1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, March 24, 2014 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BRUCE OEHLER, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X March 24, 2014 2 PAGE --- Commissioners' Comments - 3 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 4 review concept plan for revision of plat for Lots 5 and 6 of Rio Retiro, Precinct 4 5 5 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 6 request from Child Services Board to use a portion of the courthouse square for a display 7 during the month of April for Child Abuse Awareness Month 12 8 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 9 authorize part-time intern for IT Department 14 10 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize going out for Request for Proposal 11 for inmate telephone service 16 12 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding burning in containers 18 13 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 14 implementation of the burn ban 19 15 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to update the liaison appointments for 2014 23 16 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 17 determine rental rates for River Star Arts & Event Park; authorize reservation agent to start 18 taking reservations for the facility 25 19 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request from Kerr County Roller Derby to use 20 River Star Arts and Events Park for practicing in the event that the Show Barn is not available 32 21 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 22 approve final plans and specifications for new Exhibit Hall at Hill Country Youth Event Center; 23 authorize going out for bids 32 24 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action concerning scope of work revisions and related 25 costs for Center Point Wastewater project 47 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) March 24, 2014 2 PAGE 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 3 regarding Kerr County Center Point Wastewater System water conservation plan 58 4 1.8 Status for Alamo Community College facility at 5 the Kerrville/Kerr County Airport 59 6 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request from YMCA to close Riverside Drive, and 7 any other special requests for their 5K Run/Walk on June 14, 2014 67 8 4.1 Pay Bills 71 9 4.2 Budget Amendments 75 4.3 Late Bills -- 10 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 76 11 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee Assignments 77 12 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 77 13 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on Mooney/Economic Development (Executive Session) -- 14 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed 15 in Executive Session -- 16 --- Adjourned 85 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 On Monday, March 24, 2014, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, attention, ladies and 8 gentlemen. Commissioners Court meeting is now open. It's 9 9 a.m. on March the 24th, 2014. We'll start with the prayer. 10 Commissioner Baldwin? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I've invited my 12 dear old friend, the honorable David Billeiter, to come in, 13 and -- is it okay to tell them we're friends? 14 JUDGE BILLEITER: Sure. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. And asked David to 16 lead us in a word of prayer. 17 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mr. Billeiter likes to come 19 in here and pray; he says that we need it. 20 JUDGE BILLEITER: Right. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: You're probably right. You're 22 welcome to do it as often as you want. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, David. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. This is the part where we 25 invite anybody in the public that wants to speak. Anybody 3-24-14 5 1 that wants to speak, raise their right hand. There being 2 none, we'll proceed to Item 1 on the agenda -- well, how 3 about Commissioners' comments? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have nothing, thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Pass. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: I have none. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Nothing this morning. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Item 1 on the agenda, 10 then. 1.1; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 11 for the Court to review the concept plan for revision of plat 12 for Lots 5 and 6 of Rio Retiro. Re-TEER-o, maybe? 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No, it's re-TIRE-o. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, it's Americanized. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, it is. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Volume 4, Page 263, Precinct 4. 17 Mr. Lee Voelkel. 18 MR. VOELKEL: Good morning, sir. Good morning, 19 Commissioners. Rio Retiro. What we have here, Gary 20 McCormick, who some of y'all probably know, or maybe all of 21 you know, has built a house on these two lots, 5 and 6 of Rio 22 Retiro. And when he did the house, he knew he was over the 23 lot line and he was going to have me do a revision of plat to 24 remove the lot line, so that we're combining two lots. I 25 don't think he realized at the time that the garage that he 3-24-14 6 1 had put a slab on was actually in the right-of-way of the 2 road that accesses that lot, which goes through the 3 subdivision. It's a county road, but not a County-maintained 4 road, so I wanted to differentiate there. What we wanted to 5 present this morning as a concept was if there was any way 6 that when we present this revision of plat, if we can revise 7 the right-of-way at that cul-de-sac so that we can get his 8 garage out of that existing right-of-way. I don't know -- do 9 y'all have the picture that I delivered to y'all with colors 10 on it that shows all of this? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think so. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: How much is the -- how much is it 13 encroaching? 14 MR. VOELKEL: Let me -- I thought y'all had this. 15 This kind of explains it. I do the colors, because that's 16 A & M stuff. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is this the one we talked 18 about, Lee? 19 MR. VOELKEL: It is. I talked with you about it, 20 and I've talked to -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's red, not maroon. 22 MR. VOELKEL: What it is, the pink represents the 23 lot -- I'll try to make this real simple. The blue is the 24 house that he's proposing to build. The green is the actual 25 slab for the garage. The orange normally is sewer lines; 3-24-14 7 1 today it's the right-of-way lines of the -- of the road, so 2 you can see where he's got his garage right here in that 3 right-of-way. Let me show you another little drawing. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How much of his garage is in 5 the right-of-way? How much is he encroaching? 6 MR. VOELKEL: He's about 8 feet into that 7 right-of-way. And also, it's unusual -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One question. Did you say 9 that that's a county road? County-maintained? What did you 10 say? 11 MR. VOELKEL: It's a public right-of-way. It was 12 dedicated by plat, the right-of-way. The road is not 13 County-maintained. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 MR. VOELKEL: And the road really is not built; 16 it's caliche up to the very end of the road. This is where 17 this is. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 MR. VOELKEL: Only serving these last two tracts. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I got you. 21 MR. VOELKEL: Also note, that cul-de-sac is kind of 22 weird. It's a -- normally we have a 50-foot radius, complete 23 circle. This is a 30-foot radius, only goes about halfway 24 around the end of the road, so that's kind of odd. I'm -- I 25 was just brainstorming. I talked with Jonathan and Bruce 3-24-14 8 1 about this, to maybe do something like this. I don't know. 2 I'm open for ideas, or if the Court has ideas. The pink 3 being the revised right-of-way which gets us around the 4 garage, the orange the existing right-of-way that we 5 eliminate with the revision of plat. In other words, give 6 him an opening to still turn around there. I don't -- 7 according to Mr. McCormick, not many people come to the end 8 of the road. Nobody else is served at the end, but if they 9 do, they would have a way to -- kind of a modified "T" at the 10 end of the road. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Are there other houses on that 12 road? 13 MR. VOELKEL: Not -- this is the very end. There's 14 some houses that come up to it, but -- but this is the very 15 end of the road, and there are no more houses beyond this 16 road. No one else is served by that access, or that 17 right-of-way. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The County's involved only 19 because that's the way it was -- the plat was laid out. 20 MR. VOELKEL: That's correct. Actually involved 21 because we're going to be coming for a revision of plat. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. It's a revision of 23 plat, right. 24 MR. VOELKEL: Yes, sir. And today, I just -- 25 before we move forward, I wanted to know if this would be 3-24-14 9 1 acceptable; if this is a good idea, if this is a bad idea. 2 If we should -- we just needed your input to see what would 3 be approved. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I'm not really sure what else 5 we can do, because it's at the end of the road, and that -- 6 his property is the only one accessed, so I don't -- there's 7 not really a big problem. But I do see a problem whenever 8 you need people to turn around. If they get up there and 9 they don't need to be there, they still need a way to turn 10 around and get out of there. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We have a situation like that 12 where I live, that at the end of the road there's a gate. So 13 they -- it's like Bruce is saying; you have to back around in 14 somebody else's driveway. Here they'd have to back around in 15 his garage. 16 MR. VOELKEL: Right. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: To turn around. So -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: When was it -- when was that 19 subdivision -- 20 MR. VOELKEL: 1981. Rio Retiro, yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Long before any of us. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And before any of our rules 23 that prevented this. 24 MR. VOELKEL: And, really, everything out there -- 25 everything is substandard to today's rules; the 3-24-14 10 1 right-of-ways, the lot sizes, everything. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 3 MR. VOELKEL: It's old. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I -- you know, 5 considering -- and the garage was built a while back? 6 MR. VOELKEL: I don't really know the date, 7 Jonathan. I don't know. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The garage has not been 9 built. It's just a slab poured. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, a slab poured. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: At least not the pictures 12 that I saw. 13 MR. VOELKEL: That's correct. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's, you know, 15 probably the only way to get around it. I mean, it's -- you 16 know, we unfortunately deal with a lot of these on these old 17 subdivision plats, of problems. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do any of the other neighbors 19 who may not themselves be going down there have guests or 20 something that would have to turn around? Do they have any 21 problem with that concept like you have there? 22 MR. VOELKEL: Commissioner, to my knowledge, they 23 do not, but I haven't talked to all the neighbors. I've kind 24 of left that up to Mr. McCormick, and have him get back with 25 me or them get back with me, and I haven't heard from any of 3-24-14 11 1 them. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't see any problem if 3 they back up and turn around, as opposed to making a loop. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They make a -- the neighbors 5 will be notified through the revision process. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 MR. VOELKEL: That's correct, and we'll have a 8 public hearing also through the revision of plat process. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can I ask -- 10 JUDGE POLLARD: So, on the platting process, he's 11 going to have to consent to that right-of-way being -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: -- changed over, some of it over 14 onto his -- some of his property, right? 15 MR. VOELKEL: That's correct. He'll have a new 16 right-of-way that -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: He is agreeable to that? 18 MR. VOELKEL: Yes, sir, he is. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the new right-of-way will 20 modify it, and it will be a new public right-of-way, so it 21 won't have anything to do with county maintenance. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't see any problem with 23 what you have there. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't either. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't either. 3-24-14 12 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Like you say, no other choice. 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There's just no -- we've 3 looked at it several different ways, but it's not -- just not 4 really -- there's no place you can move it. 5 MR. VOELKEL: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Unless he moves it onto his 7 own property, which he's agreed to. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: If he'd have had it surveyed before 9 he built, that would have been the best way. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That would have been helpful. 11 MR. VOELKEL: All right. We'll come back, then, 12 with a preliminary plat for revision of plat with all these 13 details on there, if that's okay with you guys. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 15 MR. VOELKEL: Okay. Thank you, sirs. