1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Special Session 10 Monday, April 27, 2015 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X April 27, 2015 2 PAGE --- Visitors' Input 4 3 --- Commissioners' Comments 5 4 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request to put a door in County Court at Law 5 office for emergency exit 8 6 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on copier lease for County Court at Law office 14 7 1.3 Public Hearing regarding revision of plat for 8 Lots 1 and 2 of Scenic Valley Springs, Phase 2, and Jack A. Hall (unrecorded Plat), Precinct 1 16 9 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for 10 final approval regarding revision of plat for Lots 1 and 2 of Scenic Valley Springs, Phase 2, 11 and Jack A. Hall (unrecorded Plat), Precinct 1 16 12 1.5 Public Hearing regarding revision of plat for Lots 148 and 149 of Vistas Escondidas De Cypress 13 Springs Estates, Precinct 4 17 14 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept donation from Kerr County Historical 15 Commission of a projector and screen for the Union Church building 18 16 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for 17 final approval regarding revision of plat for Lots 148 and 149 of Vistas Escondidas De Cypress 18 Springs Estates, Precinct 4 21 19 1.8 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to declare a portion of Mary Ruth Road in Pct. 4 20 impassable and not accessible to emergency vehicles; authorize Road and Bridge to make 21 necessary repairs in accordance with Order 29297 24 22 1.9 Update from Kerr Economic Development Corporation 27 23 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to rescind Court Order #34056 approved April 13, 24 2015, and approve contract with Kerrville Drug Company, Inc., as the provider of prescriptions 25 for clients of Kerr County Indigent Health program; authorize County Judge to sign the contract 35 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) April 27, 2015 2 PAGE 3 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve a proclamation to declare May 7, 2015, 4 “National Day of Prayer” 38 5 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on implementation of the burn ban 40 6 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 7 transfer ownership of Kerrville South Wastewater Project, Phase V, system to City of Kerrville 42 8 1.15 Consider/discus, take appropriate action to 9 authorize Commissioners Letz and Reeves to respond to specific questions related to RFP 10 for Facilities Management Services at the Hill Country Youth Event Center 45 11 4.1 Pay Bills 52 12 4.2 Budget Amendments -- 4.3 Late Bills 53 13 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 54 14 1.14 Public Hearing on proposed rules and regulations for county parks in Kerr County, Texas 55 15 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 16 Assignments 67 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads -- 17 5.3 Reports from Boards, Commissions and Committees 77 18 --- Adjourned 82 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 On Monday, April 27, 2015, at 9:00 a.m., a special 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, it's 9 a.m. on April the 8 27th, 2015, and the Kerr County Commissioners Court is in 9 session. Commissioner Reeves will lead us this morning. 10 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. This is the part where we 12 have visitors' input. It's open for visitors, and we didn't 13 have any reservation forms back there to fill out, but 14 Mr. Voelkel tells me that -- he came forward and identified 15 himself as someone wishing to speak. 16 MR. VOELKEL: Good morning, Commissioners. I'm Lee 17 Voelkel. I have brought my friend Ben Graves back to the 18 court this morning. Ben's been working hard again. I think 19 the last time we were here, the Sheriff told him if he didn't 20 make him one, he's going to put him in jail, so we're here 21 this morning with a new Texas map for the Sheriff. Do you 22 want to come up? I'll have Ben -- Ben, do you want to grab 23 that and give it to the Sheriff? Is that okay? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: That's fine. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 4-27-15 5 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We got just the place in the 2 foyer for it out there. Thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let the photographers get 4 there. 5 MR. VOELKEL: For those that haven't seen this, Ben 6 had put together a map of Texas which has every county, 254, 7 in a little piece of wood, and it all comes together really 8 nice. 9 MS. VAN WINKLE: I don't want that behind you. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: She's getting way too picky. 11 (Photographs taken.) 12 MS. VAN WINKLE: Very nice. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you very much, Mr. Graves. 14 MR. VOELKEL: Thank you, Judge. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there anyone else 16 wishing to speak in the public forum portion? There being 17 none, we'll go to comments from -- from the Commissioners, 18 starting with Number 1. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I missed the midget 20 wrestling. I missed this and I missed that, but I've had a 21 good -- good time. But we all talk about thanks for the 22 rain; "Thank you, deer Lord, for the rain." You know, we all 23 pray for it. He delivered, so that shouldn't be a shocker to 24 us. But we need a little bit more. That's all. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm going to pass. 4-27-15 6 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Nothing. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I'll just report that the -- 3 I was -- I think I was the only representative from the Court 4 at the midget wrestlers' deal. (Laughter.) 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Did they challenge you, 6 Judge? 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Nobody challenged me. I want to 8 say they had seating set up for about 500 people, and I'd say 9 it was pretty close to that many people there. And I'd say 10 it was very successful. You know, wrestling is always kind 11 of a "putting on an act" kind of a deal, and they were 12 putting on a pretty good act. They had four midgets, one guy 13 that was kind of halfway a midget, and -- and then they had a 14 referee that got -- ended up getting involved in it too, and 15 midgets were throwing him around. (Laughter.) It's audience 16 participation, and I want to tell you that the audience was 17 active, boy. (Laughter.) This guy, the first wrestler got 18 out there; he was wearing a Canadian outfit and challenged 19 the United States and said it was a bad place. See, that 20 starts it out; you always have a bad guy like that guy in 21 these things. So, all kind of chants, "U.S.A., U.S.A., 22 U.S.A." from the crowd, and they got after him. And sure 23 enough, the good U.S.A. wrestler finally took him down and 24 pinned him, and everybody cheered. 25 MAYOR PRATT: Surprising. 4-27-15 7 1 MS. VAN WINKLE: It wasn't rigged, was it? 2 JUDGE POLLARD: It was very entertaining; it really 3 was. The crowd was as entertaining as the -- as the 4 wrestlers, in my opinion. They really got into it. So -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What was the age of the crowd? 6 JUDGE POLLARD: It was mixed. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, it was mixed. I saw -- saw a 9 couple of lawyers in town in there. (Laughter.) Steve 10 Schulte was there, Denny Foster and their bunch and all, and 11 they were very active. Steve was very -- was vociferous; 12 let's put it that way. He challenged them a lot, too. And I 13 saw J.D. Wagner, a contractor in town; his family and all of 14 his workers were there. I mean, it was -- it was a good 15 turnout, and it was a lot of fun. It really was. And I 16 suspect -- well, Schulte walked up to me and said, "This is 17 pretty fun. You know, the next time it comes, there will be 18 twice as many people," and so I suspect that's true. Anyway, 19 that's my report on midget wrestling. You're up. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Nothing this morning, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I missed the wrestling. I 22 got a -- had to be up in Dallas -- and this will make you 23 feel a little older, Judge. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I need that. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I watched Jody turn 27 years 4-27-15 8 1 old Saturday, so I got to go celebrate my -- the weekend with 2 my oldest and his birthday. And I am very glad I live in the 3 Texas Hill Country. Three days in Dallas traffic's enough 4 for anybody. (Laughter.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. Well, wish Jody a happy 6 birthday. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll do it. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: By the way, I saw a number of kids 9 from -- from Harper, people from Harper that I remembered 10 from my grandchildren; I saw them all out at the midget 11 wrestling, so it must be popular over in Harper. All right. 12 With that, we'll go to Item 1.1 on the agenda. Consider, 13 discuss, and take appropriate action on request to put a door 14 in the County Court at Law office for an emergency exit. 15 Judge Harris. 16 JUDGE HARRIS: Yes. Thank y'all for a couple of 17 minutes of your time. I don't know if you're aware, the 18 County Court at Law and the offices have the two doors right 19 at the front, and then there is no emergency exit at all for 20 the courtroom or for the offices. Heaven forbid we should 21 have something like a fire outside of those doors. There's 22 no way for people to get out; we would be trapped. We've now 23 gone through our first round of jury panels and jury trials 24 where we've got a lot of people in there. We also average 25 about 100 cases every Tuesday. We'll be over 100 cases 4-27-15 9 1 tomorrow morning. We have the heaviest docket of any court 2 in Kerr County. And I don't know where a door needs to be 3 put, but we need an exit in case of an emergency for our 4 people. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Does that same condition exist 6 other places in the courthouse? 7 JUDGE HARRIS: I don't believe so. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I guess I'm asking Tim. 9 MR. BOLLIER: Sir? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I said does the same condition 11 exist at other places in the courthouse? Are we fixing a 12 single problem or a generic problem? 13 MR. BOLLIER: Well, actually, there's another place 14 over in J.P. 1. The only door they have is straight out the 15 front. Other than that, I do not know of any other ones. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's some offices -- the 17 Auditor. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I was thinking of 19 somebody who has a large number of people like the Judge has 20 mentioned. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, I think that's the only 22 one. The upstairs courtrooms are all pretty -- there's two 23 doors in all those. Downstairs, some of those areas, most of 24 those areas have two doors. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge Harris, I want to ask 4-27-15 10 1 you a question. 2 JUDGE HARRIS: Sure. