1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, June 2, 2014 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X June 2, 2014 2 PAGE 3 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action on outlining Kerr County position on facility repairs 4 at the airport 3 5 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on appointing a day-to-day county representative 6 for construction of the Exhibit Hall at the Hill Country Youth Event Center 17 7 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 8 approve a new full-time position at the Juvenile Detention Facility and authorize an increase in 9 the part-time salary rate 20 10 2.1 Pay bills 28 11 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding Kerr County Tax Resales 30 12 --- Recessed (To reconvene 6-3-14 at 9 a.m.) 40 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, June 2, 2014, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It appears to be 8 9:02 a.m., on Monday, June 2nd, 2014. The Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court is in session. There's a -- well, I 10 think it's your turn, Mr. Moser. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If you'll all please rise? 12 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. This is the visitors' 14 input part of it. Is there anybody that would like to speak 15 to the Commissioners Court? There being none, we'll move on 16 to Item Number 1.1; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 17 action on onlining Kerr County position -- or outlining Kerr 18 County position on facility repairs at the airport. 19 Commissioner Letz. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I put this on the agenda 21 midweek last week, and at this point I'm not sure I 22 necessarily need it, but it's there, so I think it's good to 23 deal with it. And it related to comments that the Mayor made 24 a week or so ago about issues out at the airport. And then I 25 talked with some members of Council, and then last week we 6-2-14 4 1 received all kind of emergency requests, it seemed, to meet 2 with -- a joint meeting with City Council. And I -- in 3 talking then to members of City Council, it appeared to me 4 that they weren't clear on our position. That's why I put it 5 on the agenda originally. And since then, I've, obviously, 6 talked with a lot of people in the public, and more 7 importantly, I spent close to two hours with Mooney's 8 executives last Friday, including Mr. Bowen, Mr. Hodkin, and 9 Mr. Nelson, and talked basically from when the new Mooney was 10 purchased or revived itself through the whole process through 11 K.E.D.C. and the whole process. And I -- what I came away 12 with was that they were crystal clear on our position. But, 13 you know, I did think, since it was on the agenda, a good 14 point for us to reiterate our position. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Let me just tell you that I've 16 given this a lot of consideration too, and I've decided that 17 our position ought to be -- and I propose that we all agree 18 to this -- that -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can I finish, Judge? 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Let me just say one thing. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was in the middle of a 22 sentence, Judge. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I know, but I propose that we 24 figure some way to raise the half a million dollars. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well -- 6-2-14 5 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Quickly. Quickly, and get it done, 2 and get it to Mooney. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: And try to shorthand -- shorthand 5 all of the procedures. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think I disagree with that. 7 But anyway, basically in talking about Mooney, and then, you 8 know, a lot of related to the requests for a joint meeting, I 9 want to thank Commissioner Moser for doing what we often 10 should do, is go back and look at our governing agreements 11 related to partnerships that we have with the City. And our 12 interlocal agreement with the City of Kerrville related to 13 the airport, which creates the Airport Board essentially, 14 also calls for a committee of three representatives from the 15 county, two -- of which no more than two can be 16 Commissioners. I think two -- three from the City, of which 17 no more than two can be on the Council, and members of the 18 Airport Board. And I think that is the vehicle that the 19 communication should be going through, and I think Mooney 20 agrees with that. 21 And I say that related to Mooney, because the thing 22 that I came away from the Mooney meeting with is that they're 23 confused at who they should be talking to. They don't know 24 if they should talk to us. They don't know if they should 25 talk to the Airport Board. They don't know if they should 6-2-14 6 1 talk to K.E.D.C. They don't know if they should talk to the 2 City. And I think that's our problem partly. So, I think 3 that using that vehicle would be the -- you know, exactly the 4 right way, and include Mooney in some of those meetings, and 5 that's what I would propose moving forward that we do. 6 And -- you know, but aside from that, I did -- I do think we 7 need to -- and I will make a motion; I'll pass that out with 8 the items on the motion to the rest of the Court as I read 9 it. I make a motion that we formally state that Kerr -- that 10 Kerr County is committed to Mooney. County is committed to 11 improve the facility, including the roof and other leaking 12 problems. County has a financial ability to address the 13 financial needs. County will follow the letter and intent of 14 all laws relating to budget, bidding, and all other 15 processes. And County completely supports the process the 16 Airport Board has undertaken to hire a consultant to assess 17 facility needs at Mooney. That's my motion. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me comment. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay? I don't disagree with 21 -- I think we all said that. As a matter of fact, I think I 22 was the one to recommend let's go get a consultant to look at 23 this. I, like Commissioner Letz, have spent a lot of time 24 jointly with -- with he, with the Judge and myself talking 25 with Mooney. When I look at this also, Mooney needs 6-2-14 7 1 something done quickly, and I think we all agree with that; 2 call it an emergency or whatever we want to call it. I think 3 the County is committed to do something. Mooney is very 4 comfortable with what they've laid on the table as a million 5 dollar fix, and it's a blanket over the entire 300,000 6 square feet. There were some issues with that that a pro 7 bono consultant had for us. It's clearly the City and 8 County's responsibility to have the facility in good repair. 