1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, April 28, 2014 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 2 1 I N D E X April 28, 2014 2 PAGE 3 --- Commissioners' Comments - 4 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to appoint a commissioner for Precinct 4 5 to fill the unexpired term 5 6 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding payment for EMS proposal to Burns 7 Anderson Jury & Brenner, L.L.P. 11 8 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to address possibility of prohibiting the sale or 9 use of restricted fireworks for Cinco de Mayo holiday 14 10 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 11 approve contract with Ricoh for new copiers in jail and CID office at the same rate we now pay 19 12 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 13 place on November 2014 General Election ballot the issue of changing state law to enable “THE 14 LEGAL SALE OF ALL ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES INCLUDING MIXED BEVERAGES IN KERR COUNTY, PRECINCT 2” 20 15 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 16 open responses to Request for Proposals (bids) for Exhibit Hall at Hill Country Youth Exhibit 17 Center; refer for evaluation and recommendation and award as appropriate 27 18 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 19 request for use of polo field at Hill Country Youth Event Center or Flat Rock Park for a 20 Christian Youth Rally 31 21 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to finalize layout for addition to the Kerr County 22 War Memorial 44 23 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request from Paul Scheineman to use Flat Rock 24 Lake Park for a private wedding on May 24, 2014 53 25 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) April 28, 2014 2 PAGE 3 4.1 Pay Bills 66 4.2 Budget Amendments 69 4 4.3 Late Bills 70 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 71 5 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 71 6 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee Assignments 78 7 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 8 personnel matter regarding salary for employee in County Attorney’s Office (Executive Session) 82 9 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 10 lease with Texas Arts and Crafts Fair (Executive Session) 83 11 1.11 Consider/discuss and take appropriate action on 12 discipline of an employee (Executive Session) 85 13 --- Adjourned 86 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 On Monday, April 28, 2014, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 9 a.m. on April 28th, 2014. 8 The Kerr County Commissioners Court is in session. 9 Commissioner Baldwin will lead us in the prayer and pledge of 10 allegiance. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Please stand. 12 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. This is the part of the 15 Commissioners Court session where we have visitors' input. 16 Is there anybody that -- any visitor that would like to step 17 forward to the podium and -- and give us their input? There 18 being none, we'll proceed now to Commissioners' comments. 19 Mr. Baldwin? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sir, I don't have anything 21 today, thank you. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm going to pass, thank you. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I have nothing to say. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll pass as well, Judge. 4-28-14 5 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, then we will go 2 to the first item on the agenda. That is consider, discuss, 3 and take appropriate action to appoint a commissioner for 4 Precinct 4 to fill the unexpired term. I'd like to say that 5 in the -- since Bruce has died, I've had probably 17 people 6 contact me that wanted to be considered for this -- for this 7 position, a lot of really well-qualified people. No question 8 about that. It was not an easy decision, but I've decided 9 that I want to go ahead and make that decision today. The -- 10 there is a statute that applies to this. It's Title 3, 11 organization of county government under Subtitle B, Chapter 12 87, Subchapter D, and in section 87.042 of -- of the Local 13 Government Code, and it says, "If a vacancy occurs in the 14 office of county commissioner, the county judge shall appoint 15 a suitable resident of the precinct in which the vacancy 16 exists to fill the vacancy until the next general election." 17 So, I am proposing do that here today. And my -- it says 18 "shall" appoint. I do hereby, under that statute, appoint 19 Bob Reeves to serve as Commissioner of Precinct 4. Is there 20 any comment? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sir, I would like to make a 22 comment. About one month ago, Commissioner Oehler, probably 23 the most popular Commissioner ever to serve in the history of 24 Kerr County, came to my office, and that was a rare -- rare 25 deal; that we sat down, and we sat down for about an hour and 4-28-14 6 1 a half and talked about everything in the world. And one of 2 those things was just talking about who I would like to have 3 to replace me when I'm through being a commissioner in Kerr 4 County. And he told me that he had -- that he would like to 5 see Bob Reeves replace him on the Commissioners Court. So, 6 personally, I think you've done the right thing, for a couple 7 of reasons. One, Bob's a man of integrity and a mirror of 8 Commissioner Oehler, and it's Commissioner Oehler's wishes, 9 and I appreciate you -- you upholding that. That's all. 10 Thank you. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Mr. Moser? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't have any comments. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Let me just say that I also 14 had a conversation with Bruce about a month ago; started off 15 like -- I asked him a question, "Bruce, when are you going to 16 retire?" He was just reelected, as you all know, to a 17 four-year term beginning January 1st of this next year, and 18 he told me at that time that he was -- that this was going to 19 be his last term, and at the end of that time, he suggested 20 that his successor ought to be Bob Reeves. Let me tell you, 21 that's important to me, but it's not the sole reason that 22 I've made that decision. I happen to have known Bob Reeves 23 for many years, and I've been involved with him on legal 24 matters for a number of years. I've been involved with his 25 family on legal matters -- or his wife's family for several 4-28-14 7 1 years, and most recently, about a year and a half or two 2 years ago, he testified against me in a case up in district 3 court. I thought he did -- he was testifying as an expert 4 witness, a real estate appraiser at that time, and he did a 5 good job. He did a really good job as that appraiser. But 6 most importantly, what I've noticed about Bob is that he's 7 careful; he's very thorough. He's careful about making his 8 decisions, and he considers all alternatives and arrives at a 9 very careful, well-thought-out solution. That sounds to me 10 like somebody that would make a really good county 11 commissioner. Although I can't -- I have no control over 12 anything that happens after the general election; that's -- 13 that's up to the Republican party, so he's only going to 14 serve under this appointment until the general election in 15 November. So, those are my thoughts. Do you have any, sir? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just one comment. And in the 17 past week, you and I have, I know, had several conversations, 18 and I appreciate you reaching out and, you know, asking what 19 I thought. And one of the things that I -- I don't recall 20 that I ever gave you a name or gave you people that I 21 think -- but I did give you a criteria. And I think that the 22 criteria that I gave you, which applies to Bob Reeves, is 23 that someone needs to -- in my opinion, needed to represent 24 the values of west Kerr County, 'cause Bruce did that, and I 25 think that that was very important. That was really my main 4-28-14 8 1 recommendation to you, and I think you selected someone that 2 does that, so I think you've made a very, very good choice. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd like to also add that I have 4 discussed it with all of the Commissioners, including 5 Commissioner Moser, and I appreciate all of their input and 6 thoughts on the matter. And there were people that urged me 7 to delay this decision for a while, but I felt it was 8 important. We -- right off the bat, just the day following 9 Bruce's death, why, of course, we had a little rain about 10 that time. Maybe it was two days after that, and people 11 started calling from Precinct 4 and wanting to lift the burn 12 ban out there. Well, you call your Commissioner about that, 13 and they couldn't reach Bruce, of course, and so it ended up, 14 I'm the default guy to make that decision. So, I ended up 15 having to call the chiefs of the fire departments out there, 16 and as soon as I got them on the phone, they started chewing 17 on me, saying, "Look, we can't have no commissioner out here. 18 Things come up all the time, and we got to -- we got to have 19 a commissioner in here." 20 And so they urged me, and chewed on me a little bit 21 to make sure that we got one appointed as quickly as 22 possible, so I'm trying to do that. That was in part why I 23 wanted to make that decision. The other was, my goodness, 24 we're spending a lot of time just talking to people that were 25 calling about wanting to be -- and their supporters and all 4-28-14 9 1 of that, so I decided, let's put this -- let's make a 2 decision, make a good, reasoned decision and put this matter 3 to rest, at least for a while, and then let the voters or the 4 Republican party solve this problem later on. Okay, that 5 completes Item 1 on the agenda, unless there are any other 6 further comments. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I do want to -- it's 8 my understanding that he will need to get a bond through an 9 insurance company. He'll be bonded and then be sworn in, and 10 then he can be seated with this body. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: That's correct. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And start making decisions. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: That's correct. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That -- that are the kind of 15 decisions that I like. See, that's what -- that's what we do 16 here with new people. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. So, he will then arrange to 18 get his bond, and it'll probably be on the next agenda of the 19 Commissioners Court to swear him in, whenever that is, either 20 a special session, or probably two weeks from now. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I mean, I don't -- 22 that's fine, but I was saying -- I don't know that we need a 23 court session for -- to swear him in. I think you can -- and 24 I think once he qualifies, whoever he wants to can swear him 25 in as soon as he gets the bonding, be sworn in and start 4-28-14 10 1 acting, I believe. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: I need a legal opinion on that. 3 MS. STEBBINS: Okay, I'll talk to you later today. 4 I need to -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, whatever -- the quicker 7 we can get it done, the better. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But he has to be bonded and 9 sworn in before he can be seated. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the issue. That's 12 the only issue. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does he want to make any 14 comments? 15 JUDGE POLLARD: No, that's it. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does he? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Bob is here. Would you like to 18 make an comments, Bob? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, that's Bob Reeves. 20 (Laughter.) 21 MR. REEVES: First of all, I'm humbled by your 22 appointment, Judge. But I want to point out I'm not here to 23 replace Bruce Oehler. You cannot replace somebody like Bruce 24 Oehler, not only that seat up there, but as a citizen and 25 civic-minded person of West Kerr. But I will pledge to do 4-28-14 11 1 all I can to serve Kerr County and West Kerr, so thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bob, can you cook? 3 MR. REEVES: No, that's one thing I said I couldn't 4 replace him for. Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further comments? 7 All right. Next item on the agenda is 1.2; consider, 8 discuss, and take appropriate action on the request from Paul 9 Scheineman to use Flat Rock Lake Park for a private wedding 10 on May 24th, 2014. Is Mr. Paul Scheineman here? I don't see 11 him. Maybe they canceled the wedding. Does anybody else 12 want to speak to that issue? What does the -- what do the 13 Commissioners want? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's go to Number 3. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's go to Number 3. All right. 16 1.3; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding 17 payment for EMS proposal to Burns Anderson Jury & Brenner, 18 L.L.P. And that's James Robles. Am I pronouncing that 19 right, James? 20 MR. ROBLES: Yeah. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Not the "James," the "Robles." 22 MR. ROBLES: I gave y'all a copy of the original 23 contract or the expenses that he spent on that, and I think 24 y'all are familiar with -- I know Buster is. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You see the -- may I talk 4-28-14 12 1 just for a second? I didn't mean to interrupt. 2 MR. ROBLES: No, no. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You see the letter from 4 Burns Anderson Brenner to me. In that second paragraph, he 5 says, "I realize the County initially voted to limit my fees 6 to no more than $7,500." And then the second paragraph talks 7 about what the actual final bill is. But what he's saying 8 here is that, "I will not be offended in any way if the 9 County desires not to pay the entire bill," so he's left it 10 open. You know, the guy did an incredible job, and he did 11 some things above and beyond what we initially talked about. 