1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, August 20, 2012 11 11:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 GUY R. OVERBY, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X August 20, 2012 2 PAGE 3 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to adopt resolution finding that creation of 4 Emergency Services District No. 3 is feasible and will promote public safety, welfare, health 5 and convenience of persons residing in the proposed district 3 6 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 7 order election to be held November 6, 2012, for the purpose of confirmation of the creation of 8 Kerr County Emergency Services District No. 3 and levy by the district of a tax on property 9 situated in the district at a rate not to exceed the rate allowed by Section 48-e, Article III, 10 Texas Constitution 5 11 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve employee health care/dental benefits 12 contract with Texas Association of Counties 8 13 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to create temporary D.R. employee position and 14 authorize Environmental Health Director to fill position at hourly rate of $15.51; not to exceed 15 400 hours 10 16 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action authorizing purchase of Emergency Services 17 District ballots; funds to come out of FY 2011-2012 budget 12 18 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for 19 approval of FY 2013 SAVNS Maintenance Grant Contract Number 1337062 between Office of the 20 Attorney General and Kerr County 15 21 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to designate a group or committee to develop a 22 proposed level of service requirements for emergency medical services outside city limits 23 of Kerrville and cost analysis and estimates of providing such level(s) of service 16 24 --- Adjourned 23 25 3 1 On Monday, August 20, 2012, at 11:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 8 Let me call to order this special meeting of the Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court posted and scheduled for this date and 10 time, Monday, August 20, 2012, at 11 a.m. It is that time 11 now. The first item on the agenda is to consider, discuss, 12 and take appropriate action to adopt resolution finding that 13 creation of Emergency Services District Number 3 is feasible 14 and will promote the public safety, welfare, health, and 15 convenience of persons residing in the proposed district. 16 Commissioner Baldwin? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. Thank you. Do 18 you or anyone in this room see a need to read the resolution 19 into the record? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Judging from hearing nothing, I 21 would say there doesn't seem to be that need expressed. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I -- I think it's just 23 a formality of the law to -- to do this thing. It has -- you 24 know, the resolution simply finds that the creation of the 25 district is feasible and will promote public safety, welfare, 8-20-12 4 1 and health and convenience of persons residing in the 2 proposed district. It's a formality, I think. So, I move 3 that we approve the resolution. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: The adoption of the resolution? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion for the adoption of 7 the resolution. Do I hear a second? 8 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion and a second for the 10 adoption of the resolution. Question or discussion? I have 11 a -- a participation form here from a Peggy Colvin. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I spoke with Mrs. Colvin, 13 and she decided that she's not interested in this thing. She 14 lives in the city, and realized that the city government is 15 not going to allow her to vote on it, so she's out of here. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, very well. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I did have a question on -- 18 on it, though. On the front page of the resolution itself, 19 down at the bottom, Be it resolved, Number 2, we're going to 20 order the election and -- to confirm the creation of the 21 district, and authorize adoption of a tax on the ad valorem 22 property situated in the district. Do we -- what that says 23 to me is that we need to set a number of some sort. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, it's -- this resolution sets 25 the ceiling on that tax, and the -- 8-20-12 5 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: -- the actual tax rate upon the 3 creation of the district would be, in fact, set by the board. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So it's not something that 5 the public, when they go to vote yea or nay, that there is -- 6 there's a number that they're also voting on? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: They -- they will be looking at a 8 ceiling on that tax rate. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: The actual tax rate to be adopted in 11 the district, upon the formation of that district, would be 12 as determined by the board after it determines its needs, its 13 budget and so forth. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very good. I'm ready to 15 vote. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Do we have any other 17 questions or discussion on the particular motion before the 18 Court today? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 19 your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 22 (No response.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's go to 24 Item 2; to consider, discuss, take appropriate action to 25 order an election to be held on November 6th, 2012, for the 8-20-12 6 1 purpose of the confirmation of the creation of Kerr County 2 Emergency Services District Number 3, and levy by the 3 district of a tax on the property situated in the district at 4 a rate not to exceed the rate allowed by Section 48-e, 5 Article III, of the Texas Constitution. Commissioner Baldwin 6 again. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. And I'm 8 assuming that the rate allowed in Section 48-e, Article III, 9 would be not to exceed 10 cents on a $100 valuation. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: I believe that's correct. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Second. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 14 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? I have 15 a participation form here as to -- appears as to Item 2, from 16 Mr. T. Scott Gross. Mr. Gross? 17 MR. GROSS: Morning, guys. T. Scott Gross, 709 18 Riverhill Boulevard. I'm not sure I'm on the right page 19 here, but as I understand it, 1.1 finds this measure 20 feasible, and then 1.6 is a committee to find out if this -- 21 if the numbers make it feasible. Which, if I read that 22 correctly, is a little bit backwards. But I would like to 23 ask you to do two things. One is refer -- refer to General 24 Schellhase's report some years ago. I -- probably around 25 2005, maybe. Maybe 2004, when he was asked to form a 8-20-12 7 1 committee similar to the one that you're about to address, or 2 are addressing now, and to explore this issue. And you know 3 General Schellhase; he's a very thorough guy, to say the 4 least. So, he came up with a conclusion back in those days 5 six or seven years ago that might be -- the thinking still 6 might be good, and you might want to refer to that. My 7 biggest concern this morning is the impact -- the potential 8 impact on the ISO rating for the county citizens that live in 9 the city. I understand it -- and I am a little bit rusty on 10 it, not too fresh, but I understand that if we were to go to 11 an ESD, that it might -- in fact, probably would -- negate 12 any future contracts with the City. Which would, in turn -- 13 could in turn, very likely would in turn, result in the 14 closing of at least one of our fire stations, which no doubt 15 would result in the change of our ISO rating, not just in the 16 city, but also in the county as well. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How did you arrive at that? 18 That's amazing. How did you arrive at that, Scott? 19 MR. GROSS: Give me the question again? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How did you arrive at that? 21 MR. GROSS: ISO ratings? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, that -- that if an ESD 23 is adopted, that we're not going to contract with the City. 24 How did you get to that point? 25 MR. GROSS: No, I didn't. I said "if." 8-20-12 8 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, are we talking about 2 1.2 or 1.6? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's see if Mr. Gross is through. 4 Any other questions or -- 5 MR. GROSS: No. I'd just like you to make sure 6 that when you have your committee, if you have your 7 committee, that they be charged with exploring the issue -- 8 the potential issue of the impact on ISO ratings throughout 9 the county. It just seems like a good idea. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, sir. 11 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions? Comments? 13 Input? Seeing none, all in favor of the motion, signify by 14 raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go to 19 Item 3; consider, discuss, take appropriate action to approve 20 employee health care/dental benefits contract with Texas 21 Association of Counties. Ms. Lantz? 22 MS. LANTZ: Good morning, Judge. Good morning 23 Commissioners. This is just to finalize our health care 24 benefits, as well as our dental, with Texas Association of 25 Counties. They're giving us a zero percent increase for the 8-20-12 9 1 nine months that we're willing to renew our plan, and changed 2 everything that Mr. Looney had requested. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Basically, we've already done it -- 4 done everything, with the exception of formalizing approval 5 of this? 6 MS. LANTZ: Yes, sir. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion we approve 8 the plan authorization as submitted. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded as 11 indicated for approval of the agenda item. Question or 12 discussion? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just want to make one note, 14 and on the -- this is just because it seems confusing, or has 15 been confusing with TAC, evidently. On the broker/agent, 16 that item is blank, and I think it needs to stay blank. 17 And -- I mean, because this is going for the -- the next 18 period when we don't have a consultant/agent/broker, whereas 19 right now we have authorized a -- a consultant to work with 20 TAC. I mean, it's kind of -- at the end of September, we 21 will no longer have one. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: That's correct. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, since this is for this 24 following plan year, while Mr. Looney is helping us with -- 25 with the setup, -- 8-20-12 10 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- he will not be working once 3 the plan is in place. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: I assume that's appropriate. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: After October 1, he's -- he's no 7 longer engaged. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other question or comments? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, that's it. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: All in favor of the motion, signify 12 by raising your right hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 15 (No response.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go to 17 Item 4; to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 18 create a temporary D.R. employee position and authorize 19 Environmental Health Director to fill the position at an 20 hourly rate of 15.51, not to exceed 400 hours. Mr. Garcia? 