1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Regular Session 10 Monday, February 9, 2015 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X February 9, 2015 2 PAGE 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 6 4 1.1 Report regarding Boy Scouts of America - 5 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept preliminary revision of plat for Lots 7 6 and 8 of Saddlewood Estates; set public hearing 7 7 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept preliminary revision of plat for Lots 17-A, 8 9, and 10 of Saddlewood Estates; set public hearing 8 9 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request from American Red Brangus organization to 10 use facilities at Hill Country Youth Event Center in June 2015 at a reduced rate based on their 11 nonprofit status 11 12 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request to use Event Hall at Hill Country Youth 13 Event Center on June 6, 2015, at a reduced rate for a 4-H and F.F.A. fundraiser 12, 14 80 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to set 15 public hearing regarding placing gates at the ends of Gulch Ranch Road pursuant to petition filed by 16 Steve Schulte, attorney of record for the Hightower and McAnelly families 13 17 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding 18 replacing a recycle bin at Hunt United Methodist Church, Precinct 4 16 19 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to open, 20 review, and accept bid proposals for depository and banking services for Kerr County 30 21 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 22 accept contract with Texas D.M.V. for Karen Rothrock to be a “County Tester” in Austin for 23 refactoring of the Registration Title System; have County Judge sign same 33 24 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 25 accept Tier 1-Partial Exemption Racial Profiling report for Constable, Precinct 1 36 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) February 9, 2015 2 PAGE 3 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to authorize submission of a Project Information 4 Form (PIF) to begin the process of applying for funding assistance under TWDB CWSRF SFY 2016 5 program for construction of Center Point waste- water collection system project 36 6 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 7 order calling a bond election 38 8 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept the resignation of Jennifer Favour from 9 motor vehicle department effective February 20, 2015, and request permission to hire for the 10 budgeted position 44 11 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding approving Environmental Impairment 12 Liability coverage to be renewed for a 3-year term with TAC-JI Companies; have County Judge 13 sign same 45 14 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve job description for Assistant Emergency 15 Management Coordinator 47 16 1.16 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding opening bids for a Naming Rights 17 Partnership with Kerr County for the Hill Country Youth Event Center 87 18 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 19 regarding Center Point Lions Park improvements 87 20 1.18 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding time and use regulations for county 21 parks -- 22 1.19 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding placing a recycle bin in Center Point -- 23 1.20 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 24 terminate contract with Omni Elevator (Schindler Elevator) for elevator services in Kerr County 25 Courthouse effective June 1, 2015 100 4 1 I N D E X (Continued) February 9, 2015 2 PAGE 3 1.21 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve contract with Thyssen Krupp Elevator to 4 service both elevators in Kerr County Courthouse and allow County Judge to sign same; contract to 5 become effective beginning June 1, 2015 100 6 1.22 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept annual report to Commissioners Court 7 and audit of Kerr County ESD #2 103 8 1.24 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve Change Order #5 (includes Change Proposals 9 22, 23, 24 & 25) for Event Hall at Hill Country Youth Event Center 104 10 1.25 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 11 approve application and certificate for payment (Application No. 9) for Event Hall at Hill 12 Country Youth Event Center 107 13 4.1 Pay Bills 108 4.2 Budget Amendments 108 14 4.3 Late Bills 109 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 113 15 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 16 Assignments --- 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 115 17 1.23 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 18 regarding pending litigation (Executive Session) 120 19 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed in Executive Session --- 20 --- Adjourned 120 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 On Monday, February 9, 2015, at 9:00 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: It's Monday, February 9, 2015, it's 8 9 a.m., and the Kerr County Commissioners Court is in 9 session. It's Mr. Moser's day. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. Please rise and 11 pray with me, and after we have a prayer, then Joseph and 12 Denton Wilke are going to -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Dylan. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dylan, excuse me, Wilke, lead 15 the pledge to the United States flag. 16 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, boys. What Scout 18 troop are you from? 19 MR. WILKE: I'm from Scout Troop 60. Troop 60. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you have anything further to 21 say? This is the public -- public comment part of the 22 Commissioners Court, so do you have anything to report? 23 MR. WILKE: Just thank y'all for letting me come up 24 here and do this today. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, thank you for doing it. 2-9-15 6 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 2 MR. ODOM: When are you going to get your Eagle 3 Scout? 4 MR. WILKE: I want to get it as soon as I can. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When you get it, come back. 7 MR. WILKE: Yes, sir, I will. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Are there any other citizens that 9 wish to make any comments? This is that part of the agenda, 10 on items that are not on the agenda. Anybody? There being 11 none, we'll next go to the comments of the Commissioners. Do 12 you have anything, Mr. Baldwin? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sir, I do not. Thank you 14 very much. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Moser? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think everybody has seen it 17 and heard about what Mooney International has done out at the 18 airport. Just to refresh everybody's memory, terrible roof 19 conditions out there. I mean, you can't believe how bad some 20 of the structure is. So, the City -- thanks to the City and 21 the County, each put in a half a million dollars, and we 22 capped it at that, and then the bids came in to do the 23 repairs; they came in at about 1.5 million. Mooney came up 24 with the other half a million dollars to do -- to improve the 25 facilities that's owned by the City and the County, and I 2-9-15 7 1 think that just shows what a good, good partner they are with 2 the entire community, and how important they are to this 3 community, with 100-plus employees, and I think going to 165 4 this summer. So, just a little shout out for those folks, so 5 that's it. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. I have nothing. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Nothing, Judge. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Nothing here, Your Honor. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, then we'll go to 10 Item 1 on the agenda. 1.1, report regarding the -- well, we 11 had, I guess, the report from the Boy Scouts of America. Is 12 Frances Henderson here? I guess not. Okay. 1.2; consider, 13 discuss, and take appropriate action for the Court to accept 14 the preliminary revision of plat for Lots 7 and 8 of 15 Saddlewood Estates, Section 2, Block 5, Volume 7, Pages 16 39-42, and set a public hearing. Mr. Hastings? 17 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Saddlewood Partners I, 18 Limited, own Lot 7; it's 5.77 acres, and Lot 8, 4.61 acres. 19 Saddlewood Partners, they'd like to alter the center lot line 20 of both Lots 7 and 8. Lot 7R will become 4.8 acres, and Lot 21 8R will become 5.5 acres. The water in Saddlewood Estates is 22 provided by Aqua Texas water system. Lots 7 and 8 are 23 located in the ETJ of the City of Kerrville. And at this 24 time, we're asking the Court to accept the preliminary 25 revision of plat for Lots 7 and 8 of Saddlewood Estates, 2-9-15 8 1 Section 2, Block 5, Volume 7, Pages 39 through 42, and set a 2 public hearing for Monday, March 23rd, 2015, at 9 a.m. This 3 is in Precinct 1. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move that we do so. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 7 we accept the preliminary plat for Lots 7 and 8 in this 8 subdivision, and to set a public hearing for -- what date was 9 that, Mr. Hastings? 10 MR. HASTINGS: That would be March 23rd. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: March -- 12 MR. HASTINGS: At 9 a.m. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: March the 23rd. Not February? 14 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir, March. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. March the 23rd of this year. 16 Is there any further discussion? There being none, those in 17 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 18 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you, 20 sir. Item 1.3 on the agenda; consider, discuss, and take 21 appropriate action for the Court to accept the preliminary 22 revision of plat for Lots 17-A, 9 and 10 of Saddlewood 23 Estates, Section 2, Block 5, Volume 7, Pages 39-42, and plat 24 13-5905, and set a public hearing. Mr. Hastings? 25 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Ted and E'von Owen own 2-9-15 9 1 Lot 17-A, 6.69 acres, and Lot 9, 3.03 acres. And Gary and 2 Mary Eisenbarth own Lot 10, which is 3.22 acres. The two 3 property owners would each like to subdivide a portion of Lot 4 9 to add to each of their current lots. The Owens' proposed 5 Lot 18-R would become 8.69 acres, and the Eisenbarths' 6 proposed Lot 10-R would become 4.25 acres. Aqua Texas is the 7 water provider, and all lots are in the ETJ of the City of 8 Kerrville. At this time, we're asking the Court to accept 9 the preliminary revision of plat for Lots 17-A and 9 and 10 10 of Saddlewood Estates, Section 2, Block 5, Volume 7, Pages 39 11 through 42, and Plat 13-5905, and to set a public hearing for 12 Monday, March 23rd, at 9:10 a.m., Precinct 1. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Move for approval. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that we 16 accept the preliminary plat and set a public hearing for 17 March the 23rd -- 18 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: -- of this year. Is there any 20 further discussion? I'd like to ask a question. It's a part 21 of another lot, right? 22 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: And what is the other remaining lot 24 going to be? What acreage will it have in it after the 25 change? 2-9-15 10 1 MR. HASTINGS: Well, Lot 9 is going to be split 2 between the two, and so one lot is going to go from 3 6.69 acres to 8.69, and the other -- Lot 10 is going to go 4 from 3.22 to 4.25. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 9 disappears. 7 MR. HASTINGS: And 9 goes away. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Somewhere in here, I 9 saw that it was a part of Lot 9, and that gave me some 10 concern there was going to be something left. All right, I'm 11 satisfied with that. Any further comments or questions? 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to say they're 13 getting larger, not smaller. If they get larger, that's a 14 good thing. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: I know, but the one that 16 disappears, if it was a part of the one -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: -- disappearing, then it -- I have 19 some concern about it not complying on lot size. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, I agree. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: If there was some left, and that 22 was my concern. All right. Any further comments or 23 suggestions? There being none, those in favor, signify by 24 raising your right hand. 25 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 2-9-15 11 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you, 2 Mr. Hastings. 1.4; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 3 action on request from the American Red Brangus Association 4 to use the facilities at the Hill Country Youth Event Center 5 in June of this year at a reduced rate based on their 6 nonprofit status. Jeannie Engle. 7 MS. ENGLE: Yes, sir. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am? 9 MS. ENGLE: Okay, I wasn't quite sure what you 10 needed, so I brought our letter from the I.R.S. We were -- 11 American Red Brangus Foundation was granted a 501(c)(3) in 12 2012. The purpose of our organization is to provide 13 scholarships and funding to promote education for our 14 students, and we do that every year through our junior show. 15 And we give out between $3,000 to $8,000 a year in 16 scholarships to children from the age of 9 up to 21. We 17 would love to have our national junior show here this summer. 18 Again, we were here 15 to 20 years ago. We'd like to bring 19 it back here to Kerrville and use your excellent facilities 20 that y'all have updated for our show. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's -- I think the 22 Court received an e-mail from Mr. McIlvain about this as 23 well. They've already pre-booked, I believe, like, 80 hotel 24 rooms. And we are -- I'm ecstatic about having y'all come 25 back to Kerrville, and I'll make a motion to grant nonprofit 2-9-15 12 1 status to the Red Brangus Association. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second it. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: The meaning of that is to waive 4 fees altogether? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, they just get the reduced 6 fees. It's what the -- 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's our booking policies 8 already established. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The standard rates. I think 10 it's a -- it's a good move, and they're entitled to the 11 nonprofit status, in my mind. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 13 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 14 hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, ma'am. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. Welcome back. 19 MS. ENGLE: Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Welcome home. (Laughter.) 21 MS. ENGLE: Great to be back in Texas. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.5; consider, discuss, and take 24 appropriate action on request to use the Event Hall at Hill 25 Country Youth Event Center in June this year, June 6th, at a 2-9-15 13 1 reduced rate for a 4-H and F.F.A. fundraiser. Ceslie 2 Armstrong? Is that the way you pronounce that? Is there a 3 Ceslie Armstrong here? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I'll make a comment on 5 this. I talked to Mr. Walston about this one. This is not a 6 group that is coming through our Extension Office and through 7 our 4-H directly, not affiliated with it. And my 8 recommendation would be that they visit with Mr. Walston and 9 our 4-H group, and if they want to do some kind of event, it 10 needs to come through that county office, because it's not -- 11 it's a little bit -- they're not -- this is not our 4-H. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They're not affiliated with 13 the 4-H or F.F.A. They're wanting to have a benefit that the 14 proceeds will go to the 4-H or F.F.A. They're not a 15 501(c)(3), and they are not doing this through either our 16 local Extension Office or the respective F.F.A. clubs, so I 17 move we take no action on this. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No action. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Anybody disagree with 20 that? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: If not, we'll proceed. All right. 23 1.6; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to set a 24 public hearing regarding placing gates at the ends of Gulch 25 Ranch Road pursuant to a petition filed by Steve Schulte, 2-9-15 14 1 attorney of record for the Hightower and McAnelly families. 2 Commissioner Reeves. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, sir. Mr. Schulte, as 4 the item reflects, represents the Hightower and McAnelly 5 families. They have filed a petition to place gates at the 6 end of Gulch Ranch Road, also -- or formerly known as South 7 Park Road, in the Guadalupe Ranch Estates. While a public 8 hearing, according to the County Attorney, is not necessarily 9 required, I do suggest we hold a public hearing regarding 10 this issue on March 23rd, 2015, at 9:15 a.m, and I'll make 11 that in the form of a motion. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll second it, but, god, we 14 really need to talk about that. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, been moved and seconded. Any 18 further discussion or comments? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is this a -- is this a 20 public road? 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's a private road, 22 private-maintained public access road. It's an easement 23 road. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Public road. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. And Mr. Schulte is 2-9-15 15 1 here. He has filed the petition that's in the backup, and 2 simply what I want right now is to be able to have a public 3 hearing where everybody can speak, and then we can bring it 4 up, what their concerns are, or positive remarks on the 23rd 5 of March. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Would you like to add anything, 8 Mr. Schulte? 9 MR. SCHULTE: Just for clarification, Commissioner 10 Baldwin, the Texas law allows a -- roads are classified as 11 first, second, or third class. This is a third-class road, 12 and the Texas law allows, with Commissioners Court approval, 13 to gate a third-class road if it's not locked. And because 14 of various issues with this road, we're asking that that road 15 be gated. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, I understand. 17 Thank you very much. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the public hearing is just 19 to let everybody know that it's going to happen and to have 20 their say? 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Right. Then we can take 22 action on it, on the agenda item afterwards. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: So you don't intend to lock it? 24 MR. SCHULTE: Correct. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 2-9-15 16 1 the -- this matter be set for a public hearing on March the 2 23rd. Any further discussion or comment? There being none, 3 those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 1.7; 6 consider, discuss -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a timed item. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: That is a timed item. It's not 9 quite -- well, I don't know; that clock says 9:15. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, it's 9:15. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Official timekeeper. Sorry 12 about that. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 14 appropriate action regarding replacing a recycle bin at the 15 Hunt United Methodist Church, Precinct 4. Commissioner 16 Reeves? 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. This is a 18 follow-up to the meeting two weeks ago. As of February 1st, 19 a recycling trailer that was located at the Hunt United 20 Methodist Church -- it was provided by the recycling 21 center -- was scheduled for removal. And I visited with the 22 recycling center, Mr. Barron. It's all due to budget cuts 23 and reallocation of manpower from the recycling center. I 24 find this to be a crying shame, basically, whereas citizens 25 of the county, in a joint venture with the recycling center, 2-9-15 17 1 are losing out on some of their services that are available. 