1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, July 28, 2014 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X July 28, 2014 2 PAGE --- Visitors' Input 5 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 8 4 1.27 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding Schreiner University Marketing 5 Assessment of the Exhibit Hall 11 6 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on final approval to name a privately maintained 7 road Melanie Witt Lane West in Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs, Precinct 4 30 8 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 9 Local Option Liquor petition for Precinct 2, to include number of signatures required, received, 10 and qualified, list of signatures, and action to be taken on said petitions 31 11 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 12 approve optional $10 County Road & Bridge fee for 2015 vehicle registrations per request from 13 Texas Department of Motor Vehicles 33 14 1.8 Update on Christian Youth Rally scheduled at Flat Rock Lake Park on September 6th 34 15 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 16 regarding resolution on securing the border between the U.S. and Mexico 39 17 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 18 fill budgeted positions due to recent resignations at the Juvenile Detention Facility 48 19 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to set 20 public hearing for August 11, 2014, at 9:30 a.m. for District Clerk's written archival plan 49 21 1.6 Presentation of GFOA Distinguished Budget Award 51 22 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding 23 South Texas Blood and Tissue doing blood drive on August 13, 2014 in courthouse parking lot 53 24 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 25 regarding Kerr County contributing to operations of the Butt-Holdsworth Library 53 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) July 28, 2014 2 PAGE 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 3 regarding KEDC Strategic Plan and Operations 63 4 1.15 Update regarding Kerr County War Memorial 74 5 1.18 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding Kerrville South Wastewater System 6 Contract Change Order #2 77 7 1.19 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding funding applications to the T.W.D.B. 8 for C.W.S.R.F. and E.D.A.P. for the Center Point Wastewater System 86 9 1.20 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 10 regarding a resolution requesting financial assistance from T.W.D.B. for construction and 11 equipping of a wastewater system in the Center Point area 89 12 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 13 regarding the sale and/or use of rainwater collected at the Ag Barn -- 14 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 15 regarding Mooney International roof repairs 94 16 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize County Auditor to do audit for ESD #2 96 17 1.16 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 18 resolution supporting Hyperbaric Oxygen Therapy for veterans with brain injury 97 19 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 20 regarding joining Choice Partners Purchasing Co-op 101 21 1.21 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to set rates for use of Hill Country Youth Event Center 103 22 1.22 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 23 regarding update of construction at Hill Country Youth Event Center and related issues 116 24 1.23 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 25 approve Change Orders #3 and #4 for the Event Hall at the Hill Country Youth Event Center 119 4 1 I N D E X (Continued) July 28, 2014 2 PAGE 1.24 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 3 authorize change order to accommodate catering kitchen at Hill Country Youth Event Center 122 4 1.25 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 5 authorize design of catering kitchen at Hill Country Youth Event Center and update master 6 plan of entire facility, including River Star Arts & Event Park, Flat Rock Park, and other 7 potential facilities 124 8 1.26 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize Peter Lewis, Tim Bollier, and Charlie 9 Hastings to work with Southwest Sound to request proposal for a sound system in the Event Hall at 10 the Hill Country Youth Event Center 126 11 4.1 Pay Bills 131 4.2 Budget Amendments 132 12 4.3 Late Bills --- 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 133 13 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 14 Assignments 134 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 134 15 1.28 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 16 regarding bankruptcy, legal, leasing, financial and other related issues related to the River 17 Star Arts and Events Park (Executive Session) --- 18 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed in Executive Session 138 19 --- Adjourned 142 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 On Monday, July 28, 2014, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's 9 a.m., and it's July 8 the 28th, 2014. The Kerr County Commissioners Court is in 9 session. I believe it's my turn today, so please rise for 10 prayer. 11 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Please be seated. 13 Okay, the first -- first one is the public part of it, 14 visitors' input. Is there anybody that wishes to address the 15 Commissioners Court? Mr. Hill, did you want to address the 16 Commissioners Court? 17 MR. HILL: Sir? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Did you want to address the 19 Commissioners Court? 20 MR. HILL: Yes. I thought I had to wait till my 21 item came up. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm going to give it to you right 23 now. 24 MR. HILL: Okay, thank you. I'm Don Hill. I've 25 been living here for almost 30 years now. I wasn't born 7-28-14 6 1 here, but I got here as quick as I could. We -- my wife and 2 I have been putting on gun shows for -- January, it will be 3 37 years. And I've done the gun shows here and in 4 Fredericksburg for quite some time now, and there is a demand 5 for gun shows here that's bigger than what we've had room 6 for. I think this -- the new building that you're going to 7 build -- I'm not sure what it's going to be called, but it's 8 one of the best things this county's ever done. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: The Exhibit Hall. 10 MR. HILL: And I -- I've already got information 11 from dealers and individuals that come from Austin and San 12 Antonio. Several of my dealers come from San Antonio, and 13 they're looking forward to a building that we can put on a 14 real gun show. And I plan -- we've already -- with Jody, 15 we've already got two or three dates, and I think eventually 16 I'd like to do maybe four, or eventually six. I think we can 17 fill it up. I think we can draw the people. And what that 18 means is -- is bringing people into town that want to spend 19 money. And I would like for you to consider the cost, maybe 20 grandfather me in on some for a certain amount of time. I 21 don't know what kind of rent we're talking about on the new 22 building. It sounds -- from what I've heard, it sounds 23 fantastic, and it's -- it would be a great -- it's going to 24 be a gamble for me to start this. I really think it will go 25 great, but I need a little help maybe at the start. I think 7-28-14 7 1 that's it. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, the subject matter of cost is 3 up on the agenda for today, so we're going to be discussing 4 that. 5 MR. HILL: Okay. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Mr. Hill. 7 MR. HILL: Do I need to stay any longer, Judge? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: That's up to you. Any Commissioner 9 have any questions on it? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think we can -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- can do that during open -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're not supposed to talk. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're supposed to listen. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 16 MR. HILL: One other thing that just came to my 17 mind is the -- we have 200 tables, I think, approximately 18 now, and a few are from the older building. And I've already 19 got -- for the weekend before Thanksgiving, I've already got 20 more than 200 tables promised, and I'm going to have to rent 21 some from -- what I've been doing is renting them from Five 22 Star, but I'd rather give the money to the county than to -- 23 instead of to them. And if, possibly, we could put in the 24 budget some more tables, I think that would be good. I think 25 they charge us $5 or $6 for the weekend, which is about the 7-28-14 8 1 same thing the rental place charges, but I would rather have 2 them all in one place instead of trying to do two different 3 things. That would be something -- I'd like to make a 4 proposal to get some more tables. Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 6 MR. HILL: Other than that, -- 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 8 MR. HILL: -- do I -- does anybody need any 9 questions? 10 JUDGE POLLARD: That's all. Thank you. 11 MR. HILL: Will it be okay if I leave now? 12 JUDGE POLLARD: It is if you want to, yes. Thanks. 13 MR. HILL: Thank y'all very much. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Uh-huh. All right, there's been 15 a -- well, we'll go to Commissioners' comments, and does 16 Precinct 1 have any comments? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sir, I do. I just want to 18 remind you guys that tomorrow have we dinner on the grounds 19 starting at 11:45 through 1 o'clock. There will be -- we're 20 -- I just saw the mayor walk in. Did he stay? Yeah, there 21 he is. And -- 22 MAYOR PRATT: Do you want me to leave? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I can't be that honest in 24 front of everybody. (Laughter.) The -- our whole makeup on 25 this thing is to invite the city folks to come over and break 7-28-14 9 1 bread with the county family. So, anyway, that's tomorrow, 2 and it starts at 11:45 and ends at 1 o'clock, and there will 3 be some entertainment out there -- bless you. 4 MS. PIEPER: Thank you. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I know some of you guys 6 can't -- are not going to be able to be here. This is a -- 7 we just started putting this together a couple days ago, 8 so -- but we're going to do another one in October, and we 9 can all participate in that. Thank you. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: The part you were talking about, 11 about breaking bread with the city, -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir? 13 JUDGE POLLARD: -- the mayor was busy talking to 14 somebody, and I don't think he heard that. Would you repeat 15 that for his -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. No. 17 MAYOR PRATT: I heard it. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll just remind everybody 20 about the river parade, which is August the 14th or something 21 like that, I believe. And they're looking for participants. 22 So, 12th year, so that's all I've got this morning. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't have anything. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just briefly, I got a call last 25 week from Director Bech Bruun, who's one of the three 7-28-14 10 1 directors at Water Development Board, and he requested a 2 meeting tomorrow morning; Commissioner Moser, myself, and 3 Charlie Hastings, and Ray Buck will be attending that to go 4 over -- he wanted a specific -- a personal update of the 5 wastewater project, the facility project, and regional water 6 plan, so he'll be here tomorrow morning for kind of a 7 get-together so he can familiarize himself more with those 8 three items, which is I think good news. I mean, it's not 9 a -- not real common for one of the directors to come by here 10 for a specific topic. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I had the pleasure of meeting 12 with Don Fuller. He's with the Veterans Assistance Dogs of 13 Texas. They provide service dogs for disabled veterans. 14 They're looking at some land in the area to start a training 15 facility, and I've also asked Mr. Garcia with Animal 16 Services, because this is where they find their animals, is 17 shelters. And if Mr. Garcia, being retired from the -- his 18 service to our country in the Navy, he's going to get with 19 them, and perhaps this will help some of the problems we 20 talked about at the last meeting. So I'm real fortunate to 21 visit with Mr. Fuller, and he wants to come address the Court 22 at some time in the future. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Super. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I had one other thing, if I 25 might, and that's just to compliment U.G.R.A. on the river 7-28-14 11 1 cleanup. A lot of us participated in that on Saturday. I 2 don't know how many tons of stuff that they got, but one 3 thing that was -- that was good from it, last year when I was 4 there, I picked up a whole truckload of old television sets 5 underneath the 480 bridge in Center Point. The Texas -- 6 TexDOT went in and fixed that so nobody can get under there 7 any more. It was pristine clean this year, so real progress 8 is being made because of what U.G.R.A. is doing. So -- and 9 we've talked about -- Jonathan talked about water. We're all 10 talking about water. Well, that was a big thing for this 11 weekend for the whole -- whole community. So, that's it. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. There's been a special 13 request by Commissioner Moser to move Item 1.27 up to the -- 14 earlier for the first consideration this morning, because 15 these are two Schreiner professors that have some other 16 obligations that they have to be back out at Schreiner 17 University for, and they -- and so we're going to let them 18 address the Commissioners Court at this time. So 1.27. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me set this up, if I may. 20 In February, the idea was -- or the proposal was to have 21 Schreiner University take a look from a marketing perspective 22 at the Exhibit Hall which was being considered at that time; 23 that we thought that it would probably go ahead with where it 24 is today, but look at it from a couple perspectives. Number 25 one is to use the students, so we had eight senior students 7-28-14 12 1 participate in this thing, and they -- they got into it hook, 2 line, and sinker. They were really enthusiastic about it. 3 Dr. Serge Ryno and Mark Woodhull led the thing, or probably 4 -- it's hard to lead eight students, but anyway, they did. I 5 think they got a grade on them. They had a great study. The 6 Convention Bureau participated in this with us, looking at 7 the results. So, I think what they have here is something 8 that can be meaningful for -- for the marketing aspect of 9 this. And I know that Commissioners Letz and Reeves have 10 been talking about marketing; it may be coming up on the 11 agenda today. So, I think what they have is to present this. 12 And if Dr. Ryno goes to sleep, he just got back from Ukraine 13 on Friday night after being there for some period of time. 14 So, anyway, we appreciate these guys being here, so let me 15 turn it over to you guys. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: If he's been in the Ukraine, maybe 17 we don't want to have any real loud noises that sound like 18 gunfire. 19 DR. RYNO: Might hit the floor. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He'd hit the floor. 21 DR. RYNO: Well, gentlemen, part of what I'd like 22 to talk about too is -- briefly, is that Schreiner is over 23 there, and it's a good resource for you guys to use. We have 24 professors that are semi-retired people, and we have a lot of 25 eager students to help your projects, and if you ever need 7-28-14 13 1 any clerical stuff or you have issues, I notice, talking 2 about gun control signage, we have a great graphics 3 department; they'll help you build signs. We have a 4 marketing department. I mean, we have a full business thing 5 to help you guys. And so part of our goal with doing this 6 with Tom and Charlie is to try to get Schreiner's name in 7 front of you and say, okay, we can help you with projects you 8 have. You know, we can be a resource for you; we've got 9 cheap labor. Kids are looking for projects to do, and I just 10 wanted you guys to know that. When I first moved here 11 11 years ago, it seemed like there was a somewhat adversarial 12 relationship between Schreiner and Kerrville. I don't know 13 why, what the history is, but it seems like we should 14 partner, and you guys would have a good resource to do 15 projects. 16 But anyhow, Tom and Charlie approached us about 17 looking at the marketing of the event center. And one of the 18 things that the students noticed -- and students are on their 19 phones, you know; kids, you know, and everything else -- 20 there's no really good place here to go to find out about 21 Kerrville. Just, for example, when I first moved here, how 22 do you find a church? I mean, that was a big issue for me 23 when I moved here. Most of it's word of mouth, right? But 24 you can't go -- unless you pull out the Yellow Pages, and 25 that's kind of complicated to get to, how do you find out the 7-28-14 14 1 venues that are here? I mean, I talk to people in town that 2 don't know where the Point Theatre is. Sometimes that 3 surprises me. So, it seems like you could develop on your 4 website a presence or marketing strategy telling people that, 5 you know, "Here's Kerrville; here's the things we have going 6 on here, and here's the different centers and facilities and 7 charges or whatever." And then maybe have somebody help 8 schedule those. 9 You know, I was over at Guadalupe R.V. Park 'cause 10 my sister and her husband were staying down there, and I was 11 wearing my Schreiner T-shirt; I ran across some parents from 12 Houston, and they said that they come up there and spend a 13 week and then visit their child -- their daughter that's at 14 Schreiner. And I thought, well, that's kind of cool, but how 15 would somebody find those connections to hotels, to -- people 16 ask me all the time, "Where's a good place to eat in 17 Kerrville?" What do you tell them? You know, the easy one's 18 Mamacita's, right? 'Cause it's there and it's easy to find 19 and it's big; the food's consistent. But, I mean, there's a 20 million restaurants here. I heard the other day that a new 21 pub just opened by Papa John's. So, I think when you look at 22 our suggestions here, Kerrville needs to kind of work on 23 trying to develop a presence on the internet and sell 24 Kerrville; I mean, show what's in town, show what's available 25 here. 7-28-14 15 1 The event center is a big deal. I mean, we just 2 had a gentleman talk about having gun shows. You know, it's 3 because he's here; he knows about it. There's not really an 4 easy place to go and find the event center, the website, so 5 that's one of our suggestions. The other thing is, like, a 6 calendar of events. Unless you listen to radio nonstop all 7 day, there's not really a good calendar of events here. One 8 of the biggest complaints we hear from students and from 9 parents is that there's nothing to do in Kerrville. Good 10 lord, if you live here, you know there's stuff going on every 11 day. There's -- there's continually stuff, but we don't have 12 one place where you can go to find events. So, one thing 13 that they could do is post the events, and including the 14 event center, and -- and that's a good way to market it. And 15 it's also a good way to let people know the event center's 16 there. 17 Included in that, you look at graphics, 18 illustrations. I mean, we've helped Charlie with some 19 pamphlets; we've helped him with a website to promote 20 Kerrville, and that's one thing that you guys can use us more 21 for. We have a great graphics department. They just came up 22 with a metal signage thing. One of the students said that 23 you might consider taking a -- I think you might have 24 mentioned this a minute ago -- taking the name "youth" out of 25 the Youth Event Center; maybe consider "Hill Country Center" 7-28-14 16 1 or something like that. We've got a few suggestions there. 2 The signage is a good way to find a place. I know when I 3 first moved here, I was trying to find it. It's hard to 4 find. There's not a big, pronounced sign. Our graphics 5 department could help you -- could help you build something 6 that's cheap. Signage is expensive. Mark just suggested 7 that maybe you do something like Tivy, and have some lights 8 or something out there, illuminated signage. So, the signage 9 could be more pronounced so it'd be easier to find, to sell 10 the event center. 11 Inside the facility, the students were noticing 12 that the concession stand is outdated. It could use some 13 staging. The gentleman talking about the gun shows said you 14 can get some tables in there. The sound system they said 15 wasn't very good. The horse arena's dated. The bathrooms 16 are kind of old, and they said there were ceiling tiles 17 missing. So, I think some -- some renovations could be done 18 to make it, you know, look more appealing, maybe dress up the 19 buildings a little bit, so esthetically it would draw more 20 people to want to have different shows there. And also, you 21 know, one way to fill it up and get payback on that is to 22 make it more of a multi-use. Maybe Kevin Fowler would -- he 23 played in the park at Harper; he might be willing to play 24 over here. Then you could load that place up and collect 25 money and help get some payback there. So, instead of just 7-28-14 17 1 saying we're using it for ag for kids, and marketing it that 2 way -- 'cause I think that's the main perception of most 3 people in town, is it's an ag center for children. You could 4 make it more of a multi-use and market it that way, and 5 that's what these students were talking about. 6 One of the things they noticed is that there's not 7 a lot of technology in scheduling and recordkeeping either as 8 far as the event center. And one thing we were talking about 9 is maybe you should use more technology to set up scheduling, 10 maybe help schedule other venues in town, keep your records, 11 your books. You know, update that. That was one of the 12 comments when I went through them. And then their final 13 comments were -- and I just talked about this a bit, is 14 forming a coalition so that, you know, you can offer -- you 15 know, if the folk festival's in town, maybe you have a 16 complementary event in the youth center there, or -- and you 17 -- you list all the restaurants. Or there's a lot of car 18 shows in town. You see at Inn of the Hills, they've got all 19 these old cars. Maybe you work with them and have some of 20 the cars over there; do a multi-event center. But I think if 21 you work together with the Kerrville businesses, and you 22 offer hotels and -- and food, and get some events that kind 23 of mesh together, you could help fill that place up. 24 And so you can read my notes. I don't want to sit 25 here and read this paper to you, but if you have any 7-28-14 18 1 questions -- I think the kids did a good job on this in the 2 review. And -- and if you guys have any questions, I mean -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me add one thing to it. 4 With the eight students, I think they took the notes that 5 Jody had and the Convention Bureau had, and they called every 6 single person that ever used the exhibit hall in the last "X" 7 number of years -- many years. They called every one of 8 them -- each one of them to determine what they needed. And 9 in looking at -- this was still when we were looking at size, 10 and they concluded that the size we had was adequate. But 11 that's history now, so we're not going to talk about that. 12 So -- but they -- they really did a good foundation in their 13 study, and in talking with those people, came up with some of 14 the things that Dr. Ryno was mentioning here about the 15 marketing aspect of it. So, it's about a 30-page 16 presentation that they have that we can get copies for 17 everybody, and -- but I think this was a nutshell of it, but 18 it's an excellent, excellent resource at Schreiner 19 University. 