1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, October 28, 2013 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: PAT TINLEY, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X October 28, 2013 2 PAGE 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 5 4 1.1 Public Hearing regarding revision of plat for Lots 120R and 122 of Vistas Escondidas De Cypress 5 Springs Estates, Precinct 4 12 6 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for Court’s final approval regarding revision of plat 7 for Lots 120R and 122 of Vistas Escondidas De Cypress Springs Estates, Precinct 4 12 8 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to go 9 out for annual bids for road base, cold mix, aggregate, emulsion oil, & corrugated metal pipe 13 10 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 11 request from Kerrville Public School Foundation to be added to nonprofit list for use of HCYEC 12 in order to receive reduced rate on rental fees; request use of Show Barn on April 25, 2014, for 13 annual Duck Race Bash Dinner 14 14 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to drop private road name Chiquito Lane West and 15 not rename this road, Precinct 4 18 16 1.6 Consider, discuss, take appropriate action to set a public hearing regarding proposed private 17 road name change from Jazz Lane West to Twisted Oak Drive West, Precinct 4 19 18 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 19 authorize Environmental Health/Animal Control Director to hire person for vacant position in 20 Animal Control Department 20 21 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to designate Kerr County Environmental Health/ 22 Animal Control Director Ray Garcia as local Rabies Control Authority for Kerr County, with 23 alternates Nichole Golden and Charity Fegenbush 21 24 1.10 Acknowledge receipt of Quarterly Investment report from Patterson and Associates for quarter 25 ending 9/30/13 22 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) October 28, 2013 2 PAGE 3 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to nominate one or more persons to Kerr Central 4 Appraisal District Board of Directors for 2014-2015 23 5 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 6 approve contract with Ingram Volunteer Fire Department and Hill Country CASA; allow County 7 Judge to sign same 26 8 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve 2014 resolution for Indigent Defense Grant 9 Grant program; authorize County Judge to sign same 28 10 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request from Hill County Wrestling Club to use 11 Show Barn at HCYEC for weekly practices; request a reduced rate for rental fees 29 12 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 13 select the contractor for negotiations for the Kerrville South Wastewater project, Phase 5 37 14 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 15 allow use of courthouse grounds and surrounding area for Veteran’s Day Parade and activities on 16 November 11, 2013 38 17 4.1 Pay Bills 49 4.2 Budget Amendments -- 18 4.3 Late Bills 49 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 51 19 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 20 Assignments 51 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 58 21 1.16 Presentation by Thomas Lower with The SpyGlass 22 Group, LLC, regarding their audit services 61 23 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding community service projects with 24 Christian Men's Job Corps 76 25 --- Adjourned 87 4 1 On Monday, October 28, 2013, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. 8 Let me call to order this regular Commissioners Court meeting 9 posted and scheduled for this date and time, Monday, October 10 28th, 2013, at 9 a.m. It is that time now. Commissioner 11 Moser? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. Please rise, if 13 you will. 14 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Please be seated. At 16 this time, if there's any member of the public or audience 17 that wishes to be heard on any matter which is not a listed 18 agenda item, this is your opportunity to come forward and 19 tell us what's on your mind. If you wish to be heard on an 20 agenda item, we'd prefer that you fill out a participation 21 form. There should be some located at the rear of the room. 22 That gives me a heads-up that there's someone that wants to 23 be heard on that issue. However, even if you haven't filled 24 out a participation form and we get to an agenda item that 25 you want to be heard, get my attention in some manner, and 10-28-13 5 1 I'll be happy to give that you opportunity. But right now, 2 if there's anyone that wishes to be heard on a matter that is 3 not a listed agenda item, this is your opportunity to come 4 forward. Seeing no one coming forward, we will move on. 5 Commissioner Moser, what do you have for us this morning? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let's see, a few things. 7 Big fair; everybody knows about that. Looked like there was 8 a great attendance out there. I was out there a couple of 9 times. The other things that have been happening, Center 10 Point Volunteer Fire Department had a big fish fry, big 11 turnout for that. The weather was good for both of them, and 12 I'll report that the -- the combination of -- of the 13 Republican party and the Wounded Warrior golf event that was 14 held a week ago last Monday raised $27,000, and $7,000 -- 15 half the proceeds -- net proceeds went to the Wounded Warrior 16 project, so $7,000 went to them. And the good news is, I 17 think that they are ready for their event next July for eight 18 families, rather than five, and they think they have most all 19 the funds that they need from that. So, it's -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Fantastic. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Things are happening in the 22 county. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's great. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Welcome back to you. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Good. Thank you. Commissioner 10-28-13 6 1 Letz? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Mostly, I've just been up to my 3 eyeballs in water; I mean, Austin and Austin and Austin, 4 almost every week right now, trying to -- everyone calls it, 5 I guess, H.B.4, which is the water bill that was passed at 6 the last Legislature. Well, 16 of us were charged with 7 writing the rules for that bill. And when you put 16 of us 8 in a room together, we have not progressed as far as we 9 should have, and we have until December 2nd to complete this 10 task. So, anyway -- so I'm in Austin two days next week, the 11 following week, and the week after that. That's where I am a 12 lot of times these days, between that, and then I'm in Round 13 Rock for baseball this weekend, so I get to go to Austin a 14 lot. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Better you than me, is all I can 16 say. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that's what I've been 18 doing mostly. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Oehler, have you got 20 something? 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I thought Jon was up to his 22 eyeballs with the flood, the way he was talking, like we'd 23 gotten all this rain down there. We didn't get -- we got a 24 good one all together. I got over 6 inches at my house total 25 over the last six weeks, so I thank the good Lord for that, 10-28-13 7 1 and keep her coming. That's it. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Baldwin? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, I have two 4 questions, actually. I don't have a report; I just have two 5 questions. Speaking of water, there's a meeting Wednesday at 6 1:30 at Headwaters. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that true? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And is that something that 11 we want to go to? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Always. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I think it's always -- 14 it's kind of an educational meeting, and -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you know the players 16 that's coming to that? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Water Development Board. I 18 believe one of them happens to be our County Attorney's 19 father-in-law, and Water Development Board. I think it will 20 be an educational thing. I think it's always good, the more 21 we can learn about -- it's an underground water talk, I 22 think, or presentation, and groundwater management areas, 23 things of that nature. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you. And then I 25 understand that the -- our Friday jail court is ending, and I 10-28-13 8 1 just heard that through the grapevine, that -- but it hasn't 2 come through here, and it's really kind of our little jury -- 3 little courtroom set up out there. Does anybody know 4 anything about that? 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Grapevine hasn't gotten this far; I 6 can tell you that, Commissioner. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, you need to show up at 8 work every once in a while. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: That'd probably help; you're right. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right. That's as mean 11 as I'm going to get. And I heard on the news yesterday a 12 lot, and again this morning, about how the federal 13 government's really fixing to start taking over these 14 streams, navigable or unnavigable, dry bed, the whole nine 15 yards. So -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me comment on that, if I 17 might. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why don't you comment on 19 that? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: As a matter of fact, I meant 22 to a while ago, and then Letz mentioned water, and that's 23 water. Rob Henneke and I went to a symposium; it was held at 24 Schreiner University this past week, and it was on property 25 rights and water. Extremely interesting. Three really 10-28-13 9 1 credible people that addressed this thing, and the thing that 2 a lot of people do not realize, the state law today -- what's 3 this room, about 30 feet wide? Probably not quite that. But 4 if there's a stream bed, dry, vegetation to vegetation, to 5 keep it simple, 30 feet wide, that is a navigable stream. It 6 can be totally dry, but it's navigable. And so therein 7 creates a lot of issues with a lot of people in Kerr County, 8 'cause they have these dry creek beds. One of them happened 9 in Kendall County -- Kimble County, where a dam had been 10 there for -- for decades across a dry creek bed. They were 11 going to tear it -- they went out there, T.C.E.Q. came out 12 and said, "You got to take that dam out, because that's a 13 navigable stream. You cannot block the flow on a navigable 14 stream without permission." So, this is -- it's a big ditty. 15 It's the balance between the thing that Jonathan was talking 16 about, groundwater and property rights. So, this is -- this 17 is something big, and probably a lot of people in the county 18 don't know about this law that's in -- in effect. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll comment on that a little, 20 additionally. It's not that cut and dried. There's some 21 other issues. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dry. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Cut and wet. There's a lot of 24 other issues with it. And I find it very interesting on that 25 case in Kimble County that it's the -- actually, the Land 10-28-13 10 1 Commissioner makes the determination based on looking at old 2 records, so he decides what is and isn't. They did that -- 3 on the Kimble County case, it was -- Jerry Patterson's office 4 is the one that made that decision. I've dealt with T.C.E.Q. 5 on these issues quite a bit, and, you know, there's different 6 -- they have one interpretation; I think the General Land 7 Office has a little bit different, and then you have T.C.E.Q. 8 So, it's not always cut and dried, but it is very serious, 9 and the problem with it that's coming is the E.P.A. is trying 10 to basically step into the same authority that the T.C.E.Q. 11 has, which is a -- will give federal control, basically, of 12 all water in the state. And that's -- that's where the big 13 rub is. I mean, T.C.E.Q. historically has not been that 14 difficult to work with on this issue. And, you know, there's 15 a little bit of difference when you get into -- you get 16 lawyers starting to argue where the 20 foot is. I mean, if 17 you have a swell in the creek bed, is it -- or you have a 18 road, I mean, it's hard to say. Is it average, or -- you 19 know, lots of different issues that go into it. But the big 20 concern is if the E.P.A. -- and the E.P.A. probably is going 21 to get to pass that through a rule change in Washington that 22 we'll have no say-so, and that's where the difficulty comes. 23 And down the road will be more federal government in our back 24 yard. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Let me get back to you. I think you 10-28-13 11 1 were -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: -- the one speaking, weren't you? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, they -- they ran 5 through the whole gamut of the whole thing, and -- 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Stole all your thunder, didn't they? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, not exactly. I mean, 8 I couldn't care less what the State of Texas says, but this 9 federal thing is a serious issue. And you're going to get 10 into the federal government telling private property owners 11 what to do with their property, and you'll have to get 12 permission to do anything, and then it's a money raiser, is 13 what it is, and you'll pay fines for doing it the wrong way. 14 So, it's -- it's going to get ugly before it gets better. 15 That's all. Thank you. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Good to be back. I'm 17 probably going to try and phase in a little. I'm not sure 18 what the medical people -- or what pace they're going to let 19 me come back into this thing, but I'm going to do it as I -- 20 as they let me and as my health permits. But every 21 indication is that over a recuperative period of time, I'll 22 be in as good of shape as I was before this pneumonia came 23 and took a swipe at me. So -- but it's good to be back, good 24 to see all the familiar faces and folks on the team, and 25 thank you for all your thoughts and prayers while I was gone. 10-28-13 12 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good to have you, Judge. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: I will now recess the Commissioners 3 Court meeting, and I will convene a public hearing regarding 4 the revision of plat for Lots 120R and 122 of Vistas 5 Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates, as set forth in Volume 6 7, Pages 363 through 364, and located in Precinct 4. 7 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 9:11 a.m., and a public hearing was held in open 8 court, as follows:) 9 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Is there any member of the public 11 that wishes to be heard with regard to the revision of plat 12 for Lots 120R and 122 of Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs 13 Estates as set forth in Volume 7, Pages 363 and 364, and 14 located in Precinct 4? Seeing no one coming forward or 15 seeking recognition, I will close the public hearing 16 regarding the revision of plat for Lots 120R and 122 of 17 Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates, as set forth in 18 Volume 7, Pages 363-364, and I will reconvene the 19 Commissioners Court meeting. 20 (The public hearing was concluded at 9:11 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court meeting was 21 reopened.) 22 - - - - - - - - - - 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 2 on the agenda; 24 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action for the 25 Court's final approval regarding the revision of plat for 10-28-13 13 1 Lots 120R and 122 of Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs 2 Estates, as set forth in Volume 7, Pages 363 and -4, located 3 in Precinct 4. Mr. Odom? 4 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir, thank you. Max and Susan 5 Reinbach own Lot 120R in Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs 6 Estates. The couple would like to include Lot 122, which is 7 2.37 acres, with the existing lot, 120R, which is 12.28 8 acres, to make Lot 120R2, 14.65 acres. So, at this time, we 9 ask the Court for their final approval regarding the revision 10 of plat for Lots 120R and 122 of Vistas Escondidas de Cypress 11 Springs Estates, Volume 7, Pages 363 through 364, Precinct 4. 12 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Make a motion for approval. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion for approval? A motion and 15 second for approval of the agenda item. Further question or 16 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 17 your right hand. 18 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 19 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 20 (No response.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's go to 22 Item 3, a 9:10 timed item. It's a bit past that now. 23 Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to go out for 24 annual bids for road base, cold mix, aggregate, emulsion oil, 25 and corrugated metal pipe. Mr. Odom? 10-28-13 14 1 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. We're asking the Court to 2 give authorization for us to go out for our annual bids on 3 base, cold mix, aggregate, emulsion oil, and corrugated pipe. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 5 MR. ODOM: Once we get out the bids, we will come 6 back to court to open the bids on December 9th, 2013, 9:10 7 a.m., and also award the bids in court at that time. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does your motion still stand? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct, that it does. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I have a motion and second for 12 approval of the agenda item. Is there any question or 13 discussion? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising 14 your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Let's go to our 19 9:15 timed item; it's squeaking to that. Item 4, to 20 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on a request 21 from the Kerrville Public School Foundation to be added to 22 the nonprofit list for use of the Hill Country Youth Event 23 Center in order to receive a reduced rate on rental fees and 24 request use of the show barn on April 25, 2014, for the 25 annual Duck Race Bash Dinner. Ms. McCullough? 10-28-13 15 1 MS. McCULLOUGH: Hello. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning. 3 MS. McCULLOUGH: How are you? Good morning. Thank 4 you for having me. I have our tax-exempt letter for you. 5 Who do I give that to? We are very excited to be able to use 6 the show barn for our dinner. We think it'll be a great 7 space for us, and we're excited that we get to do that on 8 Friday night, and then have the duck race on Saturday at Flat 9 Rock Park. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Doesn't get any better than 11 that, does it? 12 MS. McCULLOUGH: No, it doesn't. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We know that -- we know that 14 the barn is available on that date? And -- 15 MS. McCULLOUGH: Jody -- I met with her out there, 16 and she said that that date was available. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, you can't believe 18 everything Jody says. 19 MS. McCULLOUGH: Well -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, there she is. I'm 21 sorry. 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: Yes. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Motion to approve. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to approve 10-28-13 16 1 the agenda item to add the Kerrville Public School Foundation 2 to the nonprofit list, and honor their request for use of the 3 show barn at a reduced rate on April 25, 2014, for their 4 annual Duck Race Bash Dinner. Question or discussion on the 5 motion? 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I got a discussion. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You know, it's been kind of 9 amazing; we've had more functions being held in that facility 10 since it's been built than we have had in the past, and 11 here's another one today, and there will be more in the 12 future. But, you know, it's just -- and it also has not been 13 reported, some of the great events that have been out there 14 recently, large, larger than ever. Larger fundraisers, 15 having a larger amount of money being given for various 16 purposes, whether it be scholarships or 4-H or -- you know, 17 it's just -- it's truly amazing that that never gets 18 reported. It's just -- you know, I don't know why that is, 19 but it's really kind of frustrating. And, yeah, we built it, 20 and they're coming. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, it's good that we have that 22 facility available for the community. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's right. That's exactly 24 what it's for. I'm just glad to see that people are using 25 it, contrary to popular comments by others. 10-28-13 17 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Well -- 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Or more popular, I should 3 say. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think this event too has a 5 chance for raising a lot more money, since I believe -- my 6 understanding is you spent a lot of money on tents last year 7 when you had this at Comanche. 8 MS. McCULLOUGH: We did. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And you're going to be able to 10 take that and apply it directly to scholarships. 11 MS. McCULLOUGH: We're working really hard this 12 year to bring our costs down so that we are good stewards of 13 the money that our community has entrusted us with, and so 14 that that money can go back into the school. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Great. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: That's one of the advantages of 17 these facilities out there. We're not trying to -- we're not 18 trying to make money. We're trying to make facilities 19 available to the community so that they'll have a place to 20 use and be able to have a better bottom line for their 21 charitable fundraiser or whatever it may be. And, you know, 22 we're not trying to recoup the cost of building. That's why 23 government does it, as opposed to the private sector. If 24 they were -- if it was a matter of -- of something that would 25 make money, well, the private sector would be doing it. But 10-28-13 18 1 we're just trying to accommodate the community. 2 MS. McCULLOUGH: I'm really excited. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Is there any further question or 4 discussion on the motion? All in favor, signify by raising 5 your right hand. 6 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 7 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 8 (No response.) 9 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion carried. Let's go to 10 Item 5; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 11 drop private road name Chiquito Lane West and not rename this 12 road. Mr. Odom? 13 MR. ODOM: Yes, sir. Mr. Berthe applied to the 911 14 office to drop the private road name of Chiquito Lane West 15 and not to rename this road. This road is a private driveway 16 to Mr. Berthe's property. The 911 office has approved this 17 request. This road is a private road that is privately 18 maintained. So, at this time, we ask the Court for their 19 final approval to drop the private road name of Chiquito Lane 20 West and not rename this road at this time in Precinct 4. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Make a motion to approve. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 25 approval. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 10-28-13 19 1 raising your right hand. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 3 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 4 (No response.) 5 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Okay. Well, 6 let's go to our 9:20 timed item, Item 6. We are about there, 7 close enough. Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 8 to set a public hearing regarding the proposed private road 9 name change from current private road name of Jazz Lane West 10 to the new private road name of Twisted Oak Drive West, and 11 located in Precinct 4. 12 MR. ODOM: The same gentleman, Mr. Berthe, applied 13 to the 911 office on October the 18th, 2013, to drop the 14 current private road name of Jazz Lane West and rename this 15 private road name Twisted Oak Drive West. There are three 16 other property owners that this private road touches on their 17 property. Because of the other property owners' involvement, 18 we feel that a public hearing should be set before the 19 proposed private road name can be changed. So, at this time, 20 we ask the Court to set a public hearing for Monday, December 21 the 9th, 2013, at 9 a.m., Precinct 4. And also, you can see 22 that in the literature that we gave you, that the road name 23 change would not result in an address change for the 24 different parcels. One of the parcels of the four belongs to 25 this individual, so all other three have access another way 10-28-13 20 1 on a road, so I don't -- I don't see a problem. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I also see that they -- 3 the property owners have been notified of the public hearing. 4 MR. ODOM: Well, they will be. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They will be. 6 MR. ODOM: They will be. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I think they have, 8 maybe. That's what it says here. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Motion to approve the agenda 10 item. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 13 approval of the agenda item. Question or discussion? All in 14 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 16 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 17 (No response.) 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carried. 19 MR. ODOM: Thank you. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you, Mr. Odom. Let's go to 21 Item 7, if we might, to consider, discuss, and take 22 appropriate action to authorize the Environmental Health/ 23 Animal Control Director to hire a person for his vacant 24 position in the Animal Control Department. Mr. Garcia? 25 MR. GARCIA: Morning. This is a budgeted position. 10-28-13 21 1 It is the front desk Animal Control Officer/kennel assistant/ 2 administrative assistant. So, I am looking to fill it, and 3 it is at a 14.1. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move approval. There's a 5 vacancy, right? 6 MR. GARCIA: Yes, it is vacant. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second? 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 11 approval of the agenda item. Any further question or 12 discussion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 13 hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 16 (No response.) 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. 18 MR. GARCIA: Thank you. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Let's go to Item 8; to consider, 20 discuss, and take appropriate action to designate Kerr County 21 Environmental Health/Animal Control Director Ray Garcia as 22 the local Rabies Control Authority for Kerr County, with 23 alternates Nichole Golden and Charity Fegenbush. Are you 24 going to run with it, or is Mr. Garcia? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll go ahead; this will just 10-28-13 22 1 take a minute. This is really a housekeeping item. Charity 2 was the interim, and before we made some changes out there, 3 she was the Rabies Control Authority. And it needs to be 4 switched into Ray's name, and Charity will be an alternate, 5 along with Ms. Golden. So, I will move approval of the 6 agenda item. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 9 approval of the agenda item. Do we have any further 10 questions or discussion on the motion? All in favor of the 11 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 13 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 14 (No response.) 15 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Let's move 16 to Item Number 10; to acknowledge receipt of the quarterly 17 investment report from Patterson and Associates for the 18 quarter ending September 30, 2013. Ms. Soldan, you've 19 provided us with a copy of the investment report. Any member 20 of the Court have any questions for Ms. Soldan? Any 21 comments? 22 MS. SOLDAN: I don't have any comments, other than 23 this is the last report that Patterson will be providing to 24 us. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Because we have -- we've terminated 10-28-13 23 1 our agreement for their services? 