, but I think it will 14 give a -- there's some work that will need to be done if the 15 E.S.D. passes or doesn't pass. There's -- you know, 16 regardless of what happens with the E.S.D. vote, we as a 17 Commissioners Court are obligated to figure out some way to 18 have EMS service in the county. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the E.S.D. was one way to 21 get there. And if it passes, great; we'll pass this off to 22 the E.S.D. board. If it doesn't pass, that means we still 23 got to work to get this done. So, I see this as a positive 24 either way. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Bottom line, the whole thing 8-13-12 35 1 is that we're -- we're dealing with the lives of our 2 citizens, and I don't know that anything gets any more 3 important than that. And if there's anyone willing to -- 4 that's -- that has a desire to serve on this committee, let 5 me know and I'll give you the Judge's home phone number, 6 and -- (Laughter.) 7 JUDGE TINLEY: It's in the book. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- a little bit later, you 9 can call him. He doesn't like to be called until about 10 11 o'clock at night. And so we can work that out. But thank 11 you, Commissioner Letz. Appreciate you doing that. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. We got that one pretty well 13 wrung out? Let's go -- we had a 9:30 timed item. Item 6, to 14 consider, discuss, take appropriate action regarding the new 15 parking lot cost and approval for construction at the 16 Kerrville/Kerr County Airport. I saw -- I saw Mr. Bruce 17 McKenzie here earlier. Oh, we got the president of the 18 board. Mr. Steve King is going to be pinch-hitting for him. 19 MR. KING: How are y'all, Commissioners, Judge? 20 Steve King, Airport Board -- Kerrville/Kerr County Airport 21 Board. We're bringing this to you. It's a -- this item is 22 on your agenda because we have to have approval for capital 23 expenditures over a certain amount, and I believe this 24 exceeds the amount, from the City and the County prior to 25 building it. This is for -- this is for a parking lot that 8-13-12 36 1 we want to build at the airport. It serves two purposes. 2 When they originally -- if you go back to the original 3 project when they built the terminal, the terminal was built 4 between two existing hangars at the airport, and the space 5 was fairly limited. After the -- after the terminal was 6 built, the parking area was sort of -- they ran out of money, 7 and it became a -- a "do the best you can" scenario. So, 8 some of the -- so there's 40 parking spots at the airport, 40 9 parking -- dedicated parking spots. Five or six of those 10 parking spots are long enough for a small -- a Volkswagen or 11 something like that; they're very short. They didn't have 12 enough room to cut the -- they didn't have enough money to 13 cut the dirt out of a hill and move those parking spots back 14 and make them larger. 15 So, what we've run into as the airport's grown over 16 the last five years, six years, is that everyone who has a 17 ranch or a hunting lease in Kerrville, or has a house in 18 Kerrville, has a car at the airport, and we've become a giant 19 parking lot for -- for our weekend visitors to Kerrville. 20 And while we love for them to come and spend money in the 21 city and the county and -- and bring their aircraft into the 22 airport, we've run out of places to park them. And -- and 23 most of them leave their cars there for the year, for the 24 whole year, so we have a -- we have a huge problem. If any 25 of you -- the Commissioners, the Judge -- have been to a 8-13-12 37 1 meeting at the airport, you have to park up on the -- on the 2 road almost, because the parking lot's almost full before you 3 get there. 4 So, about a year ago, I brought this before the 5 board to look at the possibility of building a long-term 6 parking area adjacent to the terminal, so it would be very 7 close to the airport, close to the terminal, to allow these 8 -- these visitors to park their cars on a more longer-term 9 basis. In exchange for us allowing them to park their cars 10 up there, we would require them to pay some sort of a parking 11 fee, and so we'll charge them by the month to park up in that 12 parking lot, and it will be secure and it will be lighted, 13 and it will be -- it will be just a lot better operation for 14 the airport. The project will accomplish two things. It 15 will give us a place to put those cars, and it also -- we're 16 also -- part of the project is increasing the parking lot -- 17 parking area to allow those six or seven spaces that we have 18 at the front of the airport to accommodate full-size 19 vehicles, so that when you pull in the airport where the 20 terminal is, you don't have to -- there's a very tight space 21 in there, and it will open up the parking lot that we already 22 have. So, it's a two-part -- there's two things going to be 23 done in the project. Okay. 24 We have talked to the City and County, and the City 25 and County have graciously agreed to provide the maintenance, 8-13-12 38 1 the labor and the equipment to pave the parking lot -- to 2 actually build the parking lot. Actually, the County will do 3 one part of it; the City will do the other. City will use 4 their paver they have, and we will supply the -- in our 5 budget, the airport will supply all of the -- the materials; 6 the base, the hot mix, everything. The striping, we'll do 7 all that. It's just the -- the City and the County will, in 8 a joint project like we did a couple years ago on the taxiway 9 over there that we needed, they got together, and you guys 10 have certain equipment that can be used, like you're using 11 out at the Ag Barn right now, and building base material, and 12 they'll come in and pave it. They'll come in and pave it 13 with our material. So, it greatly reduces the cost of the 14 project, the total cost of the project, including paving the 15 parking lot -- building the parking lot, paving it. 16 We've already had it surveyed. We've had core 17 samples done on the materials, so we know what's below there, 18 below the -- below the surface. That all came out good. We 19 have to relocate some three-phase power; we found out about 20 it lately. Adding a security gate, all the lighting. It 21 will have a -- this thing will have a man -- a walkway gate 22 and a regular security gate with a keypad that they'll just 23 be able to punch in the pad to get into their car, and the -- 24 come in and out -- and walk in and out of a man gate. The 25 total cost of the project is 70,000 -- $70,562. That's where 8-13-12 39 1 we are, with a 10 percent contingency fee. We're going to 2 pay for this -- we propose to pay for this project with -- 3 half of it will be paid for out of our RAMP grant, which is 4 the money that we get from TexDOT every year. They give us 5 $50,000 every year. The City and the County match the 6 50,000, 25 each, and we have $100,000. And that -- that 7 money, if you don't use it every year, it goes away, so we 8 try to use it up every year. 9 So, we'll use part of this -- part of the funding 10 will come from a RAMP grant. The other part of the funding, 11 the $35,000 plus a little, will come from the City and the 12 County, but we're going to -- we're going to take it out of 13 our -- we propose to take it out of our budget -- out of our 14 reserves. We have -- we have considerable reserves, and we 15 think we can -- we can afford to go ahead and pay for that 16 out of our reserves, and we're not asking the City or the 17 County for any money at this time. We'll pay for it out of 18 our reserves. The RAMP grant will pay for the other part. 19 The parking lot will be built, and hopefully we'll fill the 20 parking lot up; we'll be able to -- we should be able to pay 21 it out in two years. If it was full, we could pay it out in 22 two years. The plan would be to start receiving revenue off 23 the parking lot, move these cars out of here over to this 24 lot. 25 And -- and there's a precedent for this. The 8-13-12 40 1 F.B.O. -- the local F.B.O., Kerrville Aviation, has a limited 2 number of spots that they already rent out, and they rent out 3 to people that are not parked in our parking lot. And so 4 these people -- I'm sure they're not going to have objections 5 to doing that. If they do have an objection, we have a -- we 6 have an out, a satellite parking lot that's located about 300 7 yards away, and they can park their car out there and then 8 walk back and forth. So, we feel like we can pay the thing 9 out in a couple years, and hopefully use the money -- the 10 income that we have, the revenue coming in from it to go with 11 some covered parking, to add some covered parking to part of 12 the lot. And we'll use like the automobile dealerships are 13 using, with the -- with the spans with the fabric and 14 everything, so we'll probably use something like that. And 15 so we'll be able to up -- even up the rent on those people 16 that do that. This is not uncommon. I was in Uvalde last 17 week; they've got probably 65 cars parked in a field -- 18 parked in a field, and they have a lot more room than we do, 19 so they just park them out in the dirt field and leave them 20 there. 21 So, this is our project, and we're excited about 22 it. We're excited to kind of clean up the area around the 23 airport so that our daily visitors and our overnight visitors 24 can come in. We'll have some sort of signage to -- to try to 25 clean up the lot a little bit. We have about 25 cars parked 8-13-12 41 1 against the fence right now that -- if you've ever been out 2 to the airport, they just park against the fence at a 3 15-degree angle. They just park their car there and leave 4 it. Most of them -- a lot of them are covered; they cover 5 them up. And, I mean, they're not coming back for a while, 6 so -- till deer hunting season. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: They're dusty. 8 MR. KING: Till deer hunting season. So, that's 9 our project. If you have any questions, I'll be more than 10 happy -- and we're not asking for any money, so if you got 11 any questions, we'll -- 12 JUDGE TINLEY: You know, you're always well 13 received when you're not asking for money, Steve. 14 MR. KING: Yeah. We tried to structure it that 15 way. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: I can't imagine that some of those 17 long-term parkers won't be happy to have a secure fenced area 18 that's lit and whatnot. They'll jump on that in a New York 19 second, I would think. 20 MR. KING: I -- I think so. We have a home over in 21 Florida, and when I fly into the Destin airport, there's 600 22 cars parked in that parking lot. They charge $600 a year to 23 park there. So, I mean, it's -- that's a destination area, 24 but, I mean, it happens all over the United States. It's not 25 a -- it's not something that we're doing that's out of the 8-13-12 42 1 box or anything. It's just a way of cleaning up the area and 2 getting all these people in one area so they can leave their 3 car there all year and use it once a year if they want to, or 4 every week. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Steve, I would say that, 6 first of all, the Airport Board -- whole board has done a 7 wonderful job in what you guys have been putting this 8 together. Bruce did a wonderful job. I think, for 9 everybody's information, the terminal building was built in 10 '06? 11 MR. KING: '06, right. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And, really, parking was 13 just -- trying to stay within the budget, they didn't really 14 add the additional parking at that time. It's kind of needed 15 to be done, so now it's coming back and getting done because 16 of the growth. But anyway, appreciate all of y'all's work, 17 everybody doing that, Bruce and the whole board. 18 MR. KING: And this is in an area we've already 19 discussed with TexDOT and the F.A.A. They don't have a 20 problem with us putting the lot there, and so it's -- I think 21 it's a good project. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: This also is an additional 23 opportunity to demonstrate, number one, the skills, and 24 number two, the cooperative effort of the City and the County 25 in doing these road-type projects. A lot of folks don't know 8-13-12 43 1 this has been going on for years, where we have assisted the 2 City. City has come in and done any base repair, handled 3 traffic control, things like that. Our county people have 4 come in and done the sealcoating. This has been going on for 5 several years. This is just another example of the 6 cooperative efforts that -- that we can put into place to 7 save all of the taxpayers some money. And, here again, it's 8 just one more instance of that, and I think it's a good one. 9 MR. KING: And Bruce McKenzie, our Airport Manager, 10 he'll be supervising the project, and as you guys know, his 11 background is in road and -- 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. I think both the City and 13 County people that deal -- 14 MR. KING: -- construction. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: They know pretty much what they're 16 doing. 17 MR. KING: We've done this in the past. I drive by 18 the Ag Barn every day. I see what y'all have done with that 19 parking lot. I think if we can just duplicate that little 20 piece out there, it will be perfect. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One other comment that -- I 22 don't think you said this, but it will -- this is another 23 revenue producer that will, long term, reduce our, you know, 24 amount of subsidy that we provide. I mean, it's come down, 25 you know, substantially in the last three years, come down 8-13-12 44 1 with what the City and County have to put into the airport 2 because of the way y'all are now operating the airport. This 3 is another step to reduce the -- you know, any subsidy coming 4 from the general fund. I appreciate that. 5 MR. KING: Right. And one of my other board 6 members, Mr. Moser, is here, and he's been helpful on this 7 also. He's -- well, he's kind of the one that's pushed this, 8 trying to get us towards getting revenue neutral. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He lives here. 10 MR. KING: That's his goal. So, we're heading that 11 direction with this project. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: And you need the Court's approval? 13 MR. KING: Yes, just need approval. Since we are 14 exceeding the capital -- as a capital expenditure out of our 15 budget, out of our reserves, we need approval from the City 16 and the County. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 19 approve the capital expenditure for a new parking lot, with 20 the total cost of -- well, the funds to come out of the 21 airport budget. 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 24 indicated. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 25 raising your right hand. 8-13-12 45 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Thank you, 5 Mr. King. We appreciate you being here. 6 MR. KING: Appreciate your help. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 9, which is a 9:45 8 timed item; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action 9 regarding installing a solid waste interceptor at 4-H 10 Livestock Center. Commissioner Oehler? 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I'm -- 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Where is the 4-H Livestock Center? 13 I've not heard that term before. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's the project barn. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And they've been talking 17 about this for quite some time, trying to get -- you know, 18 you can -- "interceptor" is kind of a strange term to me, but 19 it's kind of like a septic system holding tank to catch some 20 of the solid waste that washes down from that area. And then 21 eventually, that wastewater goes into the city sewer. 