20 DR. RYNO: Well, in fact, you have a list, but it 21 was apparent that nobody was working it, and so somebody 22 needs to do more direct marketing. Some of those businesses 23 have been out of business 10 years that you had on the list. 24 Some didn't know where Kerrville is. Some have never heard 25 of the Youth Event Center. So, it was obvious when the 7-28-14 19 1 students went through that list, just trying to pare it down, 2 that even though you had a list, nobody was working it. So, 3 one of our suggestions here is that you go through and you do 4 some direct marketing. Pedernales has a nice little paper; 5 you know, it's not in this area, but it covers a lot of the 6 hill country. There's local publications and everything that 7 you could put the event center in there -- Youth Event 8 Center, and list the events that are there so people are more 9 aware of it and more aware of its contributions to the 10 community. And then you get some of the local barbecue 11 places to show up and sell barbecue, and then put their names 12 in it, Buzzie's or Dickey's or whoever, and I think you could 13 have a nice synergy there to promote Kerrville as a whole. 14 So -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Excellent. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know anything about this 17 conflict between the community and Schreiner College. I 18 think you've got at least two Schreiner graduates up here 19 right now. 20 DR. RYNO: It just seemed like it was a little 21 tense. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, for the record, and I 23 think it's on the record, Commissioner Oehler didn't want 24 that. He did not want Schreiner -- he didn't want a local 25 organization looking at the marketing or looking at the need 7-28-14 20 1 for the facility, so maybe some of that history stuff is 2 gone. 3 DR. RYNO: I hope so, 'cause we could help you guys 4 with stuff. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Excellent resource. 6 DR. RYNO: If you want signage for anything -- the 7 water plant, come to us; we could help you develop signs, and 8 then the only charge would be for materials, so you'd get 9 free labor, get students to work on it. They'd have a 10 project. They'd like it. One of the radio stations that 11 just came to town -- I won't mention them by name -- they 12 were looking for some help for getting some advertising and 13 maybe some internships. I mean, so we have resources if you 14 guys want to use them. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Excellent. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Buster, design a frisbee golf 17 course? 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Could you design a frisbee 19 golf course? 20 DR. RYNO: I don't know. We have some -- I'd have 21 to check that out. I don't want to definitely say no. 22 But -- but you're in the right age group. Could I, 23 personally? I don't know. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Actually, we own some 25 property down below the youth center and on that end. It's 7-28-14 21 1 now a dog park, but it is -- it is maybe the most beautiful 2 piece of property in Kerr County, and all that goes on there 3 is dogs walking around, and we've always talked about maybe 4 creating a frisbee golf course, and get Schreiner University 5 to -- to challenge Trinity or someone to come up and have a 6 frisbee golf tournament. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe the professors at Schreiner. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Maybe the professors. 9 DR. RYNO: I don't know. I could -- I could throw 10 a mean frisbee when I was younger. But you've got the right 11 age group. I think the kids would be -- 12 DR. WOODHULL: We actually have a frisbee club on 13 campus. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There you go. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: See? 16 DR. WOODHULL: We're also in the N.C.A.A. division 17 for the golf -- national golf champions. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I saw that. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 20 DR. RYNO: And I also think we have a good 21 relationship with employers in town, because we work hard to 22 try to find the kids jobs, and so I think if you check 23 around -- and H.E.B.'s also taking our students. The 24 local -- I teach accounting, so the local C.P.A. firms are 25 always trying to take our students, 'cause we put out pretty 7-28-14 22 1 good-quality students. We've got some brilliant students, so 2 that's why I'm saying they're a good resource for y'all to 3 use. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think we've used them 5 occasionally. 6 DR. RYNO: Yeah, the courthouse has had a few. 7 MS. HARGIS: Yeah, I have several of them. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Auditor's office. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I.T. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I.T.'s used them. Still 11 does today. 12 DR. RYNO: And we have events; we bring in a lot of 13 people. Marjorie showed up, and we had a C.P.A. group talk 14 to our students about opportunities in accounting, and she 15 presented along with other -- other people in Kerrville that 16 have passed the C.P.A. exam. That's been fairly successful. 17 We had one kid there that passed in here, so -- and we bring 18 people to town. There's Schreiner Saturdays where we bring 19 parents in town; they're always looking for stuff to do. You 20 know, so we could promote hotels in town, the food, the 21 entertainment. You know, Criders is down there; they have 22 Fish Fry Friday; they have a rodeo. I mean, if you're from 23 out of town, live in the city, a rodeo's kind of cool, right? 24 There's a dance. I mean, even as far away as Harper, in the 25 park they have dances, events. So, if you could put stuff on 7-28-14 23 1 a website showing that, you know, we got a really good gig 2 here and there's a lot of things to do in town, then I think 3 it will benefit the whole city. And you're not reinventing 4 anything; you're just putting out information. Half the time 5 I come to town, somebody says, "Well, I had a really great 6 time this weekend at the arts and crafts show," or something. 7 I'm like, "I didn't know that was there, so I missed it." I 8 would have gone to the river pickup if I'd have known that 9 was going on. I've done that a few times in Houston. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You were in Ukraine. 11 DR. RYNO: I was. But, I mean, if I was here, I 12 would have gone. But I didn't even know about it till you 13 just mentioned it. But, I mean, if you had an event calendar 14 out there saying, you know, this is what's going on in town, 15 it would be good for the students, 'cause they could get off 16 and do things. And they could also post things they're 17 working on, and the parents coming in town -- we have a ton 18 of parents coming in all the time, too. Not only parents of 19 the students that are there, but students or parents that are 20 looking at prospective educational resources for their kids. 21 So, we're bringing in people all the time. We're kind of out 22 there, so they come in and try to struggle and find a place. 23 So, I think on the Chamber of Commerce website, if you could 24 do something there to advertise -- and the event center would 25 be one thing, but what's going on in town? You know, what 7-28-14 24 1 things could they do when they get here? What if I want 2 Chinese food? Where could I go? If I want Mexican food, 3 where are the hot places? 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Everywhere. 5 DR. RYNO: Yeah. Yeah, there's like a million. 6 But anyhow, you could, I mean, consider this as -- you could 7 charge some user fees to pay for it. You could have a person 8 sitting there in the Chamber of Commerce scheduling and 9 helping keep the website updated and posting the calendar and 10 everything, and maybe charge -- or you could possibly charge 11 some fees from some of the advertisers of some of these 12 things to help pay for that so that the County or the City 13 wouldn't have to get in on it. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thanks. 16 DR. WOODHULL: Can I add something there, Tom? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Yeah, this is Dr. 18 Woodhull. 19 DR. WOODHULL: I'm the chair of the Business 20 Department at Schreiner. I just want to very quickly echo 21 something that Serge was talking about, and that is the need 22 for a sort of a coalition in town. I mean, that's really 23 going to be essential. Just down the street from this new 24 event center that you're planning, Schreiner's about ready to 25 build a humongous event center just blocks away. You know, 7-28-14 25 1 you don't want that to be a competitive nature, you know, for 2 events. My recommendation and Serge's recommendation and the 3 students' recommendation is that this coalition of city, you 4 know, venues be put together where you can attract the very, 5 very large events. You know, the music festivals, for 6 example. You could have multi-venue players there, to where 7 everybody's not competing with each other, but you are 8 actually lifting all boats in town. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: How many square feet will that 10 Schreiner event center be? 11 DR. WOODHULL: Ginormous. (Laughter.) It's huge. 12 Supposed to be done in December, I guess, but it's going to 13 be well utilized. And the issue is, is that a competition 14 for this particular event center, or do you have a coalition 15 that puts together large venues for the city that uses all of 16 these various venues to the good? Just to recount a story, 17 my brother lives up in St. Joseph, Missouri and he hosts the 18 Midwest Guitar Festival. And they have this coalition in St. 19 Joseph where they take all the venus in town, and then they 20 have -- you know, somebody plays over here, somebody's 21 playing over there, and they bring all these guitar players 22 into town. But the "lifting all boats" is all restaurants 23 are utilized, all the lodging facilities are utilized. They 24 -- they have this, you know, electronic signage; they have 25 the web presence, and everybody goes there year after year 7-28-14 26 1 now. You have something like that forming with the folk 2 festival in town here year after year. It's attracting 3 people from Europe, Asia coming on in here. So, you know, 4 coalitions are probably the best way to go, and that's our 5 recommendation to you. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you very much, both of 8 you. And the students -- I know the students wanted to be 9 here, but we had such short notice, we didn't get them here. 10 DR. WOODHULL: We actually -- this summer, we 11 probably had more students stay over the summer in Kerrville 12 than we've ever had before. I'm not sure what's driving 13 that, but they seem to like Kerrville more and more. 14 DR. RYNO: You know, the number of folks -- about 15 three or four weeks ago, they had a ride for wounded warriors 16 here; the Yamaha place was sponsoring it. It would be nice 17 to put that on the website too, and let everybody know. The 18 only reason I found out was I was trying to get past, and 19 there was, like, a million motorcycles; I had to wait. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have you ever seen that many 21 motorcycles in one place? 22 DR. RYNO: No, it's crazy. I hear the people in 23 Hunt all the time complaining about it 'cause they run up and 24 down the highway there, but -- but, I mean, they're here and 25 it's a beautiful place. And, you know, if you can provide 7-28-14 27 1 them with an easy website to see the local events, get them 2 out to some of the fish fries or -- the volunteer fire 3 department fish fries, take some of their money to help 4 support our fire departments, you know, there's a lot of 5 things going on here. If you let people know, and they have 6 one central spot to learn this, it's a lot easier for 7 everybody; you'll get more money out of the deal. Instead of 8 fumbling around eating at McDonald's or something, they could 9 pull together some of the local cultural things. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Who would you recommend to put this 11 central event on? Convention and Visitors Bureau, or the 12 County or the City or who? 13 DR. RYNO: Or a combination. I mean, the Chamber 14 of Commerce seems to be interested. I don't know -- do you 15 have any ideas on that? I don't know what the resources are. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Seems like the center of 17 gravity would be with the Visitors and Convention Bureau, but 18 it certainly doesn't hurt to link the County website, the 19 City website with all these things. 20 DR. RYNO: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. And I think that 22 doesn't exist. 23 DR. RYNO: But I think you also -- to make it 24 successful, you're going to have to assign somebody to it. 25 If it's done willy-nilly, you're going to have -- at least 7-28-14 28 1 three years from now, you're going to say, "Schreiner, can 2 you look at this list again?" And so you got to kind of 3 assign somebody to task and keep up the calendar of events, 4 and call event center and say, "Okay, what are you doing?" 5 Or, "Somebody just called me and said they want to have a gun 6 show. Do you have an open time on July 15th?" Or whatever. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the thing that these 8 guys mentioned, too. That -- and I know that Letz and Reeves 9 talked about this, is when they look at the marketing thing, 10 is needing a marketing person. It may be, you know, that 11 some students or a student could be the -- you know, a really 12 low-cost way to do that. 13 DR. RYNO: That's true. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You know, that could pass it 15 on as that person leaves. So, anyway, that's something to 16 consider. So -- 17 DR. RYNO: You could have a phone number set up on 18 your website, you know, to help schedule events if somebody 19 wants to come to town, have a car show or something. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good. 21 DR. RYNO: For example. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: We have somebody assigned to that; 23 she's seated right over here. But she's got a lot of other 24 duties assigned to her, too. 25 DR. RYNO: That's what I'm saying, somebody 7-28-14 29 1 specifically -- I'm sure she's overwhelmed. Just -- I'd just 2 suggest that once you get the website up, if you do that, 3 then you are going to have to follow up and maintain it, 4 update it, et cetera. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 DR. WOODHULL: Marketing. 7 DR. RYNO: And market -- somebody's got to call the 8 numbers we had, the list. But it was -- not to say it was 9 bad, but there was businesses on that list that were out of 10 business for ten years. 11 DR. WOODHULL: You need a formal marketing plan, 12 basically. 13 DR. RYNO: That was kind of our first proposal 14 there. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's it. Marketing, as 16 opposed to just taking orders. 17 DR. RYNO: Yes, sir. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, guys. 19 DR. RYNO: Okay, thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We appreciate it. 21 DR. RYNO: Thank you. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll go back to the 23 regular agenda. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you for that. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.1. Let's see, are any of the 7-28-14 30 1 timed ones -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Take the timed ones. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: First one. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: First one, 1.1. Consider, discuss, 5 and take appropriate action for the Court's final approval to 6 name a privately maintained road Melanie Witt Lane West in 7 Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs, Precinct 4. 8 Mr. Hastings and Mr. Odom. 9 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Pat Phillips, Cypress 10 Springs Estates Homeowners Association, applied through Kerr 11 911 to name their HOA park road Melanie Witt. It's a 12 privately maintained road by the HOA, and after it gets 13 named, it will continue to be so. It's currently not named 14 at all. All of the 911 guidelines have been followed. At 15 this time, we're asking the Court for their final approval to 16 name this private road Melanie Witt Lane West in the Vistas 17 Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates; it's in Precinct 4. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Who is Melanie Witt? 19 MR. HASTINGS: I don't know. 20 MS. HARGIS: Melanie Witt is Charlie Witt's wife 21 who passed away. And in my subdivision, she was our sales 22 rep, and the subdivision wanted to name a road after her in 23 the subdivision because she was instrumental in actually 24 starting that development, and she passed away with cancer 25 two years ago. 7-28-14 31 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded for 4 approval of naming the street Melanie Witt Lane West in 5 Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs. Is there any further 6 discussion? There being none, those in favor, signify by 7 raising your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. One 10 point -- well, let's go to 1.4, which was a 9:15 one. 11 Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on a Local 12 Option Liquor Petition for Precinct 2, to include the number 13 of signatures required, received, and qualified; list of 14 signatures, in form of copies of original petitions; and 15 action to be taken on said petitions, pursuant to Section 16 501.033, Texas Election Code. Diane Bolin. 17 MS. BOLIN: This just had to be put on the agenda 18 so that it's in the record. The total number of signatures 19 that we received were 1,047. The total number of signatures 20 that were counted that were in that precinct were 835. They 21 needed at least 1,200, so therefore, there's no action to be 22 taken on the petition as far as putting anything on the 23 ballot. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, actually, I think we 25 needed 1,841. 7-28-14 32 1 MS. BOLIN: I thought it was 1,200-something. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, 1,841, so we fell short. 3 And I -- and I'll just add to what Diane is saying. A lot of 4 people pursued getting this on -- on the ballot, and it 5 wasn't for or against, but just getting it on the ballot, 6 since Precinct 2 is the only precinct in the county that -- 7 that is dry, and there's a lot of people that would like to 8 -- and especially some of the businesses would like to have 9 it so that they can sell wine there, in particular. Like 10 Camp Verde Store, for instance. It would bring a lot more 11 revenue to the area. And -- and I think what we -- we'll go 12 at it again in two years. We'll get back. We learned a lot 13 from this one. It's been tried before, but it's just going 14 to take a lot of people going door-to-door. Just -- a lot of 15 people just didn't care. That was the biggest issue. They 16 weren't for or against it; they just didn't care. It didn't 17 affect them, so, you know, they said I'm not going to go to 18 the trouble to do that. And I know that -- that Trevor Hyde 19 at Comanche Trace sent an e-mail to everybody living in 20 Comanche Trace. You can't go door-to-door in Comanche Trace, 21 but he sent an e-mail encouraging people to sign this, and 22 had the petition where they could stop by on their way in and 23 out of Comanche Trace. And I think there was 30 signatures 24 on there. That was a situation where people just didn't care 25 about it. So, it's a campaign. We got to approach it a 7-28-14 33 1 little bit differently next time. So -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No action? 3 MS. BOLIN: No action. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, then we'll go to 1.5; 5 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to approve the 6 optional $10 County Road and Bridge fee for 2015 vehicle 7 registrations, per request from the Texas Department of Motor 8 Vehicles. Diane Bolin. 9 MS. BOLIN: Each year we have to just let them know 10 that we're going to continue with the $10. That's the 11 additional $10 that you get charged for your auto 12 registration. You have the state fee, and then you have the 13 $10 County Road and Bridge fee. It's optional; we can do 14 away with it or we can keep it. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Or charge less. 16 MS. BOLIN: Or charge less. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. It's not -- 18 MS. BOLIN: Some counties do. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: -- not in excess of $10. 20 MS. BOLIN: Correct. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move we continue to charge 22 the $10 fee. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 25 we continue to charge the $10 per-vehicle registration. Any 7-28-14 34 1 further discussion? There being none, those in favor, 2 signify by raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. 5 MS. BOLIN: Thank you. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We can go to 1.8, which 7 is a 9:30 item. Update on Christian Youth Rally scheduled at 8 Flat Rock Lake Park on September the 6th. Mr. Landrum? 9 MR. LANDRUM: Yes, sir. We -- we have a band 10 coming in, but it's not a big band, and we have several local 11 bands and stuff that are going to play. And it will start at 12 2:00 and go to until, like, 8:00, 9 o'clock at night. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: How many people are you 14 anticipating? 15 MR. LANDRUM: That's hard to say. I -- really, 16 it's hard to say, but I'm figuring around 2,500. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a large crowd. 18 MR. LANDRUM: Well, we're -- I've got several 19 people coming in from out of town, Brownsville and Houston, 20 and then San Antonio and stuff for this. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And you have some local 22 pickers? 23 MR. LANDRUM: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good. 25 MR. LANDRUM: We haven't got -- we haven't got all 7-28-14 35 1 that set up. We wanted to make sure we had this set up first 2 before we get all that set up. But you have several -- a lot 3 of the churches have bands and stuff in the churches that 4 will be playing and stuff. It's not just for one church; 5 it's for everybody in town. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. Seems like y'all were 7 planning on bringing Elvis Presley or somebody? 8 MR. LANDRUM: Well, you know, we was trying to get 9 a band like Casting Crowns and stuff, but they have an awards 10 deal in Florida that weekend, and we couldn't book anybody. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, they just got their 12 priorities out of line. 13 MR. LANDRUM: Yeah. But we did get a band that's 14 coming up from Brownsville. It's a smaller band. They have 15 done some concerts and stuff, but they're not a big band. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Christian rock? 17 MR. LANDRUM: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. So we've still got you on 20 the calendar for September the 6th. Is that right, Jody? 21 MS. GRINSTEAD: Yes. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 23 MR. LANDRUM: I had two questions for you. This is 24 going to go from, like, 2:00 on. Is there a problem with 25 setting up a couple of vendors for people down there? 7-28-14 36 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's see, we just had this 2 conversation the other day, and I can't remember what we did. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just the cleanup, right? 4 Deposit? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The cleanup deposit, -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- adequate portable toilets, 8 and adequate security. 