2 The -- I talked to Mr. Barron, even to the degree that would 3 we be able -- if it's just the manpower of hauling the 4 trailer from Hunt to the recycling center, could our 5 Maintenance or Road and Bridge Department do that? And in 6 fairness to him, he said that would take an interlocal 7 agreement with the City. I'm hoping maybe we can get 8 something worked out. But in the meantime, I visited with 9 Sherri Jones of Republic Services. They have some recycling 10 containers available at a cost. If you look at the 11 courthouse, we have a dumpster type right out there on Earl 12 Garrett and Sidney Baker. These are the type that pick up 13 with the front-end lift on a truck. Unfortunately, Republic 14 Services does not go out that far with that type of dumpster. 15 Their equipment will not go out to Hunt. What they do have 16 available, and what I am recommending, is they have a 17 30-yard -- 30-cubic-yard container for recycling. It's 18 basically 22 feet by 8 feet wide; 22 feet long, 5-foot high, 19 that the recycling can be placed in and picked up as the need 20 arises. At the time when it's full, it can be loaded. It is 21 open top, and we still need to figure out -- I'm hoping the 22 people in the audience, which I see quite a few probably in 23 support. If you are here in support of it -- I know you've 24 turned in some paperwork, and we would like you to speak, but 25 for the Court, how many are here today regarding the -- 2-9-15 18 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Raise your hands. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah, I believe there's a 3 definite need for that, and we need to help with this. The 4 fee would be $325 per load, plus a $50-a-month storage fee -- 5 rental fee. I know we don't have it budgeted, but it's 6 something like this that I think, through the work of the 7 Auditor, she indicated we may can find the money. Republic 8 Services has requested that we review this on a 30-, 60-, and 9 90-day cycle to see how -- how much is being placed in it. 10 They're estimating maybe once every six weeks, it will need 11 to be picked up and hauled back to their recycling center. I 12 would like to compliment Republic Services, Sherri Jones, on 13 working this out. And the existing trailer that was there, 14 if you imagine what a flatbed trailer, and then it set -- had 15 in it the recycling bins; it was enclosed. So, what I'd like 16 at this time is to authorize approval, on at least a 90-day 17 trial period, to place this container back at the Methodist 18 Church, and then review that. I feel certain I can work with 19 the citizens of Hunt to figure out what kind of tarp we need 20 to put over it, because it will be open top, and we don't 21 want the recyclables, especially cardboard and newspaper, to 22 get wet. But she suggested we can come up with a tarp of 23 some type, and that -- that would be my proposal, to do this. 24 And maybe within the 90-day time frame, we can work 25 something, talk with the City to see if we can work some type 2-9-15 19 1 of agreement to haul that trailer back and forth through our 2 manpower if needed, just to provide this to our citizens. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So that's how -- that's 4 how -- we need to haul it ourselves? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, Republic Service will 6 pick up this container. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But maybe something in the 9 future, we can do. But I don't want to see the recycling 10 effort, which is very well used in Hunt, go by the wayside 11 till we can work out something further down the line. So, at 12 least a 90-day stopgap method, and look at this again. But I 13 would like to -- to -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is the Auditor in the 15 audience? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: She is, and I'd like her comment. 17 You can find it? 18 MS. HARGIS: You know, for short term. We need to 19 think about it if it's going to be every 30 days. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Longer than how long? 21 MS. HARGIS: If we have to pay 325 every 30 days. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's not every 30 days; it's 23 every time it's picked up. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Which is estimated to be every six 25 weeks. 2-9-15 20 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So what I'm suggesting, let's 2 look at it for 90 days right now, to get over this hump, so 3 that the recycling can continue out in the west part of the 4 county. 5 MS. HARGIS: Well, I'll do the best I can. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: You think you can? Yes, ma'am? 7 MS. GRIFFIN: Sandy Griffin. Was -- did the church 8 give approval to leave something there permanently? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, ma'am. What I am 10 suggesting, if the church can't, there's the Volunteer Fire 11 Department; there's other areas. I just want to get approval 12 with the money, then I'll find a place. I'd hate to find a 13 place and then not have the money. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I hate to be negative -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, ho. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're kidding. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Are we going to discussion 18 now? I've got some discussion. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's go to discussion. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, go ahead. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think recycling is great, and 22 I'm very disappointed that the City is pulling back their 23 services. I think that clearly is not the intent of the 24 original deal and agreement that the County and the City 25 made, and it appears to me that that's the problem. And if 2-9-15 21 1 the City is making a unilateral decision to change that 2 substantially, and affecting the County, I'm much more of the 3 mind of canceling the agreement with the City, and -- and 4 they can go find their own property to put a recycling 5 center. Clearly, I mean, I haven't gone back in the written 6 minutes, but I don't see any reason that the Commissioners 7 Court at the time would have entered into an agreement to 8 only benefit a few people, or the citizens of the city of 9 Kerrville, and leave out all of the other rest of the 10 citizens of the county. That just doesn't make sense to me. 11 So, my problem really is with the City. As to doing 12 something like this in Hunt, we can't approve something 13 that's benefiting only a small segment of the county. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's my point. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If we're going to do it, we 16 need to do it in several -- in the eastern part of the 17 county, the northern part of the county, at least -- at least 18 two, probably four different locations to make it available 19 to all citizens. And if we do that, we're looking at 20 probably about $1,000 a month or something -- you know, some 21 figure that's somewhat substantial. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: More than that. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I think that we -- you 24 know, so I think we need to look at that. Now, the people in 25 Hunt that clearly use this facility, I think it's great. 2-9-15 22 1 And -- but unless we're offering that same service to the 2 whole county, I can't go along with it. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I -- I put on the agenda the 4 same thing -- pardon me -- Item Number 1.17, when I saw this, 5 because -- pardon me -- I had the same feeling as 6 Commissioner Letz. I think it's a good thing. I think the 7 people in Hunt have benefited from it. I think other people 8 in the county would like to have the same service provided to 9 them. If we're doing that, I think we need to look across 10 the county and see where else we need to do it. Or I also 11 agree, you know, it's probably one of these things -- 12 hopefully, City and County has done a lot in reaching 13 agreements on things; hopefully we can reach an agreement on 14 the recycling. I know a lot of people have collected -- and 15 I understand it's not cost-wise effective to collect glass 16 any more, but I know a lot of people have collected a lot of 17 glass that they just hate to take to the landfill. 18 And I talked to the City Manager the other day 19 about that, and he said, you know, it's just going to end up 20 in the landfill anyway; it's just not cost-effective. But I 21 think -- I think it's a big thing. If we can -- we can 22 figure out how to recycle some of this stuff from around the 23 county and do the same thing that Commissioner Reeves is 24 suggesting here, I think it would be -- would be a big plus. 25 I don't know if -- I don't know if the City would even 2-9-15 23 1 entertain the idea of taking the glass if it were brought to 2 them. I think they're -- they're saying it's -- it's a loss 3 for them, an extra burden on them to do that. So, I think 4 we're talking about what Commissioner Letz said. We've got 5 an interlocal agreement; we need to see where that is before 6 we -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Another part of my problem is 8 that I see -- I know the Mayor's in the audience, but we've 9 asked on two occasions for the City to come and explain their 10 recycling. They have, up to now, not done it. 11 MAYOR PRATT: I'll respond to that, Commissioner. 12 We have given you a report. It was given to the Judge. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It was. 14 MAYOR PRATT: We gave it to you almost a month ago. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I haven't seen a report. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I haven't either. Good. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I suggest we put it on the 18 next agenda, and study the things that -- that Commissioner 19 Letz has talked about. I'll find that report for you and get 20 it around to everybody. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This still doesn't rectify 22 what we're needing in Hunt right now. I understand about it 23 not being equal, but this is one that was the only place that 24 there was one for the time being, and it's been taken away. 25 And I feel a duty to look to at least find a stopgap effort 2-9-15 24 1 until we can continue it in some other manner, because each 2 part in the county may be different. I know we're worried 3 about the money; I'm worried about the money. But some areas 4 they may have where you -- we don't have to use a 5 30-cubic-yard container, because they have the pick-ups. The 6 one outside the courthouse runs about $90 a month, so the 7 cost is going to vary at each location. And we've got a 8 large number of people here, and I'm sure they may want to 9 speak, but I want to at least make a motion that we authorize 10 for a 90-day period the finding and placing of a -- the funds 11 for a 30-cubic-yard recycle container in Hunt. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm going to second that 13 motion so that we can get this down the road and talk about 14 it and find out. There possibly -- with his idea of not 15 being able to serve just one area of the county, I'm -- I 16 want to know the legalities of that as well. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion 18 on that? It's been moved and seconded. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think just as a -- if we're 20 going to bring it back, we also need to look at -- I mean, 21 recycling is -- I mean a lot of residents around the county 22 pay for trash service, and this is a -- is part of trash 23 service. And I think that this is a slippery slope for us to 24 start paying trash service for the public. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, trash service and 2-9-15 25 1 recycling are two different animals. I recycle and bring it 2 to Kerrville, and I also have a truck come by my house and 3 pick up my trash. That's two different things. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it is, but I still -- 5 and I understand exactly what Commissioner Reeves and what 6 the people in the audience are saying, but I don't -- I don't 7 think we can do this for one -- one section of the county and 8 not consider -- at the same time, okay, we're going to commit 9 public funds to do something like this without considering 10 other parts of the county. So, that's -- I have to -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I wasn't planning on voting 12 for yours. (Laughter.) That's a joke. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I hadn't -- 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a joke. Don't get -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was well -- that was 16 probably well understood when I put it on the agenda. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, yeah, I mean, if there's a 18 way we can continue -- I mean, continue the services of the 19 recycling center, I'd be all in favor of it. And maybe 20 that's, to me, a better avenue. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Do you want to table 23 the motion, then? Or -- 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to vote on it today. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 2-9-15 26 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to vote on my motion 2 today. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Those in favor of the 4 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 5 (Commissioners Baldwin and Reeves voted in favor of the motion.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Those opposed? 7 (Commissioners Moser and Letz voted against the 8 motion.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm going to vote opposed, but with 10 the understanding that we bring it back -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: -- on the next agenda, and study 13 this thing. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's fine. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's good. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Did they file -- some people -- 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah, I believe some of them 18 would like to be heard. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you want to be heard, anybody? 21 MS. GRIFFIN: I'll say one thing -- Sandy Griffin 22 again. Due to the fact that it's out in Hunt, it's very 23 convenient for a lot of us. However, we can still recycle. 24 We can bring it in on our way to the grocery store. We can 25 drive up to the recycle center, and they take it out of your 2-9-15 27 1 truck and dump it in their bins. So, it's not like we are 2 going to stop recycling. I thought at first I was going to 3 if it wasn't made convenient to me in Hunt, but -- but, I 4 mean, it is a very, very nice thing to have out there, and 5 it's a great thing if we could consider satellite trailers in 6 other parts of the county also. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am? 9 MS. THOMAS: My name is Liz Thomas, and I -- I 10 house at the Hunt United Methodist Church. One thing that 11 we've noticed is in the very beginning, you have had some 12 people recycling, but you have probably twice the amount of 13 people recycling now, because the trailer is there, because 14 it is convenient. I think if the recycling trailer were to 15 be taken away, people would just throw it in their garbage. 16 MR. GRIFFIN: Yes. 17 MS. THOMAS: So, it really has been a huge 18 advantage. We've been doing this for the past year, and the 19 City comes out there typically once a week. And I think you 20 -- you saw the trailer, and it's usually full by the time 21 they come and get it at the end of the week, because people 22 are so receptive to it that they just -- it's overflowing 23 sometimes. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: What size is the present container 25 out there? 2-9-15 28 1 MS. THOMAS: Oh, I don't know. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's about 20 foot, like I 3 said. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: About the same size as the one 5 you're talking about? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, no, not near as high, not 7 near as wide. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 'Cause you can't have an 10 8-foot -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 12 MS. GRIFFIN: It fills up within a couple of days 13 most of the time. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, will the City take -- 15 take this if we continue -- 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This is going to Republic 17 Services. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, going to Republic 19 Services, not to the recycling facility. And where does that 20 go -- where does Republic Services recycling go? 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm assuming they take it to 22 San Antonio. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, wow. Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Allied Waste, Republic 25 Services. I talked with Sherri Jones with Republic Services. 2-9-15 29 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And just a question. The 2 trailer has, like, different areas -- 3 MS. GRIFFIN: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The existing one has doors, 5 shuttles, whatever you want to call it, that you -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Segments. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Glass here, paper here, plastic 8 here. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This one would have to be 10 sorted once it's -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there anybody else in the 12 audience that wishes to speak? Yes, sir. 13 AUDIENCE: I'd like to speak to what Ms. Thomas was 14 saying. This has been a convenience. And I will still 15 recycle and bring it into Kerrville. However, on those times 16 when it's not -- it's not convenient, I'm going to put it in 17 the trash, and I think that's what a lot of people are going 18 to do. If it's that inconvenient that I cannot coincide that 19 with a trip to Kerrville to go to H.E.B. or whatever, it's 20 going to go in the trash, and I guess that ends up in the 21 landfill. So, I just want to say I will still recycle when 22 it's convenient, and that's all. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think that same feeling is 24 felt by a lot of people in the county. So, I think 25 everybody's -- everybody supports, endorses, loves to 2-9-15 30 1 recycle, and I think all we want to do is just if -- if yours 2 is one volume, let's double or triple it for the county, and 3 make the same convenience for everybody. 4 MS. GRIFFIN: Absolutely. I would be happy to 5 share the trailer with other parts of the county. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it will be multiple 7 trailers. 8 MS. GRIFFIN: It could almost be two days in Hunt, 9 two days in another part of the county, two days -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That works. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, that's a -- transportation of 12 it is an expensive item. Anyway, these are all things that 13 we can, in the meanwhile, investigate better, and when it 14 comes up on the next agenda, maybe we'll have some further 15 information on it that will enable us to make a decision 16 about this. We appreciate all of you coming today. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sandy, welcome back. Good 18 to see you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there anyone else 20 that wishes to speak on it? If not, we'll go to Item 1.8 -- 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Timed item. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we have a timed item, 23 1.9. We'll skip 1.8 for the moment and go to 1.9; it's 24 supposed to be heard at 9:30. Consider, discuss, and take 25 appropriate action to open, review, and accept bid proposals 2-9-15 31 1 for depository and banking services for Kerr County. Tracy 2 Soldan. Hi. 3 MS. SOLDAN: Good morning. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Good morning. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tracy, when we get these 6 open and transfer them to you, do you have a company -- 7 MS. SOLDAN: We have Patterson and Associates that 8 we hire to do the review. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, yeah. 10 MS. SOLDAN: And I'll be working with them. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This might be the same thing; 12 I'm not sure. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the requirement is the 15 County Judge takes it home and has it all read and figured 16 out by tomorrow morning? (Laughter.) I think we've tried 17 that before, and it didn't work. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: It won't work this time, either. 19 (Laughter.) Okay. So far, we have two bids, it appears, and 20 from Security State Bank and Trust. I'm not sure why they 21 have two bids. But we also have one from Pioneer Bank, and 22 here's one from Comerica Bank. Another one from Comerica. 23 And the thickest one of all -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Wells Fargo. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: -- is from Wells Fargo. 2-9-15 32 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Whole box up there; it' got 2 C.D.'s in there and stuff. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll put this stuff on the 4 floor behind you. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, all right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I make a motion we 7 accept all submittals and refer them to the Treasurer and 8 Auditor for review and recommendation. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: And to the County Attorney? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that they 13 be referred to the staff -- various members of the staff for 14 study and recommendations. Is there any further discussion? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, they actually have a 16 company that gets with all of those people you just named and 17 helps them through it. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That we've hired throughout 20 the years, been with us several years. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. Is there any 22 further discussion on that? Then those in favor of the 23 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you, 2-9-15 33 1 Tracy. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do you want these now, Tracy? 3 MS. SOLDAN: I'll get them after. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Bring a wheelbarrow. All right, 5 let's go back to -- well, there's another 9:30 one. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.10; consider, discuss, and take 8 appropriate action to accept the contract with the Texas 9 D.M.V. for Karen Rothrock to be a county tester -- that's got 10 quotes around that -- in Austin for the refactoring of the 11 registration title system, and have the Judge sign same. 12 Diane Bolin. Oh, good morning. You're not Diane. 13 MS. GUARDIOLA: I'm not; I'm filling in for Diane. 14 You have -- 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Your name? 16 MS. GUARDIOLA: Cindy Guardiola. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, thank you. Go ahead. 18 MS. GUARDIOLA: The D.M.V., Texas Department of 19 Motor Vehicles, has asked the tax assessor-collectors from 20 each county to assist them in testing the refactoring of our 21 title registration system, and we have -- they've selected 22 Karen out of our Ingram annex station to be the county 23 tester. She'll be going to -- traveling to Austin, be there 24 for about a course of 28 days, and she'll be doing 25 assignments given by the D.M.v. and making sure there's no 2-9-15 34 1 glitches in the new system. And you have somebody that 2 works -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: And they will be paying her, not 4 the county, -- 5 MS. GUARDIOLA: Correct. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: -- while she's there? Okay. 7 MS. GUARDIOLA: They'll be taking care of expenses 8 and travel. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Exactly what is the process of 10 the refactoring? Did you explain that? 11 MS. GUARDIOLA: We've had the RTS system for 12 about -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: "RTS" is what? 14 MS. GUARDIOLA: Registration title services. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 16 MS. GUARDIOLA: It's been the same for a while now, 17 maybe more than 10 years. And they've -- due to how we're 18 going now to registering everything with people's driver's 19 license numbers and adding rights of survivorship on records, 20 the system has to be changed up a bit in order to -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 22 MS. GUARDIOLA: -- for all that information to fit 23 on people's records now. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Diane Bolin did talk to me about 2-9-15 35 1 this week before last, and it's -- the folks in Austin 2 developed this process, and they're not out in the field 3 dealing with the actual public and getting these title 4 transfers done, and so this is the first time they've asked 5 for people from the field to come in and help them revise the 6 process, and have input from people who are out there in the 7 trenches, which I thought was a really good idea. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Very wise. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: So Diane and I highly recommend it. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll second that. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Thank you, ma'am. 12 MS. GUARDIOLA: Okay. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a motion? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I so move. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Third. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion 19 on the matter? It's been moved and seconded that we approve 20 this item on the agenda, 1.9. Any further discussion? There 21 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 22 hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you. 25 All right. No, that was Item 1.10, I'm sorry. That was 2-9-15 36 1 passed. All right, now we'll go back to 1.8 on the regular 2 untimed agenda; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 3 action to accept the Tier 1 partial exemption racial 4 profiling report for Constable, Precinct 1. Constable 5 Lavender. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's our standard procedure 7 here. I move for approval. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that we 12 accept the -- this report from Constable Lavender. Any -- 13 any discussion? There being none, those in favor, signify by 14 raising your right hand. 15 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. We'll go now 17 to 1.11 on the agenda; consider, discuss, and take 18 appropriate action for Commissioners Court to authorize the 19 submission of a project information form, a PIF, to begin the 20 process of applying for funding assistance under the TWDB 21 CWSRF SFY 2016 program for the construction of the Center 22 Point Wastewater Collection System project. Commissioners 23 Moser and Letz. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. This is a 25 lot of acronyms; Texas Water Development Board and Clean 2-9-15 37 1 Water State Revolving Fund. What this is is the approval to 2 submit a project information form so we can be ranked across 3 the state for this project, and that's what it is. And so -- 4 and it's to authorize approval of that submission. So, I so 5 move. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I second, and I'll make a 7 comment as well. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Good. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The comment is that we did this 10 last year. We were approved; we were funded, but not funded 11 to the degree -- and I think the Court should be aware, or 12 was aware of that, not funded to the degree through the Clean 13 Water State Revolving Fund that we had hoped. So, we're 14 reapplying for the same funding that we were approved for 15 this year, and there's no commitment. This is just to get us 16 in the queue again. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And this is just to the 18 Water Development Board? No other agency or boards involved 19 in this? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we are still -- and 23 independent of this, we are still pursuing E.D.A.P. funding. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sure. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 2-9-15 38 1 being none, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising 2 your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's go to Item 1.12; consider, 7 discuss, and take appropriate action on order calling a bond 8 election. Ms. Hargis? 9 MS. HARGIS: Good morning. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Morning. 11 MS. HARGIS: As I think we discussed and have been 12 discussing for the month of January, the Court had agreed to 13 call a bond election for May the 9th, 2015, to consider the 14 expansion of the jail facility, so this is the order setting 15 the date of the election. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. And -- 17 and the reason -- the main reason that I want to do that is I 18 want to get this thing down the road so that the public, the 19 voters of Kerr County, can take a look at it and make a 20 decision. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that the 23 bond election -- we execute an order calling a bond election. 24 This will be for the jail, I think we're talking about, 25 right? 2-9-15 39 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. Expansion. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: The jail expansion, right. All 3 right. Is there any further discussion? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we have the -- is there 5 exact language we need from the bond counsel? 6 MS. HARGIS: Yes, we have the order, and it came 7 from our bond counsel, yes. 8 MS. ALFORD: I have a question on the order in 9 that, on dealing with the polling places. Are we going to 10 have 20 polling places? It is a Saturday election. It is 11 hard to get people to work on Saturday. Are we going to 12 consolidate into four voting precincts? 13 MS. HARGIS: They have 20 listed. 14 MS. ALFORD: Yes, ma'am, but I gave them two -- I 15 gave them both things. That order they sent was with the 20, 16 but we had discussed -- I talked to them, and we could 17 consolidate, and I didn't know if the Court wanted to 18 consolidate. 19 MS. HARGIS: Okay. I'm going to defer to -- to Mr. 20 Spurgeon on this one. 21 MS. GRINSTEAD: He said in the e-mail that you 22 should all have in the backup that if we change it to four, 23 they just need to revise the wording. So if you change it to 24 four -- he's got it with 20, but if you change it to four, 25 they'll just send us new wording. It wouldn't be an issue. 2-9-15 40 1 MS. HARGIS: Ten or four? 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Four. 3 MS. ALFORD: Four, one in each precinct. It would 4 be -- Precinct 1 would be at the River Hills Mall. Two, the 5 Union Church is booked for that Saturday, so my suggestion is 6 the Ag Barn, to use the Hill Country Youth Center. Three 7 would be at the Cailloux Theater, and then 4 would be at the 8 Ingram Annex office. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't have any problem with 10 four. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I have no problem with four. 12 I just -- can we do that without -- without an agenda item? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It is part of the agenda item. 14 MS. ALFORD: It's part of the agenda item on the 15 order where they can revise the order. 16 MS. HARGIS: The order -- the second page of the 17 order actually lists the 20 places, so I'm assuming we can 18 just revise the order. It's up to the Court to decide. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think four makes sense. And 20 there's an early voting period as well, correct? 21 MS. ALFORD: That's correct. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That would be at the Cailloux 23 Center? 24 MS. ALFORD: Yes, Cailloux and Ingram office. And 25 because it's with -- since it's a May election, it's with the 2-9-15 41 1 City of Kerrville. The first two days are 7:00 to 7:00 2 hours, and then 8:00 to 5:00 are the other hours. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we should revise the 4 order to -- to reflect four polling places, as opposed to 20. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I think -- 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know that we revise it. We 8 just change the order to say there will be four. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: That's going to be what's 11 authorized, with four in it instead of -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And does it authorize those 14 four to be the four that she stated? 15 MS. ALFORD: Yes, I gave those four to the 16 attorney. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Those four, you know, name them. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Those will be at the 19 locations -- 20 MS. HARGIS: Those four are listed already on this 21 one. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And so where are the four 23 again? 24 MS. ALFORD: They would be River Hills Mall in 25 Precinct -- all of Precinct 1. 2-9-15 42 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 2 MS. ALFORD: All of 2 would be out at the Hill 3 Country Youth Event Center, and then 3 would be at the 4 Cailloux Theater, and then all of 4 would be at our Ingram 5 office in Ingram. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I just want to say I agree 8 with everything. I believe it should be four precincts. And 9 I'm like Commissioner 1; we've talked about this a lot, and I 10 think it's time for it to get out there, and let's see what 11 the voters have to say. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I agree with that. I think 14 it's -- it's a lot of money. It's a big project, and 15 there's -- there are consequences either way. If it's done, 16 there's going to be consequences. If it's not done, there's 17 going to be consequences, and I think the public needs -- we 18 need to have a good discussion in their forum, and the public 19 making a decision, because it's not a -- we don't do it and 20 everything is hunky-dory. If we don't do it, we have a lot 21 of other issues, and it'll probably require some tax 22 increases to be able to accommodate those as well. So, it's 23 over how the public wants to proceed. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we're unanimous on it 25 being a bond election, because there's a lot of interest by 2-9-15 43 1 the public from around the county on that. I think the 2 Sheriff did a good job last Commissioners Court presenting 3 some of the things, and I believe some town hall-type 4 meetings are planned for further education to inform the 5 public. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes, there's -- we currently 7 are planning several town hall-type meetings and several 8 meetings at different organizations. We've received bids 9 that we paid for out of our donations account for mail-outs 10 to all the people that voted in the last general election, 11 and the number of thousands of brochures just to be put out 12 at different businesses that are really more just an 13 information. It doesn't say yea or nay; it says these are 14 the issues we're facing. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Let the public decide. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I got to tell you, this is 19 an easy decision for me. I look at this thing as -- as do I 20 want bad people running around my neighborhood, or do I want 21 them locked up? You know, it's -- I mean, I want to get down 22 the road with this. I think it's very, very, very important. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion 24 of any kind? There being none, this motion is to authorize 25 the calling of a bond election, and with the changes in the 2-9-15 44 1 order that we've just discussed. 2 MS. ALFORD: And with the location -- reducing it 3 to four voting locations, with the four voting locations as 4 discussed? Is that -- 5 MS. HARGIS: That's correct. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Do you have to state the 8 amount of the bond election? Or just a -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's in the order. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: It's in the order. All right, 11 those in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 12 hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 14 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 15 1.13; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 16 accept the resignation of Jennifer Favour from the Motor 17 Vehicle Department effective February 20th, 2015, and request 18 the Court to allow Diane Bolin to hire for the budgeted 19 position. Yes, ma'am? 20 MS. GUARDIOLA: We have one of our motor vehicle 21 clerks that has put in her letter of resignation, and we 22 would like to fill that position as soon as possible. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: With a comment as well, Judge. 2-9-15 45 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not sure that the Court 3 accepts the resignation of -- of this position. I mean, I 4 think -- I mean, my motion is really to authorize the hiring 5 of a budgeted -- of Diane to fill that position. That's a 6 budgeted slot. It's not the resignation portion. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 9 being none, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising 10 your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Its 4-0, unanimous. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good job, Cindy. 14 MS. GUARDIOLA: Thank you, sir. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.14; consider, discuss, and take 16 appropriate action regarding approving environmental 17 impairment liability coverage to be renewed on February 23rd, 18 2015, for the amount of $7,081.43 for a three-year term under 19 current terms with the Texas Association of Counties, J.T. -- 20 J.I., maybe -- Company, and have County Judge to sign same. 21 Dawn Lantz. 22 MS. LANTZ: Good morning. This is just our 23 standard environmental impairment liability coverage that we 24 have to cover the number of our locations that have fuel 25 storage tanks. And this renews every three years. The 2-9-15 46 1 carrier we had prior to this one is no longer going to be 2 issuing coverage, so we had to seek coverage with a new 3 carrier. The contract was sent to the County Attorney's 4 office for review, as well as the Auditor is familiar with 5 this as well. And this money is budgeted to pay this 6 premium. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where all do we have these? 8 Road and Bridge, and where else? 9 MS. LANTZ: Road and Bridge locations on the -- in 10 Precinct 4, and then our main yard. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And is the airport covered 12 under the airport -- 13 MS. HARGIS: We don't have any fuel at the airport. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Huh? 15 MS. HARGIS: We don't have fuel at the airport; it 16 doesn't belong to us. 17 MS. BAILEY: Joey has fuel. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Joey has. 19 MS. LANTZ: Those are the only two. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's covered probably under 21 something else at the airport. 22 MS. BAILEY: It's under his coverage. 23 MS. HARGIS: It's under his coverage. He's the 24 owner. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, he's the owner. I got 2-9-15 47 1 you. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And so this J.I. Company is 3 the new company? 4 MS. LANTZ: No. Actually, they do all the 5 underwriting for TAC. They're the administrators for our 6 policies under Texas Association of Counties. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: But it's budgeted. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The carrier is Freberg? 10 MS. LANTZ: Yes. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Is this an increase over the other 12 carrier's charges? 13 MS. LANTZ: No, sir. I believe the Auditor and I 14 looked it up, and it's the exact same amount, so luckily we 15 didn't get an increase. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 17 If not, those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 18 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Item 1.15; 20 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to approve the 21 job description for the Assistant Emergency Management 22 Coordinator. Sheriff Hierholzer. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: As you remember, we brought 24 this few a weeks ago, and after many meetings with 25 Commissioner Moser, and I think the Judge was even there and 2-9-15 48 1 myself, and the Mayor and City Manager. Under the emergency 2 management system that Kerr County -- the joint one, Kerr 3 County, City of Kerrville, Ingram, all have together, back 4 when that was created in 1983, the City of Kerrville 5 appointed the Emergency Management Coordinator, and Kerr 6 County appointed the Assistant Emergency Management 7 Coordinator, okay, both -- for both those people to work 8 jointly together on the emergency management system for Kerr 9 County. And what we've all kind of agreed on is to go back 10 to that system. Evidently, Kerr County had not kind of 11 carried its weight back then, 'cause after the one original 12 one left, Kerr County never really went back and reappointed, 13 and the City of Kerrville kind of just took over the whole 14 thing. 15 So, what we have come up with, the current 16 Emergency Management Coordinator, Tony Lenard with the City 17 of Kerrville at the fire department, has done an excellent 18 job so far. He's working real hard to get the plan redone, 19 and we even have meetings coming up this week about it, and 20 get all the annexes updated. But in fulfilling our part, I 21 think we need to come up with a job description, and we need 22 to do -- and this Court asked to come up with a job 23 description for the Assistant Emergency Management 24 Coordinator, and get that part going so that we are also 25 assisting in that whole plan, and will help out a lot more 2-9-15 49 1 with the county issues, compared with the city issues. So, 2 Tony Lenard and my chief deputy and Dawn -- and we got 3 examples from all over the state, different ones. Tony and 4 my chief sat down and went over them. They came up with what 5 you have for the Assistant Emergency Management Coordinator. 6 We have not put a salary in the pay grade. I would 7 recommend at this time that it would be equivalent -- 'cause 8 this is just a part-time position with a maximum scheduled 9 hours of 20 hours a week, and at the same as a starting 10 deputy pay grade, which is -- in our step and grade, is the 11 21.5 step and grade. And if we did that, and if they were 12 hired immediately, Dawn has figured up about how long -- how 13 much it would take; 16 more pay periods after today, which 14 would be a total of about $14,449.60 for the remainder of 15 this fiscal year. And I know -- and the Auditor would have 16 to tell us where the -- the City -- the County's agreement 17 with the City back then was 9,000 a year, okay, is what the 18 City was -- the County was putting in towards the emergency 19 management system. I don't know where that 9,000 is. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think it was 9,600. 21 MS. HARGIS: We haven't paid that since 2005. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: So if -- 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Is it budgeted? 25 MS. HARGIS: No. 2-9-15 50 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Now, all I have to say is I do 2 not have that amount in my budget. We have had some -- some 3 department openings, whether it be deputies or jail or 4 dispatch, so there's always funding left over at the end of 5 the budget year out of salary line items of all my -- my 6 departments. But I could not tell you how much that's going 7 to be, okay, or where we'll end up. And, of course, this 8 Court's been famous for, towards the end of the year, when I 9 have things -- or amount left over in those budget lines, 10 they kind of get sucked out of there for other purposes 11 anyhow, so I don't know what you want to do. But that would 12 be my recommendation, if we're going to do this, that we 13 start it at that 21.5 salary, we start it as a part-time 14 position. I think it is a crucial time, since Tony is trying 15 to get all the -- the plan redone and annexes redone. I 16 think it's -- it needs to be done. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tony who? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Lenard, with the city. 19 MR. BOLLIER: I think that's him. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Tony's here. That's Tony. 21 Tony, come on up. You stepped in at just the right time; I'm 22 going to put you on the spot. He doesn't even know it. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me say something, if I 24 may, just to ride on what the Sheriff has said here. We've 25 had -- as the Sheriff said, we've had several meetings 2-9-15 51 1 with -- with Danny Smith and Tony and City of Ingram and the 2 Mayor, City Manager and so forth, and Judge and myself, and 3 the Sheriff. And we began that back in November, and I think 4 we all agreed that there were improvements that needed to be 5 made. I think improvements are already starting to be made 6 by Tony and company. I believe, if I'm not mistaken, Mayor, 7 that the City has established a position for the Emergency 8 Management Coordinator for the city; is that correct? 9 MAYOR PRATT: That's correct. Tony Lenard is the 10 person. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So I don't know if it's 12 by name or by position or whatever it is, okay. And -- and I 13 think that recognizing this and recognizing that this 14 community has a higher risk of an emergency now probably than 15 we've had in many years, with fire with flood, with 16 terrorists and so forth, that we -- the city and the 17 county -- both cities and the county need to update this -- 18 this document. I think this is a way to do it. The only 19 thing that I would say, Sheriff, on what you said, is I think 20 we should establish the position of County Emergency 21 Management Coordinator, then reflect in the plan, okay -- in 22 the emergency management plan, if the lead is the City, and 23 -- and the assistant is the County Emergency Management 24 Coordinator, delineate it there. But I think we in the 25 county need to have a position that's called "Emergency 2-9-15 52 1 Management Coordinator" for things outside of the city, and 2 that's the things we've talked about. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: In responding to that, I have 4 to kind of strongly disagree with you. If we do that, then 5 what you're saying is the County has their own emergency 6 management plan and coordinator. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I didn't say -- 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's what it will be. You 9 can't have two of the same position. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What this -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Let me finish, -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- Commissioner. What this 14 does is -- and the way Tony has done it, and I hope the Fire 15 Chief -- I'd like to introduce him and Tony in just a minute, 16 but this goes back to the original way the plan was set up, 17 and what it was meant to be. In fact, originally, it was set 18 up that the City appointed the coordinator; they approved it 19 at their Council, and the Commissioners approved it at 20 y'all's Commissioners Court meeting. And the County 21 appointed the assistant; we approved it at the Commissioners 22 Court meeting, and the City approved it at City Council 23 meeting. And the way Tony has started already in doing these 24 plans, okay -- and the one we have a meeting over this week 25 is the law enforcement plan. Tony's already rewritten most 2-9-15 53 1 of it, and it does exactly what you're talking about in the 2 plan. 3 If it's law enforcement, and if the emergency is 4 inside the city of Kerrville, the Chief of Police and myself 5 work together, but he's kind of more in charge of it. You 6 might say it's in his jurisdiction. If it occurs outside the 7 city of Kerrville, then I'm kind of more in charge of it, and 8 the Chief is kind of assisting me, okay? And that's the way 9 Tony -- and I'm not trying to misquote -- speak about this. 10 That's the way this entire plan is drawn up. The -- the 11 assistant, the one the County has, and you also have to 12 think -- go back to basics. The Emergency Management 13 Coordinator's position, or the assistant, their position is 14 to coordinate the resources. They're not incident 15 commanders. If that incident is in Center Point, there's an 16 incident commander that will be with the county or whoever 17 that's in charge of that incident. These people coordinate 18 the resources. If we need equipment from the State or from 19 different agencies, or making sure we have all the -- the 20 mutual aid agreements in place and -- and where we can get 21 all these, they are the one person they can go to to start 22 gathering that stuff and making sure that we get everything 23 we need for that emergency situation as quickly as possible. 24 That's what this is about, okay. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Two separate things. 2-9-15 54 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They're two -- incident 2 commander and emergency management -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: May I finish? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- are two separate things, 5 but we do -- well, I'm going to strongly tell you, we cannot 6 have two coordinators. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: May I finish? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Two separate things. 10 Emergency management plan is one thing, and we all agree that 11 that needs to be redone, okay? The Emergency Management 12 Coordinator is delineated in the plan. That Emergency 13 Management Coordinator can be the City Emergency Management 14 Coordinator or it can be the County Emergency Management 15 Coordinator. Or it can be -- the County can be the 16 assistant. But the -- but the fact that the County needs to 17 have a position, in my judgment, the County needs to have a 18 position that calls -- that somebody's identified as the 19 Emergency Management Coordinator for the County, period. 20 Now, that can be reflected in the plan as being the 21 assistant. That's fine. The plan gets approved by the City, 22 which right now, we -- you know, we question whether or not 23 it's valid to have what we have. But the -- but Tony, and 24 then whoever it is for the County, is going to bring that 25 plan back to the County for approval, and back to the City 2-9-15 55 1 for approval, and to the City of Ingram for approval. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the plan is a separate 4 entity, and all this -- all I'm talking about is -- 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Where -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- is the slot to fill that. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Where you're -- where you're 8 wrong, this person -- and Tony being one of them, okay? In 9 emergency management, he is not necessarily a City 10 representative. He is not necessarily a County 11 representative. He is the Emergency Management Coordinator 12 for the joint deal through City and County and Ingram. He 13 represents all of them, because if it's something that occurs 14 out in the county, Tony's going to answer directly to the 15 County Judge. If it occurs in the city, he's going to answer 16 primarily to the Mayor, okay? But it's a joint plan. It's 17 not a city versus county or, you know, separate deal. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we all understand 19 that. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: One deal together. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's three entities. It's a 22 plan for three entities. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And this is the way -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The two -- 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- it was set out -- 2-9-15 56 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The two cities and the county. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is the way it was set out 3 to be done in the beginning. I think it's a good plan; I 4 think those two people putting their heads together and 5 working at it together -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I agree. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- is the appropriate way to 8 do it. Instead of sitting here and, you know -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Discussing. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- discussing it back and 11 forth with you, Commissioner. I will say, this is what the 12 people that are doing the job, and that we need doing the 13 job, have come up with, and this would be my recommendation; 14 that the County approve this job description and set it as a 15 part-time position this year, okay, at least through the 16 year. Later on, I think it could be expanded into a 17 full-time position with the county fire marshal included in 18 it. But this year, set it as a part-time position with a 19 normal 20 hours a week max, okay, and at the step and grade 20 of 21.5. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My only -- my only problem -- 22 my only problem is we've got a document here; it's called a 23 position description. The title is "Emergency Management" 24 job description. It shouldn't be "Emergency Management"; it 25 should be "Emergency Management Coordinator" job description, 2-9-15 57 1 first of all. And the other thing is, the position -- the 2 position is for an assistant. To me, that infers that you've 3 got somebody that's the primary person within the county, and 4 you don't. But in the plan, I understand exactly what you're 5 saying. So, we don't have an Emergency Management 6 Coordinator; we have an Assistant Emergency Management 7 Coordinator, -- 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The position -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- so I think that can be 10 important. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Position/class title says, 12 "Assistant Emergency Management Coordinator." Supervisor 13 says, "Emergency Management Coordinator." That you do have. 14 It's a joint plan. It's not the county alone; it's not the 15 city alone. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I got that. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's a -- we're -- we're 18 all -- forget city and forget county. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is one organization, 21 period. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, I agree 100 percent. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't need a county rep; I 24 don't need a city rep. This is a separate organization that 25 is serving the needs of everybody in this county, period. 2-9-15 58 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was the reason for the 2 November 18th meeting. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, we could bring it back to 5 make sure we have one plan, we're on the same wavelength. 6 Well, that's my only -- that's my only concern. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And, real quick, I would 8 like -- 9 MAYOR PRATT: Let me make a comment first, and then 10 you can bring up the Chief. I agree with the Sheriff; there 11 is only one plan. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Agreed. 13 MAYOR PRATT: It covers both, okay? And it doesn't 14 have to go to City Council; it was already approved by City 15 Council. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fine. 17 MAYOR PRATT: That plan is in place. My 18 understanding, it was also approved by the Commissioners 19 Court quite some time ago, so it's one plan. You have an 20 Emergency Management Coordinator and you have an Assistant 21 Management Coordinator under the same plan. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Agreed. I think we're all on 24 the same -- I mean, nobody's in disagreement. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: First, I'd like the other two 2-9-15 59 1 to come up for a minute. Those that have not met our new 2 Fire Chief -- I still say "new" 'cause he hasn't been here 3 that long. Danny Smith. I'd like to introduce Danny. I 4 think he's a great asset to the Kerrville Fire Department. 5 We've already had to work several things together. 6 MR. SMITH: I think so. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And then, of course, Tony 8 Lenard's here. I'll let both of them have their say and get 9 out of the way. 10 MR. SMITH: Good morning. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Good morning. 12 MR. SMITH: It's a pleasure to be with y'all. I 13 think I've had the opportunity to meet with most of you. And 14 I haven't met with you personally, but, you know, I 15 appreciate your comments, Sheriff. It's been great to be 16 here in Kerrville, and certainly enjoyed the opportunities 17 I've had to serve in this community. I don't know what else 18 I could add to the discussion, outside of there is an 19 emergency management plan that's been approved and adopted by 20 the State of Texas that identifies an Emergency Management 21 Coordinator. Just keeping in line with the discussions that 22 we've had, what we've discussed was an Assistant Emergency 23 Management Coordinator; I think the Sheriff is absolutely 24 correct. Although it's not an Emergency Management 25 Coordinator, it's an assistant, these two individuals work 2-9-15 60 1 directly together. But the plan as it's established today, 2 it really puts in place directors. Now, there's three 3 directors: The Mayor of Ingram, the Mayor of the City of 4 Kerrville, and the County Judge. Anything that happens in 5 the county, that Emergency Management Coordinator and 6 Assistant Emergency Management Coordinator, they take 7 directions from the County Judge. Anything that happens in 8 the city of Ingram, that direction comes from the Mayor of 9 Ingram. And, likewise, if it's in the city of Kerrville, 10 then it's the Mayor of Kerrville. 11 So, I don't know what else I can add to it. I 12 think we have a legitimate plan. It's a plan that's been 13 approved and adopted by the State of Texas, very viable plan. 14 It's been updated as it's been required throughout the years. 15 In fact, we're in the process of updating some annexes on it 16 now. Is there an opportunity for us to work it better? I 17 think, absolutely, and I think when you all have a 18 representative in place from the county, Assistant Emergency 19 Management Coordinator, I think the only thing we can do in 20 terms of moving forward and exercising is just going to make 21 it better. I don't see, you know, how we could have two 22 Emergency Management Coordinators. That's not going to be 23 allowed, you know, by the State of Texas, which we're 24 required to have it in place with the plan that we have, you 25 know, for disaster preparedness funding required by state 2-9-15 61 1 law. Those are my comments. Chief Lenard, did you have 2 anything in addition to that? 3 MR. LENARD: No. And I think I know most everybody 4 as far as introductions, but I couldn't add anything to that 5 right now. And with -- saying that Kerr County has an 6 Emergency Management Coordinator right now filed with the 7 State, and that's me. So, we -- we have the system going, 8 and we just -- I just want to move forward and make it work. 9 We've already started with the annex with -- with the Police 10 Chief and the Sheriff, trying to get it -- the input that the 11 County needs to have in these annexes. And as we update each 12 one, as they roll through the updates, I'll get with the 13 same -- do the same thing the next time. Hopefully I have 14 some help, 'cause it is a -- it's a big project. And that's 15 kind of what I was looking for, some -- is that help from an 16 assistant. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, there's no question that 18 help is needed, and I think we all -- the nine of us that met 19 together agreed that our plan was -- had major deficiencies 20 in it. So, I salute you, Tony, for what you're doing, and 21 the Chief in doing that, and I agree. And just to make sure, 22 okay, that we, in fact, do have an emergency management plan, 23 okay, that's reflected in this Court's court orders, I'm 24 going to ask the County Attorney to make sure that -- that 25 what's there has, in fact, been approved by this Court. And 2-9-15 62 1 if it's not, then I'm going to ask that it be brought back to 2 this Court for approval, okay? 3 MR. SMITH: Yeah. Just one final comment on my 4 part. I think the plan that we speak about today is -- it's 5 been adopted by the State of Texas as the emergency 6 management plan for Kerr County. It's a Kerr County 7 emergency management plan clearly outlining responsibilities 8 for three entities, and who has those responsibilities; 9 Ingram, the City of Kerrville, and Kerr County. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 11 MR. SMITH: It's just our hope and desire that, you 12 know, we'll move forward in doing what needs to be done, 13 where we can really make it work together with the City and 14 the County, because the reality of it is, is that if 15 something happens in Kerr County, the City's probably going 16 to need the County. The County's probably going to need the 17 City. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No question. 19 MR. SMITH: So, you know, if we can press forward 20 to make it work together, I think we'll -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the thing -- that was 22 the thing that was a major deficiency; the plan did not 23 utilize the resources of the County. It never mentioned 24 justices of the peace, it never mentioned constables, it 25 didn't do any of that thing. 2-9-15 63 1 MR. SMITH: Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So there is a -- there's -- so 3 there's a great need to update the -- 4 MR. LENARD: Commissioner, I have more than this, 5 trust me. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My question to you is, when do 7 you plan on -- what's the schedule for updating the plan? 8 MR. SMITH: We've -- the plan is current as it is. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's the schedule for 10 updating? 11 MR. SMITH: I'm answering your question. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 MR. SMITH: The plan is current as it is. Every 14 annex that's been due to be updated, it's been updated in a 15 timely fashion. We can provide you the documentation to show 16 you that that has happened. There's nothing that's outdated 17 within the plan as it stands today. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me be specific. 19 MR. SMITH: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When does the responsibility 21 matrix, which delineates the functions to be performed, and 22 who's primary lead in those -- which does not pick up the 23 resources in the county. Road and Bridge is not even 24 mentioned in there. So, when -- when does that matrix get 25 updated? 2-9-15 64 1 MR. SMITH: I think what you're asking me is a 2 little different question than the first question you asked 3 me. I think what we agreed on in the meeting that we were 4 in -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 6 MR. SMITH: -- you were part of that meeting -- is 7 that once we got this Assistant Emergency Management 8 Coordinator in place, then that person would work with the 9 Emergency Management Coordinator to make whatever changes we 10 deem necessary to the plan. So, I guess the only holdup in 11 it is to make sure that we have the county's person in place, 12 and then that person can work with the coordinator, and we 13 can make the adjustments that we think we need to make to it, 14 to where it's viable and acceptable. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. And should that plan 16 have to come back to court for approval, according -- if the 17 County Attorney so deems, then -- then I would expect to see 18 that -- 19 MR. SMITH: I think -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- that responsibility matrix 21 updated. 22 MR. SMITH: I think if you make changes, you will 23 probably want to bring it back to the County -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I think -- 25 MR. SMITH: -- to approve, because you have a 2-9-15 65 1 changed plan. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, okay. Good enough. 3 MR. LENARD: And I'll add a little bit to that. 4 We're in the process of upgrading the law enforcement annex 5 right now. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 7 MR. LENARD: And so that'll be -- that will reflect 8 the changes that the -- the Police Chiefs and the Sheriff 9 want in that annex. I'm just coordinating that meeting. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. Good. 11 MR. LENARD: They're going to come up with their 12 own annex for law enforcement, and I'm just providing the -- 13 the avenue -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 MR. LENARD: -- to get that done. And once those 16 -- those two agree on that -- three agree on that, then we'll 17 move forward, and now it becomes a procedural issue with the 18 law enforcement annex. Before I send it back to the State 19 for approval, the different bodies have to approve it. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, okay. 21 MR. LENARD: If y'all have to bring it before the 22 Court, that's fine. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me say the bottom -- 24 bottom line on all this, okay? From my perspective, the 25 bottom line is, this is a great step forward, and I commend 2-9-15 66 1 the City -- both Cities and the County for doing this, 2 because this is just the perfect example of how we've come 3 together as a unit and made something better for all the 4 citizens. So, that's the bottom line. Whether it's 5 assistant or whatever, that's -- that's tertiary. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: What we're trying to do with 7 this, and I think the Chief and Tony will agree, Tony and I 8 have had several conversations about it, 'cause once the 9 County has their representative, we're hoping -- and we get 10 all these things updated, is that periodically, every so 11 often, once a quarter or once whatever, these people can 12 come to this Court and let y'all -- the Court know where we 13 stand -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- with preparedness under 16 emergency management, and where we stand on our annexes and 17 all our updates, and do the same thing with the City of 18 Kerrville, so that we actually have -- 'cause there have been 19 problems with it, but that we actually have a true, working 20 City, County, and City of Ingram plan. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can I say something now? 22 MR. SMITH: Just to -- I just want to clarify one 23 thing for Commissioner Moser. You know, if the concern is -- 24 is that the plan doesn't specifically mention Road and Bridge 25 and some of the other departments that you talked about, the 2-9-15 67 1 plan is clear in that if there's a situation or emergency in 2 the city of Kerrville or in the county, that we've got to 3 utilize all resources within this county. Meaning if it's in 4 the city, we've got to go to the County and utilize 5 everything we can -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 7 MR. SMITH: -- before we can get federal resources, 8 and vice-versa. So, it may not mention specific departments 9 like you're talking about, but it's clear that if there's 10 something happening in Kerr County, then we're going to have 11 to utilize everything that's available to us in Kerr County 12 before we can ever go to the State or the federal government. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fantastic. 14 MR. SMITH: Sorry. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a general comment. I just 16 want to thank everyone involved with updating this and going 17 through it in the detail that y'all are right now, 'cause I 18 think it is very important to the County -- I mean, the 19 County, City, everybody. The question I had is specific to 20 two items in the job description. First, supervisor is the 21 Emergency Management Coordinator, and I understand that. But 22 I think it is unusual to have a supervisor not work for the 23 entity where the person is being paid, so my recommendation 24 would be to have Emergency Management Coordinator/County 25 Judge. 2-9-15 68 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because I think there needs to 3 be something -- some -- 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, we've talked about it, 5 and that's kind of the way it is, but I have no problem with 6 that. It would be the Emergency Management Coordinator/ 7 County Judge, 'cause that would be -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That needs to be addressed. 9 And the other comment was, under the essential job duties, 10 unless I missed it, it seems that generally an assistant 11 position, that it should be stated that the assistant fills 12 in in the absence of the Emergency Management Coordinator, 13 clearly, so that if that person that has that authority, or 14 is the Coordinator -- if, for some reason, Tony or whoever 15 the person may be at the time is out of town or something, 16 that -- that the assistant steps in immediately for that 17 position. That's just -- that's the only two comments I 18 have. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good comments. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't have any problem with 21 that. 22 MR. SMITH: We'll take that back to -- to our 23 entity, and -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And one other question. 2-9-15 69 1 MAYOR PRATT: Can I get a clarification on that? 2 I'm not sure I understand you, Commissioner, because the 3 Emergency Management Coordinator is a box by title, not by 4 name. And so is the Assistant Emergency Management 5 Coordinator, is a box by title, not by name. So that Tony 6 Lenard is the Emergency Management Coordinator. If he 7 happens to be on vacation, whoever takes his place in that 8 office will replace him -- his name temporarily in that box. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I disagree, Mayor. I think 10 that that person should be -- the second most knowledgeable 11 person on the plan should be the assistant, and the assistant 12 should fill in in that absence. And as soon as this position 13 is filled, then this person would go back to being assistant. 14 But it seems like if you don't have it that way, it just 15 seems like a problem to me. And, you know, if you -- you 16 know, like if Tony was to retire, as soon as the City fills 17 that slot, well, then that person can be the new Emergency 18 Management Coordinator, but in the interim it would be the 19 assistant. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think what he's talking 21 about, Mayor, is if, say, Tony were off in Hawaii on one of 22 his nice vacations, and we -- we had a serious issue, an 23 emergency management issue that occurred right then, Tony is 24 still the Emergency Management Coordinator, but he's out of 25 pocket, so the assistant would take that position until Tony 2-9-15 70 1 could get back. And I agree with that as far as the way it 2 goes, because if Tony's left his position permanently, then I 3 think the City would appoint another person in that box to be 4 that position. But these are just temporary times that 5 somebody's on vacation or out, and I agree, that should be 6 the assistant. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's very important to 8 delineate that, and I agree with Commissioner Letz, because 9 if Tony's out for whatever reason, it shouldn't be the next 10 person in line in the city organization to be Emergency 11 Management Coordinator. It ought to be the Assistant 12 Emergency Management Coordinator. And we can talk about 13 boxes. This document doesn't talk about anything about boxes 14 in the emergency management plan, so we're -- we're approving 15 a position description here that -- that is not tied to that 16 -- to those boxes. Now, perhaps it should be. I don't have 17 any problem with that. 18 MR. SMITH: Okay. Well, I think this is probably 19 something that we may need to have some more discussion on, 20 because as it stands today, you don't have an Assistant 21 Emergency Management Coordinator. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We will pretty quick. 23 MR. SMITH: Okay. You don't. But if -- I think 24 what's going to have to be satisfied on the City's part is -- 25 is that whoever that assistant is is somebody that can 2-9-15 71 1 actually step in and fill Chief Lenard's shoes when he's out, 2 you know. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that's what the plan -- 4 the plan should delineate. 5 MR. SMITH: I believe the City has somebody that 6 can do that right now, Commissioner Moser. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The plan has got to delineate 8 that, okay? Now, if the plan -- you're going to revise the 9 plan to say that, then it needs to clearly state that the 10 person then in charge is the city person and the Fire 11 Department, and that's not the way we discussed it in our 12 previous meetings. So, you'll have to bring that plan back. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any further 15 discussion? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. So, of course, I think 17 the County -- they may want to discuss that part on theirs. 18 But I still do think that if the Emergency Management 19 Coordinator is out of pocket -- not that the position is 20 open, 'cause that is the city position, but that we can add 21 that if that Emergency Management Coordinator is temporarily 22 unavailable, that the assistant would -- would take -- that 23 would be one of his duties. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you want to add that to 2-9-15 72 1 this, I don't have a problem in adding that, but -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we should add that. 3 One other question on -- on requirements. You said there's 4 no requirement for education, there's no requirement for 5 training. Is that sufficient for such an important position? 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, they're going to be -- 7 this person is going to be vetted by -- by the Emergency 8 Management Coordinator, of course, 'cause they've got to be 9 able to work and get along together, and they've got to have 10 some training to be able to do that. But what that training 11 requires right now, I don't know. You're going to hire the 12 best person for that position, and we'll see where it goes. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I suggest that, you 14 know, you might want to get with Tony and all and see if 15 there's not minimum requirements that we need to have in 16 there. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We will. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right now it says none. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think that's 21 sufficient. I think it -- 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We have to look at where we're 23 going. This is -- this is -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- the first of this position. 2-9-15 73 1 But Tony hasn't -- and all of us have talked about this. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So this is a draft? You're 3 not asking for approval? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes, I am asking for approval. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, then you've got to add 6 that. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. I'm asking for a -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: I hate to bring this up at this 9 point, but as I read it, it's consider, discuss, and take 10 appropriate action to approve a job description. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay? And that's not naming 13 somebody to fill the spot. It's not authorizing the hiring 14 of a person, or -- nor paying a person any certain amount. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's not any of those things. It's 17 just the job description. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Except as part of the job 19 description, on the third line down, you do have a step and 20 grade pay scale that goes in with our job description. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And that's why I'm saying that 23 this step and grade of 21.5 would be the step and grade pay 24 scale that I would think would go along with that position, 25 which is the same as a starting deputy's. 2-9-15 74 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I agree with Commissioner Moser 3 that -- I mean, it seems that there ought to be an education 4 requirement, you know. Even if it says, you know, "as 5 approved by the Emergency Management Coordinator, I mean, it 6 ought to say something. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You have to be careful on what 9 can change. I would rather get this out there and get the 10 best qualified person at this time. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But you got to have some 12 minimum, Sheriff. I mean, you don't just put out job 13 descriptions with no requirements. That -- I don't think 14 that's being responsible. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, let me make a motion 16 here, please. I move that we approve the job description 17 that is enclosed in our packet for the Assistant Emergency 18 Management Coordinator, and include in the pay grade the 19 21.5. Period. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you look at the knowledge, 21 skills, and abilities, right above your requirements, I think 22 both of your questions about the requirements are the 23 knowledge, you know, prerequisites to be answered, 24 Commissioner, if you'll do that. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: And your motion does not include 2-9-15 75 1 anything modifying it as to requirements of education or 2 training, or qualifications for the position? 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. No, actually, it's not. 4 You know, if they want to do that, they need to go back to 5 their little committee and put these things together, and 6 then bring it back and we can amend it at that time. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: See, that's my point. I think 8 maybe it needs to -- we need to study this job description 9 thing more, and maybe include some things about education 10 requirements and these other things that have been talked 11 about. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the fact of -- that, and 14 that as Commissioner Letz says, clearly state in here that 15 should the Emergency Management Coordinator not be available, 16 then this person is -- is the person in charge. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree with all that. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I would like -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question. I need 20 to ask a question, get this over with, and then I'll go back 21 to sleep. Where is this going to show in the budget? This 22 line item, this -- whatever the amount's going to be? 23 MS. HARGIS: We're going to have to create a 24 position. We don't have a line item for it right now. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So there will be a line item 2-9-15 76 1 in our budget? 2 MS. HARGIS: If you amend it, and you -- and you 3 tell me. First I have to find the money. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand. I understand. 5 But, you know, I just want to be careful with that point 6 right there, because we also pay a small amount to the EMS 7 Coordinator for training of the First Responders, and we also 8 pay the medical adviser for EMS, and you can't find that 9 anywhere any more. So, what I'm saying is that when we 10 establish this line item, let it be a real thing, and it's 11 going to be there forever so that the public can see where 12 their money goes. Sometimes we blink and things disappear. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, that's going to require a 14 budget amendment, isn't it? 15 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. And here we are in the 17 middle of a budget year, so I'm not sure how we're going to 18 get this done right away without you looking further and see 19 if there's some way to fund it in the -- in the budget. And 20 you're telling us right now that you don't think it's there; 21 is that correct? 22 MS. HARGIS: I have -- I have to look. I don't 23 know. I can't answer that. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think what you're doing is 25 creating a part-time position that would be under my 2-9-15 77 1 department, but the supervision and responsibilities are 2 answered by the way the position says. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, then, are you going to pay 4 him? 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It would be coming out of my 6 budget, yes, as long as we can get the funding in the budget. 7 That's why I said the rest about the unused amount of funds 8 that we have at the end of the year, but I don't know where 9 it goes. But going back real quick on the -- on that, I 10 think you have to look at -- it says knowledge of the basic 11 ICS/NIMS concepts, knowledge of Kerrville/Ingram/Kerr County 12 emergency management basic plan and annexes, or desire and 13 willingness to learn such policies and procedures through 14 training upon employment. Knowledge and ability to operate 15 radios, telecommunication equipment, knowledge of and ability 16 to operate computers and software programs, ability to 17 operate basic office equipment, ability to maintain 18 professional demeanor in stressful situations, ability to 19 communicate effectively and orally in writing, ability to 20 establish and maintain effective working relationships with 21 employees within the department and other law enforcement 22 officers, inmates, agencies, and general public, good 23 analytical and problem-solving skills, good customer service 24 skills, good interpersonal relation -- or skills, and ability 25 to maintain confidentiality, and ability to maintain good 2-9-15 78 1 physical condition. 2 These are the start of what we want. I don't think 3 you can really set strong -- you know, I have a -- I'm very 4 pro, okay, especially since I have a wife that has two 5 Master's degrees and that, and college degrees, but I'm also 6 very pro in the school of hard knocks, you might call it, the 7 person that actually worked and learned and took all these 8 online courses where they can, NIMS and that. I don't want 9 to strap us down to -- and the public or community may get 10 me, but, you know, some people, you can get a college degree 11 in basket weaving, and go and not have to do half as much to 12 be a law enforcement officer. That's just the way it is, so 13 I don't care for a college idiot to take over this position. 14 I think we need -- we need to have real, live, realtime 15 people that have worked it. We have some people in this 16 county that have that background, okay? Excellent 17 background. And I think we'd be fortunate to get those. But 18 I think this is a developing thing. 19 But for us to get off first base or home plate, you 20 might say, and get this deal going, with the revision and 21 with the upgrading and making the joint plan what it should 22 be, okay, for all of Kerr County, 'cause we've all said that 23 there's been issues where we didn't think the volunteer fire 24 departments had a big enough role in it. They don't have 25 any. They wondered, you know, why -- you know, one of the 2-9-15 79 1 emergency -- past Emergency Management Coordinators said they 2 don't come out in the county; that's not their job. If we 3 needed something, we were to call them. This -- that's 4 changed, thank goodness, with Tony and that, and we're on 5 that road to fixing these issues. But you've got to take 6 that first step and let us get this to fix them. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My feeling is, first, we need 8 to defer this until our next meeting so we get the job 9 description right. But there is a motion on the table. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: There's a motion. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: See if you can get a second. 12 If you can't, let's get out of here. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm waiting for a second. 14 (No response.) 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, there's not one. See 16 y'all. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bring it back. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bring it back, the job 19 description, modify it a little bit. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's have a 10-minute 21 break. 22 (Recess taken from 10:32 a.m. to 10:45 a.m.) 23 - - - - - - - - - - 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's -- our 10-minute 25 recess is over. There's a lady that appeared -- we're back 2-9-15 80 1 in session now after the 10-minute recess, and there's a lady 2 that wasn't here when we called Item 1.5, Ceslie Armstrong, 3 and she's here right now, and came in on bended knee and 4 asked me for permission to speak to the Court, and I told her 5 we would do so. 6 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes, thank you, Judge. And good 7 morning, Commissioners. And I'm sorry, I thought it was -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Give us your address, please. 9 MS. ARMSTRONG: Oh, yes. Ceslie Armstrong, and as 10 of Wednesday I will be at 117 Church Street in Center Point. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: In Center Point. 12 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes, big town of Center Point -- 13 big area of Center Point. Sorry, I didn't realize I was 14 late, so thank you for making the time for me. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: That's all right. You want to use 16 the event center -- Event Hall at the Hill Country Youth 17 Event Center on June 6th at a reduced rate? 18 MS. ARMSTRONG: Well -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: And not coming through the local 20 4-H or F.F.A. 21 MS. ARMSTRONG: No. No. I have recently moved 22 back home a couple of years ago from the -- Fredericksburg, 23 Center Point, San Antonio, Bandera area. Spent the last 25 24 years in New York City -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. 2-9-15 81 1 MS. ARMSTRONG: -- get a rope -- as a broadcast and 2 magazine journalist, and producer of broadcasting in music, 3 which brought me back to the Hill Country and the Austin area 4 quite a lot, and finally was able to move back home after all 5 those years. I currently reside in Bandera County, and am 6 moving to Center Point on Wednesday. Where I'm putting my 7 focus now that I'm able to be back in Texas is on two 8 different areas of philanthropy, which one is cancer 9 research, and I am on the C.T.R.C. Council Executive Board 10 and Board of Trustees at the U.T. Health Science Center. And 11 the other area to focus on is to raise funds for 4-H and 12 F.F.A. participation, and livestock. My family, we had 13 ranches, and even growing up as a kid, and John Marshall High 14 School was part of all that, and I feel like there's a great 15 need, and it teaches our youth so much about life lessons and 16 so many other things. So, just trying to raise some funds 17 for that and do what I know how to do professionally very 18 well, partially, as I mentioned, is producing live music 19 events. 20 And I would like to book the beautiful new space 21 that's there for livestock and the appreciation party for the 22 volunteers this year, and it's just an incredibly beautiful 23 space, and I would like to bring in some Texas and national 24 acts. When I moved back here, I did some fundraisers; 25 brought in Ronnie Milsap, Wade Bowen, Cody Canada, and Stoney 2-9-15 82 1 Larue a couple years ago in Bandera, and did a fundraiser 2 back in October and will be awarding a scholarship of $1,000 3 in April for that. So, have started the livestock buyers' 4 fund. It's currently an L.L.C.; it's not a nonprofit status. 5 However, our accountants and attorneys are in the process 6 of -- of applying for a 501(c)(3). We can't get started 7 quickly, and as you may know, 501(c)(3) does not move 8 quickly. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: That is true. 10 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes. But my pal Roy Thompson is 11 the C.E.O. of Hill Country Bank, which is where the fund is 12 being established. And I'm happy to even publish in the 13 local newspaper, whatever is necessary to show transparency 14 while we're in the interim. So, really, what I'm proposing 15 is just that I want to book -- I just called up to actually 16 say, "Hey, can I give you a deposit, and what dates are 17 available?" I thought it was open to the public to book the 18 space, and then was told that I needed to come to 19 Commissioners Court. And -- and Commissioner Reeves and I 20 had a discussion. So -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's open to the public 22 to rent. The only question I have, if -- what caught my eye 23 is when it says 4-H, and I -- 24 MS. ARMSTRONG: Right. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- and I talked to the County 2-9-15 83 1 Agent, Roy Walston, and he didn't know anything about it. 2 And anything that uses that as part of the project needs to 3 come in through that office to get a blessing from that 4 department, in my opinion. 5 MS. ARMSTRONG: Oh, okay. I wasn't aware of that. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because it's a -- they run the 7 4-H program in the county. They are the 4-H coordinator. 8 MS. ARMSTRONG: Well, the only -- the only 9 participation of 4-H or F.F.A., as I see it, unless -- 10 correct me, is that 100 percent of the profit -- net profits 11 that are generated from the event -- it would be similar 12 to -- like, we were just at the San Antonio Stock Show and 13 Rodeo gala, where it's entertainment and food, and whatever 14 profits goes to the kids' scholarships. So, we would just be 15 making a donation, writing a check. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I guess if it's going to -- 17 if it says 4-H, people in this community think it's a -- 18 MS. ARMSTRONG: It wouldn't -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In this community, the 4-H 20 program locally is involved with it, and they need to be 21 aware, you know, all about it in the 4-H program, to me. 22 MS. ARMSTRONG: And I appreciate that, but we would 23 not be using 4-H or F.F.A. in the marketing of it at all. At 24 all. We would just be writing the check at the end of it, 25 saying, "Here's a donation." 2-9-15 84 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I applaud that sentiment, but 2 I think it comes back down to the absence of a 501(c)(3) 3 nonprofit status at this point. Well, to rent the facility 4 at the going rate in the absence of a nonprofit designation, 5 I don't see how we can reduce it any based on the previous 6 court orders. 7 MS. ARMSTRONG: And I'm not asking for a reduction. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. 9 MS. ARMSTRONG: At all. We're -- as I stated, 10 we're not a -- I mean, I could go rent the Y.O. and do it 11 there, and still write a check to -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 13 MS. ARMSTRONG: It's just such a nice facility, we 14 thought we'd just rent it. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, my problem -- it's not a 16 problem. My question is, in the agenda item, it says reduced 17 rate for a 4-H/F.F.A. fundraiser. 18 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I don't think you should 20 use the -- you can't use that 4-H fundraiser without 4-H 21 being aware of it in Kerr County. 22 MS. ARMSTRONG: I appreciate that. I didn't write 23 that agenda item, so I wasn't aware. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So if we modify the agenda 25 item so that it's not for a reduced rate and it doesn't say 2-9-15 85 1 anything about 4-H, that's -- 2 MS. ARMSTRONG: I just want to rent the space. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then you can rent it. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: She just wants to rent the place, 5 period. 6 MS. ARMSTRONG: That's all I want to do, and at the 7 end of the day, write a check to help kiddoes. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: The standard price. 9 MS. GRINSTEAD: Then you are approving it for a 10 concert, any kind of event. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Any event. 12 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we have requirements 14 from -- based on the population or number of people you're 15 going to have. 16 MS. ARMSTRONG: Sure. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How many sheriff's deputies are 18 there, and -- 19 MS. ARMSTRONG: Sure. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- other things along that 21 line. 22 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yes. And -- and are we -- 23 MS. GRINSTEAD: Yes. 24 MS. ARMSTRONG: Oh, yes. You were very thorough 25 and great in saying, "Here's the requirements for the 2-9-15 86 1 security and what time you have to be out," and all that sort 2 of thing. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's just renting the 4 facility? 5 MS. ARMSTRONG: Yeah. It would just be -- think of 6 it like a wedding reception kind of a scenario, just people 7 at tables eating, and -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Do I hear a motion? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't need a motion. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think we need a 12 motion. She can just rent it. 13 MS. ARMSTRONG: Thank you for your time. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let us know when it's going to 15 be. 16 MS. ARMSTRONG: Well, we have -- I don't want to 17 jinx it, but we have several major artists that are 18 interested in coming that -- we're going to attach a golf 19 tournament to it as well. So, we'll let you know. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Super. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you for your time. 22 MS. ARMSTRONG: Thank you. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Ceslie. 24 MS. ARMSTRONG: Thank you very much, and happy to 25 be in Kerr County. 2-9-15 87 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to Item 1.16; 2 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding 3 opening the bids for naming rights partnership with Kerr 4 County for the Hill Country Youth Event Center. 5 Commissioners Letz and Reeves. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is only on the agenda 7 because we originally said it was going to be opened today. 8 At the last meeting we delayed that, so there's no action 9 required. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. We'll go on to 1.17; 11 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding 12 Center Point Lions Park improvements. Commissioner Moser. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. Thank you, Judge. 14 At the last Commissioners Court and some of the previous 15 ones, we've looked at the, quote, master plan that we had for 16 Center Point that Tom Collins laid out, which included a 17 number of things; volleyball, horseshoe pitching, clearing up 18 some wooded areas, improving the boat ramp which T.A.C. said 19 we need to fix 'cause it's a hazard. And we've implemented 20 some of the things, I think to the tune of about $10,000 that 21 we've spent to-date on boulders and placing them around. And 22 what this is is picking up on what you, Judge, suggested -- 23 or referred to last time, is the way they improved Louise B. 24 Hays Park with the city-wide function, okay, where everybody 25 came in and did it. I thought that was a good idea. I met 2-9-15 88 1 with about 12 different people from the Center Point area, 2 including Road and Bridge and Tim, and we talked about that 3 concept. Well, that concept got a lot of enthusiasm. People 4 were excited about doing that. 5 Since then, we've reached out to people in the 6 community, the superintendent of the schools, the Lions Club 7 and all, and they would like to have a -- an all-hands, 8 people come out with their shovels and gloves and make these 9 improvements, okay? And the things that we've talked about 10 at our little kickoff meeting was to construct a volleyball 11 court, which is pretty simple; just excavate an area where 12 you can put a couple of feet of sand in, and put the 13 volleyball nets and so forth in, and that would be primarily 14 with -- you know, with a lot of labor from the community. 15 The other thing is a horseshoe pitching area, and then clear 16 a wooded area with people, you know, with their chainsaws and 17 so forth, and then construct the landscape area. And the 18 sixth thing would be to preclude the use -- put barriers. 19 Right now we have a pretty dangerous boat ramp that, at the 20 end of it, it drops straight off, and several people have -- 21 have stepped off into that thing and gone up to their -- 22 almost to their neck in water. So, we need to make that a 23 little bit safer, according to T.A.C. and our insurance. 24 So, what I would like to do is to request the 25 funds, make a motion that we -- and we set March the 7th as 2-9-15 89 1 the date -- tentative date to have this. It's a Saturday. 2 Have all hands in Center Point come out and do this. I think 3 we'll have several hundred people which would show up; we can 4 do it pretty quickly. But we need to authorize Road and 5 Bridge to do an excavation of about 50 foot by 80 foot by 6 2 feet deep, an area; take that material, in concert and 7 approval of the floodplain administrator, and make a 8 landscape area, which the garden club would outfit with -- 9 would landscape it, and then to purchase the sand, which is 10 probably going to be -- all of this would probably be in the 11 neighborhood of -- of about $8,000 for the sand. And 12 that's -- that's the sand that won't compact and sand that 13 stays loose. And -- but not put any barriers around the edge 14 of the pit. So, that's what I would like to -- I make a 15 motion that we approve, out of the Certificate of Obligation, 16 an additional $8,000 for materials so that we can have a 17 community project, and take one more step in improving Center 18 Point Park. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, we agreed the 20 last time that we're not doing anything with parks until we 21 had a workshop and meeting on parks, I thought. I mean, 22 that's what I recall out of it last meeting. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, we can do that. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought that -- didn't we -- 25 I thought we set a time for that to be -- 2-9-15 90 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We didn't set a time. We just 2 said we ought to look at it across the board, at the fencing 3 around River Star and some things at Flat Rock Park. Yeah, 4 and we did -- we did say that. But this had some -- this had 5 some interest and some momentum in trying to get things done 6 for spring. I thought that this was a -- this is a way that 7 the County could leverage some resources, and could get the 8 community involved in just keeping the momentum going on that 9 park, which is -- which has been favorably seen, so that's 10 what it is. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Commissioner, I'm not going 12 to vote for more funds to go down there. I think we need to 13 take a look at the whole thing and see where the -- you know, 14 the fair share around the county. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, you might eventually -- after 16 a workshop, you might -- you might authorize additional funds 17 there, but after we study everything from all the -- what the 18 other Commissioners -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's very doubtful that I 20 will vote for that, but -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Because of -- you know, 23 you've paraded people through here that says we've never 24 participated in that. My god, we've spent a lot of money 25 down there in the last five or six years. The Tejano king -- 2-9-15 91 1 what's his name? -- used to come up and jump up and down in 2 here. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Gonzales. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Gonzales. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I don't think we've 6 spent very much money. The $10,000 we've spent has probably 7 been it. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, you're right. I mean, 9 that's not much, but there are other things throughout the 10 county. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I don't disagree. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's look across the county. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Now, I think the second part of 15 that was the volunteers from the community helping. I have 16 mixed feelings on that. I think it's great, but I think 17 there needs to be some -- you know, the day when Tom went and 18 did it, not that I want to talk about your age, but that was 19 probably 50, 60 years ago. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It was, I think, 1955. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: So that's how long ago. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the society's become a 24 little bit more litigious around things like that, so I think 25 we need -- the County Attorney needs to look at if we have 2-9-15 92 1 somebody out there doing stuff -- I'm sure there's a way to 2 do it, but it needs to be done to some -- we don't want just 3 people just throwing things out there on any county property 4 without having a very specific plan. Clearing the brush, 5 what brush? I saw an e-mail somewhere about we don't want to 6 cut down all the trees, we only need to cut down this tree. 7 And, you know, it's just -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I didn't want to go into this, 9 but here's what we did at our meeting the other day. We 10 addressed some of the things you're talking about. Present 11 the plan to the Court, have a work day established, determine 12 the liability of the volunteer workers, determine the limit 13 of liability for people using the park, prepare a detailed 14 work plan for each one of the improvements, you know, what 15 we're going to cut down where, how we're going to clip the 16 stuff, prepare a list of work tools, mark the areas for 17 improvement, coordinate with the floodplain coordinator, 18 solicit volunteers, solicit support from the school, 19 determine types of sand. And so we have -- we had -- we have 20 a -- you know, and we've got somebody assigned to each one of 21 those things, so we weren't doing it haphazardly. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I think the -- the time for 23 the workshop I thought was going to be March or April. I 24 thought it would be what we talked about, well before budget, 25 so that we could get, you know, planning. So, I think -- you 2-9-15 93 1 know, I mean -- 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I understand we start budget 3 in March. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Start considering it. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think, time-wise, they can 7 still work together, and I have no problem with citizens 8 working. I'm just going back in my memory when we talked to 9 the soccer person on the dog park; we said that you can't 10 change anything. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I think we need to be very 13 careful in turning anyone loose on our parks and start doing 14 something without having it very specific as to what needs to 15 be done. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree with that. Need to 17 have a specific area to be done, marked out, and say exactly 18 what it's going to be, and I think we've got that. But let's 19 do that. Why don't we set -- I don't know if we can do it 20 under this agenda item, set a workshop. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can't under the agenda item, 22 but the Judge -- we can just set one. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can do it at a workshop 2-9-15 94 1 without an agenda item. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: So try to set one up, Jody, in the 4 next, say, three weeks? 5 MS. GRINSTEAD: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That'd be great. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do it after one of our 8 Commissioners Courts; just do it at 1:30 or 1 o'clock on some 9 Monday. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's good. Next one, 11 perhaps. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Which should be the -- what, 28th? 13 MS. GRINSTEAD: 23rd. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 23rd? Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have no problem with that. I 16 just want to make sure we have enough time to really look at 17 -- I know we need some things at Flat Rock, but we can try 18 for that date. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 MR. BOLLIER: You know, I'm pretty excited about 21 doing things in these parks, but I'm also -- I also want to 22 see that we are doing something down at Flat Rock, too. 23 There are a lot of people down there, and I think that we 24 need to -- you know, I'm on board with Commissioner Moser. 25 I think that things should be done in these parks so people 2-9-15 95 1 will be proud to use those parks. But, like, down at Flat 2 Rock, we need to do something down there, too. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, absolutely. 4 MR. BOLLIER: I don't know what -- what we have in 5 store down there, or what kind of money we have to do those 6 things in, but I think there should be some things down at 7 Flat Rock, too. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the other thing we need 9 to discuss further in the workshop is we -- and I'll pick the 10 volleyball thing. If we build a volleyball -- sand 11 volleyball court down there, we each go in there, or we 12 expect Maintenance to go down there and spray herbicide. As 13 soon as we -- as soon as we do any improvement at any park, 14 we're adding maintenance. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, and I think with 16 anything -- as a matter of fact, Commissioner Reeves and I -- 17 Commissioner Reeves and I had a meeting the other day with a 18 person that has a program to look at maintenance of all 19 facilities, and that's probably something that we -- we need 20 to discuss at some future Commissioners Court, on doing that 21 exactly. No matter what our capital improvements are, we 22 need to look at the long range effect; I agree with you 100 23 percent. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How about your motion? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I don't have to have a 2-9-15 96 1 motion now. We're just going to pass on that till the 2 workshop. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Withdrawing the motion, then? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, right. Right. Yeah, 5 till the workshop. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You had one. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. I'll withdraw it. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, motion is withdrawn. Let's 9 go on to item -- did you still want to say something? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, I don't know if this 11 would be the right time, with the motion withdrawn, but other 12 funding is what I'm concerned about, in that C.O. Because we 13 did have some meeting on the progress of the radio system and 14 the structural analysis for the towers that we use, and the 15 tower at Mountain Home has failed their structural analysis. 16 It's a little bit different when you go to put public safety 17 equipment on a tower than when you put regular cell phone 18 equipment. The F.C.C. requires different levels of 19 structural analysis for that, so there's some remediation 20 that has to go into finding out, okay, what it's going to 21 take, 'cause this is a tower we pretty well have to have for 22 our radio system, okay? All the other ones are moving along 23 well. I did authorize it out of seizure fund or donation 24 account, the expenditure of $5,000 Friday, to get the 25 engineering part of what is it going to take to correct that 2-9-15 97 1 tower? What's it -- because what we're going to end up with 2 is -- it's not really the -- some of it can be the tower 3 owner, and we're going to have to negotiate the tower owner's 4 responsibility, but also it's the F.C.C. requires it 5 different for public safety equipment on it. So, the tower 6 owner can just say, you know, we're just going to have, you 7 know, cell phone stuff on there and not public safety stuff, 8 and so whose responsibility? And I think Motorola is not; it 9 is going to fall back on the County. I don't have any idea 10 at this point what that cost could be. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Who owns that tower? 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That tower is owned by -- was 13 it Five Star? 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: West Central. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: West Central owns that tower. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And that's out there by the 17 Black Bull? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. Right. So that's in 19 the process; within the next week or two, a couple of weeks, 20 we'll know. But before we go to spending a whole bunch -- or 21 the rest of the money out of that C.O., since the radio 22 system was one, there does appear that there's going to be 23 some unforeseen costs that -- 24 JUDGE POLLARD: You got any feel for about how 25 much? 2-9-15 98 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It just depends. They told 2 me, you know, some of it may just be the top guide wires 3 aren't quite strong enough, okay, for -- for the type of 4 weight that's going to go on there. And that's just a -- 5 they say an easy fix. It may just be the buckling system for 6 that guide wire, or it could be different parts of the -- the 7 points on there, which could be very expensive. It can be 8 anywhere from very inexpensive to very expensive. I just 9 don't know at this point, and won't until that comes in. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's the tower provider? 11 The tower owner's going to make that assessment? 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, there's another company 13 that has to come in and make that assessment. They're the 14 ones that do the structural analysis. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: And the F.C.C. has to approve it? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They've already made the 17 structural analysis. It has been done, okay, and it failed. 18 All right? Two of them failed. The one at Grenada failed, 19 but L.C.R.A. is already doing that remediation on their own; 20 they knew that. And the one at Mountain Home failed, okay. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I didn't hear, Commissioner 22 Baldwin. Did you say this is the one on 41 -- 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- out there? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Black Bull. 2-9-15 99 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. I didn't hear. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And it's fine for other stuff, 3 but it failed for public safety, and that's different. So, 4 we just -- you have to look at it; it's just something -- 5 before we start divvying up what's left out of those C.O.'s, 6 and getting into a money issue, I just want the Court to be 7 aware of that, until I can get more facts and figures to the 8 Court. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, thank you. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You're a troublemaker, 12 aren't you? 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Always. That's what my mom 14 and daddy said, too. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.18; consider, discuss, and 16 take appropriate action regarding time and use regulations 17 for county parks. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Judge, I'm going to recommend 19 we pass on this and make this part of the discussion for the 20 county parks. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Good idea. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'll have that workshop. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Good idea. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Everybody agree? All right. We'll 2-9-15 100 1 go to 1.19; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action 2 regarding placing a recycle bin in Center Point. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We can pass on that, 'cause 4 we've already discussed it. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Item 1.20; consider, 6 discuss, and take appropriate action to terminate contract 7 with Omni Elevator, parentheses, Schindler Elevator, end 8 parentheses, for elevator services in Kerr County Courthouse 9 effective June 1, 2015. Mr. Tim Bollier. 10 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. You might want to read 21 11 along with that, Judge. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: One point -- 13 MR. BOLLIER: Item 21. You might want to read that 14 along with it. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Consider, discuss, and 16 take appropriate action to approve contract with -- is that 17 Thyssen -- 18 MR. BOLLIER: Thyssen Krupp. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Thyssen Krupp Elevator, to service 20 both elevators in the Kerr County Courthouse, and allow 21 County Judge to sign same, contract to become effective 22 beginning June 1, 2015. Mr. Bollier. Go ahead. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. As it stands right now, I 24 have two different elevator people coming -- coming and doing 25 elevator maintenance. One of them is Thyssen Krupp that does 2-9-15 101 1 the elevator here, here in the lobby. And then I have 2 Omni/Schindler, same company, that do the one over in the 3 sallyport that they bring the inmates up and down here. 4 Well, what I'm trying to do here is, Schindler, I never see 5 them. And this contract we've had with them since 1989, so I 6 want to -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Does that mean they never come up 8 and do anything? Or does that mean -- 9 MR. BOLLIER: I never see them. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: -- you're never around when they're 11 here? 12 MR. BOLLIER: I'm never around when they're here. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do they sign the certificate? 15 MR. BOLLIER: They sign the little thing, but I've 16 never seen them. And I see Thyssen Krupp when they come, and 17 they do a really good job. And my other thing is, when I 18 have an elevator inspection, instead of dealing with one, I'm 19 dealing with two. If I -- I'm dealing with two companies, 20 one -- one inspection guy, so I'm dealing with three 21 different people. So, if I put all this together under 22 Thyssen Krupp, I can deal with one company, and I'm saving -- 23 right now, I'm paying almost -- it's $299.99 a month. 24 They're going to do this for me for $250 an elevator, so 25 we're actually saving $100. But I got the contract. I give 2-9-15 102 1 it to Ilse, and she -- our County Attorney. She has one 2 problem with the -- with the contract. The contract states 3 that when we go in the contract with them, it's a 60-month 4 contract that we can't get out of it, and we don't want to do 5 that. So, I've got to call them and see if we can change 6 that, per -- per our County Attorney. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about the Omni Elevator 8 contract? Can you -- can we get out of that? 9 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, on June the 1st. That's 10 what we're saying, June the 1st. We will send them a letter 11 stating that we are terminating our contract with them 12 beginning June the 1st. That's what the contract calls for. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. And then -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: So it automatically renews June 1st 15 unless we give them a notice of cancellation, a notice of 16 termination? 17 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And then what about the 20 other one, now? What is -- that ties us in for how long? 21 MR. BOLLIER: Thyssen Krupp. Well, that's what we 22 want to change, that in the new contract it states 60 months, 23 where we -- that we can't -- 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Can't go that long. 25 MR. BOLLIER: We can't -- where we can -- where we 2-9-15 103 1 can't terminate them until after 60 months. Well, we don't 2 want that. We want to fix that to where it's like a one-year 3 contract, maybe a two, no more than three, something like 4 that. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Maybe we shouldn't do 6 anything until we get that agreement. 7 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. I can bring it back. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Pass on 20 and 21. 9 MR. BOLLIER: Yeah, I can bring it back next -- 10 next court. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.22; consider, 12 discuss, and take appropriate action on accepting annual 13 report to Commissioners Court and audit of Kerr County 14 Emergency Services District Number 2. Commissioner Reeves. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Just a formality, gentlemen. 16 The Auditor's office has performed an audit that's not an 17 audit -- is that a good way to put it, Ms. Hargis? Because 18 of certain -- 19 MS. HARGIS: Because of my certificate. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- requirements from her. 21 But, nonetheless, she did not find any discrepancies with the 22 books and the finances of Emergency Services District Number 23 2, which is Mountain Home Volunteer Fire Department. The 24 board at the ESD thanks the Auditor's office for their help, 25 and I move to accept it. 2-9-15 104 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that we 3 accept the annual audit report for Kerr County Emergency 4 Services District Number 2. Any further discussion? If 5 there's none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 6 hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 1.23; 9 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action regarding 10 pending litigation. Ilse Bailey had to leave; she had to be 11 out at the State Hospital by 11 o'clock. I don't know that 12 we have anything to discuss. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We do on one of them. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Huh? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We do on one of them. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, you will be doing one of them? 17 Okay. Then we need to go into executive session. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can finish up everything 19 else first. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 1.24 and 1.25. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Oh, yeah, 1.24 and 22 1.25. Consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 23 approve Change Order Number 5; this includes Change Proposals 24 22, 23, 24, and 25, for the Event Hall at the Hill Country 25 Youth Event Center. Commissioners Letz and Reeves. 2-9-15 105 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I believe this is just the 2 formal signing off of what we approved at the last meeting. 3 Mr. Hastings, there was some gutters and a couple of items 4 that you had exercised your authority to approve; is that 5 correct? 6 MR. HASTINGS: That's correct. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So this is just the formal 8 accepting what was done? 9 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay, we've already approved 11 that. Motion to approve. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there any further discussion? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question. The -- 15 the documents here looks like these are real, live 16 signatures. Are -- did they sign all of them? 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Must have. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Mine looks like the 19 original. We're going to have to hire a lawyer to figure 20 this out; this is just too big of a deal. Judge, is that a 21 "signature" signature? Or is that -- what? 22 MS. GRINSTEAD: All those change proposals have 23 been approved individually. This just lumps them together. 24 That's how they've done it; we've done change proposals. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 2-9-15 106 1 MS. GRINSTEAD: And then they'll lump it into one 2 change proposal. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Copy machines are so good right 4 now -- 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I know. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: But I -- I signed it. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is probably -- yeah, this 8 is the official change order that approves the stuff we've 9 already approved. Don't ask me to explain that again, 10 please. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, can I sell it to y'all 12 or anything? Can I make any money out of this deal? 13 JUDGE POLLARD: No, I think the laws prohibits 14 that. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Dang. Well, I've got Gary 16 Hatch's autograph, then. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, he can sign -- yeah, 18 either way. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I can sign it. I guess I need 20 that. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you want this? Do you 22 want that document? 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that the original? 24 MS. GRINSTEAD: You should have it in your book. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: I probably got it right here. 2-9-15 107 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, all right. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You can frame that and keep 4 it. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We want to approve 6 that? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. Motion and second 8 already. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those in favor of the 10 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 1.25; 13 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to approve 14 application and certificate for payment, Application Number 9 15 for the Event Hall at Hill Country Youth Event Center. 16 Commissioners Letz and Reeves. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This is, I believe, the final 18 payment for the Event Hall. Need to approve the payment of 19 it, $84,011. 20 MS. HARGIS: It's in the discretion -- 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Right, but it was on the 22 agenda to approve application and certificate of payment, so 23 I move to approve. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that a motion? 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, I move to approve. 2-9-15 108 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Any 4 further discussion? If not, those in favor, signify by 5 raising your right hand. 6 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 7 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 8 Now let's go to paying the bills, et cetera, et cetera. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we pay our bills. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wish I had them. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? If not, 13 those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Were there 16 any budget amendments? 17 MS. HARGIS: Yes, sir. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 19 MS. HARGIS: I think you have a copy of these. All 20 of you should have a copy of them. We are basically trying 21 to make some of these group insurance line items whole, after 22 we started, that didn't have enough money in them, because we 23 didn't know how much -- what their adoption of -- whether it 24 would be a family or an individual. But we only set up for 25 individuals when we start. 2-9-15 109 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Are there any questions by 2 the Commissioners about it? If not, is there a motion? 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So moved. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 6 the budget amendments as proposed be approved. Any further 7 discussion? There being none, those in favor, signify by 8 raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 10 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Late bills? 11 MS. HARGIS: Yes. The only late bill we have is 12 Application Number 9 for the -- the final retainage on the ag 13 facility. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move to approve. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: So moved? Second? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. Any 18 further discussion? If not, those in favor, signify by 19 raising your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 22 MS. HARGIS: Judge, could we go back to the budget 23 amendments just a moment? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Sure. 25 MS. HARGIS: I think I'm going to have to give 2-9-15 110 1 y'all a list of -- of different things that you've come up 2 with that people keep asking me for, because we only put 3 $60,000 in our contingency. And I will tell you that, you 4 know, right off the top of my head, with some of the things 5 that I've been asked, we're just about to hit that. And we 6 haven't even -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: About to hit that before we get 8 this emergency director? 9 MS. HARGIS: Well, the emergency director, we 10 haven't -- we approved the Kerrville South, Phase 6, and with 11 Kerrville South, Phase 6, you approve a $25,000 match. We 12 didn't approve that in our budget. We also have Kerrville 13 South where we went over; you approved the change orders. We 14 went over $12,000 there, so 25, 12, and 14. And those are -- 15 those are not any of the other things that we've been looking 16 at, so we're going to eat that contingency up. Now, I can 17 look other places. It's just very early in the budget year 18 to be looking, to start stripping some of these line items. 19 I can look in -- in his line item for the 14,000, but the 20 other items have to come out of contingency, 'cause they have 21 to do -- in fact, I've already hit the line item for 22 contingency in Kerrville South. It wasn't quite the 12,000, 23 because we had a little bit of money left over from a prior 24 grant, so it's about nine. But what I'm saying is, we're 25 hitting that contingency so fairly early on that -- and, you 2-9-15 111 1 know, I'm -- my tenure here is a little bit short, so I just 2 want to remind y'all that what we might want to do is have a 3 list of those things, that if you think you have projects out 4 there -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I think that's a good idea. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, good. 7 MS. HARGIS: And let's discuss them and get them 8 out on the table so that you're all aware of them, and we 9 don't have any surprises at the last minute. Yes, sir? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want to offer an old 11 country boy principle. If you run out of money, quit 12 spending. 13 MS. HARGIS: Well, I'm basically just kind of 14 reminding y'all of that. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I understand. I 16 understand what you're saying, and I appreciate that. 17 MS. HARGIS: I'm -- 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's time to rethink, start 19 screwing this thing down a little bit. 20 MS. HARGIS: I think, you know, it's a tight year, 21 and we really didn't leave a lot of money in any line items. 22 And so once you've hit contingency really hard -- you have 23 some professional fees there as well. You just -- we just 24 need to be careful. But we're already obligated to the 25 25 and to the 12, because you signed off on the grants. And we 2-9-15 112 1 didn't talk about the 25,000 when you approved the grant, but 2 you also have to have a county match. I've always been able 3 to -- in the past, we knew in advance, and we prepared for 4 that, either had it in the budget or we had it in our capital 5 budget. This year we don't have it, so -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Will you present that at the next 7 Commissioners Court here? 8 MS. HARGIS: We're going to bring that up at the 9 next Commissioners Court. But I -- if you have anything, if 10 you could just send me an e-mail so I could start looking for 11 these things and try to give you a general idea. Because 12 somebody new is going to have a hard time going through this, 13 you know, and -- and giving you answers the same way that I 14 do, 'cause they haven't had the opportunity to be able to 15 search. They don't know what the past history is, so it's 16 going to be a little hard that last six months for that 17 person. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One thing we had was that 19 emergency three-phase power, which we've never -- 20 MS. HARGIS: We haven't hit that 90,000 yet; we 21 haven't gotten a bill for it yet. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's right. That's what I 23 was going to say; we've not gotten a bill. 24 MS. HARGIS: I think Charlie -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Charlie's been working with 2-9-15 113 1 KPUB on that. 2 MS. HARGIS: I don't know if we're going to get a 3 bill on that or not. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: May not, but that's a -- 5 that's another -- 6 MS. HARGIS: That's another item. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 8 MS. HARGIS: But that we were not going to -- we're 9 actually going to declare an emergency on that particular 10 issue. These are things that we're not declaring an 11 emergency. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 13 MS. HARGIS: But we're sucking down what we already 14 have. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 16 MS. HARGIS: And we've got lots of ideas this year, 17 but not a lot of money. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we're going to shut 'er down. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: That's what we're going to do. 21 Okay. Approve and accept monthly reports? 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: J.P., Precinct 1, for the 23 month of January 2015; J.P., Precinct 3, monthly report, 24 January 2015; J.P., Precinct 4, December 2014, January 2015 25 monthly report; monthly report for Robbin Burlew, District 2-9-15 114 1 Clerk, January 2015; payroll approval from Tracy Soldan, Kerr 2 County Treasurer, January of 2015; monthly report, John 3 Lavender, Constable, Precinct 1, January 2015; monthly report 4 from James Hicks, Constable, Precinct 2, January 2015; 5 monthly report from Gene Huffaker, Constable, Precinct 4, 6 January 2015; monthly Animal Services report and 7 Environmental Health activity report from Ray Garcia, 8 Director, January 2015. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we accept all the reports. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that all 12 those reports just read into the record be approved. Is 13 there any further discussion? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is -- one of those was 15 Constable Hicks. Do you get his report? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you have it? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've seen it. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Could I -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If we have it somewhere, 22 could I see that? I'd like to -- I haven't seen anything 23 from him since we've put him on board, and I kind of want to 24 keep -- 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Coming that way, 2-9-15 115 1 Commissioner. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Gosh, thanks a lot. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You can have them. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I can have these? 5 JUDGE POLLARD: You want to see it before we call a 6 vote for it? 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. There being no further 9 discussion, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising 10 your right hand. 11 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right, 13 reports from Commissioners. We'll start with Mr. Baldwin. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Moser? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Nothing. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: I have nothing. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Nothing. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Nothing in mine. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Reeves? All right. 21 Liaison/committee assignments? Anybody want to talk on that? 22 Anybody? All right, reports from elected officials and 23 department heads. Anybody want to speak? 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You've talked enough, 25 Sheriff. 2-9-15 116 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Sorry. 2 MS. LANTZ: Larry Boccaccio with TAC was here last 3 week to inform us that we will be getting the Gold Star award 4 again this year for our worker's comp efforts, keeping the 5 premiums low, and our safety record, so I just wanted the 6 Court to be aware of that. You'll be receiving some 7 notification in the mail. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We get money for that? 9 MS. LANTZ: Our premiums get lowered. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: A little discount. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Expense deferred. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you for your work in 13 accomplishing that. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: One on-the-job accident really can 15 really wreck that, though. We've been fortunate. All right. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rusty has a hand up, too. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, I still had a few. Just 18 an update real quick on the radio project, okay. Sorry, this 19 is a very big expenditure. The -- Motorola has shipped all 20 their equipment to Advantage Communications. They're also 21 going to be -- the local Motorola -- helping. My microwave 22 network has shipped their equipment. They're starting this 23 week to put together some of the stuff, and staging it and 24 testing. But some of the things this Court has to be aware 25 of, one is what I just made you aware of, structural 2-9-15 117 1 analysis. Two is tower leases. We're going from three 2 towers -- four towers to five tower sites, okay? We're doing 3 away with one, though, but there's going to be new tower 4 leases. One of them is going to be the Advantage tower, the 5 one in town, to get us the building coverage that we haven't 6 had before, and that lease is going to run about $975 a 7 month. So, there are going to be a number of expenses that 8 we don't have in the budget at this time that may end up 9 requiring some emergency stuff once those lease agreements 10 get hammered out and agreed to. Because this is starting to 11 pick up pace, and they are on some set times. I would like 12 maybe to involve my liaison and kind of get him broke in to 13 sit in with some of this so he's also aware and can help keep 14 this Court aware of the constant involvement going on of this 15 very major project. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: This is going to give you coverage, 17 radio reception-wise, through all the former blank spots in 18 the county? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: What we believe -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 97 percent of it? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes, I think it will -- it's 22 going digital, for one, and it's going to enhance our 23 emergency radio communications drastically throughout the 24 county. And there also will be some talks and meetings that 25 this Court can be aware of where, in the future, where it's 2-9-15 118 1 even been discussed that EMS may want to transfer over to the 2 same system, because they'll get so much better coverage 3 throughout the county for the ambulance service and that, 4 and that could help at that time, possibly, you know, through 5 negotiation, to offset some of those lease costs also. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Would you be dispatching those 7 through the Sheriff's Office, then? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, they still have their own 9 dispatching, but it's just using some of our equipment that's 10 up there to be able to get the radio coverage. So, there's 11 just a lot involved, a lot going on, but there are going to 12 be some costs, of course, with this. Some radio tower leases 13 are going to go down that we're going to do away with, like 14 the one off Elm Pass. Other ones are going to go up. You 15 know, some are -- Legion's going to go down a little bit, 16 'cause we're pulling some equipment off of that tower site; 17 it's more of a relay site. But other ones, you know, will 18 have more equipment. The one -- the tower down at Comfort, 19 that's going -- that hasn't ever been used; that's a new 20 tower. That's going to be added into it, and the one here in 21 town is going to be added. So, there's just going to be a 22 lot of changes and negotiation over the next couple of 23 months. This Court's -- we're going to have to look at 24 funding. Okay, thank you. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, thank you. Any further 2-9-15 119 1 reports from department heads? Reports from boards, 2 commissions, and committees? Anybody? City/County joint 3 projects or operations reports? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We have too many of those. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Got too many of them, right. And 6 any other kind of reports of any kind? I guess it's time to 7 go into executive session, now. Let me read that junk. The 8 Commissioners Court reserves the right to adjourn into 9 executive session at any time to discuss any of the above 10 matters listed as permitted by law, including if they meet 11 the qualifications of Section 551.071, consultation with 12 attorney, 551.072, deliberation regarding real property, 13 551.073, deliberation regarding gifts, 551.074, personnel 14 matters, 551.078 and .0785, deliberations involving 15 individuals' medical or psychiatric records, 551.076, 16 deliberation regarding security devices, and 551.087, 17 deliberation regarding economic development negotiations, of 18 Chapter 551 of the Texas Government Code, including the 19 following matters. And it's -- 2.1 is consultation with 20 attorney about possible litigation, and I think that's the 21 one we're going into for -- to discuss. And possibly 2.2, 22 personnel matters, and 2.3, deliberations regarding economic 23 development, and then 2.4, deliberation regarding real 24 property as per Section 551.072. All right, we're in closed 25 session. 2-9-15 120 1 (The open session was closed at 11:29 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 2 is contained in a separate document.) 3 - - - - - - - - - - 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're back in open 5 session. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We need the clerk. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're just going to adjourn. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: You can probably -- 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You can probably tell her in 10 the hall that we adjourned. Let's just adjourn. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Want to move for adjournment? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved and 15 seconded. Those in favor, raise your right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.( 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It's unanimous, 4-0. We're 18 adjourned. Thank you. 19 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 11:44 a.m.) 20 - - - - - - - - - - 21 22 23 24 25 2-9-15 121 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 12th day of February, 8 2015. 9 10 REBECCA BOLIN, Kerr County Clerk 11 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 12 Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 2-9-15