12 And, personally, I don't know if I want to pay his entire 13 bill, but I'd like to hit somewhere in between what we had 14 agreed upon and what his bottom line is. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And let me comment on that, 16 too. I think that Ken did a spectacular job. I didn't know 17 him when he was retained to do this, but I'm with 18 Commissioner Baldwin; he went above and beyond what he -- 19 what he agreed to do. He was always available. He spent a 20 lot of time with many of us looking through this thing, and 21 it was extremely complex. But I think the thing that 22 impressed me -- and this has to do with his bill, too. He 23 looked at it from what was the best for the City and what was 24 the best for the County combined, 'cause he did this. And I 25 think he had -- he was very unique and he had a lot of 4-28-14 13 1 experience in doing it. So, I don't know where we come down 2 on this excess of 7,500, but I'll just say he did a superb 3 job. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll comment along the same 5 lines. I think that even though we ended up not following -- 6 going out for proposal -- or I guess we went out -- didn't 7 award that; we went ahead and ended up with an arrangement, a 8 long 10-year deal with the City. I don't think we would have 9 gotten there without his -- really, his help in explaining a 10 lot of it. It was probably -- I learned more about EMS and 11 EMS contracts, both ours with the City of Kerrville and 12 contracts in general. So, I think the -- you know, it -- 13 certainly, this was not wasted money, in my mind. It was 14 very well spent. He provided us a lot of information about 15 the City of Kerrville, our current contract, what other 16 communities do, and long-term, if we go with City of 17 Kerrville, what's likely to happen, or some options and 18 things that happen there if we go with another provider. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think he was very objective, 21 too, so I think it was certainly worthwhile. Obviously, we 22 have the 7,000 -- or I guess -- 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 7,500. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 7,500, plus I think $120 in 25 expenses would be part of the original agreement. Where are 4-28-14 14 1 we, either James or our Auditor, in professional services? 2 MS. HARGIS: We have 23,000 and some change left, 3 is all. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll make a motion. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then we'll just go from 7 there. If y'all don't like it, try to throw me out and see 8 what happens. The agreement was 7,500, and his total amount 9 of bill is 12,103. So, I move that we pay him $10,000. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 12 seconded that we pay him $10,000. Is there any further 13 discussion? There being no further discussion, those in 14 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 3-0, and it passes. All 17 right. Let's go to -- 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Item 1.4; consider, 20 discuss, and take appropriate action to address the 21 possibility of prohibiting the sale or use of restricted 22 fireworks, skyrockets with sticks and missiles with fins, in 23 any portion of the unincorporated area of Kerr County 24 pursuant to Local Government Code Section 352.051 for the 25 Cinco de Mayo holiday. Okay. Well, I understand this is -- 4-28-14 15 1 this issue comes up annually, and those that have been on the 2 Commissioners Court for longer than I have are going to have 3 to give me a history of what you've done about it in the 4 past. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It comes up this time of the 6 year, and Christmas/New Year's time of the year as well, and 7 it has to be approved or not approved "X" amount of days 8 ahead of the actual holiday. And we are supposed to be able 9 to look into the crystal ball and know what the weather 10 conditions are going to be on Cinco de Mayo. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Mm-hmm. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Historically, or at least -- 13 I can only speak for myself here, but I'm not real big on 14 telling people what they can do and what they can't do. And 15 this skyrockets with sticks and missiles with fins really 16 carves this thing down to just a few firecrackers, and so I'm 17 -- I'm not willing to put a ban on it. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Mr. Moser? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I want to see what 20 Commissioner Letz says; he's been around on this, and I think 21 we just -- you haven't imposed this ban -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I mean, we've -- 23 generally, we have done this on occasion. We do it very 24 seldom, because fortunately -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Restrict it? 4-28-14 16 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Restrict it very seldom. But 2 we have done it, and we do it in periods of severe drought 3 and when the potential for grass fires is very high, and I 4 think we're in that condition right now. I think the only 5 thing that we have in our favor -- I hate to use that word, 6 but -- is it's been so dry so long, there's nothing much to 7 burn. Unless it gets into a cedar break; then it would be a 8 real problem. You know, to be honest, I don't -- do they 9 even sell fireworks for Cinco de Mayo? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have no idea. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't -- I don't recall ever 12 seeing the stands open here. And it's mostly the 4th of 13 July, we've done it on a rare occasion, and a very rare 14 occasion around New Year's. I don't recall us ever doing it 15 for Cinco de Mayo, but I don't recall them selling fireworks 16 for Cinco de Mayo. I think what Commissioner Baldwin is 17 saying, which is -- you know, it's almost -- if we do impose 18 the ban, it's more just a public awareness comment to be 19 careful, because you're restricting so few fireworks that it 20 really is somewhat meaningless from a fire standpoint. It's 21 more of a -- I think a public announcement, "Hey, it's dry; 22 be careful." That's about it, from an enforceability 23 standpoint. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. The only comment I'd 25 make, I think if you were to ask the people who -- who would 4-28-14 17 1 have to fight the fires if they happened, especially in 2 cedar, primarily the volunteer fire departments, they'd 3 probably say they'd be all for a ban on such things, 4 especially with -- with rocket-type devices; it will go a 5 long ways, and it doesn't take much to set the cedar on fire. 6 And we -- I guess this area is probably in as severe a 7 drought as anyplace in the nation that I know of. 8 California's been hollering a lot, but they whine about a lot 9 of things, and I think it's pretty bad here. I know it is on 10 my property, as far as being extremely dry. I personally -- 11 and I think, you know, since a few people were doing it, and 12 all it takes is one to create a real issue, I would 13 personally be in favor of banning such a thing. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, make your motion. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I make a motion that we -- for 16 Cinco de Mayo, that we ban skyrockets and other missile-type 17 devices and propellants that have a potential for causing 18 fires, especially in remote areas. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Skyrockets with sticks and missiles 20 with fins, specifically? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Specifically. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well -- 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second, with an addition to 25 that. I mean, I think we're basically -- we're banning 4-28-14 18 1 fireworks as allowed under Local Government Code Section 2 352.051. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. I'll accept that 4 amendment. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there further discussion? 6 I haven't said anything. I tend to agree with Commissioner 7 Letz and Commissioner Moser on this. I was here in 8 Kerrville, and in high school -- junior high school in the 9 seven-year drought starting in 1950, and graduated in '57, 10 which was the year the drought broke with a flood. And I can 11 tell you that -- and I've talked to a lot of the old-timers 12 around here -- I guess I'm one of them -- that were here 13 then, and this -- this drought we have now is -- it's as 14 severe as the 1950 drought was, and we're in a world of 15 trouble right now. A lot of people are expecting the 16 Guadalupe River to stop -- stop flowing this summer, and I 17 expect that. I drive across the bridge and look at that 18 every day, and I can tell you we're not far from that -- that 19 river stopping right now. That flow is way down, so I think 20 we need to be aware of it. And so I'm -- I agree with the 21 motion that's made. All right. Any further comments or 22 discussion? Those in favor of the motion, signify so by 23 raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 3-0. That motion passes. 4-28-14 19 1 All right. 1.5 on the agenda is consider, discuss, and take 2 appropriate action to approve a contract with Ricoh for new 3 copies in the jail -- copiers in the jail and the C.I.D. 4 office at the same rate we now pay. Sheriff Hierholzer? 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is just a renewal of a 6 contract. I was going to wait till budget time, but we're 7 having more and more maintenance issues, especially with the 8 copier in the jail, because of the amount it's used. There's 9 no budget change; it's the same exact price we're paying 10 right now. We're just swapping out the machines and starting 11 a new contract. And I would -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded for 15 approval of 1.5, to make a new contract with Ricoh for the 16 new copiers in the jail and the C.I.D. office at the same 17 rate we now pay. Is that the proper -- what the motion was 18 and second? Is there any further discussion? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- I'll just add that 20 implied with that is authority for the County Judge to sign 21 such contract. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is that agreeable? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Would that be an amendment to 24 that effect? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 4-28-14 20 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. Any further 2 discussion? There being none, those in favor of the motion, 3 signify by raising your right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-0, and that passes 6 unanimously. 7 MS. PIEPER: There's the contract for your 8 signature. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I can't do two things at one 10 time. (Laughter.) I'm one of those kind of guys. Okay, 11 we're going to go to 1.6; consider, discuss, and take 12 appropriate action to place on the November 2014 general 13 election ballot the issue of changing the state law to 14 enable, quote, "The legal sale of all alcoholic beverages, 15 including mixed beverages, in Kerr County, Precinct 2," 16 unquote. Commissioner Moser? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. Thank you, Judge. 18 I put this on the agenda just for the purpose of information. 19 I don't believe there's any action that needs to be taken, 20 even though there can be. Precinct 2, by law, is not allowed 21 to sell alcoholic beverages other than beer, and I forgot 22 exactly what that alcohol content is for beer, but can't sell 23 wine, can't sell mixed drinks. I talked to a number of 24 people in the precinct. They have no idea why it's dry. I 25 think it fell through the cracks at some earlier voting 4-28-14 21 1 process where the rest of the county was. So, a number of 2 people have asked me about it, about how to proceed, and it's 3 not a straightforward process. It's rather complex. But let 4 me just explain real quickly what it is. There has to be an 5 application requested, and the application to the County 6 Clerk is made by an individual, -- myself in this case -- 7 signed by 10 people, registered voters within the county, and 8 I have done that. It's -- public notice needs to be put in 9 the paper. That was done last Friday, and certified that 10 that's been done. That's been accomplished. The next thing 11 to do is the County Clerk issues voter petitions to get the 12 approval of 35 percent of the people in that precinct that 13 voted in the last gubernatorial election, and that was in 14 2010. So, with the Tax Assessor/Collector, that's where the 15 voter registrar activities are, so I'll ask Ms. Bolin if she 16 will establish exactly what that number is. I think it's 17 1,481 votes -- I mean, people that have to sign the petition. 18 Then that has to be done. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: That is 35 percent? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's 35 percent, as I 21 understand. But I'm going to ask Diane, as part of the -- 22 our action here, even though action is not required, ask her 23 in public to make sure that we get that, exactly what that 24 number is, and I don't think that's an issue for her. And 25 then that -- once those signatures are acquired, then they're 4-28-14 22 1 given back to Diane Bolin; she verifies that they are, in 2 fact, certified voters. She has 30 days to do that -- or 3 registered voters, I should say. She has 30 days to do that. 4 Then that comes back to Commissioners Court, and the 5 Commissioners Court approves it, then puts it on the ballot 6 for November, and that has to be done by August 18th. So, 7 there's about two months or so to get almost 1,500 8 signatures, so it's going to be a lot of work. And -- but 9 there's a lot of people that I believe want to do that, so 10 we've got the ball rolling. So, that's really all I had. I 11 just want to make other members of the Court aware of what 12 we're doing, and the public. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: So, in that procedure you just 14 described, it's not necessary for us to take any action? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Not right now, but just to 16 give you a heads-up. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: But it will be? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It will be, that's correct. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, if I can make a comment 20 on this a little bit, because this has been an issue -- 21 Commissioner Williams worked with this for years, and one of 22 the issues has always been the precinct boundaries change 23 every 10 years, so it's kind of an odd thing that -- I mean, 24 more than -- well, almost with certainty, the Precinct 2 25 boundary now is very different than the Precinct 2 boundary 4-28-14 23 1 when they were not allowed to drink, so people are -- are 2 arbitrarily, you know, almost moved from, you know, areas 3 where you can sell mixed drinks to areas you can't. And I'm 4 really amazed -- I never checked it, but that there's not 5 already problems with that, just because of the boundary -- 6 us changing the boundaries every 10 years. But anyway, it's 7 something that a lot of the residents have been much in favor 8 of. It's a daunting task to get it done. Junior Fritz, at 9 one time he tried to spearhead it through, and was trying to 10 get the signatures. You know, he just never could get it all 11 organized. And it sounds like whoever's behind it -- you 12 know, I think it's a good thing for that precinct. There's 13 lots of people that need it, and it's more the on -- it's 14 been -- it's a cumbersome process, is why I think it hasn't 15 taken place up to now. Not necessarily the desire, 16 certainly, of all that precinct. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Why do you think it's a good thing 18 for the precinct? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think people have a choice. 20 I don't think it's -- I mean it doesn't -- you know, if 21 people want to get a mixed drink, they can go into my 22 precinct or Buster's to get it, and it just seems kind of 23 ridiculous that they can't get it in the precinct they live 24 in. I just -- I'm just -- you know, that's it. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think the -- and I think -- 4-28-14 24 1 I appreciate Commissioner Letz saying that, but I think 2 there's a couple of other things, too. And -- and this is 3 not an advocate for or advocate against. It's putting it on 4 the ballot, letting the people choose. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Let them choose. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think in the recent years, 7 Camp Verde Store, for instance, has been well established, a 8 lot of improvements out there. It's a real asset for the 9 community. I think they would like to sell wine. They 10 can't. There's a discussion about Highway 173 corridor being 11 an area for vineyards and wineries, and whether or not that's 12 economically feasible, I don't know; that's to be determined. 13 But if it were to be, you couldn't have -- you couldn't sell 14 wine there, you know, by the -- in the precinct. So, it 15 would be a -- it would be a showstopper for that activity. 16 So, all this does is just enable it. People still have to 17 get their license and all, even if it's approved, so there's 18 another step beyond that. So, anyway, we are going to move 19 forward with trying -- it is a daunting task to get 1,500 20 signatures, but we'll see if we can do it. So, that's it. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Baldwin? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I just know that 23 it's not my job to impose what I believe one way or the 24 other, but it is my job to see that the citizens have the 25 opportunity to vote up or down, and I would certainly 4-28-14 25 1 participate. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: I agree. Let them vote, decide 3 what they want to do. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Exactly right. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Exactly. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: No action to be taken at this time? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No action. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll next go to 1.7 on 9 the agenda -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, 10 o'clock. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: 10 o'clock, isn't it? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're done, other than 13 executive. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: We're done until then? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Could go back to 1.2. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Want to go back to 1.2 about 17 something? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A guy walked in; it might be 19 him. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Did Paul Scheineman come in? 21 (No response.) 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Wasn't him. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Maybe they eloped. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 4-28-14 26 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think they eloped. 2 (Laughter.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Well, then, I guess what we 4 can do is go down to executive session and declare an 5 executive session, and take that time up there, and then come 6 back into the regular session and pick up on 1.7. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that agreeable? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, that will be fine. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. At this time, there 11 will be an executive session. The Commissioners Court will 12 have an executive session in accordance with Section 551.071, 13 551.072 and 551.073, 551.074, 551.078, .0785, and 551.076, as 14 well as 551.087 of Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code. 15 (Discussion off the record.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: We need to call Items 1.10, 11, and 17 12 of the agenda for consideration during that time. 18 MS. STEBBINS: I'd like for Jeannie to stay for my 19 first item. 20 (The open session was closed at 9:33 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 21 is contained in a separate document.) 22 - - - - - - - - - - 23 (Open session was reopened at 10:37 a.m.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I'll declare that the open 25 session is back in session. We're recessed the executive 4-28-14 27 1 session, and we ran into some scheduling problems there, so 2 we recessed that and we're coming back into open session to 3 take care of those matters, and then we probably will go back 4 into executive session again after this. And as I -- just 5 looking at the agenda here, Item 1.7 was something we were 6 going to consider at 10 o'clock. It's too late now. 7 Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to open 8 responses to Request for Proposal or bids for the Exhibit 9 Hall at the Hill Country Youth Exhibit Center and refer for 10 evaluation and recommendations, and award as appropriate. 11 Now, Jody indicated that I'm in charge of that one. Are 12 there any bids? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, here's a stack of them. 14 And our usual -- I'll open them and hand them to you, and you 15 can read them -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- briefly into the record. We 18 need the total amount, if we can figure it out where it is, 19 and who it's from. That's usually -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. This one is from Huser 21 Construction Company, Inc. Total stipulated sum, base bid -- 22 where's the -- okay, $3,298,000. Add Alternate 1 for 23 catering in addition to show barn at 246,000. Add Alternate 24 Number 2, stone veneer, 30,000. Add Alternate Number 3, 25 suspend operable wall, 54,000. Alternate Number 4, stained 4-28-14 28 1 floors, another 64,000. I hope I've read that right. I'm 2 going to put it back in the envelope so we don't get it 3 confused. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Here, I'll do that. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Commissioner Letz, where do 6 those alternates come from? I mean, who -- how is it decided 7 that we may or may not put a rock veneer on a wall? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think those probably -- when 9 we were going through the final plans, they were on the final 10 drawings, and I think that the architect went through and 11 figured out some things that, if we needed to cut costs, and 12 did them as alternates. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So it's his fault? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: His fault. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just the option, the 16 flexibility. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. This next bid is from 18 Stoddard, S-t-o-d-d-a-r-d, Construction Management, Inc., and 19 they're from Bulverde, Texas. And their bid appears to be, 20 base bid, 3,660,000. Alternate Number 1, an additional 21 220,000. Alternate Number 2, an additional $28,620. 22 Alternate Number 3, an additional $61,500, and Alternate 23 Number 4 is an additional $51,000. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And those things are over 25 and above the base 3 million? 4-28-14 29 1 MR. LEWIS: Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the way I understand it. 4 Make sure I read that right. All right. This one is from 5 Workman Commercial Construction Services, Limited, in Austin 6 Texas. And their bid is -- base bid is $3,900,000. For 7 Alternate Number one, which is, once again, catering addition 8 in the show barn, an additional $241,000. Alternate Number 2 9 is the stone veneer, an additional $25,600. Alternate Number 10 3, suspend operable wall, an additional $62,500, and 11 Alternate Number 4, stained floors, an additional $31,000. 12 And this is the fourth. We have five bids, or six, maybe? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two more. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Two more? All right. This one is 15 from, looks like, R.M. Rodriguez Construction, L.P., from 16 Temple, Texas. Their base bid is $3,690,000. Alternate 17 Number 1, the catering addition in the show barn, is an 18 additional 354,000. Alternate Number 2, stone veneer, is an 19 additional 30,000. Alternate Number 3, suspend operable 20 wall, 127,400, and Alternate Number 4, the stained floors, 21 $69,000. 22 This one is from Davila Construction, Inc., in San 23 Antonio, Texas. Their base bid is 3 million, 560 -- 24 $3,569,000, with Alternate Number 1, the catering addition, 25 an additional 250,000. The stone veneer, Alternate Number 2, 4-28-14 30 1 an additional 28,000. Alternate Number 3 is an additional 2 55,000; that was the suspended operating wall. Then there's 3 the stained floors, Alternate Number 4, an additional 4 $31,000. 5 This is the next to the last bid. This one is from 6 Journeyman, J-o-u-r-n-e-y-m-a-n, Construction, Inc., from 7 Austin, Texas. Their base bid is 3 million, 442 -- 42,500 8 dollars. Alternate Number 1, catering addition, $282,000. 9 Alternate Number 2, the stone veneer, $28,000. The suspended 10 operable wall, which is Alternate 3, would be an additional 11 $63,000. And Alternate Number 4, the stained floors, would 12 be $34,500. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. That was that one. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, that was that one. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's the last one. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, I guess that was 17 the last one. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I'll make a motion that 21 we accept all bids and refer them to the architect for 22 recommendation. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that we 25 accept all the bids and move them to the architect for -- 4-28-14 31 1 county's architect for comment and recommendations. Is there 2 any further discussion? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I would assume that he'll be 4 back with the -- next meeting? 5 MR. LEWIS: Yes, certainly. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tomorrow night, or what? 7 MR. LEWIS: And with the Court's permission, I 8 would consult with Commissioner Letz and talk about -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And could we also include the 10 County Engineer on that? 11 MR. LEWIS: Sure. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 13 MR. LEWIS: And the reason I said just Commissioner 14 Letz is that, other than Commissioner Oehler, he has been the 15 common thread. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure, right. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any further 18 discussion? There being none, those in favor of the motion, 19 signify by raising your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 3-0. It's unanimous, and 22 that passes. All right. Now we go to 1.8; consider, 23 discuss, and take appropriate action on request for use of 24 the polo field at Hill Country Youth Event Center or Flat 25 Rock Park for a Christian Youth Rally. Mr. Doug Landrum. Is 4-28-14 32 1 he here? 2 MR. LANDRUM: Yes, sir. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Would you please step to the 4 podium, sir? Sorry for making you wait for a while. 5 MR. LANDRUM: Oh, that's fine. No problem. We -- 6 I'm with Christian Partners International. What we'd like to 7 do is put on a city-wide youth rally, and we want to invite 8 all the churches and stuff, but we want to bring in some 9 bands and stuff, and we'd like to have all the local bands -- 10 Christian bands and stuff participate in this. And it's 11 going to be free, open to the public, and we'd like to have 12 it on September 6th, if possible. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Has anybody asked Jody if there's a 14 conflict with that date? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have not. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, at Flat Rock, I 17 wouldn't think there's a conflict. But, I mean, we won't 18 close the park. Or this says polo field, but he's a -- 19 he's -- is it polo field or Flat Rock? I mean, I see both on 20 here. 21 MR. LANDRUM: Either one. Either one we can get 22 permission to use. It doesn't matter to us. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If you do it at Flat Rock, you 24 know, you can kind of -- you're welcome to do it. It's open 25 to the public, but we won't shut the park down. 4-28-14 33 1 MR. LANDRUM: We don't want you to shut the park 2 down. We want it open, because there's not going to be a 3 charge to go to this; it's going to be free. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No action required. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- and we can go ahead 6 and -- you know, I don't know that we require action, but we 7 can go ahead and do -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it would be appropriate. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I wanted to ask you, though, 11 who are you associated with? 12 MR. LANDRUM: Christian Partners International. 13 It's a missionary organization out of San Antonio. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Are you from San Antonio? 15 MR. LANDRUM: No, sir, I'm from here in Kerrville. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How many people would you 18 anticipate? Do you have any idea? 19 MR. LANDRUM: I'm hoping around 500 or better. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wow. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We -- you know, we do not have 22 port-a-potties down there. 23 MR. LANDRUM: We'll put those down there. Anything 24 that we need, we'll furnish it. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Are you the only member up here in 4-28-14 34 1 Kerr County, or are there other members? 2 MR. LANDRUM: No, there's some other members here 3 too. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: How many of them? How many of you 5 folks are there up here? 6 MR. LANDRUM: Right now, it's just me and my 7 sister. My sister's the treasurer, and I'm the assistant 8 treasurer of the organization and stuff. And I go to Living 9 Waters Church out here. But this is not being backed by any 10 churches; it's being backed by a Christian organization, 11 because we don't want to cause a conflict between churches. 12 But it's open to all churches to come; it doesn't matter what 13 denomination you are. Anybody can come to this. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: I have a question of Tim. How 15 about the cleanup situation? Tim? 16 MR. BOLLIER: Well, that's something -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you have any comments about 18 that? 19 MR. BOLLIER: I do have some comments, but I'll 20 save them for at the end. I'll go ahead and make them now, I 21 guess. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is the end. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Back during Easter Sunday, we had a 24 group down there. They did not leave the park the way they 25 left it. We picked up a great deal of trash. 4-28-14 35 1 JUDGE POLLARD: How much? 2 MR. BOLLIER: 88 bags, to be exact. It took us all 3 day. It was B.J. and the boys, as we call them. That's -- 4 that's three trustees and B.J. And if you -- if it would 5 have been my boys, it would be an average of $15 an hour, so 6 if you take 15 times -- times 8, you come up with $120. 7 That's $360 worth of -- of -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Employee labor to clean up. 9 MR. BOLLIER: -- employee labor, and that's not 10 counting the $50 to $75 worth of trash bags we used, plus 11 taking it to the dump. So, I honestly think that -- that I 12 recommend -- I don't think. I recommend that we need to 13 charge some kind of cleanup fee down there in the park after 14 these kind of events, because after all, they are getting the 15 park for free. It's not costing them anything to be there. 16 So, I think that we need to charge some kind of cleanup fee, 17 and I'd like to see that cleanup fee at least $350 to $400. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's our criteria? If one 19 person goes down, we don't charge them; if 500 comes down, we 20 do. So, what's the -- what's our strategy? What is our 21 policy? 22 MR. BOLLIER: Our policy is we don't charge 23 anything now. Never have. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm saying if we're going to 25 say we need to charge, -- 4-28-14 36 1 MR. BOLLIER: But we do not charge. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- we need to have a policy. 3 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. Well, I have an argument there 4 for you. We do charge a cleanup fee at the Ag Barn when we 5 have events there at the Ag Barn. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't -- Mr. Moser's not 7 saying he doesn't want to charge; he's saying how do we 8 decide? 9 MR. BOLLIER: We've never charged anything, 10 Commissioner. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I know, but I'm -- I 12 understand that. So, what's our policy? What would you 13 recommend? 14 MR. LANDRUM: Could I make a suggestion? What if 15 we put up a deposit, and we will clean up the park when we're 16 done. If it's not left like it is, then you can keep the 17 deposit, and we put up $400. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fair. 19 MR. BOLLIER: That's what we do for the barn. 20 MR. LANDRUM: I mean, if we clean it up, then we 21 get our $400 back. Would that be fair? 22 MR. BOLLIER: Yes. 23 MS. STEBBINS: I think Jody said the deposit was 24 $300. I talked to her last Friday -- Thursday or Friday, 25 about another event that's going on in a couple of weeks, and 4-28-14 37 1 that's the request. So, there's a $300 deposit required for 2 cleanup. 3 MR. BOLLIER: Yes. 4 MS. STEBBINS: Please put that in that contract. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The duck race just happened 6 there this weekend, and so did we require a deposit -- 7 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- for them? 9 MR. BOLLIER: The $300 -- we require a $300 deposit 10 for cleanup at the Ag Barn. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is not the Ag Barn. 12 MR. BOLLIER: That's right. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't charge at Flat Rock 14 generally. But the -- the issue, I guess, at Flat Rock is 15 kind of a unique thing. If it's just a group going down 16 there, it's public. If it's going to be an event -- I mean, 17 it kind of depends on what the events are. If you have to 18 have porta-potties, if you have to have lights, if you need 19 electricity -- it depends. It's kind of -- we probably need 20 to know more exactly what you need, from the standpoint of 21 are you going to need electricity? 22 MR. LANDRUM: I have generators. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, all you need -- you're not 24 going -- 25 MR. LANDRUM: All I need is just the park. 4-28-14 38 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just need the space. 2 MR. LANDRUM: I just need the space, is all I need. 3 MR. BOLLIER: There is electricity down in the 4 park. I heard you say bands. I don't know if you're going 5 to have -- if you're going to need electric. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He says he doesn't need -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He said all he needs is the 8 park. 9 MR. LANDRUM: All I need is the park. 10 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 11 MR. LANDRUM: I just need a place to have this. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we still got the cleanup 13 issue. I think -- I think we need to have a unified policy 14 for a deposit for cleanup, and I don't think it's as clear as 15 just saying, say, a $400 deposit, and if it's not cleaned up 16 as good as we want, then they don't get it back. What if 17 it's halfway cleaned up, you know? And we don't spend much 18 time on it. 19 MR. LANDRUM: If it's halfway cleaned up, we 20 forfeit the deposit. You can keep the whole deposit. I 21 mean, it's got to be back to the way that we -- it was when 22 we walked into it, period. I mean, no ifs or ands. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I think you made a good suggestion, 24 and I think we ought to make that our unified policy, and it 25 ought to be -- you think at 300? 4-28-14 39 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, because that's what we 2 charge at other places. 3 MR. BOLLIER: We -- yes, we charge -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Or do you think it ought to be $400 5 at the other place too? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: And I'm just suggesting. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fine. I don't care 9 what the number is. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: There has to be some way to 11 delineate between a family gathering, going down there for a 12 little family reunion or something, and an event. So, we got 13 to figure out some way, because we don't want to charge for 14 the general use of that park down there. But if there's an 15 event of some kind, how do we determine that? Should it say 16 that if it's a sponsored event where it's -- where they're 17 expecting more than 100 people? A hundred people or more? 18 Is that the way -- would that be a way to draw the line? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll make a motion, okay? 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I make a motion that we 22 approve the request for the use of Flat Rock Park for the 23 Christian Youth Rally on September the 6th, and with that, 24 that a deposit consistent with that that we use at the Ag 25 Barn of $300 be used. And I don't know if I can make this 4-28-14 40 1 motion or not, because it's not on the agenda, is that we 2 establish a policy henceforth -- can't do that? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can't do that. Go back to 4 where you were. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Forget that last 6 statement. So, we approve that for this time, and we'll -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll second. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- put it on the agenda for 9 the future. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll second, but then I may 11 have a slight amendment. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure, go ahead. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Discussion? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we ought to -- this is 15 September 6th. I think we need to have an update about a 16 month in advance, and there may be some changes if -- if you 17 anticipate there may be 1,000 people, or -- and we -- I mean, 18 the size greatly mandates what we need to do from the 19 standpoint of whether we're going to require porta-potties 20 there or not. Probably -- I would say that we probably need 21 to, even with 500, 'cause there's no restroom facilities 22 there. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He's going to -- he's going to 24 provide them. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think we need to put that 4-28-14 41 1 in the -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. Got you. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And -- but I think we still 4 need an update ahead of time, because some events, if they're 5 large -- I see your hand, Tim. Some events that are large, 6 we require law enforcement to be there, and for traffic 7 control. So, we'd have to have a little bit better idea 8 closer to it, and there may be some other requirements based 9 on how -- we need to see how the event's shaping up. 10 MR. LANDRUM: Well, I think the amount of people is 11 going to be -- depends on what band that we reserve. I mean, 12 right now we're in the process of trying to get Mercy Me to 13 come in. And if somebody like that comes in, then there's 14 probably going to be -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 10,000. 16 MR. LANDRUM: There's going to be a lot of people 17 there. 18 MR. BOLLIER: Could be more than that. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maybe we need -- 60 days ahead 20 of time, we need to -- I mean, it depends a lot -- there's a 21 whole lot of -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Probably a good idea. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- difference between 200 or 24 300 people and 1,000 people. A whole lot of difference on 25 what we're going to require. 4-28-14 42 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He's talking about a really 2 big-time deal now. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. So -- but if we can add 4 to the motion -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the requirement for definite 7 port-a-potties and the need to come back -- how about just 8 say require you to come back 60 days before the event, and 9 we'll add additional requirements based on -- 10 MR. LANDRUM: That's fine. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- how things are looking? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is this whole thing 13 contingent on September 6th being open? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, contingent on it being 15 open. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Right next door. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: She's not here today. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: She's not here today. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 23 you have the use of the polo field -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: No, Flat Rock Park for the 4-28-14 43 1 Christian Youth Rally on September the 6th, providing that 2 you agree to place a deposit of -- was it $300? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 300, yeah. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Cleanup deposit of $300, with the 5 understanding that if it's not cleaned up according to 6 Mr. Bollier's standards down there, that that will be 7 forfeited. That deposit will be forfeited. And that you -- 8 included in this, it will be presumed that you furnish your 9 own port-a-potties at your expense. Is that correct? 10 MR. LANDRUM: Correct. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there anything else 12 that should be added to that motion? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 60 days prior to the event. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: And that 60 days prior to the 15 event, there be an update. He'll contact who? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be here. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Come to Commissioners Court. 18 MR. BOLLIER: May need a court order. Depends on 19 how many people you get. 20 MR. LANDRUM: Okay. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Depending -- and let us know what 22 the size of crowd is anticipated at that time. 23 MR. LANDRUM: We will. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: And there may be some 25 modifications. 4-28-14 44 1 MR. LANDRUM: I will. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. That's the motion that's 3 been moved and seconded. Any further discussion? Those in 4 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-0; it's unanimous. It 7 passes. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. 9 MR. LANDRUM: Okay. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, sir. All right, 1.9; 11 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to finalize 12 the layout for addition to the Kerr County war memorial. 13 Maggie Baker and Commissioner Letz. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I put this on the agenda based 15 on our last meeting, and we said we were getting some more 16 details. Come on up, Maggie. And the two issues were -- 17 what the three issues were, really, is where we were with the 18 money and that part of it, what's it's going to cost, and 19 what would the final design look like? And then the issue 20 on -- we had voted to include three names that were 21 recommended to us by the committee, to add them, but there 22 was some discussion about the appropriate headings for those 23 wars. So -- 24 MS. BAKER: Good morning. Would you like me to 25 just go ahead and read the entire report, then? Everything 4-28-14 45 1 from last time? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure. 3 MS. BAKER: Okay. This is the report on the 4 granite memorial monument. I spoke with Mr. Sidney Zirkel of 5 Hill Country Monuments on Friday, April 11, 2014, as well as 6 another meeting with him and Gary Noller on the 22nd of 7 April. I now have an update on the status of the memorial 8 monument for the lawn of the Kerr County Courthouse. 9 Mr. Zirkel said he was waiting on the exact names of the 10 wars; O.I.F./O.E.F., Operation Iraqi Freedom/Operation 11 Enduring Freedom, and the number of letters of the soldiers' 12 names. I told Commissioner Letz I would check on these. 13 Mr. Zirkel needs to know if the names should be smaller than 14 the letters of the names of the wars. He mentioned that he 15 and Judge Tinley did discuss that there should be two pieces 16 of granite, one on each side, to make symmetrical to the 17 existing stones. 18 He stated that he and Judge Tinley had estimated 19 the size of the stones to be the height of 6 foot, 8 inches; 20 the width, 2 feet, 2 inches; thickness, 10 inches. And there 21 would be a sub-base of 2 feet, one-half inch, by 1 foot, 1 22 inch, by 6 1/8th inch height to be put next to the existing 23 stone. They also decided to use the gray granite from 24 Georgia because of the cost comparison to using black granite 25 from Africa. The advisory committee made a recommendation of 4-28-14 46 1 gray with one panel. The price of the black granite has gone 2 up 50 percent to the estimated price of $15,000. The gray 3 panels have gone up 15 percent to the estimated price of 4 $4,000. I received an e-mail from Jody on the amount of 5 money in the account for the memorial, and that amount is 6 $14,528.67. In order to get the black panels, as Judge 7 Pollard thinks will complement the memorial better, we would 8 need to go back to the public and ask for the remaining 9 donations. The remaining donations would need to be 10 approximately $3,200. 11 Judge Pollard stated that we could go to the press 12 and the newspapers and radio, and asked if I would take care 13 of that. The existing gray -- excuse me, the existing gray 14 granite panels on the lawn are from the same company where 15 the new panels would be purchased, Atex Granite out of 16 Elberton, Georgia, and the black granite will come out of 17 Africa. Whatever the concession of Judge Pollard and the 18 Commissioners, we would need to get the information to 19 Mr. Zirkel in order to keep the same prices. Mr. Zirkel did 20 say he needs to update the prices because of the time since 21 the last meeting and the price quote. Once the Commissioners 22 have agreed on the names, number of letters for names of wars 23 and individual names, the number of pieces of stone, and gray 24 versus black granite, he could get everything ordered. It 25 could possibly take up to six months to get everything done, 4-28-14 47 1 but there is a good possibility that everything could be 2 completed by Veterans Day. 3 Along with Judge Tinley and Mr. Zirkel, there were 4 two original committees who set this new memorial project in 5 progress, consisting of Mr. Jack Stevens, Mr. Michael Bolin, 6 and Ms. Kathy Walker of the Kerr County War Memorial 7 Committee and the Hill Country Veterans Alliance, Kerrville; 8 Gary Noller, AMVETS; Maria Martinez, Women's Veterans 9 Coalition; Bill Cantrell, AMVETS; Sherrell Eckstein, American 10 Legion; Vicki Marsh, Women's Coalition -- excuse me, Women's 11 Veterans Coalition; and Bill Bacon, Military Order of the 12 Purple Heart. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Bottom line is, of the donated 14 moneys still on hand, $14,500, we're short about $3,200 from 15 having enough money to put the black panels in there -- 16 MS. BAKER: Yes, sir. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: -- on the side so they'll contrast. 18 The middle panel is black out there, and then the other two 19 are lighter colored. And black granite is a lot more 20 expensive, and it's gone up a lot since we started this 21 thing, so I guess it's a good reason to kind of get this 22 thing done, because it's going to keep going up, and we might 23 as well get it done. And you -- you indicated to me when we 24 visited about it that you felt sure that it would be real 25 easy to raise the additional $3,200 by the publicity; is that 4-28-14 48 1 correct? 2 MS. BAKER: Yes, sir. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: You're confident that that can 4 happen? 5 MS. BAKER: Yes. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: 'Cause my next comment was -- to 7 you just before that was, "Well, if we haven't got the money, 8 we can't do it." And -- but you're pretty sure we can get 9 it? 10 MS. BAKER: Yes. Kerr County, when it comes to 11 something veterans, they're there to help. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- I mean, I agree. 13 Clearly, it is a lot more money, but we've -- the veterans 14 raised 14,000, which is far more than the gray would cost, so 15 I think it's -- the extra push to get to the black certainly 16 would look the best, so I'm in favor of doing that, as long 17 as we can get it done in a relatively short period of time. 18 I visited with Peter Lewis a little bit about this, just from 19 a design standpoint, and the -- if you can visualize just the 20 current memorial, the names are on the gray, and then on the 21 black piece in the middle, I believe it's the Kerr County 22 seal, followed by all of the armed services, five seals below 23 that. I think it just says "Kerr County War Memorial" on 24 top. It would be probably appropriate, in my mind -- and I 25 think Peter agrees with this -- to put the Kerr County seal 4-28-14 49 1 on the top of both of those black granite things so there's 2 something on both of them, because we're adding three names. 3 The last thing is you came up with the two designated war 4 names, Operation Iraqi Freedom -- 5 MS. BAKER: Operation -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Enduring? 7 MS. BAKER: -- Enduring Freedom. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Enduring Freedom. There's an 9 editorial in the paper that said we just should ask the war 10 -- ask some of the veterans who served in the war, which I 11 thought was a good idea. I took the opportunity to ask our 12 County Attorney's husband, and he thought that either of 13 those names were appropriate, but he also thought that the 14 term "Global War on Terror" was appropriate. As he says, a 15 lot of the medals -- and I guess medals that are being handed 16 out to these veterans that served in both theaters, that's 17 what they're -- I guess Department of Defense is kind of 18 grouping it together as that, according to what Michael told 19 me. So -- but he also said he knows that we can use one or 20 two. If you use two, it would be Operation Enduring Freedom 21 and Operation Iraqi Freedom, or combine them as one, Global 22 War on Terror. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm in favor of combining them 24 as -- you know, as one. Because if this continues, okay, we 25 don't want to lock ourselves in by having to change names 4-28-14 50 1 again. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So -- or you can put the Global 3 War on Terrorism and both names. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I'm saying. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then you could also put in 6 Operation -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's fine. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You can do, I mean, a 9 combination of the two. You can put "Global War on Terror" 10 and then "Operation Iraqi Freedom" and "Operation Enduring 11 Freedom." 12 JUDGE POLLARD: That sounds like the right way to 13 do it, to me. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: And then if we have another one for 16 Ethiopia or something like that, we can put another -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There you go. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: "Enduring Freedom - Ethiopia." 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I like -- kind of like using 20 the Global War on Terrorism and the two names, personally. I 21 think it kind of explains the whole situation. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it also recognizes 24 both. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Seemed like there was some 4-28-14 51 1 question, should the letters for the name of the war be 2 larger than the names of the person? And that -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: How is it on the original monument? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Why not just follow 5 what's already on there? 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Whatever that is, follow that. 7 MS. BAKER: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I believe they are -- the names 9 of the wars are larger, is my recollection. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Seems right. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that, you know, 12 Mr. Zirkel -- I think we want to make sure that we don't -- 13 we will need room in case someone else gets nominated that 14 qualifies under either of these wars. I mean, I think seven 15 were nominated and three qualified, as I recall. There could 16 be someone that gets nominated that could qualify. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, do we need to bring this 18 back with how things are going to appear? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it will probably be 20 best, so there's no confusion. If you can have Mr. Zirkel 21 possibly, I think, you know, draw up a rendering so we'd be 22 approving an exact rendering with dimensions on it? 23 MS. BAKER: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You could even put -- you know, 25 they can put the names, the Kerr County seal, exactly how it 4-28-14 52 1 would be laid out. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what we should do. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think the black on the 4 outside is really -- that's really going to look good. It's 5 going to look good. And you have -- and the thing will be 6 6 foot, 8, I understand. Is that what I understood the size 7 is? 8 MS. BAKER: Yes. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 6 foot, 8. So, that's a lot 10 of room. And with your county seal on the top, you still 11 have plenty of room to -- 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Add other wars. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, absolutely. I think 14 that's a good idea. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When you bring the rendering 16 back, you can bring us an update on the donations. 17 MS. BAKER: Okay. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: And then I would hope at that time, 19 take action. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Because I don't want it to keep 22 going up on us. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, no kidding. 24 MS. BAKER: Mr. Zirkel stated -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: This thing has drug out for a long 4-28-14 53 1 time. We need to get this done. 2 MS. BAKER: Mr. Zirkel stated that within the next 3 six months, if that's -- you know, if he can get it done by 4 then, he said he doesn't think the prices are going to go up 5 at all. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it would be -- I know 7 there's some discussion I have had with Ms. Baker; it would 8 be really great if we could have this done by Veterans Day. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So we can do it at Veterans 11 Day, kind of the unveiling, so to speak. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Maggie. 13 MS. BAKER: Thank you. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. We had one open item, 17 didn't we? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Which one? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 1.2, Mr. Scheineman. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Scheineman? Still not here? 22 MS. HARGIS: No, he's here. 23 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Hello. How are y'all this 24 morning? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It still is. 4-28-14 54 1 MR. SCHEINEMAN: I need one more cup of coffee. My 2 name is Paul Scheineman. This is Pamela Nichols. We would 3 like to present to you this morning an agenda for -- which 4 would be on the Saturday -- weekend of the Saturday, the 5 23rd, 24th, or 25th -- actually, it would be Saturday, the 6 24th. What we'd like to do is -- 7 MS. NICHOLS: We rented the Freedom Hall, and we 8 would like part of the park behind it. 9 MR. SCHEINEMAN: We rented the Freedom Hall for 10 part of a dance. We want to hold a wedding reception, and we 11 want to hold the wedding down in the park, basically. The 12 people that I work with are from San Antonio Living History 13 Association, some of them from Alamo Society, higher-up 14 groups like that. This has been the plan in making for a 15 little while now. Actually, the agenda here would be for 16 Friday evening -- 17 MS. NICHOLS: To set up there. 18 MR. SCHEINEMAN: -- Friday evening, which is setup 19 for the dance at the Freedom Hall, 'cause we rented the 20 Freedom Hall for a dance. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: But that's setup at the Freedom 22 Hall. 23 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, sir. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: It's not in Flat Rock. 25 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Not in Flat Rock. 4-28-14 55 1 JUDGE POLLARD: What are you going to do down in 2 Flat Rock? 3 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Flat Rock, we would like to have 4 our wedding ceremony underneath the trees at Flat Rock near 5 the river. We have a lot of different types of -- entourage 6 of people coming, from film actors to -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: How many folks do you anticipate 8 attending? 9 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Maybe 100. These would be people 10 from -- people from the past. 11 MS. NICHOLS: We have these theme people that are 12 going to show up. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Who are those people? Is it 14 a movie set? 15 MR. SCHEINEMAN: It's not a movie set -- well, 16 although it may be -- it's 1836 to 1880, the theme. And I 17 work with a lot of different people from the past in films, 18 music videos, reenactor groups. I work with the Alamo 19 Society every year. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Cool. 21 MR. SCHEINEMAN: We're not kind of -- we're kind of 22 curious as to how many people are going to come right now, 23 because we're not quite sure, although I have a lot of people 24 that I've worked with in the past. We would like to see if 25 we could possibly use the park to set up a canopy near the 4-28-14 56 1 river to have this, just a private ceremony for that. 2 Although the snitch here is, I have the Bandera Cattle 3 Company, who are friends of mine; they would like to come in 4 and do an event for us. They're very well-known in Bandera 5 County over there, Tommy Knotts and Paul Ingenhuett. I've 6 worked with these guys before. They have their own little 7 town. They'd like to come in and set up a small town down 8 there, and have two skits, one in the morning of Saturday, 9 and one in the afternoon of Saturday. And, basically, people 10 will be showing up Friday evening, although we know they 11 can't stay in the park, so we have permission to let them 12 stay right there at the Freedom Hall and the grounds that we 13 have. Also, we have the barbecuers coming in. Saturday 14 would be the -- the day we would be married; it would be in 15 the evening. There may be some possible reenactments set up 16 right there beside the American Foreign Legion Hall. We've 17 already gotten permission, if possible. Saturday morning 18 would be one of the shootouts. They do carry their own 19 insurance. We -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me interrupt you. Why 21 don't you separate the park programs from the stuff you're 22 doing at Freedom Hall? 23 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Okay. Freedom Hall's actually -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We don't have anything to say 25 about that, so what you do there is cool, okay? 4-28-14 57 1 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Tell us about the Flat Rock 3 Park needs. 4 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Flat Rock Park, we would -- we'd 5 like to get married under the trees out there by the park, 6 and under a small canopy. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: But there's going to be a canopy 8 down there, you say? 9 MR. SCHEINEMAN: There'll be a small canopy and an 10 archway that we've managed to come up with. And -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: But the barbecuers are not going to 12 be down there; they're going to be at Freedom Hall? 13 MR. SCHEINEMAN: They're going to be at Freedom 14 Hall. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other activities -- setup and 16 takedown there in the park? 17 MR. SCHEINEMAN: The little town with the Bandera 18 gunfighters. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The town? 20 MS. NICHOLS: They have a little town that they -- 21 they can assemble. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Three or four storefronts? 23 Or does it look like Arkey Blue, or what does it look like? 24 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Basically, here's what it would 25 look like. These are the guys here; they're good friends of 4-28-14 58 1 mine. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess the question, is this a 3 -- a wedding for a specific person? Or a -- 4 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, us. We're getting married. 5 MS. NICHOLS: Us two. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Y'all are getting married? 7 MS. NICHOLS: They're just going to do a little 8 skit. They have -- 9 MR. SCHEINEMAN: I have a lot of friends in town. 10 There's a lot of people that I'm involved with over the past 11 40 years due to films and reenactment. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, I'm getting the picture. 13 You're doing a theme wedding. 14 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, sir. 15 MS. NICHOLS: Right. They will be shooting blanks, 16 of course. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And they're setting up a 18 town, and there's going to be a shootout. Shootout in 19 Chinatown. 20 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you get killed, or does she get 22 killed? 23 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Well, last time I got shot in the 24 back. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: You got shot? 4-28-14 59 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, it's the white horse 2 riding off in the sunset; that's what it is. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is the only thing you're 4 looking at in Flat Rock is the actual ceremony? 5 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, sir, and the little gun 6 shootout. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Little gun shootout? 8 MR. SCHEINEMAN: I think that some of the people 9 will show up. Y'all might want to come and watch it too, 10 possibly, as we go through it. They're very organized. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm still trying to -- still 12 trying to get what you want. 13 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Well, we just -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me ask my question. 15 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, you want -- if the two of 17 you are wanting to get married, you can go down there anytime 18 and go do it, okay? 19 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, sir. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's open. So, if you're 21 having 100 people, that's -- you know, then we ask about 22 cleanup. 23 MR. SCHEINEMAN: We -- and the people that I work 24 with, they're very reliable, and when Paul puts his foot 25 down, it's time to clean the place up Saturday -- Sunday 4-28-14 60 1 morning, we'll make sure that everything gets cleaned up. 2 There will be not a piece of litter anywhere to be seen. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: We just had somebody in here with 4 the same question that came up, and they agreed to put up a 5 deposit -- cleanup deposit. And what was it? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 300. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: $300. 8 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, sir. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: And if that place isn't cleaned up 10 according to -- this is the man that goes down and judges 11 whether it's cleaned up or not, and if he -- if it's not 12 cleaned up according to his standards down there, your $300 13 gets forfeited. 14 MS. NICHOLS: Right. And the same thing with the 15 Freedom Hall. We've already put a deposit on there. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We don't care about Freedom 17 Hall. 18 MS. NICHOLS: The cleanup is -- we'll do it the 19 same day, which would be the next morning, Sunday. 20 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Personally, I have friends that 21 take care of all this, and if it's -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can you put up a $300 deposit 23 for cleanup? 24 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 4-28-14 61 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- I have no 2 problem at all with the ceremony at the park. My preference 3 would be if you can move the town and the shootout up to the 4 Freedom Hall, and just have the ceremony itself. Is that 5 conceivable, to just have the ceremony down in the park? 6 MR. SCHEINEMAN: That's -- if they could have 7 the -- I haven't spoken to Tommy Knotts, who's the owner, yet 8 as far as where to put it. I told him I had to come to 9 Commissioner's Court first. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How big is the town -- this 11 town? How many storefronts? 12 MR. SCHEINEMAN: We have -- it's a small town. 13 It's nothing elaborate. 14 MS. NICHOLS: Yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Both sides of the street? 16 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, it will be in a round circle. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Round circle? 18 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Nobody's allowed to go in within 19 the area of the shooting times. There will be public 20 watching. I just -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: You don't just set that on the 22 ground; there's got to be some way to attach it to the ground 23 and stakes and things like that, right? 24 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, I think it's all latched 25 together. If I had Facebook, you could really see it. It's 4-28-14 62 1 a pretty nice little town. They worked on this for a while. 2 MS. NICHOLS: I don't think they're going to bring 3 the whole town, just -- 4 MR. SCHEINEMAN: We want to make sure we cover all 5 the bases, so none of the police or -- 6 MS. NICHOLS: Yes. 7 MR. SCHEINEMAN: -- sheriffs start showing up with 8 helicopters, so to speak. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I go back to what I 10 said; my preference would be to have the town up by the 11 Freedom Hall. There's quite a bit of area up there. Just 12 because I'm kind of unsure of that part. And the ceremony, I 13 don't have a big problem with, as long as you put up a 14 cleaning deposit. 15 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Okay. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just -- the park is not going 17 to be closed again, correct? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be open. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The park is still open to the 20 public. 21 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Well, that would be fine. Well, 22 if we did -- were able to put it down there right by -- the 23 town against the back side of the Freedom Hall, when you walk 24 down -- we actually wanted to walk down to the ceremony to 25 get married. But if you set the town a little bit further, I 4-28-14 63 1 have no qualms about people wanting to watch this, because 2 there will be two shootouts during the day. It will be all 3 organized. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Up on the Freedom Hall property, 5 they can go up and watch it there anytime they want to. 6 They're free to do that. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: We're just concerned about the 9 damage to the land down there with the setup on that -- in 10 that town. 11 MR. SCHEINEMAN: I can assure you, if there's any 12 damage, we will take care of it. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I think the -- you know, 14 but we've got to be clear that, like Commissioner Moser said, 15 the park will be open to the public, so -- and the road's 16 going to be open. So, I mean, you're welcome to walk across 17 the road from Freedom Hall down to the park, but we're not 18 stopping the traffic. 19 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Right. Great, that's all we were 20 asking for. We're just going to put the canopy up down below 21 so that people can -- the reenactors, whoever shows up, are 22 going to be able to walk down to the little ceremony right 23 against the back of the hills. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As I said, you get with our 25 Maintenance Department as to where the canopy's located. 4-28-14 64 1 JUDGE POLLARD: You have something, Sheriff? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, the only thing I would 3 just remind them -- and not saying anything about weddings, 4 but wedding receptions, is that is an open, public area, and 5 public intoxication laws and all of the rest of that would 6 take place. And -- you know, and it's unlawful carrying in 7 public; all the state criminal laws would still be in effect 8 in that area, as well as anything else. 9 MR. SCHEINEMAN: I understand that, and I have 10 taken care of this. There's no public drunkenness. We do 11 not work that way at all. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, I mean, the reception's in 13 the Freedom Hall, correct? 14 MS. NICHOLS: Yeah, everything. If they want to 15 drink, they would have to go to the Freedom Hall. 16 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you saying, Rusty, they 18 can't sit around and smoke the peace pipe? Is that what 19 you're saying? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Depends on what's in it. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's pretty closed-minded. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Sorry, Buster, times have 23 changed since you were young. 24 MR. SCHEINEMAN: But there will be no public 25 lewdness, no -- I have outlaws -- not outlaws; I have 4-28-14 65 1 sheriffs. 2 MS. NICHOLS: I just -- our main concern is 3 whenever they do the skit or the gunfight, that cops won't 4 show up. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, in summary -- in summary, 6 you're going to have the shootout up at the Freedom Hall, 7 going to have the reception in Freedom Hall, going to have 8 the wedding with the tents and arches and all down at the 9 park, consistent with what -- 10 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes, sir. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- Tim Bollier says. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: With the $300 deposit. 13 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have fun. Congratulations. 15 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Thank you very much. 16 MS. NICHOLS: Thank you. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a motion to that effect? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We probably ought to go 19 ahead -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, so -- I'm going to say 21 so moved, okay, what was just said. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? You seconded? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 4-28-14 66 1 seconded. Any further discussion? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a discussion. You'll need 3 to get with -- I mean, tomorrow, or this week -- soon. And 4 our receptionist is not here today, Jody -- or our assistant. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Coordinator. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Coordinator. And she'll take 7 care of the deposit. 8 MR. SCHEINEMAN: Okay. Thank you very much, sirs. 9 I would shake each one of your hands, but I don't know if 10 it's out of accord. Thank you very much. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. All right. Those in 12 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Do I have to restate 15 that motion? Okay. All right. That was -- all right, what 16 else do we need to get to? Anything else in open? Let's go 17 down to our -- pay the bills. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pay the bills and everything. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Are there any bills to be paid? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we pay the bills. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Any 23 discussion? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Couple of questions. 25 Mrs. Auditor, on Page 1, the County Judge, Herring Printing 4-28-14 67 1 for 13.36, it has "Tom Moser." Now, he may want to be the 2 County Judge, but he is not. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, gosh, are we making the 4 wrong business cards? Oh, son of a gun. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then down below -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: The cards were printed correctly, I 7 can tell you. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Commissioners Court, and 9 again, Tom Moser. This sounds like he's running for office 10 or something, getting his name on all this stuff. So, that's 11 just a typo-type thing? We don't worry about that? 12 MS. HARGIS: Did you order anything from Herring? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Business cards. I did order 14 business cards. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: For him and Pat? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Pat? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tom. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I mean Tom. I'm sorry. 19 MS. HARGIS: I'll change Tom's, but I'll fix -- the 20 second one is his. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is Tom. Okay, thank you. 22 Let's see. And then I see some repair on the courthouse 23 vehicle. 24 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: For $407. What -- I thought 4-28-14 68 1 you had just gotten through doing a bunch of stuff on that. 2 MS. HARGIS: I did, but the -- what was it? -- the 3 distributor. The -- I've forgotten, to be honest with you. 4 I had a bad week; I've forgotten. We did have a repair that 5 we had to do at one go, so it was mechanical. We took it 6 to -- had to take it to the shop. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So it's running top flight? 8 MS. HARGIS: So far. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Page 2, under the Veteran 10 Services, I know this is just typo stuff, but I'm curious 11 about it. The next to the last thing there is "Bollier-Vet 12 Service." What -- do you have any idea what that might be? 13 MS. HARGIS: No, sir. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you have any idea what 15 that might be? Are you double-dipping here in this county, 16 young man? 17 MR. BOLLIER: No, I have nothing to do with it. 18 What -- it's not the door, is it? 19 MS. HARGIS: I think that was Tim's card that she 20 used to go buy the furniture. 21 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, that's what it is. She 22 used my card. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Furniture? 24 MS. HARGIS: Each card has a different number, and 25 so -- and the "VET" is Veteran. 4-28-14 69 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you very much. 2 And, Tim, thank you very much for your service. 3 MR. BOLLIER: You're welcome, sir. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's all. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 6 seconded that we pay the bills as amended now. Those in 7 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-0, unanimous. It passes. 10 All right, are there any budget amendments? 11 MS. PIEPER: Judge, who moved and -- I didn't get 12 who moved or seconded it. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think I seconded. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, it was Letz that seconded it, 15 and Moser made the motion. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He made the motion. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- no, I made the 18 motion; you seconded. I made the motion to pay the bills. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I thought it was Rusty all 20 this time. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's probably his name on the 22 business cards. All right. Are there any budget amendments? 23 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir, there are. I think y'all 24 have a list of those. Were are there any questions on those? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we approve the budget 4-28-14 70 1 amendments as submitted. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 4 seconded that the budget amendments be approved as 5 recommended. Any discussion? There being none, those in 6 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-0, unanimous. It passes. 9 All right, any late bills? 10 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. Those are invoices for 11 Kerrville South on the grant for Tetra Tech. There are two 12 of them. Along with -- I didn't make copies, but the bill 13 that you just approved earlier, the $10,000, is also a late 14 bill. These will be reimbursed. The Tetra Tech will be 15 reimbursed by the grant. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The $10,000 one -- you said the 17 one we approved earlier. That's the one -- 18 MS. HARGIS: That's the one for -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's that lawyer bill. 20 MS. HARGIS: -- for Ken, for the EMS. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The reason I'm checking that, I 22 thought we said 10,000. This is 10,165. 23 MS. HARGIS: Those are just Tetra Tech bills. You 24 don't have a copy of the Burns one. Here it is. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, that one. Okay, that one 4-28-14 71 1 is 10,000, then. Okay, that's fine, I believe you. I just 2 saw 10,165; I wanted to make sure. 3 MS. HARGIS: It's the total of the other two. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? Are we 6 going to approve that? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- that we approve the late 10 bills. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved and seconded. Any further 12 discussion? If not, those in favor, signify by raising your 13 right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-0, unanimous. It passes. 16 All right. 17 THE CLERK: Here's the reports. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Monthly reports, County Treasurer. 19 Anybody want to look at this monthly report by the County 20 Treasurer? Anybody want to look at it? Any other reports 21 from any other departments? Sheriff, have you got anything 22 further to say? 23 MR. BOLLIER: Oh. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: You got something to say, Tim? 25 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, just a quick note. Down in 4-28-14 72 1 the park, I've really never had anybody ever work on events 2 down in those parks, because we don't ever put any kind of 3 equipment out there except for trash cans. But I guess maybe 4 that in the future, maybe you ought to start looking at 5 putting people down there and working those events, because I 6 have people that are working Tuesdays through Saturdays 7 anyway, to have people go down there, or do it myself, and go 8 down there and check those events. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I think it's -- 10 MR. BOLLIER: Because there's a lot of -- when you 11 start talking about, like, that Easter thing, when you start 12 -- when you saw all the people that was down there, I mean, 13 we have cars parked way out everywhere. You know, that's a 14 lot of people down there. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think you just need to 16 figure -- if you think you need it, do it. 17 MR. BOLLIER: I don't think I need anything for 18 this old wedding thing, but -- that's not going to be that 19 much. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: You better dress western if you do. 21 MR. BOLLIER: Wear my six-shooter? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: May want to rethink that, 23 looking at these characters. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On the subject of the Easter 25 Fest -- 4-28-14 73 1 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- the people were parked all 3 the way back to Loop 534 and all the way back to 27 on the 4 other part of the road. In the future, can we open up the 5 polo grounds for parking? 6 MR. BOLLIER: That just depends on one thing, if I 7 have anything going on there. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, there wasn't anything 9 going on. 10 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. If there wasn't anything 11 going on there, I don't have a problem with them parking on 12 the polo field. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There were people parked 14 everywhere, and the polo park was open. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, there was nobody in it. As 16 long as there's nothing going on, I don't see a problem with 17 that. I can open up that back gate on River Road there, and 18 they can go in there and park. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, maybe what we ought to 20 do is no action here, but when people come forward with those 21 kind of requests, we need to think about parking, what we're 22 going to do. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks, Tim. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, sir. 4-28-14 74 1 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any other department -- 3 MS. STEBBINS: I do. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes? 5 MS. STEBBINS: I just wanted to let y'all know that 6 I've got an employee who's retiring, so we are -- I'm 7 promoting another employee in the office. But last week, I 8 posted a position for the Hot Check Collections Coordinator. 9 I just wanted to let y'all know that that's happened, and it 10 had to happen sort of quickly. So, I just wanted to let you 11 guys know. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Yes, ma'am? 13 MS. HARGIS: We will try to get the budget out by 14 Friday, but we kind of had a little problem last week, so 15 y'all -- I want to make sure that we have all the analysis 16 done and everything. So, we're -- we're pretty much ready to 17 roll it out, but we haven't got quite finished, and my two 18 employees are going to school in addition to me being gone, 19 so we need to check in on Friday to make sure, so it may be 20 Monday or Tuesday. But we will give y'all at least, you 21 know, 10 days to look at it before. And we have to go to a 22 conference, the whole office, the second week in May. It's 23 the big learning conference for us. So, I'm going to take my 24 computer with me. If you have questions, if you will just 25 e-mail us. But when we send it out, we'll give you all those 4-28-14 75 1 instructions and so forth. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're going to go out of 3 town when my grandson's going to be born? What is wrong with 4 you? 5 MS. HARGIS: I'm sorry. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, what -- 7 MS. HARGIS: Does he need a blanket? Do I need to 8 give him a blanket? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Need to get me one. The -- 10 what did you say? So we have a budget workshop scheduled? 11 Is that what you're talking about? 12 MS. HARGIS: We have a budget workshop scheduled 13 for the third week in May. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Third week in May. 15 MS. HARGIS: I want to make sure you have plenty of 16 time -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. Okay, I got you. 18 MS. HARGIS: -- to look over the documents, ask 19 questions. You can ask questions of us, ask questions of 20 them. We have not cut anything, so the requests that you're 21 going to be seeing are exactly what they've asked for. Now, 22 we've gone through and have a suggested list at the end of 23 the day. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 25 MS. HARGIS: But we're not going to cut anything. 4-28-14 76 1 We're going to let them bring in their... You know, the 2 agendas, just so that we're all on the same page, we're going 3 to do the departments that are the smallest first so we can 4 get those confirmed, and then we'll do, like, Rusty on one 5 day, all of his departments. Road and Bridge on the -- you 6 know, to try to make it as easy as we can so that you can 7 concentrate, you know -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Could you just give us a 9 little summary of what you just said and when the workshops 10 are? And -- 11 MS. HARGIS: We will do that when we send the 12 budget out. We will send a memo with that budget -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And, "Here's the process," 14 just an outline. 15 MS. HARGIS: We have it already, an outline. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Also, if you could put in, in 17 that summary, assumptions made, such as salaries are listed 18 as no increases are built into it, or no new employees, 19 whatever you're doing, instead of -- make sure you let us 20 know what you're doing with employee salaries, benefits and 21 all that. 22 MS. HARGIS: The salaries are exactly as they are 23 today, just the longevity. But we will put that in there. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But just be real clear so we 25 know exactly -- 4-28-14 77 1 MS. HARGIS: We never touch the salaries until you 2 do something with those anyway. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And we'll be able to see 4 what last year's budget was, and what the dream budget -- 5 MS. HARGIS: Yes. You will be able to pull up a 6 report; it's called Administrative Recommended. It will have 7 three prior years, plus the current year, plus their 8 requested budget. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Super. 10 MS. HARGIS: And then it will have administrative 11 budget, and there will be some lines, so if you wanted to 12 print those, you know, you can work on those. Please do not 13 change anything in the system. We will do that when we're 14 here in the courtroom. So, if you want to print that page, 15 say you -- for instance, you pull up a department and you 16 want to make changes. If you'll just print that page, mark 17 it on there, and then you'll have it. But don't do it in the 18 system. You will have the availability of doing that, but 19 please do not. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And we can access that from 21 outside? 22 MS. HARGIS: You should be -- you'll be able to get 23 in the system. Yes, you should. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, okay. 25 MS. HARGIS: I think you and Jonathan both can do 4-28-14 78 1 that from home. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. 3 MS. HARGIS: So, again, it should be fairly simple, 4 because you have your comparisons there. And if you want to 5 go back and check, we'll teach you how to do that as well. 6 Anything you need, just let us know. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any more division reports, 9 or anybody else have any reports? All right. Reports from 10 elected officials? How about boards, commissions, or 11 committees? Any? How about -- all right. Any Commissioners 12 have any further comments? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I do. I've got a couple of 14 comments. There's -- in economic development, there's a lot 15 happening in the county, potential. I think everybody's 16 aware of things that are going on at the airport. Mooney's 17 up and rolling. The Airport Board is -- is generating a 18 Request for Proposal for repairing the Mooney roofs, which 19 are important. We still have to look at where we get the 20 funding to do that, but we won't do -- I mean, we'll work 21 that in parallel with -- with them coming up with a Request 22 for Proposal and getting bids on what to do and how to do it. 23 So, they're going to hire a consultant, either pay them or -- 24 or it will be someone that'll be gratis, and generate the 25 specs in the RFP. 4-28-14 79 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I say something right 2 quick? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You sure may. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want to say thank you to 5 all you guys that have -- have caused it to happen that way, 6 to be careful with the taxpayers' money and do it the right 7 way, and dot all the I's and T's -- cross the T's as we go 8 along. And I just appreciate that, instead of just rushing 9 to it, "Here's $500,000," and blah, blah, blah. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, there's -- and I agree 11 with you 100 percent. There's -- there are a lot of options. 12 This -- and we don't want to hold it up, but the City has 13 moved forward, but I think we have to do it -- you're right. 14 You're exactly right. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I appreciate y'all doing 16 that. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We need to understand what we 18 need, how to do it, and who's best to do it. And so we've 19 asked the Airport Board to take that responsibility, which 20 they have chosen to do. I mean, they have accepted. 21 There's -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Biggest question, of course, is 23 where are we going to get all the money? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You still got to come up 4-28-14 80 1 with the money. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: First we got to figure out how much 3 is required. There's a question about that. It's not a half 4 million, maybe. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. So, that -- there'll 6 be multiple options. The other thing is, we have -- the 7 City/County was going to take possession of some buildings 8 out there that Mooney's changing in their lease and giving 9 back to the City and County. One of them is the paint 10 hangar. And the Airport Board was approached last week by an 11 individual that would like to do some manufacturing out 12 there, and I think that that's consistent with -- used to be 13 precluded. Now I think it's okay with the F.A.A. and some 14 other folks, that we do non-aircraft type things out there. 15 So, there's another potential for another business going in 16 out there, hiring more people. So, there isn't anything but 17 just an interest right now, but just -- 18 JUDGE POLLARD: And that, as opposed to formerly 19 considering bulldozing that building down. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Instead, there's somebody that 22 wants to move into it and start a manufacturing process. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Non-aircraft? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Non-aircraft. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Non-aircraft, and revenue. 4-28-14 81 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And employees. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Not only the economic impact, but 3 some revenue too. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And in the same vein, economic 5 development, Family Dollar has indicated that they would like 6 to make sure that they understand all the permits and 7 everything that are required to put in a facility in Center 8 Point, another potential business going in. I think people 9 see that -- that the sewer system is coming in down there, so 10 they're kind of -- Center Point's becoming a greater area of 11 interest again. So -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Possible liquor store? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And possible -- yeah. I won't 14 comment on that. And that's all I have, thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a good report. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Buster, do you have anything? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir, thank you. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just pretty much ditto what you 19 said about the airport. I mean, we're continuing to talk 20 with the Airport Board and work through all that with Mooney, 21 and we'll have a resolution as to what needs to be done, and 22 recommendation when we can get there. Ag Barn, I think 23 everyone's pretty much aware, but they are finishing up the 24 slab demolition right now and hauling that off. And 25 they're -- you know, they've done a great job, Road and 4-28-14 82 1 Bridge. So, that's moving forward. I think that's all I 2 have. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have one other thing. 4 The -- the T-hangars at the airport, Road and Bridge did a 5 superb job. That's all finished. The contractor's laid out 6 a schedule. The schedule shows the T-hangars to be -- the 12 7 T-hangars -- new T-hangars to be complete mid-August, and 8 they'll all be rented before -- before construction's 9 complete. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Wow. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So -- 12 JUDGE POLLARD: That's fantastic. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I don't have anything. 15 Anything else, anybody? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, the only thing before we 17 go back in executive session, we can go ahead and deal with 18 1.12 and 1.10, just to get them done. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. Let's call 1.10 20 again. I'll call Item 1.10 again, but it's -- do we have 21 further discussion in executive session? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't, not on that one. 23 MS. STEBBINS: I have one thing to add to that. If 24 you approve that, that would become effective on May 19th, 25 after the retirement. 4-28-14 83 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. Okay, all right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we make 3 an adjustment to the Assistant County Attorney position, and 4 change that salary -- annual salary from $57,292 to $70,038. 5 And that will be effective on the May 19th pay? Is that the 6 date we run that payroll? 7 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know. 8 MS. LANTZ: I don't have a calendar in front of me. 9 MS. STEBBINS: That's just the Monday following the 10 retirement of the other -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can do it effective May 12 19th. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second that. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the funds will come from 15 budget amendments within that department. 16 MS. STEBBINS: Yes, sir. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 18 seconded as stated. Any further discussion? There being 19 none, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising your 20 right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 22 JUDGE POLLARD: 3-0, unanimous. All right, 1.12; 23 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on the Texas 24 Arts and Crafts Fair. I think we had something about 60 days 25 on that? 4-28-14 84 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll authorize the County 2 Attorney to prepare notice to the S.B.A. that we consider 3 them to be in default of the lease. 4 MS. STEBBINS: Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that notice 7 be given to the S.B.A., notice of default on the lease -- 8 under the lease. Is there further discussion? There being 9 none, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising your 10 right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-0, unanimous. All right. 13 With that, we can now recess to executive session, so I'm now 14 terminating public session, open session, and we're going 15 back into executive session again. Kind of a mess. I'm 16 sorry; I apologize for all that. 17 (The open session was closed at 11:42 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 18 is contained in a separate document.) 19 - - - - - - - - - - 20 (Open session was reopened at 12:10 p.m.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is everybody back in here 22 that wants back in here? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We got a clerk? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: We got a clerk. All right, I'm 25 declaring the closed session over, terminated, and declaring 4-28-14 85 1 the open session open again for consideration of Item 1.10. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1.11. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Is it 1.10 or 11? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 11. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.11 on the agenda. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion we terminate 7 the employment of Kevin Stanton for violations of Kerr County 8 policy. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 12 Kevin Stanton's employment be terminated with Kerr County 13 because of -- what did you say? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Violations of Kerr County 15 policy. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Because of violations of the 17 policies and procedures manual. Is there any further 18 discussion? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's effective immediately. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Effective immediately. Any further 21 discussion? There being none, those in favor of the motion, 22 signify by raising your right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: This one is four-zero. It's 25 unanimous. 4-28-14 86 1 THE CLERK: Got it, sir. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. With that, I think the 3 -- today's agenda is complete, and I declare it all over 4 with. 5 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 12:11 p.m.) 6 - - - - - - - - - - 7 8 9 STATE OF TEXAS | 10 COUNTY OF KERR | 11 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 12 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 13 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 14 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 15 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 1st day of May, 2014. 16 17 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 18 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 19 Certified Shorthand Reporter 20 21 22 23 24 25 4-28-14