9 We have a tenant out there. The tenant is credible. They've 10 demonstrated what they can do and what they plan to do. 11 They've given us some insight into that. 12 So, one other option is to go with the -- go with 13 the Mooney idea, okay, with their responsibility, make it 14 part of their lease, which is still pending, okay? And say 15 we will fix it the way you want to, and especially if it has 16 a 15-year guarantee on workmanship and warranty. It probably 17 saves -- the thing I think about that is, it probably saves 18 three months in schedule, at least of them getting a dry 19 facility, which they were down -- we're going to get some 20 more rain, hopefully. They were down to 75 percent of their 21 production rate the other day. So, I think that's something 22 that -- that, you know, if we can see something like that 23 from the County, if we cast it in concrete through the 24 planning committee, which I think was in the interlocal 25 agreement that we have this -- this multi-part agreement 6-2-14 8 1 for -- for this specific kind of thing, that's what the 2 planning committee was set up for. It was supposed to meet 3 once a year. We haven't met in the last three years, I don't 4 believe. So, it's -- you know, all of our bad, is the right 5 terminology in the modern day, for not letting that happen, 6 but we can do it now. But I think we need to go into a 7 meeting saying, "Look, there's a way to do this that -- that 8 we think we can accelerate it," and Mooney's comfortable with 9 it. We ought to have Mooney in the planning committee 10 meeting. So, that -- that's what I -- my comment on that. 11 So -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree with all that, except 13 from the standpoint of just moving forward with the fix. 14 Because I think that, you know, Mooney -- yes, it's an 15 important thing to them, but they also understand that we -- 16 you know, there's an issue on emergency, of us going into our 17 budget right now. There are other ways we could possibly do 18 it. But I think the -- the issue that's been focused on by 19 City Council, which I think was the one pushing this issue a 20 lot -- and I might note that the City Council is not united 21 on this at all. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't even know if there's 24 enough votes for them to go forward immediately. That's up 25 to them. But I know that there are some on Council that are 6-2-14 9 1 not in tune or in agreement with what the Mayor's comments 2 have been, certainly, if not the majority of them. But I 3 don't care about City Council; they've got to deal with 4 themselves over there. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, they're our partner in 6 the facility; we need to care about them. But the planning 7 committee -- we do need to care about them, so -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think the -- I mean, we 9 need to look at the issue, and the focus has been, can we go 10 into reserves and declare an emergency? Well, put that 11 aside. I mean, you know, I don't know that we need to even 12 have that. There's ways we can do it. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So -- and that's -- and we've 15 been focused on this, or not -- the Mayor seems to be focused 16 on the reserve issue and emergency issue. Well, we can -- we 17 can put it on our agenda and go borrow the money, and in a 18 two-week period, and do it if we have to. If we decide to. 19 So, I mean, there's a lot -- and there's other ways. We 20 could issue a bond for it. It takes longer than two weeks, 21 but, I mean, there's things that can be done for the -- and 22 the statement that I hear about we don't have the money and 23 aren't going to fix it and aren't going to fund it, it's just 24 not true. And I think until we come up with a -- a true 25 plan -- and I think the Airport Board is correct in doing the 6-2-14 10 1 consultant. I think Mooney understands that. And, you know, 2 they -- yes, it's an inconvenience to them. They have -- 3 when I was over there, I went on another tour, and yes, they 4 have tarps that are, you know, embarrassing to the City and 5 the County to have to have tarps, but they have tarps over 6 all this new, very expensive equipment they have. They have 7 another over half-a-million-dollar piece of equipment coming, 8 I think, next week. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And -- but they also understand 11 the whole process, and they understand that we have to, you 12 know, work through our system, and the City has to work 13 through their system. Whether we add in the motion that up 14 to -- you know, up to 500,000, I don't have a problem with 15 that. The problem I do have is that we don't know the best 16 fix. We have a solution identified by someone who made some 17 sense, but in looking at the facility again, I still have 18 some real concerns if that's the best long-term solution. 19 And I think also it needs to be clear, too, that Money, when 20 they came up with that fix, they were looking at a quick fix. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not necessarily the best 23 long-term fix. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I think that's important. 6-2-14 11 1 Do we want to do the quick fix, or the best long-term fix? I 2 think Mooney's going to be here for years to come. And I 3 think that, you know, for me to vote to spend tax dollars on 4 a -- what may not be the long-term fix, I have a problem with 5 that. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me -- let me add one other 7 thing, if I may. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There could be other people 9 in the room who want to have a conversation -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, if I may. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- have a conversation too. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The headline I'd like to read 13 is "The County will fund its share of the Mooney facility." 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay? That's the headline. 16 We will do that. We understand that it's necessary. We 17 understand it's our facility. I think we can look at, you 18 know, what is the best solution for our tenant that's out 19 there right now, whether it's -- whether it's a 15-year quick 20 fix or whether it's a long-term fix. That's -- that's the 21 kind of discussion we can have, okay? And I yield to you. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. And I 23 disagree with one of your statements, is give them what they 24 want. I think that's a -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 6-2-14 12 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- that's a bad statement at 2 this point in the game, in my opinion. And, Commissioner 3 Letz, I disagree with your statement, the County has the 4 financial ability to address... I don't know that that's 5 true. We have no idea what -- we don't know, have no idea 6 what the bills are going to be, number one. And number two, 7 I've been thinking about this a lot, just like y'all have, 8 and I look at -- I try to look at the county as a whole. And 9 I think about -- of course, law enforcement will take every 10 penny you have if you let it. But we have a jail out there 11 that is full, and some of us have been through a jail that's 12 full, and the county refused to do anything about it. We 13 have closure, and that's not a fun thing to go through. We 14 have -- in that county jail, we have two options. One is to 15 send our overload to other counties, pay them per-day for 16 beds, transport them back and forth to the courtrooms, et 17 cetera, et cetera, or not arrest them. And I don't like 18 either one of those options. 19 So, I look at getting bad guys off the streets, and 20 I look at fixing a hole in a roof. You know, what is the 21 priority? The priority to me is getting bad people off the 22 streets. And I know it's more than a hole in the roof. But 23 if you look at it that way, it weighs out a little 24 differently than what we're talking about. We're talking 25 about borrowing money now to fix something. I am not going 6-2-14 13 1 to fight or fuss; I'll vote along with the majority to get 2 things done. But I think the Judge -- I yield my time to 3 you, sir. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I want to hear what 5 Commissioner Reeves has to say. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, I agree with the -- the 7 Court that Mooney's an important asset to this county and the 8 area. It has been for years. It's got some of the most 9 loyal employees you'll see at any industry. They love 10 working for Mooney. I too have taken the tour, and there is 11 a definite need for something to be done. As far as my 12 concerns, I kind of disagree with Number 1 that -- about 13 borrowing the money if we have to. I'm -- I feel like this 14 is a prudent business decision. I don't like to just keep 15 borrowing, but if we need to find the money -- but I want 16 everybody to know that there's been some misconceptions that 17 this Court is against any repairs, and I hear that on the 18 street; I've been stopped, that we diverted money from Mooney 19 to put into the new facilities at the event center. And to 20 the best of my recollection, we have not done any of that. 21 And some of this coming out needs to be clarified now, that 22 we want to fix it. We need to find the money. As I asked 23 last week, I want to make sure whatever we do is legal and 24 follows the laws. If it's competitive bidding, if it's lease 25 negotiations, whatever there may be, I want us to make sure 6-2-14 14 1 we're following the law. I also like this idea on the 2 committee. Y'all get together, and let's stop going all 3 which ways. Let's get it done and have a -- have a path that 4 we know which way to go, because you're not going to get 5 anyplace if everybody's going a different direction. Let's 6 get unified and go forward. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I think we're all in agreement that 8 we want -- we want to do what's necessary to repair the roof 9 at Mooney. That's the one thing, and I think we're committed 10 to do that. And I'm suggesting that we do everything we can 11 to accelerate that procedure within the law, and find some 12 way to come up with the money and get it done, and get it 13 over with. I've about decided that Mooney got their own 14 estimate for their -- for what they call putting a blanket 15 across the roof out there, and it may well be -- it may well 16 be a temporary fix, Jonathan, but it's what they want. And 17 if it gets them down the road and gets a lease signed, and 18 with that -- with Mooney agreeing to maintain the premises, 19 then I think maybe we ought to consider doing that as quickly 20 as possible, and maybe based on their bill. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't have a problem with 22 that. I think you have to go back -- I don't want to 23 certainly speak for Mooney, but I think if any of you ask 24 Mooney as to how they came -- where they came up with that 25 price, it's pretty enlightening, specifically that question 6-2-14 15 1 as to why that came up. And it was -- I'm not going to go 2 into details, 'cause I don't -- you know, but I think the -- 3 and I just also do want to address one thing that 4 Commissioner Baldwin said, where I said the County has the 5 financial ability to address it. I didn't say we were going 6 to address it necessarily. We have the ability to do it, and 7 I think we have the ability to address it whether it's 8 500,000 or a million. I think that there's a lot -- and I 9 talked to Mooney about a lot of different options, just to 10 say, "Hey, you know, there's -- there's lots of ways to do 11 this." And I think once we know the amount, then we can 12 further address it, and it may be a combination of reserves, 13 borrowing, and -- and working with Mooney on the lease. I 14 mean, until we know exactly the amount and we have a definite 15 plan, I think it's a little bit hard for us to come up with a 16 definite number. But, you know, I think that we're -- 17 everything I've heard is that we're committed to fixing the 18 roof, and that's what I hope to do with the motion that I 19 have on the table. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I think there's one 21 other thing, too. The roof is part of it, of our facility -- 22 ours, the City and the County's facility. The thing that was 23 attractive to me when we first heard about this blanket -- 24 let me just call it the blanket over all the roofs concept, 25 and with the long-term warranty on it, the thing that was 6-2-14 16 1 attractive to me from the taxpayer perspective is Mooney 2 says, "This is all we need to have done." There are a lot of 3 other things out there, Jonathan, and everybody else, I 4 think, knows that, but we could go from electrical to 5 plumbing to restrooms to everything else. If Mooney is 6 willing to upgrade that facility if the roof is repaired, 7 then I think that's -- that's a major, major plus from the 8 City/County standpoint. For Mooney to move forward and 9 accept the other responsibilities, that would be a -- that 10 would be a huge plus, 'cause if we start peeling that onion, 11 I think we're going to find rotten stuff -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No kidding. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- in there. So that -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: You suggested the possibility, too, 15 to a maximum of $500,000 on the motion. Do you -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't have any problem with 17 putting the ability to go "up to," you know, "around 18 500,000," something like that, to add that to "County has 19 financial ability to address facility needs in the range of 20 500,000," or "up to 500,000" or -- you know, that's fine. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: So, is that your motion now? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, I'll amend that. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. There's been a motion 25 and a second. Is there any further discussion? 6-2-14 17 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Would you mind reviewing the 2 motion for me, please? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's as -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand this document 5 here. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's what it is. This is the 7 motion, except on four, it says, "County has the financial 8 ability to address the facility needs up to 500,000." 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Up to 500,000. That's okay with 10 me. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fine. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 13 There being none, those in favor, raise your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous vote. Thank 16 you, gentlemen. All right. Let's go to 1.2; consider, 17 discuss, and take appropriate action on appointing a 18 day-to-day county representative for construction of the 19 Exhibit Hall at the Hill Country Youth Event Center. 20 Commissioner Letz again. 21 (Commissioner Moser left the meeting.) 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Hopefully this will be a little 23 bit quicker. At the initial meeting that Commissioner Reeves 24 and I attended with the contractor, architect, to kind of go 25 over the process going forward of getting the building built, 6-2-14 18 1 they asked a question. Who do they call day-to-day? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good question. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we said, "Not us." 4 (Laughter.) Anyway, we talked about it, and actually we 5 talked about one of us, both of us, something like that, but 6 we feel that the best person to do that -- and that person 7 may want to delegate it -- would be Len Odom. And presumably 8 it would be probably -- you know, in my mind, we think 9 Charlie Hastings. That's up to Len. Maybe Donne, whoever 10 Len really feels comfortable delegating, 'cause they've been 11 very involved. They're close; they're across the street. 12 They're knowledgeable with the -- kind of how things were 13 done the last time. Obviously, in the very beginning, the 14 early phases, they're doing the work. And it will be working 15 with the -- probably the plumbing contractor a little bit, or 16 the architect or whoever the people are. So to me, you know, 17 I think it would be -- we should designate Len Odom or his 18 designee to be the responsible person for day-to-day 19 operation. There's no decision -- no implied authority to 20 change anything. It's just a matter of, "Hey, we need to 21 know this." And then Leonard can either call Maintenance, 22 have his staff do it or whoever. So, that's my motion. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I'll second it -- 25 co-second. 6-2-14 19 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further discussion? 2 There being none, those in favor, signify by raising your 3 right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: 3-0. Let the record reflect that 6 Commissioner Moser had to leave. I think he has a doctor's 7 appointment that he had to go to. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, on that point, let me 9 just make another comment. They asked about inspections and 10 things, and our -- our view on inspections were that the 11 architect is responsible for signing off on, you know, the 12 technical -- whether the work is actually being done and all 13 that. But we said, however, since we do have a -- a county 14 engineer on staff, and he's, of course, subject to 15 Mr. Odom's -- that we thought that it would be likely that 16 our county engineer, Charlie Hastings, would be on-site on a 17 regular basis, and would notify -- and we would look to him 18 for -- kind of as to looking at it from an inspection 19 standpoint. Not doing inspections, not requiring 20 inspections. Just saying, hey, if he sees a red flag, get 21 the word either to the architect or to one of us, and we can 22 handle that. Because it's something we didn't have in the 23 past, and probably ought to utilize his abilities. So -- but 24 that's up to Mr. Odom how he wants to handle this issue. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. The motion -- there's 6-2-14 20 1 an outstanding motion, I think, isn't there? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We voted, I think. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: No, we have voted on it. All 4 right, let's move to 1.3 then; consider, discuss, and take 5 appropriate action to approve a new full-time position at the 6 Juvenile Detention Facility and authorize an increase in the 7 part-time salary. Jason Davis and Dawn Lantz, please. 8 MR. DAVIS: Good morning, Your Honor, 9 Commissioners. On the full-time position, I wish to scratch 10 that. We're not -- we don't want to address that right now. 11 I think that would be something that might need to be 12 addressed in the future with the new -- with the incoming 13 administrator. But, obviously, an issue that I'm prepared to 14 go forward on right now is the issue of the part-time salary 15 increase. Our part-time J.S.O.'s, juvenile supervision 16 officers, they're making about half the amount of money 17 hourly -- hourly wage that our full-time staff are. Because 18 of that disparity, obviously, there's been some issues with 19 retention, and we are asking this Court permission to raise 20 the part-time salaries -- or hourly wage, rather, not salary. 21 Hourly wage up to that of the full-time staff members. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Are they going to work full-time? 23 MR. DAVIS: Sir? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Are they going to work full time? 25 MR. DAVIS: No, sir. They have to remain under 29 6-2-14 21 1 hours weekly in order to meet -- in order to stay part-time 2 so that they don't receive benefits. What we're talking 3 about specifically is, right now, I believe they're at $8 an 4 hour. We're looking at going to $15.20 an hour, which on 5 this position schedule is a 15.5. And Dawn can explain a 6 little bit more about their -- their consistency issues. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, before Dawn -- I have a 8 question. Will there be a budget -- are you going to request 9 additional funds? 10 MR. DAVIS: No, sir, not in the current budget. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And with that being said, I 12 don't recall this Court ever setting part-time salaries. I 13 think that fits within your budget; I think you have probably 14 discretion to do it. I mean, I -- that's just my feeling on 15 it. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You have -- you have that 17 amount of money in your part-time line? 18 MR. DAVIS: We're going to -- we have it in our 19 part-time and then excess from the facility administrator 20 position that's currently open. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So it will be transferring 22 money from one position to another? 23 MR. DAVIS: It will require a budget amendment, I 24 believe. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That would require some 6-2-14 22 1 Commissioners Court action. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That would, yeah. Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And you think -- now, is 4 this just a trial deal that you're trying here because you 5 think that if we throw a little money there, then that's 6 going to retain people in the part-time program, and that's 7 why it's hard to find people, and that's why it's hard to 8 keep people, is because there's absolutely zero money there? 9 MR. DAVIS: I -- I hope that it will help, yes. 10 The issue that we have with our part-timers is when part-time 11 employees are seeking employment, they say, "Okay, well, I'm 12 going to work on Saturdays and Sundays," or, "I want to work 13 nights." Our part-timers are basically on call. They're 14 worked into the schedule throughout the month here and there 15 to fill holes, but they're also on call, so we may -- we may 16 call a part-timer if one of our full-timers doesn't show up. 17 And because of that lack of consistency for the employee -- 18 for the part-time employee, it makes it really difficult for 19 that employee. We think that getting their hourly wage up 20 will probably be a little bit more incentive for them to say, 21 "Yes, I want to go ahead and pick up that shift. Yes, I'm 22 available." 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Talk to me about part-time 24 employees. What kind of people do you got? What are they 25 doing with the rest of the time? Are they students somewhere 6-2-14 23 1 that are working part-time, or people that just want to work 2 part-time, or what age group? What are you talking about? 3 MR. DAVIS: Your Honor, we don't have any students 4 currently, but one individual that I can think of, this is -- 5 this is his main job right now. And we have another young 6 lady that's a -- she's a former employee that has returned. 7 I think with all of our four part-timers we have now, these 8 are individuals that hope that the job will become full-time. 9 They're hoping it's a door and a step into a full-time 10 position at the facility. And I need to correct myself; we 11 have one J.S.O., a male, that is starting -- he's under 12 training right now. He actually is a student. He is wanting 13 to go to the Game Warden Academy. He's a former T.D.C. 14 employee, and he -- he actually is a student currently right 15 now, and he's hoping that this will, again, help his resume 16 when he goes to apply for that academy later on. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: How many hours a week are 18 they currently working? Not the max that you've talked 19 about. Are they working the 29 hours? 20 MR. DAVIS: They're getting pretty close to it, 21 yes, sir. We have to cut them off right there. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And they're making, you said, 23 $8 an hour? 24 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What kind of training do they 6-2-14 24 1 have? 2 MR. DAVIS: We have -- T.J.J.D., the regulatory 3 agency, Texas Juvenile Justice Department, requires 80 hours 4 of training for every J.S.O., juvenile supervision officer, 5 per year. It's pretty intensive. And roughly 40 of those 6 hours have to be before they can -- and this is before they 7 can even receive their certification to become a J.S.O. 8 Roughly half of those hours they have to receive before they 9 can even have contact with a child, so before they go on the 10 floor to work, we have to train them almost for a week, and 11 work that into scheduling before they can even go onto the 12 floor and count in our ratio in order to help, 'cause we have 13 to maintain a ratio of resident-to-staff. And so we have to 14 spend almost a week with them in training before they can 15 even hit the floor in order to count for that, and so the 16 training is very intensive. It really is. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So, basically, with all this 18 training that's required just to work there -- and they're 19 making just a few cents above minimum wage is what you're 20 saying; is that correct? 21 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: With all of this training, 23 what will -- and I don't know whether the Auditor or which 24 one -- what are we talking in dollars? How much are we 25 needing to increase? 6-2-14 25 1 MR. DAVIS: We're going from $8 an hour to $15.20 2 per hour, so almost double. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- you know, I don't 5 have a problem with this. I think $8 as minimum -- as a 6 salary is too low. I mean, it's just not going to get any 7 kind of qualified people, and we have a lot of liability. We 8 need, you know, quality people in all -- all positions 9 anywhere, but it's a very important facility, in my mind. 10 So -- you know, and I'm going to defer to Jason's view on 11 this. He has the money within his budget, even though it 12 will take a budget amendment. I have no -- I'll make a 13 motion to approve his request to raise part-time salaries 14 to -- $15.20? Up to $15.20. Does not have to be -- up to 15 that amount. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Was it "15.20" or "15 to 20"? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It's actually 15 dollars, 20 cents 18 per hour, which on the position schedule is a 15.5. I don't 19 even -- 20 MS. LANTZ: It's 15. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And what's a -- a non-full-time 22 employee? What -- they're 15 -- 23 MS. LANTZ: They're not -- they're just basically 24 $8 an hour. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, but what are the 6-2-14 26 1 non-full-time -- full-time ones, what are they? 2 MS. LANTZ: 18.5. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: So we're not getting them up to 4 that -- 5 MR. DAVIS: No, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's my motion, $15.20 an 7 hour. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Is there 11 any further discussion? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, when do you provide us 13 with the amendment to transfer money? 