22 Anyway, Roy's been working on it with Lane Wolters, I 23 believe, to come up with an idea or plan to try to get this 24 done, and they're just bringing it to the Court to see what 25 we think about it and see if we think we can fund it. That's 8-13-12 46 1 about it. Roy? 2 MR. WALSTON: That's it. Thank you, Bruce. Thank 3 you, Judge and Commissioners. I wanted to present this 4 proposal to you as a better way of managing our livestock 5 project center or project barn. We have previously -- when 6 we installed and built this facility, we were able to handle 7 the waste on the -- and this is strictly on the swine portion 8 of that barn, and -- and in that portion, we have 21 pens, 9 and right now it looks like 21 exhibitors, about 44 total 10 exhibitors in that barn this year. And so this -- this 11 interceptor will allow us to wash down that portion of the 12 barn. It would hold the solid waste in a holding tank, as 13 Bruce mentioned, and then tie it -- be able to tie into city 14 sewer. These are the costs of putting in a trench to wash 15 down the pens, as well as the cost of the interceptor being 16 purchased and -- and set into the hole, and then also the 17 installation of the interceptor, the tank, as well as tying 18 -- taking it to the county line. 19 One thing that this cost does not include is 20 tapping in that main at the -- in the main in the sewer. So, 21 other than that, we did include -- due to the fact of the 22 slope on that, we did include a lift station, just so that we 23 didn't have to worry about that. Rather than running into 24 problems later, we just felt like it would be better to go 25 ahead and include a lift station, and that way alleviate any 8-13-12 47 1 later problem. So, that's kind of where we're -- where we 2 are. Lane's worked well with me, and we've kind of got a 3 plan together, and this is the different stages and the 4 different costs of each stage that we've got put together, 5 with a total cost of $23,110. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Question. 7 MR. WALSTON: Mm-hmm. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Lest we scare everybody to death 9 when we use the term "lift station," we're used to reading in 10 the local newspaper about installation of lift stations of 11 two, three, four million dollars. What we're talking about 12 here is a grinder pump, right? Essentially? 13 MR. WALSTON: I'm going to let Lane answer that. 14 MR. WOLTERS: All right. Lane Wolters, On-Site 15 Environmental. Judge, Commissioners, these pumps that we're 16 using are probably not going to be grinder pumps, 'cause 17 we're actually -- by definition, we're trapping all the 18 solids out of this wastewater, so we've just got clear 19 effluent. Is it is an effluent pump. It will handle 2-inch 20 solid, but that's not going to be what we ask it to do. So, 21 it's compared to those very expensive macerator pumps that 22 use all kinds of energy, have all kinds of problems, that are 23 trying to grind up everything that would ever come in there. 24 We're just taking the water out, so it's much less. That's 25 why it's not $2 million. It's just -- 8-13-12 48 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 2 MR. WOLTERS: -- a couple thousand dollars. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: As the solids eventually dissipate 4 or disintegrate and go into a solution, why, then it takes 5 them on out. Is that what we're looking at? 6 MR. WOLTERS: Right. We're just basically trapping 7 solids so that we don't have a big overburden on the city 8 sewer, at one slug at a time. So, it's holding it back. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Lane, are you -- are we 10 going to treat it in any way? 11 MR. WOLTERS: No. Well, no, we're really not. 12 It's not even a septic -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No chlorine, no -- 14 MR. WOLTERS: No, actually, there is not. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's not like you, you 16 know. 17 MR. WOLTERS: Yeah. I'm going back. (Laughter.) 18 We're going back to a "less is better." No. If we had about 19 30 more inches of fall, we could get rid of the lift station, 20 but -- and it wouldn't be anything. Pretty simple deal, 21 actually. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well, let me ask Mr. Walston, 23 for a pretty simple deal, -- 24 MR. WALSTON: All right. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: -- where the $23,000-plus cost, plus 8-13-12 49 1 the cost of tying onto city sewer, where he proposes that 2 comes from. 3 MR. WALSTON: I was proposing that that would come 4 from the capital improvement -- I had -- in the process, back 5 when we were asked some of the things that we needed, this is 6 one of the things -- this is the main thing that I'd asked 7 for as far as the capital improvement. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: This is back in what we used to call 9 the old horse barn? 10 MR. WALSTON: Yes, sir. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: That's been significantly improved 12 to provide a project area for some of the people that want to 13 do livestock projects that don't have a farm or ranch, or 14 don't have access to one? 15 MR. WALSTON: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: And how many are utilizing that now? 17 MR. WALSTON: Right now, we have 44 this year. We 18 filled it up again this year. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Are we even dividing some of the 20 pens? 21 MR. WALSTON: Yes, sir. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: We're starting to do that now 23 because we got additional demands? 24 MR. WALSTON: On the sheep and goat side, we're 25 starting to divide it. We're not able to do that in the 8-13-12 50 1 swine barn. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What is the sizing of this? 4 Does it also allow for expansion of these projects down the 5 road as well for the county -- 6 MR. WALSTON: Not really. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: -- on what we currently have? 8 MR. WALSTON: That handles pretty well what we 9 have, just the barn that's there. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Roy, I have a question, 12 probably more for Lane than for you. We need restrooms over 13 there as well. Is there a way to incorporate restrooms into 14 this, or will it work with this, or can we upgrade this a 15 little bit to get it for restrooms as well? Because that's 16 something that's needed both for the outdoor arena and for 17 the area we are -- I mean, it's -- I mean, and that's 18 something that we have talked about for several years; been 19 trying to get the restroom facility built, and one of the 20 biggest costs on this is if we're doing the ditching and pipe 21 and all that. Boy, it sure seems it makes a whole lot of 22 sense to upgrade a little bit to be able to combine those 23 two. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You're looking at two 25 different things. You're looking at a restroom facility at 8-13-12 51 1 the outdoor arena. That's going to be a totally stand-alone 2 system. It's uphill from this, and it would just flow 3 directly into the city sewer without any problem. This is, I 4 think, just really for animals. And I wouldn't mind having 5 at least one restroom or two in that facility. That would be 6 -- that would be good, but I don't think that you can 7 incorporate both into one -- one deal. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Have you looked at that, Lane? 9 MR. WOLTERS: No, sir, I have not. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 11 MR. WOLTERS: Again, I think we're going to have a 12 little bit of a problem mixing those two together. Maybe 13 not, but we can look at it. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, it just seems that if 15 -- you know, if we're doing all that ditching, -- 16 MR. WOLTERS: Right. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- let's not do it twice. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I agree with that. And also, 19 you know, we're going to have to talk with the City about 20 this too. Have y'all already visited with them? Have they 21 given it their blessing, or -- 22 MR. WOLTERS: Well, yeah. Not quite a full-blown 23 blessing, but we do have a verbal go-ahead from the 24 pretreatment director of the wastewater treatment plant. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 8-13-12 52 1 MR. WOLTERS: Yeah, we've been talking to him for a 2 long time. 3 MR. WALSTON: We've been doing pretty much 4 everything they're asking us to do. 5 MR. WOLTERS: Right. They have a wish list. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I can understand -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is -- for those that 8 aren't real familiar with this whole process, this is a water 9 quality issue for the river. The City wants us to fix this 10 problem, so it's not like we're just doing it just to -- I 11 mean, it needs to be done from an environmental standpoint. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And also for sanitary and 13 part of washing the building down, keeping it clean so you 14 don't have problems with disease and stuff like that with all 15 those animals. 'Cause when you pack animals in that tight, 16 you're going to have problems if you don't have it washed and 17 cleaned pretty regular. 18 MR. WALSTON: Helps to eliminate some flies and 19 transmission of disease. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Where problems come from. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: My only question is, is the 22 money really there, or do we need to tuck it into our budget? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm going to -- that's my question 24 too, whether that was initially thought to be included within 25 the capital project. And my inclination was that probably 8-13-12 53 1 was not initially thought of to be part and parcel of that, 2 and I'm getting that indication from the Auditor. I think 3 Commissioner Letz' comments are appropriate. If we're going 4 to be putting in essentially a sewer line, if we can 5 incorporate some sort of sanitary facilities for -- maybe not 6 the public, maybe the users out there, at some small 7 additional cost. We've got -- we've got a Maintenance 8 facility out there that is used rather frequently. We've got 9 -- we got the kiddoes using that facility. I think we need 10 to look at it from every angle. And even if we've got some 11 additional costs involved, which there probably would be, but 12 as opposed to a stand-alone, if we did it on a stand-alone, 13 we'd be paying a whole lot more money. If we're going to be 14 building a sewer line, you know, obviously, it probably 15 wouldn't have to go through this interceptor system, but we 16 might ought to take a look at that. And in the meantime, 17 maybe we can figure out where the money's going to come from. 18 It's not that I -- I oppose it. I was beating the drum to 19 try and figure out how to use that horse barn for some of 20 these kiddoes that -- that didn't really have a place to do a 21 project that really wanted to do one, and that's been a 22 tremendously successful operation for those kiddoes. It's -- 23 it's really been a good one. Like you said, we're doubling 24 up now. 25 MR. WALSTON: Yeah. It's probably brought a lot of 8-13-12 54 1 new families to our program that we hadn't had, and so 2 they're getting advantage of more than just the horse barn 3 and project center. They're involved in the whole program. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: So, I want to figure out a way to do 5 the project, but let's get as much efficiency out of it as we 6 can. That's my thinking at this point in time. 7 MR. WALSTON: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's the -- I know school's 9 getting ready to start and projects are going already. 10 What's the -- I guess the time period to get it installed 11 once it's approved? 12 MR. WALSTON: We'd like to have it in by the 1st of 13 September. We're going to be getting pigs in there by the 14 1st of -- soon after the 1st of September. But -- 15 JUDGE TINLEY: May have to do a little hauling for 16 a while. 17 MR. WALSTON: A.S.A.P. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It takes a couple weeks -- 19 three weeks, probably, to get it installed? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: To get it installed. 21 MR. WOLTERS: Yes, no more than two weeks. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two weeks. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Y'all work on those two 24 items, and let's get it back here and see if we can get 25 something cooking on it. 8-13-12 55 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we frequently have special 2 meetings, so you can always tack it onto one of those special 3 meetings if we have one, if you get the answer back prior to 4 our -- sooner than two weeks. 5 MR. WALSTON: Thank y'all. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Thank you. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: For y'all that don't know, 9 this is Ranger Lane. He's Kerr County's original 10 environmental health department. 11 MR. WOLTERS: Actually back in the day, wasn't it? 12 That's what "back in the day" means. Good to see y'all. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, Lane. 14 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to -- I want to get these 16 election things out of the way. Let's go to Item 17; to 17 consider, discuss, and approve the appointment of election 18 judges and alternates for the term of one year in accordance 19 with Texas Election Codes, Section 32. Ms. Alford? 20 MS. ALFORD: Yes, sir. We do this annually where 21 we elect -- appoint the election judges for one year. 22 Republican party are judges, and Democratic party are the 23 alternate judges. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: They're all listed in your backup 25 material. 8-13-12 56 1 MS. ALFORD: They're submitted by the parties. 2 Each party submits their list of judges. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- of the list as submitted. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 7 approval of the appointment of election judges and alternates 8 for a term of one year in accordance with Texas Election 9 Code, Section 32. Question or discussion? All in favor, 10 signify by raising your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 13 (No response.) 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Let's go to Item 15 18; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to approve 16 the Central Counting Station personnel pursuant to Chapter 17 27, Texas Election Code. Those people are as follows: 18 Presiding Manager, Nadene Alford; Tabulating Supervisor, 19 Michele Schneider; Clerk, Eva Washburn; Clerk, Mimi Valverde; 20 Clerk, Linda Hott; Clerk, Cindy Guardiola; calls to S.O.S. 21 and website, John Trolinger. Do I hear a motion to approve 22 the indicated personnel? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 8-13-12 57 1 indicated. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 2 raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 5 (No response.) 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Item 19; consider 7 and discuss approving of the polling locations in accordance 8 with Chapter 43 of the Texas Election Code. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question. 10 MS. ALFORD: Yes, sir? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 308, we're going to have access 12 to that building? We're sure? 13 MS. ALFORD: As far as I know. I don't -- I have 14 not been told anything different. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because isn't that property for 16 sale? 17 MS. ALFORD: Yes, I believe it is. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. Is there a way to do -- 19 what do we do if it sells and we don't have access? 20 MS. ALFORD: I'll have to come back to -- find 21 another location for 308 and come back to the Court and get 22 it approved. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that would -- you know, 24 there's a -- do we have time to do that? 25 MS. ALFORD: I have to -- see, this month is when I 8-13-12 58 1 need to send it to Department of Justice to get it approved 2 if we have to change that one. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there a -- a way to do an 4 alternate location? Does it -- to have the primary and -- 5 MS. ALFORD: I wouldn't see why we couldn't do 6 that. We could set this one for the general for November, 7 and if it sells between now and then, if we find a location, 8 we could go ahead and do that too. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. And then on 303, 10 obviously, I know you're aware there's a lot of discontent 11 with that location, because it's nowhere near the precinct -- 12 or it's in the precinct, but barely. 13 MS. ALFORD: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I visited with -- is there any 15 way we can hold it back at the Cypress Creek Community 16 Center? 17 MS. ALFORD: We can go back to the Cypress Creek 18 Community Center. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I'm talking to the board 20 out there about the possibility of doing some restrooms and 21 things of that nature, where maybe -- that's a situation 22 which I know has been a problem in that location. 23 MS. ALFORD: Correct, yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And some other upgrades. And 25 my preference would be to put it back there. 8-13-12 59 1 MS. ALFORD: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it is not a good 3 location to have it so far away from where the majority of 4 the people live in that precinct. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Where is Falling Water? 6 Which one of these? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Falling Water would be Precinct 8 303. It's a lot closer for them. I mean, it's almost a 30- 9 40-mile -- 30-mile drive from Falling Water, probably. Or 10 20, 25 miles. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: What would you submit as an 12 alternate to the Calvary Temple Church that's subject to 13 sale? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The alternate would be Lane 15 Valley Community Center. It's where the elections used to be 16 held. They're looking to do some upgrades in that facility 17 which would make it, you know, I think usable. And I think 18 long-term, it's probably where it needs to get moved back to 19 that community center, and I think it's a good use of it, and 20 it's very centrally located in that precinct. So, I would 21 recommend 303 go back to the Cypress Creek Community Center, 22 even though it's not the best of locations from a facility 23 standpoint, but it's the only one we really have in that 24 area. And then as an alternate for 308, Lane Valley 25 Community Center. 8-13-12 60 1 MS. ALFORD: That's fine with me. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: And with those adjustments, you are 3 moving for approval? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 8 indicated for the locations as submitted, with the addition 9 of the alternate on 308, and the change of 303, moving that 10 to Cypress Creek Community Center. Question or discussion on 11 the motion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 12 hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 15 (No response.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Item 20 is to 17 consider and discuss ordering the general election. General 18 election being ordered for November the 6th, 2012, here in 19 Kerr County. Do I hear a motion for approval? 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Motion to approve. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 23 approval of the agenda item, to order the general election as 24 indicated. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 25 raising your right hand. 8-13-12 61 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 3 (No response.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Okay. 5 MS. ALFORD: Thank you. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go back to Item 4; to 7 consider, discuss, take appropriate action on implementation 8 of the burn ban. I put this on the agenda. The 90 days has 9 come and gone, and we're ready to do it again. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 13 approval. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 14 raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Item 5 is to 19 consider, discuss, take appropriate action to engage Peter 20 Lewis to do preliminary layout and/or floor plan for 21 unfinished portion of Kerr County Sheriff's Office Annex for 22 prospective use as 198th District Attorney's office, and 23 prepare cost estimate of finish-out of office premises. Is 24 Mr. Monroe with us here this morning? I had a discussion 25 with Mr. Monroe. As most of you know, the 198th District 8-13-12 62 1 Attorney's office does not have a home here locally come 2 January 1. We have unfinished space out at the Sheriff's 3 Office annex, a portion of which is being utilized as a 4 county fitness center, primarily for the Sheriff's Office, 5 but available for use for other county employees on a 6 temporary basis. Another portion of that is unfinished. And 7 the District Attorney -- I'll call him "elect" for lack of a 8 better term, even though he hasn't survived a general 9 election, because he has no democratic opponent -- has 10 inquired about the possibility of using that space. I asked 11 that Mr. Lewis be authorized to -- at exceedingly low cost, 12 to come up with a possible layout for that. Mr. Lewis had a 13 big smile on his face when I said that, indicating his 14 willingness to help. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's not what I got out of 16 it. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh, it isn't? (Laughter.) And I 18 suspect he may have already had some discussions with 19 Mr. Monroe. If not, why, he'll need to do that. But, you 20 know, when we -- when we left that space unfinished a few 21 years ago, that was one of the possible thoughts that we had 22 in mind as possible users of that space, and so it just takes 23 a while to get there, I suppose. Maybe that won't ever 24 happen. But he's got -- he's got to know if it will work for 25 him. I think there's a total of about 1,600 square feet 8-13-12 63 1 there that would be available. And, you know, insofar as 2 where that funding's going to come from, obviously, 3 Mr. Monroe cannot encumber the 198th District Attorney's 4 budget at this point, so where would that money come from, 5 Ms. Hargis? She had her head down about as low as she could 6 get it down so that she wouldn't be recognized. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: She and Peter both. 8 MS. HARGIS: We can take it out of professional 9 fees for right now. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Out of nondepartmental, 11 professional? 12 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you talking about two 14 attorneys and two secretarial-type folks, or what are you 15 talking about? 16 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm not sure he's looking at 17 staffing requirements at this particular point in time. I'm 18 not sure what all that -- what that's going to entail. He's 19 struggling with that, as you know, because of trying to keep 20 the budget limited, but at the same time not have this 21 sticker shock when they run out of that forfeiture money. He 22 doesn't want that to happen either, which you can't blame him 23 for. He's -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No kidding. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: -- trying to create some continuity 8-13-12 64 1 and predictability in that budget. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Of course, as we all know, 3 the district level people, you have to watch them to make 4 sure that you take out the heliports and all those things. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Unless, of course, they are 6 multi-use for county officials also. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Could you use it too? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Obviously, we probably want to think 9 about putting a cap on that. Would $2,500 handle that, 10 Mr. Lewis? 11 MR. LEWIS: I have not -- the first time I became 12 aware of this was by reading the agenda item last week, so I 13 really -- I don't know anything about the scope of what his 14 expectations are. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, you're -- you're intimately 16 familiar with the -- 17 MR. LEWIS: I am, in fact. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: -- with the project, because you 19 designed it originally. 20 MR. LEWIS: I would like to discuss this outside of 21 court with -- with Mr. Monroe and with Commissioners before I 22 make any commitments, please. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, if we're going to be doing a 24 build-out, we probably want to be getting high and behind it. 25 MR. LEWIS: Be my pleasure. 8-13-12 65 1 JUDGE TINLEY: We need to get on down the road with 2 it. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Two weeks, I think. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two weeks couldn't hurt. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Give him two weeks to get 6 kind of up to speed on what it is, what his scope might be. 7 MR. LEWIS: He may want two levels there, an 8 elevator. I just don't know. (Laughter.) 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: To the heliport. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Might be a loft in there. There 11 would be space for a loft. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: An escalator. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think he's got that in mind, 14 but you'll need to talk to him. 15 MR. LEWIS: I will. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you think that the -- is 17 this one of those areas where the other counties in the 198th 18 will be able to share in the cost? 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I have talked to Mr. Monroe 20 about the cost of the build-out, and he -- he thinks there -- 21 there are other funds that might be available for 22 accomplishing that other than Kerr County funds. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: That are unique to the district. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A lot of things unique to that 8-13-12 66 1 district. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Two weeks. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He doesn't have anything else 5 to do. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: That's right. Yeah, we better run 7 you out of work. You need something to do. 8 MR. LEWIS: I do, in fact. Appreciate it. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Let's move on to Item 7; 10 to discuss and approve homeowners for O.S.S.F. assistance at 11 the following addresses as part of the County's 710065 12 O.S.S.F. grant, that being 124 Hackberry Street in Center 13 Point, being in Hill River -- Hill River Country Estates, and 14 103 Ash Drive in Ingram, part of Westwood Oaks. Mr. Garcia, 15 you're wanting to add those to the remediation project? 16 MR. GARCIA: Yes, we are. This would make a total 17 of 13 thus far -- 18 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's great. 19 MR. GARCIA: -- that have completed the 20 requirements and have qualified, and now we're asking for the 21 approval of these two. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: How many more does it look like we 23 might be able to squeeze into this grant? 24 MR. GARCIA: These are the last two that we've had. 25 We haven't had any other inquiries about it, so I don't know. 8-13-12 67 1 At this -- at this point, this seems like these are the last 2 two. But, again, you know, as these folks see that these 3 things are getting installed, and word's going out that they 4 are actually getting these on a grant and they owe no money 5 to anybody, you know -- 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: This makes 13 total, correct? 7 MR. GARCIA: Yes, with these two right here. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Move approval of the agenda 10 item. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 14 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 15 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 18 (No response.) 19 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion carries. Item 8; to 20 consider, discuss, take appropriate action to authorize the 21 County Auditor to do audits for E.S.D. Number 1 and E.S.D. 22 Number 2. Commissioner Oehler? 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This is just an annual -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Another year, another audit? 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I know the Auditor just loves 8-13-12 68 1 doing it, so I move that we approve -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- her to do the audits of 4 E.S.D. 1 and 2. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 6 approval. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 7 raising your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed same sign. Motion 10 carries. Item 10 is to consider, discuss, take appropriate 11 action to approve memorandum of understanding between 12 Guadalupe Blanco River Authority, Upper Guadalupe River 13 Authority, Kendall County, Kerr County Commissioners Court, 14 Kendall County Water Control Improvement District Number 1, 15 Headwaters Groundwater Conservation District, and Cow Creek 16 Groundwater Conservation District to work together to prepare 17 water study for regional water supply for eastern Kerr County 18 and western Kendall County. Commissioner Letz? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is an item -- we had it on 20 the agenda last month. All these entities have had several 21 meetings together, and the purpose of the M.O.U. is to really 22 provide the framework to go forward with a grant to Water 23 Development Board for a regional water supply study. There's 24 no commitment of funds by any of the parties right now. It's 25 really just more to -- it's a requirement of the grant to get 8-13-12 69 1 everyone on the same page. There is a special fund at Water 2 Development Board for this purpose, and it's kind of just to 3 move this forward. All of the parties have signed. I 4 brought -- I was the first one of us to bring it forward, and 5 then a couple of them wanted to make some changes, so we 6 pulled it. And the version we now have is essentially the 7 same, very minor changes. But it's been approved by all of 8 the parties so far, and it's kind of -- it's an exciting 9 thing from the standpoint that a lot of governmental entities 10 are working together on this. It's felt that it'll -- and 11 it's limited to water supply. But it's an area of Kerr 12 County and of Kendall County that is in need of water. 13 The last time we discussed this, I think the Judge 14 brought it up about incorporating the city of Kerrville into 15 it. I think it is broad enough right now that it certainly 16 could be -- they could be added as a party to the agreement 17 as the city. I didn't want to really go backwards on it; you 18 know, have that discussion, but "east Kerr County" is a 19 pretty broad area, and I think it certainly could include the 20 city of Kerrville if they wish to participate, and I'll visit 21 with them as we go forward. The lead party on this will 22 probably be -- my hope is it will be Upper Guadalupe River 23 Authority, but it could be Guadalupe-Blanco River Authority, 24 one of those two, or maybe jointly. I've talked with Ray 25 Buck, and I think he's pretty much like-minded on that. So, 8-13-12 70 1 that's kind of it, and I'll make a motion to approve. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 4 approval of the agenda item. Further question or discussion? 