2 MS. SOLDAN: Yes. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move we accept the report. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to accept 7 the report. Further question or discussion? All in favor, 8 signify by raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 11 (No response.) 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. Let's go to Item 13 11; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 14 nominate one or more persons to the Kerr Central Appraisal 15 District Board of Directors for 2014-15. The Appraisal 16 District, as you know, has a board, and there's a weighted 17 election based upon the total tax value. We have 18 traditionally nominated one -- one person, based upon the 19 number of votes we have. And if I'm not mistaken, our 20 current member on that board is Mr. Charles Lewis. Is that 21 not correct? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's correct. He's the 23 chairman or the president -- chairman, I guess, of that 24 board. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: He's served us well on that board 10-28-13 24 1 for many, many years. And the last discussion I had with 2 Mr. Lewis, he -- he's not indicated he wanted to hang it up. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right. There wasn't any 4 negative about it at all. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: No. No. In fact, he -- he was 6 pretty much engaged, I think, as president or chair of the 7 board. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If he wanted off, he would 9 let us know. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No hesitation. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: The colonel would have done that. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, I move that we renew 14 Mr. Lewis. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: We nominate him? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded to nominate 20 Mr. Lewis to the Kerr Central Appraisal District Board of 21 Directors for 2014-15. Is there any further discussion on 22 the motion? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Yes, sir? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- did the letter from 10-28-13 25 1 Fourth -- did it say that we could nominate five? And how 2 many positions are we filling? Do we know that? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: There will be a total -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Six, I believe. No, actually, 5 there's five, and then there's -- the Tax Assessor is 6 nonvoting. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But does it say we can 8 nominate five? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Oh, you can nominate as many as you 11 want, but you got to spread your votes then. If we nominate 12 one and weight all of our votes to the one, we can be assured 13 that one is on the board. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, got you. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's been a gentlemen's 16 agreement between the tax entities that K.I.S.D. has one, the 17 other school districts have one, -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the City has one, we have 20 one. K.I.S.D. may have two; they're by far the largest. 21 K.I.S.D. has one, we have one, City has one, other school 22 districts have one. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The other votes are split 24 where we give our excess votes to the other school districts, 25 I believe. 10-28-13 26 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So they can have 3 representation. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Any further question or discussion 6 on the motion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 7 hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 10 (No response.) 11 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. Let's go to 12 Item 12. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, on that -- 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Excuse me. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We need to vote -- did we cast 16 our votes in that same -- in that motion? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It says nominate. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: No, we'll get it back -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: -- under Number 5 there. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Return your nominations so they can 23 prepare the ballots. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to Item 12; 10-28-13 27 1 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to approve 2 contract with Ingram Volunteer Fire Department and Hill 3 Country CASA, and allow the County Judge to sign the same. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 7 approval. I have one question. On the Hill Country CASA, I 8 notice under Item 3, services, it says, "previously stated, 9 provide friends of the court," and that was marked out and it 10 said, "Provide GAL for use in the county in appropriate 11 cases." Nowhere in the document do I see what "GAL" means. 12 Do we know? 13 MR. HENNEKE: I understand it as guardian ad litem. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, that would make sense. 15 MR. HENNEKE: Which in the C.P.S. cases is where 16 the CASA representative is designated. The attorney is the 17 attorney ad litem. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: But it's not otherwise identified 19 within the body of the agreement that I can find. I didn't 20 go through there with a fine-tooth comb, but normally you 21 have the identification the first time it's mentioned, and 22 then you put the -- the moniker on it that you're going to 23 carry for the rest of the way. 24 MR. HENNEKE: No, you're right. That's -- but 25 that's what that abbreviation stands for. 10-28-13 28 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Any other question or 2 comment? All in favor of the motion, signify by raising your 3 right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 5 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 6 (No response.) 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Let's go to 8 Item 13; to consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 9 approve the 2014 resolution for the Indigent Defense Grant 10 program and authorize the County Judge to sign the 11 resolution. Ms. Hargis? 12 MS. HARGIS: This is the Indigent Defense Grant 13 that we applied for every year. We have to sign the 14 resolution before I can send in an expense report, so I would 15 appreciate being able to apply for the grant again. It's 16 about 41,000. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Bottom line is, if we want the 19 money, we'll do what they ask. 20 MS. HARGIS: Mm-hmm. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: If we don't do what they ask -- 22 MS. HARGIS: We don't get the money. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for 10-28-13 29 1 approval. Question or discussion? All in favor, signify by 2 raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 4 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 5 (No response.) 6 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. Okay, let's 7 go back and start picking up. Item 9, a 9:30 timed item; 8 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on a request 9 from the Hill Country Wrestling Club to use the show barn at 10 the Hill Country Youth Event Center for weekly practices, and 11 request a reduced rate for rental fees. Mr. Rufus Maxfield 12 and Paul Simone. 13 MR. MAXFIELD: Good morning. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Good morning, sir. 15 MR. MAXFIELD: I'm Rufus Maxfield, the head coach 16 of the Hill Country Wrestling Club. Most of you know Paul 17 Simone; I think probably all of you. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. 20 MR. MAXFIELD: Our roster's gotten to 16 young 21 athletes, and a couple of young girls as well as young boys. 22 We've been practicing at CeCe's gym, and it really isn't 23 large enough now, the room that we can use, for 16 folks. 24 And we've recently rented additional mats, so that we can't 25 even unroll the mats in the facility that we're in, so we 10-28-13 30 1 need a much larger facility. I'm hoping you can help us out. 2 It's a beautiful facility; I went there, of course, with the 3 county fair and looked things over. It's a beautiful 4 building. We practice -- currently, we practice Tuesdays, 5 Wednesdays, and Thursdays from 7:00 to 8:30. The folkstyle, 6 which is the current season, which is similar to the high 7 school and college rules, is February 22nd and 23rd, so we're 8 asking for practice time hopefully three days a week. 9 Obviously, we would certainly consider changing days and 10 hours if -- you know, if those times and hours don't work 11 out. We have applied for a charitable status, which we 12 haven't received yet, of course. This is a copy of our 13 proposed financial statement for this -- for this season -- 14 this year, actually. Which I could include freestyle and and 15 Greco season in the spring, but we're only asking for now 16 through February for now. Don't have a lot of money. We're 17 trying to, of course, drum up some sponsors. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Does the Ag Barn work best for 19 you, or exhibit hall? Is the exhibit hall big enough? 20 MR. MAXFIELD: You know, the exhibit hall would, I 21 think -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I meant the current exhibit 23 hall. With the columns, does that give you the area that you 24 need? Or you need -- 25 MR. MAXFIELD: Oh, easily. 10-28-13 31 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- to go into the Ag Barn 2 itself? 3 MR. MAXFIELD: Easily. The exhibit building would 4 be tremendous. We could even be there at the same time, 5 space-wise, as the roller derby people, you know, from the 6 columns to the -- to the side wall; plenty of space. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But we were -- the front 9 building -- 10 MR. MAXFIELD: Yes, sir. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- is what we call the exhibit 12 hall. The back building we call the show barn. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The new building is the show 14 barn. The old building is the exhibit hall. 15 MR. MAXFIELD: I see. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, you sound like you're 17 talking about the -- 18 MR. MAXFIELD: I was thinking of the new facility. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 20 MR. MAXFIELD: But the mat -- mat's 28 by 42. 21 That's the kind of space we need to practice, so anyplace, 22 really. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What's wrong with using the 24 other one? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Nothing. Just -- I was just 10-28-13 32 1 asking him which one. One's air-conditioned and one's not. 2 MR. MAXFIELD: You know, wrestlers are better off 3 if it's warm; get your muscles and joints more loosened up 4 and you're less apt to get hurt, so that's really not an 5 issue for us. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only -- and I don't think 7 it's probably a big concern, 'cause you do not take that much 8 area, is the -- when we use it for -- rent it for other 9 events. 10 MR. MAXFIELD: Yes, sir. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And moving things around and 12 that kind of -- three times a week use, you know, it would 13 almost be subject to renting it, and so it might change quite 14 a bit. We may -- you know, we have events that we just have 15 to -- people can't use it. Like, the month of January, it's 16 not available. 17 MR. MAXFIELD: It's not at all? 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, either building. 19 MR. MAXFIELD: I see. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Neither building. So, there's 21 a lot of time in there that, you know, we just -- we block 22 out for other bigger -- big -- other events. 23 MR. MAXFIELD: Right. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And, you know, I don't have a 25 problem subject to, you know, our scheduling, but -- 10-28-13 33 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Availability. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And availability. But the 3 problem is, it gives y'all a lot of moving things around, and 4 not -- you know, it may not work real well for y'all. 5 MR. MAXFIELD: I see. Well, you know, we've done 6 intermurals in school, pilot programs in three of the 7 elementary schools, so we're used to lugging the mats around, 8 and -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: How long have -- I'm sorry that I'm 10 not familiar with you. How long have you guys been up and 11 running? 12 MR. MAXFIELD: Not much over a year. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 14 MR. MAXFIELD: Paul is, of course, the director. 15 MR. SIMONE: We started -- well, actually, two 16 years ago. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: And tell us a little bit about the 18 program, and who all's involved in it, and what are the -- 19 what are the goals? And tell us about what you're doing. 20 MR. SIMONE: Let me back up just a little bit. I 21 wrestled in high school and college. Rufus did the same, and 22 some in the military, and he just got back from Budapest, 23 Hungary with the U.S.A. wrestling team, so that's the quality 24 of teacher -- 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Olympic? 10-28-13 34 1 MR. SIMONE: Getting ready for the Olympics, yes, 2 sir. So, it's always been my dream to have wrestling as a 3 sport in the Hill Country. When I was at the University of 4 Corpus Christi, we had a pilot program in 1968, and from 5 that, we -- it took that long to really establish a program 6 here. When Rufus came onboard, we really got up and running. 7 We've been at the Kroc Center. They've had some issues with 8 so many programs that we got pushed out of the way. CeCe has 9 been very accommodating to us, giving us one of her rooms 10 over there at the gym. You know, that -- we're finding that 11 that's getting rather small for the amount of kids that we 12 have. So, did that kind of fill in some of the blanks? 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Is your organization sanctioned by 14 U.S.A. Wrestling? 15 MR. MAXFIELD: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 17 MR. MAXFIELD: Yes, sir. The first page on the 18 left side there explains that we're, you know, sanctioned by 19 U.S.A. Wrestling. Which, of course, is the governing body 20 from the Olympics on down. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. We got the shooting sports 22 center just right outside of town here, probably the best 23 facility they got in the country. 24 MR. MAXFIELD: Sorry, what facility? 25 JUDGE TINLEY: U.S.A. shooting sports center out 10-28-13 35 1 there. 2 MR. MAXFIELD: Right. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: U.S. Olympic training center. 4 MR. MAXFIELD: Yes, sir. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: Here's what I'd like to see. 6 MR. MAXFIELD: Yes, sir? 7 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't know about anybody else, but 8 you say you've applied for your nonprofit status. We really 9 need that in order to legitimately give you some sort 10 of reduction, if we -- if we find a way to schedule you in. 11 So, what I'd like to do is to kind of place this on hold till 12 we get that, but in the meantime, work with Ms. Grinstead on 13 your schedule, -- 14 MR. MAXFIELD: Availability? 15 JUDGE TINLEY: -- or what might be worked out as a 16 schedule for you for whatever period it is that you want to 17 use it. And once we can put those two together, bring it 18 back, and I -- I think we'd be onboard with you. I'm all for 19 anything that's U.S.A. Olympic-sanctioned; so much the 20 better. I love it that we've got -- we've really got a big 21 feather in our cap with this shooting sports center. If we 22 can get it, more power to us, yeah. Appreciate your work. 23 MR. MAXFIELD: We expected to have to pay, and hope 24 to, you know, receive some consideration on that. But 25 wrestling in Texas is really -- we're behind the 8-ball 10-28-13 36 1 compared to most of the country. Where I moved from in New 2 York state, there were -- of course, this is club level, and 3 I coached high school as well, but the club, we could wrestle 4 five teams within 20 miles, you know, travel, where here 5 we're having to travel to Austin -- San Antonio is the 6 closest, and Austin. We were at Houston Saturday, and we 7 need to go to El Paso, and we have to go to Amarillo, and 8 there just aren't the clubs. There are 800 clubs in Texas, 9 but that's not many when you consider how big the State is. 10 So, we'd really like to get wrestling going. 11 And like you said, you didn't know we had wrestling 12 here, and we're trying -- we've got to get the word out. 13 We've got to get on the county schedule and the school 14 schedule and start being -- you know, we did do a float in 15 the River Fest, but we need to do more and more things like 16 that to be visible and get the word out. Like I say, I've 17 done three pilot programs at three of the elementary schools; 18 Tom Daniels, Tally, and Center Point, and I'm hoping to do 19 Ingram next and get the other two in Kerrville. And, again, 20 we want to be the Hill Country Wrestling Club, not the 21 Kerrville Wrestling Club, so that we can appeal to all those 22 areas, so that as we come to a point where the schools need 23 to have teams, they won't have to travel as far as we're 24 having to travel to wrestle opponents. But thank you for 25 your consideration. And -- 10-28-13 37 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the closest club right now 2 to you is in San Antonio? Would that be correct? 3 MR. MAXFIELD: The nearest club is actually in New 4 Braunfels; it takes us an hour and a half, and we have 5 traveled over there quite a bit and worked with them as well. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, great. 7 MR. MAXFIELD: There is one in Uvalde, I just found 8 out. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Good. 10 MR. MAXFIELD: Thank you. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. We appreciate it, and 12 bring that back to us. 13 MR. MAXFIELD: All right. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, thank you very much. 15 Commissioner Oehler? 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sir? 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Lots of folks want to use that barn 18 out there. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What's the matter? 20 JUDGE TINLEY: I said lots of folks wanting to use 21 that barn out there. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's amazing, isn't it? 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah. Okay, let's go to 24 Item 14, if we might; to consider, discuss, take appropriate 25 action to select a contractor for negotiations for the 10-28-13 38 1 Kerrville South Wastewater project, Phase 5. Commissioner 2 Moser? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. We can't 4 take any action on this today, because we're still lacking 5 some of the beneficiaries to sign up for the facility -- for 6 the sewer system out there. We hope to get that done this 7 week. I was out knocking on doors this weekend, trying to 8 get some of the last people that were probably not aware of 9 what they should do and what they need to do to get the 10 thing. So, we're going to have to bring it back, and we may 11 have to call a special session, because we're getting close 12 to the deadline of when we have to let that contract to be 13 consistent with the grant. So, that's all I have on that. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Okey-doke. Let's go to Item 15; to 15 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to allow use 16 of courthouse grounds and surrounding area for Veterans Day 17 parade and activities on November 11th, 2013. I asked that 18 this be placed on the agenda so that we can facilitate the 19 event that is, I think, still kind of sort of in the planning 20 stage. Commander Cantrell, good to have you with us today. 21 And you've got a program all lined out, and tell us -- tell 22 us more about it. 23 MR. CANTRELL: Okay. Bill Cantrell, 428 Saddle 24 Club Drive. And it's good to have you back. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, thank you, sir. 10-28-13 39 1 MR. CANTRELL: Your fellow veterans have been 2 praying for you. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Thank you. Appreciate that. 4 MR. CANTRELL: I can make this long-winded or 5 short-winded. The thing is, we -- our first meeting was, I 6 believe, the 15th of September, where we met at the Schreiner 7 Mansion, and there was a pretty good turnout for that. And 8 thanks -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I so graciously -- 10 MR. CANTRELL: Cornered me. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah. 12 MR. CANTRELL: Well -- 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Nailed you with the chair of the 14 committee. 15 MR. CANTRELL: Yeah. Well, we asked for volunteers 16 to be on the committee, and we got a lot of names. I think 17 we had -- you know, I think we have over 13 on the committee, 18 and we have members on the committee -- two members from 19 Military Order of the Purple Heart. We have two members from 20 the Military Order of the World Wars. We have two members 21 from the -- from VFW. We have one member from American 22 Legion 208. We have four members from AMVETS. The thing is, 23 I was surprised when we started out, there were no -- can we 24 call them civilians? -- on our committee. What's more, we 25 had no experience in forming a parade. We didn't know what 10-28-13 40 1 we could do and couldn't do, nor did we have any sponsors 2 that would commit any money to us. So, we decided to proceed 3 ahead and do it on our own. Those flyers were paid by 4 donation from the Purple Hearts. I paid for the fees at the 5 -- for the police application; that's a $50 fee plus a $250 6 deposit. But I spoke before the City Council, and they've 7 waived all of those fees and public works fees. 8 After our first meeting, we got our first civilian, 9 Robbin Burlew. And this is a very active committee; it's not 10 like the committee you described of 16. This committee are 11 worker bees. They're all jumping in there, and we hold our 12 meetings in a democratic fashion. Everybody has their say, 13 and we vote on it. So, our first inclination was -- because 14 we got some feelings that -- that some people didn't like the 15 idea of us interfering with public thoroughfares, Highway 16 16 and 27 in particular, so our first idea was to have a march. 17 With such little time, we decided we didn't want to have any 18 vehicles -- you know, heavy vehicles, floats, horses, 19 anything like that. That will be for next year, with a year 20 to plan. This year we decided to make a veterans' march, and 21 short enough where more veterans could make it, 'cause there 22 are a lot of our veterans in this community that couldn't 23 make much more than two blocks. Some can't make any blocks. 24 So, our first idea was starting at Washington and 25 Water, marching down Water Street into Peterson Plaza, to 10-28-13 41 1 hold our function there. Until I went to the Cailloux 2 Foundation and asked for permission to use that, and I got 3 the same answer everybody else did, so they made it very 4 clear. So, then luckily we had already voted in our previous 5 meeting to have a backup plan. Our backup plan was the 6 courthouse. And, frankly, we didn't even think about having 7 to ask permission, and so somebody thought of that and put it 8 on the agenda. So, anyway, we just switched our plan over to 9 Jefferson Street, again starting at Washington, and I've got 10 a little map here that I know everybody in front of me is 11 familiar with this map, and I don't even have to show it to 12 you. But for the audience, the staging area will be on 13 Washington between Main Street and Jefferson. The plan of 14 march will be westward down Jefferson to the entrance to the 15 drive into the courthouse property just before we get to 16 Sidney Baker. The police department will be blocking off 17 Washington from North Street to Main Street, Earl Garrett 18 from North Street to Main Street, and Sidney Baker and 19 Jefferson, and everybody will march down to the courthouse. 20 Now, here's the plan. And before I get to that 21 plan, I'll tell you who is so far involved. We planned -- we 22 planned for the parade to be led off by the American flag and 23 the Texas flag, and guardsmen. At this point, I'm trying to 24 consider -- we're trying to consider whether to have the 12 25 guardsmen with swords and sabers, or with a rifle. Tivy Air 10-28-13 42 1 Force ROTC is in on this. They will be carrying the American 2 flag, and have one of their cadets as a guardsman. The Texas 3 flag will be carried by a cadet from the Fredericksburg Naval 4 JROTC, and with his guardsmen. They'll be followed directly 5 by our guest of honor. We couldn't find a Congressional 6 Medal of Honor winner, but we have got a member from the 7 Legion of Valor, David Villanueva, who is a Distinguished 8 Service Cross bearer. He will be followed by all of the 9 service flags; Army, Marine Corps, Navy, Air Force, Coast 10 Guard, and the P.O.W. MIA flag, and a guardsman on each end. 11 One guardsman will be Navy JROTC; one will be Air Force. 12 We were going to use the cadets to carry all these 13 service flags, but then got a brainstorm, and I stopped at 14 the recruiter station, so we're having active duty military 15 in dress uniform with ribbons to carry the -- each of their 16 service flags. So far, we're striking out on finding a 17 Coastie -- Coast Guard to carry. Our backup plan is to use 18 one of the Navy JROTC cadets to carry that, because they 19 would have the same dress uniform as the Coast Guard. The 20 only difference would be the little patch on the sleeve and 21 the emblem on the hat. That's our backup plan right now. 22 They will be followed directly by the Tivy band playing a 23 march. I have to meet with Marty Lenard, the bandleader, 24 probably -- probably tomorrow morning, to see what his plans 25 are. Followed by the -- our local chapter of the Sons of 10-28-13 43 1 American Revolution in period dress, carrying their colors, 2 followed by the Boerne Sons of the American Revolution in 3 their period dress, followed by the Sons of the Confederacy 4 with their color guard and their period dress, followed by 5 the fire department color guard, if they can get them 6 together. 7 The police said they no longer had a color guard, 8 'cause we've asked. And the Sheriff's Department said they 9 don't have a color guard; we've asked. Followed by -- we've 10 already got a commitment from Girl Scouts. There might be up 11 to eight Girl Scout troops in there. It seems that the 12 district leader of the Boy Scouts is -- who works for Mooney, 13 is over somewhere across the ocean, so we are rather sure 14 that as soon as he gets back, that the Boy Scouts will be in 15 on it. I have to think who I'm forgetting, now. Of course, 16 the -- oh, the two ROTC's with what they have and their own 17 color guards, they'll be in there too. Then the last ones 18 will be the veterans' organizations, and so we know VFW will 19 be there. I've asked the Auxiliary from the VFW to be there 20 also with their colors. American Legion 208 will be there. 21 I've asked their Auxiliary and their Sons to bring their 22 color guard. AMVETS will be there, the Purple Hearts will be 23 there, the Military Order of the World Wars will be there. 24 The Marine Corps League will be there. And so that will be 25 kind of the order of march, but we're still fine-tuning. We 10-28-13 44 1 were going to ask you to be the announcer or speaker, but 2 we're giving you a break. I'm giving you more break than you 3 gave me. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah, that's sure true. 5 MR. CANTRELL: So, we're going to ask Harley Belew. 6 He hasn't been asked yet. We're going to appear on his show 7 on the 4th in the morning and talk about this. But he's got 8 a good speaking voice, and that's what our committee voted 9 on. And that will allow you to have a seat or mingle however 10 you feel, and Mayor Pratt as well, City Councilmen, 11 Commissioners, 'cause we're hoping everybody will be there. 12 But the -- proceed down the driveway, and the main marchers 13 will come up -- the seating will be on the grass here. The 14 Tivy band, we were planning here, but we don't want them in 15 the way. We're going to have them march down there, kind of 16 be in front of the cannon. The ROTC's may be over here, but 17 all of the veterans will be sitting here. The seating will 18 be for the veterans, not for the bystanders. We'll have to 19 ask the Girl Scouts, Boy Scouts, everybody else to stand. 