21 MR. GARCIA: Good morning. I have an employee that 22 will be out on FMLA for an extended period, so I'm requesting 23 to fill that position with a temporary employee as a D.R. 24 This person for the temporary employee position is a D.R., 25 has a certification, and we can continue to operate and 8-20-12 11 1 provide that continuity of service to the public like we are 2 doing currently. So, again, this is a temporary employee. 3 The money for the line item is there because I had that 4 position open previously for seven months, is where that 5 money will be coming out of that line item for the salary for 6 the D.R. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: This is not the settlement funds 8 that came -- 9 MR. GARCIA: No. We're not -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: -- when we had to fix the record? 11 MR. GARCIA: Right. We're not using that. I spoke 12 with the County Attorney on that, and we -- it's very clear 13 on that. I just want to make that clear to the Court also, 14 that this is not the money out of that settlement. We're 15 going to use out of that temporary line item. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 17 MR. GARCIA: 108. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 19 MR. GARCIA: And, again, it says 400 hours there. 20 I'm not using her -- this person in that capacity the full 21 eight hours. When I have engineer designs come in, then 22 that's when I'll call her for her service. So, again, this 23 is -- the 400 hours there is just a max for the temporary. 24 It's just whenever I have these planning materials that come 25 in that are engineered designs, then we'll bring her in. 8-20-12 12 1 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Call her as needed. 2 MR. GARCIA: Call her as needed, exactly. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Motion made. 4 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 7 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 8 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. 13 MR. GARCIA: Thank you. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 5; to consider, 15 discuss, and take appropriate action authorizing the purchase 16 of the Emergency Services District ballots, with funds to 17 come out of the FY 2011-12 budget. Commissioner Baldwin? 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. Let me make a run 19 at this thing. In the beginning, we had the ESD Number 3 as 20 a county-wide program, and now that the City of Kerrville has 21 opted out, when folks go to vote on November the 6th, the 22 people from the city of Kerrville -- the city of Kerrville 23 residents do not get one that has an ESD on it. So, we have 24 to print separate ballots for just the ESD, and it's $8,000. 25 Wasn't that pretty close? 8-20-12 13 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Eight? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Eight -- let's see. 18,000 3 ballots, approximately $8,000 for programming and ballots 4 cost for that election. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Is there going to be a 7 separate ballot, separate piece of paper, or is it going -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I think it's a separate 9 piece of paper. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Separate ballot than what our 11 general election ballot will be? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. Because the city 13 -- the people that live inside the city will get one with 14 presidential stuff and et cetera, et cetera, and -- but they 15 don't vote on the ESD. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Right. Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, my only question 19 is the quantity of the ballots. I mean, it's 18,000, but, I 20 mean, I don't think -- are there 18,000 registered voters in 21 the county outside the city limits? And -- 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There are. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, I mean, do we always order 24 one ballot per registered voter, or per citizen? I mean -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm a commissioner; I'm not 8-20-12 14 1 an election person. But -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It just seems like you could -- 3 I mean -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I can't answer your 5 question. I'm just doing this for -- the election people are 6 gone, and they asked me to -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- do this thing. So, I 9 don't know. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We all know that they're not 11 all going to vote. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, they're not going to 13 vote. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But you still have to provide 15 a ballot just in case they decide to. 16 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: That's right. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Unfortunately. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd be surprised if there's 19 18,000 registered voters in the county. Not -- not over -- 20 not over 18 years old. I'm talking about registered voters. 21 I mean, there's a bunch of -- anyway, I hate to throw the 22 money away, but if that's the way we need to do it, or 23 supposed to do it, we have to do it. But it seems like we're 24 buying a lot more ballots than we're going to realistically 25 need. 8-20-12 15 1 JUDGE TINLEY: That's the unfortunate result. 2 We'll know how many of those are utilized on November the 3 7th. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, Jon. Take that. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right, I'll be quiet. 6 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: What line item is that coming 7 out of? 8 MS. HARGIS: We'll have to take it probably out of 9 contingency. 