14 MS. HARGIS: They don't need an amendment right 15 now. It's very possible that they could go to September 16 without needing very much of an amendment. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 18 MS. HARGIS: There's still $20,000 in this line 19 item. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So we may not have to amend 21 the budget at all? 22 MR. DAVIS: Correct. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so we'd add it into the 24 new budget. 25 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 6-2-14 27 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very good. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 3 being none, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising 4 your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It's three-zero, and that passes. 7 MR. DAVIS: Thank you all, appreciate it. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the regular agenda. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, Judge, I see an 10 Item 1.4 back here. I think we add agenda items right up to 11 this morning, probably. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, I got them turned over here. 13 Let's see; consider discuss, and take appropriate action 14 regarding Kerr County tax resales. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's a timed item, Your 16 Honor. 17 MS. BOLIN: At 10 o'clock. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This agenda item is a timed 19 item for 10 o'clock. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Sure was. 21 MS. HARGIS: Could you pay the bills? 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll have to wait, 23 then. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can we pay the bills like 25 the lady requested? 6-2-14 28 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move we pay the bills. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Any 4 further discussion on the motion to pay the bills? There 5 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 6 hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 3-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's three-zero, unanimous. Okay. 9 What else can we do to delay things till 10:00? We have to 10 go into the budget process, I guess. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Mr. Walston, is our new 4-H 12 agent available? 13 MR. WALSTON: She's not here right now. She's 14 finishing up her paperwork. I'll get with y'all. We're 15 having a meet-and-greet at the office tonight from 5:00 to 16 7:30, if y'all would like to come by. I'd invite anybody 17 else to come out and meet -- Amber Hoffman is our new 4-H 18 agent; she'll be starting today, and so she'll have about a 19 week overlap with Laurinda. So, she gets a week training, 20 and we'll -- she'll be having her feet to the fire. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I guess we're going to have 22 to close the regular session and then go into the workshop 23 portion -- go into the workshop on the budget, and then we'll 24 come out of the workshop at 10 o'clock and go back to the 25 regular agenda. All right, the regular session is closed, 6-2-14 29 1 and we're going into workshop now. Yes, ma'am? 2 MS. HARGIS: Do you want to just recess it? 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 4 MS. HARGIS: Just recess. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: No, we're going to go ahead and -- 6 well, do you want to recess? Everybody want a recess? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think she means recess the 8 Commissioners Court meeting, as opposed to close. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Recess it. 10 MS. HARGIS: Instead of close. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: I'll recess it, go into the 12 workshop portion, and then reconvene at 10 o'clock to take up 13 Item 1.4. All right. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I'd like to ask a 15 question, if I could. Really not a question; I want to make 16 a request here. In our workshop schedule, one of the -- one 17 of the departments that we're going to review early on is the 18 County Clerk's office. And I spoke with the present County 19 Clerk, and she doesn't see the necessity of inviting the new 20 County Clerk in here, but I do. And I would like for us to 21 invite her to sit during the -- because she has some 22 questions and some input in this thing, and it's going to be 23 her budget that she's responsible for. So, we'll get to 24 that, if you don't mind. We'll invite her down here. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, that's fine. 6-2-14 30 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Tell you what, I am going to 3 declare a five-minute recess. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good for you. 5 (Recess taken from 9:36 a.m. to 10:15 a.m.) 6 - - - - - - - - - - 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, we'll recess the -- recess 8 the budget session, and reconvene the regular session of the 9 Commissioners Court for Item 1.4; consider, discuss, and take 10 appropriate action regarding Kerr County tax resales. Diane 11 Bolin. And Jerry Shiever. 12 MS. BOLIN: And Jerry Shiever. Gentlemen, this is 13 our tax attorney that works for all of the entities in the 14 county. In light of the fact that we have new board members, 15 we are -- and a new judge, we're bringing this back before 16 the Court. When we have a tax sale -- which is very seldom, 17 but when we do have a tax sale at the county, properties that 18 do not sell go in trust to the county. At that point, we are 19 able to take bids on it. In the past, Judge Tinley had 20 allowed us to accept the bids and get the property back on 21 the roll and move on. It's at the Court's discretion as to 22 whether that's what you want to do or not. Mr. Shiever came 23 so that he could explain more about it and answer any 24 questions that y'all had. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: That was with a motion passed by 6-2-14 31 1 the Commissioners Court giving you that authority, wasn't it? 2 MS. BOLIN: Correct. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Back in 1999, I believe; is that 4 correct? 5 MR. SHIEVER: Yes. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Mr. Shiever? 7 MR. SHIEVER: I went back and read that copy of 8 that letter that I sent to you. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, you read it to me. That's 10 how I knew it. 11 MR. SHIEVER: And I'd forgotten that agreement. 12 The reason we looked at it at this point was someone was 13 wanting title insurance on property, and we went and looked 14 for the order, and it wasn't there. Because I had always 15 operated under that. That went back to Doris Smith way back 16 in the '70's or '80's; I don't even know, but we couldn't 17 find an order, so I thought that that's what -- where we 18 ought to get one at the time, and we've been operating that 19 way ever since. I can't even remember who the judge was in 20 '99. But I saw -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Danny. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, '99 was Fred. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, '99. I can't remember 24 that far back. I can remember '89. (Laughter.) 25 MR. SHIEVER: So, that's kind of -- 6-2-14 32 1 JUDGE POLLARD: We need a procedure for 2 Commissioners Court, Mr. Shiever, please, when there's a tax 3 sale. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, square one. 5 MR. SHIEVER: Okay. Well, you know, we had a -- a 6 sheriff's tax sale here last month, and all property has a 7 minimum bid required. That minimum bid is what is due in 8 taxes and court costs. It's whatever's due. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: If someone doesn't pay their ad 10 valorem taxes. 11 MR. SHIEVER: Or the value put on by the Appraisal 12 District, whichever is lower, that becomes the minimum bid. 13 And if we don't get a minimum bid, then the sheriff strikes 14 it off to taxing jurisdictions. And in this case, the county 15 was the plaintiff in all those cases, and so we -- it was 16 struck off to the county in trust for itself and all the 17 other jurisdictions. And we immediately got some offers for 18 resales. A resale is when it's taken in trust, and we're 19 going to turn around and sell it in some form or fashion, and 20 that's -- in that situation, the jurisdictions can take less 21 than what's due against it, or -- value. They can take less 22 than the minimum bid, but all the jurisdictions have to 23 approve. Now, if we get a bid that's equal to or above the 24 minimum bid, then only the trustee jurisdiction has to 25 approve, whether that be y'all or whether it be Diane. 6-2-14 33 1 We don't have this very often. That's one of the 2 reasons we're all kind of, "Wait, what do we do? I don't 3 remember." And when we got those first resales, if I 4 remember, I went back and looked at that order to see if it 5 was office-specific or person-specific, but it was just 6 office-specific. So, it would apply to Diane just like it 7 did Paula. But I couldn't remember, 'cause like I said, we 8 have so few sheriff's sales and resales. Property in 9 Kerrville is just more valuable, and you just don't have that 10 much that's vacant, abandoned. And whether -- whether it's 11 the County Commissioners' decision or whether it's Diane's 12 decision, these are all private sales. I mean, they don't 13 have to be readvertised. They don't have to be auctioned. 14 Whenever we get -- my recommendation in one respect is if we 15 get multiple bids on a single property, then a lot of times I 16 like to write -- write all the bidders and tell them how much 17 the bids were that we had gotten and ask them to resubmit 18 sealed bids, because people just keep going back and forth. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Get them bidding against each 20 other. 21 MR. SHIEVER: Yeah. In fact, let me tell you about 22 a situation in Brazoria County I had one time that 23 illustrates this whole process. This was a commercial 24 property there in Brazoria County, and it didn't sell for the 25 minimum bid. I think the minimum bid may have been $10,000 6-2-14 34 1 or something like that. So, we started getting some resale 2 bids of $2,000 or $3,000, and they kept going back and forth. 3 And so I wrote them and told them, "Submit a sealed bid." 4 They did, and then the Commissioners -- no, I guess this was 5 Alvin College was the trustee, or maybe Alvin School; I can't 6 remember which -- considered that highest bid. But while -- 7 now it's posted on the agenda. While this time elapsed, 8 somebody else came in. And, of course, that bid was then 9 known, 'cause it was on the agenda, so the other guys came in 10 and started bidding again. And that went on several times 11 like that -- several months. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: And did you get over the minimum 13 bid? 14 MR. SHIEVER: Oh, yeah. Well, no, they didn't at 15 that point. They didn't at that point, but they were just 16 barely inching up; I think maybe 4,000 or 5,000 at that 17 point. So, what I decided to do was I would hold an auction, 18 and so I wrote all the -- all those bidders and told them we 19 were going to have an auction, and the minimum -- and there 20 would be a minimum bid based on what was due on the property. 21 Then I went to the jurisdictions and got them to agree that 22 as long as we got the minimum bid, then that would be it. I 23 dropped the gavel; that was done. So, we had -- had an 24 auction in the Tax Office, back room of the Tax Office. And 25 guess what the property sold for? $90,000. Those people 6-2-14 35 1 were just waiting around, trying to see what they can get, 2 the best thing they can get. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: And they got caught up in the race? 4 MR. SHIEVER: Well, when you're looking straight at 5 somebody -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 7 MR. SHIEVER: -- and you know what the bid is, it's 8 a little bit different than just submitting something blind. 9 But that sort of illustrates the whole process. One other 10 thing that can happen; jurisdictions can ask the Sheriff to 11 hold a second resale, and suggest to the Sheriff what the 12 minimum bid ought to be. It can be less. 'Cause I think in 13 Brazoria County, we usually -- under a sheriff's sale, I 14 think we started the bidding at half what the original 15 minimum bid was. Brazoria County just has so many, many, 16 many properties that this is a very time-consuming process 17 with them. We don't have that very often here. It's not all 18 that time-consuming. It would obviously be a little bit more 19 time-consuming if y'all take -- take the authority back, 20 because then you got to put it on the agenda, and we have 21 to -- to get you some information, usually from the Appraisal 22 District. And somebody can come in and put another bid in 23 while you're waiting, you know, to have your meeting. And I 24 don't know whether or not -- if the agenda could say, well, 25 we're going to consider a bid of "X" dollars or any other 6-2-14 36 1 bids that we get prior to that time. I don't know whether we 2 could do it that way or not. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, at any rate, the issue here 4 today is who -- who do we want to have the authority? 5 MR. SHIEVER: Right. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: To -- presently, under the 1999 7 order that was passed by the Commissioners Court, Diane Bolin 8 has that right to accept those bids. We can change that. 9 Prior to that, I think at one time it was the County Judge. 