20 Once the veterans are seated, anybody can take a seat that 21 wants to. But the flag bearers, the color guards, will be 22 branching off -- I didn't draw on this little walkway right 23 here -- and proceed down here. The American flag and Texas 24 flag here, this little monument there will be like a dais. 25 And Irene told me I spelled "days" instead of "dais." 10-28-13 45 1 Anyway, and behind the American flag, the Texas flag, will be 2 the service flags. And as the other color guards come in, 3 they will go around the paved semicircle and take position, 4 and the announcer will announce their post or their colors, 5 which they'll dip. This is all in fine-tuning. And so -- 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Sounds like you got it pretty well 7 worked out, Commander. 8 MR. CANTRELL: Well, I have to say that this -- 9 this committee is a -- it's kind of like our war memorial 10 committee; they're dynamite. Everybody takes part. And 11 Robbin is not the least bit set back from all the veterans. 12 She speaks up. She's got her own opinion. She does -- she 13 does her work. So -- so, we got several members right in 14 this room. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Earlier in the day, of course, at 16 11 o'clock, we're going to have the Veterans Day event there 17 on the driveway area there by the war memorial. And, of 18 course, by that time, all those -- that will be cleared out. 19 And, of course, a lot of those chairs, you can just move them 20 over, and maybe if more are needed, we can bring some more. 21 I don't know; you can estimate the number, and we'll get with 22 Tim and his maintenance people and figure out a way to make 23 that work. 24 MR. CANTRELL: If you notice, I put a registration 25 form up in front of your desk. We have got registration 10-28-13 46 1 forms for those that want to be in the parade, and we've 2 asked for them to be turned in by the 1st. Now, we can make 3 exceptions, but we kind of need to know how many we got 4 already. I think we're crowding Washington Street between 5 Jefferson and Main with the numbers we've got. We've got 6 some pretty good numbers out there now. Then the program -- 7 there's not going to be any speeches to speak of, just the 8 announcer announcing the colors. But the band then -- our 9 program will be music, and there will be, according to Marty 10 Lenard -- I talked to him -- maybe five or six pieces; the 11 service songs. We'll probably have everybody stand, just 12 like they do at the normal Memorial Day and Veterans Day 13 services we've had in the past. And after the music, it's 14 over. See, we want it short and sweet. Here's the idea we 15 had, that yes, this is a parade for veterans. Those of us 16 who are Vietnam veterans didn't have anything to come home; 17 we didn't have any parades, so the Vietnam veterans will 18 really enjoy something like this. But all of them will. But 19 we felt that our biggest supporters in this community are the 20 children of the community. We wanted this to appeal to the 21 children. And we know what children like, 'cause most of 22 them -- most of us have them. They like color, they like 23 flags, they like uniforms, they like noise, they like music. 24 They don't like speeches. (Laughter.) So, we're planning it 25 that way. 10-28-13 47 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Neither do us old guys. 2 MR. CANTRELL: Well, you get to hear Joe again 3 early in the day, I think. So, anyway, any questions? 4 JUDGE TINLEY: I think you got it worked out pretty 5 good, Commander. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fantastic. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: You know, we've worked on this thing 8 with -- with Vietnam veterans on their event for a number of 9 years, and it's just a matter of moving things over and 10 trying to make sure we got the right number and have it laid 11 out correctly, and I'm sure we can help accommodate you 12 there. This whole thing was kind of hatched, so to speak -- 13 Mr. Armstrong with the Kerrville Daily Times initiated that 14 first meeting, and we appreciate his efforts. And that's 15 where you got tagged, and now you're running with the ball 16 and doing a fine job. Sounds like you got a good -- 17 MR. CANTRELL: You have good people to work with, 18 and it becomes a lot easier. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: I hope the Daily Times has some 20 tricks up their sleeve to draw a big crowd of the young 21 people of this community so that we can accomplish the 22 objective of -- of getting our young people more involved in 23 appreciation of their military, and that's really the 24 objective. 25 MR. CANTRELL: We have gone to the -- I believe you 10-28-13 48 1 visited Ingram School District, as have I, and Bill Bacon was 2 going to the Center Point ISD. I went to Mr. Troxel's 3 office. You have to get permit letters before you can take 4 these flyers to the principals. I've already been to the 5 principal at Tivy, and he's going to -- he's fully 6 supportive, as is Mr. Troxel. So, we're going to all of the 7 schools asking the principals to make announcements, get it 8 to the PTA's. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Great. 10 MR. CANTRELL: Any questions? 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Sounds great. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Super. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: The agenda item is to allow use of 14 the courthouse grounds and surrounding area for the Veterans 15 Day parade and activities on November 11, 2013. Do I hear a 16 motion for approval of that agenda item? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded. Question 20 or discussion? All in favor, raise your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 22 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 23 (No response.) 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion carries. You've got it 25 planned out. 10-28-13 49 1 MR. CANTRELL: Thank you, Judge. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: We appreciate all your efforts, 3 Commander. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Give me a minute outside. 5 MR. CANTRELL: Sure. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you going to take a 7 break? 8 JUDGE TINLEY: I could do that; this would be a 9 good time for that. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: Why don't we take a break? 12 (Recess taken from 10:01 a.m. to 10:45 a.m.) 13 - - - - - - - - - - 14 JUDGE TINLEY: Why don't we come back to order, if 15 we might, from our recess, and let's go to Section 4 of the 16 agenda. Payment of the bills. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we pay the bills. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded for payment 20 of the bills. Any question or discussion? All in favor, 21 signify by raising your right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 24 (No response.) 25 JUDGE TINLEY: That motion does carry. We've got a 10-28-13 50 1 -- no budget amendments? 2 MR. ROBLES: Not at this time. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Late bills. We've got a couple of 4 late bills here. 5 MR. ROBLES: Three of them. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: We've got Crenwelge Motors and Cindy 7 Huggins. Are these -- are these chargeable to 2012-13? 8 MR. ROBLES: No, sir. The one to Norma (sic) 9 Whitlow is chargeable to 2013. 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, that's an encumbrance. So, 11 Whitlow is an encumbrance. These other two are for the 12 current budget year that we're in right now. 13 MR. ROBLES: Yes, sir. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: All right. Do I hear a motion that 15 the late bills as presented be paid? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded that the 19 late bills be paid as indicated. Question or discussion? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to make a point, 21 that this says "Norma" Whitlow. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Norma, not Norman? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Norma. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Oh. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll see that he gets this. 10-28-13 51 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You'll see that he gets a 2 copy of that? 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other comments? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Old Norma. 5 JUDGE TINLEY: All in favor, signify by raising 6 your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 9 (No response.) 10 JUDGE TINLEY: The motion does carry. I've been 11 presented with monthly reports for September by Kerr County 12 Treasurer and Justice of the Peace, Precinct 1. Do I hear a 13 motion that the indicated reports be approved as presented? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion made and seconded that the 17 indicated reports be approved as presented. Question or 18 discussion? All in favor, signify by raising your right 19 hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE TINLEY: All opposed, same sign. 22 (No response.) 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Motion does carry. Okay. Let's go 24 to the next section of the agenda. Reports from 25 Commissioners in connection with their liaison or 10-28-13 52 1 assignments. Commissioner Moser? 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's see, a couple things. 3 Airport Board is going to have a special meeting a week from 4 Wednesday to get the contract kicked off for the new 5 T-hangars, and I think that that will move very quickly; a 6 matter of a couple months, and I think we'll have the 7 T-hangars in place. The other thing -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Do you know whether there are going 9 to be 10 or 12? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's going to be 12, but it 11 may be 11 plus a jet pod, is one of the configurations, a jet 12 pod being a little bit larger than a conventional T-hangar. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Sure. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, the criteria on that is, 15 you know, bring forward the, you know, cost on that and what 16 the revenue from that particular thing is. So -- 17 JUDGE TINLEY: It will generate considerably more 18 rental. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It will generate considerably 20 more. The market is a little bit less for that kind of 21 airplane, 'cause it won't take a big jet, just a small jet. 22 So, anyway, that will be discussed. Then one other thing on 23 the -- the First Responder volunteers in the county for the 24 EMS. Met with the City a couple weeks ago; asked them to 25 give us their recommended criteria on what the person needed 10-28-13 53 1 to be as far as qualifying to be a First Responder, 'cause we 2 have people waiting to do that, and we need to get them on 3 board as quick as we can. Bruce and I -- Buster and I have 4 been talking about that. And so they've submitted that. Met 5 with Dawn and Rob, and we've got sort of a plan laid out. 6 So, what we'll do is come back to Commissioners Court, 7 probably in executive session, and say how we need to move on 8 this thing quickly. So, they're going to look at it from, 9 does the person qualify technically? And do they provide the 10 -- they will provide the training and all that, so they're 11 just saying that we need to -- to establish a criteria by 12 which we nominate somebody for that. So, we'll do that. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Is that it? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's it. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: Commissioner Letz? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two things. I'm working -- we 17 met, I guess, a week ago, two weeks ago with those that are 18 kind of involved with subdivision rules and regulations, and 19 working on the revisions to our rules. Nothing real 20 significant. It's more really just adjusting to some of the 21 new laws, and also make them a little bit easier. We seem to 22 be getting a lot more revision of plats, as opposed to new 23 developments, and trying to figure out a way to make those a 24 little bit easier and a little bit more cost-effective for 25 the people trying to do it, and at the same time, be in 10-28-13 54 1 compliance with all the laws and O.S.S.F. and subdivision 2 rules. So, working on that. 3 And then I think the other thing is, I think we're 4 getting a little bit closer with Little League. The 5 direction that's going to go, it looks like I'll be bringing 6 back to the Court a draft version before long, but it'll be a 7 license agreement, somewhat similar to what Bexar County did 8 with McAllister Little League. Probably a -- you know, we'll 9 have some responsibilities on maintenance over there. Little 10 League will take over the majority of it. They're going to 11 charge a fee to all users that are non-Little League -- or 12 there will actually be a maintenance fee for Little League 13 users and others. Everybody will pay a fee for maintenance 14 of the facilities, but it will be kind of coordinated. 15 Anyway, we're getting pretty close on that. Blake Caraway is 16 their president right now, and it should work out. That's 17 it. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Commissioner Oehler? 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, I kind of alluded 20 earlier to some fundraisers. Stock Show fundraiser this year 21 raised $80,000, the most they've ever done, and the largest 22 crowd. 4-H, same way. They raised about 60,000 the 23 following weekend, and unbelievable how that works out every 24 year, but that really does help. It helps, of course, Stock 25 Show provide more scholarships, and also helps 4-H with 10-28-13 55 1 funding some things for kids. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Both of those functions were more 3 successful because you had the additional space at the show 4 barn. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's right. They couldn't 6 have -- you know, it wouldn't have worked in the old one. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: No, hmm-mm. And they just flat 8 couldn't shoehorn enough people in the exhibit hall. They -- 9 you know, it -- it did okay for what we had, but -- 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: -- the success of both of those 12 events was due to the additional space. They were able to 13 make things more comfortable and work better. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I had one negative comment. 