9 MR. LANDRUM: Yes, we'll have all that. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was handed a note that says 11 you need to visit with the Sheriff's Department for a mass 12 gathering permit -- not a permit, but just to let him know. 13 And there will be security required, depending on the 14 quantity. 15 MR. LANDRUM: That's not a problem. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: You can do that? 17 MR. LANDRUM: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I don't think it's a 19 problem. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Thank you, sir. 21 MR. LANDRUM: Thank you. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: You can also go -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On that, I mean, he may say 25 yes, he's going to do it, but can we verify that he's -- I 7-28-14 37 1 mean, we need an update as to how many security people he's 2 going to have, what he's going to have, the port-a-potties, 3 what all he's going to do specifically. Not just that he's 4 going to handle it, I think. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It may fall under a mass 6 gathering. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Landrum, don't leave. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think that goes over the 9 threshold for number of people for a mass gathering, so he's 10 going to have to supply that information. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, what I'm concerned 12 about -- I made the comment while you were visiting with 13 Mr. Hastings. I have no problem with it, but we need to see 14 exactly what you're doing and make sure that you'll be in 15 compliance with the requirements of the Sheriff, everything 16 from bathrooms to security, on down the line. So, this is 17 going to be September 6th? 18 MR. LANDRUM: Yes, sir. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I'd say -- 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second meeting in August? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- at our second meeting in 22 August, you need to come back here and state exactly what 23 you're going to provide. 24 MR. LANDRUM: I'll have a whole outline and 25 everything for you of the project. 7-28-14 38 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How many people and -- 2 MR. LANDRUM: I should know pretty much. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a week before. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's going to be a week before 5 the event, and, you know, we'll have to -- 6 MR. LANDRUM: I can get that guideline to you in 7 two weeks, turn it in to your office, if you'd like. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That would be good. 9 MR. LANDRUM: I mean, I can turn that in to you, 10 and -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I would rather you be 12 here before the Court so we can -- 13 MR. LANDRUM: Well, I can be here. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You can come to our first 15 meeting in August. 16 MR. LANDRUM: I can be here, but I can turn that in 17 so you can go over it, if you would like. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 MR. LANDRUM: Where do I pay this deposit at? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jody. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jody. 23 MR. LANDRUM: Okay. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Next door here. 25 MR. LANDRUM: Thank you. 7-28-14 39 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.9; consider, discuss, 2 and take appropriate action regarding a resolution on 3 securing the border between the U.S. and Mexico. Mr. Moser? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. I 5 circulated a draft resolution, and I'm not going to read the 6 whole thing. I think everybody has a copy of it. And 7 basically, what it does is it says this county would like to 8 encourage the federal government and all other elected 9 officials to seal the border, do it with troops as soon as 10 they can, and to seal it permanently within -- within five 11 years. And it's -- and it goes through all the whereases, 12 because this county, like other a lot of other counties in 13 the state and in the nation, have -- are hit with this influx 14 of people without any knowledge, and it's a big impact on 15 the -- on the community. So, this is a resolution to be 16 signed by this Court. That's what I propose. And I took -- 17 I've taken some input from some of the other members of the 18 -- of the county incorporated in this, so, it's an 19 abbreviated version of some of the things that makes it kind 20 of unique to Kerr County. Some of the other cities and 21 counties around the state have some kind of a standard 22 boilerplate that they've used, so I've -- I plagiarized a 23 bit; I took bits and pieces of that, incorporated it in here 24 and made it more custom for Kerr County. So, I can read this 25 into the record if appropriate, or we can -- 7-28-14 40 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question. I don't mean to be 2 nitpicking on it, but the only -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, you do. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, you do. (Laughter.) 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I do. The only paragraph 6 I have a problem with is when you're talking about yourself. 7 I mean, I've talked to Congressman Smith; I've talked to 8 Lamar -- Senator Cruz' staff, and other members have. You 9 know, to me, that shouldn't -- we should take that one 10 word -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'll take that one thing out, 12 the whereas that was -- just the reference to the fact that 13 furnishing the opportunity -- two opportunities to -- to 14 please encourage them. They said yeah, they agree, but 15 there's just not the will of the administration to do it. 16 So, we'll take that out. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Other than that, it looks fine. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. So, we're talking -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, I recommend we adopt this 21 resolution as presented, with the one deletion of where I 22 requested that Senator Cruz and Senator -- and Congressman 23 Lamar Smith -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Number eight "whereas." 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 7-28-14 41 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Actually, third paragraph from the 2 bottom on the first page. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, okay. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. All right. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got some questions. Do 6 you want to go ahead and make your motion? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll make a motion. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, second. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: On the sixth "whereas" -- 11 this is kind of nitpicking, but if I'm going to vote for it, 12 I want to have it right. The second sentence, I guess, "But 13 these requirements are not being equally applied to illegal 14 alien minors being admitted to the country, nor do the 15 facilities that are currently housing these children have the 16 ability to quarantine..." Do we know all that? Is that -- 17 is that a true statement? How do we know what's going on? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's in the -- it's in the 19 public record. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That we don't -- that these 21 places don't have the ability to quarantine or identify 22 infectious diseases? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think we know that 24 from some of the facilities that have been in here. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We've heard that, yeah. 7-28-14 42 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then the next one, 3 "Federal government is failing to protect the borders in 4 accordance with Article 1, Section 8 of the United States 5 Constitution." Is that -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That is true. I read the 7 Constitution to make sure of that. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did you? Okay, good. 9 You're answering my question there. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Then the last one on that 12 page, that the federal government is operating with ulterior 13 motives. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have a hard time 16 swallowing that. It's probably true, but I don't know that. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That is simply to say, you 18 know, bring these children here and they get to stay. That's 19 the ulterior motive. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's my question. Was that a 21 quote? Was that taken from a statement from Governor Perry? 22 'Cause what the implication to me was -- I don't mind the 23 wording, but the implication is that he said that, and he 24 also said the next quote. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He did say that on national 7-28-14 43 1 news. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just wanted to make sure we 3 were quoting him accurately. Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The first "whereas" on the 5 next page, "Texas is a free and independent state, subject 6 only to the Constitution of the United States, and the 7 maintenance of our free institution and the perpetuity of the 8 union depend upon preservation of the right of local 9 self-government, unimpaired to all the states." What does 10 that mean exactly? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think that just is the 12 second -- the Tenth Amendment, if I'm not mistaken. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The state's rights? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Right. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And within the five years, I 16 like that. See, that's the one thing I really like out of 17 this entire thing, is that you -- you're building a boundary 18 for somebody to do something. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But I disagree with some of 21 that other stuff, but I'll vote for it. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: With the one paragraph deleted? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, absolutely. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. The motion is on the 7-28-14 44 1 floor, seconded, and there's been discussion. Any further 2 discussion? Those in favor of it, signify by raising your 3 right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It is four-zero, unanimous. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good. Thank you. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Implicit with this is 8 the -- we're all going to sign it? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Sign the resolution, right? All 11 right. Now, I think I had a request from the public here, 12 for a Vickie Isom. 13 MS. ISOM: That's me. But you just discussed it, 14 so you addressed it. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Too late, Vickie. 16 MS. ISOM: I'm happy. I'm real happy. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: You don't have anything to say? 18 MS. ISOM: Nothing else to say. I really -- I'm, 19 you know, very concerned how this could affect our community 20 as far as financially, the burden that -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Who are you? 22 MS. ISOM: I'm Vickie Isom. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am. What do you do? 24 MS. ISOM: Well, I sit on the K.I.S.D. school 25 board, so I'm very concerned how this -- 7-28-14 45 1 JUDGE POLLARD: K.I.S.D. 2 MS. ISOM: -- how this affects our school district, 3 yes, and the rest of the children that, you know, attend 4 school. And how, you know, if we are forced to take these 5 children into our school without them having the proper -- 6 proper immunizations, and health-wise meeting the standards 7 of what America wants for our children, I'm concerned -- I'm 8 very concerned about how that affects our school system. Not 9 only -- not only health-wise, but financially as well. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, financially, plus 11 maybe the hiring of language-type people. 12 MS. ISOM: Oh, it -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: To sit in the classroom. A 14 lot of them. 15 MS. ISOM: Right. And I have spoken with 16 Dr. Troxel about it, and, you know, what we would have to do. 17 Because, you know, the -- the funding's going to have to come 18 out of our pocket to make sure that the needs are met. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is the school board 20 considering adopting such a resolution? 21 MS. ISOM: We haven't even discussed it. We have 22 our meeting tonight. So, I don't know if it's something 23 that's, you know, going to be brought up. Because, 24 obviously, we didn't know about a lot of this stuff till just 25 a few weeks ago. 7-28-14 46 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I visited with some school 2 board people around -- not y'all, but around, and their 3 attitude is the more students you get in, the more -- what is 4 it, A.D.A.? The state money that comes over per student. 5 So, if you -- if you have more students, you're going to get 6 more money from the state. Which is a ridiculous way to look 7 at it. 8 MS. ISOM: Not necessarily. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, not necessarily. 10 MS. ISOM: Because, you know, our funds were cut 11 quite a bit, and so, you know, there -- it relies upon us. 12 How are we going to make sure those needs are met 13 financially? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. And "us" is us. 15 MS. ISOM: Us, taxpayers. Taxpayers, right. So, 16 no, we -- we've had our funds cut quite a bit, actually, over 17 the last couple years. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: For what reason? Do you know? 19 MS. ISOM: Just federal and statewide, yes. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Just shortage of money? 21 MS. ISOM: Shortage of money. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Not loss of students or anything 23 like that? 24 MS. ISOM: No. No. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Other causes. 7-28-14 47 1 MS. ISOM: So, anyway, I was real happy to see that 2 this was ordered this morning, so I thank you for addressing 3 it. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'll get you a copy; you can 5 take it to the board. 6 MS. ISOM: I have one. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good deal. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Take that paragraph out. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, take that one paragraph 10 out. 11 MS. ISOM: Yes, I will do that. Thank you so much. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Could you get back on the 16 regular agenda now? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For a few minutes. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Going to have to have a short break 20 for -- no? Nobody need it? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not till 10:30. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Back to the regular agenda items; 25 1.2, consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to fill 7-28-14 48 1 budgeted positions due to recent resignations at the Juvenile 2 Detention Facility. Mr. Davis? 3 MR. DAVIS: Good morning, Your Honor, 4 Commissioners. We recently have had two employees leave, one 5 part-time, one full-time. I would ask permission of this 6 Court to move one of our part-timers to a full-time position, 7 which would give us two vacant part-time positions. These 8 are budgeted positions, and I would ask permission to fill 9 those open positions. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Is the full-time position vacant 11 too, and budgeted? 12 MR. DAVIS: It is, Your Honor. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: So there's no more money involved 14 in this? 15 MR. DAVIS: Correct. That's correct. I would ask 16 on the -- we have a lady that's part-time; we're going to 17 move her to a full-time, and if possible, I'd like to make it 18 retroactive back to Saturday. That's when the pay period 19 started, if that's okay with the Court's permission. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I move for approval. 21 MR. DAVIS: Thank you. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second the emotion. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: One question; this is to 25 Mrs. Lantz. Is that permitted, to do it retroactive? 7-28-14 49 1 MS. LANTZ: Yes. She is a part-timer, and she was 2 working that day. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So it could be retroactive? 4 MS. LANTZ: Yes. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I guess it wouldn't make any 6 difference if she was a part-timer, except for it would go to 7 full-time pay instead of part-time pay. Okay. All right. 8 Those in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 9 hand. 10 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 11 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. 12 MR. DAVIS: Thank you. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll go to 1.3; 14 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to set a 15 public hearing for August 11, 2014, at 9:30 a.m. for the 16 District Clerk's Written Archival Plan in accordance with 17 Section 51.305 -- of what code? 18 MS. BURLEW: The Government Code. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Mrs. Burlew. Thank you. 20 MS. BURLEW: Thank you. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Proceed. 22 MS. BURLEW: Oh. This is a yearly thing that we 23 have to get approved as far as the archival of records, and 24 we still have records that we're trying to get archived as 25 far as preservation and stuff. So, I'm just asking for the 7-28-14 50 1 Court to set this hearing so we can go forth with collecting 2 the $10 for the records preservation. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is it required that this 4 Commissioners Court adopt or approve the plan? 5 MS. BURLEW: Yes, sir, it has to be approved before 6 the budget. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I think maybe the $10 is what's got 8 to be approved. 9 MS. BURLEW: Yeah, the $10 as far as the -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so when you have your 11 public hearing, the next item on the agenda should be to get 12 the Court to approve it. 13 MS. BURLEW: Yes, sir. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. I just wanted to 15 remind you of that. 16 MS. BURLEW: No action at this time, other than the 17 requirement for the hearing. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we set a public 19 hearing for August 11 at 9:30 a.m. for the District Clerk's 20 Written Archival Plan. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 23 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 24 hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 7-28-14 51 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It's unanimous, four-zero. 1.6? 2 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Presentation of the G.F.O.A., 4 Government Finance Officers Association, distinguished budget 5 award. 6 MS. HARGIS: This is our second year to receive the 7 award. And last year when we received it, I didn't really go 8 into detail about how much time and effort and years it's 9 taken us to get to this point, but I showed some of you. It 10 was interesting, because I think -- I hadn't looked at it in 11 a while, but when I came here in 2007, the year before, the 12 budget book looked like this, which is a dot matrix printer, 13 no tabs, no pictures, no nothing. No information about the 14 county, nothing. We have moved -- and I was only here two 15 months; at least we changed it a little bit and got some data 16 that you can read, but having a vision of getting it to the 17 book that I had done in prior entities, which is the color 18 copy that we have now with tabs and tons of information. 19 I have two people that helped me reach that version 20 -- vision, and I want to recognize them this morning, as we 21 received the second award, and -- and that's Tracy Soldan and 22 Jennifer Doss, if they'd both come forward. They're actually 23 responsible for getting this award. And we're excited get 24 it. It is a lot of work. It's taken us a lot of time to get 25 it. But the award this year says, "Distinguished Budget 7-28-14 52 1 Presentation Award to Kerr County." And you can see we just 2 have a little "2013," and they've left us where we can add 3 the additional years. The County had never received this 4 until last year, so I talked with Tracy when she came to work 5 for me, and she began the research and did a lot of research 6 that goes into this. If you look in this book, it will give 7 you a lot of data about population, about what the salaries 8 are, who our top paying taxpayers are, and how this county 9 started. So, this is a really good reference book. It helps 10 us to get our bonds and a lot of things, so there's a lot of 11 work in this. But these two ladies are responsible, and I'm 12 very proud of both of them. And I'm proud to receive the 13 award. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Congratulations. 15 (Applause.) 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why don't you turn around 17 and get a photograph? 18 (Discussion off the record.) 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Front page of the paper. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You never know. I'd like an 21 8-by-10 glossy of that. 22 MS. HARGIS: Thank you. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the other thing it's 24 important to remember is that, yes, it looks like it's got 25 data, but what we're doing is providing the public 7-28-14 53 1 information about what we're doing, and that's the most 2 important part about it; that we're being open, and we're 3 recognized statewide for, you know, having a very open format 4 for our budget process. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a great resource of 6 information. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 1.7; consider, discuss, 8 and take appropriate action regarding South Texas Blood and 9 Tissue doing a blood drive August 13, 2014, in the county 10 courthouse parking lot from 11 a.m. to 5:30 p.m. 11 MS. LANTZ: This is something that they approach us 12 every year on to see if they can use the front parking lot in 13 order to do their blood drive, so I'm just bringing it to the 14 Court for approval for that day. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So moved. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 18 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 19 hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. We'll 22 go to 1.10; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 23 regarding Kerr County contributing to the operations of the 24 Butt-Holdsworth Library. Commissioner Moser. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. And I think 7-28-14 54 1 this is going to be more on the budget workshop this 2 afternoon. I think the opportunity will there be to discuss 3 this in detail. So let me -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Defer to that time? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, right. Precisely. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: While it's on the agenda, you 8 know, I don't know if anyone -- everyone's going to be there, 9 but I think the -- and I'm not sure what Commissioner Moser's 10 idea was here, but I think it needs to be clear, 'cause I 11 also have ideas on how this should be handled. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Why don't we discuss it now? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, I'll be happy to. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The reason I said till then is 16 'cause I -- I prepared some information for background on the 17 thing. Let me just read it to you, okay? And we'll take it 18 up right now. And what I'm proposing here as part of the 19 budget is we have $65,000 that the County contributes to the 20 Butt-Holdsworth Memorial Library for operations. And I make 21 this recommendation based on the following. This would fund 22 1,000 library cardholders for full library privileges, or 23 approximately 1,900 hundred privileges other than computer 24 utilization. It would give the county residents that are 25 cardholders -- excuse me, let me say it a little different. 7-28-14 55 1 The county residents that are cardholders have decreased from 2 47 percent to 6 percent in early 2013 to the present time, or 3 from 3,800 people to a little over 450 participants. There's 4 been a dramatic drop since the County quit funding the 5 library. There are many county residents that would use the 6 library, but cannot afford to do so. The limited access 7 would help determine the need by county residents for library 8 services, if we -- if we set a goal of saying let's allow 9 1,000 and see how many people really utilize it. But we were 10 at 3,800. 11 The library cards would be on a first-come, 12 first-served basis. This contribution is not consistent with 13 the County's past commitment, but should demonstrate an 14 intent to once again become a partner with the City in the 15 library, and perhaps enable a large number of county 16 residents full access to the library. And for 2016, what I 17 would propose is, based on the fact that there are shared 18 services between the City and the County, -- for example, 19 animal services, environmental health, airport, library -- 20 determine what the fair value is, or the fair share for these 21 services between the City and the County. I don't think we 22 have time to do that now. It's rather complicated, since a 23 lot of people that live in the county live in the city and 24 are paying both of those taxes, and we need to see how to 25 fairly distribute that. So, that's what -- that's what I'm 7-28-14 56 1 proposing, is that we put that amount of money in the library 2 budget. And the -- a little bit more background on that -- 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tom, did you say 65,000? Is 4 that -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 65,000. The -- the proposed 6 2015 operating budget for the library is 700,000, where up 7 until 2013, the County was paying 50 percent of the operating 8 budget. And that was based on the agreement in -- December 9 the 13th, 1965, where the County and the City would agree, 10 based on Court Order 10137, that the County would pay 50 11 percent of the operating budget. And we've not done that. 12 We've -- we've refused to do it. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would point out on that 14 point, the City agreed for us not to do that. We didn't 15 unilaterally refuse. It was part of a deal signed and agreed 16 to by City Council and this Court -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- to modify the funding 19 arrangement. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I agree. That is -- 21 that's the reason I say let's look at those shared services 22 and see what an equitable basis is. But in the meantime, 23 what I'm proposing is that we do something as a small step in 24 the direction to get back into supporting the library. And 25 of the 560 libraries in the state of Texas, county 7-28-14 57 1 governments contribute 25 percent of the revenue for the 2 library operations. Right now we have to -- out-of-city 3 residents have to pay $65 for full use of the library. And I 4 guess the bottom line is, the library is a major asset for 5 the entire county. It's a current state-of-the-art 6 information center. It's one of the reasons people choose to 7 live in Kerr County, and it's very important to the education 8 of the youth, especially those that cannot afford computers 9 or books. I have some additional background which I'll 10 present at the -- at the budget workshop on what the City 11 pays for -- for library and what the County pays for animal 12 control, and what percentage we both use all those services. 13 So -- but that's a detail I propose we look at in 2016. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a different way of 15 looking at it. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I'll go ahead and hand 18 out -- to me, it's very -- it's a simpler process. We need 19 to go back to our original -- our agreement with the City 20 that -- you know, that originally had us doing the airport, 21 and they did the library, and we did animal services and all 22 this. And the City came to us and canceled all those 23 contracts. We did not relook at the animal services contract 24 at that time. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 7-28-14 58 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me -- up to that point, the 2 City paid their proportionate cost of animal services, animal 3 control. To me, it's very simple. You know, continue as we 4 are with the County funding 100 percent of Environmental 5 Services Department county-wide. The City funds 100 percent 6 of the library for all residents within Kerr County, and all 7 county residents get free access to all library services. 8 Option 2 would be City and County jointly fund animal -- Kerr 9 County Environmental Services Department based on 10 proportionate use, and County funds 200,000 annually to the 11 library. All county residents get free access to all library 12 services. It's a -- this is basically where we were before 13 everything was canceled, and the year -- I think it was 2010, 14 or '9 when this was done. And, you know, to me, these are 15 the fair ways to do it. The City has not paid anything for 16 animal control for a number of years, and they went ahead and 17 unilaterally charged the county residents for the library, 18 which I thought it was unjust when they did it. And if they 19 are not willing to do this, then I will vote for the second 20 option, which starts charging them their proportionate cost 21 of that department. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let me comment on that. 23 Here's some facts, okay? Animal Control, in the 2015 budget 24 request, is 705,000, okay? It's about 50/50 service between 25 city and county. Environmental Health, the County paid -- 7-28-14 59 1 the budget request is 280,000, and it's about 70/30 between 2 the county and the city, so most of that's going to the 3 county. And the library is 700,000, is what the proposed 4 budget is, and about 6 percent of the cardholders are from 5 the county, and 94 percent for the city, but about 35 percent 6 of the things that are checked out are people outside the 7 city. So, I think what you have here is -- is a move -- I 8 think we're both moving in the same direction. Let's make 9 sure it's equitable. And that's all I'm proposing, is let's 10 do something now, okay, to get some of the -- in 2015, to see 11 how many people outside the city do, in fact, want to utilize 12 that library. Like, maybe it isn't as great as it was 13 before. And then take the time to analyze these -- both of 14 these services, or all these services, and see what the 15 distribution is fairly. So, I'd like to look at your 16 Option 1 and Option 2. And -- and I'm not -- you know, it 17 may be good. I just don't know if that's the right answer. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that if -- from long 19 experience, whenever we go in and try to figure out -- break 20 things out proportionately, you have to look at how we -- how 21 we do our accounting and how they do their accounting, and 22 it's always ended up in nothing but a disagreement. I think 23 it's easier to keep it simple. I would propose Option 1. 24 Let the County continue to do environmental services. Let 25 the City continue to do the library, and with the condition 7-28-14 60 1 that the county residents get free access to the library. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask a question right 3 quick. In that Option 1, the County funds 100 percent of the 4 Environmental Health Department. Does that include animal -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. So, that includes 7 animal. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, it's a -- is it exactly 9 fair? No. We're still funding more than the City is, but 10 it's a simple way to do it, to me. That's fair. And it 11 allows the City to operate the library the way they want, and 12 we operate environmental services the way we want. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the agreement we made 14 several years ago. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's the -- but the charging 16 the county residents is what's different, and the City needs 17 to agree to not charge county residents. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let's see. If I look at 19 that, that combined animal control and environmental health, 20 that would be about almost a million dollars. Library is 21 about 700,000. The -- the thing is, I think what you have to 22 do, though -- and I don't think the accounting -- I don't 23 know; maybe Jeannie can argue with this. I think we have 24 clearly what the budget is for each one of these things 25 broken out for each one of these services; library, animal 7-28-14 61 1 control, environmental health. So, I don't see that it's 2 that complicated to understand what a fair distribution would 3 be. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 'Cause I don't think it's 6 going to fly, what you're proposing. It hasn't worked so 7 far. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you think the City would 9 rather pay us more money than -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think it's equitable. I 11 think the thing to do is to determine what's equitable. Both 12 -- it's not for City and County; it's for taxpayers, period. 13 That's what it's all about. What's fair for the taxpayers? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Option 1 is very fair to the 15 taxpayers. And in my mind, very fair to the City. I don't 16 see how it couldn't be, 'cause Option 2 -- any -- what you're 17 proposing is going to cost the City additional funding. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I don't know that. You 19 concluded that. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know that animal control is 21 494,000. Or for -- based on the numbers that Ray's put 22 together, that that department -- that 490,000. Half of 700 23 is 350. That means the City's going to net us about 125,000 24 a year. Which is fine with me, if that's what the City 25 wants. You know, if that's their choice. But to me, I'm 7-28-14 62 1 trying to, you know, come up with an easier proposal. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Let's carry this on 4 to our meeting this afternoon. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I think that's the place 7 to do it. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, no action at this time. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a good thing to have on 10 the record. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, it's a good 12 conversation. You guys still like each other and everything? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, yeah. Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're meeting tomorrow morning 15 again. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm not positive. (Laughter.) 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're a mediator; you're 18 supposed to not understand. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I see some additional 20 people coming in here, probably for some timed thing? Are 21 they? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 10 o'clock. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They're probably wanting to 24 buy some water from the rainwater collection. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. So, we'll skip over to 7-28-14 63 1 1.13; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 2 regarding the K.E.D.C. strategic plan and operations. 3 Commissioner Moser and Jonas Titas. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's been, on the Court, a 5 lot of discussion about K.E.D.C. and what the roles and the 6 mission and so forth is, and I thought it would be good to 7 have Jonas come in and present the strategic plan for 8 K.E.D.C. And -- and I think it also helps put in light some 9 of the things about the issue with the proposed shopping 10 center out at the interstate, at Sidney Baker and Interstate 11 10, relative to the strategic plan, and why the K.E.D.C. 12 Board didn't approve that. But that did not preclude that 13 developer from coming to the City and the County and making 14 their own case. It just happened to be that that's what this 15 board looked at. And I'll say one other thing before Jonas. 16 I think he'll show you who the members of the board are, but 17 having been on the board now for a short time, I want to say 18 it's a very impressive, professional board in the way that 19 that is conducted and the open-mindedness by everyone there. 20 So, I think it's very effective for the whole county. So, 21 Jonas? 22 MR. TITAS: Yes, sir. Good morning, everyone. 23 This is a follow-up to our meeting two weeks ago. Our board, 24 just to reiterate, is a nine-member board. It's comprised of 25 our four key stakeholders; there's City, County, E.I.C., and 7-28-14 64 1 the Public Utility Board. We also have seats for the C.V.B., 2 Chamber, and Independent School District, and we have two 3 members appointed from the local business community, so it's 4 a nine-member board. And as Commissioner Moser said, we only 5 have the authority to make recommendations to our 6 stakeholders; we are not the ultimate up or down vote. And 7 then in that one particular instance, we were asked to make a 8 recommendation on a proposal, and that is -- that is what we 9 did, on one of three scenarios that were presented. One went 10 directly to Council. Two came through K.E.D.C. 11 But to just reiterate our strategic plan, it's four 12 priorities. Number one is to accelerate growth through 13 target markets and incentives, and this past year we embarked 14 upon reevaluating our target markets, and they include 15 airport/aviation, energy, small light manufacturing, 16 hotel/convention center, and craft ag. Now, this is not an 17 exclusive list. These are the ones -- these are merely the 18 markets that we have identified to proactively engage and use 19 what resources our stakeholders have given us to go out and 20 make outreach and -- and devote our resources to. But it 21 being not exclusive, we will definitely facilitate and work 22 with any and all enterprises or companies that want to either 23 remain in Kerr County or want to do business here. Our 24 capital is jobs and economic activities, so we would 25 definitely want to facilitate and encourage and promote and 7-28-14 65 1 work with anybody that wants to invest in Kerr County or 2 employ citizens of Kerr County. 3 Number two is to adopt incentive policy guidelines 4 that are competitive with other regions while protecting tax 5 base for our citizens. We've spent a lot of time in my two 6 years on staff looking at our tools and evaluating them, and 7 rewriting several of them. We worked with you all, and we 8 have a draft of a 381 policy that we'll be visiting with you 9 very -- in the near future. We also have a 380 policy with 10 the City, and that includes freeport tax abatements, and with 11 the County also, the craft agriculture program. We also 12 worked with the City on E.I.C. for new board incentives 13 guidelines last year. Third is enact coordinated economic 14 development marketing campaign that increases awareness of 15 the community to the outside world. 16 Number one on this is we want to constantly work on 17 improving our communications with our stakeholders. And I 18 think you've had some difficulties with that in the past, and 19 we have a member of the County on our board, and we will 20 definitely -- we're open to any and all suggestions or 21 dialogue of how we can improve and constantly make that 22 better. We work with regional media outlets to promote 23 activities and opportunities in Kerr County. We work very 24 closely with C.V.B., being a member of our board, in a lot of 25 our outreach and marketing. And also, we also have original 7-28-14 66 1 resource data that we produce in-house, which we think is -- 2 and we know is very valuable for the business community, and 3 this includes our real estate database which we constantly 4 update, which shows developable sites and properties and 5 buildings within Kerr County. 6 This past year, we did a robust laborshed analysis. 7 Annually, we update the city and county demographics, work 8 with the Chamber on a retention and expansion survey, and we 9 also quarterly update our regional economic trends. Our 10 priority is to implement strategies in such a way that 11 maintain flexibility and accountability. We adopted a new 12 mission statement in February of this year which is to retain 13 existing jobs and create new job opportunities in Kerrville 14 and Kerr County, and that boils us down to exactly who we are 15 and what we do. Our capital is jobs; we want to create jobs, 16 and that's the one thing -- we want to create and retain 17 jobs, so that is the one thing that we strive for as an 18 organization. And we also have adopted a work program which 19 sets quantifiable goals that we can -- that we furnish to you 20 all annually. And we also have measurable benchmarks so that 21 we can show exactly what we're doing on a day-to-day basis to 22 promote business activities in Kerr County. 23 And then in closing, we have two very exciting, 24 active prospects that could create up to 200 jobs, 100 a 25 piece. One of them is extremely confidential at this point, 7-28-14 67 1 and we're going to be working with them over the -- over the 2 coming weeks. And we think that these could be very great 3 opportunities for Kerr County and all the residents of this 4 area. So, with that, any questions that you might have. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You might mention as part of 6 the strategic plan, what's the definition of primary 7 business? 8 MR. TITAS: We have defined primary -- primary 9 service or industry as any economic parcel that -- that sells 10 51 percent of their products or services outside of Kerr 11 County, and therefore brings new money into our economy, and 12 it grows the -- it grows the economic pot. So, it brings new 13 money in rather than moving money around within our economy. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And then the secondary things 15 are those businesses and things that support that, and 16 tertiary then are the services. 17 MR. TITAS: Exactly. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Restaurants. 19 MR. TITAS: Yes. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And retail, places of that 21 sort. So -- 22 MR. TITAS: Yes. Our strategy is to focus on the 23 primary, and that creates an independent economic sphere in 24 Kerr County, and then as they become viable and healthy, and 25 sell products outside of our region, then they'll form 7-28-14 68 1 relationships with suppliers to those economic operations, 2 and therefore you'll have two economic spheres successfully 3 operating in Kerr County, which creates disposable income for 4 people that want to go to a movie, go out to eat dinner, buy 5 clothes, and that supports a growing retail service. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And so it was with that 7 criteria, and the primary focus is when the shopping center 8 was proposed, it was a secondary/tertiary business to do it, 9 and so with limited resources and -- and tax abatements and 10 so forth, it was the board's consideration -- 11 MR. TITAS: Our consideration was that we would 12 definitely work all that we could to support them, but they 13 were very specific on exactly what level of -- of support 14 they were expecting. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jonas, how do you determine -- 17 for example, based on what Commissioner Moser just said, a 18 retail center is not primary. Is Home Depot primary? 19 MR. TITAS: By definition, no. It is -- it is 20 defined by statute, and they -- they identify exactly what 21 NAICS codes qualify as primary industries. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's statutory? 23 MR. TITAS: Yes. Or the City or County Attorney 24 can make a find -- a legal finding and declare an operation 25 as primary. 7-28-14 69 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess my -- my problem goes 2 to the -- to that statutory definition. Maybe we need to 3 talk to our County Attorney about it, because to me, 4 Kerrville is a regional shopping area. People in Comfort 5 have a choice to go to Kerrville or to Boerne -- 6 MR. TITAS: Sure. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- to H.E.B. If the H.E.B.'s 8 better in Boerne, they're going to go to Boerne. 9 MR. TITAS: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's restaurants that they 11 could eat at or some other service they can do there, so 12 shopping, to me, is almost -- you know, to me, it's not like 13 shopping in Houston. Not like -- I mean, it's very 14 different, because we draw people in from Leakey, Utopia, 15 Fredericksburg, Junction, Bandera. And, you know, how can 16 you say that that's just recycling local money? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, here's -- I think one 18 other point that you made before at K.E.D.C. was a retail 19 outlet. If -- and correct me if I'm -- if I make this 20 statement wrong. If a retail outlet has the drawing capacity 21 to bring people from 200 miles away, I think is what 22 you're -- 23 MR. TITAS: Yeah. We're looking -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If it were a Target, okay, or 25 something like that, as opposed to a shop that sells cowboy 7-28-14 70 1 hats. All right? You're just not going to -- you know, 2 you're not going to take the tax incentive for a small retail 3 place that's not a primary, whereas you can take something 4 like a Target where people will travel a long distance to 5 come to it. And I think that's what Jonas -- 6 MR. TITAS: We put on our agenda to discuss the 7 concept of destination retail and exactly those types of 8 industries. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it goes beyond -- I 10 just have a hard time saying it's not -- you know, people 11 here in Kerrville go to Fredericksburg to eat dinner, you 12 know. People from Comfort go to Fredericksburg. I was -- I 13 think there could be -- some more higher-quality restaurants 14 in Kerrville would draw people to Kerrville, you know. And I 15 don't -- I don't go out a whole lot, but I don't -- I think 16 Fredericksburg has a lot more upper end dining opportunities 17 than Kerrville does. And I think -- but, you know, why 18 couldn't we do something to encourage that? 19 MR. TITAS: And we're not against -- we're not 20 against encouraging that by any means possible. We want to 21 definitely support, facilitate, and do all that we can. This 22 -- this particular scenario I think we were discussing is 23 that we were approached with a -- with one expectation of 24 contribution that, looking at our numbers that we worked 25 at -- worked with, did not justify a recommendation, based on 7-28-14 71 1 that one specific scenario. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not worried about that. 3 I'm talking about more the general -- 4 MR. TITAS: Moving forward, yes, we're definitely 5 open to support and consideration and dialogue, doing all 6 that we can. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Jonas, you talk about your 8 benchmarks and your goals. 9 MR. TITAS: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Is it "X" number of new 11 jobs -- 12 MR. TITAS: Yes, sir. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- per business? Or is it 14 "X" number of high-paying jobs? Or what are you -- 15 MR. TITAS: We break it down to retention and 16 expansion, new business development, and what we call 17 targeted marketing, which would be like when Fox Tank came 18 here. So, we -- we put criteria -- or we put goals of number 19 of response packets, engagements, site visits, actual 20 establishment of new companies, or projects with existing 21 companies, numbers of jobs created. So, we -- we -- I don't 22 think you've seen it yet, being a new commissioner, but I'll 23 definitely send you that document. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And is there a goal -- in the 25 private sector, a dollar invested will return you so many 7-28-14 72 1 times. Do y'all have some type of goal like that? 2 MR. TITAS: No, we do not. We try and -- we try 3 and keep it as comprehensive and simple at the same time, I 4 guess would be the best way to answer that, is based on 5 number of jobs created and number of projects worked on. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But there's no economic 7 multiplier that you look at? 8 MR. TITAS: We do it on a case-by-case basis. When 9 we are working with a prospect, we will engage a third party 10 to do, more often than not, an independent analysis. And 11 we've done that for several projects this year, and we budget 12 for that, and so that helps us make our determinations when 13 we want to make a recommendation to any of our stakeholders. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are we going to talk about this 16 today, the 381? I actually -- I thought we got this in the 17 e-mail. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, I think we've still got to 19 talk with the County Attorney about that. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If I -- well, I guess we can 21 talk about it. Just a general comment on this; I thought we 22 were going to discuss it. I think it is on the agenda item 23 as well. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think -- 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can this be simpler? I mean, 7-28-14 73 1 just from looking at it, to me, it's a lot of verbiage that 2 doesn't say much. I think this can be condensed into one or 3 two pages, and I think -- I mean, it talks about -- I mean, 4 we go through a list of things, as an example, and then it 5 goes in -- we have, you know, program requirements, A, B, C, 6 and then C says whatever we want. Well, why have A and B, 7 then? I mean, you may put some general rules. It's every 8 time, under every section, it sets criteria, and then it 9 says, "or whatever Commissioners Court wants to do." Well -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think on that, Jonathan, 11 what we're going to do is we had that draft, and you and I -- 12 MR. TITAS: Everybody comments on it. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- and the County Attorney, we 14 haven't come back from the County and said what you're 15 saying. And I'm not -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is a general -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I just haven't looked at it 18 since the County Attorney -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a general comment for 20 Jonas. I think it could be simplified. 21 MR. TITAS: I think it was parallel with the -- it 22 was with the city program to kind of make it easier to 23 understand, and also provide the Commissioners leeway and 24 flexibility to -- to make determinations as you all see fit. 25 MS. STEBBINS: And it was pared down from a 22-page 7-28-14 74 1 document, so -- 2 MR. TITAS: And that was my fault. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 4 MR. TITAS: With that, any questions? 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 6 MR. TITAS: Thank you. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Jonas. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. We got another timed item. 9 It's past 10:15. We'll go to 1.15, update regarding Kerr 10 County War Memorial. Maggie? 11 MS. BAKER: Good morning. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good morning. 13 MS. BAKER: What we really want to do -- Gary 14 Noller, Jack Stevens, and myself -- was just go ahead and 15 give you an update on the possibility of moving the war 16 memorial. And so we contacted several companies in Kerrville 17 and the hill country, and Gary had contacted the project 18 manager of J.M. Lowe, and he informed him that he would visit 19 the memorial and come up with some questions for to us 20 answer. And he did get back with Mr. Noller and let him know 21 that he is a veteran himself. He has talked with other 22 veterans, and they really don't think that they would move 23 the monument, because of maybe -- 24 JUDGE POLLARD: They don't think what? 25 MS. BAKER: That they would want to move the 7-28-14 75 1 monument, because of the possibility of it chipping or 2 breaking or something like that. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Who was talking about moving it? 4 MS. BAKER: Either that or turning it. It's the 5 same. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Same, okay. 7 MS. BAKER: Yes. He also visited Huser 8 Construction, and they referred him to the General Manager, 9 Mr. Jim Maxwell, and he wanted to see the drawings of the 10 foundation and what is below the monument before he could 11 make a decision. And then Mr. Noller said that he's found 12 out that the contractors will not work without an engineering 13 plan, and the engineers do not do contracting work. He said 14 Mr. Maxwell may develop a method to move the memorial or turn 15 it, but a contractor would need to do the actual work. And 16 then I contacted a few companies; Mr. Lewis of Peter Lewis 17 Architect and Associates. He said he would be more than 18 happy to come by in the next couple days and give a call back 19 as to his opinion and the approximate cost. He said there 20 also could be the possibility of damaging, whether moving or 21 turning it. He said that -- that he worked with Judge Tinley 22 when the additional panels were added, but doesn't know about 23 the original base and what sits into the ground. 24 And I also contacted S & S Bridge Company on Harper 25 Road. He does not have cranes to turn or move, but they -- 7-28-14 76 1 they contact companies. They just have forklifts. And I 2 contacted a company in Austin, Austin Crane. They rent 3 cranes, but do no moving of monuments. And I also called 4 Lewis Sign Builders in Buda. I haven't received a phone call 5 back from them. Mr. Zirkle is on vacation this week, and 6 he's going to be getting back towards the end of the week, so 7 he should have the measurements of the base and what's into 8 the ground, and then he'll be able to give us a better 9 knowledge of exactly whether, you know, these other companies 10 would be able to turn or move. In his opinion, though, if it 11 were to be turned or moved, they would have to get some kind 12 of a wrapping like carpet, and then box it up, and then 13 possibly be able to turn it or move it. Otherwise, there 14 would be cracking or chipping or breaking. And that would 15 all be left up to us to either raise additional money to try 16 and do a complete new monument, or leave it chipped or 17 cracked the way it would be. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd say leave it. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Leave it alone. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I do too. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Let them have their activities, and 22 they can look at the back of it. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I think we can change the 24 area between the monument and the parking area to make it 25 more, you know, user-friendly. It's not a big space there, 7-28-14 77 1 where you can put some -- you know, change some plants and 2 stuff there; you can make it more -- it'll still be in the 3 parking lot, but maybe just sit -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I've been by several times 5 when they were having activities out there, and they're 6 stacked all the way to the curb on Sidney Baker. And 7 traffic's moving by on Sidney Baker, and it's a safety 8 factor, I think. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree. But it sounds like 10 it's not real doable. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: It does sound like that. Just 12 forget it. Forget turning it. 13 MS. BAKER: Okay. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Stay with the original plan. 15 MS. BAKER: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay? All right. 17 MS. BAKER: Thank you. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you and your 19 committee. Thank you. Good work. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Sounds like nobody wants to do it. 21 They can always come up with excuses. It's a small job. 22 What was that, 1.1? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was 15. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I guess we can go -- 25 since it's 10:30, we can go to 1.18; consider, discuss, and 7-28-14 78 1 take appropriate action regarding Kerrville South Wastewater 2 System Contract Change Order Number 2, parentheses, changes 3 for paving, backfill, compaction tests, and three-phase 4 electrical power to the lift station on Quail Valley. 5 Mr. Moser? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. Is Keller 7 here? Keller's here. This -- this has to do with the 8 Kerrville South wastewater system, and there's a couple of 9 changes that -- basically, what it is is the RFP, request for 10 proposal, asks for -- in the contract, it said provide 11 three-phase power to the lift station. And there was an 12 estimate by KPUB to do that, somewhere between $50,000 and 13 $100,000. We've determined that there's another way to do 14 that, and that's to use a single-phase pump there, but it 15 takes a converter to do it. So, there is going to be a 16 change order -- a change to do that. The proposal is -- is 17 for these changes, that and some other compaction things 18 where tests were done. It's to be a no-cost change, and 19 there's an update on the schedule. Is that part of the 20 change order, Keller? Do you want to come forward and go 21 through the details of it? But basically, what it is is 22 backing off on one thing and adding something to the other 23 end. 24 MR. DROZDICK: Yes. Dollar-wise, it's a wash. 25 It's a net zero change for us. We're replacing the phase 7-28-14 79 1 power, as you mentioned, to accommodate the unexpected cost 2 of three-phase, and effectively, the County's getting a 3 credit for some paving issues we had earlier, so there will 4 be zero dollars. Schedule-wise, we're going to move the 5 schedule out 90 days, I believe it was, to -- 60 or 90 days. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That gets to us where, 7 September? 8 MR. DROZDICK: End of September. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: End of September. The 10 critical time on this is October 31st, is when this -- all 11 that work has to be complete. 12 MR. DROZDICK: Correct. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we leave ourselves about a 14 one-month margin, and then -- with the updated schedule. And 15 for the agreement, where does Fonseca stand on accepting 16 this? 17 MR. DROZDICK: I haven't heard back from them yet. 18 I got the documentation late Thursday of last week; I have 19 not heard from them yet. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This has been rather 21 complicated. Keller, the project engineer, Charlie and 22 myself and the City have spent -- we meet every week to try 23 and hammer out these details. And it could get to the 24 point -- you know, we wouldn't all do this, but you could get 25 to the point where, you know, we can't come to an agreement. 7-28-14 80 1 We can try to force the contractor to deliver three-phase 2 power there, and that's -- that's a big-ticket item. And 3 they would -- I'm sure we would have some -- probably need 4 some mediation services on that. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I got a conflict; I couldn't do it. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I know it. We'd have 7 to hire another one. So, anyway, this is to bring it to the 8 Court, hopefully just to give the background so we go forward 9 with the -- with the change order. Now, talk us through the 10 change order process. 11 MR. DROZDICK: Change order's currently at the 12 Department of Agriculture. They've got to sign off on it 13 first before it can be executed. But we expect to get their 14 approval later today. Once they've signed off and approved 15 it, I sign off on it recommending it, and then the County 16 will sign it to execute it, and then the contractor will sign 17 it. So, currently we have a draft copy out for their review, 18 so they know that it's coming. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what I would propose here 20 is that this change order changes the three-phase to 21 two-phase and accommodates the difference in the resurfacing 22 of some of those streets for no cost change to the County, 23 and as approved by T.D.A. Contingent on that approval, then 24 what I'll do is make a motion that we approve it and 25 authorize the Judge to sign the change order. 7-28-14 81 1 JUDGE POLLARD: What were the uses of the 2 three-phase that we're going to be giving up by going back to 3 two-phase? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's we had to do is -- is 5 because of the service conditions of the pump, we had to have 6 a three-phase pump. It was the only model that fit the 7 service conditions. That's why it was originally based on 8 three-phase. Once we explored options, we found this phase 9 converter, which essentially takes single-phase power at the 10 supply and then converts it to three-phase for use by the 11 pump. So, the pump itself doesn't change; the performance of 12 the lift station is the same. We're just adding another 13 piece of electrical gear between the power supply and the 14 starter and the pump, so we don't lose any functionality at 15 the lift station itself. The station performs just like it 16 did before. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a pretty common thing to 18 do with pumps. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In fact, every well pump there 21 is uses the same technology. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And we had to -- we had to do 23 a lot of discussion with the City to make sure it was 24 compatible with what their spare parts and their procedures 25 and processes are. So -- 7-28-14 82 1 JUDGE POLLARD: But there's a money difference, 2 apparently, to make the budget come out the same, huh? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're getting a credit on one 4 item, and they -- that extra funding off of the road work 5 will pay for this extra electrical. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Precisely. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So it's no net increase to the 8 County. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No net increase, correct. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Did you make a motion? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I made the motion that 12 we do -- we pass this contingent on T.D.A. approving it, per 13 the way we're describing it here, with no net increase. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Has there been a second? 15 MS. PIEPER: No. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Now there's been a second. Any 19 further discussion? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I got a question. Talk to 21 me about changes for paving. 22 MR. DROZDICK: The paving that was constructed -- 23 it was repairs on Quail Valley. What they did is they put in 24 regular flex base material that would normally be used under 25 roadways under new construction. That was not what was 7-28-14 83 1 called for in the contract. It was called for more robust 2 base material, asphalt stabilized base or similar options. 3 They had installed the flex base instead, and it wasn't 4 identified by the inspectors or communicated until basically 5 they had completed the paving work, so at that point, it was 6 a judgment call. Do we tear up all of the work to-date and 7 try to redo it correctly, or do we credit the County back? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's where the credit's 9 coming from? 10 MR. DROZDICK: Correct. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And they did a horrible job. 12 They need to be run out of town for that kind of work. 13 MR. DROZDICK: I've heard that. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Brand-new street, and it 15 looks like crap. We'll be fixing it in a couple years. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Define that. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Huh? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Define that. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: "Crap"? 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: At break time, I will. 22 Can't do that. There's some men in here that's never heard 23 talk like that. (Laughter.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: What -- how does it look -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 7-28-14 84 1 JUDGE POLLARD: -- that's so bad? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll drive you out there. 3 You're not going to like it. It's a brand-new road that's 4 been torn up. And -- and backfill, where's the backfill? 5 MR. DROZDICK: I think what I meant by backfill was 6 that it was the sub-base fill material. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Then there was a compaction 9 test done on that. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. Good to see you. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Those in favor of that 13 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. Thank 16 you, sir. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Keller. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: We're a little bit early for the 19 next 10:40 one. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We've already done that one. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Break? 22 JUDGE POLLARD: We have? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We haven't done that. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, we haven't yet. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Could we do a break, 10-minute 7-28-14 85 1 break? 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 10-minute break. 3 (Recess taken from 10:38 a.m. to 10:54 a.m.) 4 - - - - - - - - - - 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're back in session. 6 It's -- what time is it? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 10:55. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: 10:55 a.m. We're back in session 9 and Mr. Baldwin says he needs to make an announcement. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. I'd like to talk 11 to you about something just for a second. Years ago in this 12 Commissioners Court, the records were kept with tapes, little 13 -- they had a little cassette tape player and set it down 14 there, and everybody talked at one time. You couldn't hear 15 the tape even if there was one guy talking, and that was the 16 records kept for the history of Kerr County. And then we did 17 a brilliant thing and hired my friend Kathy as a court 18 reporter, and everything is precise now. You don't hear very 19 often -- you don't hear two people talking at one time 20 because of the order, and she carries a big stick. But I 21 said all of that to say that our friend Kathy, today is their 22 35th wedding anniversary. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Congratulations. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Congratulations. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Got married when she was 7-28-14 86 1 three. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Were you three when y'all 3 got married, or two? Three. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: That's great. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're proud of her, and 6 we're grateful for her. She's a good friend. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. We're back to 1.19, I think, 8 aren't we? 9 MS. PIEPER: Yes. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 11 appropriate action regarding funding applications to the 12 Texas Water Development Board, otherwise known as T.W.D.B., 13 for Clean Water State Resolving Fund, C.W.S.R.F., and 14 Economically Depressed Areas Program, E.D.A.P. -- boy, I'm 15 tired of all that initials crap -- for the Center Point 16 Wastewater, C.P.W.W.S. Commissioner Moser, Precinct 2, and 17 Commissioner Letz. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me start it, and then let 19 me let Jonathan Letz carry it on, 'cause he -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Don't talk in initials, please. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I shan't. I shan't. 22 Let's see. The Center Point wastewater project status is 23 that we're -- we're in detailed engineering, and Keller 24 Drozdick is here. He's the project engineer on it with Tetra 25 Tech. The detailed engineering will be complete this 7-28-14 87 1 calendar year, end of this calendar year. Then the next 2 phase is to release an RFP and get a contractor on board to 3 do 33 miles of sewer lines. Okay. That's not to -- to the 4 individual houses. There's potentially 900 connections to be 5 made to this system. It will be serviced by the -- the waste 6 servicing system will be down in Comfort, so it's gravity 7 flow, but there's about 12 or so lift stations that are 8 involved, so it's a big, big project. This discussion item 9 here regards funding for the next phase. It's roughly about 10 $26 million, is what it's estimated to be. And so Jonathan, 11 myself, and Keller went over to Austin, met with the Texas 12 Water Development Board here recently, and so I'll let 13 Jonathan talk about the funding of that, two parts of the 14 funding, and what the strategy is on it. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask a question. 16 We're on 1.19? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What's the difference 19 between this and the next item? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The next item is very specific 21 to a resolution. We're kind of talking overview of the 22 project, and the next item is very specific language required 23 for a resolution for us to proceed with an application. That 24 came from our -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Here you are wanting things 7-28-14 88 1 condensed by Jonas, and then what did you do here? 2 (Laughter.) 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's possible it could have 4 been done together, but they're done separately 'cause 5 Commissioner Moser did one of them and I did one of them too. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Up until now, we've been pretty 8 much relying -- or this last phase, anyway, we've been 9 relying on the Clean Water Act funding, which is the 10 C.W.S.R.F. fund -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Please. Please. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- for the funding. And the -- 13 and we're going to continue to do that. And the primary 14 reason for that source of funding is there was funds 15 available there. And E.D.A.P., the Economically Depressed 16 Areas, there was not funding in recent years for that 17 program. Well, the feds in Austin, whoever has kind of 18 joint -- where that money comes from, flow-through from the 19 feds, they switched it this year, and there is more funding 20 now in E.D.A.P. than there is in Clean Water Act State 21 Revolving Fund. So, we are going to be recommending we make 22 application to both funds. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Show me the money, huh? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Show us. You know, we're going 25 to apply. The bad news is, there's not enough money in 7-28-14 89 1 either fund, or the funds combined, to fund the project. 2 There are about $4 million available funds under the Clean 3 Water Act, the State Revolving Fund. And there's, we think, 4 about $12 million available in the E.D.A.P. fund. Even with 5 my math, that means $16 million, and we need, as Commissioner 6 Moser said, $26 million. So, we're looking at that as one of 7 the things we're going to visit with Director Bruun tomorrow 8 about, is some recommendation from them as to how we proceed, 9 whether it's better to phase it. If we do phase it, what's 10 that mean? Well, you know, that's kind of where we are on 11 the overall project. We're also talking with our financial 12 advisers and our legal counsel -- bond counsel on the -- you 13 know, how to proceed with all the funding issues and all 14 that, debt issues. The debt will be funded -- basically be 15 like a revenue bond; it will be paid for by the sewer 16 project, or the rest of the people that are tied up to it. 17 Everyone will be -- 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Reimburse the contractor? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Reimburse. It will be, like, a 20 30-year -- 20-year? -- 30-year debt that will -- but it will 21 be paid back out of the proceeds from the residents. That's 22 kind of, in a nutshell, where we are. I think we can go 23 straight to the other one while we're talking about it. If 24 you'll call 1.20, I'll address that as well. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, we'll call Item 1.20; 7-28-14 90 1 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding a 2 resolution requesting financial assistance from the Texas 3 Water Development Board for the construction and equipping of 4 a wastewater system in the Center Point area of the county. 5 Not a -- no acronyms in there, anyway. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No acronyms. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I like that. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There is -- maybe it's back in 9 my box. Anyway, I can go over it. There is a -- the 10 application process is that we need to submit the application 11 within the next month. And the -- Keller is in charge of 12 putting the application together. Our -- Tom Spurgeon, our 13 bond legal counsel, is the one who put this particular 14 language together for this, and then -- and he prepared a 15 resolution -- Jody, would you look in my in-box? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You need Tom's language? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, his resolution that he 18 wrote for us to adapt. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: To adopt? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I said adapt. Adopt. But the 21 idea is that we -- 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: I think that's it. Is that it? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We need to -- this very 24 specific form of the resolution is what Tom Spurgeon 25 prepared, and this is authorizing the submission of the 7-28-14 91 1 application. It's just the actual language. Jeannie, I had 2 a question on it. In that the dollar amounts are not filled 3 in, can we approve the resolution to authorize us to submit 4 the application without those numbers filled in? 5 MS. HARGIS: I think so. Because we didn't know 6 for sure what -- what we were going to do. I think once 7 Keller gets the numbers in concrete, then we can fill it in. 8 We can put the 26 million, I think. I don't know. I'm a 9 little -- I mean -- 10 MR. DROZDICK: The way the application process 11 works is they do it, roughly, annually. And you start off 12 with what's called a little I.U.P. form, about two or three 13 pages. We sent that in in March, and that asks for 25.5 14 million and change; I don't recall the exact number. Now 15 that they -- they like that, they're inviting us to give the 16 full application; that's the serious, long one. We can't 17 apply for more than that number, whatever that exact number 18 is. So, what I'm recommending is we go ahead and apply for 19 that full amount. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Same number in the blank? 21 MR. DROZDICK: Exactly. And then we'll just see 22 how the funding shakes out. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it would be an incomplete 24 application if you didn't do that. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 7-28-14 92 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, should we put this 26, or 2 do you have the exact amount? 3 MR. DROZDICK: I don't have it with me. I have the 4 25.5 -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 25.67, I think, something like 6 that. 7 MR. DROZDICK: Yeah, it's about 25.6, I think. 8 25.58, something like that. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Should we -- 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody want to move anything? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Anyway, I'll make a motion that 12 we approve the resolution requesting financial assistance 13 from the Texas Water Development Board for the construction 14 and equipping of a wastewater system in the Center Point area 15 of the county. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: And the form -- and form of the 17 resolution submitted by our -- Mr. Spurgeon, our bond 18 counsel. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: With the exact figure filled in the 21 blank. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct, and authorize you to 23 sign. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you sending the exact 7-28-14 93 1 figure to somebody? 2 MR. DROZDICK: Yes. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's been moved and 5 seconded. Is there any further discussion? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Was it seconded? I second. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I thought somebody did -- Buster? 8 Or -- 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I wanted to pretty bad. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Well, who seconded it? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I seconded. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any further 13 discussion? There being none, those in favor, signify by 14 raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this is largely how you do 18 this. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I guess we ought to hand this to 20 whoever's in charge of getting it done. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The complete application we'll 22 probably bring back as well, or will bring back as well. It 23 will not be filed until after our next Commissioners Court 24 date. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We got to go back and 7-28-14 94 1 pick up some we skipped. 2 MR. BOLLIER: 1.11, Judge. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.11; consider, discuss, and take 4 appropriate action regarding the sale and/or use of rainwater 5 collection at the Ag Barn. Commissioner Moser. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me defer that to the 7 future. There's more data we need to get. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It is deferred. 1.12; consider, 9 discuss, and take appropriate action regarding the Mooney 10 International roof repairs. Commissioner Moser. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's no action needed on 12 that, no discussion. I put this on the agenda just in case 13 we didn't have the contract in place with the consultant, and 14 it's in place, so no action, no discussion necessary. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do we have a consultant? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Consultant is on board. The 17 consultant is there; he's doing his work. They're going to 18 have it done within a couple of weeks, and then they'll get 19 back with Mooney. The good thing about it is -- is this 20 process is the one that literally the Judge proposed, is that 21 Mooney be in charge of hiring the contractor to repair the 22 roof based on the advice and oversight of the contractor, so 23 that's good. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But the Airport Board hired 25 the -- 7-28-14 95 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's correct. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And did you say that he's 3 going to report back to Mooney? Or the Airport Board? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He is going to work with 5 Mooney. He's going to report back to the Airport Board. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the other thing is -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Most important is that Mooney does 9 that hiring. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mooney does the hiring. That 12 was an issue, but that's been resolved. And I think the -- 13 this -- the amount for the consultant was -- was in the air, 14 but that's all been resolved. And the Airport Board will pay 15 it out of their reserve, and then we'll have it in our budget 16 next year, as will the City, to reimburse them for the 17 consultant. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: That's all on 1.14? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Anything else on 1.14? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not 14. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That -- no, that was 1.12. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, that was -- all 7-28-14 96 1 right. Well, let's go to 1.14; consider, discuss, and take 2 appropriate action to authorize the County Auditor to do an 3 audit for E.S.D. Number 2. Mr. Reeves? 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, sir. Kerr County 5 Emergency Services District Number 2, which services Mountain 6 Home Volunteer Fire Department, is required each year to have 7 an audit since they have indebtedness. And in the past, our 8 auditor's office has performed the audit, and therefore I 9 make a motion to authorize our County Auditor to conduct the 10 annual audit for Kerr County Emergency Services District 11 Number 2. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Question. Are you -- are you ready 14 to do that? 15 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It won't begin till after the 17 fiscal year is over. 18 MS. HARGIS: Yes. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. You have done it in the 20 past, though? 21 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir, I have. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. It's been moved 23 and seconded; the motion has been made. Those in favor, 24 signify by raising your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 7-28-14 97 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. Okay, 2 1.16; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on 3 resolution supporting hyperbaric oxygen therapy for veterans 4 with brain injuries. All right, let's look over here at 1.16 5 materials, and you'll see that there is a letter -- it's some 6 materials that were sent to me. As soon as I get to 16. And 7 I have scoured these. It talks about furnishing something 8 for wounded veterans to help them with brain injuries. And I 9 wondered if maybe it might be of some help to me with my -- 10 to repair my brain. (Laughter.) 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Maybe you and I could go out 12 and look, and practice -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, test it out. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Turn the pressure up real 15 high. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I thought of that last night 17 as I was reading this thing, and then I thought, well, I 18 wonder what kind of stuff -- are they going to cut part of my 19 brain out or what? And -- and it does talk about the old 20 treatment, the primary treatment that they're using today is 21 medications, which does not work. And it only -- and I 22 quote, "It only masks the symptoms, but does not cure the 23 problem." And -- and it talks about that over and over 24 again, and then what they want to do is go into healing 25 therapy now, but they don't say what healing therapy is. 7-28-14 98 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, if you look at it, I think 2 it's use of oxygen -- hyperbaric oxygen therapy. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know what -- it doesn't 5 ever explain that, what that is in here, but apparently it's 6 something that's advantageous for the -- for vets, wounded 7 warriors. And it's something that they get from explosions. 8 You know, in Afghanistan and Iraq, they just rode around in 9 vehicles waiting for somebody to blow them up. And those 10 that didn't -- still had all their arms and legs had a lot of 11 problem with their brains, it turns out. And this is some 12 kind of treatment that's apparently working in that regard. 13 The main thing I was looking through the material for is to 14 make sure what the cost to Kerr County is if we join this, 15 and I can't find anything in here. It says that it doesn't 16 cost us anything, but that's -- I come from the school of 17 thought, nothing's free. So, I'm kind of looking for that, 18 but I don't see anyplace in here that's it's going to cost us 19 anything. And it's a resolution. There's one here from 20 Bastrop County, a resolution, a sample in there, and when 21 they did it. And so I'm thinking if it doesn't cost us 22 anything, let's use that Bastrop County's as a form, and 23 let's go ahead and pass a resolution to that. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 7-28-14 99 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, this will be something 2 that they have at the -- not necessarily at our veterans 3 hospital? 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, right now -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just in general? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Right now, if you look at 7 where we're urging them to start paying more from the V.A., 8 it's only available with private funds or pro bono work. And 9 the V.A. -- the military hospitals is not doing this, and 10 we're urging them to try this type of treatment on our 11 wounded warriors. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, we're encouraging state 13 and federal people to make this available through the V.A. 14 system. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But we don't know anything 16 about it, but we're encouraging -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: We don't know the procedure, but 18 it's -- apparently, if it's been successful with them, I 19 don't know why we wouldn't -- why would we need to know what 20 the procedure is if we know it's been successful? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: On second thought, maybe Tom 22 out to go out there by himself without me. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Depends on what the pressure 24 level is. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No kidding. 7-28-14 100 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- I mean, we are 2 relying on -- that this is true. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a little bit of a leap of 5 faith. And, you know, I don't know that it is or isn't; I've 6 never heard of it. If it works, I'd be in favor. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I never heard of it until I got the 8 letter and the information. Actually, she came by to give it 9 to me, and I was out, so she -- she left the material and 10 then sent me an e-mail later. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm in favor of a resolution, 12 but I would like to know this is not some kind of hocus-pocus 13 therapy. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We could ask Ms. Baker to 15 review this and report back at the next meeting. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's an idea. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a good idea. 18 MS. BOLIN: Can I make a comment? I have a friend 19 who went through the hyperbaric chamber for her leg. She is 20 a retired veteran, 26 years. She was in fear of losing her 21 leg. She went through it in Lampasas, where they have a 22 hyperbaric chamber, and she was there six weeks. She went 23 once a day for an hour a day, and the healing was like three 24 times what she had in the last five years, just because of 25 the additional oxygen that goes to the wound that helps to 7-28-14 101 1 heal it. And she is on a fast pace to recovery now, where 2 she dealt with it for five years without doing anything, 3 'cause she didn't want to. And then she was more or less 4 forced to it, and it's worked great. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm familiar with that type 6 of treatment on an open wound. I'm just not familiar with 7 the closed head injury or anything like that. And that's -- 8 let's get our veterans officer -- 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's fine. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good idea. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think she can talk with Hill 13 Country Veterans Council. They have -- Dr. Bill Bacon is on 14 that; he'd probably have an idea. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll defer that, then, 16 to the next Commissioners meeting for more information. 17 1.17; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 18 regarding joining the Choice Partners Purchasing Co-op. And 19 this, again, is something I got in the mail. If you'll look 20 over at that supporting material, that's all I know about it, 21 is what was sent over here. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Are you aware of anything -- 23 MS. HARGIS: No, I'm not aware of it. I would 24 really like to look into it before -- and make sure it's 25 authorized by the state. 7-28-14 102 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like the County Auditor 2 to look at this and report back. If it can save us money, 3 great, but we want to make sure we can do this. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe the County Attorney might 5 also -- 6 MS. STEBBINS: I've had a look at the contract. I 7 can say that it's -- you know, I can approve it as to form, 8 but I -- my question is, what programs do they authorize? 9 And that I had some questions on as well. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there -- looks like it's a 11 system of just furnishing us with contract forms. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's sponsored by the Harris 13 County Department of Education, and been signed on by some 14 other counties. Sounds like it's the same -- a similar 15 purchasing board that we are -- we've joined many of them. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Exactly. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just don't -- 18 MS. HARGIS: And, really, most of the time we don't 19 deal with the Harris County ones because they're too far 20 away. We use Buy Board, or we use -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Buy Board's good. 22 MS. HARGIS: -- the ones out of Austin. And you 23 have a -- a fee that you have for joining, and right now I 24 think we have enough. It gets confusing to the different 25 departments if we're using different co-ops. 7-28-14 103 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with the Auditor. 2 But don't tell anybody I did. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was going to say, can we -- 4 you got that, Kathy, right? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Don't let the word get out 6 that I agreed with her about this. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We're deciding to take 8 no action on that; is that correct? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's move on to 1.21; 11 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to set rates 12 for use of the Hill Country Youth Event Center, event hall, 13 show barn, indoor arena, outdoor arena. Commissioners Letz 14 and Reeves. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner Reeves? 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. If you'll look at your 17 backup material, as we move forward with the construction of 18 the new building, as well as reviewing our past practices 19 with the indoor arena, the outdoor arena, our new show barn, 20 we feel we need to look at our current rate schedule, as well 21 as establish rental rates for the new building. Jody has 22 worked very hard calling around to comparable facilities in 23 other counties, how they're charging, as well as what some of 24 the competing buildings here in -- that are privately owned 25 in the county. One thing we have noticed on the event hall 7-28-14 104 1 and the meeting rooms, right now we're charging a fee for the 2 building, plus charges of $4 per table and 75 cents per 3 chair. Most of the facilities have a lump sum rental 4 agreement that includes the tables and chairs, which is 5 probably simpler for Jody on bookkeeping, and how many tables 6 and chairs. And I don't know if it's something we can make a 7 decision on today, but I would like to get the Court's 8 comments on what they think we -- how we should proceed. 9 Number 3? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: About all of it? 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: About all the rental rates. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: At one time, the outdoor arena 14 was $300, and we reduced it to $150 hoping that it would 15 bring in increased usage. I think Tim made that 16 recommendation. 17 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I don't -- I don't -- has 19 it increased the usage of it by reducing it from 300 to 150? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You might want to consider 22 that. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the issue on that from 24 a rental standpoint is the sand is not the right kind of sand 25 for the outdoor arena. That -- and I think until that sand 7-28-14 105 1 is changed, from what I've been told, no one's going to rent 2 it for any amount of money. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's a danger to the horses 5 as much as anything. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Impact's too hard. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The base or the sand. Yeah, 8 it was a bad design. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bad sand. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bad sand. But I thought there 11 was -- the base was not -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's the sand. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It compacts too hard. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Compacts too hard. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think one of the bigger 18 things on here is -- you know, and I don't know that we can 19 really -- presenting this, we can start moving forward. The 20 River Star, and then the new event hall, one of our biggest 21 problems, it seems to me, is our policy on nonprofits. Are 22 we going to really try to make money on this, or are we just 23 going to furnish -- we give it away a lot more than we get 24 paying customers, and -- and that's a policy issue that -- by 25 looking at some of these other facilities and other 7-28-14 106 1 information, that a lot of them don't give the kind of 2 discounts we give. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm not personally in favor of 4 giving anything away. And I don't want to make money on it, 5 either. I just -- I'd like to somehow see if we could get it 6 to help pay for itself. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: If we could just get it to -- 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: A lot of the facilities will 10 charge so much for electric use. And even if they have a 11 paying vendor, if you're needing -- and not so much for a 12 banquet or something, but if you have something like a gun 13 and knife show, that if you need an electrical outlet over 14 and above the table, you pay an additional fee. I know some 15 of the trade shows that I've been to, there was a base charge 16 for your booth; then if you needed electrical or I.T., you 17 paid extra for that to have with your -- your base rent. 18 Some of the facilities that we were looking at and that Jody 19 was checking on will charge a custodial fee. In other words, 20 so much a day to have somebody from Tim's facility out 21 there -- or his staff, rather, out there. And that may be 22 something that we'll look at when we're talking to some of 23 these nonprofits, is, well, the building itself may not cost 24 anything, but we've got to have staff members out there, or 25 you're needing electrical drops, and there's some per diem 7-28-14 107 1 charge for that to recoup some of that. 2 MS. HARGIS: We really need to recoup the 3 electrical. It's just really running out of sight. I mean, 4 we've gone from having to budget 60,000 to 90,000, so the 5 electrical cost is -- since the hog barn came into effect is 6 huge, and we really need to consider that, even on the 7 nonprofits. Because we -- you know, it's getting pretty big. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: What would you think would be a 9 fair charge for electrical on any length of service? 10 MS. HARGIS: Without looking at it, I think we're 11 going to have -- we need to -- I need to get with KPUB and 12 see if they can't give us, based on the size of the building, 13 what a daily rate might be on that. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have the meter. We know the 15 meter; we've got the bills. And that's a -- 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How much of that's all on one 18 -- those meters, I mean, how many different meters are there? 19 MS. HARGIS: There's three or four of them out 20 there. They come in separate. That's the problem. 21 MR. BOLLIER: I know there's at least -- I know 22 there's five of them. Maybe six, but I believe there's only 23 five. And then there's -- 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: There's five? 25 MR. BOLLIER: There's six or seven at River Star. 7-28-14 108 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. We don't care about 2 that. 3 MR. BOLLIER: And then there's another one -- 4 there's actually -- I think there's seven, counting one in 5 Flat Rock Park. Because I'm -- you don't want to worry about 6 that one, okay. 7 MS. HARGIS: So -- 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Our neighbors to the north in 9 Gillespie County charge a fee of $25 for each electric 10 outlet, and I guess there are four -- four per outlet. Four 11 plugs per outlet. They charge $25 for their events. If you 12 use -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: And that's 25 per outlet? 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, not per plug, but four 15 people could plug into it. Which I know, here again, from my 16 use in the private sector, we would pay generally $10 to $15 17 extra to be able to have electric service at our booth, and 18 we would plug into an outlet with four plugs, so I'm sure 19 they were paying extra, and that's why they're passing it on 20 to us. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, is the idea that -- to 22 approve this, or to say here's some information? 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Here's some information that 24 I wanted to bring up and get the Court's approval to continue 25 to come up with some recommendations in the future on. 7-28-14 109 1 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it's important to try to 2 make these decisions pretty quickly and have them in place. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's time. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: We can hit the ground running. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: We already got people wanting to 9 call to rent that place. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, on the bottom of this 11 sheet that I believe everybody received, -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- there are sample prices for 14 the -- the exhibit hall, including tables and chairs. I 15 don't have a problem with going with those. You know, it's 16 -- depending on the number of people. 17 MS. GRINSTEAD: Those are current prices. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: These are the current ones? 19 MS. GRINSTEAD: I wanted you to be able to compare 20 what we were charging for the smaller facility versus a 21 larger, nicer facility. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, do we -- I guess my 23 question is, do we need to look at this a little bit more 24 before we say let's approve it? And in light of what you're 25 saying about the electrical outlets, and Jeannie's getting 7-28-14 110 1 information -- could get some information perhaps from KPUB, 2 and maybe bring it back to the next court? 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, that's fine. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd like to see something else 6 besides the -- making it depend on how many people, because 7 you don't know how many. They estimate something, and it 8 might be totally different, so I -- we ought to -- 9 MS. GRINSTEAD: Well, Bob and I had also talked 10 about maybe a price cut up to 500 people, private groups. 11 Some things, I don't know that someone with 100 people should 12 pay the same as someone with 600 or 700. Like, putting -- 13 not 100, 200, 300, maybe up to 400, or up to -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess -- but to go along with 15 the Judge, it doesn't -- our cost is the same. If the doors 16 are open, it costs us the same, if you have 100 people there 17 or 1,000 people there. 18 MS. GRINSTEAD: But setup. A lot more setup. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. You have a marginal 20 cost depending on setup and power usage and that kind of 21 stuff. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you need to determine the 24 marginal cost. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 7-28-14 111 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Back to the electricity, 2 Bob, do you think that that -- the $25 for the four hookups 3 is reasonable? 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think for something like 5 the -- the new event center, or the new show barn, where it 6 has the drop-down coming out from the roof, $25 per use of 7 that. I know a lot of it will be on the honor system, but 8 still, we'll have some type of idea, okay, you're having this 9 type of an event. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: So that would be four times $25, 11 then? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, sir. No, sir. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Only $25? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: $6.25 for each plug. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, yeah, because each one 16 is -- but they're going to pass along the charge if it's a 17 commercial event that's bringing in vendors. Like the gun 18 and knife show or something else, they're going to pass that 19 charge to whoever's renting the table from them, just like at 20 events I've been to, they passed that charge on to me. If I 21 didn't want any electricity, then I didn't have any, but I 22 didn't pay the additional fee. And so, yes, I feel $25 per 23 plug for -- per day would be -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Whether they have one or 25 four. 7-28-14 112 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: One or four. The -- 2 generally, your event sponsor is going to pay us the $25. 3 Then they mark it up whatever they want. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mark it up more. Well, I 5 think you're probably -- I agree with that. I think you can 6 probably hang your hat on something like that. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know. I just -- is that 8 going to come anywhere close to getting us our 90,000 back? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We're not going to get it all 10 back. 11 MS. HARGIS: No, we're probably not going to. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: We're not charging enough. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Even in -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: We not did make it pay for itself. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, sir. No, sir, we will 16 never make it pay for itself. Where it will pay for itself 17 will be what it brings into the community. We're just trying 18 to cover the overhead. And it's -- what are you calling 19 paying for itself? Pay for insurance? Pay for debt service 20 or utilities? A lot of the utilities that we're paying for, 21 whether it's water or whatever, is going on during the week. 22 It's not going on during the event. It's just major upkeep. 23 So we -- we can reduce what it's costing us, but I don't 24 think we can ever price it to pay for all of the bills that's 25 coming out. 7-28-14 113 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think you're 100 percent 2 correct. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it is part of the 4 overall marketing use and plan, and we've talked about this 5 quite a bit, about bringing in a lot of revenue from 6 advertising. We have to look at the big picture of trying to 7 kind of make all this mesh and pay for our marketing plan. 8 The advertising component is probably pretty large. The 9 County Attorney's looking at that some to figure out exactly 10 how far we can go, but putting signs in the buildings, 11 signage, and redoing the sign in the front. And indications 12 are, and largely from Charlie over at Convention and Visitors 13 Bureau and others, that we can bring in quite a bit of 14 revenue off advertising out there if we're willing to -- and 15 there's some things like as to how we're going to continue to 16 operate. So, there is -- to me, rental fees are only one 17 component -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- of the revenue that we need 20 to receive for that facility. And we need to look at the 21 whole thing, and -- and in total. We do need to come up with 22 something, even if we have to change it. I mean, I think the 23 next meeting is fine, but we got to come up with a set of 24 rates for Jody to start renting it right now, and then if we 25 need to change it in six months, we change it. 7-28-14 114 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, again, I agree with 2 the electricity thing. I think put that down in ink today. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: My opinion. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, bring it back first meeting 6 in August with a -- hopefully. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, get a better picture of 8 what the electrical stuff would be. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Once again, I think the revenue 11 from rentals and things, all of that, we need to target 12 trying to reach where we can at least pay for maintenance and 13 what our out-of-pocket expense on it is. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: I think we need to target that. 16 Yes, sir? 17 MR. COOK: Do you have competition? Are you going 18 to -- 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Depends on where you look at 20 competition. Are you talking locally or regionally? It 21 depends on who you're trying to attract. 22 MR. COOK: If somebody calls up and wants to rent 23 the facility, are they going to call somebody else? What are 24 their rates? You can't price yourself away from that. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We can't price ourselves 7-28-14 115 1 below it, but we can't price ourselves out of it either. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're -- one of the things that 3 we have is a list pretty much for the central Texas region of 4 the comparable facilities from Uvalde, Fredericksburg -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Looking at that, it looks to me 6 like we're not charging enough. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, especially when we look 8 at the non-profits that use it free. That combination is 9 what's, you know -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think when I was looking at 11 this last year, I just took Jody's stuff. I think the 12 exhibit hall, we brought in -- two years ago, brought in 13 $30,000. Last year it was about 19,000. So, you know, 14 there's room for some -- as the Judge is saying, we need to 15 try and get that up to where it -- the marginal costs are at 16 least covered. 17 MS. GRINSTEAD: We haven't rented it in a year. It 18 was, "Are we going to have a building? Are we not going to 19 have a building?" So, I haven't even rented the exhibit hall 20 in -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: -- two or three years. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I was looking at for a full 24 year when we did it. Maybe it's three years ago -- three 25 years ago and two years ago. 7-28-14 116 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I think I agree with the 2 Judge. At our next meeting, we need to come up with 3 something. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Next one would be what, 7 1.22? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 10 appropriate action regarding update of construction at Hill 11 Country Youth Event Center and related issues. Commissioners 12 Letz and Reeves. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You go ahead and take that 14 one. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is just kind of an update 16 on where we are. The slabs were completed last week. It was 17 delayed a little bit because of the rain. They poured the 18 far-west section on Tuesday and the center section Thursday. 19 They're waiting on the testing to make sure the concrete is 20 strong enough to support the -- the machinery to put the roof 21 on. The first pour is ready, and they are -- they did 22 modify, I believe, the concrete mix some to try to accelerate 23 how quickly they can get on it. Charlie, have you heard 24 where they are on the testing of the concrete? 25 MR. HASTINGS: They've had some test results back. 7-28-14 117 1 They were well over 3,000; 3,500, 3,600. We're going to 2 start seeing some -- well, they don't have the testing back 3 from Thursday. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thursday? 5 MR. HASTINGS: They haven't been done yet. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So, two-thirds of the 7 building are meeting the criteria, and based on how quickly 8 they got to over 3,000, I would suspect that the Thursday 9 pour probably is there, or will be. 10 MR. HASTINGS: It will be there pretty quick. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, the building was delivered 12 last Tuesday with all the metal, and they'll start putting 13 that up as soon as -- well, today. They're out there 14 actually moving stuff around today, so they'll probably start 15 today, and that will be the next step. The -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: How does it look like for being 17 complete and ready to occupy in January? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tight. But -- 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It will be substantially 20 complete. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be substantially -- it 22 will be usable. It's just a matter of -- you now, and 23 they're still -- I think Huser's still confident. They're -- 24 the problem has been, you know, we're at that point that it's 25 only a single trade out there at a time right now. Once the 7-28-14 118 1 metal goes up and the skin goes on, then they can start 2 turning everyone loose at once almost, and they can really 3 start pushing things. They did a -- the CPU block that's 4 going to be around a good part of the building, they did a 5 mock-up of that, the masons did, and I looked at it. I 6 didn't look real close. To me, they're going to go ahead and 7 seal it. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I haven't seen it since it 9 was sealed. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I haven't either. They'll 11 spend a week on that. And we rely heavily on Jody -- 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And her color expertise. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- and her color expertise on 14 these decisions. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Some kind of pink. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Anyway, it's -- I mean, it's 17 going as quick as it can go. And Huser's chomping at the bit 18 to get a lot of other trades out there. The sewer line, all 19 that's been complete, Charlie? 20 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Charlie and Road and 22 Bridge, they stay out there a whole lot more than Bob and I 23 are out there. I try to go by once a day or so. I think 24 Bob's out there daily. But -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It'll start raining now, just 7-28-14 119 1 because we're tight. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But that's kind of an 3 update. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.23; consider, 5 discuss, and take appropriate action to approve Change Order 6 Number 3 and Change Order Number 4 for the Event Hall at the 7 Hill Country Youth Event Center. Commissioners Letz and 8 Reeves. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have misplaced Change Order 10 Number 3, so we can -- do you want to come back to this after 11 lunch? I can tell you the amount is about 6,000 -- do you 12 have three? Oh, thank you. Change Order 3 is an increase in 13 the total budget of $6,110, and that is for a number of -- 14 the Court will recall we met with I.T. and Maintenance a 15 while back, and they did a lot of small changes. The main -- 16 probably the most expensive one that was adjusted is all the 17 mechanical equipment was put into a closed room, no access to 18 it. It was in a storage room, and it was -- one piece of the 19 I.T. components was moved. It also added a couple of mop 20 sinks in both of the bathrooms at the request of Maintenance. 21 They had mop sinks, but they weren't -- and some of the 22 changes are moving things around. The restrooms were, in 23 Tim's opinion, and I would agree, too far away from where the 24 mop sinks were located, which were in other areas. So, those 25 two -- those additions amounted to a total of $6,110. 7-28-14 120 1 Change Order 3 -- that was 3; I mean Change Order 2 4. I have copies here to hand out to everybody. It's adding 3 back into the project the stone on the front vestibule. We 4 talked a little but about this at the last meeting. The 5 change order amount is the -- the amount that was bid as an 6 alternate in the original contract. We took it out, trying 7 to save funds, and we talked about it quite a bit. Bob and I 8 recommended that we add the stone back in. There's a couple 9 of reasons for it. And it was -- one, if we don't add it 10 back, there will be a change order of about $6,000 to $8,000, 11 because they're going to have to redesign the flashing and 12 some of the other components at the front of the building. 13 The other issue comes in that if you go -- right now, the 14 plan is to put split-face CMU in this area -- block in this 15 area. If we were to come back later and put the rock -- the 16 veneer over it, which there's the ability to do, that it 17 causes a real problem with the windows and doors and leaking. 18 And it just seems that -- I think everyone is in agreement 19 that the best option is just to put the stone onto the front 20 of the vestibule right now. The columns are stone right now. 21 This is just adding around the vestibule. It is what was in 22 the alternate quote of $30,000. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Does rock work match the -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- stone -- 7-28-14 121 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm sorry, go ahead. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- posts? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is it -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, columns. The columns. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: "Posts" to you and me, 7 Commissioner. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Since we had the cutback, 10 where's the funding come from? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The funding could come out of 12 that facility, which would be basically reducing some of the 13 upgrades that we were hoping to do in the arena. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Change orders. It's coming off 16 of that project. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I see. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will be coming. And I'll 19 make a motion that we approve Change Order 3 in the amount of 20 $6,110, and Change Order 4 in the amount of $30,000. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And funding to come from the -- 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Indoor arena -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Improvements. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- at the ag facility. 7-28-14 122 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: At the ag facility. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 4 If not, those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 5 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Its four-zero, unanimous. 1.24; 7 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to authorize 8 change order to accommodate catering kitchen at the Hill 9 Country Youth Event Center. Commissioners Letz and Reeves 10 again. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We were talking about this. 12 We -- I think we met and have located where the catering 13 kitchen -- shared with the Court where the catering kitchen 14 would likely go. You know, and it's kind of in the end of 15 the alleyway next to the building. There may be some cost; 16 we're going to be some changing some block and things of that 17 nature. And before we told, basically, the architect to do a 18 slight change order for that area, we wanted to make sure 19 what this is. Right now there's CMU block there. If it's 20 going to be a catering kitchen, they recommending changing it 21 to it smooth rock -- smooth block, and there's a few other 22 things on it. They may modify electrical; they might shift a 23 door over a little bit to accommodate that going in. And 24 we're not talking about a large sum of money, but before 25 we -- 7-28-14 123 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And some of the door shifting 2 is just simply for emergency exits. You can't have an 3 emergency exit directly through a kitchen, so you got to move 4 one door. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: So you're not asking for putting in 6 a kitchen right now; you just want to modify it so it's 7 easily -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: The kitchen can be added. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And move the door. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, can we approve this not 12 knowing -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Basically, I really need 14 direction as to, do I authorize them to go ahead and prepare 15 the change orders? I mean, there's no point for us to change 16 it unless we want it. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm in favor of it. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that would still come out 19 of the funding -- come out of -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: So, no action on that right now? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.25; consider, 7-28-14 124 1 discuss, and take appropriate action to authorize design of 2 catering kitchen at Hill Country Youth Event Center and 3 update master plan for entire facility, including River Star 4 Arts and Event Center, Flat Rock Park, and other potential 5 facilities. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This goes into -- we talked 7 about this just a little bit last week of coming up with some 8 costs for some items out there, including the catering 9 kitchen and updating the whole master plan, including the 10 River Star park, and just putting it all on drawings, 11 basically, and maybe adding some future components to the 12 drawings. That's -- I asked Peter Lewis to come up with a 13 plan for that. Anyway, the total cost is $4,000. If we want 14 to go into further discussion, we probably need to go into 15 executive session on this, but this is the item we talked 16 about in executive session at our last meeting. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, this is to update -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The master plan. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- the site master plan? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Update site master plan, look 21 at some cost components for some other possible additions. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: For the whole complex. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For the whole complex. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Flat Rock, River Star, Youth 25 Event Center. 7-28-14 125 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And this would be for $4,000 2 for him to do all of this? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Down to Professional 6 Services at Number 1, it says, "Meet with Commissioners and 7 other stakeholders." Who are other stakeholders? 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Stock show. Livestock show, 9 mainly, in my opinion. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They are, as we know, putting 13 up a large sum. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The other -- I said the amount. 15 The 4,000 is the amount. There are some -- you now, the 16 typical copy costs and some of that other stuff that comes in 17 under the reimbursable expenses. I think that would be less 18 than $500. I talked to the Auditor; we have this amount of 19 funding available in the Professional Services line item 20 under Commissioners Court, and it's something I think is 21 going to be helpful in moving forward to have a master plan 22 that's kind of -- 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How much is in that line? 24 MS. HARGIS: I think we still have about 30,000. 25 Without it in front of me, I'm not sure. 7-28-14 126 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think having a master plan 2 is a good idea, and it needs to be updated. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, a drawing and where -- so 4 you can kind of keep track of anything else we need to add. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 7 approve the agreement with Peter Lewis and Associates to 8 complete the agenda item for an amount not to exceed $4,500. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Second? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the funds should come out 12 of Professional Services. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not to exceed 45? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because I said there's 500 for 15 the reimbursable expenses. There's always a little bit above 16 on the schedule. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 18 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 19 hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. 1.26; 22 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to authorize 23 Peter Lewis, Tim Bollier, and Charlie Hastings to work with 24 Southwest Sound to request proposal for a sound system in the 25 Event Hall at Hill Country Youth Event Center. Commissioners 7-28-14 127 1 Letz and Reeves again. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This one -- Southwest Sound 3 is the same company that placed the sound system in the 4 indoor arena and new show barn, and we need to place a 5 comparable system that will work with everything in the new 6 event hall. And so I would like to authorize Maintenance, 7 Charlie Hastings, and our architect to develop the proposal 8 that we will need for this. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Develop the request for 10 proposal. This would be for multiple -- send it out to 11 whomever. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Probably almost a single 13 source, because -- well, it's got to work with the system 14 that we have. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, got it. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I guess, I mean, if we 17 already -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did we have some problems, 19 though, with that when the system was first designed and 20 built and installed in the new indoor -- 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: In the show barn? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, in the show barn. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We noticed that at the stock 24 show fundraiser last year. But if you'll recall, they came 25 out there and changed some ways the speakers were turned and 7-28-14 128 1 added some more against the wall, and I believe even the 2 livestock show contributed to that. Isn't that right, 3 Mr. Bauer? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is just reconfiguring -- 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, they added some half 6 speakers against the wall -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, I see. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- as well as the ones 9 hanging up there, and I believe they did that and rectified 10 most of the problems on that. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And there is not going to be a 12 -- like, a -- I don't know. My thought would be it's going 13 to be a system that's comparable to what we have, but a 14 little bit better in the show barn and the arena. We're not 15 talking about an extremely high-tech big sound system. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is just authorization to 17 prepare the RFP? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, and to meet with 19 Southwest Sound. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Excuse me, Request for 21 Proposal. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Now that we're getting to here, 24 to me, it's -- it was -- the idea is to meet with Southwest 25 Sound if it's not a bid item. If it -- in other words, if 7-28-14 129 1 the amount is less than whatever our bid limit -- 25,000, 2 we'll probably just work with Southwest Sound. If it's going 3 to be higher than that, then we do an RFP. Or we can do an 4 RFP either way. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Somehow, you have to write the 6 specifications of what you want. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, okay. Charlie's looking 8 at me with -- 9 MR. HASTINGS: I just want to get some 10 clarification. If we're getting an RFP, then that means 11 we're going to go out -- that means we're going to prepare a 12 document that everybody can bid on. And I think the way this 13 was written was intended that we just go with Southwest Sound 14 and work with them. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It says RFP. 16 MR. HASTINGS: "Request proposal for..." I don't 17 see "Request for Proposal." It's just "request proposal." 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think what we can do, we can 19 work with Southwest Sound, and then tell Southwest Sound that 20 we may be putting this out for bid. You know, but they're 21 writing the specifications, so they should have a leg up on 22 it. 23 MR. HASTINGS: Well, we're going to get 24 specification -- lots of questions from them. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You'll probably get the 7-28-14 130 1 specifications from them anyway on what the system ought to 2 be. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We need to know what's needed 4 in the building. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's kind of a competition. If 6 it's -- if it's over 25,000, we got to bid it; then it's 7 going to an RFP. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Why don't you talk to them and ask 9 for specifications, and have them tell you what they think -- 10 what it's going to cost -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: -- for them to do it. If it's over 13 25,000, we got to go out for public bids. 14 MR. HASTINGS: Jeannie's saying if it's over 50. 15 MS. HARGIS: It's 50,000. Remember, they changed 16 it. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do we need any action by the 18 Court to go out and talk to -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is -- again, we put it on 20 the agenda just to keep the Court aware -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- as to where we're going on 23 the project, just so people weren't doing things no one knew 24 about. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7-28-14 131 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Information. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Information, got you. 3 Thanks. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll go to 1.27, then; 5 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding the 6 Schreiner -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We've already done that. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: We did. 1.28; consider, discuss, 9 and take appropriate action regarding bankruptcy, legal, 10 leasing, financial, and other related issues related to the 11 River Star Arts and Events Park. Executive session. Is 12 there anything else for the open session? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All the other stuff. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All the other stuff here. We got 15 to pay bills, budget amendments, and late bills. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's do all that. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to 4.1 and pay 18 the bills. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we pay the bills. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Any discussion? There being none, 22 those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Its four-oh, unanimous. 4.2, 25 budget amendments. Does the County Auditor have any 7-28-14 132 1 presentation on budget amendments? 2 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir, I do. Did you pay the bills 3 already? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: We already paid them. Train went 6 by. 7 MS. HARGIS: Okay, train went by. We do have 8 several budget amendments. It's that time of the year. 9 There are 21 of them. I think you all have copies. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 11 MS. HARGIS: Are there any questions? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is there anything 13 alarming -- 14 MS. HARGIS: No. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- anywhere? 16 MS. HARGIS: No, they're just small amounts. 17 They're all small. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Cattle guards? We have to 19 hire people to guard people's cattle? (Laughter.) 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: $121; you'll pay for that. I 21 move that we accept the proposed budget amendments. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 25 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 7-28-14 133 1 hand. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It is unanimous, four-zero. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Late bills. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Late bills. 6 MS. HARGIS: I don't have any, unless my staff 7 brought some in while -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: No late bills? Well, that's easy. 9 We'll pass that, then. Approve and accept monthly reports? 10 MS. PIEPER: He's got them over there. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. Up here? Monthly reports. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move that we accept the 13 monthly reports. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Who are they from there, 15 Commissioner? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They're from the County 17 Treasurer for June, County Treasurer Quarterly Investment 18 Report, and the Constable, Precinct 3, for May and June. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Seconded. Any further discussion? 23 If there's none, those in favor, signify by raising your 24 right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 7-28-14 134 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. 5.1, 2 reports from Commissioners/liaison committee assignments? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: None. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: None. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: 5.2, reports from elected officials 7 and department heads. Anybody? 8 MS. LANTZ: Open enrollment will be August 6 and 7. 9 The 6th, it will be at the Sheriff's Annex, and everybody 10 should have gotten times to enroll for that. And then on the 11 7th, it's here in the courthouse, so if you've not signed up, 12 make sure you sign up with H.R. Also, we're going to be 13 doing a health fair for Kerr County employees, and that is 14 going to be September 18th, and that will be distributed as 15 well. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Anything else? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a -- this is from the 18 Sheriff, since he isn't here. Update on the -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: You look different, Sheriff. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Grew a little bit taller. On 21 the radio system, Tom and I were at a meeting with the 22 Sheriff and Motorola folks last week. The amount -- there 23 were some additional costs that we didn't put in the RFP, 24 such as taking down -- the tower configuration is going to be 25 different, so there's going to be equipment on towers that we 7-28-14 135 1 don't need. We're obligated to take that equipment down. 2 There's some other -- there's some redundancy things that we 3 didn't put in, or I guess all the things the Sheriff wants. 4 He thinks, bottom line, it looks like this cost is about 1.4 5 million. We have -- the bond or the C.O. was for 1.1 6 million. We are working -- or he is working with Motorola 7 right now, with the idea being that we will pay them 1.1 8 million now, and then over the next four years, pay them 9 $100,000 per year for the -- that balance, that additional 10 300,000 that may be required. It's still up -- we're still 11 working on it. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Paying them an extra 100,000? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A year, per year for three 14 years. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Coming out of his budget? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: His annual budget. And then 17 the other item that we are looking at is the maintenance 18 agreements. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I might add on this other, 20 Jonathan and I -- and the Motorola guys had a good contingent 21 of people there. We went through in detail every one of 22 these things that were being proposed, and it just made a lot 23 of sense. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. One of the things 25 they're doing, they're changing -- to get the coverage that 7-28-14 136 1 is the 98 -- 98 percent in the car and 95 percent by 2 hand-held, -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- to get that coverage, they 5 want to relocate -- they're not going to use the Smoky 6 Hills -- Smoky Mountain tower, and shift all their equipment 7 to a tower outside Comfort, and that will give them better 8 coverage in much of the county, they think. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: I think that's important. I do. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. And it's the -- and 11 there is one thing that's in there which, to me, is kind of 12 a -- it's a big deal to Motorola; wasn't that big a deal to 13 me. There's, like, a $150,000 cost for them to do this study 14 to make -- to guarantee that we're going to get that coverage 15 and that. If they do the study and then we opt out or don't 16 do anything, we're going to have to pay them $10,000 to do 17 the study. We're not going to opt out, so it doesn't make 18 any difference to me. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Can I ask an question about that 21 100,000? And we're talking about a difference of 100,000. 22 You said the additional cost was going to be 1.4; then you 23 said we're going to pay them 1.1, and then pay them 100,000 a 24 year for four years. That's one -- that's 1.5 -- 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Three years. We pay them 1.1 7-28-14 137 1 the first year, then in years 2, 3 and 4 -- 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And they are going back to 4 their management to see if -- you know, they're working on 5 that. That's kind of where we are. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: We're not agreeing to pay them more 7 than this 1.4? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. And there's no interest on 9 any of it. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is just an update. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: An update of kind of where we 13 are on it. Anyway, that's what it is. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any other reports? If 15 not, then I guess we'll close the open session -- recess the 16 open session and go into closed session. 17 (The open session was closed at 11:57 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 18 is contained in a separate document.) 19 - - - - - - - - - - 20 JUDGE POLLARD: We can go; there's nobody wanting 21 to come in. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We got the clerk; that's all we 23 need. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. All right, we're back 25 in open session at 12:24 p.m., now it is. Are there any 7-28-14 138 1 matters that we want to -- any motions as a result of closed 2 session? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 4 authorize Commissioner Reeves to bid on items that will be at 5 the online auction at River Star Arts and Event Park, in the 6 amount to be as budgeted in our -- in our budget. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the C.O. for parks. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In the C.O. -- right. Some of 9 it may come out of the parks budget. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, leave it in the C.O. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: C.O.? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It may need to come out of the 13 parks budget, 'cause it may not -- it might not be a capital 14 item, potentially. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, I see what you're saying. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, the majority of it would 17 -- I mean, anyway, out of those two accounts. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When is the auction? 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The auction will be August 7 24 through August 21 of this year. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. All right. 7-28-14 139 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 2 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 3 hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's four-zero, unanimous. Is 6 there anything else? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I have nothing. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Then we'll entertain a motion for 9 adjournment. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. 13 Those in favor, raise your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It is unanimous, four-zero. We're 16 closed. 17 (Commissioners Court recessed from 12:25 p.m. to 2:40 p.m.) 18 - - - - - - - - - - 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we've got to go back and 20 amend this morning's session on that item -- what item was 21 that line item? Somebody still got that agenda? I chunked 22 mine already. 23 MS. PIEPER: I have the agenda. 24 (Discussion off the record.) 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1.10. 7-28-14 140 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 1.10. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, we're coming -- 3 we're coming out of the workshop session, going back into 4 this morning's session that ended at about 12 -- 5 Commissioners Court meeting, about 12:25 or 12:30, as I 6 remember, and we're going to reopen as to Item 1.10. And -- 7 and we're going to -- I'm going announce that we recessed 8 this subject to reconsidering it and coming back into open 9 session after the budget workshop, and we're now at that time 10 after the budget workshop, and so I'm now opening the regular 11 session of Commissioners Court. And I'd suggest that we -- 12 I'd entertain a motion at this time. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that we 14 authorize the County Judge to send the two options that I 15 presented to Court -- I don't have a copy of them with me -- 16 those two options to the City. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We're not going to choose 18 one to send over there? We're going to send both of them 19 over there and ask them to choose how they want -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's their election. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Their election. Those are the 22 two options. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But we want them to do one 25 or the other? 7-28-14 141 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It's their choice. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Their choice. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It is their choice to do one 4 or the other. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the key. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The key. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's my motion. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What was the motion? 9 (Laughter.) 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To authorize the County Judge 11 to send Options 1 and 2 to the City that I presented in court 12 related to the funding for the library and environmental. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: So they can make a choice between 14 Option 1 or 2. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. That's his motion. Is 17 there a second? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Is 20 there any further discussion? If not, then those in favor, 21 raise your right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It is four-zero, unanimous. Make 24 that five. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. 7-28-14 142 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Little emphasis there. All right. 2 Is there anything further for this open session? I'll 3 entertain a motion to adjourn. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. 7 Those in favor, raise your right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It is unanimous. Thank you very 10 much. 11 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 2:23 p.m.) 12 - - - - - - - - - - 13 14 STATE OF TEXAS | 15 COUNTY OF KERR | 16 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 17 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 18 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 19 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 20 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 31st day of July, 2014. 21 22 JANNETT PIEPER, Kerr County Clerk 23 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 24 Certified Shorthand Reporter 25 7-28-14