5 All in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 6 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 7 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 8 (No response.) 9 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go to 10 Item 11; to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 11 set a public hearing on the proposed Kerr County budget for 12 fiscal year 2012-13 at 10 a.m. on August 27th, 2012. I put 13 this on the agenda as a -- a routine required item as we go 14 forward to get things in place for our next fiscal year, one 15 of which is the public hearing and then subsequent approval 16 of the budget. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, let me ask you a 18 question. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes, sir. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I think we have this 21 conversation every year it rolls around. This is regarding 22 the proposed budget. That would be your budget. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. And that does not 25 mean that the Commissioners Court can go back and rework that 8-13-12 71 1 some? 2 JUDGE TINLEY: That does not mean they can't? No, 3 it means -- the statute says that I file a budget, as budget 4 officer. And then prior to approval, the Commissioners 5 Court -- I don't have the exact language, but can make any 6 change warranted under the law, or under appropriate 7 circumstances. It's some general language. The Court has 8 any -- has authority to make whatever changes the Court 9 desires to make. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just a public hearing. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, this is a public hearing. 12 We'll get input from the public. Then there will be another 13 agenda item for approval of the budget. And, of course, at 14 that point in time, the Court will be in a position to be 15 aware of the public's concerns, number one, and number two, 16 offer up any changes that they feel are appropriate to the 17 budget on file. I just -- I just filed the budget last 18 Friday, as I'm sure you're aware -- or my budget. Not -- I 19 shouldn't call it "the" budget, because it's my budget. So, 20 at that point in time, under the statute, is where any -- any 21 changes which the Court wishes to make or items to look into, 22 they can certainly do so at that time. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to be clear 24 about that. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8-13-12 72 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, if at the -- you know, 3 at the future date, if the Court changes the budget and 4 adopts a different budget, is there another public hearing? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: No. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. No. 7 MR. HENNEKE: No need for one. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. Just -- I just wanted 9 to -- I thought that was correct. I just wanted to... 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We need to set the public 13 hearing. I move we set the public hearing for the proposed 14 county -- Kerr County budget for fiscal year '12-'13 at 15 10 a.m. August 27th, 2012. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 18 indicated. Further question or discussion? All in favor, 19 signify by raising your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 22 (No response.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's go to 24 Item 12; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 25 discuss the proposed tax rate, and if the proposed tax rate 8-13-12 73 1 will exceed the rollback rate or the effective tax rate, 2 whichever is lower, then it'll be necessary to take a record 3 vote and schedule a public hearing or hearings. As -- as a 4 way of introduction, I have not heard any rumblings from any 5 member of the Court that there's a remote possibility that a 6 tax rate will be set which will exceed the rollback rate, 7 which is the lower of the -- excuse me, which will be set 8 higher than the effective tax rate, which is the lower of the 9 rollback rate and the effective tax rate. If there's a 10 member of the Court that thinks that may be a possibility, 11 that it'll be -- that it'll be greater than the effective tax 12 rate, why, probably now is the time to speak up. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you -- are you referring 14 to this Court? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes. Yeah, this, one. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't think so. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Does any member of the Court 18 wish further discussion? Or do we just move on? Hearing 19 nothing further, we will move on to Item 13; to consider, 20 discuss, take appropriate action to authorize publication 21 notice of consideration and adoption of proposed 2012 Kerr 22 County tax rates on August 27th, 2012, at 10:30 a.m. Here 23 again, this is another publication requirement that we have 24 to do. I don't know that separate court action is necessary, 25 but I thought it's a good idea, just in case someone at some 8-13-12 74 1 point in time may have thought it took Commissioners Court 2 approval, to put it on there out of an abundance of caution. 3 The statute says we got to publish notice of the 4 consideration and adoption of the tax rates anyway, but it's 5 on the agenda for your approval, gentlemen. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Essentially, this is notifying 7 the public that we're going to adopt the tax rate on the 8 27th? 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, that's all that is. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And if we chose -- and if, for 11 some reason, we chose not to do it on the 27th, we just don't 12 take action on it on the 27th. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: That would be the -- one of the 14 options, yeah. If there's -- if there's no firm decision 15 made, correct. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I didn't hear the motion. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion to authorize 20 the publication of notification of adoption of tax rate on 21 August 27th, 10:30 a.m. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: And you seconded, Commissioner? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I knew what was 24 coming. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. We have a motion and a 8-13-12 75 1 second on the agenda item. Further question or discussion? 2 All in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 5 (No response.) 6 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Item 15 is 7 to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to authorize 8 publication notice of proposed salary increases, expenses and 9 allowances for the elected county and precinct officials of 10 Kerr County for FY 2012-13. Again, a statutorily required 11 item, so out of an abundance of caution, I have put it on the 12 agenda for the Court's approval, even though the statute says 13 that's what you do. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, on this item, if the 15 Court -- again, if it makes a modification to the budget 16 at -- at that meeting, my -- I can see that the action may 17 not be until the following meeting. I mean, I can just see a 18 scenario where there's several changes that, you know, I or 19 someone else on the Court may want to look at this total 20 budget again. If that takes place, are we doing something 21 premature here? Or is that going to -- do we have to do a 22 notice? I mean, I just want to make sure that -- you know, I 23 don't want to get too far down the road on the budget, on a 24 budget that is your budget at the moment, and not the Court's 25 budget. 8-13-12 76 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, this notification in that 2 respect, which is required by statute, is to be given in 3 accordance with the budget on file now. If there should be 4 changes that do not exceed what's in the budget now, there 5 would be no requirement for any additional public notice. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So if the budget is smaller, 7 you're saying -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: When you say "do not exceed," 10 you mean the amount of expenditures -- total expenditures is 11 less? 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. But this is what -- 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Being as there are salary 14 increases proposed for elected officials is why this notice 15 has to be published. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: If there are any, we're required by 17 law to give public notice of those. That's exactly right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What the statute says. That's 19 what, 14? 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: We skipped 14, I think. Did 21 we skip 14? 22 MS. PIEPER: Yes. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: We need to come back to 14. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought we were on 14. I'm 25 sorry. 8-13-12 77 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: So, 15, we'll discuss that on 2 the 27th; is that correct? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: If there's any changes. We 5 won't have to make that decision today. That's at the 27th; 6 is that correct? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: That's what -- that's what it's 8 advertised for, correct. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I see. That's when that will 10 be decided on. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did you call 14? 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Apparently, I did not. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. I've got a comment if 14 you ever do. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: I meant to, but somehow I -- you 16 know, I'm sorry, we're on 15. I should have been on 14, but 17 I've already called 15. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Again, the 27th is when we 20 will make discussions and comments; is that correct? 21 JUDGE TINLEY: That's when the -- that's when 22 the -- 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: -- publication notice will be for. 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. That's -- thank you. 8-13-12 78 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Do I hear a motion for approval of 2 15, for the authorizing public notice -- publication of 3 notice? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 7 indicated. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 8 raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. My apologies for 13 not doing 14 before 15. I don't know what caused me to jump 14 that one. I'll call Item 14; to consider, discuss, take 15 appropriate action to authorize publication notice of public 16 hearing on consideration and adoption of Kerr County budget 17 for FY 2012-13 on August 27th, 2012, at 10 a.m. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, do you want to insert 19 the word "proposed" budget? 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That -- we'll be considering 21 the budget at this point. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Or is this the real deal? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Considering the budget that 24 he's submitted. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That he proposed? 8-13-12 79 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Under Item 11, we set the public 2 hearing on the proposed budget. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, yeah. Okay. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The thought is that on the 27th, 5 we're going to try and get ahead of the game, not do it at 6 the eleventh hour. There's been some expression from members 7 of the Court, and also the folks that have to get in the 8 trenches and crunch these numbers, to try and give a little 9 lead time on this. But at that time, that'll be the public 10 hearing on the proposed budget. Until this Court finally 11 moves to adopt the budget as it may adjust or modify in 12 whatever manner it sees fit, it's not the budget. But this 13 would authorize the publication for the public hearing on the 14 consideration of that budget. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Who made the motion? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You. (Laughter.) Why not? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't recall that. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Go for it. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this is the comment I made 21 a minute ago, when I thought we were on 14, is that this is 22 the one that I can see us not taking action on at the next 23 meeting, because it very well -- 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But we could if we wanted to. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We could. 8-13-12 80 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: This gives us the ability to 2 do so. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Ability to do so, but if 4 there's some changes, I'm not going to be real inclined to 5 vote on it -- 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- until I see the bottom line 8 again. I'll move approval. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: That was your second now. Right, 11 Commissioner Baldwin? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Motion made and seconded 14 for approval of the agenda item. Further question or 15 discussion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 16 hand. 17 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 19 (No response.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Okay. Why 21 don't we take us about a 15-, 20-minute recess. 22 (Recess taken from 10:38 a.m. to 11:02 a.m.) 23 - - - - - - - - - - 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, let's come back to order, if 25 we might, from our recess, and go to Item 16; to consider, 8-13-12 81 1 discuss, and take appropriate action to renew child support 2 state case registry/local customer service contract with the 3 Office of the Attorney General. 4 MS. UECKER: Mm-hmm. Same thing we do every year. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: It costs us no money, right? 6 MS. UECKER: Costs us no money. I have the two 7 originals. It's the state case registry and local customer 8 service. We do get money for performing the local customer 9 service per case from the A.G.'s office. One thing I did 10 notice this morning that I want to do before I get it to you 11 is, they're asking for us to update our incident response 12 plan, which means -- I don't know. It's the A.G.'s office, 13 you know. It's a list of the contacts in our office, the 14 deputies, and I'll correct that and get it to you as soon as 15 possible if the Court approves this plan. Something from the 16 feds. Same thing we do every year. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Trickle down, okay. 18 MS. UECKER: Trickles down. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Do I hear a motion for approval? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to approve 23 the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in favor, 24 signify by raising your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8-13-12 82 1 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 2 (No response.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. 4 MS. UECKER: I'll get it to you this afternoon, 5 gentlemen. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to Item 21, if we 7 might; consider, discuss, take appropriate action on summary 8 of current property values and ad valorem taxes. I'm not 9 sure what appropriate action we can take other than say, 10 "Gee, thanks." We can't change the numbers, can we? 11 MS. BOLIN: No, we can't change the numbers. I 12 fixed a little spreadsheet for y'all, since you requested 13 information on Monday -- last Monday. I need one; you can 14 have the rest. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Okay. 16 MS. BOLIN: And Cheryl always get one. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about my friend, the 18 County Attorney? 19 MS. BOLIN: No, he doesn't get one. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Does he get one? 21 MS. BOLIN: No, but there might be an extra one. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He looks all rested and 23 relaxed. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't know what the deal 25 is with him. 8-13-12 83 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Hasn't said a word. Sitting 2 back, smiling still. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So you're not as important 4 as we are? I'll let you have it when we get through, though. 5 MS. BOLIN: This just gives you the -- how much our 6 tax base is going up or down. You can see over -- the 7 over-65 assessed values and the taxable values; you can see 8 that continues to go up, so that's what we're losing each 9 year for over-65 exemptions. The same with the disabled 10 person and the 100 percent disabled veterans. Those over at 11 the far right is money that we get zero taxes on, regardless. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, the column that says 13 "difference" and red numbers are the losses? 14 MS. BOLIN: Correct. 15 MS. HARGIS: Well, that whole over-65 comes out of 16 the value. 17 MS. BOLIN: Right. 18 MS. HARGIS: That's just how it's gone up. On the 19 over-65, that column difference just is how much it's gone up 20 a year from the prior year. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right. 22 MS. HARGIS: But you can see that it's steadily 23 increased. But the disabled veterans is not as -- really not 24 as great. It fluctuates a little bit, but the other one has 25 a steady increase. 8-13-12 84 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What is the total -- you may 2 not -- I mean, maybe you do know. What is the percent of 3 taxed frozen properties that we have currently in Kerr County 4 right now? 5 MS. BOLIN: Do you know the percent, Sharon? 6 MS. CAPEHART: Percent? Not offhand, but you can 7 look at the total right here. This is the assessed on the 8 frozen, which is one -- one million, 211. 9 MS. BOLIN: Okay. The -- 10 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: About 25 percent? 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What do you get? Are you 13 basing that on a one, one, with 4094? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. I'm guessing, you know. 15 MS. BOLIN: What did we figure, 45 percent was over 16 65? Is that what we were talking about on Friday? 17 MS. CAPEHART: It's about 60 percent. 18 MS. BOLIN: 60 percent are over 65. 19 MS. CAPEHART: Of the homesteads. But when you're 20 looking at the appraised value here versus here, that would 21 work out to 25 percent, wouldn't it? 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Are we talking about the number of 23 properties or the total value of properties? 24 MS. HARGIS: The value is probably about a third. 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Value is 30 percent? 8-13-12 85 1 MS. HARGIS: It's about -- it's about a third. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 3 MS. BOLIN: About what? 4 MS. HARGIS: A third. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 6 MS. HARGIS: 'Cause your total roll is a million, 7 34, and they're a million, 117. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: One of the other questions 9 that we asked last week, did we happen to find out -- do we 10 know how much new growth of commercial tax-accessible 11 property's being increased, and we determine what our loss is 12 as well as far as taxable with business? 13 MS. CAPEHART: With business, everything is pretty 14 much flat here in Kerr County. Other than new businesses 15 and, you know, new construction that we're picking up. You 16 know, we've been lucky to hold the values on our residents. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: So, we're basing most of this 18 off -- off personal property or residences, is what you're 19 saying; is that correct? So we've been staying flat? 20 MS. CAPEHART: Our values are pretty much staying 21 flat. 22 MS. BOLIN: What's really helped, we got a new 23 system called Pictometry a couple years ago. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Uh-huh. 25 MR. BOLLIER: And they have captured a lot of 8-13-12 86 1 values that they can't physically get out to see. 2 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 3 MS. BOLIN: And that is what's helped us stay 4 without a decrease in appraisal value. 5 MS. CAPEHART: We have picked up a lot of high-end 6 homes that have been behind fences that we cannot gain access 7 to. But with our Pictometry, we're able to take appropriate 8 measurements and add them to the rolls, and we've been doing 9 lots of back-assessing, you know, recouping. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Lots of back-assessing? 11 MS. CAPEHART: Back-assessing. Basically, what -- 12 if a home has been there at least five years, we're required 13 by law to back-assess, so we've been doing some 14 back-assessing. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: How are you able to determine how 16 long it's been there if you're just now having Pictometry to 17 do that? 18 MS. CAPEHART: Basically, we're able to kind of 19 tell how long it's been there, and we send them a letter, and 20 then they'll come and talk to us. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: What if they choose not to come and 22 talk to you? You just go back five years? 23 MS. CAPEHART: We go back five years. They have a 24 30-day period in which to talk to us and discuss it. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They've been doing that for a 8-13-12 87 1 long time. I remember -- I remember from years and years 2 ago, before they had all this stuff, they picked up an old 3 barn on the back part of our property, and all of a sudden 4 they put a $50,000 value on it and went back. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: That $200,000 barn on your property 6 that you're talking about? (Laughter.) 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's an old barn. Trust me, 8 it's not worth -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I couldn't resist, Buster. 10 MS. BOLIN: Kathy, this is Sharon Capehart. 11 (Discussion off the record.) 12 MS. BOLIN: Fourth was not able to be with us. His 13 mother is not well at all, so he's by her side. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions on this 15 particular issue? Okay. Let's move on to Item 22. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Consider, discuss, take appropriate 18 action on a resolution to Upper Guadalupe River Authority 19 requesting funding for the rainwater harvesting system at the 20 Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center. Commissioner Oehler? 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, sir. I have been in 22 touch with the U.G.R.A. and Ray Buck, and I've also attended 23 one of the board meetings to make a presentation to talk 24 about the rainwater harvesting system that we're putting up 25 at the new event center and show barn, and so I was asked to 8-13-12 88 1 use this format in requesting funding. And I guess I could 2 read it into the record, because it says a lot of things 3 that -- I believe the reason why that we're doing it this 4 way. So, here's the resolution that our County Attorney 5 wrote, and I think it pretty well covers most other things. 6 It says, "Whereas, the Kerr County Environmental 7 Health Department is the designated agent by the State of 8 Texas, through its Texas Commission on Environmental Quality, 9 for environmental protection and enforcement; and whereas, 10 K.C.E.H.D. protects the environment of Kerr County through 11 its enforcement of solid waste public nuisances, illegal 12 dumping, and illegal burning laws under Texas Water Code and 13 Texas Health and Safety Code, and abatement and containment 14 and initiation of cleanup of chemical spills into public 15 waterways; whereas, K.C.E.H.D. protects our community's 16 rivers and drinking water by insuring that all our on-site 17 sewage facilities are installed in accordance with the Texas 18 law and regulations and enforcing state laws prohibiting the 19 illegal installation of O.S.S.F. systems and other water 20 pollution; and whereas, K.C.E.H.D., through its director, Ray 21 Garcia, was recognized for its excellence through receipt in 22 2012 of Texas Environmental Excellence Award from T.C.E.Q.; 23 and whereas, in addition to environmental protection and 24 enforcement, Kerr County seeks to implement water pollution 25 prevention and conservation infrastructure as part of its 8-13-12 89 1 improvements to the facilities at the Kerr County Youth Event 2 Center; and whereas, Kerr County specifically, through its 3 K.C.E.H.D., fully supports the mission of the Upper Guadalupe 4 River Authority to conserve and reclaim surface water through 5 the preservation and distribution of water resources for 6 future growth in order to maintain and enhance the quality of 7 life for all of Kerr County citizens. Therefore, be it 8 resolved the Kerr County Commissioners Court does hereby 9 request that U.G.R.A. recognize the service provided by 10 environmental protection in this community by Kerr County 11 Environmental Health Department; and be it further resolved 12 that the Kerr County Commissioners Court does hereby request 13 the Board of Directors for U.G.R.A. partner with Kerr County 14 in funding a rainwater catchment and reuse system as part of 15 the current improvements planned for the Kerr County Youth 16 Exhibition Center. Adopted this 13th day of August, 2012." 17 And so I -- this was the way that they asked for us 18 to request funding, and I think that -- hope we get some 19 support. We've already had support from Headwaters saying 20 that they're going to agree to help fund, and this is a 21 way -- I think it would be great deal for U.G.R.A. to support 22 this project. So, I move that we adopt the resolution and 23 have the Judge and all of us sign it and send it over to 24 U.G.R.A. for consideration. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 8-13-12 90 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 2 adoption of the resolution. Question or discussion? All in 3 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 5 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 6 (No response.) 7 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's go to 8 Item 23; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action 9 regarding contract with Texas Department of Public Safety for 10 the Failure to Appear program. I put this on the agenda in 11 response to communication that I received from Texas 12 Department of Public Safety. This has to do with our 13 cooperative program. When a person goes to renew their 14 driver's license, if they have an outstanding matter due to 15 Kerr County in the way of traffic fines or something of that 16 nature, there's a pop-up at the -- at the driver's license 17 office that essentially requires them to clear up their 18 pending business before they get a new license issued to 19 them. So, that's the whole part and parcel of the program. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I'm a big fan of 21 this. Always have been, although it's fairly new. But does 22 this include our Collections department? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm not sure if we can -- obviously, 24 it would only be for matters which are delinquent. If 25 there's a plan already set up, and they're current with their 8-13-12 91 1 plan, it would not be appropriate for us to turn that in. I 2 frankly don't know if you can piggy-back any outstanding 3 delinquent matters on there. The Sheriff's shaking his head 4 no. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, I think this is just 6 Class C's. Is Collections dealing with Class C's, or are 7 they just county and district court? These are normally your 8 traffic -- you know, issuances of Class C's that go through 9 the J.P. court. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I just know -- 11 MR. HENNEKE: J.P.'s do their own courts. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And I think they fall in -- 13 they send it in to this, and that's the ones that get it. 14 So, going through your Collections department, I don't think 15 so, Buster. I think they're two totally different deals. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well actually, I -- this 17 program is offered to our Collections people. They talked 18 about it and looked at it, and -- and it's something to do 19 maybe with the license plates as well. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The license plates I think you 21 can do, 'cause there is a program for that. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Whatever. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But I don't know if they do 24 anything above Class C's. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Whatever. I like it. 8-13-12 92 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's a good program. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Regardless. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: "Whatever it is, I like it"? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I like it. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Talking about making money 7 here. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: And you're moving to enter into that 9 contract? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: With great honor. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. We have a motion. Do I hear 12 a second? 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second to 15 approve the agenda item to contract with the Texas Department 16 of Public Safety for that purpose. Question or discussion? 17 All in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 18 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 19 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 20 (No response.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Let's go to Item 22 24; to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 23 review policy for booking events at the Hill Country Youth 24 Exhibit Center for 2013. Commissioner Letz? You put this 25 hot potato on. I think I'll just let you have it. 8-13-12 93 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, it appears to me that 2 we're going to have a facility available to rent January 1st. 3 And -- 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Probably February 1st is more 5 like it, because stock show's got it all of January. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Technically. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Next year. And most of the -- 9 the people or events that use that book way in advance. And 10 talking with Jody, she wanted to -- really wanted me to put 11 it on the agenda, so I did what I was told. (Laughter.) But 12 I think we need to figure out what we're going to do with 13 that next. If we are going to start leasing that new 14 facility, the next agenda item is how much we're going to 15 charge for that facility. 'Cause I think, you know, we kind 16 of had a lot of things in disarray out there, and not 17 leasing, and leasing and then not leasing, and it's been 18 causing problems with our bookings. And I think that, you 19 know, we need to kind of put that behind us, 'cause I think 20 we know where we're going with the -- this next year, anyway. 21 And down the road, we may have to look at the exhibit hall 22 issue, but right now I think we probably can start leasing 23 the whole facility again. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I agree with you. I mean, 25 it's time to discuss that, but come up with what kind of -- 8-13-12 94 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I ask a question right 2 quick? Are you talking about the new building? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes, the show barn. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If I remember right, they 5 have had 900 people -- they've served dinner to 900 people in 6 the old one, the telephone company or something like that, 7 900. And how many are we going to be able to seat and feed 8 in the new one? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This could be used for that, 11 but it's not going to be the air-conditioned space like the 12 exhibit hall. The new -- this space, you could easily seat 13 2,500 people, 2,000 at least. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wouldn't that be an 15 attraction to the community? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sure. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. But the -- I mean, but 18 this part of the current exhibit hall isn't changing yet. I 19 mean, hopefully it will. So, the 900 is still the max for 20 an -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- HVAC-type -- 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's marginal. You'd have 24 to stack them in like sardines. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But this is really more for the 8-13-12 95 1 barn portion. Anyway, this agenda item is really just to 2 kick off whether we're going to start leasing it, and then 3 what are we -- if we're going to make it available for lease, 4 I guess we can call the next agenda item and then 5 start leasing it. 6 MR. HENNEKE: Do we know what other similar venues 7 charge, what their policies are? Y'all went out and looked 8 at San Angelo, I think, or Bastrop. 9 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: We have some of those. From 10 what I remember and gather, we did a presentation last year. 11 I think we -- Commissioner Oehler, I think we've got some of 12 those numbers, probably, to pull that out and -- what San 13 Angelo charged and San Antonio charged, and even Glen Rose. 14 So, I mean, that may be something to help you with -- 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't remember exactly what 16 those numbers are. I didn't really -- 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What is proposed right there 18 is what we have right now, correct? 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's what we have right 20 now. There never was any lease for the hog barn, because it 21 wasn't utilized for anything except stock show, so this is a 22 facility we've never had before. And I think it ought to be 23 something on the order of -- you know, being as it's not 24 heated and air-conditioned space, and what we're trying to do 25 is get people into town, I think we ought to try to not get 8-13-12 96 1 too crazy on the lease. Otherwise, we'll have the same 2 problem we had with the outdoor arena. We had that so high 3 nobody would use it, and now that we've lowered it, it's 4 starting to get some use. But I would say, you know, 5 somewhere between 400 and 500 a day for that -- for that 6 building, to be used for whatever anybody wants to lease it 7 for. Lawful, Buster. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Anything that's lawful. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Lawful? 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We could start off and see 12 what -- you know, what -- where we go, but we won't be able 13 to lease it until February 1st for sure. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But eventually -- 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We can adjust this at any 16 time we want to. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think San Angelo would be a 18 good starting point to look at that figure, at least a 19 starting point. Maybe they're too high, but at least it's 20 something to look at. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And we're going to be 22 under -- hopefully be under construction on Phase II, and 23 that's going to somewhat limit -- not totally limit, because 24 we can pass that off separately. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jody, what are we leasing right 8-13-12 97 1 now, and what are we not leasing? Are we leasing the exhibit 2 hall? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For next year? 5 MS. GRINSTEAD: No, you told me not to. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Coming down. 7 MS. GRINSTEAD: The last order we had was do not 8 use -- or lease the exhibit hall. We can try to do the show 9 barn as the backup, but people aren't interested with no air 10 conditioning and no heating, so I'm kind of -- so any private 11 party, I've basically said we're not renting it until we know 12 what's happening. But now I've got our -- like, you approved 13 the Hill Country Agility in April to use either facility, 14 whether the exhibit hall is available or the show barn. But 15 now I've got Texas Gun and Knife, and the goat sales are 16 starting to call. I mean, I need some direction. And since 17 we don't know what's happening with the exhibit hall, like, 18 Texas Gun and Knife is probably not going to rent it at all. 19 They do not want the show barn, so probably in 2013, they're 20 not going to come at all. And so I just want to make sure 21 that's what you want me to continue telling people, because 22 we will start losing the ones that have come year after year 23 since well before I started booking it. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I would say use the new show 25 barn for, like, the agility stuff, at the same rate they paid 8-13-12 98 1 at the -- 2 JUDGE TINLEY: In the arena. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- indoor arena. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Tim, you had some issues? 5 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, I just had a question. I don't 6 know if I can even discuss this. Can I discuss the setup 7 fee? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's all -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: That's part of the fees, isn't it? 10 MR. BOLLIER: No, setup fee is totally different. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Let me call Item 25; consider, 12 discuss, take appropriate action to determine rental fee for 13 the new show barn at Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center. 14 That's as to the new show barn, of course. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. 17 MR. BOLLIER: My only question is, do we want to go 18 up on that? I mean, we're only charging $300 setup fee now, 19 and I -- 20 JUDGE TINLEY: It's a much, much larger facility, 21 number one, or is going to be. 22 MR. BOLLIER: That's what I'm saying. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: You know, I think your input would 24 be -- you know, if you want to cogitate on that and figure 25 out what the options are, and what the appropriate fee from 8-13-12 99 1 your standpoint, you think, is to -- you know, we don't want 2 to -- we don't want to hammer on these people. 3 MR. BOLLIER: No. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: But we want to try and recover our 5 costs. 6 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think we ought to put this 8 back on for next meeting, talk about this and get some better 9 ideas of what we need -- the schedule needs to be. And I 10 have no objection whatsoever to leasing that facility in 2013 11 after February 1st. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, it's on -- I mean, it's 13 on the agenda to get the discussion going on it. And, you 14 know, this way I think at least in the interim, Jody can let 15 people know that we are going to have the barn available 16 starting after February 1st. The exhibit hall is still not 17 available. Now, the other option we could do is tell them 18 that you can lease the exhibit hall, and it may not be there; 19 as a backup, you go into the barn. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: I think she's telling them that now. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: Yeah, that's what I was instructed. 23 But, again, a lot of people don't have an interest if there's 24 no heating and air. Which Texas Gun and Knife is the first 25 one that I've -- I told her this is where we stand. I let 8-13-12 100 1 her know it's going to be back on today's agenda, but she's 2 pretty much -- if the show barn's the only option, they will 3 not be here in 2013. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would say that -- I would 5 make sure that the people are aware that it's not just -- 6 it's not like the hog barn used to be. This is an area 7 that's going to have pretty decent ventilation, you know, 8 and -- 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good access. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- good access. I think it's 11 very similar to a -- a facility, you know, like flea markets 12 and lots of other events that have shows in various towns 13 like that. So, I mean, I -- they need to do what they need 14 to do, but I don't know why it wouldn't be usable for that. 15 I mean, I can see that you may not want to have a dinner out 16 there. But I think any kind of a trade show type function, 17 or a tools show -- 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Dinners would be fine, as 19 long as it's not, you know, 105 degrees outside. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But, you know, we're going to 22 move into the time of year where this thing is -- it's going 23 to have heat in it. I mean, it will have heaters, so 24 wintertime will be, you know, a good time to have stuff out 25 there. 8-13-12 101 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it's going to have lights. 2 I think it's going to be a very usable facility. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think you've also got to 4 remind groups that are waiting that understand that we're in 5 a transition with what's going on with the facilities. I 6 mean, that's just common sense. We're not trying to be rude 7 to them; we're just trying to say we're -- we're making a new 8 facility, and work with us. 9 MS. GRINSTEAD: She understands. She hasn't been 10 nasty about it, but it was just -- 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. 12 MS. GRINSTEAD: You know, I mean, I'll let her know 13 there will be circulation and stuff, but -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I think the -- you 15 know, from a -- when they want to book it, I mean, looking at 16 reality, how long it's going to take once the money is raised 17 for that exhibit hall, you're still going to have, minimum, 18 90 days, probably 160 days before you really start 19 construction, tearing everything down. So, I think you -- 20 there's a risk. That's what I'm saying. I'd encourage them 21 to use the facility as backup. There is an option. It's not 22 like before, when there was a parking lot for them. They 23 have something that may not be ideal, but it is a pretty 24 decent facility for them. And I would be nervous if I was 25 someone renting it for, you know, a year from October, but I 8-13-12 102 1 think in the first half of the year, they're pretty safe. We 2 can't guarantee it, but... 3 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that crystal clear 5 direction? 6 MS. GRINSTEAD: Clear as I'm going to get, so yes. 7 (Laughter.) 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll put the rate structure on 9 the next agenda. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We'll look at those rates at 11 other places. I just think we want to be careful not to get 12 these too high, because we do want the facility to be used, 13 and we do want people to come to town. That's the -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would also think that we're 15 going to want to have, you know, a little bit -- maybe it's 16 just a rope across it, to be able to use the whole thing or 17 part of it. I mean, I can't see a whole lot of functions 18 that are going to need -- 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 48,000 square feet. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 48,000 -- an acre. But 21 there's a lot of them that may need 10,000 square feet, and 22 we'll have to figure out some sort of system to set up from 23 the standpoint that we're not having to clean up the whole 24 place for them. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, the good thing is that 8-13-12 103 1 the back part of that's where the restrooms are, so that 2 would be the part that you want to partition off. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We can do that with panels. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Panels. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Pens or whatever. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's just -- you know. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about the indoor and 10 outdoor arena? Are y'all going to talk about adjusting 11 the -- the fees there? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Stay the same. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. So we got that out of 14 the way, so you're just talking about that one place. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Just talking about the one 16 building. I don't -- I don't propose to -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, if the mayor comes 18 along and wants to have a "Meet the Mayor" party, you know, 19 you're going -- you're talking about the whole dang facility, 20 and you have to do it the wintertime. He needs to understand 21 that, 'cause we have heaters; we don't have air. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Now, you just didn't have to 23 start all that, did you? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, I did. And I'm not 25 through with it, either. I think this is going to be a 8-13-12 104 1 regular part of the monthly meeting of "Honor the Mayor." 2 AUDIENCE: They could heat it with that hot air. 3 (Laughter.) 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If that's what it takes to 5 meet your needs. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Sounds like there's plenty 7 available. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Never in short supply around 9 here. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Can we find a way to trap that 11 during the off time or the off season to make it available in 12 times of -- of priority need? The hot air, I'm talking 13 about. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I understand. But 15 that's just my goal, is to meet his needs. Because we can 16 see beyond our boundaries. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You're just digging yourself 18 deeper. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. Gillespie County's 20 next. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, okay. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. What's the old saying? I 23 don't want all -- I don't want to own all the land; I just 24 want to own my neighbor's. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 8-13-12 105 1 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. We got that one whipped 2 around a little? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's started. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to Item 26; 5 consider, discuss, take appropriate action on application for 6 grant from L.C.R.A. for rainwater catchment system. This, 7 obviously, is at the Youth Exhibit Center. Several months 8 ago, I got the -- the springboard information, and I have 9 recently gotten it to my special projects lady, Ms. Lavender, 10 for consideration of putting that thing together for L.C.R.A. 11 for grant money, again, to contribute towards the cost of 12 this thing. The application is due by September 1, so I've 13 given her immense lead time. But the application needs to be 14 paid in the name of Kerr County, obviously, so I'm just 15 seeking that approval in order to do that. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are we going to -- what's the 17 amount we're going to request? 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Max 25. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: 25. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 25,000. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: As the old saying goes, every little 22 bit helps. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: And the rainwater catchment 24 system is, I know, the big thing. They didn't pass it with 25 lighting and other things like that. So, rainwater's -- 8-13-12 106 1 obviously, that's an eligible cachement system on their 2 application as well? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, they're big-time in the water 4 business too, so -- 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: -- that's something that they're 7 vitally interested in. 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I move that we authorize 10 Ms. Lavender to go forward with the application for a grant 11 from L.C.R.A. for a rainwater catchment system -- 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second that. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- at the event center. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Amount of 25,000. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Amount of 25,000. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And authorize Judge to sign? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, the Judge needs to sign 18 it. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 20 MS. LAVENDER: Can I ask one thing? 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes, ma'am. 22 MS. LAVENDER: Can we start using the same term, 23 either "catchment" or "harvesting," rather than having two 24 different terms talking about the same -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: What term do they use? 8-13-12 107 1 MS. LAVENDER: They don't. I didn't find it in 2 there. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Why don't we say rainwater 4 catchment/harvesting, or harvesting/catchment? 5 MS. LAVENDER: I don't know. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Or figure out which one they like, 7 and just use that one. 8 MS. LAVENDER: Okay. All right. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There you go. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: How does that sound? 11 MS. LAVENDER: Well, we had it in two different 12 places, two different ways, and that was my question. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You may add a third. You could 15 call it a rainwater collection system. 16 MS. LAVENDER: Collection? 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No matter how you slice or 18 dice it, we want to get rainwater off the roof and put it in 19 the barrel. 20 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 21 MS. LAVENDER: We're going to use "cachement," 22 because harvesting is a process. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Catchment is a better word. 24 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Catchment. 25 MS. LAVENDER: Okay. 8-13-12 108 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It is a -- it's a closed 2 system. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: In this particular grant request, 4 whatever terminology L.C.R.A. likes, I'm with them. 5 MS. LAVENDER: All right, thank you. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion and a second. 7 Further question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 8 raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Let's go to Item 13 27; to consider, discuss take appropriate action to approve 14 new sign and name for the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center. 15 And until we change that name, that's what it is, right? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's right. The -- in the 17 backup, there's a -- a sign with a typo on it. But, anyway, 18 after much -- it says "counry," not "country." 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, good lord. I didn't do 20 that. 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What's it say? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They misspelled "country." 23 It's Hill -- should be "Country." Anyway, after going around 24 quite a bit since the last meeting, Commissioner Oehler and I 25 have been back and forth. Peter Lewis has been involved, and 8-13-12 109 1 others. Anyway, this is the sign that we're going with, and 2 need to note that the name of the center is changing -- 3 proposed being changed to the Hill Country Youth Event 4 Center, as opposed to the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center 5 or Exhibition Center. We think it is a much better name, 6 better connotations, and more accurate. And I know the Stock 7 Show Association is on board; they think it's a good move. 8 They like it. The sign will look like this. You know, 9 that's our plan, anyway. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Jon, the word "youth" stays 11 in, though? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. It's Hill Country Youth 13 Event Center. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, I like it. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then across the top of the 16 sign, it will say "Kerr County." So, I think it's a -- and 17 then underneath it, there is the four-line message board -- 18 light board that's in compliance with the city -- 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: LED. The whole sign complies 20 with city ordinance. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: LED. And while it says four 22 lines, which makes it pretty small letters, it's -- you can 23 make it any -- like, one line, two lines, three lines, or 24 four lines -- up to four lines. And we wouldn't want 25 anything smaller than that, anyway. That's the proposal. 8-13-12 110 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's the same amount, no 2 change in the amount for the last proposal, and the money's 3 the same. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that was previously 5 approved. This is just a matter of -- 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Stock show folks like the 7 name change with that? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I think it's more 9 appropriate for what it's going to be, and I really didn't 10 like the use of "exhibition" and "youth" in the same 11 sentence. That just doesn't -- something about that doesn't 12 sound quite right. 13 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Right, that's good. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think this is a -- this is 15 a good change, and I think that this is what needs to be 16 promoted on all of our -- you know, all of the stuff that -- 17 the promotional materials and whatever by the C.V.B. and 18 everybody else that comes to town, instead of calling it the 19 Ag Barn, calling it the Exhibition Center. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Goat barn. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Hopefully it will happen over 22 time. 23 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's good. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I move we approve the sign 25 presented in the backup, with the one change in spelling on 8-13-12 111 1 "Country." And the name change to "Event Center" is part of 2 my motion. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Now, does that include contracting? 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes. We've already approved 6 the contract, but we can -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'll reiterate -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: That's right, we've already approved 10 the amount. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- reiterate that this needs 12 to be done through Pro-Tech Signs in Kerrville. And the 13 price -- total price to install, signed, sealed, and 14 delivered, is $19,300, which includes all the applicable 15 permits and installation. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: I recall now that we did previously 17 approve that because of the issue of permits and all that 18 other. Okay, we have a motion and a second. Question or 19 discussion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 20 hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Okay. We've got a 25 couple of addendums; let's do those. Item 29 is to consider, 8-13-12 112 1 discuss, take appropriate action to open and award bids for 2 industrial fan/air circulation system for the show barn at 3 the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center. Okay. First one we 4 have is from Hardin Heating and Cooling. The amount is 5 $46,747.50. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 46-what, Judge? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: 46,747.50. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 50 cents. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: The next one is from Big Ass Fans 10 Company. (Laughter.) 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Could you spell that? 12 JUDGE TINLEY: B-i-g, one word. A-s-s, another 13 word. Fans, F-a-n-s. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: F-a-n-s. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Company, separate word. 16 C-o-m-p-a-n-y. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I know you're used to the C-o, 19 period. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's exactly right. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: This is different. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, "fans" is where I 23 stumbled. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. The amount is $56,610. Is 25 that all of them? 8-13-12 113 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. Judge, I make a motion we 2 accept both bids and refer them to our architect, Peter 3 Lewis, County Attorney, and Commissioner Oehler for review 4 and recommendation. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 7 indicated. Question or discussion? All in favor of the 8 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Let's go to the 13 next item, Number 30; to consider, discuss, and take 14 appropriate action to approve order authorizing and approving 15 the execution of a grant agreement with the Texas Water 16 Development Board in the amount of 64,000, and other matters 17 related thereto. Ms. Hargis, you were the one that sprung 18 this one, I think, if I'm not mistaken. Right? 19 MS. HARGIS: No, our bond attorney requested that 20 we put this on. We signed one escrow agreement that was for 21 the 570. We have not signed the escrow agreement for the 22 64,000, so he asked that we sign it and approve this 23 agreement. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Looking back through an e-mail 25 I received from Mr. Spurgeon, also attached to it is a letter 8-13-12 114 1 from Joe Reynolds from Texas Water Development Board, their 2 legal counsel. Evidently, we have not ever -- we've approved 3 a resolution for the application; we've approved, you know, 4 the funding. We have not approved a resolution authorizing, 5 I guess, approval of the grant. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: This is for the EDAP portion, 7 correct? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The EDAP portion, and that is 9 what this -- 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- agenda item is, that we 12 authorize and approve the execution of the grant agreement 13 with Water Development Board and authorize County Judge to 14 sign same. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Is that a motion? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That was a motion. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second your motion. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 19 indicated for approval. Question or discussion? All in 20 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. I believe 25 that concludes all of the specific agenda items. Let's go to 8-13-12 115 1 Section 4 of the agenda, payment of the bills. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I move we pay the bills. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second that. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: We have a motion and a second to pay 5 the bills. Question or discussion? All in favor of the 6 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Budget 11 amendments. We have a number of budget amendments, two 12 pages, Numbers 1 through 16, it appears. Do I hear a motion 13 that the budget amendments as set forth in the request 14 summary, Items 1 through 16, be approved as presented? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion and second to approve the 18 budget amendments as detailed in the summary, Items 1 through 19 16. Question or discussion? All in favor of the motion, 20 signify by raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Late bills. 25 Looks like there is -- there's one to Lloyd Gosselink. Now, 8-13-12 116 1 the other sheet that I have, which includes the acquisition 2 of that new Ford truck, that's not a late bill. Or is it a 3 late bill? 4 MS. HARGIS: Well, it is a late bill. He needs -- 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 6 MS. HARGIS: He needs that to -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: All of the items on that sheet are 8 late bills? 9 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. So there are -- 11 MS. HARGIS: No, only that one. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. The utility fleet payment for 13 20,519.96, and the Lloyd Gosselink bill for $312 are 14 classified as late bills for which approval must be given. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 19 approval of the late bills. Question or discussion? All in 20 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion carries. I've been 25 presented with monthly reports for July of this year from 8-13-12 117 1 Kerr County Payroll; County Clerk; Justice of the Peace, 2 Precinct 3; Constable, Precinct 3, for June and July; 3 Constable, Precinct 1; District Clerk; Justice of the Peace, 4 Precinct 1; Constable, Precinct 4; Justice of the Peace, 5 Precinct 4; Justice of the Peace, Precinct 2; and 6 Environmental Health. Do I hear a motion that the indicated 7 reports be approved as presented? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 11 approval of the indicated reports as presented. Question or 12 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 13 your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 16 (No response.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Reports from 18 Commissioners in connection with their liaison or committee 19 assignments? Commissioner Letz? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the only thing that I 21 have other than what I said in my earlier report is that I 22 will be meeting with the Cypress Creek Community Center board 23 I think this Wednesday, and then they have an annual meeting 24 the following week, to start discussions with them about kind 25 of Kerr County jointly working with them on some facility 8-13-12 118 1 upgrades to allow that to be a -- a better permanent voting 2 location. Trying to figure out what -- you know, if that's 3 a -- it's just really kind of still a fact-finding meeting, 4 and it will be -- I'll visit with the County Attorney at some 5 point about it also. But first see if they have an interest, 6 and then, you know, how we will structure such an 7 arrangement. Because it's -- we're in a bit of a bind in 8 Precinct 303 for a voting location that is adequate. And 9 that's it. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: What about that $200,000 barn on 11 your place? (Laughter.) 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It was 50,000 a while ago; 13 now it's 200? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Wow, we need to tell the 16 Appraisal District about that. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd like to have a $200,000 18 barn. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that it, Commissioner? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler? 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, one of the things 23 that's happened was finished up last week. We've helped city 24 of Kerrville for several years with their sealcoat projects, 25 and we approved that to happen in Ingram. That has been 8-13-12 119 1 done. They finished up Woodland, and they finished up 2 Derringer. Those were the two that they had priority on this 3 year. And they had some drainage that had to be put in, and 4 so Ingram is very appreciative. There will be some 5 conversation about doing more next year. There may be a 6 little bit of a discussion on how that might be changed 7 slightly in the process. But it was -- it looks very good. 8 Woodland is the road that runs up by the new elementary 9 school, and it's traveled a lot. So, it turned out very, 10 very nice. And, of course, our guys did a heck of a job once 11 again, moved in there and got it done, and they're gone. 12 That's it. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Commissioner Baldwin? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, nothing. Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I made my comments about some 16 of my committees earlier, before the meeting started, but one 17 community activity that will be done Wednesday that I'm 18 really proud of is that they will be announcing our 7th year 19 of our Tivy athletes being Hall of Fame inductees this year. 20 There's a lot of Tivy alumni out there; exciting part of the 21 year. I'm afraid that, Mr. Baldwin, you, Mr. Bollier, and 22 Mr. Overby are off the list this year. So -- but it's an 23 exciting time for our community, and it's -- we're looked 24 upon -- this Hall of Fame group is statewide known, so we're 25 real excited about it. It's a community function, something 8-13-12 120 1 that's fun to be doing. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This is our 40th year class 3 reunion. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Is that right? 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: My question to him this 7 morning was, did Spencer's mother land on that this time? 8 Everybody in that entire family is on that thing except for 9 her. Man, she's the one. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: The list will be open 11 Wednesday. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: She was the one all right. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll tell you what, man, 14 I'll vote for her. 15 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Forty years? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Forty years. 17 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Congratulations. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, yeah. Lucky to be alive. 19 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Is that it? 21 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's it. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Commissioner Baldwin, the 23 meetings that you and I don't attend, -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: -- I think you attended. 8-13-12 121 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I did. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: But you and I don't attend those 3 meetings. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. I was there, but I 5 wasn't. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. That was the meeting to learn 7 from the Fish and Wildlife people how to avoid litigation, as 8 I recall. Which is very simple. Just do what they request, 9 and they won't sue us. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's all there is to it. 11 They were very friendly, were they not, Bonnie? They were 12 nice. Bonnie -- Bonnie was there. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Really had nothing to do with 14 us. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the way it appeared. 16 You know, and my question -- the only question I could think 17 of to ask was, "Why are we here? Why are y'all in 18 Kerrville?" And I got an answer, but I'm not -- I thought I 19 was going to have to hire a lawyer to figure out what they 20 said, but I don't know what he said. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: I think it was, "Do as requested, 22 and you won't get sued." 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, that's kind of the way 24 I took it. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Elected officials? 8-13-12 122 1 Department heads? We're going to start over here. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You can't see Rusty. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: No, I can't see Rusty. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: There he is. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just real quick, to let you 6 know, jail population, we're at 141 total this morning. 7 Twenty -- 28 females. I only have four empty female beds 8 again, gentlemen. It's going back up. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will go back down. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Unless we're housing 11 out-of-county before then. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: It's going to be okay, Rusty. It's 13 going to be okay. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'm glad y'all think that, 15 Judge. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How's the garden issue? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's doing good. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have we figured out how much 19 -- how much produce do you provide to the community? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: He's wound an 8-day clock. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we gave -- I know we 22 gave them over 2,000 ears of corn last week. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 2,000 years? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Ears, of corn. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, ears. 8-13-12 123 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: So, what we're looking at 2 right now is probably close to -- between 5,000 and 6,000 3 pounds of produce to Dietert Claim, and several hundred 4 pounds to each of the others, since they're just small. But 5 it's going to be over 6,000 pounds of produce this first 6 year. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is just incredible. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Really done real well. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I ate some of your corn the 10 other day. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: How'd you get some? 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, how'd you get some? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I ate over there. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: At Dietert. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I ate over at Dietert Claim. 16 MR. BOLLIER: How did you get -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What, do you think I stole 18 it or something? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Probably. I was beginning to 20 wonder. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Believe me, that was one -- at least 22 one thought. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It crossed my mind there, how 24 you got some of our corn. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Mr. Mayor, in the interest of 8-13-12 124 1 fairness and equal time, anything you'd like to say? 2 MAYOR PRATT: Not at this time, Judge, other than 3 we appreciate the -- we thought that it was also a good 4 meeting between City Council and Commissioners Court. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Appreciate the opportunity and the 6 hospitality. 7 MAYOR PRATT: And we look forward to having more 8 communications of that nature. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I assure you, it will occur in the 10 future. Janie? 11 MS. WHITT: I just wanted to let you know that I 12 did respond to the letter from Pat Ginsbach. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, okay. Good. 14 MS. WHITT: Wanting to send three employees this 15 year to the conference. I have asked him that he let me stay 16 back. I think it's only fair that I send other employees as 17 well, so I'm willing to stay back this year. It would be 18 Friday -- they would be leaving early Friday morning and 19 returning Sunday evening. So, I -- you know, I'm hoping that 20 we can do that again this year. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Boy, you talk about a guy that's -- 22 that got his heels dug in. You know, he does, doesn't he? 23 MS. WHITT: Yes, he does. He does, and he really, 24 really appreciates what our facility does, and the fact that 25 our adoptions have gone up, and we've come a long way in the 8-13-12 125 1 last six years. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Mm-hmm. Over here? Auditor? 3 MS. HARGIS: I just want to say thank you to -- to 4 put the budget together and to put it to bed as quickly as we 5 had to this -- this last week, Cindi Scherwitz, our 6 Treasurer, Tracy, and my staff -- well, and myself, in about 7 three hours, had to put this together, which is -- usually we 8 have a little more time than that. So, I just want to tell 9 them thank you; they did a really great job. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: County Attorney? 11 MR. HENNEKE: No, sir. The question is on the RFP, 12 I don't see that we're on a particular time frame. Are we 13 going to put that on the next agenda? 14 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think we have to do it this 15 time, but -- because of the job progress, but in looking at 16 those, is there a time fuse on acceptance of any offer that's 17 going to put it in trouble? 18 MR. LEWIS: There is, but we'll be well within -- 19 it's a 30-day -- 20 JUDGE TINLEY: If we wait until the next meeting? 21 MR. LEWIS: Yes, sir. And I think we do -- I've 22 looked at both packages, and they're not -- it doesn't appear 23 to be apples to apples. So -- 24 JUDGE TINLEY: So, you need some more time to 25 evaluate? 8-13-12 126 1 MR. LEWIS: Yes, sir. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Good enough. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Okay. Anything else to come 4 before this meeting? 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: One other thing I would 6 mention -- 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- is that we did have a 9 preconstruction meeting, which I mentioned earlier. There is 10 going to be -- either myself or Letz or both of us are to 11 meet with the -- with the contractor, every two weeks in the 12 beginning, on Thursday mornings to get an update of where we 13 are, where they're headed, get more of a schedule of times 14 they're going to do some things. And once we do that for a 15 while and get farther down the road, those meetings will be 16 held every week, at the contractor's request. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One other -- 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And there will be also some 19 tours they would like to do later, whenever we start -- they 20 start getting some of the steel up, and we'll have an 21 opportunity to invite people from the public, kids and, you 22 know, interested people to go out and tour it, ask questions. 23 You know, whenever there's not -- it's not a conflict with 24 the contractor's schedule. Otherwise, there won't be anybody 25 else permitted in the area. It's a hardhat area; it's a 8-13-12 127 1 construction zone. We can go as long as we contact the 2 foreman, and we can take maybe a guest if we let him know. 3 But they really prefer to have people not try to come in, 4 because they're very strict about their safety. They claim 5 that they exceed OSHA standards, and they just don't really 6 have time to have any interference from people that shouldn't 7 be in there. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: They're going to be busy working, 9 aren't they? 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I believe they will. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a little follow-up on 12 that. The only county personnel, other than members of the 13 Court, that have -- we're told have access to the facility 14 are Maintenance if they need to be out there, and Road and 15 Bridge if they need to be out there, 'cause they both are -- 16 obviously, are working and are maybe involved. But aside 17 from that, no press, no one from the Court, no one from -- 18 anybody, you know, without members of the Court present. And 19 we'll get -- we need to get -- bring Brian in to meet all 20 y'all. Maybe at the next meeting, we'll have him come up. 21 He'll be the superintendent on it. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: He's going to be here and 23 move in, get his construction trailer and all put up this 24 week. He told me he's finishing up a job in San Antonio. He 25 will be here Wednesday or Thursday to set that up, and the 8-13-12 128 1 following week there would actually be some activity going on 2 out there. Probably the middle of the week, he'll start with 3 pier holes and some other things. But we'll give you a 4 regular update, and if you want to go look, we're more than 5 happy; we'll introduce you, bring Brian to the next meeting. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Good. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So that everybody can meet 8 him; you know who you're talking to when you talk to him, and 9 you can go out there if you'd like. Very, very fine guy. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, if that second company 11 gets the fan contract, I certainly want to go see some of 12 that. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And just -- they will 15 have -- for those that don't have hard hats on the Court, 16 they'll have hard hats in the construction trailer. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What color are they? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't think they're pink. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I didn't ask that question. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What color was it that you 21 donated here a while back? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: White. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Was it white? I thought it 24 was some kind of weird color. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, they were white. 8-13-12 129 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Ms. Hargis, you had some final 2 thought here? 3 MS. HARGIS: I do. I do have a candidate. 4 Commissioner Oehler met him. And so I'm going to extend a 5 letter to him today. I don't know if he's going to accept or 6 not, but I am going to send a letter. He has a degree in 7 economics, and -- and he has three and a half to four years 8 experience in accounting, so he's -- he's a bright young man. 9 I think he'll be a real asset to my office. But I need to 10 get somebody in place to help us, 'cause otherwise I have to 11 pull in half the courthouse to help me get these things done. 12 So -- 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, thank you. Okay, anything 14 else to come before the meeting at this time, or under this 15 agenda? We'll be adjourned. 16 (Commissioners Court was adjourned at 12:00 p.m.) 17 - - - - - - - - - - 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 8-13-12 130 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 16th day of August, 8 2012. 9 10 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 11 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 12 Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 8-13-12