15 I have to say, I hear negative comments here and there, but I 16 had one from a constituent about the new building. He said, 17 "Why, when you build a building this size, don't you heat and 18 air-condition it?" Well, this is a show barn; this is not 19 the exhibit hall. 20 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, we'll get there. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It was unusually warm for that 23 event. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It was, but then it cooled 25 down. 10-28-13 56 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, it -- 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It wasn't bad. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It has those great fans in 4 there. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, blow your hat off. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What kind of fans? 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Big Ass fans. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Big Ass fans. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, that's it. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: You got anything for us, 12 Mr. Commissioner? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't as far as my job 14 duties are concerned, but I do have a question for 15 Commissioner Letz on subdivision regs. Don Voelkel keeps 16 screaming about something that -- that he is dealing with 17 O.S.S.F. I can't remember exactly what that is; it didn't 18 make much sense to me. Are you going to address that? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're trying to address it, but 20 I've talked to his brother, and we think that let's just not 21 let Don handle any of these plats any more. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, I'm there. I'm there. 23 That's the best way to handle it. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's Lee's angle. Let him do 25 other surveys that don't rare replat. 10-28-13 57 1 MR. HENNEKE: That's a great solution. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But we are trying to address 3 it, and it's -- it's a -- it's a fine line. Don -- we're not 4 going to make him totally happy, but I think we recently had 5 a small subdivision revision that the scrutiny that our 6 Environmental Health Department went over proved why it's 7 needed, because there was a well in the wrong spot and 8 things -- and septic too close, things like that. So, what 9 we are trying to do is make it a little bit easier, and 10 trying to make our -- our subdivision rules more clear as to 11 what's required. Right now, I think one of the problems is 12 our rules -- I mean, our O.S.S.F. rules are about half a 13 page. They're going to probably be about four or five pages 14 by the time we're done, because just -- people don't like 15 going to 285 and reading 285, and we're trying to make it all 16 in one document where it's clear, and also have some 17 guidelines. So, if you're over 10 acres, you don't have to 18 do all the stuff, or if you're, you know, a certain acre 19 size, or if you're combining lots, and you don't have to do 20 it. You know, try and make it real clear what the 21 requirements are, and they're not real clear right now. I 22 think we will -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, we all remember the 24 times when people had to go -- they'd have to come to the 25 County and go to the City, and then back and forth, back and 10-28-13 58 1 forth, to get any -- to get all of it done. And that's 2 ridiculous to do that, so we've come a long way. Come a long 3 way, and we keep chipping at it to where we're going to be 4 perfect one of these days. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're going to make another run 6 with the ETJ issue, too. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good. Good, that should be 8 fun. I'll watch. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Good time to be had by all. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 12 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Let's go to reports from 13 elected officials or department heads. Nada? What's your 14 census out there now? 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We dropped a little bit this 16 week; we're at 138 this morning, 21 females. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: 21 females? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We had gotten up to 19 160-something last week. The biggest problem right now is, I 20 think the courts are sentencing more, but I think T.D.C. has 21 slowed down a little bit. I have 19 waiting to go. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: Paper-ready? 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Paper-ready. Of course, 24 they're getting them before they have to pay us for them, 25 within the 45 days, but it's still just, I think, the new 10-28-13 59 1 court or the court redistricting, and they're slowing down. 2 We'll just have to look at it, keep a close eye on it. 3 JUDGE TINLEY: Do you see, with the redistricting, 4 that there's more activity in the movement of criminal cases 5 in Kerr County? 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Which is a good thing. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, that was -- 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You know, what impact that has 11 had on my jail population, I'm still looking. I know -- 12 'cause I know they've had some that have been out on bond, 13 and now they're sentenced. We'll get those. They're just -- 14 there's a lot of different factors in there to see why we 15 went up so quick for a while there, but we'll see where it 16 goes. I hope it will level off. Now, the other thing is, 17 since we have taken over our kitchen ourselves now and are 18 doing our own meals -- of course, I think today Clay's 19 picking up the permit on the health inspection on the old 20 juvenile facility kitchen that hadn't been used. We've got 21 it up and -- and inspected now and online to where we can 22 start cleaning and packaging our own produce to use inside 23 the jail. The other thing is, we have dropped our meal cost, 24 and even though it is -- they are dietitian-approved, 25 licensed. We're not starving inmates, but we did drop our 10-28-13 60 1 meal cost from $1.26 a meal that we were paying in the 2 contract to 80 cents a meal. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 80 cents? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 80 cents a meal. So, it's 5 been pretty good. So, it's looking good and doing good. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are you -- is the garden making 7 up a big part of this? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The garden has not been used 9 indoors -- in-house yet. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Has not? 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We're still donating that. 12 I'm hoping that will drop it some. The hardest thing 13 in-house, when you run 140 inmates and over 400 meals a day, 14 a 1-acre garden's probably really not enough that I'm going 15 to see a bunch of downturn out of that. And I don't want to 16 quit donating that to the Meals on Wheels program and CAM and 17 some of the those that really are beneficial. So -- 18 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, there should be enough 19 overflow to -- 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's why 21 we've got the old kitchen back up, and we'll use volunteers 22 and that in there to help blanch and package the produce so 23 we can use it in-house. That was the whole purpose. So, 24 it's looking good and moving. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, hopefully as -- as we go 10-28-13 61 1 forward after the -- after the court realignments, we'll see 2 a constant beneficial effect on your census there at the 3 jail. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And I think that's true. I 5 think we got to get through probably this first year of 6 realignment. There was such a backlog that it's just -- it's 7 up and down so much, it's really hard to see exactly where 8 we're going to settle down at. You know, the biggest issue 9 we will have to address at some point -- 10 JUDGE TINLEY: Females. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- is going to be females. I 12 don't see that going away at all. And I think every jail in 13 the state's facing that same issue. It's just -- we're going 14 to have to do something with it, because it's getting hard. 15 You know, where I had moved out, you know, some male cells 16 that we could use for the females, now the male population's 17 starting to go up to where I don't have that capability, and 18 that will be something this Court's going to have to address. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Anything else? Okay. Well, it's 20 about 11 o'clock. Why don't we go to our 11 o'clock timed 21 item; Item Number 16, which is a presentation by Thomas Lower 22 with the SpyGlass Group, L.L.C., regarding their audit 23 services. Mr. Lower? 24 MR. LOWER: Shall I come up to the podium? 25 JUDGE TINLEY: You may. You may. 10-28-13 62 1 MR. LOWER: How's everybody doing this morning? 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Just tell us what you got. Give us 3 your pitch, and -- 4 MR. LOWER: All right, sounds good. I've already 5 met with Judge Tinley before, but I come here today to 6 present to you -- I'm not sure -- did he speak with any of 7 you about what SpyGlass does? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Nope. I mentioned that if you 10 wanted to take a shot at the Court, why, we could get it on 11 the agenda, and here you are. 12 MR. LOWER: Here we are, okay. So, what we are is 13 a unique cost advisory and auditing firm. We work with many 14 counties, any other organizations or companies looking to 15 reduce costs, and our specific area of focus is 16 telecommunications, so that's the local phone, long distance, 17 internet and data transfer. Obviously, we've found every 18 organization has internal processes to keep eyes on bills. 19 But in an honest moment, we'll admit that this area just 20 isn't our expertise when it comes to the billing side of 21 things. So, just to avoid any confusion, though, we do not 22 sell any services, any phone service. We're not affiliated 23 with any providers. We just simply audit the bills to make 24 sure the community's billing responsibly. 25 From my past conversation with Judge Tinley here, I 10-28-13 63 1 did think it made sense to at least run the audit. We are 2 100 percent contingency-based, so it means if we don't find 3 anything, there's no type of fee. How the process works, all 4 we need to run our analysis is copies of two month's bills, 5 and then a letter of authorization. That allows us to reach 6 out to the providers and get the rest of the documents 7 necessary to run our analysis. What that'll do is, we'll go 8 back to headquarters for four to six weeks, run that analysis 9 and make an inventory of every single line, circuit, service, 10 any type of billing line item, so that's any tax or tariff, 11 fee or surcharge. That's what gives us the financial insight 12 to see if there are any cost-saving opportunities, any 13 inefficiency that might be out there that we'll be able to 14 correct. One great thing is if we don't find anything, 15 there's no fee. The least you would get is that inventory 16 list so you know what you're paying for, and how much. So, 17 what the inventory will do on that is push out 18 recommendations into three different buckets. The first is 19 any recovery dollars, so that's if there were past billing 20 mistakes, any tax or tariff or fee surcharge, we would be 21 able to get that back in the form of a lump sum repayment 22 from the provider. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: May I ask you a question? 24 MR. LOWER: Yes, of course. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're talking about the 10-28-13 64 1 cost recovery -- 2 MR. LOWER: Yes. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- at this point, and so in 4 the fees section of it, if you do recover some in that -- in 5 that particular line, your company gets 50 percent of it? Is 6 that what I'm reading? 7 MR. LOWER: Yes. Yes. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Let's go down to 9 every one of them that you go down; let's talk about how much 10 you get out of it. 11 MR. LOWER: Okay, yeah. I was going to get to the 12 fee structure after I explained the recommendations, but yes, 13 you are correct. The recovery recommendation has its own fee 14 structure, where anything we would get back for you from the 15 provider, we would split it 50/50 share. And then our second 16 recommendation is the service elimination, so we would do 17 that detailed usage analysis, see if there are any dormant 18 services out there that are being paid for, but not used on a 19 monthly basis. The reason for that is that providers are 20 sales-based, not efficiency-based, so they will not tell you 21 if you're paying for something, but not using it. And as you 22 can see on there, it -- that and the general cost reduction, 23 which is the third recommendation, are done a little 24 differently to where we calculate the monthly amount we've 25 saved per each recommendation, and then attach a multiplier 10-28-13 65 1 of 12 to that, so what that math comes out to equal would be 2 the first 12 month's savings, and then the client's savings 3 are thereafter. 4 And the example I always use would be if we did 5 find a dormant line that was running $10 a month, we'd 6 present it as a recommendation. The client tells us, 7 "Implement that with the provider." Not until we're able to 8 verify that all that heavy lifting has been completed, the 9 line's been cut from service, would we get 10 times 12, 120. 10 And the reason behind it is that when we did go out in the 11 business in 2001, our two CEO's had to ask, "What would make 12 this advantageous?" They always heard that we need to be 100 13 percent success-based with no initial cost for the analysis, 14 and that our clients do get to pick and choose which 15 recommendations, if any, they want to move forward with. And 16 if we're willing to take those two risks in the front end 17 that we might not find anything, and the client might not 18 even want to move forward with anything, but still guarantee 19 a return on investment within 12 months, it's a win-win. 20 Now, I know when we spoke, I did get approved by my 21 supervisor to where it would be 50 up front, and then 50 at 22 the end of the year. Is that the agreement that we're 23 looking at? 