1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Tuesday, May 27, 2014 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X May 27, 2014 2 PAGE 3 --- Visitors' forum 5 4 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request to replace J.P. clerk for Precinct 3 8 5 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 6 authorize County Judge to execute annual renewal of MOU contract with Indigent Healthcare Solutions, 7 software program for Indigent Health Program 9 8 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on airport facilities 9 9 1.4 Update and discussion on Mooney facility review, 10 process, and timeline 10 11 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request from Clear River Advocates to hold the 12 Guadalupe River Parade at Flat Rock Lake Park on August 16, 2014 27 13 1.6 Update on Hill Country Youth Event Center 14 construction and ground breaking 30 15 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request for computer for work station, or upgrade 16 clerk computer, and move clerk to work station -- 17 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request for remedy of phone system failure -- 18 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 19 whether to transfer Juvenile Detention Ford pickup to another department 32 20 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 21 request from Thomas Bowman to bring mobile shoe shining cart to courthouse on a trial basis -- 22 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to renew 23 teen curfew for Kerr County for an additional year 40 24 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding accepting gift of property from C.A. Habermacher 25 located at 115 Valley View Drive in Kerrville 42 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) May 27, 2014 2 PAGE 3 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve reappointment of Airport Board Members 4 Corey Walters, Bill Wood, and Kirk Griffin 48 5 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to appoint Dené Huffaker to Kerr County Emergency 6 Services District #2 49 7 1.18 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding Hill Country District Junior Livestock 8 Show placing a second storage container adjacent to the project barn at Hill Country Youth Event 9 Center 50 10 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to award the bid for inmate telephone system 55 11 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 12 interest in Kerr County filing a resolution regarding 3H Youth Ranch 59 13 1.16 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 14 request from Bob Howells to use Flat Rock Lake on August 21, 2014 to conduct a survey of any 15 freshwater mussels that may be present, as part of Third Annual Texas Freshwater Mussel Symposium 16 and Workshop 84 17 1.19 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to update the liaison appointments for 2014 92 18 1.20 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 19 selection process for new Juvenile Detention Facility Director 99 20 1.21 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 21 ratify and confirm proclamation from Community Council of South Central Texas, Inc., declaring 22 May 2014 as National Community Action Month 102 23 1.22 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to grant a Local Government Code 262.024 exemption 24 for a limited professional services contract for Kerr County appointed CPS legal services related 25 to children’s ad litem appointments 104 4 1 I N D E X (Continued) May 27, 2014 2 PAGE 3 1.23 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve contract with Castle Lake Fire Department 4 and allow Commissioner Baldwin to sign same 110 5 4.1 Pay Bills 112 4.2 Budget Amendments 113 6 4.3 Late Bills 115 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 116 7 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 8 Assignments --- 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 117 9 --- Adjourned 120 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 On Tuesday, May 27, 2014, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, it's 9 a.m. and we'll call 8 the Commissioners Court to order on May 27th, 2014, at 9 a.m. 9 Commissioner Baldwin's up. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. Please stand and 11 we'll have a word of prayer and then the pledge of 12 allegiance. 13 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. This is the public part of 16 the meeting of any citizens wishing to speak, and I have one 17 public participation here. Kristan Weaver and Denny Foster, 18 would y'all please step forward? Good morning. 19 MS. WEAVER: Good morning. Kristan Weaver with the 20 Kerrville Area Chamber of Commerce. 21 MR. FOSTER: And Denny Foster. 22 MS. WEAVER: We're just here to say that KerrFest 23 was an amazingly successful event once again. I wanted to 24 say thank you so much to Kerr County for all your support. 25 We're so glad you were out there, and we just -- we had a -- 5-27-14 6 1 we had a wonderful event. We had between 4,000 and 5,000 2 people out there. We are still working on all the numbers on 3 everything, and when we have the economic impact analysis 4 completed, we'd like to come back and give you a quick report 5 on that. Also wanted to say thank to you Tim and all of his 6 crew. They are the best in the world, and we want to say 7 thank you very much for all your hard work to make that event 8 so successful for our community. Thank you. 9 MR. BOLLIER: Thank you. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Kristan, how do you think it 11 compared this year to last year? 12 MS. WEAVER: Well, we grew the event once again. 13 Of course, we ran into some new challenges this year, like we 14 do every year. But we -- you know, with the numbers up -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's getting bigger? 16 MS. WEAVER: Yes, sir. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fantastic. 18 MS. WEAVER: Yes, sir. Thank you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I heard people talking, saying it 20 was about double last year's participation. Is that pretty 21 much correct? 22 MR. FOSTER: It's close. We -- we definitely grew 23 it. We're still counting the gate and counting the number of 24 people that came in with wristbands and stuff, but we 25 definitely grew the event. The addition of the -- the 5-27-14 7 1 doubled size of bleachers, grandstands with box seats was a 2 huge success. Everything -- everything went really well. As 3 Kristan said, we had some challenges. We -- we learn 4 something new every year that we need to overcome, and new 5 challenges, and we'll hopefully work with you and Tim and the 6 rest of the community to make sure we get the event even 7 better next year. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: You guys about worked yourself to 9 death. Denny -- I know Denny was out on his feet; he didn't 10 even go home sometimes, slept on his couch at his place of 11 business. 12 MR. FOSTER: I've learned I've aged since last 13 year. (Laughter.) 14 MS. WEAVER: Once again, thank you, and thank you 15 for everything that y'all did. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 17 MR. FOSTER: If there's anything y'all can think of 18 that we can do to make the event better, please let us know. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It looked good to me. 20 MR. FOSTER: Thank you. 21 MS. WEAVER: Thank you. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Y'all did a great job. 23 MS. WEAVER: Thank you. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there anybody else in the public 25 participation portion that wishes to speak? There being 5-27-14 8 1 none, we'll proceed with the regular agenda, then. We'll go 2 to Item 1.1; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 3 on request to replace Justice of the Peace clerk for Precinct 4 3 with a start date of May 27th, 2014. This is a budgeted 5 position. Judge Mitchell? 6 JUDGE MITCHELL: Good morning, gentlemen. This was 7 placed on the agenda to inform you that the clerk that's in 8 my court at this time is leaving. Her last day is this 9 Friday, the 30th, and so I needed to fill that vacancy, which 10 I have done. And I was fortunate enough to find somebody 11 in-house that's -- that is starting today. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: And who is that? 13 JUDGE MITCHELL: It's an employee from Jannett 14 Pieper's, the County Clerk's office. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. 16 JUDGE MITCHELL: Thank you. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Any questions? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do we -- do we need a motion? 19 I mean, I don't -- I don't know that we do. You just -- 20 JUDGE MITCHELL: It is budgeted. It's a budgeted 21 item. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: So we don't need a motion, then? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't believe so. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 JUDGE MITCHELL: Thank you. 5-27-14 9 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you very much. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Item 1.2; consider, 4 discuss, and take appropriate action to authorize County 5 Judge to execute the annual renewal memorandum of 6 understanding contract with Indigent Health Care Solutions 7 which provides the software program for the Kerr County 8 Indigent Health project. No contract changes or price 9 increases are proposed in this agreement. Mrs. Lavender? 10 MS. LAVENDER: This is just a simple approval for 11 him to sign the documents to renew the software program. 12 Luckily, no price changes, so no impact on the budget. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there a motion? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I so move. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Any 17 further discussion? Those in favor of the motion, signify by 18 raising your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0. Thank you, Ms. Lavender. 21 1.3; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on 22 airport facilities. Commissioner Moser. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, thank you. Thank you, 24 Judge. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think this and the next one 5-27-14 10 1 are the same thing, basically. Might as well call them both 2 at once. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I think we're -- I 4 think we're going to go into them for sure. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Update and discussion on Mooney 6 facility review, process, and timeline. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're the same. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Well, what I wanted to 9 do is I put "airport facilities" down because I want to talk 10 about a little bit more than just the Mooney facility. And I 11 think on the screen is -- is a layout of the master plan that 12 we have at the airport, and just for -- to review real 13 quickly, a lot of credit to Jonathan Letz and Bill Williams 14 and -- and the Airport Board over the last five years of 15 laying out a way to reduce the costs out at the airport, 16 which has been very effective. But the increased revenue has 17 been also, so we've gone from -- the airport's gone from 18 needing $200,000 a year from the County and $200,000 a year 19 from the City, to this year's budget; I think they're asking 20 for $40,000 from each one of the entities for operations at 21 the airport. Not capital improvements, but for operations. 22 And this is because of some of the -- the good work that I 23 just mentioned, and also by laying out a master plan. I 24 think next year we'll be down to zero needed from the City 25 and zero needed from the County. And I think beyond that, 5-27-14 11 1 hopefully revenue will be coming in to go back into the 2 coffers of the City and the County. 3 So, I think really, really good progress is made, 4 and I want to talk about two specific things. One of them is 5 hard for you to see, but the Brinks hangar is one of the 6 facilities that the City/County inherited recently. It is -- 7 the lease has not been signed for that, but it's not in the 8 airport budget for next year, but it has the potential of 9 having about a net $60,000 per year for that facility, so 10 that will put us, you know, like at zero, really, from the -- 11 from the airport operations needs from the City and the 12 County. The other thing is, 12 new hangars will start -- the 13 construction has already begun. Road and Bridge laid all the 14 foundation for that, did the dirt work. That will be -- 15 those 12 hangars will be complete by September the 1st, if we 16 can get rid of this rain. In jest. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Don't say that. (Laughter.) 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, that -- that work will be 19 done. All of the hangars will be leased, I think, probably 20 this month, before they -- even construction begins. There's 21 another $30,000 a year coming in from that, which I think 22 that is in the budget for next year. So, anyway, those two 23 entities show that we're making really good progress. We've 24 got plans to -- you know, with this -- the reason I want to 25 show this master plan, we know where every single building 5-27-14 12 1 and every type of development can be on that airport. We've 2 studied it, analyzed and optimized it, looked at multiple, 3 multiple items -- when I say "we," the Airport Board and City 4 and the County. So, I think it's an extremely good plan and 5 shows you what planning can do. Fast forward to -- to 6 Mooney. That's our big 300,000 square foot facility. It's 7 the next agenda item. We have an emergency out there. 8 I talked to Tom Bowen, who's in the audience today, 9 this morning. They're probably down 25 percent of their 10 production capacity this morning, cleaning up from the rain 11 that occurred this weekend. The hammer house area is -- is 12 in disrepair. Where we stand on that is, this -- this body 13 requested that the Airport Board get a consultant to 14 determine what needs to be done to the Mooney facilities, and 15 it's more than just the roof. If we're looking at the roof, 16 we got to look at the supporting structure too. So, they're 17 negotiating with a company -- Airport Board's negotiating 18 with a -- with a consultant out of San Antonio that's -- 19 that's very expert in this area. Once they're on board, it 20 will probably be about five weeks, by the time they make 21 their assessment and make a recommendation on what action 22 needs to be taken, and this will be done in concert with -- 23 with Mooney to understand their needs and their operations 24 and what the fixes will be, so it has -- takes into 25 consideration the impact that it'll have on their operations. 5-27-14 13 1 So, hopefully in about five weeks, we'll have the 2 results of that, and then -- then the good thing about that 3 is they're not just looking at one type of roof repair fixes 4 all. They're looking at specific buildings, the age, what 5 the issue is. It may be a very simple type of fix for one 6 building, where it may be more comprehensive in the others. 7 So I think with that, then -- then the owners of those 8 facilities can look at that and determine what to do. In the 9 meantime, you know, we have an emergency out there. We have 10 a -- we have a tenant that's in production with 85-plus 11 employees out there. It's becoming a safety issue. So, 12 there's no action that we can take now; there's no action 13 that I'm recommending. I just want to bring everybody up to 14 speed on it. Overall, the airport things are really good. 15 We've got a -- we've got an issue that we need to face with 16 -- with Mooney. And with that, I think that, you know, the 17 revenue that we get from -- from the Mooney operations will 18 even enhance what I just mentioned. So, that's it. No 19 action on what I'm recommending. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- and, I mean, it isn't a 21 whole lot different when it comes to mine, but, I put my item 22 on the agenda primarily because it seems like there's a 23 disjointed message in the community, I almost want to say, 24 about this, that the County -- you know, the County is 25 against fixing this. And I also -- I read something in the 5-27-14 14 1 paper last week, I think, when the -- or 10 days ago, when we 2 had the last rain, and a piece of the roof was blown off of 3 one of the Mooney buildings. And at that point, the -- I 4 think it was the mayor, at a City Council meeting, then 5 declared it was an emergency; you know, it had to be fixed 6 right away. And all that just got me very confused, and I've 7 checked into it. You know, I think Mr. Bowen can verify 8 this. That is covered under insurance that Mooney has. That 9 has nothing -- that event had nothing to do with fixing the 10 roofs of the -- you know, of repairing some of those 11 facilities out there. So I think, you know, there was -- all 12 of a sudden, it was in the paper that there's just an 13 emergency out there; something has to be done right away. 14 Well, yeah, it did, but it was not -- it was up to the 15 insurance company and Mooney to get that fixed. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: True. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That incident -- and I think 18 that was not clear at all in the paper, so I wanted to 19 clarify that point. On the facilities, from -- you know, in 20 my mind, you know, certainly, I don't think that this Court 21 has drug its feet at all. We've been totally responsive and, 22 you know -- and making sure that what is done out there is 23 the best thing for those buildings. The initial proposal 24 that came out that Mooney went out and got an idea as to a 25 covering essentially that would cover all of the roofs and 5-27-14 15 1 bind them together, members of the Airport Board were not 2 comfortable with that. The City jumped out there and said 3 they were going to pay their half of it, and we kind of said, 4 Whoa, we need to take -- and the Airport Board also said, 5 "Whoa, we need to take a look at this, make sure this is the 6 right thing how to fix these buildings." When we went out 7 there on the tour, it became very evident that in the hammer 8 house area, the wood is rotten, and it made no sense to me to 9 put -- spend a million dollars on just putting a -- a PVC 10 type liner over rotten wood. 11 And at that point, I think the Airport Board then 12 went out -- has gone out for a consultant, like Mr. Moser 13 said, and they're doing, in my mind, the right thing with the 14 consultant. They're going out and finding out, is it even 15 worth fixing some of the those buildings, or should a plan be 16 developed to eliminate those buildings? Talking about the 17 Quonset hut, part of the hammer hangar, some of the those old 18 buildings that I think is where, during our tour, they called 19 it the indoor water slide, where they have all this stuff 20 racked up in there. And when I was looking at that, I was 21 like, gosh -- I mean, I just can't, in good conscience, 22 justify spending a whole lot to fix those buildings. Now, we 23 might go with a short-term patch and then a long-term 24 solution, but I think we really need to look at it. And I 25 think the Airport Board is -- is doing the -- getting the 5-27-14 16 1 consultant. But I mainly put it on -- you know, there are 2 problems out there that need to be fixed. I'm -- you know, I 3 hear this word "emergency" a lot. I'm not sure why we're 4 using the word "emergency." I mean, it needs to be fixed, 5 bottom line. And clearly, when it rains, it puts their 6 production on hold, basically. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It does. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the other thing out there 9 is, we have an electrical system in areas of those old 10 buildings that are questionable. There are exposed wires in 11 areas based on the way that was done. You know, again, I 12 don't want to go in there and start patching those buildings 13 that have some other real problems. So, I think we need to 14 have a comprehensive solution. Mooney, from every 15 indication, is here to stay and get, you know, production up, 16 and I think it's in their best interests, and certainly the 17 taxpayers' best interests for the County and City to make 18 sure we're doing this thing the correct way, rather than 19 jumping out there and throwing money at a problem that we're 20 not sure what the problem actually is, other than we know we 21 have a leaky roof. 22 So, with that, you know, that's kind of -- I just 23 wanted to kind of put it all together. Tom's timeline is 24 accurate. It's going to be as soon as the Airport Board 25 finalizes their deal with the consultant, which hopefully 5-27-14 17 1 will be this week. You're looking at -- he said five weeks, 2 possibly sooner than that. But in reality, probably five 3 weeks is a good time so we can get an actual amount. Whether 4 we have to bid this or what has to be done, I think the 5 County Attorney's looking at that, and that's a split issue a 6 little bit as to what we have to do to comply with state law. 7 But, you know, it's an important facility. Something needs 8 to be done out there. And once we know the scope of the 9 problems, I hope we have a joint meeting with this Court, 10 Mooney, and City Council to talk about it as to what is a -- 11 the best long-term fix and what is the best short-term fix, 12 because they may not be the same. There's some -- as I 13 understand it from -- you know, when I was out there last -- 14 you know, some of the buildings aren't being 100 percent 15 utilized right now, but they will be in a couple years. Is 16 there some way to make some of that work? Do we really need 17 -- I mean, it's very difficult for me to see spending on the 18 Quonset hut, and some of that isn't worth a whole lot 19 economically. And it seems that a much better solution, if 20 we can figure out how to make it work with their production, 21 is to replace some of those buildings, as opposed to just 22 trying to patch them. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think -- and I agree 24 with everything Jonathan said. I don't have any issue with 25 anything. I think the bottom line is, it is an important 5-27-14 18 1 facility. It does need to be fixed. I think the County did 2 exactly the right thing by saying let's don't jump on this 3 first fix, because there's some questions about that. The 4 consultant will help us, in concert with Mooney, determine 5 what -- what the options are, even looking at -- at repair, 6 temporary repairs, long-term repairs. One type of fix for 7 one building may not be the same as for the other. And 8 hopefully with that -- that approach, you know, we're going 9 to keep this cost down, and let Mooney -- that's the 10 important thing, let Mooney get back to full operations as 11 quickly as possible. 12 And so it may -- I think the challenge for the 13 Court is going to be to determine if we need to do it, which 14 it appears to me we need to do it this fiscal year. Where we 15 get the money, that'll be another agenda item for this year, 16 and for next year, I think we need a line item in the budget 17 for next year. So, anyway, I think we're all saying the same 18 thing. Important facility, we've got to fix it, and we're 19 moving in the right direction. And I think the thing that -- 20 I think the City is -- from my discussion with them, they 21 agree 100 percent; let's get -- let's understand what the fix 22 should be. I think all they've done is said, "Yeah, we've 23 identified our money up to a certain amount." So, they're -- 24 I think we're all in agreement. So -- 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I wouldn't say -- I think it's 5-27-14 19 1 going to be important that we have a -- I don't think it's 2 appropriate for -- I mean, there are two liaisons to the 3 airport. This is a big decision that has a huge budget 4 impact. You need to meet with the entire Court. City 5 Council, that's up to them what they do. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think there needs to be a 8 meeting between Mooney and the Court, and at least at a 9 workshop meeting so we can -- I think the Airport Board needs 10 to be there too. But from our point, this will have a large 11 budget impact. Doesn't matter what the fix is; it's going to 12 be very important that you're not just talking to two of us, 13 in my opinion. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Bowen, I attended a meeting 16 with you and Dr. Jerry Chen and Commissioner Moser last week. 17 And he indicated that his plans were to move forward pretty 18 quickly in developing the whole project out there. Would you 19 like to step forward and discuss any of those issues and any 20 of the things that have been talked about by any of the 21 Commissioners up here? 22 MR. BOWEN: Yes. Yes, thank you for the 23 opportunity. Indeed, Mr. Letz, it is an insurance issue, but 24 what ultimately is going to happen is that part of the roof 25 is going to be patched back on, and to some extent, that's 5-27-14 20 1 what's been happening for the last 20 years, is something 2 happens, something needs patched, and it never gets properly 3 addressed. One thing I'd like to emphasize is timing. We 4 started out our production schedule at one aircraft a month 5 so that we could address issues with production equipment, 6 production personnel, production facility. Starting 7 January-February next year, we start two a month, so any type 8 of impact on the facility was planned for this year, thinking 9 that we had enough time to address it. When you're talking 10 about replacing buildings or -- or even replacing major roof 11 structure, you've got an impact to production; you have to 12 move that production somewhere. You can't build ahead. You 13 can't off-site it. It -- it's got to happen. It's a whole 14 different equation when you're doing one airplane a month 15 versus two airplanes a month. Ending next year, we'll be at 16 three airplanes a month. So, you take -- we fabricate in the 17 hammer house approximately 6,000 parts per airplane. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wow. 19 MR. BOWEN: So, you know, you're talking about 20 18,000 fabrication steps, and there's probably more than that 21 that have to move somewhere. So, it's -- it's a -- it's 22 four-dimensional chess, if you want to put it in those terms. 23 It's three dimensions plus time. So, I would just urge you, 24 you know, that the process move along as quickly as it can. 25 We're fully willing to participate in and come up with 5-27-14 21 1 alternatives and help brainstorm these solutions, but time is 2 ticking. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think some of these 4 discussions can go on while the consultant works. I mean, I 5 think trying to understand your production requirements will 6 be helpful to this Court. I think that kind of a discussion 7 is important as to -- you know, and just brainstorming, you 8 know, what can be -- obviously, there's one piece of 9 equipment that cannot be moved. 10 MR. BOWEN: Correct. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think everyone agrees on 12 that. So, how do you -- and it's a piece of equipment that I 13 know that you need. So, therefore, how does that -- how do 14 we work with that, and what are the options? And they may 15 not -- and like I say, there may be a short-term fix and a 16 longer-term fix, and both need to be looked at. 17 MR. BOWEN: Absolutely. We -- you know, we'd like 18 nothing better than to have the fix, rather than a -- a 19 series of -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 21 MR. BOWEN: -- remediations. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Like you said, the -- the years 23 of the prior iterations of Mooney are part of the problem, in 24 that they patched things and didn't fix things. And -- but 25 we can't -- you know, we are at the current time where we 5-27-14 22 1 are, and now we need to figure out how to move forward. 2 MR. BOWEN: Absolutely. Thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Tom. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody else like to address any of 5 these issues that have been discussed? Jonas, do you want to 6 talk about it? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Your Honor? Just -- since 8 I'm new here, I understand if it was in the private sector, 9 major roof problems, and if it was on a rental property, 10 definitely an emergency. Has the County Attorney looked to 11 see, since this is a jointly-owned building, does this fit 12 the definition of "emergency"? Or could you look to see if 13 it would fit? 14 MS. STEBBINS: I have looked to see what the 15 definition of "emergency" is, and it has to -- the word 16 "public" is in -- in that definition, a public emergency. I 17 can send you that rule later so that you can look at that, 18 but I have looked at it. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And so, in your opinion, it 20 is -- it does meet that criteria? 21 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know that it meets that 22 criteria, and I think that's something that you all will have 23 to -- have to determine and make that fact determination 24 whether it meets that criteria. But I can certainly tell you 25 what the rules are. 5-27-14 23 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. 2 MS. STEBBINS: Okay? 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 4 MS. STEBBINS: You're welcome. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody else want to talk on it? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just the -- I'll make a 7 comment. Just the reason an emergency is important to us and 8 to Mooney is it potentially affects the timeline drastically. 9 If it's an emergency, we can waive certain bidding 10 requirements. If it's not an emergency, we have to go 11 through a much more standard process, which requires -- which 12 would lengthen it. So, you know, that's why that is an 13 important terminology, and it's a -- it's a determination. 14 From our standpoint, we have to rely on the County Attorney; 15 sounds like some of it may be we have to make a determination 16 of fact, which, you know, we can look at that, you know, down 17 the road. But it's a -- it is an important issue from the -- 18 getting a contract to start doing something, and really has 19 no impact on where we are right now. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And funding thereof. Right, I 21 agree. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I don't think we should 23 go away from here today without being real clear that if 24 we're required by law to go out for bids and go through that 25 process, we've got to do it. 5-27-14 24 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Got to do it. That's the 2 plan. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's -- I'm sure that -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Are we required to go out for bids? 5 MS. STEBBINS: Yes, sir. If we're going to pay for 6 these repairs, we're going to have to go out for bids. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That could be who knows how 8 long, but we're going to do that. So, that'll be a -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The Airport Board has that in 10 their schedule to go out for bids, yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, good. That's good. 12 But I'm just saying, that -- that means that it won't be done 13 tomorrow. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, that's correct. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: What is the timeline on that? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think five -- in five 17 weeks, that's when the specifications will be established for 18 the request for proposal. That's the things that we've 19 talked about. Balancing it with Mooney's needs, balancing 20 with short-term, long-term, and then we'll look at those 21 options, and in five weeks, hopefully we'll have that fix. 22 Then you put it in the R.F.P., and I forgot the schedule on 23 that. It's, you know, a matter of -- of a few weeks of 24 having the R.F.P. out and getting responses, and so it's less 25 than -- as I recall, Jonathan, it was less than a month after 5-27-14 25 1 we got the R.F.P. out to where we have a contract on board. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: My recollection is that -- 3 Mr. Bowen calls it putting a blanket across the top of it, 4 over the whole -- all of them, all the buildings. My 5 recollection is that it's real important to them that they 6 have a long life expectancy, a guarantee or warranty of at 7 least 15 years, I think you guys said, and you'd prefer 8 longer than that if you could get it. And if I remember 9 right, the proposal that you had from one -- one contractor 10 was for 30 years? Is that correct? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It was 15. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Or was it -- it was 15? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fifteen years workmanship and 14 material, yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So, what I'm getting at 16 is when the Airport Board writes the specifications that they 17 want bids on, they need to consult -- to make sure they 18 consult with Mooney on what they want out there in writing 19 those specifications. Am I correct on that, Mr. Bowen? 20 MR. BOWEN: Yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's why I think we need to 22 have a joint meeting at some point, to -- I mean, there's -- 23 there's multiple parties. Obviously, we need to make sure 24 that we're all going in the same direction so we don't lose 25 time by making a misstep along the way. And the other thing 5-27-14 26 1 I think we need to find out, and if the County Attorney can 2 look into this, for a project like this, we'll have the 3 specifications. I'm not sure what the consultant's going to 4 provide exactly, but are we going to have to have an engineer 5 on board to lay out the plans? Like, if we build a building, 6 we have to have an architect and an engineer. I don't know 7 if this means that same thing, but we have to look at that. 8 Or can we -- you know, can we hire a firm on a kind of 9 contract-to-build type format, where we -- or find a firm and 10 just say fix -- you know, do it, kind of combine those two 11 processes? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me comment on that, on the 13 consultant. The consultant is not only just establishing 14 specifications, but the next step in this consultant's 15 agreement -- and he is a professional engineer, okay, and 16 they just do roofing stuff; it's a two-party group that's 17 doing this, and it's to provide the service of writing the 18 specification for the R.F.P., helping evaluate the R.F.P., 19 and monitoring the construction until the job is complete. 20 So, it's turnkey from beginning all the way to the end, so 21 that's what's being negotiated. And I think the thing is 22 that once we get the consultant finished with his work in 23 concert with Mooney, then it's that time that they should 24 come back to the City and the County and say, "Here are the 25 options. Here's what we propose." Since you guys are going 5-27-14 27 1 to have to pay for it, we are going to have to go out for 2 bids, make sure we're all in concert with that, and the 3 Airport Board should bring that back to us. 4 MR. TITAS: And a structural engineer is part of 5 that analysis; he's part of the consultant group. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, he's one of the two 7 parties. Right, precisely. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 9 All right. I don't think there's any action -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No action. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: -- so far. All right. Let's go to 12 Item 1.5; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on 13 request from Clear River Advocates to hold the Guadalupe 14 River Parade at Flat Rock Lake Park in on August 16, 2014. 15 Marvin Willis. 16 MR. WILLIS: Yes, sir. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: How are you, sir? 18 MR. WILLIS: Good morning, Your Honor. Good 19 morning, Commissioners. How are you guys? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Fine. How are you, sir? 21 MR. WILLIS: I guess you realize it's my 12th year 22 to put on the river parade in Kerrville. Many of you have 23 been there, enjoyed yourself at the river parade. We're 24 proposing to do it again on August the 16th. And so, of 25 course, I'm here to request permission to use Flat Rock Park 5-27-14 28 1 for that event. This year it's going to be a little 2 different; there's not going to be any vendors' fees or any 3 cost for anybody for any entryway or anything. We've got our 4 homebred favorite, Josh Murley, performing with Sly, so 5 that's going to be a popular group, just like they did at the 6 Easter Fest. We had a pretty good crowd out there, so it 7 should be a lot of fun. And, of course, we'd like to have 8 all the commissioners show up. And, you know, the reason why 9 we do this, of course, is that our river is probably the most 10 important thing, at least in my opinion, that we have here in 11 Kerrville, and I believe it's totally underutilized. I think 12 that our tourism is lacking in that area, and so we put on 13 the river parade to bring people in, to show them the 14 Guadalupe and how they could utilize the river, and so that's 15 our real cause. 16 And, of course, we have clean-ups and -- and 17 educate people about the importance of keeping the river 18 clean, but I think the river parade bringing tourism and -- 19 and notoriety to our river is probably the most important for 20 that event. So, I would urge that people from the Court 21 would be participating this year and coming on August the 22 16th. Of course, the gate opens at 12:00, and it's free for 23 everyone. We're there until dark, so we just -- last year we 24 had -- it was the smallest parade we ever had, to be totally 25 honest with you, but it was the most fun I ever had at any 5-27-14 29 1 event; it was the least stress. You know, when you have all 2 these people there, it's hectic, but it was a lot of fun. 3 So, I hope that you guys would all come -- or I better get 4 permission first. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How many years have you been 6 doing this? 7 MR. WILLIS: This is our 12th year. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Twelfth year? 9 MR. WILLIS: Fifteen years to be cleaning trash out 10 of the river here, but it's our 12th year to put on the river 11 event. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: I would agree with you that the 14 river was underutilized, at least until we got these last 15 rains. By necessity. 16 MR. WILLIS: Well, the good thing is, maybe we'll 17 have some water for the floats to float in the river. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: I hope so. All right, is there any 19 further -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Any 24 further discussion? Those in favor, signify by raising your 25 right hand. 5-27-14 30 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Four-zero. Thank you, Mr. Willis. 3 MR. WILLIS: Thank you very much. Appreciate it. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Go Marvin. 5 MR. WILLIS: Have a good day. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Item 1.6; update on 7 Hill Country Youth Event Center construction and ground 8 breaking. Commissioner Letz. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just put this on the agenda 10 to let everyone know two things. One, Road and Bridge is 11 working on their -- on the site work, and all of that 12 construction and getting all that mobilized and started. But 13 the most -- more important part of this agenda item is this 14 Friday will be the ground breaking -- ground breaking, 1:30. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This Friday? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This Friday. Jody, I'm sure, 17 will post it as an event that I presume -- hopefully, more 18 than one of us will be there -- more than two of us will be 19 there. I think the idea is to have a lot of the kids 20 participate in the ground breaking. It's the -- it's 21 potentially a kid facility; they certainly are one of the 22 prime reasons for it. A lot of the 4-H and F.F.A. groups 23 have been notified about it. And the reason for the timing 24 was that Kerrville schools are out Friday, or by Friday, and 25 try to get a bunch of kids out there. The Chamber will be 5-27-14 31 1 out there. Hopefully the whole Court can be out there as 2 well. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Has the contractor made any 4 commitment that they think they can complete the construction 5 by the stock show? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: It's going to be tight. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's going to be tight, but 9 they're -- you know, I don't want to complain about rain, 10 but, you know -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Don't. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a little bit -- looked 13 like a lake out there this morning as I drove by. But 14 it's -- yes. I mean, they're -- one of the things that we 15 did in the final work with the contractor was to change 16 building suppliers so that we're getting the building a 17 little bit quicker; going from, I think, a 10-week to 7-week. 18 You know, Bob and I will be at a meeting with the architect 19 and the contractor tomorrow morning, so at that point, kind 20 of a game plan will be laid out. But yes, I think the 21 indications are it will be usable. It may only be 22 substantially complete, but it'll be usable. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, any further 24 discussion on that? I don't think there's any action 25 required on it. 5-27-14 32 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's go to 1.7 -- 1.7 and 1.8 have 3 both been withdrawn, and they've asked that we skip it and 4 move on, so I'm going to go to 1.9; consider, discuss, and 5 take appropriate action on whether to transfer the Juvenile 6 Detention Ford pickup to another department. Mrs. Hargis. 7 MS. HARGIS: I'm going to let the Court handle this 8 one. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I think the -- I mean, 10 I'll start with it. I know that there are two departments 11 that have a need for the truck -- actually, I should say 12 three departments have a need for the truck. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Five. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, three that have talked to 15 me. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Who are they? 'Cause some 17 have talked to me. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Road and Bridge has requested 19 it; they think it fits. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Maintenance. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Road and Bridge is -- I 22 told Charlie Hastings and Len that I would mention this part. 23 It would be for Charlie Hastings, who is -- in lieu of buying 24 another truck, which was their plan, or shifting things 25 around. It meets his needs. He does not need a larger 5-27-14 33 1 three-quarter ton, in his mind. Maintenance has a need for 2 it; they're short a truck. And I think the Sheriff's 3 Department has a need for it. I'm not sure who else. Those 4 are the three that have talked to me, and have contacted -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I think Ms. Hargis indicated there 6 were five. Are there others you can remember? 7 MS. HARGIS: Those are the main three. I haven't 8 had anybody else ask me for it. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not sure -- I don't recall 11 Animal Control asking, but those three do. You know, and I 12 have no strong feeling one way or the other. I mean, I -- I 13 think all three departments probably need a new vehicle, 14 or at some point, whether it's handled through the budget 15 process or take this one, you know. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do we know what's going to 17 happen with the department that it came from? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: With the department? As in 19 who's going to be heading up that department? I think that's 20 on the agenda. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are they going to drive a 22 vehicle, and are they going to drive this vehicle? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not -- from looking at it 24 and talking, I'm not sure why that -- to be honest, why that 25 department needed this vehicle. 5-27-14 34 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I -- that -- yeah. 2 The point is that we need to have a conversation about it, 3 not just give it away. Let's see what we're going to do with 4 that before we give it to somebody else. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's the most 7 cost-effective? Who needs it? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm not disagreeable with 9 you; it's just -- I just think that we're getting in a little 10 bit too big of a hurry. So, besides that, I'm going to use 11 it tomorrow. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And, I mean, I'm not sure 13 there's a -- a pressing need for us to make a decision today 14 on it. I think it does have some budget impact to the 15 departments, because of whether it's in their budget or not 16 in the budget for a truck. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's my point. Which is the 18 most cost-effective way to look at that? If there's any 19 difference. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Sheriff, would you like to address 21 your need for it? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, I sent y'all -- I don't 23 have a copy of it with me. I sent y'all a letter stating how 24 we use vehicles and how we purchase vehicles, that all the 25 ones we purchase are normally used for patrol. Then we use 5-27-14 35 1 seized vehicles and kind of hand-me-downs for C.I.D. and 2 unmarked ones. That's why I always hurt running vehicles 3 with extremely high mileage. I had to put one out of service 4 last week or week before. So, yeah, there is a need for it, 5 okay, and it would save us budget-wise. But I can understand 6 Road and Bridge's needs as well, and it's just something -- I 7 think this Court can make that decision on where they want 8 that vehicle assigned. I'm kind of like Jonathan; after the 9 last deal we did with Juvenile Detention, I'm not sure I 10 understand a reason for it. It's kind of like the two 11 security officers I have working at the courthouse. Neither 12 one of them drive a vehicle, because they're placed right 13 here and not out on the road, and so that's why they aren't 14 issued a vehicle at all. They drive their personal ones back 15 and forth to work. So, that's kind of the way I look at 16 that. It is a good vehicle. I'm sure it will have a budget 17 impact on any of the three departments that are requesting 18 it, and let this Court decide where they think it ought to 19 go. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: What was Road and Bridge's plan to 21 use it for? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be Charlie Hastings' 23 new vehicle. And the -- you know, I will say that I'm not 24 sure what the mileage is on the vehicle. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very low. 5-27-14 36 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Very low? Just from a -- and I 2 haven't -- I've talked to Tim; I know he needs a vehicle. To 3 me, this vehicle might meet -- or probably meets Road and 4 Bridge's need for Charlie more than Maintenance, just because 5 of the type of vehicle it is and low mileage. It's one that 6 -- that can be used all over the county, whereas a 7 Maintenance vehicle will be primarily -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Maintenance needs a -- a 9 three-quarter ton? That's what you told me, Tim. 10 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, it would be nice to have a 11 three-quarter-ton truck, especially, you know, if the budget 12 goes as planned. And it would be nice to have a 13 three-quarter-ton pickup truck for the guys to be able to 14 haul the equipment around, the lawnmowers and stuff like 15 that, when they're mowing at these facilities. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: So you would need a three-quarter- 17 ton more than a half-ton? Which is -- this one's a half-ton. 18 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Only thing I would look at is, 20 I don't know, having never seen what the interior of this 21 vehicle looks like -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's clean. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Really nice. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, the reason being -- and 25 knowing this from ones we use, okay, like my outside trustee 5-27-14 37 1 guys that's working outside a lot, if it's cloth seats, 2 they'll get ruined in nothing flat 'cause of the dirt and 3 grime coming in. If it's vinyl seats, you can wipe them off, 4 okay? You know, there is that, 'cause we have one that is 5 really in bad shape just because of the -- the ins and outs 6 of it. So, I don't know, but whatever this Court wishes. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, to me, it -- Charlie 8 Hastings doesn't need -- I visited with him on this -- does 9 not need a three-quarter ton truck. I mean, he's going to -- 10 you know, he's going to be more going from site to site, 11 examining. He needs a truck with better fuel mileage; needs 12 a smaller truck. It's got a short bed on the back; it's not 13 for hauling stuff. That's the reason why I said for 14 Maintenance, it really doesn't fit their needs. It certainly 15 can be used by the Sheriff for one of his investigators. But 16 I also would think, to me, a car might be better for -- 17 something closed in the back for your investigators would 18 make more sense to me, but, you know, you drive -- 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Where they go, no. But -- but 20 I don't care; we can draw straws. Doesn't matter to me. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is not a four-wheel, 22 either. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, most of mine aren't. I 24 only have a few four-wheel drive vehicles. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5-27-14 38 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Sheriff, you have an 2 extensive fleet of vehicles. If you were to get this pickup, 3 would you have another one available maybe for the short term 4 that Maintenance could utilize? 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Only thing I have to look 6 at -- not short-term maintenance, because I don't have a 7 three -- 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, short term for 9 Maintenance. I mean, -- 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Only thing -- 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- for a year or two, they 12 could get by with it. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If it were, I have to look at 14 which ones were purchased with seized money and which ones 15 weren't. I can't give them a seized money-purchased vehicle; 16 it has to be used for law enforcement. And the other thing 17 is, most of them I have, as you've seen in that letter, the 18 mileage is -- and especially in those type of vehicles, I 19 don't know that I would even have one that I would try and 20 pawn off on Tim. (Laughter.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: I suggest that we allow Charlie 22 Hastings and the Sheriff to consult about it, and see if you 23 can reach an agreement about it. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. I don't think it's -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: If you reach an agreement -- 5-27-14 39 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Rock, paper, scissors. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think Commissioner Baldwin's 3 point is good. I think we should make sure they don't need 4 one out there. I think -- and Jason's here. We can visit 5 with him about that. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I don't know how long it's 7 going to take to solve that problem out there. And it seems 8 to me that if we go ahead and use this vehicle, transfer it 9 somewhere where it can be used, it makes a lot more sense. 10 And if it turns out we got to have another one out there, 11 then, with a new director of the -- of that facility out 12 there, then we can -- we can arrange to get another one at 13 that time. But I'm leaning towards that director not having 14 a vehicle, when we get one. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Charlie and I can discuss it. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll make a decision at our 18 next meeting. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that okay with you, Sheriff? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Oh, yeah. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll delay action on 22 that until the next meeting, then. All right? Hopefully, 23 you guys will come up with a mediated settlement agreement. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Are you going to mediate for 25 us, Judge? (Laughter.) 5-27-14 40 1 JUDGE POLLARD: No, sir, I've got confidence in you 2 guys. All right, let's go to 1.10. That fellow, Mr. Bowman, 3 withdrew that, and says he's going to come back later, so 4 we'll skip 1.10. 1.11 is consider, discuss, and take 5 appropriate action to renew the teen curfew for Kerr County 6 for an additional year. Sheriff Hierholzer? 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is the same exact teen 8 curfew we've had in place for -- I think since about 2001 9 now, if I'm not mistaken. It's a very useful tool. It 10 prevents kids that are younger than 17 years of age from 11 being out -- there are exceptions, of course -- from 12:01 12 a.m. to 6 a.m. every day of the week. There are a lot of 13 exceptions to it that are stated in the curfew itself, 14 whether it's a school-sponsored activity, employment, a 15 parent sending them on an errand or whatever. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Emergency. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Emergency, any of that kind of 18 stuff. It is a very useful tool for us in law enforcement 19 out in the county. We probably have not written more than 20 one or two actual citations a year. We have forms that go 21 along with it which are warning forms, where when we find 22 these kids out wandering the streets that shouldn't be out 23 there, probably getting into mischief, we take them back home 24 and fill out one of the warning forms, and actually give it 25 to the parents and let the parents know that these kids are 5-27-14 41 1 not supposed to be out during that -- those time -- those 2 hours. And so it has been very useful, and I would encourage 3 that we continue it. City of Kerrville does not have one. 4 City of Ingram does. I think they're rewriting theirs to 5 match more of ours, or they asked for a copy of ours the 6 other day. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Does ours apply in the city? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Huh? 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Does our curfew apply in the city? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. We just chase all the 11 kids in the city, which doesn't bother me either. If they 12 don't want to enact one, that's their prerogative. But it is 13 an extremely useful tool, and I'd encourage that it be -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Extremely useful in the county. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: In the county. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is it well-known? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is it well-known that it -- 19 'cause I had forgotten about it. It's been some time. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's well-known among the 21 kids. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that was my -- that was 23 my real question. Is it well-known by them? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Move for approval, Judge. 5-27-14 42 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Third. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded, and third. 5 Is there any further discussion? If not, those in favor, 6 signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0. Okay, thank you. All 9 right, we'll go to 1.12; consider, discuss, and take 10 appropriate action to award the bid for the inmate telephone 11 system. Sheriff Hierholzer. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It actually says 10 o'clock, 13 and it's 9:45. I don't mind, but -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- we may have to wait till 16 10:00. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll skip over that and 18 go to -- everything is timed after that. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 14 and 15. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Even though they're 22 under it, they're not timed. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.14; consider, discuss 24 and take appropriate action regarding acceptance of a gift of 25 property from C.A. Habermacher located at 115 Valley View 5-27-14 43 1 Drive in Kerrville. Commissioner Baldwin. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. We were 3 notified that there was a piece of property owned by -- I 4 guess by Mr. Habermacher. I haven't seen him in a number of 5 years, but I do remember him, and I understand there was a 6 Mr. King's name on something as well. 7 MS. STEBBINS: That's his son. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That would be the son. And 9 there's a lot over across from the little school off of 10 Ranchero Road that they want to donate to the County. It's 11 a -- there's a blank lot next to it that they cleaned up and 12 keep mowed, and then on the other side of it is a residence. 13 And the piece of property we're dealing with is a -- is real 14 thick cedar, you know, that they cleaned up. I don't know 15 what we'd use it for, but -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: What school are you talking about? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: On Ranchero Road. 18 MS. STEBBINS: Nimitz. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Nimitz Elementary. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that the one you showed me out 21 there one day on the curb, we were standing there? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's next to it. Sure is. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, it's adjacent, then, to some 24 property the County already owns? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. No. It's like -- the 5-27-14 44 1 property that we looked at that day is on the left. This is 2 the street to the right. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right next to the school 5 that goes up there. It's right up there a little ways on the 6 right. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think you have a map in 8 here. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That would be to the south of 11 where -- the property that we own for the -- what could be 12 the fire station? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not contiguous, but you 16 could hit one with a rock. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's back up here, okay. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mm-hmm. And -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what's our policy on 20 accepting something? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, we can do that. What 22 my intentions were today were to just turn -- turn it over to 23 the County Attorney and ask her to prepare the documents, to 24 visit with the family or whatever it takes to -- to get the 25 thing transferred, and then bring it back, and we'll look at 5-27-14 45 1 it at that point. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess -- do we want it? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's my question. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I don't know. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When I say "policy," what's -- 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't see the use for it. 7 But, you know, if we feel like we need to own something -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Has there been any expression that 9 it has to be used for any particular purpose? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: They're willing to make the gift 12 with no strings attached? 13 MS. STEBBINS: So it seems, yes, sir. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, if we find that we have no 15 use for it and declare it as excess, then it would be sold. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: So it would be as if it's -- as if 18 it's a cash gift to the County. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's correct. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Now does that sound better? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, that -- I think that 22 needs to be clear to the property owners, that it may be 23 sold. And -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: To the people that are 25 donating it? 5-27-14 46 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I don't want -- I guess 3 I look at it as if we have a piece of property; there's some 4 maintenance that goes along with it, and if people start 5 using it as a dump site, then we have to clean it up. I 6 don't want it to be a cost. If they just want to donate it, 7 then we can sell it. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree with you. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then I'm more in favor of it. 10 I don't know if we just want to get property; then we end up 11 with a lot we don't know what to do with. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I suggest we just make it 13 known to them that we would probably declare it excess and 14 sell it. If they still want to make the gift, that's fine. 15 If they don't want to make the gift, then thank them for 16 their thoughts. 17 MS. STEBBINS: Okay. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay? How about that? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's good. And so I'd 20 just like to turn it over to the County Attorney at that 21 point to do -- prepare all of that, and bring it back to us. 22 I don't know that there needs to be a court order or not. 23 Would you prefer a court order that we do that? 24 MS. STEBBINS: Do you want to authorize me to make 25 -- enter into conversation with the property owner and see 5-27-14 47 1 whether or not they want to give it to us even if we turn 2 around and sell it? And then if they do, to prepare the 3 necessary documents? 4 JUDGE POLLARD: I guess we could call it a 5 conditional acceptance, if that's what they want to do having 6 been informed of all of the facts. Yeah, I think we ought to 7 have some kind of -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, I move that we authorize 9 the County Attorney to do those negotiations. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: And to accept it if it's their 11 decision -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: -- to proceed with giving it to the 14 County? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we can accept it 16 until -- I think we have to bring it back a second time to 17 authorize you to -- I mean, to sign the deed. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is just for her to go -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't sign the deed. They do. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, that's true. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: They do. It's not anything for us 22 to do. It's going to be up to them what they want to do. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right? 25 MS. STEBBINS: Okay, I'll talk to them. 5-27-14 48 1 JUDGE POLLARD: And you're authorized to negotiate 2 with them, and then -- is the motion that she's authorized to 3 accept it if they do intend to go through with it? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure, if we can do that. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the fact that it might be 6 sold? 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 8 MS. STEBBINS: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 11 seconded. Any further discussion? If none, signify by 12 raising your right hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 4-0. All right, 1.15; 15 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to approve 16 reappointment of the Airport Board members Corey Walters, 17 Bill Wood, and Kirk Griffin. These are -- these are folks 18 that have served on the Airport Board and done a good job. I 19 suggest we just go ahead and reappoint all of them. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: No, I didn't make a motion. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, I thought you did. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 5-27-14 49 1 seconded. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They've all done a good job on 5 this, and they're all -- I'm glad they're all -- especially 6 Corey's willing to serve another term, 'cause he has a lot of 7 experience. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Further discussion? None? Those 9 in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 10 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Right hand, Mr. Baldwin. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Excuse me. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The other right. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I know the difference. 15 (Laughter.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's skip down to 17 1.17; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 18 appoint Dené Huffaker to Kerr County Emergency Services 19 District Number 2. Commissioner Reeves. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Your Honor. This will 21 -- appointment will fill the board to its required five 22 members, and therefore, they do not have to worry about any 23 quorum status. Mrs. Huffaker has volunteered for the 24 position. I was having difficulty finding somebody to serve. 25 She volunteered. So, I would make a motion to appoint her. 5-27-14 50 1 JUDGE POLLARD: So she's the only applicant? 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: For this one, yes. We 3 appointed another one last meeting, so the -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second that motion. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? If not, 6 then those in favor of that motion, signify by raising your 7 right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. It's 4-0. All right, 10 we'll go to 1.17; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 11 action -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was 1.17. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, it was, I'm sorry. 1.18; 14 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding Hill 15 Country District Junior Livestock Show placing a second 16 storage container adjacent to the project barn at Hill 17 Country Youth Event Center. Commissioner Reeves. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, sir. At the present 19 time, the Livestock Show Association has one storage 20 container adjacent to the project barn. With the demolition 21 of the buildings, the show moved everything that they had in 22 the attic to their storage building. It's full to capacity, 23 but you -- if you need something in the back, you've got to 24 unload the entire front. There's been a donation of a second 25 container, which I believe Mr. Bauer can give us the facts 5-27-14 51 1 and figures on that, if he would. But the show would like to 2 have it placed adjacent to the existing one. 3 MR. BAUER: Good morning, gentlemen. There has 4 been, like Commissioner Reeves stated, a donation of a 5 40-foot dry van to the association to be placed out there to 6 use for storage. It no longer can be used on the road. We 7 propose to take it out there and knock the axles down out 8 from under it, the landing gear, and set on it blocking so 9 that it's not -- doesn't look like just a trailer standing 10 out there; it does look like a container. This will give us 11 ample room to store our stuff for our fundraiser and all our 12 activities that we need. As he stated, we lost our storage 13 upstairs, which we had a lot of our stuff stored there. So, 14 that's what we're asking, for permission. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Is this a temporary thing, or 16 something permanent? 17 MR. BAUER: No, it would be permanent. I mean, 18 we'll knock the axles down and set it down on the ground. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The show needs it for the 20 scales and the heavy equipment right now. 21 MR. BAUER: We have scales we maintain all year 22 that have to be stored. We have our wagons that we use to 23 help exhibitors move in. We have all our signage that we use 24 throughout the show. We have the decorations for the 25 different functions that we have. We have files we have to 5-27-14 52 1 keep on file for "X" number of years. All those things are 2 stored in those containers right now. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think my thought might be in 4 line with what the Judge's question was; that, you know, 5 certainly in the short term -- "short term" being maybe five 6 years -- no problem with some of this. But I hate to have it 7 look like a junkyard out there. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's, I guess, where I'm -- 10 and if we can figure out a way to get a permanent storage 11 facility, you know, we're still looking at River Star. 12 What's going on with all that, we're not sure. There's other 13 structures and things possible. But, certainly, you need 14 something right away. 15 MR. BAUER: Yes, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, like, the -- but some sort 17 of, like, five-year limit, and then come back to us. 18 MR. BAUER: And it can be picked up. I mean, you 19 know, we're just trying to -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You need something now. 21 MR. BAUER: -- get it down to ground level and use 22 it. 23 MS. STEBBINS: Five years wouldn't be a problem. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Steve, where would it be 25 located? 5-27-14 53 1 MR. BAUER: Right next to the existing one we have 2 out there right now, which is on the east side of the project 3 right there, kind of where the storage for other -- I think 4 Juvenile has one that's sitting back there as well. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, back there. 6 MR. BAUER: Yes, sir. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's other stuff stored 9 there. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, okay. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. It's -- 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And there's room there, isn't 13 there, Tim? 14 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, what would they do, then, if 16 we put a limit on it and they still needed storage there? 17 Come back to extend it? Or -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: What's another -- where would you 20 find some storage in it? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'd have to work with them on 22 it. 23 MR. BAUER: Yeah. 24 MR. BOLLIER: Are we going to keep the one that's 25 there out there? Okay. 5-27-14 54 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know that we ought to 2 put a limit on it, necessarily, 'cause I think we'll forget. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: That's what I was getting at. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I know I'll forget. Probably won't 6 even be alive. 7 MR. BOLLIER: Don't say that. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, you know, this is a -- 9 MR. BAUER: No, we understand your concern. We 10 want it to be neat and orderly, and that's why we said -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Need something permanent at 12 some point, you know. I make a motion to authorize the -- 13 the Hill Country District Junior Livestock Show placing a 14 second storage container adjacent to the project barn at Hill 15 Country Youth Event Center until such time as the County 16 notifies you otherwise, which will be at least two years. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Any 20 further discussion? Thank you, Steve. 21 MR. BAUER: Thank you. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: If there's no further discussion, 23 those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It's unanimous, 4-0. All right. 5-27-14 55 1 Is it close enough to 10 o'clock now? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Pretty close. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's go to 1.12; consider, 4 discuss, and take appropriate action to award the bid for the 5 inmate telephone system. Sheriff Hierholzer. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. As you recall, in the 7 last Commissioners Court, we opened the bids. We had five 8 competitors that bid for the inmate phone system. Of course, 9 this is not something that is bid-required, because it's not 10 something that costs the county over 50,000. But to get the 11 best deal from the vendors, I felt that we needed to go out 12 for bids. We've had the same company for ten years coming up 13 as their deadline. After -- and thanks to John and I.T., we 14 narrowed it down to two final -- finalists, you might say. 15 And then in visiting with them, we decided that the company 16 Infinity, I-n-f-i-n-i-t-y, would probably be the best one for 17 the inmate phone system. Part of that, their percentage that 18 the county sheriff's office commissary account makes off of 19 it is lower, but the main reason I looked at it is with a lot 20 of the inmates on phone calls and that, all calls going out 21 cost them, okay? And then most of the time it's costing 22 their family, not the inmate, 'cause they're not making much 23 money, and their fees -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Hopefully not making any. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You might say their fees -- 5-27-14 56 1 some of them were pretty high, where just to set up an 2 account may be $10. So, the first $10 is just opening their 3 account with that company, and then every time they -- they 4 do a debit card or anything like that to recharge that 5 account is another $10. So, there's a lot of those hidden 6 fees that I felt were exorbitant. And with what our goals 7 are and how we do it, the best one we all came up with -- I 8 think John agrees -- was Infinity, so that's who I would 9 recommend that the County approve. And what we will do at 10 that time is I will get a contract from them that will be 11 given to the County Attorney to review and go over, and then 12 have her approve the contract as long as it's written 13 correctly. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So it sounds like we're going 15 to delay action on it until a contract -- 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't think you need to 17 delay action. I would just recommend that you approve 18 Infinity as being the inmate phone system, subject to the 19 approval of the County Attorney on the contract. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Not my approval, but I don't know 21 if you need -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for the -- to approve 23 that. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further discussion on 5-27-14 57 1 it? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Question. Rusty, do you -- 3 they don't -- they're not -- they don't make, like, collect 4 calls? 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They can, and they get billed 6 for a certain amount of those. I'll give you kind of an 7 example, okay? One of the companies -- 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are there any other features 9 that they have that you didn't have prior? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Not really. The one -- this 11 one, one of the big advantages is it will work with our 12 commissary system, so that the inmates can make their 13 commissary orders that they do each week, where we've been 14 having to do them by hand, filling out little bubble sheets, 15 and then it's ordered. It will be able to be done over the 16 phone system. Inmates can make their own commissary orders 17 over the phone, saving me manpower and time. But some of 18 them are even a -- some of these companies even had a bill 19 rendering fee, anywhere from 2.50 to 3.50, where every time 20 they send out you a bill, it's going to cost them $2.50. 21 Just a lot of those hidden fees that I felt were -- in some 22 cases, you know, that may cost -- just to make one phone 23 call, it's going to cost the family at least $15 before the 24 phone's even connected. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just for my edification, is 5-27-14 58 1 this a system that you're required to provide to the inmates? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we don't want to pay for 3 all those phone calls ourselves. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay? And this way -- inmates 6 need to have a phone system. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They have to be able to make a 8 phone call? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We don't want to pay for them, 10 okay? I don't think the County should. This way, the inmate 11 pays for it; the County makes a little bit of money off of 12 it. But I also don't think it should be an exorbitant amount 13 that the family has to pay for. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Actually, the County makes 15 enough money to pay for what -- what they charge us? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They don't charge us anything. 17 The County just makes a percentage off it. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Are there -- just curiosity, 20 how many phones? I mean -- 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I have -- for inmate phones 22 back there in the jail, we have 24 phones, and about three 23 roll-around phones, so it's about 27 phones in all. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That are in that facility. 5-27-14 59 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Good, thorough job as always. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And every one of them's 3 recorded. Every one of them can be listened into for 4 investigative purposes and everything else, so it does help a 5 lot of ways. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did we vote? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Nobody voted yet. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Do you want to offer a 11 motion on it? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have a motion and a 13 second, I think. 14 MS. PIEPER: Yes, you do. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. Those in favor 16 of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 17 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 18 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0. All right, that takes 19 care of that one. Let's see. The next one would be 20 consider, discuss -- this will be 1.13; consider, discuss, 21 and take appropriate action on interest in Kerr County filing 22 a resolution regarding 3H Youth Ranch. Sheriff Hierholzer 23 and Commissioner Reeves. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you, Judge. Just for 25 the benefit of those on the Court that may not know about 3H 5-27-14 60 1 Pathways Youth Ranch, it's a facility for juveniles located 2 in the west end of the county, right off I-10 past Midway 3 exit. It's been in existence for quite a few years. A lot 4 of the residents out there have participated in the livestock 5 show. They have their own 4-H club out there, and they -- 6 they've volunteered their time out at the livestock show over 7 the years. That's just to give you kind of a background of 8 it. But the reason I placed this on the agenda, two weeks 9 ago, I believe, Thursday, as I was driving home, I noticed 10 that -- I met three of Sheriff Hierholzer's deputies in a 11 very short time frame out towards my house, towards I-10. 