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: My constituents will ask me, 4 so you can just give me the answer and I can answer them. 5 Has any particular -- has any particular issue happened to 6 cause you to feel like you need an exit? Or just preparing 7 for the -- 8 JUDGE HARRIS: I had no idea the volume of people 9 that go in and out of that courtroom. I had no idea. The -- 10 the concern I have is that on any given day, if there should 11 be, like I said, some emergency that blocks those doors, 12 we're all -- we're unable to get out. There's -- there is no 13 other way. And it's -- it is your highest volume of court. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I think it's a good 15 point, and I just -- but thinking about how it all lays out, 16 the only spot I can see to put a door is going to be in the 17 clerk's office. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Tax office. 20 MR. BOLLIER: Tax. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean tax office. And -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Do they have a back door? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They can get back and around. 24 They can go over through the clerk -- County Clerk's office. 25 I mean, there's a loop to get around through there. 4-27-15 11 1 MR. BOLLIER: There's a couple. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And there's an exit that goes 3 out on Jefferson Street also. 4 JUDGE HARRIS: Through I.T., I think. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Through I.T. So, you know, 6 Tim, you might look at and that and see. I have no idea how 7 those walls -- I mean, since that was a jail at one point, 8 those walls could be a foot thick, for all I know. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, if I may interrupt, you 10 know, originally when that annex was built, from -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's right. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- Judge Harris' courtroom to 13 the back was all the tax office. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Should be okay. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So it's probably not a major 16 wall that you'd have to go through. They put up the walls 17 when County Court at Law was built, so -- so I figure 18 something in there. You know, for the price of a door, an 19 exit is worth -- hope you never need it for an emergency, 20 Judge. 21 JUDGE HARRIS: Right. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But it's best to have it. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good point. If Tim can look 24 into that, where it could be, I don't think that wall's 25 really used by the Tax Assessor's office. 4-27-15 12 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe the jury deliberation room. 2 JUDGE HARRIS: Or the Judge's office. I mean, 3 wherever -- wherever it's most -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Have to move bookcases to do that. 5 JUDGE HARRIS: Sure. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'd like for us to look at it 7 rather than take action today. Just -- 8 JUDGE HARRIS: Sure, please. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Quite often, there's 10 unintended consequences when we just react real quickly. 11 JUDGE HARRIS: Absolutely. Come on over any time. 12 Any time. We're here all day. And then last, we would just 13 like to get a new copier, black and white. We've run -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's the next item. 15 JUDGE HARRIS: Oh, sorry. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: On this one, -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, you can stay there. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- we'll look and see where 19 it's feasible. You have to pretty much go to -- well, the 20 exit can go anywhere in the Tax Assessor's office. You can 21 put a door, as long as it's not right where the counter is, 22 either by the lobby area or behind there, exit-type door. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Look at how to do it and look 24 at the pros and the cons of doing it, okay? 25 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 4-27-15 13 1 MR. MOSTY: Not just how to. 2 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: And the cost. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the cost. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that's -- yeah, sure. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: An estimated cost. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 8 MR. BOLLIER: Quick question. Do you want me to do 9 it, or do you want me to go out for -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, you can do it, I think. I 11 mean, it's a matter of looking at the plans that we have. I 12 don't think we need to hire an architect. 13 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Unless we miss with a load-bearing 15 wall. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, we've got to figure out 17 what's there. 18 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You have the plans from when 20 Mike Walker -- or that was older; he renovated part of that. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You could put a door on this 22 outside wall, but that first step's about 35, 40 feet off the 23 ground. (Laughter.) 24 JUDGE HARRIS: It's a big step. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, it's a big step. Find 4-27-15 14 1 out -- find out what you're made out of. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. If that's all the 3 discussion about that, we'll move on, then, to Item 1.2; 4 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on copier 5 lease for the Kerr County Court at Law. Judge Harris. You 6 need a new one? 7 JUDGE HARRIS: We do. We do. Again, we're the -- 8 the highest volume court, and all we have are the little 9 small copiers everywhere. We're generating anywhere from 10 sometimes 30 and 40 pleas on a day. And, for example, when 11 my seminar information comes in, and they send it to you by 12 e-mail nowadays, to be able to print it out, I don't have a 13 copier that can handle even printing out my seminar 14 information. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Not enough capacity to print out a 16 seminar book? 17 JUDGE HARRIS: No. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do you have money in your 19 budget? 20 JUDGE HARRIS: We do. I've worked with James on 21 it, and we've got some money in the budget, yes. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Enough to cover it? 23 JUDGE HARRIS: Yes, that's my understanding. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move approval to authorize 25 Judge Harris to -- 4-27-15 15 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Contract's in here. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Authorize County Judge to sign 3 a contract for the new copier -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- for County Court at Law. 6 Funds will come out of her budget. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 8 seconded that the County Judge be authorized to execute this 9 contract with Ricoh for a new photocopy machine for the 10 County Court at Law. Any further discussion? There being 11 none, those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 14 Congratulations, Your Honor. 15 JUDGE HARRIS: Thank y'all very much, and please 16 come by any time to see our offices. Thank you. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Has the County Attorney looked 19 at it? 20 MS. STEBBINS: I've reviewed it, yes, sir. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: We'll go to Item 1.3. This is a 22 public hearing regarding the revision of a plat for Lots 1 23 and 2, Scenic Valley Springs Phase 2, Volume 8, Page 81, and 24 Jack A. Hall unrecorded plat, Volume 3, Page 149-B-1. 25 / 4-27-15 16 1 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 9:15 a.m., and a public hearing was held in open 2 court, as follows:) 3 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there anyone wishing to speak on 5 this matter in the public hearing? If so, come forward. 6 (No response.) 7 JUDGE POLLARD: There being none, I'll close the 8 public hearing, then. 9 (The public hearing was concluded at 9:15 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court meeting was 10 reopened.) 11 - - - - - - - - - - 12 JUDGE POLLARD: And we'll proceed to Item 1.4; 13 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action for the 14 Court's final approval regarding the revision of plat for 15 Lots 1 and 2, Scenic Valley Springs Phase 2, Volume 8, Page 16 81, and Jack A. Hall unrecorded plat, Volume 3, Page 149-B-1, 17 Precinct 1. Mr. Odom or Mr. Hastings. 18 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. We just concluded the 19 public hearing; it's complete. We have previously reviewed 20 this about a month ago, and there's some parcels that were 21 subdivided, but not platted. And this plat, if it's approved 22 today, makes those lots in conformance with the subdivision 23 regulations. So, at this time, we're asking the Court for 24 their final approval regarding the revision of plat of Lots 1 25 and 2 of Scenic Valley Springs Phase 2, Volume 8, Page 81, 4-27-15 17 1 and Jack A. Hall unrecorded plat, Volume 3, Page 149-B-1, in 2 Precinct 1, to accept the preliminary revision of plat -- to 3 accept the final plat on this. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's yours. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. Judge, I move for 6 approval of the agenda item. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded for 9 approval of the request in Item 1.4 of the agenda. Is there 10 any further discussion? There being none, those in favor, 11 signify by raising your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 14 Next is another public hearing -- thank you, Mr. Hastings. 15 Is it 9:10? Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: This is a public hearing regarding 18 the revision of plat for Lots 148 and 149 of Vistas 19 Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates, Volume 7, Pages 20 363-364, Page 4. 21 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 9:17 a.m., and a public hearing was held in open 22 court, as follows:) 23 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Anyone wishing to speak on this 25 public hearing? 4-27-15 18 1 (No response.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: There being none, I now close the 3 public hearing. 4 (The public hearing was concluded at 9:17 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court meeting was 5 reopened.) 6 - - - - - - - - - - 7 JUDGE POLLARD: And we'll go to Item 1.6; consider, 8 discuss, and take appropriate action to accept donation from 9 the Kerr County Historical Commission of a projector and 10 screen for the Union Church building. Commissioner, 11 Precinct 1. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, thank you very 13 much. I just wanted to say that the -- our good friend Bud 14 Wright here has come up with a projector and a screen. The 15 screen goes up into the -- rolls up into where you can't see 16 it any more, and I just think it's an enhancement for the old 17 Union Church. People can rent it; now there's an added value 18 to the rental of it. Bud Wright. 19 MR. WRIGHT: One thing he hasn't mentioned is that 20 many of us, we don't walk too well any more, and we run into 21 the situation that we put the screen up, we put the projector 22 up, we put all these wires on the floor, and lo and behold, 23 we come stumbling along, and it's a safety issue too from 24 that standpoint, and something that we really don't realize. 