10 It could be Commissioners Court. What do you want to do? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How many have we had since '99, 12 ballpark? 13 MS. BOLIN: We've had one that went for resale, and 14 that was under Paula's term. This time, with this last sale, 15 we had numerous properties, which is very unusual for us. 16 Usually it's only one or two. But I have about eight bids on 17 those properties that I've had since the day of the sale, 18 because some of them came in that day with it all written out 19 what they wanted to bid. Some of the bids had gone over the 20 minimum; some of them are below. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we have a standardized bid 22 form? 23 MS. BOLIN: Do we have one? No, we don't, because 24 we don't do it very often. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Regardless, you were getting 6-2-14 37 1 them on Big Chief tablets, number two pencils, and -- 2 MS. BOLIN: Well, what I requested was the property 3 I.D. number, the description, their name, address, phone 4 number, e-mail address, and the bid. That's the information 5 that I requested. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I understand all that 7 information. I'm not sure if that's truly a valid offer. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There's a lawyer right 9 there. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: There's three of them in 11 here. I'm just talking without a license. 12 MR. SHIEVER: All you got to do is make a bid. We 13 have to know what the property is, and may have to be able to 14 notify them one way or the other. This doesn't take much. 15 That's about all that's required that I know of. Brazoria 16 County has a written bid form, and that's all it requires. 17 MS. BOLIN: All it is is the account number, the 18 legal description, and -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Same information. 20 MR. SHIEVER: They do require, Bob, a deposit in 21 Brazoria County. A lot of people would make a bid and then 22 you never would hear from them again. 23 MS. BOLIN: Right. 24 MR. SHIEVER: And that whole process doesn't have 25 any statutes that apply. You make your own rules, basically. 6-2-14 38 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I want to leave it 2 with the Tax Assessor. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. That was the issue. We need 4 to decide what we're going to do. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I guess that was a motion? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I expect it was. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The question I have is that 10 the -- how do we handle the liability if you sell something 11 that's not -- shouldn't be -- should you make a mistake? 12 Where does that -- 13 MR. SHIEVER: The Sheriff's deed or trust deed is 14 like a quitclaim deed. There's two warranties involved. 15 That's one reason people don't expect to pay full value for a 16 piece of property. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tax Assessor/Collector. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Be the Tax Assessor. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's exactly right. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: So we don't have to change it later 21 on if she -- when we change it. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, once it gets to the point 23 of being on -- at a sheriff's sale, it's a -- I mean, going 24 after that, there's no liability to the Tax Assessor's 25 office. 6-2-14 39 1 MR. SHIEVER: Even the original sheriff's sale, a 2 sheriff's deed is a quitclaim deed, which means as-is, 3 without warranty, and so there's no resale after that. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 5 MS. BOLIN: And everything that I do goes through 6 him first, so I always get my legal counsel to make sure I'm 7 good. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to make sure -- 10 and my motion is that it stays with the Tax Assessor/ 11 Collector, not necessarily you -- 12 MS. BOLIN: Correct. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- in particular. 14 MR. SHIEVER: That's the way the present order is. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think what Diane says is a 16 good point, too. I would suggest maybe saying it will go 17 through the legal counsel, okay, as part of the motion, if 18 that's okay with you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Actually, I'm not sure we even need 20 a motion. If we leave the one from 1999 in effect, that's 21 what it is. 22 MR. SHIEVER: If you don't change it, that's where 23 we are. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: That's where we are. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 6-2-14 40 1 JUDGE POLLARD: So, you withdraw your motion? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, I do. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: And you withdraw your second? All 4 right, we're home. Thank you. 5 MS. BOLIN: All right, thank you very much, 6 gentlemen. 7 MR. SHIEVER: Thank you, gentlemen. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hey, Jerry, how long have 9 you worked for Kerr County? God, I fell -- I got off of 10 Noah's Ark in here somewhere, and you were here already. 11 MS. BOLIN: I started in '86, and he was here. 12 MR. SHIEVER: I was 12 when I started. (Laughter.) 13 I don't know, early '80's. But Doris hired me to defend the 14 County in a suit in the late '70's. We didn't start the 15 actual delinquent tax collection process until the early 16 '80's, I think. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good lord. Okay, thank you. 18 Good to see you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. We appreciate it. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Pray for rain. 21 MR. SHIEVER: Thank y'all. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Now we'll recess the open 23 session, and go back to our budget session, reopen the budget 24 session. 25 / 6-2-14 41 1 (Commissioners Court was recessed at 10:15 a.m., and the budget workshop was resumed, after which 2 a discussion was held off the record and this meeting was scheduled to be reconvened on June 3, 3 2014, at 9:00 a.m.) 4 - - - - - - - - - - 5 6 7 STATE OF TEXAS | 8 COUNTY OF KERR | 9 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 10 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 11 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 12 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 13 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 3rd day of June, 2014. 14 15 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 16 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 17 Certified Shorthand Reporter 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-2-14