10 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved for approval. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I'll second. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 14 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 15 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 18 (No response.) 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Let's go to Item 20 7; to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action for 21 approval of Fiscal Year 2013 SAVNS Maintenance Grant Contract 22 Number 1337062 between the Office of the Attorney General and 23 Kerr County. This is a contract which has been in place from 24 year to year, and both the Sheriff and his chief deputy 25 advise that this is nothing more than a repeat of a 8-20-12 16 1 multi-year situation. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 5 approval. Further question or discussion? All in favor of 6 the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I didn't see anything over here. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, I did. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Maybe I'm not 13 looking quick enough. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I was -- 15 JUDGE TINLEY: I apologize. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I was a little quicker with 17 the hand than you were with the eye. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: I see. Well, I don't doubt that at 19 all. That's not surprising to me. Okay, let's go to Item 6; 20 to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 21 designate a group or committee to develop a proposed level of 22 service requirements for emergency medical services outside 23 the city limits of Kerrville, and cost analysis estimates of 24 providing such levels of service. Commissioner Letz, 25 Commissioner Baldwin, one of y'all take off and run with it. 8-20-12 17 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll start. It seems to me -- 2 and I've talked to, I guess, Commissioner-elect Moser quite a 3 bit about this as well, and he -- the outline that I provided 4 is kind of based on an outline that he gave me. I made some 5 changes to it. But my idea on this from the beginning was 6 that I think it will be helpful to the public -- if an ESD 7 passes or doesn't pass, it would be helpful to have a -- to 8 look at, as concretely as we can, what the level of service 9 is that the City currently provides. That's pretty simple; 10 we know the kind of ambulances, the boxes, as they're 11 referred to, what they are. We know the response times. We 12 know the staffing and all that. But one of the issues I've 13 always had is I'm not sure that that is the same level of 14 service that we need in the county, 'cause I think response 15 time is probably -- as I understand, my little knowledge of 16 this whole issue, response time is probably the most 17 important issue. So, I don't know that we need the exact 18 same level of service. I don't know that we don't. 19 But my thought would be that we try to explore 20 that, look at the cost, look at the revenues, look at how 21 much it costs to get an ambulance; you know, where you would 22 put stations. And this is kind of a -- a scenario for moving 23 forward for the public to be able to look at, for us to look 24 at, for an ESD to look at. I mean, it's just, I think, 25 useful information. It's not necessarily what will be used 8-20-12 18 1 by any entity in the future, if the ESD passes or doesn't 2 pass. So, that's kind of my thinking on it. And the idea we 3 talked a little bit about at our last meeting, and I'm just 4 going to kind of toss it out here, I know there's some people 5 that I would like to put on the committee that have shown an 6 interest. I think Buster's communicated with some as well. 7 I'm not sure if the rest of the Court has. I don't think we 8 want more than five on the committee; somewhere three to 9 five. And the idea would be to have them report back to us, 10 which would then be before the public by October 1st. Which 11 is a pretty short time period. 12 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Short time. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think a lot of this 14 information is -- the City has right now. I think there are 15 other ambulance contractors that have -- you know, probably 16 have this. I mean, we're not that unique in Kerr County. 17 They know what it costs to put level of service in various 18 counties, and offices and staffing and all those things. So, 19 it's kind of getting all the information together. That's 20 it. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have a comment and a 22 request. I love the idea of being able to -- you know, our 23 desire, and part of the motivation of the ESD, is to create 24 satellite positions, like having an ambulance in Ingram, an 25 ambulance in Center Point, as -- as an example, and kind of 8-20-12 19 1 put together a plan regarding that. You know, how much -- 2 how much do these boxes -- trucks? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Boxes. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Things. Boxes. What are 5 they this week? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Boxes. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Boxes. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Boxes or units. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Ambulance costs, and to man 10 it and to -- all those things, and house it out in Ingram, 11 and find out what -- what that's going to cost. And just 12 using this as an example, and go to the City and say, "Hey, 13 we want to do this. How much would you charge us to do 14 this?" And I think that is just -- it would be fascinating 15 to see some of the information come back from that, and I 16 just wanted you -- and my request is that we add in this that 17 somebody take a look at this ISO. Just -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- for funses. And that's 20 all I've got to say about it. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have no problem with that. 22 And if the committee -- you know, this is kind of a guide. I 23 don't mean this is an absolute thing. They may not be able 24 to come up with some of this real easily. I think they need 25 to come up with the best they can in a relatively short 8-20-12 20 1 period of time and get it back to us. I mean, like I say, 2 this is not going to be a -- what the ESD would do if it 3 passes or not, or what we're going to do if it doesn't pass. 4 It's just kind of a -- a measure. 5 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Analyze it. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Analyze it. 7 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think it's a good idea. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And get the information to the 9 public. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, you're going to be able 11 to do this, and when you do this -- or the committee does 12 this, it's going to give some information about the cost, 13 which will also relate to what a tax rate could be -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- in the ESD. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, that's right. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the other thing, I think 18 the -- they'll look at the revenue side a little bit too. 19 But I got an e-mail from a constituent -- I think the whole 20 Court got it. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it -- you know, and it did 23 look at the revenue, and it shows that the EMS -- the City of 24 Kerrville, based on this analysis, the EMS department really 25 doesn't lose money. I mean, it includes our subsidy of 8-20-12 21 1 400,000. But it's almost -- I mean, and other counties, I 2 know, break even. So, you know, it's not always a -- a huge 3 deficit to run one of these departments, because there is a 4 pretty good revenue stream coming in as well. For the 5 committee, you know, I'll toss out two names. One is Tom 6 Moser. I think he's going to be dealing with this; he's 7 expressed a lot of interest. The other is Granger MacDonald; 8 he expressed an interest to me as well. I think both of them 9 would be good members of the committee. I know -- well, 10 Buster, you've talked to one of my constituents. I'll let 11 you bring his name up. And others? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't have their names 13 with me. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Miles Land. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hey, very good. Good for 16 you. Miles Land. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is a -- he has a lot of -- he 18 lives up in The Wilderness area, has a lot of knowledge about 19 ESD's, and he has expressed an interest. I don't know if 20 there's anybody else -- if the rest of the Court has any 21 other -- 22 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: I think that's good, three 23 good names. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sounds good to me. 25 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Yeah. Appreciate you wanting 8-20-12 22 1 to do it. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER OVERBY: Thank you. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion to appoint 5 Tom Moser, Granger MacDonald, and Miles Land to serve on the 6 ESD -- what's the -- it's ESM, emergency medical services -- 7 or EMS committee, to follow the outline that we were about to 8 approve, with the addition of adding ISO determination into 9 that, and other information they see or feel is pertinent. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I didn't know you were going 11 to do the names. Deb Johnson. Deb Johnson. She is -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: She's the ambulance lady 14 from outside of Houston. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, Deb Johnson. We can add 16 her to the list. Okay. And then I would also add as part of 17 that any county personnel that may be of assistance, ask them 18 to work with the committee. Someone from -- maybe -- I have 19 not talked to the Treasurer about this -- the Treasurer's 20 office, just for some accounting, financial, and to be able 21 to do some of that work. And -- and other departments, if 22 necessary; just ask that they work with this committee. I 23 mean, if it's not a real cumbersome amount of work. That's 24 it. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I have a motion, and do I 8-20-12 23 1 have a second? 2 THE CLERK: No, sir. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: A motion? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. I have a second, okay. We 8 have a motion and a second relative to the agenda item. Any 9 further question or discussion on that motion? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I want to make one thing, just 11 an addition I forgot to say. You need to have a -- a leader 12 on a committee. I'll just ask if Mr. Moser would be willing 13 to serve as chair. That way, just moving -- okay. If that's 14 okay with Commissioner Baldwin? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correcto. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any further question or 17 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 18 your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 20 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 21 (No response.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Any further 23 business to come before the Court on this day, gentlemen? 24 We're adjourned. 25 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:24 a.m.) 8-20-12 24 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 21st day of August, 8 2012. 9 10 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 11 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 12 Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 8-20-12