25 But the projector will be permanently mounted on the ceiling 4-27-15 19 1 of the church. The projector -- the screen will be hidden 2 behind the podium, and it'll be a motorized screen that comes 3 down, so it will be basically an added value benefit to the 4 Union Church. It will be something that we use consistently. 5 It will be something that other speakers and other venues 6 will use, and will very much add to the value of the church. 7 So, we're here this morning to basically ask for your 8 permission to install that. Bill Rector, Julius Neunhoffer 9 and myself, we met with the I.T. individual from the County, 10 went over what we plan to do, and we're in a position now to 11 go forward and install it, with the Court's permission. Any 12 questions, I'll be glad to answer. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me comment -- make one 14 other point on that. I think this is a -- a great addition. 15 I gave a talk out there last week sometime, Wednesday or 16 something like that; had to carry multiple screens out and 17 set them up, run wires all over the place. And this, as he 18 says, is going to be a ceiling-mounted projector, which is -- 19 it really will enhance the -- the use of that facility. So, 20 boy, just thank you very much for doing that. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: You can determine for sure the old 22 ceiling will hold it up? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, yeah. 24 MR. WRIGHT: We put Julius up on top to make sure. 25 If Julius didn't fall through, we're in good shape. 4-27-15 20 1 (Laughter.) 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Julius wouldn't let anything 3 like that happen. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. And you say -- Buster said 5 you came up with it from what -- who's donating this? 6 MR. WRIGHT: Actually, the Kerr County Historical 7 Commission basically went with the expense of buying the 8 screen and the wiring, et cetera. I donated the projector. 9 We also purchased the mount -- the ceiling mount, special 10 mount so it's permanently attached, and then the wiring. 11 Therefore, so it's kind of a combined effort from everybody. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank everybody. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank the Historical Commission, 14 and especially yourself and Mr. Neunhoffer, okay? And thank 15 you very much. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I wanted to say that I 17 appreciate these guys coming in here and getting permission 18 to do that -- or not necessarily permission, but have the 19 conversation about what they wanted to do. And I appreciate 20 them doing that instead of just going in there and -- and 21 adding to it. So, I move that we accept the donation from 22 the Historical Commission. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 25 seconded that we accept the donation from the Historical 4-27-15 21 1 Association, with our thanks. Any -- any further discussion? 2 There being none, those in favor, signify by raising your 3 right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, Bud. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, sir. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's see, which one's 10 next? 1.7. Is it 9:15? Yes, all right. Consider, discuss, 11 and take appropriate action for the Court's final approval 12 regarding the revision of plat for Lots 148 and 149 of Vistas 13 Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates, Volume 7, Pages 363 14 and 364, Precinct 4. Mr. Hastings. 15 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. We just concluded the 16 public hearing item before this. We've previously reviewed 17 this about a month ago, the subdivision in detail. 18 Basically, the owners of Lot 148 and 149 would like to alter 19 their lot lines -- both -- both of these lots. Lot 148A is 20 proposed at 1.66 acres, and Lot 149 A is proposed at 21 5.74 acres. And at this time, we're asking the Court for 22 their final approval regarding the revision of plat for Lots 23 148 and 149 of Vistas Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates, 24 Volume 7, Pages 363 through 364. It's in Precinct 4. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval. 4-27-15 22 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second, -- 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- with a question. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded for 5 approval on Item 1.7. Is there further discussion? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My recollection is that this 7 subdivision has a minimum lot size of -- I mean, has a total 8 number of lots set, but not a minimum lot size; is that 9 correct? Or less than 1 acre? The reason, that's a rather 10 small lot for that area. And I -- when this came through, it 11 seems that there was a total number of lots that were allowed 12 in the subdivision. Not necessarily, but we might have given 13 a waiver to that small of a lot size. But do you recall the 14 -- about that? 15 MR. HASTINGS: No, sir, we hadn't looked at this 16 before. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Are you talking specifically 18 to this part of Cypress Springs, or the entire Cypress 19 Springs? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The entire Cypress Springs, I 21 believe. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah, the ones below are a 23 comparable size to 148A. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You're not adding a lot, but 25 just -- 4-27-15 23 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We're not adding a lot. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's just that the size of that 3 lot is pretty small for that type of a sewer system. I mean, 4 since this area doesn't -- that goes to the next question. 5 Is there a house currently on 148A? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, but there will be. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Environmental Health has 8 looked at it, and on that small terrain, they can put in a 9 septic system? 10 MR. HASTINGS: Environmental Health has looked at 11 it, yes. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't have a problem with it. 13 We're not increasing the number of lots, but there's 14 something odd about this one, because it came through, as I 15 recall, right during one of our subdivision rewrites, and it 16 was given a little bit different treatment than a lot of the 17 others, so just making sure we're consistent. 18 MR. HASTINGS: It does meet our minimum lot size of 19 1 acre for community water system with O.S.S.F. and outside a 20 high density development area, so it still is within all of 21 our regulations. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 24 being none, those in favor of the motion, signify by raising 25 your right hand. 4-27-15 24 1 (The motion carried by unanimous vote.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 3 Item 1.8; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to 4 declare a portion of Mary Ruth Road located in Precinct 4 5 impassable and not accessible to emergency vehicles, and 6 authorize the Road and Bridge Department to make necessary 7 repairs in accordance with Order Number 29297. Commissioner 8 Reeves. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. This one, I 10 believe Commissioner Baldwin and I both talked about this 11 one. It's out in Upper Turtle Creek Estates. Most of that, 12 I believe, is in Precinct 1, but this is some of the back 13 part. I was not aware of the order until Commissioner 14 Baldwin helped me on it. This is a privately maintained 15 public road that has been deemed impassable by the Kerr 16 County Sheriff's Office, and I believe in accordance with the 17 court order that's referenced, we can authorize Road and 18 Bridge, on a one-time basis, to make the necessary repairs in 19 order for EMS and Sheriff's office to get there. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A comment. These are the bare 22 minimum repairs. We don't need Road and Bridge to go out 23 there and make a nice road. We're making them passable for 24 emergency services one time. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And this is one time? 4-27-15 25 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's one time, according to 2 the court order. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Has it ever been done before? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I mean on this road. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, not to my knowledge. 7 Not since we've passed this court order. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, this is the policy 9 that we do all over the county; private roads that -- 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: In your backup is the court 11 order from a previous Court in there. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 2005, we did it. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded for 16 approval of the item. This is Item 1.8 on the agenda. Is 17 there any further discussion? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does Road and Bridge keep track 19 of when they do -- 20 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir, we do. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You have a file and monitor so 22 we don't come back in three years and do this road again? 23 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, that's correct. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Those in favor of the 4-27-15 26 1 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 4-0, unanimous. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If I may, just -- just a 5 curiosity thing. If we do something like that one time, and 6 then it gets washed out with a flood, then we're not going to 7 ever do it again? 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think there was some 9 discussion in the minutes about that. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As the Court, we could -- we 11 could always do it, I think. We have the authority as the 12 Court. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But our policy -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Policy is not to? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're pretty strict on the 17 policy. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good enough. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: People choose to live on a 20 private road. They choose that because they want it private, 21 and they need to maintain it. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I think. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the way we do in our -- 25 we just spent $200,000 in our subdivision -- 4-27-15 27 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, nobody's going to come 2 out there and fix yours. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I know. But, I mean, it's a 4 private road, so, you know, we got washed out, so we 5 collected our money and did it. But, you know -- okay, I 6 didn't realize that. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: When this started, we had a 8 long road that was impassable in several different places, 9 and there was a heart attack victim at the end of it. Nobody 10 could get to him; they couldn't get in or out. So, this is 11 our way of helping people like that. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Like a hate strip. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those in favor of the 15 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 16 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 18 Item 1.9. And it's beyond 9:15 a.m., and this is an update 19 from Kerr Economic Development Corporation. Jonas Titas. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Good morning. 22 MR. TITAS: Good morning. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Still looking at it. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Good morning. 25 MR. TITAS: Morning, Commissioners. I just wanted 4-27-15 28 1 to give you all a brief update of K.E.D.C. activities. We 2 have amended our bylaws to reflect the -- the fiscal year 3 rather than the calendar year so that it will be easier on 4 some of our stakeholders to serve out terms, and the -- more 5 of the calendars coincide. So, that being said, our -- our 6 current president will be leaving his seat as City Council 7 representative in May, so his last meeting will be this 8 upcoming meeting, and then our current vice president, Kyle 9 Bond, will be elevated to president of K.E.D.C. for the 10 remainder of the fiscal year, and then in October we will 11 have new elections. We've also adopted a new elevator 12 speech, and that reads, "Kerr economic Development 13 Corporation's objective is to retain and generate primary job 14 opportunities in Kerrville and Kerr County. K.E.D.C. is 15 managed by professional staff who facilitates economic 16 development projects that yield returns on public investment 17 and reduces the tax burden on residents. K.E.D.C. is 18 governed by a 9-member board that assists in the retention 19 and expansion of existing businesses and attracting new 20 employers to Kerrville and Kerr County, creating a natural 21 environment for business." 22 We've also worked on several projects this year. 23 We've -- we've had a banner year. James Avery, we continue 24 to work on that one. You all have discussed your 381 25 agreement, tax abatement. We're also potentially going to 4-27-15 29 1 discuss with you an inventory tax exemption, but we're 2 putting together the numbers for that before moving forward, 3 and we'll be having those conversations in the coming months. 4 Mooney International, they have received all the bids for the 5 new roof project and selected a roofing construction company 6 out of San Francisco -- San Antonio, not San Francisco; I 7 don't know where that came from -- called CRAM Roofing. 8 Basically, the bid was $1.5 million. The City and the County 9 both allocated $500,000 apiece, so the remaining third will 10 be contributed by the company. And they expect to begin 11 construction very shortly on that project, and it'll be done 12 by mid to late fall. We also formed a new capture team to 13 secure new -- development of a new production line that has 14 been announced by the company, and that capture team 15 incorporates representatives from the City, the County, the 16 Airport Board, and K.E.D.C. Bending Branch Winery has begun 17 construction on the $3,000,000 of improvements that you all 18 executed a tax abatement on, on the eastern side of the 19 county right off of Hermann Sons Road, so that project is 20 progressing. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jonas, if I can make a comment, 22 their wines -- Bending Branch keeps on winning awards, and 23 they had a case that sold at the Houston Stock Show for 24 $100,000. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: That leaves me out. 4-27-15 30 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, yeah, they continue -- if 2 they enter a contest, they seem to come away with some sort 3 of award. They're really doing a good job. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And correct me if I'm not -- 5 if I'm incorrect. Aren't they doing just a unique kind of 6 grape, too? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They are kind of, I guess, 8 pioneering; going, looking at the soils and picking -- 9 finding the grape that matches, as opposed to just going and 10 buying grapes. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, probably the grapes are 13 really doing well. But they kind of -- and they also are 14 going to a different methodology on how they plant, as 15 opposed to -- which is minimum soil disturbance, which has 16 been a lot more successful. So they've kind of, you know, 17 done a lot of research, I think, worldwide, on soils and 18 planting methods and what they're -- and are bringing back 19 what they've learned to this area. 20 MR. TITAS: They are an extremely innovative 21 company. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me add something, too, on 23 the Mooney thing. This -- what Jonas is talking about is a 24 potential 150,000, 200,000 square foot brand-new facility, 25 air-conditioned, to do -- produce an all-composite plane -- 4-27-15 31 1 airplane, new design. The mayor, myself, Jonas, and Steve 2 King formed a group to let Mooney know that we're 3 aggressively pursuing their -- seeing what makes sense. 4 Jonas is looking at some stuff, such as is this whole product 5 an economic benefit? You know, is it doable? What is the 6 competition out there, and who is -- who are our competition? 7 We've already had competition -- 8 MR. TITAS: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- from other cities. 10 MR. TITAS: We're currently conducting a lot of due 11 diligence on this project. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's going to be -- we're 13 going to go carefully, but it's -- it'll be a couple hundred 14 people added to the place out there. 15 MR. TITAS: Eventually, yes. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, there's a lot of competition 17 for it. Several other cities have -- are interested in it. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They very definitely are. 19 California -- 20 MR. TITAS: Aggressively going after it. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: California. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Kansas. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Kansas. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Texas. 4-27-15 32 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Other cities in Texas not too 2 far from here, right, so we've got a lot of competition. 3 MR. TITAS: Exactly. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Also independent of 5 competition, we got to make sure it's the right fit. 6 MR. TITAS: 100 percent. We'd love to get that 7 number of jobs here locally. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hey, Jonas? Now that we 9 have you slowed down just a little bit, you were talking 10 about Avery, and -- and we have our tax abatement programs in 11 place at this time. 12 MR. TITAS: Yes, sir. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And that you would be 14 bringing something back soon. What was that? 15 MR. TITAS: They are looking at the potential of -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: "They" being James Avery? 17 MR. TITAS: The company. Exempting inventory that 18 they have assembled at their new plant that will be 19 distributed outside of the state of Texas within six months. 20 This is a state program, but you all would have to authorize 21 that. We've run initial numbers on that, and it would 22 potentially amount to $4,000 or $5,000 a year of -- of 23 foregoance on add valorem inventory tax, rendition taxes that 24 would be assessed. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: When are you going to bring 4-27-15 33 1 that back? 2 MR. TITAS: We're working with the company to make 3 sure that we have all the information to bring to you, rather 4 than do something prematurely. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That will be an interesting 6 conversation. 7 MR. TITAS: We'll know exactly what we're 8 discussing. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you. 10 MR. TITAS: And then last, we're also working with 11 the owners of 741 Water Street, which is the former Bank of 12 America building. We've provided them with a lot of economic 13 information, traffic counts, feasibility study that was 14 conducted on a hotel. However, it looks like they are 15 proceeding with developing that -- that space as commercial 16 offices. And then, finally, some of our proactive prospect 17 outreach. The Texas Wine and Grape Growers annual conference 18 was in San Marcos several months ago, and that being an easy 19 drive, we went over and distributed a lot of materials on 20 opportunities for development in Kerrville/Kerr County to 21 foster that tourism-based industry that is growing by leaps 22 and bounds here in the Hill Country. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to say that I 24 happened to be in San Marcos at that same facility for 25 another -- for a county-related conference, and Jonas and I 4-27-15 34 1 had a good visit. He was working very hard to attract stuff 2 from the wine industry to Kerr County. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jonas, anything else you can 4 share on the Highway 173 corridor for wine producing and 5 vineyards and wineries? 6 MR. TITAS: Well, the program that we're embarking 7 upon is county-wide, not really trying to funnel anyone 8 towards a particular corridor. Somebody has -- Kerrville 9 Hills, for example. There's no reason why they should be 10 excluded while they have -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 12 MR. TITAS: -- they have been here for some time, 13 and investing in our community and developing a quality 14 product. So -- and then we just want to open it up to the 15 whole county, just try and be unique. Our most successful 16 and fastest growing winery is the one we just mentioned, 17 Bending Branch. They would not fall in that corridor as 18 well. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me restate that. Instead 20 of just Highway 173, it's -- the concept was to -- the wine 21 trails from Stonewall and Fredericksburg and coming down 22 Highway 16, and then loop around 173, that area, then all the 23 way back to Center Point and Comfort. So -- 24 MR. TITAS: Yes, we've explored that -- that 25 concept. It just -- we didn't feel it was our role to tell 4-27-15 35 1 somebody that they could do a project here, but not there. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, sure. Okay. 3 MR. TITAS: Any questions? Thank you. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good report. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Jonas. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.10; consider, 7 discuss, and take appropriate action to rescind Court Order 8 Number 34056, approved April 13, 2015, and approve the 9 contract with Kerrville Drug Company, Inc., as the provider 10 of prescriptions for the clients of the Kerr County Indigent 11 Health program, and authorize the County Judge to sign the 12 contract. Rosa? 13 MS. LAVENDER: Good morning. We, with due 14 diligence, have tried to work out the contract differences we 15 had with H.E.B., and it just didn't work out, and so we've 16 gone out and looked at other options. And R.G. Cook, the 17 people out at Kerrville Drug, have agreed to take over our 18 indigent prescription practice. They already do indigent 19 prescriptions for Bandera County, so it's going to work out 20 really well with their new facility that they're moving into. 21 It will give us a -- a program that's going to work well with 22 our clients. Instead of a contract, Heather drew up an 23 M.O.U., which we feel like is all we need to do with this. 24 And so we're just asking you to authorize the Judge to sign 25 the memorandum of understanding. It will start on May 1st. 4-27-15 36 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where's Kerrville Drug? 2 MS. LAVENDER: At the corner of Harper Road and 3 Junction Highway. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5 MS. LAVENDER: Where the new Chick-fil-A's going to 6 be. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 8 MS. LAVENDER: It's going to -- they're moving to 9 the old Super S store. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I thought that was it. 11 Okay. 12 MS. LAVENDER: They'll have a drive-in window, and 13 they have excellent customer service. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 MS. LAVENDER: And so this is going to be a real 16 positive thing for us. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did we talk to the other drug 18 companies around? 19 MS. LAVENDER: We did not. We just feel like this 20 is the route to go. And we don't need to go out for bid 21 because the amount of money involved here is minimal. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, the motion would be to 23 rescind the previous court order with H.E.B. and approve the 24 new contract with Kerrville Drug? 25 MS. LAVENDER: That's it. 4-27-15 37 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded. Is there 4 any further discussion? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Just -- yeah. And why 6 did we choose that, as opposed to talking to other people? 7 MS. LAVENDER: Well, we had -- C.V.S. was doing the 8 drugs when we took the program from the hospital, and we went 9 out for bids at that time, and none of the local people bid 10 at that time -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. 12 MS. LAVENDER: -- except Ackman, and Ackman now is 13 closed. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 15 MS. LAVENDER: And so we just feel like this is the 16 option that's -- that's the best for us. 17 MS. STEBBINS: They have experience with another 18 county as well. 19 MS. LAVENDER: Right. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. All right, okay. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion or 22 questions? If not, those in favor of the motion, signify by 23 raising your right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you, 4-27-15 38 1 Rosa. 2 MS. LAVENDER: Thank you. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.11; consider, discuss, and take 4 appropriate action to approve a proclamation to declare 5 May 7, 2015, National Day of Prayer. 6 MR. DANIELSON: Good morning. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, sir. 8 MR. DANIELSON: Back for my annual visit, and again 9 asking for your participation and support. This will be the 10 64th National Day of Prayer. I don't think we've done 64 11 years here in Kerrville, but we have a pretty long series of 12 events going, and just the opportunity to be below the 13 flagpole again on the county lawn and gather believers from 14 around the county. We'll pray for the nation, pray for you 15 guys, city leaders, and pray for our community. We'd love 16 your participation again. We'll submit the proclamation as 17 we've done in years past, and part of the plan would be to 18 have you guys read that and declare that to open the meeting 19 and get us going, about an hour's worth of prayer. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Mr. Danielson. Is there 21 a motion? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And am honored to do so. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm honored to accept it. All 4-27-15 39 1 right. Is there any further discussion? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll just make a quick comment. 3 Unfortunately, I'm going to be out of town that day, so I 4 will not be there, but I certainly support it, and hopefully 5 you'll let me sign the resolution before I leave. 6 MR. DANIELSON: There you go. That will be great, 7 and we really appreciate it. Last year I noticed you guys 8 stayed and prayed with us the whole time; that was great, 9 too. I mean, I think it's -- we want to pray for you, but we 10 appreciate you staying and praying with us. It's great. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, we need to especially 12 pray for him. (Laughter.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: We can all use the help. 14 MR. DANIELSON: Yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Absolutely. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. There being no further 17 discussion, those in favor, signify by raising your right 18 hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you, 21 Mr. Danielson. 22 MR. DANIELSON: Thank you very much. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good to see you. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you very much. Item 1.12; 4-27-15 40 1 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action on 2 implementation of the burn ban. Okay, this is something that 3 we -- I understand we do every 90 days, kind of review the 4 situation. We've had some rain. Is it -- anybody have any 5 thoughts about whether or not we ought to renew it or not 6 renew the burn ban? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we should continue. It 8 works. We do go into drought situation quickly. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We do. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the -- 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: By doing this, it enables us 12 to -- as commissioners, to lift or put it on when needed, 13 correct? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Suspend. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a good plan. It's 16 efficient. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have the authority to 18 suspend it in our precincts. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Things vary a lot from one 20 part of the county to another. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: They do. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I move approval. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 25 I will add that I looked at my rain gauge for the year this 4-27-15 41 1 morning. I have 7.9 inches. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wow, great. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Since the first of the year. Not 4 much. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: First of the year? I thought 6 you were saying this month. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about last night? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: I got a half inch last night of 9 rain, and about 2 inches of -- of lightning. (Laughter.) 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But you got that half inch 11 of rain in about five minutes. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, I did. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a lot. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: It's actually 7.91 inches since the 15 first of the year. That's not a lot for the -- for this, but 16 not far off. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's great. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: April showers. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: That's right. All right, if 21 there's no further discussion, those in favor of the motion, 22 signify by raising your right hand right hand. 23 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. The burn ban 25 thing -- technique we've used is still in effect, then. It's 4-27-15 42 1 up to each commissioner in each precinct. All right. 1.13; 2 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action to transfer 3 ownership of the Kerrville South Wastewater project, Phase 5, 4 system to the City of Kerrville. I saw the mayor left just 5 before this. Commissioner Moser? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. We have 7 completed Phase 5. We've got a letter from -- and I think 8 it's in everybody's packets. There's a letter from the City 9 accepting that it meets all the conditions. So, what this is 10 is to take the necessary action, then, to transfer the 11 operations of the Phase 5 of the Kerrville South Wastewater 12 system to the City. And we're just beginning Phase 6, so 13 we've done this same thing on the other previous phases. 14 They take it over; they operate it. Same kind of thing. We 15 look at -- Jonathan Letz and I are looking at that in Center 16 Point; we'll get that one going, so same procedure, except 17 that one won't be turned over to the city. So, I move that 18 we take the -- Charlie, help me here. We send them a -- a 19 bill of sale? 20 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that correct? And Heather? 22 MR. HASTINGS: Correct. 23 MS. STEBBINS: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, I move that we take the 25 necessary action, send appropriate documentation to the City 4-27-15 43 1 to have them accept and operate Phase 5 of Kerrville South 2 Wastewater system. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: And release us from all further 5 liability and hold us harmless? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We give a one-year warranty. 7 We give a one-year warranty on the operability of it, so -- 8 and Phase 6 will do a little bit more in some of the same 9 area, upgrading the lift station and adding -- primarily 10 adding the apartments over in Precinct 1. So -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Let me ask a question to clarify. 12 We're giving them a one-year warranty? Is that from the 13 manufacturer of the equipment -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: -- or is that from us? 16 MR. HASTINGS: That's from the contractor. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, from the contractor. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good. I don't want us -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good question. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any -- all right, those 23 in favor of the motion -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a comment I'd like to 25 make on this one. You know, I read and hear so much about 4-27-15 44 1 the City and the County not getting along, and -- and this is 2 an area that's never on the front page, because it's not 3 controversial, but this has been a project that the County 4 and the City have worked together on for, gosh, going on 10 5 years at least. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The results have been to take 8 an extremely polluted body of water, Camp Meeting Creek -- it 9 is now clean. Extremely clean. And it's -- you know, I 10 think it just should be noted that, you know, there are lots 11 of times where we do work very closely with the City. This 12 is one where there's been virtually no controversy the whole 13 time. We've been able to -- you know the requirements they 14 have for the construction, and we've worked with them. Our 15 engineers have worked with them, consultants. So, you 16 know -- 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And U.G.R.A. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And U.G.R.A. has kind of been 19 in between, helped along the way, so this is really a great 20 example of local entities working together for the betterment 21 of the environment and the community. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And we don't want to forget 23 what K.P.U.B. did on this. We had an emergency -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: True. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- out there, and K.P.U.B. 4-27-15 45 1 went in on the weekend, ran three-phase power to the lift 2 station, and averted a potential real problem. So, Jonathan 3 Letz is exactly right; it's been a good working relationship. 4 We have a clear understanding of memorandum with the City. 5 They get to approve all the plans. They get to buy off on 6 all the work that's been done. So -- 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And it's been going on for 8 years. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: For a bunch of years, right. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's a great relationship. 11 I have a question. In Phase 5, seemed like you have one 12 resident that still had not hooked up? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's correct. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, that will be a part of 16 Phase 6. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see, okay. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All right. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Those in favor of that 21 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. It's not 24 quite 10 a.m., is it? All right, we'll go to 1.15; consider, 25 discuss, and take appropriate action to authorize 4-27-15 46 1 Commissioners Letz and Reeves to respond to specific 2 questions related to the RFP for facility management services 3 at Hill Country Youth Event Center. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll get us started on this 5 one, 'cause Bob has some comments too. To our surprise and 6 excitement, this -- our RFP has garnered a great deal of 7 interest, and we anticipate likely four people are going to 8 be submitting RFP's -- or responses to the RFP. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, that's great. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two from Pennsylvania, one of 11 which we've met with, one from up near Glen Rose, and one 12 from San Antonio. But the reason -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Three? 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Two from Pennsylvania. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Two, okay. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The two from Pennsylvania are 17 multi-national, large, and the other two are smaller, more 18 regional. One of them -- just a little historical 19 interesting point was the one -- the event manager that 20 Blankenship and Associates contacted to work on the original 21 master plan out there done in about 2000, so he was -- he 22 asked -- said, "Did y'all do what the plan said?" I said, 23 "We did part of it." So -- but Bob's talked to some; I've 24 talked to some, but they're asking for a lot of information. 25 And we're trying to not burden Jody with a whole lot of -- 4-27-15 47 1 kind of creating tables and that. We also feel it's very 2 important, and we're required to give up a lot of the 3 information; budgets, just all kinds of stuff. But, you 4 know, I was a little bit uncomfortable with us sending off 5 all the information without coming to the Court and saying, 6 "Hey, you know, can Bob and I continue to talk and answer any 7 questions and send them any information that's required?" 8 We probably could have done it that way. It's just more 9 comfortable to get -- come to the Court and get specific -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Remind me of the schedule. 11 When are responses due? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: There is a mandatory pre-bid 13 meeting Wednesday at 11:00, which all of these so far have 14 indicated they would have somebody from their offices down 15 here. Then the -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that will be held at -- 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: At the event center. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What time? 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: At 11:00. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 11 o'clock? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You can't come; it's not 22 posted. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So post it. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Too late. Can we get it 25 posted? 4-27-15 48 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we can post in 2 time. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it's too late. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If it's too late, forget it. 5 Oh, yeah. Yeah, I'm sure it's too late. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 48 hours. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, yeah, okay. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: You can sit outside. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, that's okay. It's not -- 10 just curiosity. Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The -- but a lot of the 12 questions, I mean, are basically public record. What's the 13 budget? What's the labor force out there? What's the number 14 of days rented, et cetera. But I'm like Commissioner Letz; I 15 wanted to bring that all before the Court and so -- and get 16 permission to -- to put that information together and be able 17 to present it to them. 'Cause they all are coming back with 18 questions -- I say "all." The ones I've talked to, which are 19 two of them, and in talking to Commissioner Letz, I think a 20 couple of the ones he's talked to, they want all the 21 information. It's basically the same information, to make 22 sure everybody is bidding apples to apples. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: When are the proposals due? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The 5th, I think it is -- the 25 8th? 4-27-15 49 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 8th is what I'm -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: May 8th, which is a week from 3 Friday. A week from this Friday. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And open on the 11th. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And all of them -- all four 7 companies operate comparable facilities in Texas. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Who's the one from San Antonio? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's Pinnacle. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah, Pinnacle is from San 12 Antonio. Then Dooley -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Dooley Enterprise or something 14 from up in Glen Rose. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Glen Rose. Then the one that 16 made the presentation, and then the fourth one is the one 17 that -- you'll remember in the presentation, they said there 18 was a spin-off of -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: California? 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- of their -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not the California one. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, it's not? 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But this is the other one. 24 Both of them are out of Philadelphia. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: S.M.G. I did contact and talk 4-27-15 50 1 to some of them about this. I talked to the one in 2 California, and they didn't have any -- I left -- I know I 3 left them a message. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Too much out of their area? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It wasn't -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think that's what the 7 other company said. They said they'd be surprised if they 8 bid on it, 'cause they did more of a high-end -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: High end like Staples Center. 10 But, anyway, so at least we're -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And one of the -- some of the 13 questions that come up about naming rights, you know, what -- 14 you know, so things of that nature. So, they're looking at 15 pursuing that, and there's lots of -- it's going to be 16 interesting to receive them and try to figure out how to pick 17 who we think is the best one. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you guys going to try to 19 figure out a way to work up a printed list of answers? Or 20 are you just going to -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're going to put -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- meet every time? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Were going to put together a 24 packet of information, say, "Here it is." 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And give to it everybody? 4-27-15 51 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Give it to everybody. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If they have -- anybody has 3 questions outside that, then you can individually -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Individually talk, and we'll 5 talk to them all. All four will be there on Wednesday out 6 there, or representatives, and I suspect that some questions 7 may come out of that meeting. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this is kind of -- you 10 know, let's say we're trying to give them the information so 11 they can make a good response. But at the same time, we're 12 trying not to -- you know, it's -- a lot of the questions are 13 things that are asking about budget and dollars and revenue. 14 It's -- I don't think they understand that we don't have it, 15 because we haven't used it; we've shut it down for almost two 16 or three years. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They've asked for, like, the 18 past three years rental history. Well, one of them was just 19 completed this year, one of them two years ago. You know, 20 and we've been in the middle of construction. But all of 21 them, I guess, are basing their pro formas on three years and 22 everything. So, this is what -- the Auditor's office has 23 indicated they can help us pretty quick with whatever they 24 need. They've already provided some information to start -- 25 or provided it to us. 4-27-15 52 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do we have a motion? I'd 2 like to make one if -- do we have a motion? 3 THE CLERK: No. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval of the 5 agenda item, 1.15. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you want to -- a court 8 order saying that you're -- 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I think so. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do too. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 14 seconded for approval of Agenda Item 1.15, which authorizes 15 Commissioners Letz and Reeves to handle questions with the 16 RFP's as far as the Hill Country Youth Event Center is 17 concerned. Any further discussion? There being none, those 18 in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Still not 21 quite 10 o'clock. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We could pay the bills. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Pay the bills. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. There's a list of 4-27-15 53 1 bills. Any comments or questions about those? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll move we pay them. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second that motion. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? There 5 being none, those in favor, signify by raising your right 6 hand. 7 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Any budget 9 amendments? 