12 And having been looking at the budget, I realized that at any 13 one time, there's only four to five -- if that's correct, 14 Rusty? -- deputies on duty at one time in any of the county, 15 so I kind of wondered what was going on. 16 Next morning, I found out that a number of 17 individuals had allegedly left the facility without 18 permission. There were a number of break-ins in that area. 19 Now, whether they were related or not, I'll let the -- let 20 the Sheriff speak to that part of it. But as I started 21 getting phone calls immediately Friday morning, I believe 22 Commissioner Baldwin got notified, and he was calling his 23 mother-in-law about -- worried about safety. I know 24 Mr. Bauer and a number of people called, worried about it. I 25 see a number of them in the audience, which I know they want 5-27-14 61 1 to speak this morning. Sheriff Hierholzer has compiled some 2 reports, which I would like him to share, and I've also 3 spoken with staff out at 3H Pathways about what is going on. 4 But I think the Court should be aware of the situation when 5 the number of officers that are out there, the rest of our 6 county is very under-protected because of the manpower that's 7 needed to be out there. So, Sheriff, if you want to say 8 anything? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If I could, I'd like to let 10 the residents that are here, at least, first get up and -- 11 and have their voice heard by this Court. And then after 12 they do, then I will get up and explain the action that I've 13 taken up to this point. But I think that we should hear from 14 those residents. I'd encouraged some of them to be here and 15 to write letters, and I've received at least six letters from 16 residents out there, and I just -- I think they should be 17 able to get on the record and let this Court listen to what 18 they have to say. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody want to stand up? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Anybody want to -- 21 MR. ALEXANDER: I'll go first. I'm Brian 22 Alexander, fire chief at Mountain Home. I've been living in 23 Mountain Home for 12 years. I'm a hop, skip, and a jump from 24 3H. In 12 years, I have not seen any improvement of trying 25 to keep those kids in. The last two years, it's gotten 5-27-14 62 1 worse. Like I said, two weeks ago they broke in; they stole 2 a gun. We -- I actually talked to one of the kids that took 3 the gun. His comment was they stole a gun for protection. 4 We have people that live out there. They're worried about 5 it. My fear is something's going to happen down the road. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Did they steal some ammunition too? 7 MR. ALEXANDER: Yes, sir. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Did they use the firearm? 9 MR. ALEXANDER: Yes, sir. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Use up a lot of the ammunition 11 also? 12 MR. ALEXANDER: Yes. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: What else did they steal? 14 MR. ALEXANDER: Darrell can -- he's the one that 15 mostly they stole stuff from. My -- then they tore up a 16 travel trailer, brand spanking new one. They tore it up, 17 travel trailer. Like I said, if we don't do something about 18 it, something's going to happen. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Is this an isolated event? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I can address that in a little 21 bit, Judge. 22 MR. ALEXANDER: Yeah. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I need to know who operates this 24 place too, and where do the funds come from? Is it a 25 religious organization, charitable or what? 5-27-14 63 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'll explain a lot of that, 2 Judge. 3 MR. DIERINGER: My name is Darrell Dieringer, a 4 resident at Mountain Home. I'm also with Mountain Home Fire 5 Department. My house is one of the ones that was broken 6 into. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Your son was home at the time? 8 MR. DIERINGER: My son had just got home. It 9 scared the heck out of him. My wife is scared to live out 10 there now. I mean, they -- they went through my front door, 11 broke the glass in. They stole my wife's 380 Bersa pistol. 12 Two boxes of bullets were stolen. They stole stuff from the 13 other side of the bedroom in there. They did go back to my 14 son's room, took lots of items. We really don't know what 15 all still. We still -- we found things that were -- that we 16 found that we -- that wasn't reported. My wife's iPad was 17 taken out of the house, taken across the fence. Brian 18 Alexander and I, that night, we were searching, after the 19 Sheriff's Office left and this happened, across the fence at 20 Mr. Edward Secor's place. There's a picnic table where he 21 parks his travel trailer for hunting purposes, and luckily, 22 the travel trailer was gone, but we did find a lot of our 23 stuff there. My wife's iPad was lying there crashed, 24 smooshed. And there's still items that we haven't found that 25 we know of. 5-27-14 64 1 I mean, they -- between where they got out on the 2 ranch, there was a house next door to them that was broken 3 into. There's a house off of Rough Creek that was broken 4 into. Like Brian said, on the -- on the -- in our gravel pit 5 area across the road, a lot of -- two trailers -- travel 6 trailers, hunting cabins were broken into. This was after 7 they -- after we had -- I stayed home Friday morning, looking 8 and just being careful, 'cause we knew the kids were still 9 out. And on Thursday night, there was some houses that were 10 checked by people who live out there, and then Friday 11 afternoon, after the -- after we caught the kids -- the 12 Sheriff's Department was out there and caught the kids. The 13 house was broken into after they left my place that night. 14 And I just don't, you know, think they need to let these kids 15 run around. There's no security out there that I know of. 16 There's regular fences; the kids leave all the time. Also, 17 there is a trash pickup that is on highway -- on Junction 18 Highway and 27 past my house, and goes up toward the -- the 19 Mountain Home Post Office that these kids run around and they 20 -- you know, they do pick up trash, but still, these kids are 21 being able to just spot the country out and look, see what's 22 out there. You know, I see a van sitting out a ways to the 23 side of the line picking up trash, and the kids are half a 24 mile down the road down here, and I don't think there's any 25 -- anybody that's been watching these kids when they're doing 5-27-14 65 1 it. You know, people are sitting in the van picking -- you 2 know, waiting for them to pick up trash. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: How old are these kids? 4 MR. DIERINGER: One was 14, and two were 16 years 5 old. And just -- you know, with the people who live out 6 there, I've heard something about the post office -- post 7 office had been broken into at Mountain Home. There's people 8 that complain about mailboxes being opened up. People are 9 getting prescription drugs who live out there. These kids 10 are taking them. Now, I have some letters here that were 11 sent in to the Sheriff; I have copies of them. I have two 12 more to give to the Sheriff this morning, one from myself and 13 my wife that I have written. And I just don't think that 14 this should go on, unless there is a high fence put around 15 that place with razor wire, 24-hour security, and cameras on 16 this place to keep these kids in. Something has to be done. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Darrell, did I hear you 18 right, that your wife is afraid to go back to your home now? 19 MR. DIERINGER: She is, yeah. And my son is also, 20 yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is all obviously a 22 violation of the law. What -- what is -- and I guess Rusty's 23 going to tell us -- 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Once the residents have their 25 say, then I'll be more than happy. 5-27-14 66 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Careful, guys. These are 2 juveniles, and I can tell you they've been in my court, and 3 we can't be talking about that, okay? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but what I'm asking is, 5 where are we going with this discussion? It's bad, okay? 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: All right. If there aren't 7 any other ones I know -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What authority does the Court 9 have? 10 MS. BLOYS: If you don't mind -- 11 MR. BOLLIER: Are these kids in trouble? 12 MS. BLOYS: Hi, I'm Evelyn Bloys. I don't actually 13 live out in Mountain Home, but we do have property. I live 14 here in town. We've had these kids come onto our place two 15 times that I actually know about. There has been destruction 16 of property. There is another time that I can't prove it 17 where fences were cut. There was some damage, but again, I 18 cannot prove it. We have a young family that lives out 19 there; they just had a brand-new baby. They rent a house out 20 there from us. They also lease the grazing rights. I'm 21 afraid that it's coming to the point where they're going to 22 say, "We're done, it's not safe; we're afraid." And if that 23 happens, we lose our income; we can't pay the property taxes. 24 So, this is threatening our livelihood, not just -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: How far is Pathways from your 5-27-14 67 1 property? 2 MS. BLOYS: As the crow flies, I'm not sure. We're 3 at Exit 490. We're kind of wedged between 27, 41, and I-10, 4 so as the crow flies, probably 2, 3 miles. But, like I said, 5 they've been on our place twice that I know of, and other 6 times that I'm pretty sure it was them. And like the others 7 have said, this has been going on for years and years and 8 years, and it seems like the State is doing nothing to help 9 us out out there, and it's getting to -- it's a critical 10 situation. It's going to end up with -- somebody's going to 11 be seriously injured or killed before all this is over. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, ma'am. 13 MS. BLOYS: Yes, sir. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Anyone else want to address that 15 issue? 16 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. My name is Tim Bollier; I 17 work for the Maintenance Department here at Kerr County. I 18 live out there off of 479, and I've lived out there for 29 19 years. This is the first time I've ever heard of this place. 20 I didn't even know it existed. So, my question to the Court 21 is, what kind of facility is this? I have no idea. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we're asking that same 23 question here, and I think the Sheriff will be able to answer 24 quite a bit. 25 MR. BOLLIER: My biggest fear is, I've been out 5-27-14 68 1 there 28 years; I know a whole lot of those people that live 2 out there, you know, and if these kids are living there and 3 not being where they're supposed to be, lots of those people 4 out there are old-time ranchers. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: They may take care of the problem? 6 MR. BOLLIER: They may take care of the problem. 7 That's not going to be a good thing. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 9 MR. BOLLIER: Especially if they get over there 10 where I live, because there's a whole lot of people out there 11 that have been there a long time. So, I'm just asking what 12 this is. I've never heard of it till now. That's my biggest 13 thing. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Speaking of old-timers, I 16 see Rex out here. Do you have anything to say, Rex? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Rex may not appreciate that 18 allegation. 19 MR. BRAND: I'm Rex Brand; I live about a half mile 20 south of where Darrell lives, where they broke into. I know 21 it upset my wife real bad. She's real unhappy about it. 22 Another place they broke into was on the south side of me. I 23 adjoin Evelyn Bloys right on the south side of hers, so we're 24 all in line there. But they went through my neighbor's place 25 south of me, kicked in the door of his cabin and, you know, 5-27-14 69 1 did damage. They went through our place -- actually, I think 2 they caught two of them on our place up by our front gate. 3 So, to me, it's probably -- there's a need for the facility, 4 but I think you need some type of security on it where they 5 can, you know, maintain -- keep control of the kids, make 6 sure where they are at all times and, you know, solve this 7 problem. But it's -- you know, we're concerned about it. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Thanks. 9 MR. BRAND: Thank you. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, Rex. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody else want to address the 12 issue? If not, I'd ask Sheriff Hierholzer to fill us in, 13 please. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. A lot of these kids are 15 placed out there by Child Protective Services. They are kids 16 that have some extreme hardships; there's no doubt about 17 that. They're taken away from their family, or family 18 members, you know, nonexistent or elsewhere or whatever. But 19 I have -- back in November, we sent a letter to Licensing of 20 the Department of Family Services -- Family and Protective 21 Services. We never got a response from them at all. So, I 22 have sent another letter as of May the 20th; I'd like to read 23 that letter to this Court, and you'll understand what the 24 issues are. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Rusty, may I ask you a 5-27-14 70 1 question? What is the facility? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No one has said what it is. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's a place where -- in fact, 5 I think somebody from 3H Pathways is here. 6 MR. JOHNSON: I'm here. I wouldn't mind speaking. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Let's let him speak before 8 I -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Just -- I don't know 10 what it is, other than -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Appreciate you coming, sir. I 12 didn't know you were here, or I'd have asked you before. 13 MR. JOHNSON: Very good. Thank you, Rusty. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Uh-huh. 15 MR. JOHNSON: My name's Dan Johnson, and I'm 16 actually the president of Pathways Youth and Family Services. 17 3H Youth Ranch has actually been there for -- since 1990, so 18 about 24 years. They've taken care of over 1,200 children. 19 We were described -- and I understand people don't know what 20 we do, but you don't put out highlight signs saying that you 21 work with abused and neglected children. That's what we do. 22 90 percent of our kids come from abuse and neglect 23 backgrounds, not from juvenile justice. And Pathways itself 24 was asked to take over that facility around 2002, because it 25 just had had a really tough time managing. These boys are 5-27-14 71 1 mostly teenagers. We're licensed for the age of 12 to 18 2 years of age. I think our average age right now is around 15 3 years old. And not -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: How many kids do you have there 5 now? 6 MR. JOHNSON: I think 41. About 41. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Where's your funding come from? 8 MR. JOHNSON: State of Texas mostly. Counties 9 across the state, some private, but by and large, it's from 10 the Department of Family and Protective Services, and we've 11 had a contract for -- since 1990 with the department. 12 Pathways itself operates in around, I think, over 80 13 counties. In our care is over 650 children. To give you 14 some history, we do about 150, 250 adoptions a year. We have 15 taken care of, in our history, over 22,000 children and kept 16 them safe. What I will say, and I'm, you know, anxious to 17 speak to you about, is that, you know, we're not proud of how 18 our emergency management team has behaved on this property, 19 and we are addressing it. It's not something that we learned 20 about yesterday, and we didn't start planning because we 21 learned this was on the agenda. Six months ago, we started 22 trying to find and hire the right management team. We've 23 added a number of things, and a lot of our facility 24 improvements are going to address people's concerns that 25 we've got in place. 5-27-14 72 1 So, one of the things that I've made for y'all is 2 our own action plan that we've put together for our facility 3 to make it safer, create a safer environment for our kids. 4 And one of the issues is -- is we actually -- you know, kids 5 get away. These are teenage boys. It scares me when they 6 get on the interstate, Sheriff, and -- you know, that alone 7 in itself is a bad enough issue. Breaking into anyone's home 8 is completely unacceptable to us. It's completely 9 unacceptable, and -- and I can't apologize enough for that 10 having happened. You know, if there's damage that we can pay 11 for, we will. I'll just say it that way, and you'll just 12 have to talk to me about that. If you've got questions for 13 me, I'd be glad to answer -- answer any of them, or if you 14 want to just see -- 15 JUDGE POLLARD: How many incidents have there been? 16 MR. JOHNSON: Of runaways? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Mm-hmm. 18 MR. JOHNSON: Well, one of the things that we 19 found -- and I think the Sheriff will speak to this -- is it 20 looked to me like part of my management team was using the 21 Sheriff's Office as a 12th man, and whenever there was 22 anybody that disappeared, we call that ESS'ing, so when they 23 get away from supervision for 30 minutes, we call the 24 Sheriff's Office. That's not required by law. We have to 25 report runaways in 24 hours. And I don't think we want to 5-27-14 73 1 get to a place where we don't call the Sheriff's Office, but 2 I will also tell you that there was no need for us to do it 3 that fast, and many of those times we could have gotten those 4 kids ourselves. In fact, they were still on our land. 5 You'll see -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm still looking for a number, a 7 frequency of how often this happens. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'll address what we've had, 9 your Honor. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 11 MR. JOHNSON: Yeah, I think that's the best, most 12 accurate number to say how often they've called. I wouldn't 13 know. One of our issues we've learned is our reporting in 14 our system, and they weren't useful to us in the sense we 15 could react to them on a day-to-day basis. We've brought in 16 new leadership, and that new leadership came April the 28th. 17 This individual is a highly skilled, trained person that has 18 already started working on making sure that we do a better 19 job of ESS management; that, in fact, before those kinds of 20 incidences even take place, we've taken the actions to stop 21 them well before they happen. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's "ESS" stand for? 23 MR. JOHNSON: They're escaping supervision. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 MR. JOHNSON: Okay. Because the L.C.R.A. lines -- 5-27-14 74 1 I'll just summarize what our report says. You know, no one's 2 that thrilled about L.C.R.A. lines going across their land, 3 but they came across the front of our property and basically 4 went right over the top of our school. Pathways has 115 5 acres, and that makes us try to operate and control 115 6 acres. And because of that, though, we stopped building a 7 cafeteria and an auditorium on our grounds. That was in the 8 center of our property, and we waited to see what was going 9 to happen with L.C.R.A., and have since made a school and 10 moved our administration further into the facility, and are 11 in the process of reducing our footprint down to about 35 12 acres where we really operate our R.T.C., around that area. 13 We are going to a high fence, and you'll see that we're 14 putting a tremendous amount of security controls in. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: What's -- what structure is 16 Pathways? Are they a charitable corporation? 17 MR. JOHNSON: It's a nonprofit organization. So 18 Pathways -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Government-subsidized? 20 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, sir. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mr. Johnson, could you tell 23 me, what is the percentage of, like, runaway child or 24 Court-ordered -- 25 MR. JOHNSON: Well, that's kind of a difficult 5-27-14 75 1 thing, because, like, in the abuse and neglect cases, many of 2 those kids come into care at five, six, seven, so when we get 3 them at 15 and 18 and 13, they've been at maybe 10 or 15 4 different -- different locations. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did you say that 90 percent 6 of them -- 7 MR. JOHNSON: C.P.S. children. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 9 MR. JOHNSON: But they still would have been in 10 multiple facilities and multiple homes. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not necessarily 12 Court-ordered? 13 MR. JOHNSON: That's right. Sometimes that child 14 still gets Court-ordered in our care because a particular 15 judge may or may not want him there. But, you know, we 16 have -- the University of Texas functions as our charter 17 school. We actually are well-known for getting kids back on 18 grade level. They come to us two and three years behind 19 grade level. They leave nine months to one year later. 20 That's not normal. Most R.T.C.'s raise children. Nine 21 months later, they'll be back on grade level. There's a lot 22 of places and things we do well. Some of the issues were we 23 were managing with too few night staff, we're doubling. The 24 state ratio, we've never been late on that. We don't ever 25 get cited for that, and that's -- you know, they might not 5-27-14 76 1 know what to say, Sheriff, on that issue, but -- but we've 2 raised it to 1-to-4 instead of 1-to-5. And so we're doing a 3 number of things that will actually help us. It's not just 4 if a kid escapes, but is there an extra plan to go chase that 5 boy when he does? And so at all times, we've pretty much 6 tripled the number of extra men that are on the ground. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: What is the ratio of staff to -- 8 MR. JOHNSON: 1-to-5. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: 1-to-5? 10 MR. JOHNSON: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a state requirement? 12 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, sir. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What do you say to our 14 citizens that are scared to go home because of this? 15 MR. JOHNSON: Well, I don't think -- I don't think 16 there's a way to make anybody feel better about that. And, 17 you know, I can't say anything, but I -- you know, I 18 apologize. I know that we're not just going to try; we are 19 doing better. We've done a lot to make sure that we're 20 taking a lot closer scrutiny on our intake process. Our age 21 of boy has been reduced down, and we actually expect that to 22 help us. We've shut down our intake right now until we get 23 our manpower completely retrained. We're not just retraining 24 new people, but we're taking everybody through about 24 hours 25 of training with our new manager to make sure that they 5-27-14 77 1 understand the expectation that we -- we will meet. We're 2 known for doing our work well, and -- and in this particular 3 case, we've done it lousy. And I've got nothing else to say, 4 but, you know, we're responsible for that. We're doing what 5 we can to fix it. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I still have one fundamental 7 question, though. 8 MR. JOHNSON: Yes, sir? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I don't know if it's to 10 the County Attorney. I clearly see the County Sheriff has 11 some authority to do something, but what authority does this 12 Court have to do anything? 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I felt like that the 14 residents out there, that they're afraid; at least be able to 15 come and talk to us about it. You didn't know anything about 16 it? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, no, no. I think that 18 that's good. I'm just asking -- 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We may not have any statutory 20 or -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I know we don't have any 23 zoning requirements that we can do, but they need to talk to 24 us, and I think Sheriff -- the Sheriff maybe can speak a 25 little more to that. 5-27-14 78 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But, you know, any time 3 somebody's scared to go to their home, they need to come be 4 able to talk to us, and feel like we're going to do what we 5 can to -- to take care of it. 6 MR. JOHNSON: I wanted the Sheriff to know the 7 frequency, 'cause I don't think I've known how much they've 8 been called, personally. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Your position out there is what? 10 MR. JOHNSON: I'm -- I don't work there every day. 11 I'm the president of the company, and we're in 12 locations. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 13 MR. JOHNSON: But what I would -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: What -- where do you live? 15 MR. JOHNSON: I live in Leakey, Texas. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a good place to live. 17 MR. JOHNSON: It's a good place to live. I have a 18 ranch in Edwards County, served on our grand jury. I 19 actually was one of the founding members of the Child 20 Advocacy Center for Kerrville. I'm on the board for 21 Methodist Health Care System. I'm a responsible person. We 22 will fix this. And when I talked to Bob Reeves the other 23 day, I told him that we'd be glad to come here on any basis 24 y'all wanted to. I just told you what we're about to do with 25 our action plan there, and it's a living action plan. That 5-27-14 79 1 means as we identify additional things to do, we will be 2 doing them, and give you a report. I don't mind being held 3 accountable at all to fix this. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further questions of him? 5 Thank you, sir. 6 MR. JOHNSON: You're welcome. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, Mr. Johnson. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. First off, I feel like 9 running that facility sometimes would be like the facility I 10 have to run. We opened it '96. I've had two get out of 11 there on the same day, and we've never had another one. It's 12 all about staffing and supervision. Since we went to a 13 computer system in 2001, that I can keep track of, we've had 14 over 700 calls out there. In the last year -- well, let me 15 read you this letter that I sent to Texas Department of 16 Family and Protective Services in Austin. I sent it to their 17 Licensing Division in San Antonio; I sent it to this Court, I 18 sent it to Pathways, and I sent it to the 25 associate judges 19 with C.P.S. that actually place kids there. And I sent this 20 on May 20th. 21 "To whom it may concern: I, Sheriff W.R. Rusty 22 Hierholzer, write this letter out of great concern about 3H 23 Pathways, the local youth ranch in Kerr County. In the last 24 year, my agency has had to respond to at least 60 calls to 25 this place. Listed below are the types of calls we've 5-27-14 80 1 responded to: Runaways, criminal mischief, welfare concerns, 2 suspicious activity, assaults, 911 hang-ups, burglaries, 3 disturbances, threats, sexual assaults, and fire calls. 4 Because of the type of calls listed above, I personally do 5 not feel that this ranch can or is adequately supervising the 6 children placed there. It is my understanding that most of 7 the children placed at this facility are in the custody of 8 Child Protective Services, and that some of them have 9 previously committed criminal acts. In the most recent case, 10 three children ran away and then proceeded to commit multiple 11 residential burglaries, criminal mischiefs, and they stole a 12 firearm. 13 "The Kerr County Sheriff's Office does not have 14 enough personnel to do the youth ranch's job for them. On 15 November 21st, 2013, my agency sent a letter of complaint to 16 C.P.S. Licensing in San Antonio, but to this date there has 17 been no response from them. I am concerned that it is a 18 matter of time before one of these children seriously injures 19 one of the citizens of this county, or worse yet, that one of 20 our resident owners, most of whom are retired, shoots and 21 kills one of these children while they are committing a 22 burglary of a citizen's home. At least one of the children 23 caught recently had run away before and had burglarized the 24 same residence. I have received multiple calls and 25 complaints from residents in the area of this facility over 5-27-14 81 1 concerns for their safety. As Sheriff, I feel strongly that 2 if this facility cannot adequately supervise the children 3 placed in its care, then the facility should be closed." 4 And that's my response. I don't know what this 5 Court can do, but we have a situation. I hope that 6 management can address it and will address it, because in 7 doing the job I've been doing for 34 years, we have got to 8 have a place for these kids that can change their lives and 9 make them responsible adults, there's no doubt. And there 10 are a lot of kids that need that. Some of these kids get 11 placed here from Houston and other areas, and we need to help 12 our kids, but it needs to be in facilities that can 13 adequately supervise them and protect the citizens at the 14 same time. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Protect the kids and protect 16 the citizens' welfare. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Anybody else want to address 19 this issue? If not, I don't think there's anything we can do 20 about it. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, Bob has on there 22 "resolution." Is that something we can do, Bob? That could 23 be -- 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: My biggest thing is that the 25 residents out in the west part of the county, as well as the 5-27-14 82 1 rest of the county, know that they're going to be adequately 2 protected. If Rusty's got to send 60 to 80 percent of his 3 patrol staff west, then what's going to happen with the rest 4 of the county? And I just -- if we can be in support, I 5 would like to be in support of what the Sheriff is doing. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: One thing about last week, I 7 did have to have all but one patrol officer out in that area, 8 because there had been some sightings. We sent out a CodeRED 9 message to all the residents along that area to advise them, 10 because we did have a firearm taken; we had ammunition taken. 11 The next day, a rancher out in that area did spot the kids. 12 Officers, three of them, got there, and we did end up in a 13 foot chase with them. They ended up throwing the firearm 14 into the brush. We had to take several hours to go back and 15 search for it, and we did recover it. The iPad that Darrell 16 was talking about, the reason they smashed it is 'cause they 17 said they could be tracked by GPS, and decided they didn't 18 want that. These aren't dumb kids. But it does and has 19 taken -- I also had four advisers out there all during that 20 time. And I don't have the manpower -- and this Court knows 21 what our manpower situation is. I don't have the manpower to 22 send that many officers that far out in the county at that 23 length of time. And it does -- you know, it pretty well puts 24 the entire department on call, 'cause I may have to call in a 25 whole bunch to cover the rest of it. 5-27-14 83 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it looks like it's 2 clearly a burden on the entire county. It's a burden. Now, 3 the question is, what can we do to relieve that burden? And 4 just from -- it sounds like a resolution seems like an 5 important and useful thing to state the position of this 6 Court. 7 MS. STEBBINS: I can just -- I can look into a 8 nuisance action and how that would -- how this would fit. I 9 know that there are particular types of crimes and numbers of 10 them that we can -- we can possibly file a nuisance action, 11 so if you'd like for me to do that, I certainly can. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm with Bob; I think we 13 should do anything to help we can. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, if Bob would get most of 15 the resolution -- get most of the information from the 16 Sheriff's letter, and send it to the same, basically, 17 agencies that the Sheriff sent it to, I don't know that it'll 18 carry any more weight, but it certainly can't hurt, and 19 taking some action. But if you'd just bring that back next 20 meeting. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd be glad to, and if the 22 County Attorney would look into -- 23 MS. STEBBINS: Absolutely, the nuisance action. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good, okay. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: So we'll reserve that for later 5-27-14 84 1 action, depending on what the County Attorney finds; is that 2 correct? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, if she brings back a 4 resolution, yeah. I think a resolution at the minimum, 5 right. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. What's the next 7 item? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 16, and then a break maybe? 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, let's have a 10-minute break. 10 (Recess taken from 10:38 a.m. to 10:51 a.m.) 11 - - - - - - - - - - 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, commissioners Court's 13 back in session now. It's 10 minutes to 11:00. We had more 14 like a 15- or 18-minute break instead of a 10-minute break. 15 We'll consider Item 1.16, which was scheduled for 10:15 a.m. 16 Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on request 17 from Bob Howells to use Flat Rock Lake on August 21, 2014, to 18 conduct a survey of any freshwater mussels that may be 19 present as part of the third annual Texas Freshwater Mussel 20 Symposium and Workshop. Mr. Howells? 21 MR. HOWELLS: Not your everyday request. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, no kidding. 23 MR. HOWELLS: I guess, basically, to give you a 24 little bit of background on that, these are animals that 25 hardly anybody's paid any attention to, but they're the 5-27-14 85 1 fastest disappearing group of animals in North America. As a 2 result -- well, back in 2010, Texas Parks and Wildlife moved 3 to list 15 species, two of which live right here in 4 Kerrville, as legally threatened; they're in big trouble and 5 may vanish. As a result, the State Comptroller, last -- a 6 little over a year ago, requested Texas A & M and some 7 others -- the Texas Comptroller is responsible for economic 8 impact of endangered species regulations, so these mussels 9 now become a -- become a pretty big deal. Last year, Texas 10 A & M, U.T. Tyler, Texas Parks and Wildlife, and myself 11 conducted a training class out at Texas Tech in Junction, and 12 the people that took it that are going to be working with 13 these animals basically doubled their ability to identify 14 them and understand what was going on. So, we've been 15 requested to hold another training class this year, and, in 16 fact, it's going to be at Inn of the Hills here in Kerrville. 17 As part of that, we'd like to take folks out into 18 the field to get some actual hands-on experience, and we'd 19 like to take a group of what might be 25, 30, probably not 20 more than 35 people to the park on the north side of Flat 21 Rock Lake to examine whether there are any mussels there. 22 Interestingly, I'm -- there are three books on the subject; I 23 wrote all of them. So, with the other folks that are along, 24 you've got some of the most knowledgeable people, plus you've 25 got generally biologists; occasionally some geologists or 5-27-14 86 1 engineers will be part of the class, but it's not a party. 2 It's professional people getting trained how to work with 3 these animals. When it's all said and done, we'll -- 4 actually, this area -- that reservoir has never been 5 surveyed. I've lived here 30 years and never looked at it 6 myself. But in any event, when it's all said and done, if 7 you'd like, we can actually submit a report to this group 8 telling you what is or is not there. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: I think that would be great. You 10 live here? 11 MR. HOWELLS: I live here, yes. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is there any action we need to 13 take enabling you to do this? 14 MR. HOWELLS: Just permission to allow us to do it. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, I think a resolution allowing 16 him to use it for that study. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I have -- and I don't 18 mean to throw cold water -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Cold on water on a mussel. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- cold water on a mussel, but 21 I know there's a large chance of mussels -- a number of 22 species being listed across the state. 23 MR. HOWELLS: Right. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which will have a huge economic 25 impact to areas and what is done with water from -- 5-27-14 87 1 everything from our long-range plans to get water from the 2 river, city of Kerrville's getting water from the river, and 3 everything else, and sometimes not knowing is better. 4 MR. HOWELLS: This is -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not from a scientific 6 standpoint, but from an economic standpoint. 7 MR. HOWELLS: Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I spent 22 8 years working with Texas Parks and Wildlife, and I -- I 9 understand what you're saying. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess -- what if you find 11 mussels over there that you -- that is determined to be in 12 danger? 13 MR. HOWELLS: I'll be -- well, okay. I can tell 14 you something's biologically, ecologically endangered. That 15 has no -- it has no meaning -- legal meaning at all. At this 16 point in time, two species that occur in Kerr County are 17 legally listed by Parks and Wildlife as threatened. Fish and 18 Wildlife, the federal government, is looking at those two, as 19 well as two others that used to be here, for possibly listing 20 them. It'll be a couple of years before they decide. 21 However, all four of those, even assuming all four were still 22 here, and best I can tell, there are only two of them left, 23 and there aren't many, they don't live in reservoirs. 24 They'll be actually in the river portions of the Guadalupe 25 River. If we find one in Flat Rock Lake, I'm going to be 5-27-14 88 1 totally surprised. I'll write a note to a journal, because 2 it's highly unlikely that's going to happen. Now, you might 3 have a flood that picks up one here and drops it there, but a 4 long-term, established -- highly, highly unlikely. And it 5 would be nice to know that. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 7 MR. HOWELLS: I'm telling you, it probably won't 8 happen. It would be nice if, come the end of August, you can 9 look and go, "It's not there." 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, the other -- 11 MR. HOWELLS: But you're right. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The other side of it is that 13 the -- the river is public property. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We really can't keep you from 16 looking for mussels in the river if you want. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was my point. What is 18 this -- 19 MR. HOWELLS: Well, we need to go into the park to 20 access -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but you have access to 22 the park. The public has access to the park. 23 MR. HOWELLS: They told me I should talk to you 24 folks. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, we appreciate that, but 5-27-14 89 1 I don't think we could keep you out if we wanted to. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I appreciate it, but to me, I'm 3 kind of along those lines. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's get a little more direct. 5 We've had some bad experiences -- 6 MR. HOWELLS: Oh, yeah. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: -- out here in the Hill Country 8 with -- when they put the golden cheeked warbler, I think 9 they called it, on the endangered species list, and they 10 found that its habitat was what we call cedars around here; 11 it's really juniper, and started telling the ranchers around 12 here they couldn't clear their property of cedar. You know, 13 and some of them that did, there were huge fines, and they 14 even took the ranches away from these people. You know, so 15 we're worried about what you might find out there, and it 16 might -- what it might trigger, is what we're -- is what 17 Jonathan's question was, okay? 18 MR. HOWELLS: And, again, as you know, it goes both 19 ways. It would be nice to know there's nothing to worry 20 about, which will probably be the case. But you don't know 21 until you look. Likewise, if there are some there, and there 22 are a few around here and there in Kerr County, I'd rather 23 know where they were at, and especially where they're not. 24 I could tell you if you wanted to work on the bridge down at 25 G Street, have at it. There's nothing in the area; don't 5-27-14 90 1 worry about it. Nice to know. 2 MR. BOLLIER: Not going to stop us from fishing 3 there either? 