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I mentioned that, because most 25 of these things are done on what we call a retro audit, on 10-28-13 66 1 your actual cost. And based upon that, I thought it would be 2 more appropriate if you make a deposit of 50 percent of it up 3 front, whatever you do on the last two, and then whatever the 4 actual is, of course, can be adjusted at the far end, so that 5 whatever the actual was, you deduct the deposit that's been 6 made in the other. But -- 7 MR. LOWER: Yeah. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: -- I just thought that was probably 9 the fairer way to do it, in terms of achieving the actual 10 amount, if, in fact, there was a sign-up based upon your 11 contract here. 12 MR. LOWER: Exactly, yeah. And I did get that 13 approved by my supervisor. He doesn't have a problem with 14 it, and that's perfectly fine. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: The theory being that if we left 16 things alone and just went on down the road, we'd pay that 17 this year, next year, and the next year and the next year and 18 the next year. And whatever you save us in that first year, 19 why, y'all get that for finding it, and -- and we get the 20 benefits of it in years two, three, four, five, whatever. 21 MR. LOWER: Exactly. So, that's the return on 22 investment. No matter what, you would receive it within 12 23 months. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't think Buster likes that. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A question. 10-28-13 67 1 MR. LOWER: Of course. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What experience do you have in 3 dealing with other institutions like the size of ours, with 4 other counties or cities or -- give us some -- I'm sure 5 you've got a favorite set of facts that you -- 6 MR. LOWER: Well, we have over 3,000 clients. To 7 be completely honest with you, I've been here in Texas for 8 only about four or five months; still haven't officially 9 worked with any counties, and I don't believe our two Dallas 10 representatives are working with any either. But we have 11 worked with -- I can't even think of all the counties in the 12 midwest or on the east coast that we've worked with. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, just from your company, 14 what's been -- and it doesn't have to be a county; it could 15 be a city or some other type of unit like that. What's -- so 16 what's your company experience in that? Do you know? 17 MR. LOWER: Well, we average a 25 percent reduction 18 overall. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wow. 20 MR. LOWER: And then -- 21 MR. HENNEKE: For governmental entities? 22 MR. LOWER: Oh, any type of company. Governmental 23 entities, there's more opportunity in the recovery because of 24 the taxes and the tariffs, because they mess those up a lot, 25 especially AT&T and any other type of provider, because they 10-28-13 68 1 don't realize that they should -- that it's a nonprofit 2 governmental entity, so it should be tax-exempt. We can get 3 that back. That's typically -- we average two out of every 4 three clients will get recovery. And then service 5 elimination we'll find in 9 out of 10 circumstances, and 6 that's just because your business is fluid, so people come, 7 people go, systems change. We find that. And then general 8 cost reduction is really just analyzing the rates and making 9 sure it's as competitive as possible. That's really just 10 looking forward. So, an average of 25 percent reduction. 11 Now, that's hard to say. Since we are contingency-based, we 12 have found 50 percent reduction; we've found 10 percent 13 reduction. That's why we start off with no initial cost, 14 because we don't know if we're going to find anything or not. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: On your service elimination savings 17 or cost reduction savings, that would be go-forward items, as 18 recommended by you, and changes in our -- in our service, and 19 it would then be applicable only to those that we elect to go 20 with? 21 MR. LOWER: Correct. 22 JUDGE TINLEY: If we don't -- if we say no, we 23 don't want to do that one, we don't want to do these three, 24 but we'll do these five, it will be only applicable to the 25 ones that we elect to obtain the savings from. 10-28-13 69 1 MR. LOWER: Yes. Yes, exactly how you just put it. 2 The word "only" is in the agreement in capital letters in the 3 fee section for a reason, and that is pointing out to our 4 clients that it is only applicable to the recommendations our 5 client chooses to move forward with and have us implement for 6 them. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: This is a one-time 8 evaluation? 9 MR. LOWER: One-time snapshot audit. The whole 10 process takes about three months, give or take. Four to six 11 weeks for the actual analysis, and then a month to two months 12 for the implementation period where we're working with the 13 provider to get everything done. 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So, basically, it runs for 15 one year and then it's over? 16 MR. LOWER: Yes. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Any other questions of Mr. Lower? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Have you visited with our 19 Auditor? 20 MR. LOWER: I have not. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Do you think that's a -- maybe that 22 should happen? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think it should be the 25 Auditor and I.T. 10-28-13 70 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And probably -- 2 JUDGE TINLEY: The Treasurer. I forwarded a copy 3 of this -- after my initial discussion with Mr. Lower, I 4 forwarded it to John in I.T., and he -- he didn't seem to be 5 opposed to it. He said we -- they're probably going to find 6 something, and they probably should. That's why they're in 7 business, or they wouldn't be doing it. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's true. The other thing 9 is, John doesn't have time to deal with something like that. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't see much of a down 11 side to it. 12 MR. LOWER: There's not much up-front risk. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think Bruce is exactly 14 right. John would be the guy that would do something like 15 this, and he doesn't have enough time to do it, so -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or the Auditor. I mean, on the 17 tax -- I mean, I don't know how often they look at that to 18 see, you know -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But that's one part of it. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But on the -- oh, James 21 is here. I mean, I don't know if y'all look at every AT&T -- 22 MR. ROBLES: She keeps a close eye on anything like 23 that. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Pardon? 25 MR. ROBLES: She keeps a close eye on anything like 10-28-13 71 1 that. But, you know, -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So -- 3 MR. ROBLES: -- we're not going to know if all the 4 phone lines are being used, you know. That's -- 5 JUDGE TINLEY: And you don't get into each of the 6 individual tariffs or anything like that -- 7 MR. ROBLES: Yeah, we don't -- 8 JUDGE TINLEY: -- on the bill? 9 MR. ROBLES: We don't have time to go through the 10 thousands of, you know -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Now, will it do the county 12 and, like, our office? Sheriff's Office has some that are 13 separate. Is it still going to cover that under your one 14 contract that you're going to do with AT&T over here, but, 15 like, my cell phone is separate from what, you know, the rest 16 of the county has. It's still going to be considered in the 17 same contract? 18 MR. LOWER: If it's in the -- so you're saying that 19 the billing is not with the county? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, the billing is with the 21 county. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Different provider. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Different provider. Different 24 contract. 25 MR. LOWER: Okay. Yeah, if it's still with the 10-28-13 72 1 county, it's still -- it will be under the same agreement. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Any bill that goes through the 3 Auditor's office will be -- 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- checked, I would suspect. 6 MR. LOWER: If you can get us two copies of a bill, 7 we'll audit it. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wow. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How do you go about checking 10 the usage of known lines and data lines and all that? How do 11 you -- 12 MR. LOWER: Yeah, there's a -- that's a good 13 question. So, we have a program that actually one of our -- 14 the CEO who is the technology professional, he has -- he sort 15 of helped make it to where we can see which ones are being 16 used and which ones aren't, and then we also do just basic 17 test phone calls to where we would call. If somebody 18 answers, okay, that's a good line. And then sometimes 19 they're just disconnected, but still being paid for, and 20 that's where we'll obviously cut that line out. 21 JUDGE TINLEY: Mr. Lower, let me make a suggestion, 22 that you do a rework of your contract on the last two 23 services on the structuring of -- of how you get paid, and 24 there's a -- it's doubled up, and forward that to us. We'll 25 let the County Attorney review it, and then let the Court 10-28-13 73 1 make a final decision based upon looking at that particular 2 agreement. 3 MR. LOWER: So, just -- just looking at that 4 agreement, I'm not sure -- it says 12 times in the fee 5 structure. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, I'm -- 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes. 8 MR. LOWER: In the third section, that's the actual 9 invoicing section where we put in the 50 percent, or two 10 equal installments, one in the very beginning and one at the 11 end of the engagement. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The other thing you may do is 13 visit with Mr. Trolinger, our I.T. person, because he's very 14 protective about things -- software being added into our 15 software package. So, I mean, just make sure that he is 16 willing to let y'all access it with some software. 17 MR. LOWER: Yeah. We -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I say that, you know, just to 19 warn you. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 21 MR. LOWER: Yeah. We wouldn't be adding anything 22 to your costs. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: On your invoicing, I notice that it 24 talks about "two equal." They're not necessarily going to be 25 equal. Of course, at the end, you've got a bailout clause 10-28-13 74 1 where it says, "in no event be greater than the actual amount 2 of the service elimination savings or cost reduction savings 3 as provided and which we elect to go with." But this is 4 going to have to pass muster over here, and if you want to do 5 a rework, fine. If you want to try and go with this one, 6 why, he can look at this one. But -- 7 MR. LOWER: I'll just leave -- he can specifically 8 figure out how to word it -- 9 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Well -- 10 MR. LOWER: -- so it's -- 11 JUDGE TINLEY: I don't know what you have in the 12 way of legal people there on staff that work with you, or -- 13 but you can work with the County Attorney to get something 14 that maybe is acceptable, and then the Court can take a yea 15 or nay shot at the whole thing. 16 MR. LOWER: Okay. All right, yeah. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: You're still in the game, but I 18 don't know whether you're going to -- whether you're going to 19 -- what's going to happen at the end of it, okay? 20 MR. LOWER: Okay. So, should I reach out to -- is 21 it John? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: John Trolinger. And -- 23 MR. ROBLES: I can get him his information. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And get with Mr. Robles right 25 here. He'll get you in with the Auditor, who's the guru of 10-28-13 75 1 all the bills. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And the County Attorney. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: County Attorney, of course. 4 MR. LOWER: County Attorney. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Those three. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sounds good. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: That way you'll have some experience 8 when you go to the next county, 'cause you'll probably get 9 the same kind of drill. Okay? 10 MR. LOWER: Yeah. 11 JUDGE TINLEY: So -- 12 MR. LOWER: I appreciate it. 13 JUDGE TINLEY: -- think of it as good training. 14 MR. LOWER: You're helping me out here. 15 JUDGE TINLEY: You've only been here four, five 16 months in Texas, and we want to be hospitable, but we're real 17 tight about our business, okay? 18 MR. LOWER: Of course. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's the -- how much is our 20 fee on the that training? (Laughter.) 21 MR. LOWER: So, okay, I'll work to make sure that 22 the agreement is all correct. 23 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 24 MR. LOWER: I'll reach out to John. 25 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. 10-28-13 76 1 MR. LOWER: As well as the Auditor, and hopefully 2 the County Attorney here will give me the go-ahead. And then 3 when -- just for a time frame, I know we have a lot to do on 4 my part. I don't know -- when would the decision be made if 5 I got everything done? 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, when it's ready to be brought 7 back, we can get it back on the agenda. 8 MR. LOWER: Okay. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: And like I say, give it a yea or 10 nay. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We meet every two weeks. 12 MR. LOWER: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second and fourth Monday. 14 MR. LOWER: Got it. Okay, then. I appreciate it 15 very much. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 18 MR. LOWER: Thanks for having me. 19 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Why don't we go forward on 20 our 11:30 timed item? Hopefully everyone's here that needs 21 to be here. To consider, discuss, and take appropriate 22 action regarding the community service projects with the 23 Christian Men's Job Corps. We have Mr. Tom Jones with us. 24 MR. JONES: Yes, sir. I'm the director of the 25 Christian Men's Job Corps. I also serve -- volunteer as the 10-28-13 77 1 chaplain -- director of chaplaincy for the Sheriff here, I 2 guess for y'all, at the county jail. The Christian Men's Job 3 Corps started back in May of '05, and we work with men of 4 every walk of life, college-educated to straight from jail. 5 Actually, we've interviewed men that are in jail to come to 6 the Christian Men's Job Corps, and we feel like appropriately 7 teaching them life skills, work ethics, Bible study, 8 computer, that we try to create better citizens for Kerr 9 County so that they can be more productive. One of the 10 things that we've discovered over the last eight and a half 11 years, and we've seen some of this even through Partners in 12 Ministry, where they've done the CSI projects, is that there 13 is still a great need for these men to be able to live a 14 normal life and serve their proper community service hours 15 that they justifiably owe the residents of Kerr County. 16 And so, to be able to do that, what we're wanting 17 to do is to try to create almost like a clearinghouse effect 18 of what Partners in Ministry have been doing for years, and 19 have a multi-faceted type of program to where we have a 20 division that's going out, getting the resources that we 21 need, one that's tracking and finding men and women that are 22 qualified, that are -- to do the community service hours. 23 And by "qualifying," basically I'm just meaning that they -- 24 they're in a mindset of trying to move forward, to where they 25 can -- they can go out and serve the community back and give 10-28-13 78 1 back to the community, and not have a bunch of worries about 2 who's doing what. We'll have people overseeing it, 3 naturally, and you're going to have to have -- have to 4 consider the recidivism rate at the jail. 5 If we can find a way to reach these men to see that 6 community service is that; it's more of a service, trying to 7 give back for what they've done. And -- and because a lot of 8 these men are family men. They have jobs. They have good 9 jobs. They've made a mistake. They may have a couple 10 hundred hours of community service, and for -- and rightfully 11 so, but they do need to be able to give back to the community 12 in that regards. And we do have those projects throughout 13 the county, but we don't have it to where it's readily 14 available, where it's actually -- and in a lot of cases, to 15 where it's actually giving back directly to the citizens, the 16 elderly and folks that just can't do it for themselves. And 17 so we're wanting to try to do that. 18 I want to read a Bible verse up here for -- Buster 19 may cringe a little bit, but in Galatians 5:13, it says, 20 "You, my brothers, were called to be free. But do not use 21 your freedom to indulge the sinful nature; rather, serve one 22 another in love." We want them to learn that message, that 23 that service -- they learn it through the Christian Men's Job 24 Corps already, that when we go out and serve them, they come 25 in, they're ready to go back out and give by the time we get 10-28-13 79 1 through. I've got graduates that are with us, have been 2 working, giving back, and trying to help other men move 3 forward, some of them for five, six years. They don't have a 4 reason to be there; they just want to help serve and to help 5 move it forward. 6 I'm not sure what our liabilities will be in all of 7 this, because we are going to have to have a division also in 8 this that's going to be going out and searching out projects. 9 It'll help, I think -- my vision of it, anyway, as clear as 10 it is in my head -- try to network a little better with all 11 the different agencies. I know I've talked to Rhonda Richter 12 with United Way; she's willing to help some. I know 13 Salvation Army will, your different churches throughout Kerr 14 County. Some of them are pretty small; they don't have a way 15 of serving their elderly in their church. And it could be 16 something as small as mowing yards or going in, cleaning 17 their house, going out and doing repairs on decks. We don't 18 know yet what that's going to look like, but I do know that 19 if we have those projects readily available and people to 20 oversee that, that they will at that time be able to go at 21 their convenience and still meet up to the time constraints 22 that they have through the courts. I think it will save the 23 county some money. 24 Right now, our recidivism rate, best I can get from 25 the P.O. office, is somewhere between 10 and 15 percent. 10-28-13 80 1 They've said there's a lot of variables in their calculation, 2 so they couldn't give me a real clear number on it. But, 3 anyhow, I wanted to come up -- I did visit with Buster, and 4 he told me it would be best to come up and visit with y'all 5 about it and get y'all -- I'd love your input, directions you 6 think we might look at. 7 JUDGE TINLEY: I'm trying to figure out exactly 8 where you're going. Is Christian Men's Job Corps wanting to 9 be a -- a designated organization to perform community -- or 10 to oversee the performance of community service hours that 11 may be mandated by the courts and individual judgments? 12 MR. JONES: No. It's -- right now -- right now, 13 when someone is issued community service, they're given a 14 list of places they can perform that. That list will still 15 exist. 16 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 17 MR. JONES: But we want to network with everybody 18 on that list and make it a little easier for them. Right 19 now, if you get out of jail and you're given 250 hours of 20 community service -- and we don't want to be the overseer of 21 it, if that's what you're your asking. No, sir, that would 22 not be proper. To me, it wouldn't. But -- but they're given 23 a list, and then they have to sit down and start calling and 24 trying to figure out, "Where can I serve? How can I do 25 this?" We're just trying to make it a little easier for them 10-28-13 81 1 to -- they can still do that, if that's what their choice is. 2 I get phone calls constantly. We're already on that list, 3 and I get phone calls constantly saying, "What do you have 4 for community service hours?" And it's like a shopping list 5 for them, and they may spend a lot of time just trying to 6 figure that out and create that schedule on their own. 7 What we're going to do is visit with everybody else 8 that's on that list and get them to kind of network with us a 9 little bit. And they still have the right to call anybody 10 they want to call and go do things on their own. But at 11 least we -- when they call us, we'll be able to say -- we can 12 direct them there, if that's what their choice is. But if 13 it's someone that has gone through a screening process with 14 us for -- like I said, basically just to make sure that they 15 want to move forward. We we're not looking for how far or -- 16 or their past history so much, but we will look to see if 17 they have an ag offense and that so we can put them somewhere 18 that they can safely serve there. But to where that they can 19 then say, "Oh, well, I can be available on Saturday mornings 20 at this time," or maybe during the week, you know. "With my 21 job, I work weekends," that type of deal. And try to -- try 22 to cut back on them violating so much because of their lack 23 of -- of ability to figure out where to serve. 24 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. Yeah, I know that's been a 25 problem with a lot of the probationers. They have -- you 10-28-13 82 1 know, they're trying to work off community service hours, and 2 just -- they just can't get it done. 3 MR. JONES: Right. 4 JUDGE TINLEY: Conflicts in scheduling; they don't 5 have things for them to do. 6 MR. JONES: Right. And if you have a family life, 7 it's really tough. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Are you -- is it your proposal that 9 Christian Men's Job Corps will be kind of a clearinghouse? 10 MR. JONES: A type, yes, sir. But, like I said, it 11 wouldn't do away with people -- the master list that the 12 county gives them. It won't do away with that, but to kind 13 of serve as a clearinghouse, yes, sir. 14 JUDGE TINLEY: You will keep up and know about what 15 all these other organizations have on the ready for community 16 service projects? 17 MR. JONES: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE TINLEY: And if they call you, you -- once 19 you determine their skill level or limitations or 20 requirements, you can help plug them in with these others? 21 MR. JONES: Correct. And we will have -- we will 22 have folks -- volunteers, and it will all be volunteer-run, 23 and we will have volunteers that will be going visiting, and, 24 like I said, networking, even with the different churches and 25 civic organizations here in town, and trying to see what they 10-28-13 83 1 may have coming up so we can put it on a calendar and start 2 making those available. We won't get to a point to where, if 3 -- if someone up the road here says, "Well, I really need 4 someone every week to come in and mow our yard," probably not 5 going to become a lawn service. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Yeah. 7 MR. JONES: You know, that type of deal. But at 8 the same time, if we have people that do that, and they have 9 hours, and it is something that fits their schedule, they 10 might do that. And -- and like I said, our challenge right 11 now is going to be getting the proper volunteers to step up, 12 and we will do that. You know, we'll spend time in prayer 13 about that, and we'll have them -- as we start networking 14 through the churches, those volunteers will come forward. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What do you need? Is this just 16 informational for us? Or -- 17 MR. JONES: It's informational. And if I need any 18 guidance to make sure I'm not stepping on anybody's toes -- 19 MR. HENNEKE: Have you visited with Paul Alamo? 20 MR. JONES: No, sir. 21 MR. HENNEKE: Okay. The community -- the Adult 22 Probation office, it's not a county office, actually; it's a 23 state office. And that's the -- the department that oversees 24 all of the of probation terms for the District Courts, as 25 well as the County Court at Law, and so they're the ones that 10-28-13 84 1 actually keep the list. It's not Kerr County that keeps the 2 list. 3 MR. JONES: Right. 4 MR. HENNEKE: It's the Kerr County community 5 service, or Adult Probation office. And -- 6 MR. JONES: The gentleman's name is Brown or 7 something. 8 JUDGE TINLEY: Will Brown, yeah. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Will works for Paul Alamo. 10 MR. HENNEKE: Paul Alamo is the head of the Adult 11 Probation office. 12 MR. JONES: Yeah. I tried to make contact with 13 him; he was out -- Will Brown was out some this last week. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You need to call Paul, set up 15 an appointment. 16 MR. JONES: Yeah, 'cause like I said, I want to 17 make sure we're doing things properly and keeping them in 18 order, and want to make sure y'all are well-informed as to 19 what we're going to be doing so it's not just something new 20 jumping up. Because I do -- like I said, I do believe that, 21 just foundationally, our job is to give back. And I believe 22 that for me, the reason these men are given this penance to 23 serve is because of what they've done. They should do that 24 appropriately. But a lot of it should be seen back out 25 throughout the county, through the residents here. 10-28-13 85 1 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, your program generally -- 2 Christian Men's Job Corps, basically that's a -- that's a 3 takeoff of your Christian Women's Job Corps that was started 4 here -- 5 MR. JONES: Yes and no. 6 JUDGE TINLEY: Well, but -- 7 MR. JONES: It's under the same -- under the same 8 W.M.U. 9 JUDGE TINLEY: I understand. And, of course, the 10 Christian Women's Job Corps has had tremendous success here 11 for many, many years. That's been a wonderful organization 12 and addition to the community, so I have no doubt that your 13 organization -- 14 MR. JONES: Oh, yeah. We've had -- as of Friday, 15 we will have our next class, 18 actually for graduation. 16 We'll have 121 graduates that have completed our program at 17 that time, so it's definitely been a success here. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How often do you start your 19 programs? 20 MR. JONES: We meet twice, three months. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Three months? 22 MR. JONES: Sessions twice a year. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 24 MR. JONES: And I actually, last night, was 25 visiting with one of our guys that, after being released from 10-28-13 86 1 Bexar County, came to us, and he just applied for his 2 graduate exam, took his graduate exam. Fixing to go graduate 3 from Schreiner College, since he was in the Job Corps. So, 4 we have a -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 MR. JONES: -- pretty remarkable history there. 7 We've got one that's an attorney now. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's not a shocker. 9 MR. JONES: Yeah. Go straight from jail to -- and 10 he did come straight from jail to graduating from Texas Tech. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: A lot of them do -- a lot of 12 these lawyers are that way. 13 MR. JONES: Yeah, I'm not going to go there. 14 Anyway, I do appreciate y'all's time with this. If there's 15 any other questions, like I said, I'll be happy to answer 16 those. 17 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay, we appreciate you. Thank you 18 very much. 19 MR. JONES: Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Thank you. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mr. Jones, our only 22 requirement is that you get a haircut before you come back in 23 here. 24 MR. JONES: You know, I was wearing my Texas Tech 25 cap when I got in here, but they lost to O.U. yesterday, so I 10-28-13 87 1 thought no, I better take it off. 2 JUDGE TINLEY: Okay. Anything else on this agenda 3 to come before the Court at this time? We're adjourned. 4 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:30 a.m.) 5 - - - - - - - - - - 6 7 8 STATE OF TEXAS | 9 COUNTY OF KERR | 10 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 11 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 12 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 13 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 14 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 30th day of October, 15 2013. 16 17 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 18 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 19 Certified Shorthand Reporter 20 21 22 23 24 25 10-28-13