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, we'll move on to 1.2; 17 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on a request 18 from the Child Services Board to use a portion of the 19 courthouse square for a display during the month of April for 20 Child Abuse Awareness Month. Commissioner Baldwin? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. It's that 22 time of the year again. We're talking about this corner 23 right out here, and what they do, if you remember, there is 24 a -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Lots of flags. 3-24-14 13 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They put up flag looking -- 2 blue ribbons is what they are, little signs with a blue 3 ribbon on them. And they are -- they put up one for each 4 number of children affected by abuse and neglect in Kerr 5 County. This year, I understand that they want to put up 215 6 of them, which is down considerably from last year. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I thought it was 8 300-something last year. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It was close, close to 300. 10 That's what I remember as well. But it's way down. But 11 it -- it, to me, is the neatest thing that happens on this 12 courthouse square. It brings awareness to it. And then in 13 your backup, it talks about some of the things that they have 14 done in this last year, and there's some really interesting, 15 interesting things that these people do that you don't read 16 about in the paper, you don't hear about at the coffee shop. 17 They just do it under the radar and help people, and we're -- 18 we're grateful for them. And I think it's an honor to be 19 associated with it. So, I'm going to make a motion that we 20 approve the agenda request. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 23 seconded that we approve the agenda request. Is there any 24 further discussion? There being none, those in favor, raise 25 your right hand. 3-24-14 14 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: 4-0. It's unanimous. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.3 is consider, discuss, and take 5 appropriate action to authorize part-time intern for the I.T. 6 Department. I see that that's Mr. Trolinger, although you're 7 not written on the agenda here. 8 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, sir. Good morning, and 9 welcome. It's great to have you here. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 11 MR. TROLINGER: The background on the intern 12 program is in 2012, we started with a part-time intern, local 13 college student. We've had two. It worked out really well. 14 When we get busy, it's someone that we can train. They get 15 trained about 50 percent of the work period, and the other 50 16 percent, we get some actual work out of them. And they get 17 paid a little bit, and we get to teach the local college 18 students who are interested in technology, you know, what 19 it's all about. They can see hands-on. They can go into the 20 closet and they can look at the stuff and see it in the real 21 world; not in the lab, not on a video, not in the classroom. 22 And I think it helps them out a whole lot. And it will 23 certainly help us out for -- we've got about 40 computers we 24 need to replace this -- this cycle, this summer. So, I'm 25 asking that -- and the position is budgeted. It's budgeted 3-24-14 15 1 in I.T., Line item 10-408. So, it's -- I'm asking if we can 2 continue on with that and get us an intern or two for summer. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: What's our estimated cost on that? 4 What do you pay them? 5 MR. TROLINGER: Well, it's budgeted -- I propose 6 that we pay about $10 an hour. That's historically what 7 we've done. The -- the line item's budgeted, $3,600, I 8 believe. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I move that we accept his 10 recommendation for hiring a part-time intern. Is it from 11 Schreiner University? 12 MR. TROLINGER: It is not, but he's a local college 13 student. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 17 Item 1.4 be approved for the intern. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 1.3. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, 1.3, I'm sorry. And is there 20 any further discussion? There being none, those in favor, 21 raise your right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 24 MR. TROLINGER: Thank you. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Now we'll go to 1.4. Thank you, 3-24-14 16 1 Mr. Trolinger. 2 MR. TROLINGER: You're welcome. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, take appropriate 4 action to authorize going out for Request for Proposal for 5 inmate telephone service. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Morning. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Morning, Sheriff. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is something that -- the 9 inmate telephone system is totally separate than any other 10 county telephone system. All calls are paid; it's collect 11 calls. All calls are recorded. All calls can be used in 12 court later for investigative purposes or whatever. It's not 13 a contract or a proposal that costs the County anything. The 14 phones and all the equipment are provided by the company that 15 gets the proposal -- wins the bid, and the County actually 16 makes a little bit of profit off either the phone system or 17 the calling cards that are sold through the commissary. All 18 those profits do go into the commissary account, which have 19 to be spent back on the inmates. 20 What this is, is we've had the same company now -- 21 and they're normally on a five-year contract that the County 22 signs. I cannot sign it, so that's why I bring the proposal 23 to you. It's not an expenditure over 50,000, but once we get 24 to the final ones, the County has to sign the contract with 25 them. The current contract is at the end of its second 3-24-14 17 1 five-year term, which gives us ten years with the technology, 2 and they do upgrade some of it throughout the contract. But 3 I just feel it's time, with the contract running out -- I 4 think it's in June or July, and I think it's time that we go 5 ahead and send out a proposal and see what all new technology 6 is out there, and what new things we can do that could 7 possibly upgrade it and save inmates money, or even make the 8 County a little bit more. So, I would like to send out this 9 Request for Proposal. The new County Attorney got this first 10 thing on her desk, right after she was sworn in, so -- as to 11 form of it and that, just to make sure the form's right, and 12 then we will send it out. We keep a list of most of those 13 companies, and we try and send it out to them. We just kind 14 of wait for all the responses. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded for 18 approval to go out for bid on that, on 1.4. Those in favor, 19 raise your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: I assume there was no further 22 discussion? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good assumption. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.5; consider, discuss, 25 and take appropriate action on request from Kerr County 3-24-14 18 1 Roller Derby to use the River Star Arts and Event Park for 2 practicing in the event that the show barn is not available. 3 Leslie Jones? 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's a 9:30 item, Judge. 5 They may be here. That's timed. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: So you might pass on that 8 until they -- until 9:30. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, I didn't know about it. Oh, 10 I just -- I see it there now. All right. 1.6; consider, 11 discuss, and take appropriate action regarding burning in 12 containers. Commissioner Moser? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Thank you, Judge. This 14 -- I brought this forward because of several requests from -- 15 because of the long period of time that we've had the burn 16 ban on, and in most of the county, and particularly in 17 Precinct 2. People that do not have ready access to garbage 18 pickup would like to have approval to burn in barrels with 19 mesh on top. I have talked to the -- all the fire chiefs, I 20 think -- volunteer fire chiefs. I've talked to the fire 21 chief in the city who covers part of our area. And with 22 that, I have enough evidence that says that that is not a 23 good idea, okay? So, probably this has been around 24 Commissioners Court by the other three, and -- but I've done 25 my homework, and I'm not going to propose that we change the 3-24-14 19 1 burn ban to allow it. So -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're a smart man. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, no action is 4 requested. I'm just reporting on what my findings were. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other discussion? All right, 6 then we'll move on to 1.7; consider, discuss, and take 7 appropriate action on implementation of the burn ban. 8 Commissioner Baldwin? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. As you see in the 10 outdoor restricted burning -- outdoor burning order, I'm 11 going to read the third paragraph -- actually, fourth 12 paragraph. "...circumstances leading to this order are 13 modified by transitory conditions, the Commissioners Court 14 authorizes each Commissioner to suspend this order for a 15 specified period in their precinct after consulting with the 16 fire departments in their precinct. Such temporary 17 suspension of the ban may be terminated at any time before 18 expiration of the specified period by the appropriate County 19 Commissioner." So, this -- this order is a -- is it six 20 weeks? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 90 days. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 90 days. Yeah, 90 days. 23 And I just wanted to point out that it's -- it is the kind 24 that a Commissioner can put on or take off after you adopt 25 this 90-day system. The Commissioner can put it on and take 3-24-14 20 1 it off as they choose. And I want to -- also wanted to point 2 out that after you consult with the fire departments in your 3 precinct -- you did the right thing. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Ooh. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I get a little bit lax 6 on that myself. So, anyway, it's that time that we adopt 7 this order once again, so I move that we do so. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Is 10 there any further discussion? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll just make a comment, just 12 generally. I think this is one of the better things this 13 Court has come up with, this policy. I know some other 14 counties have adopted it based on our looking at it and doing 15 it this way. Some counties don't. But I know that the 16 constituents generally are very appreciative of the way we 17 are able to do it, so -- 'cause a lot of counties have to 18 wait two weeks if you do get a wet period before they can 19 lift a burn barn, because it takes the full court, whereas we 20 can do it basically, you know, very quickly, depending on the 21 conditions. So, I think it's a very good thing. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the individual 23 Commissioner, too -- I got a phone call here a while back 24 that said -- wanted to know if I'd lift mine, and they said 25 that Commissioner 3 had lifted his. And I -- and my comment 3-24-14 21 1 was, "I don't care what he does down there, because he -- he 2 gets a different set of rain than I do." And so that's -- 3 that's how that works, and that's a good thing. If it rains 4 in my precinct, I would be happy to lift it. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But it's got to rain. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it's important that the 8 public know how to -- how you go about this and how you 9 notify them. I think there's a recording that goes on the 10 County Commissioners' telephone. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the Sheriff gets it 12 immediately. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: The Sheriff gets it. Are there any 14 releases to the newspaper or anything like that, or the 15 media? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They update their -- the 17 Kerrville Daily Times, I know, pretty much almost daily, in 18 their weather section, lists which precincts have it on or 19 off. I mean, I think it's pretty -- you know -- 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We update it on our Sheriff's 21 Office website and on our Sheriff's Office Facebook each time 22 we change it. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, it's on the website of the 24 County. Jody updates it. The newspaper gets it. I think 25 it's almost about as immediate as you can do. 3-24-14 22 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Another thing that happens 2 here is a lot of times, you know, we'll get rain in the early 3 morning, and sometimes before daylight I'll call the 4 Sheriff's Department and have them -- and what that does, 5 that triggers notification by -- what do you call those 6 things? The little box? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pager. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Pager. They send out a page 9 to all the local fire departments and tell them that it's 10 been lifted or it's been put on, and so they get notification 11 if they haven't had time in order to -- to change it on the 12 website for the fire department. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 792-HEAT. That's a good 14 number. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good, okay. The motion has 16 been made and seconded, and the motion is to take appropriate 17 action on it, and I guess that's to continue the written 18 policy as previously written. Is that correct? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. And extend -- 20 extend the order for another 90 days. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: For another 90 days. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We do this every 90 days to 23 keep it to where it's implemented. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of that motion, 25 raise your right hand. 3-24-14 23 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: 4-0. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have one question. Could -- 4 is 90 days the limit that we can do that? Or could we do 5 it -- 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's what's mandated, I 7 believe. Supposed to do it every 90 days. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think you cannot impose a 9 burn ban longer than 90 days. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, got you. Thank you. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Would you let us know? 12 MS. STEBBINS: Sure. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Okay. Let's skip down 14 to 1.10; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 15 update the liaison appointments for 2014. Commissioner Letz? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think I put this on the 17 agenda. Since you're now on board, Judge, we ought to go 18 through it. We usually do this, and did do it in January, 19 but I think the list is attached, and I think we just should 20 review it to see if there are any changes that should be 21 made. And we probably need to add one for the Veteran 22 Service Officer, which is a new position that's been created. 23 And Ms. Baker, I know, has come to me and said, "Who do I 24 talk to?" And I said, "Until today, talk to me." Because, 25 you know, we can decide -- you know, she can continue to talk 3-24-14 24 1 to me, or two of us. And generally we have two members of 2 the Court for each position in case someone can't be reached 3 or someone's out of town or something like that. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, you know, I just put it on 6 the agenda so we can update it. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I'll do it with you, if you want me 8 to. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good. 10 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's what I was going to 11 suggest. That would be good. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I didn't know -- you know, 13 you and I visited a little bit about AACOG, and you said 14 you're interested in doing that, so there's obviously no need 15 to make a change there. And it's just really more up to -- 16 for you to look at it and make sure everything is fine, and 17 you can -- 18 JUDGE POLLARD: I pretty well just -- I like what 19 Judge Tinley was on there for, and I wanted to do just 20 exactly what he was doing. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: So, okay. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 24 continue the liaison schedule as adopted in January, with the 25 addition of Veteran Service Officer, and to include myself 3-24-14 25 1 and the County Judge in that position for the time being. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's been moved and 5 seconded. Any further discussion? Those in favor, raise 6 your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Unanimous, 4-0. All right, Number 9 1.11; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 10 determine rental rates for River Star Arts and Event Park and 11 authorize reservation agent to start taking reservations for 12 the facility. Ms. Grinstead? 13 MS. GRINSTEAD: Hello. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good morning. 15 MS. GRINSTEAD: Morning. At our meeting -- the 16 last meeting we had in February, our previous County Attorney 17 said that we could -- you know, that property was ours as far 18 as rental. I've had many requests on it. I'm basically just 19 taking names and numbers, but I need some direction as to if 20 I'm able to rent it out now, and if so, how much? I know 21 there's an outdoor pavilion and a covered pavilion, but I 22 don't know if you want to split that up with pricing, or just 23 do the whole facility. I just need some direction, 'cause 24 there is interest. I've had people calling. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is the interest for a -- a 3-24-14 26 1 certain part of it, or the whole park generally? 2 MS. GRINSTEAD: They just ask for the park. I 3 mean, I haven't -- one of them, I know, wanted it for the 4 whole park, 'cause they have -- they're doing a family 5 reunion with, like, 150 people or something. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would think the whole park 7 would be easier. I think you can see a problem if you have 8 multiple people using the park. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: At one time. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yeah, I agree. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's not -- you know, it's 13 large, but it isn't just huge. Actually, I haven't thought 14 anything about our rate. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And there's -- but someone may 16 just want to use the pavilion, as opposed to the whole park 17 or something like that. So, should we have -- consider that? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That would -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How do you use a pavilion 21 without using more -- part of the park, anyway? But I think 22 300 is a little bit steep for the pavilion. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I do too, for the pavilion. 24 For the whole park maybe, but for the pavilion -- 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well -- 3-24-14 27 1 JUDGE POLLARD: How about 250 for the whole park, 2 and, say, 150 for the pavilion? Just throwing some numbers 3 out. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Or 100 for the pavilion. I 5 think -- what do we do on the outdoor arena? I think we're 6 at 150, something like that. And that requires Tim to 7 prepare it and all that kind of stuff. So, I think -- I 8 think 100 on the pavilion would be the -- the top side. 9 There's -- there's the little facility next to the American 10 Legion, Freedom Hall or whatever. 11 MS. GRINSTEAD: There's a little outdoor 12 amphitheater. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, no, I'm talking about the 14 building that's not ours, okay? 15 MS. GRINSTEAD: Oh. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know what they rent 17 that for, and that's probably air-conditioned and everything 18 else, compared to what we have over there. So -- 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Doesn't matter. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What do we rent Union Church 21 for? 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: $100. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: $100. And that's enclosed 24 with restrooms and -- well, this other place has restrooms 25 too. 3-24-14 28 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's a little bit of an 2 issue. The restrooms, we really don't own. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, okay. So, this would be a 4 -- this would just be a covered facility. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But restrooms are an issue when 6 we rent the park, because there's -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I know. I'm just talking 8 about the pavilion right now. I think $50 or $75 would be -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- but we need to -- 10 and I -- I don't know if we want to talk about it now. We 11 can talk about it -- I've visited with the County Attorney 12 about this; I know she's done some research into where we are 13 with the bankruptcy, which is where the bathrooms are and the 14 other building is. If we can talk about that, or do we need 15 to go in executive session? 16 MS. STEBBINS: I don't think so. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Trying to figure out where we 18 are. Without the restrooms, it's kind of -- we have to have 19 port-a-potties there, because we can't have -- rent it 20 without a place to go to the bathroom, because we know what 21 will happen. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I think we make that a 24 condition of the rental. If they want -- if they're going to 25 have events, they need to rent their own port-a-potties, 3-24-14 29 1 because we need to rent them for -- and leave them there 2 until -- we're going to have to have a lot of events. 3 Otherwise, you're going to be hauling them in and out of 4 there. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's see what she has to say about 7 that. 8 MS. STEBBINS: Since the last time y'all met, 9 nothing's really changed. What we need to do now -- what 10 I'll be able to do this week is get in touch with the trustee 11 and talk about those buildings that we don't have control 12 over now that are in the bankruptcy. One is the restrooms. 13 I don't know what the other one was. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's the office building. 15 MS. STEBBINS: Okay. And so I need to talk to that 16 trustee to see if we can get them released from the 17 bankruptcy, and what it would take for them to do that. The 18 suggestion may have been to pay them a little bit of money in 19 order to do that. It seems unreasonable to move the 20 buildings, so what we need to do is just have them release 21 that bankruptcy so that we can use them. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Are the buildings portable? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They're portable. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They were, but they were moved 3-24-14 30 1 in and -- 2 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They have to be moved, like, 3 with house-moving equipment. They can't -- they're not on 4 wheels or anything like that. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: So there's plumbing hooked up to 6 them, and electricity? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: What does the lease agreement say 9 about improvements made during that time? Does it become 10 part of the property? 11 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the lease says they 13 are. The problem is, there's loans on both of them. One was 14 financed through the Small Business or somebody like that. 15 So, there's liens on those two structures, and they're -- you 16 know, and this -- that's the wrinkle in it. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a landlord's waiver? 18 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know the answer to that. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Look all that up. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, it's kind of -- the thought 21 was -- I mean, we certainly would like both of the buildings, 22 and I think it would probably cost them more than the value 23 to move them, because they're going to have to repair the 24 site and cap the plumbing and all that stuff. But until we 25 get access to those restrooms especially, and to me, they're 3-24-14 31 1 a higher priority, 'cause I don't know that we can -- I don't 2 know if we want to rent -- you know, if somebody wants to 3 bring in port-a-potties, I don't have a problem with leasing 4 something, but I don't want us to necessarily just be 5 spending money on port-a-potties all the time if -- 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, we want those buildings. 7 We want to own those buildings. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we ought to hold off 9 until we find out if we have access to those three -- two 10 buildings, 'cause that could be part of the rental rate. And 11 it's kind of hard to decide now, unless we've got some 12 pressing need to do it. And see -- get that, and then we'll 13 be able to scope, you know, renting the pavilion, renting the 14 whole thing. That includes -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: When did that larger group want 16 to use it? 17 MS. GRINSTEAD: July. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, we got time. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tell them we're trying to work 20 out the restroom situation; that we -- it will be available 21 then. 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's going to be -- for the 24 whole park, a group like that, probably in the neighborhood 25 of $300. 3-24-14 32 1 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I think it's to keep their 3 interest so we don't lose them. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm uncomfortable with doing any 5 kind of renting until we get the answers to these questions. 6 MS. STEBBINS: In the meantime, I'll get in touch 7 with the trustee and see what we can do to get them to 8 release the structures. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Don't do anything yet. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: So, we're going to -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No action. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: -- take no action on this one? 13 Okay. We'll go to -- well, it's 9:30 now. Let's go back to 14 1.5; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on 15 request from Kerr County Roller Derby to use the River Star 16 Arts and Event Park for practicing in the event that the show 17 barn is not available. Leslie Jones. Is Leslie here? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: She's not here, but considering 19 our other action, I think we have to pass on that. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Exactly. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Then let's go back to 22 1.12, I guess; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 23 to approve final plans and specifications for new exhibit 24 hall at the Hill Country Youth Event Center, and authorize 25 going out for bids. Commissioner Letz? 3-24-14 33 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I put this on -- well, we 2 discussed it at the last meeting, but the plans have been 3 available for the last week here, and I just wanted everyone 4 to take a look at them. I've spent some time looking at 5 them. I know Commissioner Oehler has wanted the rest of the 6 Court to have that opportunity before we went out for bid on 7 the schedule we looked at, you know, kind of -- "we" being 8 Commissioner Oehler and I and Peter Lewis. We thought it 9 would make sense to have the bids due back before our second 10 meeting of April, so the Friday before the second meeting of 11 April. That way, we could make a decision at that time if we 12 wanted to. That should give basically 30 days -- close to 30 13 days for someone to look over it, and from my understanding 14 from talking to Peter, he thinks that's a sufficient amount 15 of time to get good interest. So, with that, I'll make a 16 motion that we approve the -- the plans and specifications as 17 we have had done by Peter Lewis, architect, and request -- 18 and have bids come back -- request him to go out for bids, 19 and bids be due back on the Friday before our second meeting 20 of April. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there a second to that 23 motion? 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Yes. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's been moved and 3-24-14 34 1 seconded. Any further discussion? 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I probably could have 3 looked at some of the details, but I didn't. Does this 4 assume that the current slab stays in place? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It takes the slab out too? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because of the restrooms and 11 the -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the kitchen, and it's 14 something -- it would be cut up so much to get the stuff in 15 that, you know, it's not -- and then you'd also end up with a 16 -- I don't think any construction company would warrant the 17 building if they have to use a slab that they really 18 aren't... 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: The center portion of that 21 building, that slab was poured -- used to be a dirt arena 22 where the show used to occur. That was covered in concrete 23 some years ago, and it has in it some wide concrete. It's 24 about 2 inches thick, so it's just nothing there, other than 25 what's around that was put in very well. But it -- that's 3-24-14 35 1 the deal. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question, Judge. 4 I noticed that there was three -- three or four meeting 5 rooms. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Three. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Three meeting rooms and two 8 offices. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That's correct. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: And storage areas. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, storage areas. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Two big storage areas. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want you to tell me whose 15 office space that is. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That office space is just to 17 be used by stock show during their time, and it'll be used by 18 Tim, Maintenance or whatever. That's not designated for -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: -- for anybody. Now, there 21 is a full-time storage that we designated for stock show to 22 store all of their stuff in. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: We split part of that office, 25 made it a little bit smaller, the one you're talking about. 3-24-14 36 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There's two in the -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. One -- one is kind of 3 off in the storage area, and that's a permanent maintenance 4 office. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's over on the west side. On 7 the east side, there's kind of one that could be used -- and 8 obviously, we have to work -- it hasn't been committed to 9 anybody. It was -- but it was -- if somebody's using the 10 event -- there's a counter in the front part of that. 11 There's an office, then there's a little open area, and then 12 there's, like, a counter. So, if someone is using the 13 facility, renting the facility, it's kind of headquarters for 14 that group. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fine. That's good. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it could be -- you know, 17 once we get into it, it may be something the stock show ends 18 up using a lot. I mean, it's -- but it's not -- it hasn't 19 been designated for anyone in particular. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Then the classrooms -- I see 21 that, and I think you're doing that the right way. And then 22 the classrooms, what do you envision? I know that we've been 23 talking about those classrooms for a number of years now, and 24 I -- I love the idea. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, what the deal is on 3-24-14 37 1 those, there are three. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But two of them can be 4 combined into one. One of them -- two have, like, a 5 partition between, a folding partition, so if you have a 6 larger group, you can open that up to -- to accommodate more 7 people. But if you have small groups, you can divide it and 8 have three separate meeting rooms. That's what that's about. 9 That was one of the things that was requested by Extension 10 Office. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it's set up where the -- 13 and the access and the doors, the air conditioning, 14 primarily, that you can use the classrooms without having to 15 cool or heat the entire building. There's a separate side 16 door that goes into that, and they can use it for smaller 17 events. The idea was -- from a stock show standpoint, all it 18 is, you know, is that one of the classrooms would be theirs. 19 We just give them -- they're all keyed doors. They would 20 have a classroom, which is a pretty big area. They can set 21 up their headquarters there, because they use quite a bit of 22 space, and computers, things like that, would be in the -- 23 that would be in one of the classrooms for the whole stock 24 show. That's kind of how -- you know, where they would set 25 up. And others could do the same thing, other groups. 3-24-14 38 1 JUDGE POLLARD: How many square feet is going to be 2 left after the storage areas and the classrooms? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Most of the -- the storage area 4 is on a lean-to that kind of extends beyond the west side. 5 The -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It doesn't take up part of the 7 33,000 square feet? 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: No. It's -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 11 -- there's about -- how 10 many total square feet? 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 33,000 I believe. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 33,000. And about -- 1, 2, 13 3 -- 12 -- 15 -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't know how accurate 15 this is. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But it's scaled pretty well, I 17 think. So, there's about -- about three out of 15 is 18 one-fifth; be 20 less. 20 percent is not available for all 19 of the other things. That includes the meeting rooms. So, 20 about 20 percent, so about 6,000 feet. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Pretty close. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 6,000 feet with everything. 23 So, 33,000 minus 6,000; 27,000 feet for the rest. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Which is a substantial increase 25 over the present. 3-24-14 39 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's double. Current is 2 13,000, I think. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. That's the point I was 4 trying to make. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will allow for about -- I 6 hate to figure a little bit -- 1,200 people for a sit-down 7 function. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the other thing is, the -- 9 the large area, too, can be -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Divided. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- divided, and that's what 12 the County Agent -- that was one of his requests, is when he 13 has large groups, he can have a breakout. So, you know, you 14 got the meeting rooms and you have -- the whole facility can 15 be divided in half, too. So, I think it's -- 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: One-third and two-thirds. If 17 you put the big partition between the large space, partition 18 it off, it's about a third on one side and two-thirds on the 19 other. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's as flexible as we can 21 figure out -- or he can figure out how to make it. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It's been going on for a long 23 time. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And so we've already approved, 25 I think at the last Commissioners Court, going ahead and 3-24-14 40 1 starting the demolishing and tear-down of the other, so this 2 is -- this assumes that that's happening? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it is. 6 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: It is already started. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just for the record, okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then the final question 9 about the catering kitchen. Tell me about the catering 10 kitchen. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The catering kitchen is going 12 to take up a little bit of room in the show barn. It's going 13 in the middle of the -- kind of in the -- on the wall of the 14 show barn, in the middle of that. It'll have access into the 15 show barn and the new event hall. There's, I think, two big 16 windows going each direction. It's a big area, and it's -- 17 the -- like, the equipment -- 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 1,200 square feet. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The equipment that's there 20 would be enough. It's a catering kitchen. It's nothing -- 21 it's not putting in a bunch of stoves; things like that are 22 not in there, but it is warmers and heaters and storage and 23 all that type of stuff. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Will this have the big walk-in 25 freezer? 3-24-14 41 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, so that goes away. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's gone right now. And we're 4 going to have to look at that. It's not part of this plan, 5 but I think we need to look at where that goes. It doesn't 6 fit in here. There are some areas we can probably put it. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do we really use it very much? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes and no. It's used at times 9 a lot. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The freezer part. And it runs 11 all the time, right? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And they -- when we 13 took it -- it's actually -- it's gone. We looked at 14 salvaging it, and it pretty much fell apart once it started 15 coming apart. It's rusted out, and it just -- 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But the units are still good, 17 so we can build -- you know, you can always buy the insulated 18 panels and build one and then add the units back in. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That probably will happen. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: With a kitchen, I don't see how you 22 can get along without that. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a big walk-in -- a big 24 walk-in freezer. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Both freezer and -- 3-24-14 42 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You wouldn't want to pay the 2 electric bill on that thing. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: What we're talking about, 4 what we've discussed is getting some units to put into the 5 catering kitchen that are on wheels, that are large. But you 6 can have a freezer deal, and you can move them around for 7 cleaning, and they're more functional than having those great 8 big walk-in units. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I think the -- I want 10 to say the cost is -- to me, it was a little bit staggering, 11 like $200,000 is estimated for the outfitting of this. And 12 the -- I mean, it's -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In the kitchen? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- pretty substantial. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But it's good equipment. 16 We're not talking about buying, you know, residential. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: All commercial equipment that 19 will last. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It'll be like a restaurant, 21 without a stove. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: But no cooking in there, I 23 mean, other than roasters and warmers and stuff like that. 24 But, you know, no commercial gas ranges and that sort of 25 thing. That's more maintenance, and more fire problems, 3-24-14 43 1 and -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I guess we'll -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Liability problems. 4 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Liability. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- we'll discuss what the 6 maintenance is on this as part of the budget process. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Which is ongoing. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, my point is that it is 10 definitely a multipurpose facility, and -- and I was headed 11 towards the same place Tommy went. The -- I mean Judge 12 Pollard. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: That's okay. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I get arrested for that 15 kind of stuff? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: That's okay. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Which Tommy are you talking 18 about? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No more than "Tinsley." 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. "Patricia Tinsley," 21 that was a funny one. But the -- the increase in square 22 footage, -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- I mean, it's -- I can see 25 where there's a lot of different organizations and people and 3-24-14 44 1 folks that are going to be able to use this thing, and I'm 2 excited about it. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have one other question. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have one other question. 6 The office at the west end, the 10-by-10 office, what is that 7 for? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maintenance. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Maintenance. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the other one is 11 potentially maintenance? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, that one's -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely. I think there's 14 two here. 15 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, one's an equipment 16 room. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that what it is? That's 18 one of those where there's a lot of -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's a counter on that front 20 part of that. There's an office in the back and an open area 21 with a counter in the front. 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: There's also going to be, 23 inside of that, the -- the monitor well that's there now, 24 it's going to be inside the building where they can still 25 come in and use it for a monitor room. Headwaters does that 3-24-14 45 1 once a month. And plugging it, doing away with it, they 2 preferred that we not do that, and so we made it to where it 3 would be inside where they can still come in and drop their 4 little probe in there to find out what the water levels are. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's vote. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want to vote. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. We're going to approve the 9 plans and specifications for the exhibit hall at Hill Country 10 Youth Exhibit Center and authorize going out for bids. It's 11 been moved and seconded to that. Those in favor, raise your 12 right hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the bids are due back the 16 Friday before the second meeting of April. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, that's right. That's part of 18 it, too. 19 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: That will give us enough time 20 to review the bids. It gives Peter enough time to do that. 21 He's going to, I think, make it mandatory that this be good 22 for 45 days rather than 30 once we open the bids, so that 23 will put us no later than the 1st of June being able to get 24 started. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And just an update for the 3-24-14 46 1 agenda item. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: And you project it's going to be 3 finished by stock show time? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Hopefully in advance of that 6 time. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I bet you it's tight. 8 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well in advance. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bruce and I have been working 10 with the Maintenance Department quite a bit and discussing it 11 with Road and Bridge, trying to schedule all this. The 12 excavator to do the demolition is set to come on the 2nd of 13 April. The fencing that will go around, Road and Bridge and 14 Maintenance got together as to how that's going to go. They 15 measured that. It's going to come in on -- 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I don't know. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's on the 2nd also, I think. 18 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Those two are happening the 19 same day. They can install the fencing. We learned the last 20 time that when they start tearing down with the excavator, 21 you get a lot of dust and stuff. And we went ahead, and with 22 the help of Rusty and some of the trustees, they've taken 23 down all the ceiling tiles, all the insulation out of all 24 that area, all the ductwork and a whole lot of the -- any of 25 the sheetrock type stuff has already been taken out. I think 3-24-14 47 1 they hauled out seven or eight dumpster loads last week, so 2 all that's been taken care of. So, when the excavator starts 3 to tear it up, it's going to pretty much be masonry and 4 metal. We didn't want to contaminate all the metal with all 5 the ceiling tile mess, and then have to separate it all. And 6 so we did -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Appreciate you guys being 8 construction superintendents. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Well, that's kind of what -- 10 yeah. (Laughter.) 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Didn't want to volunteer for 12 that. 13 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I did last time. And this 14 time it's not going to be near as tense or as nasty as that 15 hog barn was. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to -- that 17 was -- that motion already passed. All right, we're going to 18 1.13; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 19 concerning scope of work revisions and related costs for 20 Center Point wastewater project. Commissioner Moser and 21 Commissioner Letz. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. We had this on the 23 agenda last time, and what it is, basically -- I think 24 everybody's got the background for it in your handout. The 25 Center Point wastewater system detailed engineering is to be 3-24-14 48 1 scheduled this year. We found that as part of the 2 preliminary analysis, that the flow from Center Point east to 3 the Comfort wastewater treatment system, the flow was such 4 that to accommodate the T.C.E.Q. requirement that the average 5 flow be increased by a factor of four, okay, that the 6 facility in Comfort could not accommodate that. So, with 7 that, they said we had to do something to engineer some type 8 of capacity where it goes into a holding pond or whatever, 9 okay, before it goes in the wastewater treatment facility. 10 So, to do that is additional engineering, and it's 11 about $130,000 for the additional engineering. We can take 12 65,000, ballpark, out of the contingency fund we have there 13 for engineering, but we need an additional $65,000 to cover 14 that additional engineering, okay. It's a critical part 15 right now, and Jonathan and I both have looked at other ways 16 to try and say we don't need it. We looked at the time from 17 when the flow begins from Center Point to the time it reaches 18 Comfort; we said maybe that'll enable it so we don't have to 19 put the big surge capacity in there. That doesn't work, 20 according to the analysis that's been done. So, to keep this 21 project moving forward, we need to have the additional funds 22 of $65,000 in that. And Jeannie has looked at that, and I 23 don't know if Jeannie wants to speak to the source for the 24 $65,000 that we need. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am? 3-24-14 49 1 MS. HARGIS: At the last meeting, I think we -- we 2 discussed whether or not you could declare an emergency and 3 use the reserve, and I think after looking at the law, we all 4 decided that we could do that. It's up to the Court as to -- 5 as to what they want to do. So, if you declare an emergency, 6 then we can use 65,000 in reserve. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do you -- and at this point, 8 there's no single line item, or item that you can identify in 9 the budget? You're comfortable that we will have it, but we 10 just don't know where it will be? 11 MS. HARGIS: Not now. I mean, we've got some other 12 problems that I'm going to have to bring back. I mean, our 13 budgets are a little too tight this year. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I will add one thing, too. 16 We looked at -- and I'll repeat it. This request was 17 discussed at last Commissioners Court. We looked at an 18 option, you know, to de-scope the project, okay, de-scope the 19 engineering of it, and there's some areas that we could take 20 out of project that are pretty important to current needs, 21 okay, where people with existing septic tanks that want to 22 hook in or need to hook into this facility, we would have to 23 take them off the thing. There's some other things down 24 toward Comfort that, for future expansion, we'd have to 25 eliminate the engineering that goes to that. So, it doesn't 3-24-14 50 1 look like a good idea for that option, so the best thing to 2 do is -- is to try and keep the project scope as we defined 3 in the preliminary and continue with the detailed 4 engineering. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: And that would be a health problem 6 if they don't get -- if they're not able to connect onto it 7 as soon as possible? 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I -- and Jonathan can 9 weigh in on this. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm thinking about the emergency 11 clause. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a public health issue, the 14 reason for the plan. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. And I think this 16 project at one time -- I don't know if it still is -- was 17 T.W. -- Texas Water Development Board's number-one project 18 need for those kind of reasons in this -- in the state. And 19 Jonathan -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that goes to what the Judge 21 just mentioned. I mean, the reason for this project and the 22 reason it's been a high priority the whole time is a water 23 quality issue in the Guadalupe River, and because of a lot of 24 very close to, if not failing septic systems along the river 25 in the Center Point area. So, it's a very important -- 3-24-14 51 1 JUDGE POLLARD: There's a concentration of them in 2 certain areas. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Concentration. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: On small tracts. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And I think it 6 qualifies as an emergency. Now, I obviously don't like doing 7 it; I don't take it lightly, but it's an unforeseen, 8 unbudgeted item. And I'll make a motion that we declare an 9 emergency and approve up to $65,000 to come out of reserves. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Out of contingency funds? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will come out of the 12 reserves. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Out of reserves? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Out of reserves. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I'll second that. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further discussion on 17 that motion? 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to make a 19 comment, that -- let's see, there's 65 already coming out of 20 contingency, correct? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's in the -- that's 22 already in the project. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, right. We're taking out 25 of -- which is not a good thing to do in any engineering 3-24-14 52 1 project, to spend your contingency at the very beginning. 2 It's not a good practice. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, no. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Probably means we're going to have 5 to come up with some more later on. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: May have to. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just don't like the idea 8 of us not holding -- we've been talking about this thing for 9 years. Commissioner Williams -- you know, for years this 10 thing's been planned out and debated, whether we're going to 11 try to pump it to Kerrville or go to Comfort, and been 12 looking at the Comfort thing for years -- plural, "years," 13 and didn't see this coming. I mean, somebody needs to be 14 held accountable for not seeing this. And -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let me comment on that. 16 The only reason you didn't see it is because we didn't know 17 how many parcels of land or homes would be hooked up until we 18 did the preliminary engineering. Preliminary engineering has 19 just been completed, okay? All of the funding from Texas 20 Water Development Board, et cetera, et cetera, that's what's 21 taken the years. You didn't have the fact that there were 22 going to be 900 potential connections. And then with the 900 23 potential connections, then you can calculate the flow rate, 24 and then with the flow rate, then you multiply by four. The 25 other given is you know what the capacity is at W.C.I.D., so 3-24-14 53 1 that would have been impossible to do until right now. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I couldn't disagree 3 with you more. I mean, somebody -- someone has known all 4 along how many houses are going to be taken off of -- oh, 5 yeah. I mean, I'm going to vote for it, but I'm just 6 thinking that, you know, we're just automatically going to 7 send -- send money down there, and we're not holding anybody 8 accountable. Somebody should have seen this. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let me -- let me -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I don't care if it's 11 T.W.D.C. or who -- some state agency or somebody down at 12 Comfort or our engineers or who. I don't care who it is. 13 Someone overlooked that, and let's put -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Buster, it doesn't make any 15 difference. Who cares whether you pin that tail on that 16 donkey? We're still going to have to do this anyway. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know; I don't see the need 19 to hang that tag on somebody right now. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, I do. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They need to be slapped 23 around quite a bit. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- to answer your 25 question, Buster, I think if there's a person that should 3-24-14 54 1 have been responsible, I don't think they had all the 2 information to know, but it would be the engineers. They're 3 the ones that -- they're doing the work. But I think with 4 the information that they had going in, they thought, you 5 know, it would be -- it has not been -- this is not the first 6 time that T.C.E.Q. and T.W.D.B. have changed their 7 requirements midstream. So, between those entities, you 8 know, it -- that's where it happened. Now, I don't know -- 9 Commissioner Moser may know how to calculate sewage, but I 10 don't know how you calculate that stuff. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I deal with a lot of that 12 stuff. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I agree. And it's 14 unfortunate. I don't know if it was Tetra Tech or T.C.E.Q. 15 or Water Development Board, or a combination of the three. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I appreciate you saying 17 that; that's what I was looking for. And the -- and your 18 earlier argument when you first started talking about doing 19 this exact issue here is that you disagreed with the thing, 20 if the thing -- holding tank is needed at all. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Let me -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: See, we don't even know if 24 the dadgum thing is needed, and we're spending $65,000 of 25 unbudgeted money. That's upsetting. 3-24-14 55 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me make it crystal clear, 2 okay, that we didn't have an engineer on the project until we 3 hired Tetra Tech. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you just taking up for 5 engineers? Or -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, I'm trying to explain the 7 process to you, why we didn't know this before, okay? It's 8 very -- very clear. On a project like this, you have a 9 general idea what you want to do. Jonathan and I looked at 10 this, and once we got the engineering firm on board, we 11 looked at -- we thought we could afford a certain amount, so 12 we looked at parcels of land and -- and where existing 13 housing was that we could include. Like, one of them would 14 be going out Skyline, probably about 3 or 4 miles of line, 15 and we hook up a lot of homes out there. That was an option, 16 okay? We couldn't do that until we got the engineering firm 17 on board. Tetra Tech didn't get on board until last year, 18 okay? Once Tetra Tech got on board, then they were able to 19 do this preliminary analysis. And so you couldn't -- I mean, 20 I don't think anybody on the Court was going to do that 21 sewage flow analysis ourselves, okay? And so that was -- if 22 you want to pin a tail on that donkey, okay, the only thing 23 is Commissioners Court didn't roll up our sleeves and do 24 their own engineering, which I don't think we would have 25 done, should have done, could have done. So, therefore, 3-24-14 56 1 until we got the engineering firm, you wouldn't have known 2 this. So, end of statement. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think one more comment on it, 4 that during -- the last three Commissioners in Precinct 2 and 5 me, during that period, the -- the area has moved a little 6 bit. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, it has. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The area that Commissioner 9 Moser talked about, we included -- we kind of forced. We've 10 probably added, I bet, 200 connections of things that were 11 cut out because of budget reasons early on. And Tetra Tech's 12 done a very good job of including those within the project 13 without asking for any more money. Everyone assumed -- and 14 it was a bad assumption. We didn't look at the consequences 15 in Comfort of the treatment side of it when we added -- kept 16 on expanding the areas a little bit more, which -- and we 17 ended up with -- it's a peak flow issue, not a capacity 18 issue. They have plenty of capacity to treat it; they just 19 can't treat it quick enough. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And there's another thing, 21 too, Buster; that as we got into the engineering, we said, 22 "Let's don't size this system for current needs. Let's size 23 it for 20 to 50 years in the future as best we can." So, 24 we -- when you do that, you just have to assume that the flow 25 rate is going to be such that -- 3-24-14 57 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- you got to accommodate it. 3 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Kind of like the new exhibit 4 hall, Buster. We're sizing it for the future; we're not 5 sizing for just today. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, okay, okay. I got it, 7 man. I got it. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I hope there's no further 9 discussion. (Laughter.) There being no further discussion, 10 those in favor of the motion, raise your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's 4-0, unanimous. 13 Thank you. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that -- was there a 15 specific amount of money? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not to exceed 65,000. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: 65,000. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not to exceed 65? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the reason I did it 22 that way, I believe the actual number is 64-something. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 64,207.52. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll go to -- it's not 3-24-14 58 1 quite 10 o'clock yet, so we'll go to 1.14; consider, discuss, 2 and take appropriate action regarding Kerr County Center 3 Point Wastewater System water conservation plan. 4 Commissioner Moser? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. Same 6 project. The requirement is that any projects like that, you 7 have to have a water conservation plan, even though there's 8 not a lot of water to be conserved here. So, we have -- we 9 have prepared a water conservation plan, which you have a 10 copy in front of you. It really is made up of two parts. It 11 says we're going to conserve water by educating the public, 12 okay, Item Number 1. Item Number 2 is to use the effluent, 13 and that is probably the most significant thing, which is in 14 the second paragraph of the profile, to use that effluent for 15 things like golf courses and things like that. That is the 16 very valuable product that comes out of this, using the 17 effluent if there's a golf course down there or some other 18 things. I think we probably discussed that with W.C.I.D., 19 what kind of credit Kerr County can get for providing that 20 effluent, because the City right now, they have a shortage of 21 effluent. There's more demand for it than there is available 22 effluent water, so this is adding some effluent water down 23 there. So, this is the plan, so I make a motion that we 24 adopt and submit the Kerr County Center Point Wastewater 25 System water conservation plan as -- as documented. 3-24-14 59 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved and 3 seconded. Any further discussion on it? There being none, 4 those in favor of the motion, raise your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It's unanimous, 4-0. All right, 7 it's 10 o'clock now. Let's go back to 1.8, status for Alamo 8 Community College facility at the Kerrville/Kerr County 9 Airport. Shawna Fahrenthold. How are you this morning? 10 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Good morning, gentlemen, Judge. 11 I'm great. I just wanted to -- Commissioner Moser asked me 12 to come in and speak in regards to some of the things we have 13 going on with the airport. I've been in previously and asked 14 for approval to use the building and, you know, some other 15 center updates, so I kind of wanted to say where we're at 16 right now. Our -- our lease with the airport was coming up 17 at the end of July; July 31st was going to end our two-year 18 lease that we had signed with the Airport Board and 19 City/County for that facility -- for that building, 1994 20 Airport Loop. I have recently learned of some A.D.A. 21 compliance issues that we have there that have to be 22 corrected, and in order -- before I move forward with 23 correcting those -- those issues that are required, which is 24 about $10,000 worth of work, I -- I went to the Airport Board 25 and asked them if we could extend or execute a new lease on 3-24-14 60 1 that airport building, and we -- they had an Airport Board 2 meeting last week, and they agreed to do a two-year lease 3 that will start in August and last for two years. 4 We're not completely finished; we've got some 5 signatures to get, and then it'll be signed and we'll be in 6 there. And then we'll be -- we're making those repairs, 7 those A.D.A. repairs. Alamo Colleges is going to do a lot of 8 the work, which is going to save us some money, but it's 9 still about $10,000 worth of work. And I say that on top 10 of -- I recently, for the County Auditor, I figured up how 11 much money we had spent on improvements in that building 12 since we took it over, you know, almost two years ago, and it 13 was over $140,000. And, you know, we had to make a bathroom 14 A.D.A. compliant. We put in -- we put in some tile. We had 15 to fireproof -- we had to get fire retardant spray put on all 16 structural members of that building; that was quite -- quite 17 costly. We've put new ceiling tiles in the offices. Just, 18 you know, some of the things. So, anyway, we've spent some 19 money there, and we were glad to get the lease to move 20 forward. And we're going to get that -- start working on the 21 A.D.A. compliance issues. It's going to require us to take 22 out some cement in the front. There's a little flower bed 23 out there that I loved that has to go away because it doesn't 24 fall in compliance. And so -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Shawna, let me interrupt you 3-24-14 61 1 for a second. Just for the Judge's background, the building, 2 we -- the Airport Board couldn't lease it the way it was. 3 So, they have a lease now that's been extended for a dollar a 4 year, but all improvements to this, should they vacate, when 5 they vacate, they'll revert back to the City and County. So 6 it's -- you know, it's a win-win. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Which is the way I hope the River 8 Star Park is. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Ought to have that provision in the 11 lease. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Excuse me, Shawna. 13 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: You're fine. So, when we started 14 this project, we were in partnership with Fox Tank in order 15 to train some of their people, and so we got the equipment 16 through grants. All the welding equipment was done through 17 T.W.C. and grants. And so we -- we got the building ready, 18 and it took some time. I think it took me about six, seven 19 months to get the building -- and when y'all said contractor, 20 not in my job description, but it -- it was certainly 21 something that I did. I learned a lot of things about 22 welding, plumbing, city codes, county codes, you know, all 23 kinds of things that I never thought that I would -- would 24 need with my job, but we got the building going. 25 We -- at that point, we were waiting for Fox Tank 3-24-14 62 1 to be prepared to hire employees to send to us to train, and 2 they were going through their A.P.I. process, and so they 3 were kind of in a holding pattern on hiring. When they did 4 get their A.P.I., they were just overwhelmed with orders, and 5 just didn't have the ability to release people to come and 6 train. They were hiring experienced people, basically. So, 7 we started just having some public courses, and we -- we've 8 sent -- I think we're close to about 40 people that we have 9 trained in welding. Right now, and something that Judge 10 Tinley would just be so proud of, is that we just did a high 11 school class. They finish up next week. And we have three 12 outstanding welders, and one of them is a girl. And I 13 couldn't be prouder to have a girl in my welding facility 14 training. And I've had another woman who trained, but this 15 girl is pretty fantastic. I've gone out and seen these guys, 16 but they're high school seniors -- two are high school 17 seniors; one's a junior. And I've seen their weld tests that 18 the instructor has given them, and I think they could easily 19 go and get a welding certification and get a job in this 20 community. And -- and I have referred them to a few places 21 that I've been notified need some welders, and so hopefully 22 these guys -- these young people get a job. 23 We're working on getting another adult course 24 going. We're talking about doing some evenings, because we 25 have some people who can't really do daytime, 'cause they 3-24-14 63 1 might already have a job. Some of the people who have taken 2 the course have just done it for self-enrichment; they want 3 to weld on their ranch, a fence or a gate, so they're not -- 4 not all have been just for employment purposes. When we did 5 the grant, we knew that there was a shortage of about 300,000 6 welders across the nation, and I have -- I know that we want 7 to train them and keep them here, 'cause we want them to give 8 back to this community. But something that I have said 9 before is that we -- I have heard of people who get training 10 in welding or such, and then they go to Eagle Ford Shale and 11 work, but they still come home on the weekends. So, they may 12 be working there, but they come home and they still spend 13 some money in this community. Or some of them go down there, 14 and it's just so hectic and so busy, and too much, and 15 they're away from families, and they move back and look for 16 jobs here. I know that Fox Tank has some of those people who 17 have worked in Eagle Ford Shale, but needed to be back home, 18 and they're coming back here. 19 So, you know, we're eager to train more people in 20 welding. We are starting -- tomorrow, actually, I have a 21 meeting; we're going to start trying to come up with a 22 marketing plan. We know that we've got to market it more. 23 We've got to get it out there. We've done what we can to 24 this point. For budget purposes, last year I was completely 25 out of money, 'cause I used everything in my budget to make 3-24-14 64 1 sure that the building was ready to go. And so we're going 2 to start marketing it more. We're looking for an additional 3 welding instructor, and we're ready to hit the ground 4 rolling, get some people trained in welding and get them some 5 jobs. I know that I went to a meeting with some of you guys 6 last week at Fox Tank, and they're talking about needing -- I 7 believe they said about 30 more employees. So, hopefully we 8 can get some people trained that can get in -- get in there 9 and work for Fox Tank. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you happen to know how many of 11 the 40 you've trained are working at Fox Tank now? 12 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: I do know that there are three. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Three? 14 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Three. And I know that -- I know 15 that a couple of -- a couple of them, I think, are at 16 Frontier Truck Gear in Center Point. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In Center Point. 18 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Yes. And, you know, some of them 19 did it for personal enrichment. There's two guys that we 20 trained in welding that are working for the MacDonald -- not 21 McDonald's, the chain store, but MacDonald Company here in 22 Kerrville. They do -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: MacDonald Companies. 24 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: MacDonald Companies. So, a 25 couple of them work there, so they are -- you know, we do 3-24-14 65 1 know of quite a few that are still here. But we would 2 certainly like to improve that and increase the people that 3 are here working in the welding field and making a wage. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: How does this work? I know that 5 the -- K.I.S.D. at one time years ago had a -- had a welding 6 program, too. 7 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: And that's what we're doing with 8 the high school students. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: You're doing that in conjunction, 10 working with them? 11 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: With K.I.S.D. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And Shawna's looking to the 13 future of, you know, what other technical trades and 14 education they can do out there, and that's a little bit 15 longer process, from automobile mechanics to other things. 16 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: One thing that we've talked about 17 a little bit, and I do have some equipment for, is some 18 electrical training, once we secure the need in the -- with 19 the public for that. We have some -- we have that available, 20 'cause that doesn't take as much space. I mean, obviously, 21 you know, the welders take up one whole wall in that 22 building, and then, you know, we've bought all kinds of -- 23 you know, they have bandsaws and grinders, and there's a 24 forklift out there for them to move their stuff around. I 25 mean, they just do -- there's -- the building's pretty full, 3-24-14 66 1 except for just the little center part. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And when U.S. Senator Cornyn 3 was here -- I know several of us were there last week. I 4 think he spent more time talking about Alamo College than 5 anything. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: He did. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How that was playing into Fox 8 Tank, and how it was playing into the whole employment thing, 9 that -- in the oil production activity down in the south. 10 So, very -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: He did. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very interesting subject. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: He pushed your product. 14 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Yes, he did. We're excited about 15 that. So, that's my update. I mean, I could tell you all 16 about other stuff going on, but I'm going to keep it limited 17 today, and I just basically kind of wanted to talk about the 18 building and, you know, just say to you guys thank you for 19 your support and help, and helping us get the building 20 originally. And there was, you know, some funding that was 21 for electrical purposes that was paid by the City and County 22 that helped us out. And, you know, those are things that, 23 again, will stay when we leave. I mean, we'll probably take 24 our equipment when we vacate that building, which hopefully 25 isn't any time soon. Hopefully, we'll be training people in 3-24-14 67 1 this welding field; we'll continue to be available for them 2 to have employment. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good deal. Thank you. 4 MS. FAHRENTHOLD: Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you very much, Shawna. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, then we'll go to 1.9; 7 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on request 8 from the Y.M.C.A. to close Riverside Drive and any other 9 special requests -- that's kind of broad. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: For their 5K Run/Walk on June 14, 12 2014. Ms. Misty Reichenau Kothe or Samantha Taylor. Hi. 13 MS. KOTHE: Good morning. I'm Misty Kothe; 14 Samantha Taylor was unable to be here. Excuse me. We had 15 previously come to you, and you had approved our usage for 16 the River Star and the show barn and Flat Rock for our 5K on 17 the 14th of June. We're returning today based on all of our 18 preliminary mapped courses that we have tried to do on 19 satellite images on the computer show us crossing Riverside 20 Drive in some manner, whether it's an immediate crossing or 21 we take part of the route down Riverside Drive. To have the 22 utmost safety for our runners and walkers, we wanted to come 23 back to you to request approval to close Riverside Drive. 24 And right now, we're looking from the entrance of Flat Rock 25 Park down past the back entrance/exit of the Youth Exhibition 3-24-14 68 1 Center. The time we're looking at is probably about 7:45 in 2 the morning to 10:00. Our race officially starts -- the 3 walkers will start at 8 a.m., and I expect them to finish 4 within 45 minutes to an hour. And then our -- our runners 5 will start at 8:30, and they normally finish in 30 to 45 6 minutes, so that gives us time to make sure all of our 7 stragglers get through and aren't at risk on that road as 8 well. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't have a problem with 10 closing the road at all, but I certainly do have a problem 11 with "any other special request." Would you offer to please 12 delete that? 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, what did you have in mind 14 when you -- when that was included? 15 MS. GRINSTEAD: That was more my wording, because 16 last time we did not specify Riverside Drive, so she had to 17 come back specifically for that. So that's why I left it 18 very broad, so I'm sure that was my wording. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, that would be for any 20 other special request as approved by Jody. 21 MS. GRINSTEAD: Exactly. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My only question would be the 23 area to close. It would make sense, just for turning around 24 and things, you probably need to go from about Maldonado -- 25 the little road that goes by Maldonado's all the way down to, 3-24-14 69 1 I guess, the other entrance to the park. Down there where 2 the bridge crosses Third Creek, there's an area, I think, 3 where you can turn around, so that segment's where I think 4 Rusty will close it. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Road and Bridge has to close 6 it. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Aren't you around, though? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Normally, no. There's just 9 security. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion to approve the 11 request. What were the hours again, Misty? 12 MS. KOTHE: 7:45 to 10 a.m. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How about from 7:00 to 10:00 14 the morning of the -- 14th of June? 15 MS. KOTHE: Yes. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 14th of June. 17 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And authorize Road and Bridge 19 to -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Make it 7:00 to 10:30. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 7:00 to 10:30, and authorize 22 Road and Bridge to block it off. 23 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Any 3-24-14 70 1 further discussion? There being none, those in favor, raise 2 your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: 4-0; it's unanimous. All right. 5 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I thought I got five; I saw 6 your hand go up. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: No, I didn't see it. It's not 8 going to go up unless there's a tie vote. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I was hoping that would be 10 different. 11 (Discussion off the record.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Where does that take us 13 back to? We did 1.5, didn't we? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, we haven't done that. 15 That's executive session. 16 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: And she's not here. We can't 17 do anything with that anyway, because we don't have 18 anything -- we didn't approve anything for -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1.15, not 1.5. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Oh, 15. Well, not yet. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't we, Judge, go into 22 the rest of the agenda, the approval items and that? 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then we can come back to 25 executive session. 3-24-14 71 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good idea. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Action Agenda, then. Any 4 action that may be required on matters discussed in executive 5 session -- well, we'll do that later. Approval Agenda, pay 6 the bills. Anybody want to make a motion here? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion we pay the 8 bills. 9 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Any 11 discussion about that? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I do have some 13 questions. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: A couple of questions. And 16 every time I go through this, I know she thinks that I'm 17 throwing rocks at her, but I am not. I'm just trying to 18 understand some -- some of the language here and what's going 19 on with taxpayers' money. Page 2. Let's see, that would be 20 Nondepartmental. At the top, employee training. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's the line item? 22 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: 409-216. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right. 24 MS. HARGIS: That's where I'm putting the gas for 25 the car. 3-24-14 72 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Gas in the car. And tires 2 for the car? 3 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that what that is? 5 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then the next page, Page 7 3, I guess what really caught my eye was the credit card. 8 I've seen that J.P. Morgan credit card. 198th District 9 Court, you used -- let me just ask you, did you use a credit 10 card to buy office supplies? 11 MS. HARGIS: They did. They used my credit card. 12 That's why it says my name first. There's only one credit 13 card; everybody signs it out and uses it. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a county credit card. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right. And drop down a 16 couple. District Clerk, there's that credit card again, and 17 conferences for the Auditor and District Clerk. Is that what 18 I'm reading? 19 MS. HARGIS: Just the District Clerk. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. It says Auditor on 21 there. 22 MS. HARGIS: I know, but it's not me. It's just 23 that it's my card. I think that's what she put. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That may be what it is. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The County's card in your name. 3-24-14 73 1 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: County card in your name. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So -- yeah. So that -- that 3 particular one was $311, and then on the next page, there is 4 another one for the same office for $585. And how much 5 training -- my god, how much training and conferences do we 6 need to go to? 7 MS. HARGIS: Well, there's usually the conference 8 fee, and then there's the housing. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. One's the conference 10 fee; one's the room and board. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, one school's about a 12 thousand bucks? For -- 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Pretty close. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Per person? Now you know 15 why I don't go to these stupid things. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I mean, as part of continuing 17 education. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. I do not go 19 to them. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Used to. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I used to go to a lot of 23 them. I don't go to any of them any more. Not going to. 24 What are they going to do, kick me out? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think they're all budgeted. 3-24-14 74 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The top one on the County 2 Auditor, there's one for 685. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Which page are you on? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm still on Page 4 -- or 5 I'm on Page 4. The 685, now, tell me what that is. 6 MS. HARGIS: You got me on that one. The only 7 thing I can figure is it's a paper, 'cause we buy the paper. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's training. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Employee training. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 495-216. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You don't know what it is? 12 And then two down is employee training. 13 MS. HARGIS: That's -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There's the Auditor and the 15 District Clerk for the $585. 16 MS. HARGIS: That's a credit of $585.40. And -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's a credit? 18 MS. HARGIS: Yes. And on the first page is also a 19 credit for $311. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh my god, this is getting 21 good. Yeah, I see that. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Making money. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, we're making money 24 here. Should I go on? 25 JUDGE POLLARD: As long as you're making money. 3-24-14 75 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Now, why is that a 2 credit? Tell me why. 3 MS. HARGIS: Well, some people -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did we overspend somewhere? 