4 MR. HOWELLS: Hmm? 5 MR. BOLLIER: Not going to stop us from fishing in 6 Flat Rock Lake? 7 MR. HOWELLS: Oh, no, no, no. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can't stop it; it's public 9 property. 10 MR. HOWELLS: Actually -- 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't think there's 12 anything -- we can't keep them out of the park, can't keep 13 them off the water, so -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you for telling us. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- that's kind of where we are, 18 I think. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, there is one question, 20 though. 21 MR. HOWELLS: Yes? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is the issue of -- there was 23 somebody in here a while ago about using the park on a 24 certain date to do a river parade. And Mr. Howells' request 25 is August 21st. Is there any kind of -- 5-27-14 91 1 MS. GRINSTEAD: It's available. I was the one that 2 suggested they bring it to you, 'cause it's just out of the 3 normal -- it's not a family picnic. It's something that -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I think it's a good idea 5 to come by and tell us the informational issue, if nothing 6 else. I appreciate that. 7 MR. HOWELLS: I can do that. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But the only thing I could 9 see is, I could see you out there maybe swimming around with 10 your little Speedo and your flippers, and with the river 11 parade with a bunch of beer drinkers going on at the same 12 time, I'd kind of like to avoid that. For you. 13 MR. HOWELLS: I'll tell you, we did a survey -- 14 again, I've been doing this since 1992. I retired in 2006, 15 but people still come to me. But when we did a site down on 16 the Rio Grande, we had three of us from the lab here in 17 Kerrville on our hands and knees rolling around the bottom of 18 the Rio Grande, and I looked up, and we had six border patrol 19 vehicles parked on the levy going, "What in the world are you 20 doing?" 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Really? 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Were you wearing Speedos? I didn't 23 think so. (Laughter.) 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, just watch the Speedos 25 and I think you'll be all right. 5-27-14 92 1 MR. HOWELLS: All right. Any other questions, 2 please let me know. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 4 MR. HOWELLS: All right, thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I think probably 1.19 now? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 10 appropriate action to update the liaison appointments for 11 2014. Commissioner Letz. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I put this on the agenda 13 primarily because I visited with Commissioner Reeves about 14 it, and since he's new, you know, we need to go over it 15 again, even though we just did this, because Commissioner 16 Oehler was listed as some of these. We need to clarify, so I 17 just thought I'd put it on the agenda for that reason. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: If we just substitute your name 19 for -- 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd be more than happy to do 21 that, which it looks like the Ag Barn, Animal Services, and 22 Environmental Health, I think, are the three that the late 23 Commissioner Oehler was -- 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Are you going to still redo 25 them as part of the budget process at the end? Or is that 5-27-14 93 1 what you're doing now? 'Cause normally they get reappointed 2 when -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We usually redo them at the 4 beginning of the year. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Next time we'll just -- this is 7 the third time this year, because we keep on losing members. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I just didn't know. If you're 9 going to redo them, I'll wait for my comments, because I like 10 to rotate the jail and Sheriff's Office. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. Yeah, we'll do it -- 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But it's been Moser. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We'll do it again. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll do it in January. My 15 only one that I have a -- a question about aside from that 16 one is economic development. And -- and I'll make also a 17 general comment. My concern is I think on economic 18 development that it's -- two things. One, my understanding 19 was that the County had a slot on that board. If you look on 20 their website, we don't have anyone on our board -- on 21 K.E.D.C. They have -- it's not a vacancy shown, and it's not 22 your name; it's not the Judge's name, so I have a little bit 23 of an issue in that we don't, you know, show we have any 24 representation. And the other part of it was -- and this is 25 just the -- and it's kind of a general comment that came to 5-27-14 94 1 light after the whole Gateway thing and I was concerned, was 2 that my understanding was that Commissioner Moser voted 3 against Gateway twice. That's what someone told me. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we need to be real 6 careful on what authority the liaisons have, 'cause I don't 7 think they have any. They're supposed to look -- look at and 8 discuss, and if it's a decision that affects the county, like 9 that one did to a degree, to me, especially in my precinct, I 10 have a problem with a vote being made by a commissioner on a 11 -- on an issue of that nature. If it's a -- it's like the 12 airport. You know, they bring that budget to us. Things 13 need to come to us. I try very hard not to -- you know, you 14 get to a point, and then you bring information -- like on the 15 Ag Barn, Commissioner Oehler and I spent a great length of 16 time trying to come up with things and bring it to the Court 17 for a decision. I don't think we have the ability for 18 liaisons to be making decisions, and I think we need to be 19 very careful with that. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I am a member of the 21 board out there, and that should be updated on their website, 22 okay? The K.E.D.C. -- their service to the county, their 23 service to the city is to vet requests that come in, and 24 before it goes to E.I.C. and then is approved from that. 25 There isn't anything -- and that's all they do. The K.E.D.C. 5-27-14 95 1 just is an advisory and recommendation, "yes" or "no" and 2 that's it. There isn't anything to preclude any business 3 from coming to the County or City. If they're asking for an 4 abatement or some type of incentive, they can do that, okay? 5 It's just the vetting process by the eight members of the 6 board of K.E.D.C. So, you know, when you listen in those 7 particular things, it's a closed session by design, okay? So 8 that they can listen to the business aspects, and it's not 9 open to the public, by design. So that then with -- with 10 that, then the board votes yes or no, and in this case, it 11 was unanimous after listening to all the facts, and -- and 12 then that was it. That's the recommendation of the K.E.D.C. 13 board. There isn't anything to preclude that company from 14 going forward or anything else, so -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But where my problem comes in 16 is that in the numerous newspaper articles since then, no one 17 has said these weren't accurate. Jonas Titas has made 18 numerous statements about what the policy and what they're 19 looking for, and that they don't want retail -- they want 20 this kind of retail, not that kind of retail, and they don't 21 want Academy, they don't want Olive Garden. I just ate at 22 Olive Garden, and yes, I sure wish we had an Olive Garden 23 here. But if those decisions are being made by the board, 24 you have no authority, in my mind, to make them. And I think 25 that it's -- 5-27-14 96 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The board's making a 2 recommendation. And the strategic plan is on the website, 3 and those policies are on the website, by which we -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The Court has never voted on 5 them. I have never voted that I don't want retail in this 6 community. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We don't vote on what the 8 Airport Board does. We don't vote on it. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's a lot different. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, it's not. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, it is. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The Airport Board has the 13 authority to operate. K.E.D.C. has the authority to advise. 14 So -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have the authority to 16 defund. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that's true. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That might be where we're 19 going. But if K.E.D.C. is not going to communicate with this 20 Court on its decisions and directions and policies, I have no 21 use for them. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let me -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's that simple. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me make a recommendation. 25 I'll apologize if needed. You didn't know anything about -- 5-27-14 97 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I did not know anything. I 2 didn't know a thing. I didn't even know that anything in my 3 precinct was going on. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If there could be -- and 5 likewise, I don't know what goes on at the Little League 6 field, Commissioner Letz. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Neither do I. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I beg your pardon? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My son plays out there. Can't 10 I go out there and work? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Who negotiated the contract 12 with them? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't have a contract with 14 them right now; it's month-to-month. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is there -- I don't know where 16 you're going with this, other than you got offended by not 17 knowing some of the details. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm offended when the County is 19 funding an entity and they don't come to us about their 20 policies. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Their policies -- it's on the 22 website. Their policies are on the website. The policies of 23 the Airport Board are on the website. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Airport Board is different. 25 They're an independent board that we set up. 5-27-14 98 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's an independent board. 2 K.E.D.C. is a totally independent board. By definition, by 3 requirement, it's got to be independent. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Next? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll discuss it in budget. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, you want to leave him on 9 that thing, or are you going to throw him off? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think I'm going to probably 11 vote to defund the budget. If we don't have the folks there, 12 I don't have to worry about it; they're not representing the 13 county. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm trying to make you 15 angry. You wasn't angry enough. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I get aggravated, and I think 17 that we need to all be very conscious that liaison positions, 18 we're just one commissioner; we have no authority until we 19 vote as a court. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Being a member of the K.E.D.C. 21 board, I was named to that, okay? And just by virtue of 22 being liaison, okay. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maybe that's the problem, 24 'cause I am offended that you don't talk to me about what's 25 going on in my precinct. 5-27-14 99 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And likewise with Little 2 League field. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What do you want to know? I've 4 brought -- I've talked about it in court every time I've done 5 anything. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Do we want to take any action on 8 1.19? Or -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, to appoint Commissioner 10 Reeves to fill in all the slots for Commissioner Oehler. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I'll second. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Third. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody -- any further discussion? 14 There being none, those in favor, signify by raising your 15 right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 17 JUDGE POLLARD: 4-0. All right. 1.20; consider, 18 discuss, and take appropriate action on selection process for 19 new Juvenile Detention Facility Director. Commissioner Letz. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is on the agenda just 21 because of the process we need to -- are going to use, so we 22 can decide. And I don't really have a -- I know we've posted 23 it; we have resumes. What's our next step? How are we going 24 to fill that slot? We told Jason early on that it was a -- 25 in a month, we'd have a direction. And about a month's up, 5-27-14 100 1 so I think we have resumés, so how are we going to, you know, 2 move forward? 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Isn't this an employee contract 4 negotiation? Subject matter? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. I think it's -- I'm 6 talking about a process, not about picking the person. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Trying to figure out who's 9 going to go through the resumés, who's going to bring a 10 recommendation to the Court, or are we going to interview all 11 the candidates? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's do -- may I make a 13 suggestion? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's use the two liaisons, 16 along with the acting supervisor out there, and the three of 17 us will sit down and -- how many applications do you have? 18 Either one of y'all? 19 MR. DAVIS: Thirteen, I believe. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thirteen? So we can whittle 21 it down to three or five and bring it back to this board, 22 like we do everything else. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. Right, that's good. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good idea. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 5-27-14 101 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. You want to make a 3 motion to that effect? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I just want the three of 5 us to meet. And y'all select a -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- time and date. I'm the 8 servant here. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: And come back and make a 10 recommendation to the Court? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: At Commissioners Court. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do we need anyone from the 14 lofty chairs up above? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He's sitting right there, 16 and he said no. Right, Rex? 17 JUDGE EMERSON: No sabe. (Laughter.) 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Would you like to join in on 19 that -- that meeting? 20 JUDGE EMERSON: I hate to say this, but I wasn't 21 even paying attention. But as far as the juvenile -- well, 22 the agenda item doesn't relate to me, because the Juvenile 23 Board has no authority -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 25 JUDGE EMERSON: -- over the Juvenile Detention 5-27-14 102 1 Facility. That's a Commissioners Court issue. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll do it the way you 4 suggested. Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 5 ratify -- this is 1.21 -- ratify and confirm proclamation 6 from Community Council of South Central Texas, Inc., 7 declaring May 2014 as National Community Action Month. Jody 8 stuck me on that one, I guess. You did, didn't you? 9 MS. GRINSTEAD: Well, we received a letter and you 10 signed it. I just haven't mailed it yet, so -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: I did sign it. We just need a -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What do you think, maybe, 13 "community action" means? Is this a President Obama type 14 thing? Or -- well, I'm serious. Is -- I mean -- 15 JUDGE POLLARD: They're from South Texas. You got 16 a copy of the letter here. 17 MS. GRINSTEAD: It's in the backup. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: War on poverty. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Are we a member of the 20 Community Council of South Central Texas? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We were at one time. I even 22 sat on that board seven or eight times, and they go in and 23 out of existence. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, we're signing it as a 25 member of -- 5-27-14 103 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I think -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Authorizing the Judge to sign. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just think that we're a 5 county saying that -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're confirming a 7 proclamation from them. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It's a proclamation to have a 10 celebration. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: In recognition of the hard 12 work and dedication of the Kerr County Community Action 13 agencies. We're just acknowledging all the work they do, and 14 the good work. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: That's right. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I move for approval. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What good work do they do? 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: "Whereas, whereas, whereas, 21 whereas." 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Maybe I ought to look at the 23 backup. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm with Commissioner Moser a 25 little bit on this one. It's all right, I guess. 5-27-14 104 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not going to hurt one 2 way or the other. They haven't been real active, and they're 3 off and on. Their executive director, I think, went to jail 4 seven or eight years ago. I mean, I just -- you know, every 5 two or three years I go meet with them and tell them no, I'm 6 not going to serve on their board. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So why do we want to sign this 8 proclamation? 9 JUDGE POLLARD: They asked for it. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Because we can. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: We can if you want to. If you 12 don't, we don't. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have a motion and second? 14 (Ms. Pieper nodded.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: If there's no motion, we'll pass 16 it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have a motion and second. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those in favor of the 19 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 20 (Commissioners Baldwin and Reeves voted in favor of the motion.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Those opposed? 22 (Commissioners Letz and Moser voted against the 23 motion.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I'll break it and go with the 25 opposed. Okay, 1.22; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 5-27-14 105 1 action to grant a Local Government Code 262.024 exemption for 2 a limited professional services contract for Kerr County 3 appointed C.P.S. legal services related to children's ad 4 litem appointments. Judge Emerson. 5 JUDGE EMERSON: Judge and Commissioners, several 6 years ago y'all expressed a concern over the rising costs of 7 C.P.S. attorneys, and through the process of talking to other 8 judges and our local attorneys, we'd like to take this first 9 step toward maybe limiting those costs. What we've done is 10 we've gone in and looked at all the different areas of cost, 11 and relative to the children's appointments, which is just 12 the ad litem for the children. We think we have the ability, 13 with your approval, to have the County fund a subcontracted 14 attorney position that will significantly reduce the cost. 15 In 2013, for that position for those costs, you spent 16 approximately $112,240. After evaluating the number of 17 children, the number of cases, and talking to attorneys, I 18 think you could probably accomplish the same purpose for 19 75,000 to 80,000. That's not a huge chunk, but $30,000 is 20 $30,000. 21 I'm not sure what we can do on the parents' 22 appointments at this point, because if anything, the 23 Legislature and the courts have loosened that up where they 24 have even more rights to request Court-appointed attorneys. 25 But this would be a step in the right direction. But what we 5-27-14 106 1 need from you is approval to go outside the bidding process 2 as a professional services contract where we can vet the 3 attorneys that apply for the position, and working with the 4 County Attorney on the contract, basically award an 5 individual based on competency qualifications. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How do you build the 7 qualifications side of it? I mean, what does that mean 8 exactly? 9 JUDGE EMERSON: Basically, what we'll do is we will 10 go in and look at the attorneys that are currently performing 11 that function as ad litems within the C.P.S. system, see who 12 has met the continuing education requirements, who's taken 13 specifically the continuing education requirements to be 14 guardians for children. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 16 JUDGE EMERSON: And narrow it down. And then from 17 that point, see who's interested. Hopefully, we'll have 18 quite a few folks interested so that we can play off the 19 individuals and save some money. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I sure like that idea. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Seems like it makes sense to 22 me. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, yeah, absolutely. I'm 24 just not sure what -- what action are we going to take? 25 JUDGE EMERSON: You're going to approve the 5-27-14 107 1 professional services end of it where we can go step outside 2 the bidding process, since this individual will be basically 3 a subcontractor from the county. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 5 JUDGE EMERSON: We need to take that step. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, it's giving you authority 7 to do that without doing a competitive bid; is that what 8 you're saying? 9 JUDGE EMERSON: Correct. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, that's what I 11 interpreted. So, in the past we've done it that way? 12 JUDGE EMERSON: Well, we have not. As a general 13 rule, when somebody comes to court, whether it's C.P.S. or 14 indigent defense, -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 16 JUDGE EMERSON: -- they will fill out an 17 application for indigency. It'll be determined if they are 18 indigent. Then they'll have the right to a Court-appointed 19 attorney, and it goes to whoever the Judge of that court 20 appoints, a competent attorney. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, this is business as usual. 22 JUDGE EMERSON: It's business as usual, except it's 23 trying to consolidate that one type of appointment into one 24 position. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One person. 5-27-14 108 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. Got you. 2 JUDGE EMERSON: Instead of 25 different attorneys 3 all doing it for different cases. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 5 grant a Local Government Code 262.024 exemption for a limited 6 professional services contract for Kerr County appointing 7 C.P.S. legal services. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? Let me 10 just tell you that there are probably -- how many -- how many 11 lawyers do you think you've got on that ad litem docket that 12 you appoint? 13 JUDGE EMERSON: That are representing children? It 14 looks like it's 15 to 20. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: So you're going to cut it down to 16 one person doing that, and instead of paying ad litem fees 17 spread out among 15. I know it saves money. I just want to 18 point out that some lawyers that are retired or semi-retired, 19 that's their -- that's what their supplemental income is to 20 do that. 21 JUDGE EMERSON: For what it's worth, it's not going 22 to stop their appointments representing parents. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 24 JUDGE EMERSON: The only category we're trying to 25 limit is the children's appointments. 5-27-14 109 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there -- you know, a 3 question. Is there a -- is there going to be a potential for 4 a conflict occasionally? Like, I'm asking the question -- I 5 really don't know. If it's like -- if there's two kids 6 involved, can they have the same attorney, or do they need to 7 have separate attorneys? 8 JUDGE EMERSON: They'll have the same attorney. 9 The problem you could run into on a conflict is, say you have 10 one mother with two different fathers, and two teenage kids 11 that are over the age of 12 that have the ability to say, "I 12 want to go live here," and they're pointing different 13 directions. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 15 JUDGE EMERSON: Then you may have a problem. But 16 that doesn't happen very often. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, my other question would 18 be, if we go with just one person, that's not going to slow 19 the process down, as opposed to having the flexibility to use 20 15 different -- 21 JUDGE EMERSON: It will not, and you don't have to 22 do this at all. This was just made in an effort to try to 23 control the costs. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 5-27-14 110 1 There being none, those in favor of the motion, signify by 2 raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0. Thank you, Judge. 5 JUDGE EMERSON: Thank you. 6 (Discussion off the record.) 7 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.23; consider, discuss, and take 8 appropriate action to approve contract with the Castle Lake 9 Fire Department and allow Commissioner Baldwin to sign same. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait. Wait a minute. 13 (Laughter.) 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where's Castle Lake? 15 JUDGE POLLARD: There being no further 16 discussion -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, no, no. 18 MS. GRINSTEAD: You couldn't let my mistake lie, 19 could you? That's what happens when you cut and paste. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait a minute. I'm not -- 21 time out. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's far southeastern Kerr 23 County. It's actually -- you get there off of Highway 16 24 near Pipe Creek, north of Bandera. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, you got to go to 5-27-14 111 1 Bandera to get there. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay. I know where it 3 is. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a lake, Castle Lake? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that part of the county? 6 Yeah, got you. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: There may be a lake. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There may be a lake over 9 there somewhere, somebody's horse trough. But -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Castle Lake Subdivision, there 11 is a little lake, but it's small. Probably dry. Well, it 12 probably has water in it now, but it was dry. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Is this the one on 173? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, it's off Bear Creek Road. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Way off, coming off Highway 16. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, just remove my name. 18 And do we need to approve the contract, though? 19 MS. GRINSTEAD: We do. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought that maybe this was a 22 holdover, since your name was on it, from when you were 23 signing things. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I don't even sign my own 25 stuff. 5-27-14 112 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is for the County Judge to 2 sign? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion, 7 signify by raising your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If you sign it, you have to be 11 part of the volunteer fire department. Understand that? 12 JUDGE POLLARD: No. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You have to drive a truck. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They have good barbecues and 15 good food over there. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Do we have anything for 17 closed session? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. I think we've covered 19 everything. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to the action 21 agenda. Anything there? The approval agenda. Approval 22 agenda, pay bills. We got some of those. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Move we pay the bills. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I second. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Any discussion? There being none, 5-27-14 113 1 those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0. Budget amendments. Any? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 5 MS. HARGIS: You have three. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any questions? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Explain the first one to me, 8 please. 9 MS. HARGIS: The J.P. 3 -- I mean, yes, J.P. 3 10 clerk is at a higher salary than -- the person that she hired 11 is at a higher salary, due to their longevity, than the 12 current clerk. So, since she's moving from the County 13 Clerk's office, the County Clerk is moving part of her budget 14 line items to the Judge. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Moving it to the what? 16 MS. HARGIS: To J.P. 3, so that she can pay those 17 line items. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's money budgeted in the 19 County Clerk's office, but there's not enough in J.P. 3 20 office. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The County Clerk's going to 23 send some money to help cover that difference. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Did I get the wrong 25 spreadsheet? I got from County Clerk to County Clerk. 5-27-14 114 1 MS. HARGIS: He's got the right account number. It 2 should be J.P. 3. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Oh. So, it's moving from the 4 County Clerk to -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: J.P. 3. 6 MS. HARGIS: J.P. 3. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, what -- what does that 8 do to -- or does that do anything to our little study that we 9 did recently that says J.P. clerks do this and do that? 10 MS. HARGIS: I'm going to let the H.R. -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Equal responsibility? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 14 MS. LANTZ: That is a Step 17 at the J.P.'s office 15 for that position. The individual was at a Step 19. She is 16 going to the Step 17, which is the appropriate pay grade. 17 She's just able to keep her longevity due to the court order 18 we have in place; you allowed people to keep longevity. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a good -- very good 20 explanation, and I thank you for this. So, 2,500 bucks is 21 going over there too? 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Right. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any other questions on 25 budget amendments? 5-27-14 115 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so the next two are 2 related to the exact same thing, only it's the FICA and the 3 retirement? 4 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What's the number four? 6 MS. HARGIS: The overtime. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's overtime. 8 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, I'm ready to vote. 10 MS. PIEPER: We need a motion and a second. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there any further discussion? 14 Those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0; it passes. That was -- 17 all the budget amendments were approved then, right? 18 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Late bills. Are there any? 20 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir, there's several. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 22 MS. HARGIS: To clarify, these are not really late 23 bills, but they're bills that come in after we've already 24 closed the packet that we do. We don't want to be delinquent 25 on these bills, so we process them. 5-27-14 116 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move approval. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Is 5 there any further discussion? There being none, those in 6 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Approve and 9 accept monthly reports. 10 MS. PIEPER: He's got them already. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You got monthly reports. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I move we accept the monthly 13 reports. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, where are they? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've signed them. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Who are they? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Already signed them. Oh, 18 County Treasurer, Justice of the Peace 1, Justice of the 19 Peace 2, Justice of the Peace 4, Constable Precinct 1. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we approve them as 21 presented. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 24 MS. PIEPER: Who made the second? You moved them? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: As long as the verbiage is 5-27-14 117 1 in there, "as presented" is all I'm looking for, I don't care 2 who does it. 3 MS. PIEPER: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He seconded. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: There being no further discussion, 6 those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: 4-0, unanimous. All right. 9 Reports from Commissioners, liaison committee assignments, et 10 cetera. Anybody have any? Reports from elected officials/ 11 department heads? Anybody have anything here? 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Go ahead. 13 MS. LANTZ: Texas Association of Counties will be 14 coming in on June 9th through the 13th with their driving 15 simulator for Kerr County employees to participate in 16 defensive driving. Currently, they're going to be 17 dismantling the simulator. The last time it was in Kerr 18 County was in 2012. We were able to get all of our Road and 19 Bridge crews through the simulator, as well as, I believe, 20 Maintenance, Animal Control, a few constables. This year, 21 we're -- we're -- they would like to have more law 22 enforcement come through the simulator, so Rusty's allowing 23 some of his deputies to go through it, as well as we're going 24 to have Road and Bridge, as well as Animal Control and 25 Maintenance, everybody who's driving an issued county vehicle 5-27-14 118 1 go through the simulator. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's no cost to the County. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's for defensive driving? 4 Is that what it is? 5 MS. LANTZ: Basically, yes. It's for our liability 6 insurance, because we are insured through TAC. They have a 7 mobile unit that has several different vehicles in this 8 mobile facility, and I encourage the Court to come see it. 9 But you're able to -- like, law enforcement, they have a -- a 10 patrol car that they drive. Road and Bridge will have a dump 11 truck or a semi. The other -- it depends on what vehicle you 12 drive within the county, what you'll -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Does it help our insurance if 14 we participate, or not? 15 MS. LANTZ: Yes, it does. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. Okay, good. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Only thing it doesn't do is 18 show a deer running across the road. That's the biggest 19 hazard. 20 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And as far as Sheriff's 22 Office, we are at a jail population of 156, 28 females. That 23 leaves me two female beds. We're hurting. It's down a 24 little. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 156 is up. 5-27-14 119 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, the overall is not up; 2 it's down a little bit. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And part of the reason -- last 5 time, I think we were at 32 females, or 30 females. Now I'm 6 at 28 -- 28 females, so it's just -- I don't know. I don't 7 know what to tell you, other than, you know, we're still 8 looking at having to contract with other counties if it comes 9 to it in population. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Other than that, I think Tim's 12 budget hearing -- and I'll mention some other things during 13 the budget process this afternoon. 14 MR. BOLLIER: Did you add to me? You added 15 something? 16 MR. DAVIS: Your Honor, Commissioners, if I may 17 briefly address the Court, just as a progress report and 18 status of what's going on with J.D.C., Tim and his folks have 19 been working diligently on the plumbing issues that I'm sure 20 are a huge financial burden, and continue -- have been an 21 ongoing issue, but I think that Tim has finally found some 22 resolution to that, hopefully. Just on departmental issues, 23 the employees that this commission -- this Court previously 24 authorized, we found two of them. We're still searching for 25 another individual. All of the state notifications through 5-27-14 120 1 Texas Juvenile Justice Department have been made, so we're in 2 compliance with all of those areas. Staffing ratios are 3 still in compliance. As far as the operational control of 4 the facility, the fuel system transfer is in process. I have 5 a contract now, and we just -- it's a matter of, probably 6 this week, getting the card switched over so that our fuel 7 system will be in compliance with the same system that the 8 Sheriff utilizes at the direction of the Court, and 9 specifically the Judge. John is working on the I.T. issue, 10 switching out some of the computer systems, and there are a 11 couple other issues -- policy issues that -- where we will be 12 sending to -- specifically to the County Attorney's office. 13 One of the things that had previously not been done, at least 14 my understanding, was the policy/procedure manual for the 15 J.D.C. was not being approved by the County Attorney nor this 16 Court. That's something that I am asking -- I'm going to 17 send the policy/procedure manual to the County Attorney's 18 office, and then after her approval, bring it before this 19 Court for approval. If you have any questions, I'm 20 definitely available. Thank you for your time. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other reports? Any other 23 reports from anybody? There being none, this session is 24 adjourned. 25 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:31 a.m.) - - - - - - - - - - 5-27-14 121 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 30th day of May, 2014. 8 9 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5-27-14