5 MS. HARGIS: No. People -- some people sign up for 6 conferences and then they don't go, and then we get a credit. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Turned back in. Thank you. 8 Thank you very much. That's all I have. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any other questions on the 10 bills? It's been moved and seconded that the bills be paid. 11 Those in favor, raise your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: That's 4-0. Budget amendments? 14 Any? 15 MS. HARGIS: Yes, we have three. You should all 16 have a copy of them. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think I do. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I didn't get that. He has it. 19 Maybe it's in my box. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: I didn't get to see them. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, yeah, I do. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, I saw them. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll move approval. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Second. 3-24-14 76 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Any 2 discussion? Commissioner Baldwin, you're questioning 3 everything today, so you got the floor. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have no questions on this, 5 'cause this makes sense. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Those in favor, raise your 7 right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Okay, late 10 bills. 11 MS. HARGIS: There are no late bills. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we won't have to vote on 13 that, then. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Monthly reports. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Monthly reports? Okay. This is a 16 monthly report from Kerr County Treasurer. Anybody have any 17 questions or comments about it? J.P. 2, 1, and 4. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we accept the reports. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Any 21 discussion about it? There being none, those in favor, raise 22 your right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: 4-0; that's approved. 25 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Got to sign it. 3-24-14 77 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Information Agenda. Let's see. 2 Liaison/committee assignments per attachment. Reports? I 3 think we already addressed that, didn't we? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's -- this is a different 5 item than the information one, usually. But I don't have 6 anything. This is more specify usually to those, but I don't 7 have any, anyway. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Reports from department heads? 9 Yes, Sheriff? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, as usual. The jail 11 population is a little bit better as of this morning. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: "Better" means increased or 13 decreased? 14 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: Decreased. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Decreased. It never is better 16 when it increases. This morning we have 142; 24 of those are 17 females, so the female has dropped a little bit. I don't 18 know for how long. There are a couple other things that I do 19 feel I need to mention. There was a meeting last week over 20 what was termed as the Michael Morton Act with the 21 prosecutors. Heather was there. Also, there's going to be a 22 lot of questions as to the effect that has on the county 23 jail, and it could have a devastating, drastic effect on the 24 county jail, because it's very possible that defense 25 attorneys will say that clients no longer will plead on 3-24-14 78 1 information or plead guilty until every bit of forensic 2 testing, everything is done, okay? There is some judges that 3 say they can waive that; some judges say they can't. 4 Legislature is going to have to look at it again, but if 5 that's done, then county jail population is going to increase 6 drastically, quickly. I don't know what we're going to look 7 at with doing that; we'll just have to see where it goes. A 8 couple other things. It's been a very difficult week for the 9 Sheriff's Office. We had one of my employees, the 10 receptionist that pretty well answers the phone every time 11 y'all call out there, her husband, a granddaughter, and a 12 daughter were involved in a wreck in Fredericksburg last 13 week. They had to helicopter all three of them by separate 14 helicopters to San Antonio. The daughter and granddaughter 15 are fine. The husband passed away while we were here this 16 morning. Second thing, one of my deputies last week suffered 17 a stroke; he's in the hospital in San Antonio. He has been 18 moved out of ICU. He is making a recovery, but it's going to 19 be a long, slow process. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Who is it? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Huh? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He can't talk about it. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, he can't? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Can't mention a name. So, 25 it's just -- let's just keep, you know, those people in our 3-24-14 79 1 prayers. And other than that, we're moving forward. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am? 3 MS. HARGIS: We'll be closing on the C.O. tomorrow. 4 The funding will take place probably in the morning around 5 10 o'clock. So -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Champagne is in order? 7 MS. HARGIS: And it's all going to be invested 8 immediately. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am? 11 MS. LANTZ: I just wanted to give the Court an 12 update on the EMS responders. It's been 90 days since we 13 started the process of getting Kerr County First Responders 14 onto the roster. We've had three people who successfully 15 completed application in the process, and two currently have 16 been accepted and will be getting their equipment this week. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 18 MS. LANTZ: We're waiting on one more to go through 19 one of the testing. And Dr. Nail has approved those to come 20 onto the roster. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If I can -- that brought up 23 one thing that I would ask that the Court look at. And I 24 know that some -- one or two of our employees has had to be 25 transported by EMS in this past year, and Kerrville EMS is 3-24-14 80 1 not part of our providers. So, your -- if it's medical and 2 you're transported anywhere by Kerrville EMS, your insurance 3 will not cover that as a provider. 4 MS. LANTZ: And I have spoken with the County 5 Attorney about that. That's one of the issues with our 6 current plan. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'd like to see in the budget 8 process if we can try and get that. 9 MS. LANTZ: I don't know if we can do that. That's 10 something -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The other thing -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait, let's stay on that 13 just for a second. Just for a second. I don't know that you 14 need to deal with it through the budget. I think the County 15 Judge could write a letter today to the City to ask them to 16 include us in the -- 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't know what the process 18 is. 19 MS. LANTZ: That's getting us into the network. 20 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: They'll need to include 21 themselves as preferred provider for their own employees. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I understand that, but 23 I want them to say no to us. 24 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: I understand. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Especially after we've cut 3-24-14 81 1 this ten-year deal. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The second thing I would 3 mention is, on those employees of mine that were injured or 4 sick this last week, the County offers for all employees the 5 ability to sign up for both helicopter providers here, and it 6 is a great benefit. I think the cost on one for a family 7 is -- 8 MS. LANTZ: $45. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And the other one is? 10 MS. LANTZ: Is $10. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: $10 for employees. 12 MS. LANTZ: We do that once a year. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Do it once a year. 14 MS. LANTZ: In March. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But I would recommend -- 16 because, unfortunately, as my employees are finding out, the 17 one wreck was not in this county, but they used three 18 separate helicopters to transport those three people. And 19 the two girls were not injured bad at all; they were released 20 later that night. But that's three major helicopter bills 21 that were not covered. And the employee that also had the 22 stroke had not signed up for any of that. And, of course, he 23 was transported immediately by helicopter from here, and so 24 that also was something -- so I would encourage, when that 25 time comes available, for all our county employees to sign up 3-24-14 82 1 for that. It may not be used, but if it's used one time, it 2 would pay for a lifetime of those membership dues. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a $10,000 to $15,000 4 airplane ride. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: At least. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the thing people need to 7 remember, they need to sign up for both, because it's 8 alternated through dispatch, and you can sign up for one, and 9 you -- you have a 50/50 shot of being covered. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's actually Kerrville 11 Fire/EMS, if it's here, are the ones that do it. One only 12 provides service in Texas. The other one provides service -- 13 MS. LANTZ: All over. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- all over the U.S. So, you 15 really do need -- they're not going to look at what sticker 16 you have on your car or what card you have in your pocket. 17 They're just going to call, and that helicopter's going to 18 come get you. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jonathan's exactly right. 20 Sign up for both. 21 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: You don't want to not sign. 22 You really want to do that. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: As a matter of fact, I think 24 the total of $55 dollars for both services for a family -- if 25 you just do it as an individual, it would only cover one. I 3-24-14 83 1 think it's $55 for one service for a family if you don't do 2 it through the County. So you're right, Sheriff. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's extremely beneficial, and 4 I would seriously encourage every employee to sign up. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: $55 is for -- what's covered? What 6 period of time? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's for a year. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Not a monthly charge. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a one-year. That's the 10 cheapest insurance you can buy. 11 COMMISSIONER OEHLER: When they transported my wife 12 from Hunt, it was $26,000. That was the bill we got, was 13 26,000. So, you know, go ahead and don't spend your $55 a 14 year and see what happens. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 16 MS. LANTZ: Just one other thing. We do have a 17 regional -- TAC regional meeting here this week on the 27th. 18 It is open to the county employees. It is free. It will be 19 at the Inn of the Hills from 8:00 to 5:00. Some things have 20 been going out and about throughout the county. I encourage 21 supervisors to -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that on Thursday? 23 MS. LANTZ: Sir? This Thursday, mm-hmm. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And do you have that agenda? 25 MS. LANTZ: I do. Not with me, but -- 3-24-14 84 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay. All right. 2 MS. LANTZ: But you do get C.E. credits for those 3 elected officials that do attend. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You need to resend the agenda, 5 Dawn. 6 MS. LANTZ: Sure. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any other department 8 heads wish to make a report or comment? All right. I 9 noticed the Mayor was out when we had that discussion about 10 the ambulance deal there. Somebody might want to visit with 11 him before he gets away. All right. Reports from boards, 12 commissions, and committees? City/County joint projects or 13 operation reports? Any reports? All right. Any other kind 14 of reports? If there are none, we'll adjourn and go into 15 executive session. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Could we have a five-minute 17 break? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, please. 19 (Recess taken from 10:30 a.m. to 10:45 a.m.) 20 - - - - - - - - - - 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's a quarter till 22 11:00, and we're going to go into executive session now. 23 (The open session was closed at 10:45 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 24 is contained in a separate document.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 3-24-14 85 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. The executive session 2 is closed, and we're back into open session at 11 -- looks 3 like about 11:21 a.m. We've had all our discussions. Is 4 there any action to be taken as a result of our executive 5 session? There's none? All right. Is there anything else 6 that needs to be discussed? If not, we're in adjournment. 7 Thank you, gentlemen. 8 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:22 a.m.) 9 - - - - - - - - - - 10 11 12 STATE OF TEXAS | 13 COUNTY OF KERR | 14 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 15 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 16 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 17 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 18 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 26th day of March, 2014. 19 20 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 21 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 22 Certified Shorthand Reporter 23 24 25 3-24-14