10 MS. DOSS: No, sir. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: No? 13 MS. DOSS: No. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: I thought you said yes. Okay. 15 Item 4.3, late bills? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, there's some. I make a 17 motion we pay late bills. Aren't those late bills? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 21 we pay the late bills. Any further discussion or questions? 22 There being none, those in favor, signify by raising your 23 right hand. 24 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 25 JUDGE POLLARD: It's unanimous. Approve and accept 4-27-15 54 1 monthly reports. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, sir. Monthly reports: 3 William Ragsdale, J.P. Number 4, month of February 2015 and 4 March 2015. Then the Treasurer -- she may want to go over 5 the investment reports. Or is this sufficient to present it? 6 MS. SOLDAN: It's sufficient. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Let it go, huh? 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: County Treasurer, months of 9 January 2015, February 2015, March 2015. Then the March 2015 10 payroll, and second quarter Kerr County investment report. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there a motion? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move to approve the reports. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Second? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that we 17 accept the reports listed by Commissioner Reeves. Any 18 further discussion? There being none, those in favor, 19 signify by raising your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, is this -- is this 23 Fund 32 thing -- is that a late bill? Is that what that is? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought it was. That's why I 4-27-15 55 1 made the motion, 'cause there's one bill; it was one to 2 Grantworks and one to Tetra Tech. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: That's item 4.3, then, huh? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't know. I'm just 7 asking. 8 MS. DOSS: Yeah, those were late bills. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Those are included? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Those are late bills. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It looks like it's 13 10 o'clock. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It is 10 o'clock. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go back to Item 17 1.14, I think it is. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: This is a public hearing on 20 proposed rules and regulations for county parks in Kerr 21 County. 22 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 10 a.m., and a public hearing was held in open 23 court, as follows:) 24 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Commissioner Moser? 4-27-15 56 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Public hearing. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there any comments on 3 this? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Are there a set of those rules 5 that any of us are going to get to look at? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. (Laughter.) I have -- are 7 we going to -- can we -- County Attorney, can we talk during 8 the public hearing? Can Commissioners talk? 9 MS. STEBBINS: No. I mean, I guess you can talk. 10 You can't make a decision about any of it during the public 11 hearing. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, then. So the Sheriff can 13 go ahead and send -- what's the -- 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Have they been posted anywhere 15 for anybody to see them? How can we have a public hearing 16 over something nobody's seen? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did we post these? 18 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know if they were posted 19 with the agenda. I imagine not. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think -- I don't think 21 they were included in the agenda. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: They weren't included in my agenda. 23 MS. STEBBINS: And I think -- were they included 24 before? Seems like right at the end of my maternity leave -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We asked for comments, I 4-27-15 57 1 think. I know I sent you my comments. 2 MS. STEBBINS: Mm-hmm, and those are in the 3 changes. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They're in there. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I've got a lot of comments. 6 MS. STEBBINS: Well, do you want to send the 7 comments, and we can revisit it later? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we need to -- either 9 need an agenda item to discuss them, or a workshop to discuss 10 them. Because, I mean, I read some of these things, and, I 11 mean, it's not really just -- you almost rewrite it. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's make them an agenda 13 item. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, first of all, let's post them 15 somewhere. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Post them on the website, at 17 least; get Trolinger to, so that people can see. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: How about we post them on the 19 bulletin board out there? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the website. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And do another public hearing 23 at our next meeting. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 4-27-15 58 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, sir? 4 MR. HENNEKE: Judge, if I may, I have a couple 5 comments, without having read these, but just in general. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Uh-huh. 7 MR. HENNEKE: If I may proceed? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Sure, go ahead. 9 MR. HENNEKE: My name is Fred Henneke. Good 10 morning, gentlemen and Buster. (Laughter.) No. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Nice to see you. 13 MR. HENNEKE: 2595 Bandera Highway. I live on Flat 14 Rock Lake. And as part of your consideration of these rules, 15 I'd like you to take into consideration the need for 16 restrictions on watercraft, at least on Flat Rock Lake. As 17 I'm sure you're all familiar, the lake was created by damning 18 up the Guadalupe to the east. When they did that, they did 19 not go in and remove the tree stumps that are on the far 20 side. They were on the Ag Barn side of the lake. The 21 channel is on my side of the lake. As a result, I guess all 22 the speed boats and all the jet skis are running up and down 23 on this side of the lake, and it's dangerous. I have been 24 swimming in the lake when I had a wakeborder come as close as 25 me and the wall, and it's not an uncommon occurrence, because 4-27-15 59 1 they don't have any place else to go. The jet skis stay a 2 little bit further away, but the wakeboarders, you don't know 3 what they're going to do. You got a boat flying down the 4 middle of the channel and the wakeborder cutting back and 5 forth, and you don't know where they're going to go, and it's 6 dangerous. And you also have to take into consideration the 7 people down at the park who are renting paddle-type craft, 8 kayaks, canoes to get out in the lake as well. It's 9 dangerous. And I believe, subject, of course, to 10 confirmation by the County Attorney, that creates a liability 11 issue for the County, because that's a county facility. 12 I've complained to the Parks and -- Texas Parks and 13 Wildlife before. They say, "Well, unless we see it happen, 14 we can't do anything about it." And I said, "Well, when one 15 of them runs over my dog, I'll bring you the body, and will 16 you do something about it then?" They didn't appreciate that 17 comment, but it's legitimate. It's a serious concern, and 18 it's a safety concern, and it's also a concern on the 19 situation of the lake, because those watercraft coming that 20 close to the bank create a tremendous amount of erosion. 21 I've probably lost 3 feet of bank in the 10 years that I've 22 owned that property. My suggestion to you is that you 23 consider some sort of restriction on -- on motorcraft on that 24 lake, at least. I don't want to do away with the fishermen. 25 I enjoy fishermen; I like to get out there some myself. 4-27-15 60 1 Something like no more than 45-horse motors or no-wakes, or 2 that -- something like that. 3 Another totally unreasonable, unpractical solution 4 would be to drain the lake and dredge the whole thing so they 5 could go play over there instead of in this narrow strip 6 which used to be the channel. So, I'm just asking you all to 7 consider these, to take into consideration the use and the 8 practices of the watercraft on Flat Rock Lake, at least, and 9 there may be some concerns out at Center Point Lake as well. 10 But it's not -- it's not a good situation, and it's getting 11 worse. So -- 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Fred, I agree with you, and 13 I think the way to address that, in my opinion, is gasoline 14 engines. No gasoline engines. That way you could put -- a 15 fisherman can put his trolling motor in, or battery-operated, 16 and piddle round. But I saw -- I saw a boat come down 17 through there the other day out in the middle, closer to you 18 than they were our property, and he was just flying like it 19 was a -- a major lake or something. And sure enough, he hit 20 the bottom or hit something, and his engine flew up in the 21 air, and the little girl almost fell out. And, I mean, it 22 was awful. They were still sitting out there when I left. 23 MR. HENNEKE: We got a situation on the lake last 24 summer where I was in a paddle boat with my two grandsons, 25 and a jet ski came flying around the island right at us. He 4-27-15 61 1 didn't get close enough to do any damage, but it scared the 2 bee-waddle out of my grandsons. When I was on the board of 3 the L.C.R.A., we had an incident on Lake Travis where some 4 people were out in a cigarette boat, and they'd been enjoying 5 probably too much adult beverages, and they cut in half a ski 6 boat; killed three people. Just went right through the 7 middle of it. So, when you mix different types of watercraft 8 as well as people swimming, enjoying the lake, you create a 9 dangerous situation. So, I urge you all to think about that 10 and -- and take it into consideration when you do these 11 rules. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fred, I think I've heard this 13 from a lot of people, same thing you're expressing. Either 14 limit the size of the -- the motor, 5-horsepower, no 15 gasoline, something like that. Because that is a dangerous 16 lake with all the trees and the stumps, visible and not 17 visible. And the same thing has been expressed at -- on the 18 Guadalupe River down at Lions Park. It's silted up, and 19 they're experiencing the same kind of things down there. 20 What -- I have a question that I don't know the answer. Does 21 the County have the authority to do that, or is that Texas 22 Parks and Wildlife, or some combination thereof? 23 MS. STEBBINS: I don't know the answer, but I think 24 it depends. I think the answer is, it depends on -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I thought maybe Fred may have 4-27-15 62 1 looked at that. 2 MR. HENNEKE: I was under the belief that it was a 3 county facility, so the County had the ability to regulate 4 it. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The State owns the water; 6 that's all I know. 7 MR. HENNEKE: The Parks and Wildlife can enforce 8 the safety requirements, and they're statewide, and they do 9 periodically. But I think the County has the ability to 10 impose restrictions. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's something we need to 12 look into, is what authority we have. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: I agree with that. It's a 14 dangerous situation, and since we're aware of it, I think -- 15 I think it would be incumbent upon us to try to address the 16 issue. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: I have some concerns about electric 19 motors being the only way, because next thing you know, 20 they'll have an electric motor that can go 100 miles an hour, 21 too. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Tesla's developing one. 23 (Laughter.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: So -- so that's going to have to be 25 addressed, I think. And it probably is going to end up being 4-27-15 63 1 us, but let's look into it and see who has the authority to 2 do it. And -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good point, Fred. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: -- it's certainly something we need 5 to address. 6 MR. HENNEKE: Thank you, gentlemen. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hey, Fred, good to see you. 8 MR. HENNEKE: You too, always. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you have any comments on it? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: There's just one. You define 11 what a weapon is, but there's nothing in the rules that say 12 anything about that, why we even define it. 13 MS. STEBBINS: There was something in the rules 14 that said something about that. I think that we just forgot 15 to take that part out. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Weapons allowed? Even open carry? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I hope not. There's nothing 18 in the rules that say anything, but yet one of the 19 definitions is a weapon, and I didn't know if I was missing 20 something -- 21 MS. STEBBINS: No. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- or what, but I don't see -- 23 MS. STEBBINS: You're not. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Which I don't have any problem 25 with it. I think the State's going to be open carry, but I 4-27-15 64 1 just didn't know why it's in there. 2 MS. STEBBINS: There was -- in the proposed rules 3 before, there was a restriction on weapons, and -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We took it out. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think just -- are you 7 finished, Sheriff? I have a couple of -- these are pretty 8 general comments. Area covered, I think we need to define 9 exactly what we're talking about. It says here "apply to 10 county parks." Well, I'm -- you know, we have a lot of 11 properties, and we need to make sure we know what -- I think 12 in my mind, I'm thinking of Flat Rock, Ingram, and Lions. 13 But, you know, Flat Rock becomes -- what is Flat Rock? Is it 14 the whole Ag Barn? Is it just that part there? Is it Little 15 League fields? Is it River Star? I think we need to really 16 be clear as to where -- what we're talking about for a park. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: So you're suggesting some surveying 18 by the County Surveyor? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think probably -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Definition. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think you can do it under a 22 plat, or just identify off of -- you know, but I do know that 23 you need to have -- I'm thinking of the Sheriff. I mean, he 24 has to know where he's enforcing it. Ingram. What is 25 Ingram, I mean, exactly? Is it -- you know, so some of that. 4-27-15 65 1 And the other thing -- 2 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't see how you can do it 3 without some surveying, because if you get close to the 4 boundaries, are they inside or outside the boundaries, in 5 order to enforce it? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So -- 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: There's a lot of things in 8 here I'm not sure we can enforce, you know. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think what this has done, it 10 says, "Here it is." Let's all think about it, and -- 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And let's have a workshop. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- let's have a workshop. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: A lot of questions. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I think -- I think the 15 public needs to see it, so -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- let's get it on the 18 website. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Get it posted on the bulletin 20 board. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Get it posted on the bulletin 22 board, schedule a workshop, and let the public know about it 23 and people like Fred, and -- 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I think we need to set it off at 25 least 30 days before the workshop to give people time -- 4-27-15 66 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: -- to see it, digest it. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There isn't anything urgent 4 about this; it's just something that needs to be done. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Before we post it, though, we 6 need to make sure, whoever's got the master copy, that our 7 numbering is consistent, because we skip a lot of numbers. 8 MS. STEBBINS: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We go -- there's no number 5; 10 it goes 4, 6. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we've got the other 12 Commissioners' attention. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 10, 11, 13. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I also want to look at what 16 our offenses -- I use the Penal Code, yes, but most of this, 17 we never figure the Penal Code. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, good. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You know, if you get Voelkel 21 to survey the thing, he's going to come in here with a -- a 22 piece of wood of the county and all the little parks. 23 (Laughter.) 24 MR. VOELKEL: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And -- 4-27-15 67 1 MR. VOELKEL: Ben and me. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Lee and Ben. Ben and Lee. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the result of the public 6 hearing, but we can't comment on it -- can we talk about our 7 plan, or we just put it on the agenda for next time? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: I think we'll just put it on the 9 agenda for about a month from now. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But to set us a workshop. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Schedule one. 12 MS. STEBBINS: Yes. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Where'd Jody go? All 14 right, that's all on that agenda item. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's see. All right. 16 Anything to go into closed session about? All right. Any 17 reports? Any reports from Commissioners or liaison/committee 18 assignments? Have you got anything? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me start something and let 21 the -- Jonathan finish it. We met with the director of -- 22 Kathleen -- what's her name? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jackson. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jackson from Texas -- I mean, 25 from Water Development Board, last week. She traveled over 4-27-15 68 1 here. We looked at the Center Point Wastewater system, took 2 her on a tour through that. She was very attentive to what 3 we were doing. And what we're trying to do is make sure that 4 we have recognition from people in Legislature, and 5 especially part of this budget process. And looks like there 6 may be $50 million -- is that right? -- in there for the 7 whole state for two years. And this is a $30 million-plus 8 project, so we continue to do that. I just highlight that. 9 Jonathan, add to it. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll just add a few things. 11 Pretty much Tom summed it up, but it was a very -- you know, 12 Charlie helped us. He went along as well. We had a meeting 13 at Road and Bridge with Director Jackson and her chief of 14 staff and kind of went through the whole project. We've done 15 the same thing with Mr. Bruun -- Director Bruun, so that is 16 two out of the three directors that have now come down here 17 for a site visit. We spent probably an hour and 45 minutes, 18 two hours with both of those directors, and I think it's -- 19 one, I'm -- hats off to the directors for taking the time to 20 come over here. They were in Fredericksburg, so they didn't 21 have to come all the way from Austin and spend the afternoon 22 in the Kerr County meeting. But they're really interested in 23 the project. They really -- they saw the areas; they truly 24 understand the need we have, the water quality issues that 25 we're facing, septic issues. Those -- you know, we've -- I 4-27-15 69 1 couldn't be happier they came over. I think that we're going 2 to be ranked very high again. Their biggest concern is 3 justifying basically two-thirds of their budget for one 4 project for over a two-year period. And -- but they also 5 understood that -- you know, that they're helping the -- 6 basically, an economically depressed area, for the most part, 7 with the project, and that the people -- that, you know, the 8 more they can -- we can roll into EDAP and through the grant 9 funding, the lower the rates will be to the users that need 10 potential assistance already. So, I think it went real well; 11 I think we're going to end up, I think, with some EDAP 12 funding. How much we'll find out later. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you talking about a fund 14 statewide that we carve out a little bit for us? Or -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're hoping to carve out about 16 half of it. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But part of it also goes -- you 19 know, they've already invested close to probably $3 million 20 in this project. I mean, they know that we are a small 21 community, small county, and that it's an expensive project, 22 but also they're very much in favor. It's kind of a 23 regional -- we're using, you know, Kendall County W.C.I.D., 24 and it's a large area that -- and water quality is a very 25 important issue. So, I think we're going to get a big chunk 4-27-15 70 1 of the 50 million. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask you a question. 3 Last week, Judge Pollard and I were in San Antonio, and I saw 4 some money come through there for Kerr County, a different 5 operation. Why -- why don't I see that kind of money come 6 through down there? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's probably the funding 8 mechanism by the federal government. The EDAP funds and the 9 Clean Water funds come through the water -- go from the State 10 to the Water Development Board, and then they dole it out, so 11 it doesn't go through the COG system. There may be some 12 funding or some opportunity -- 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You'd be amazed at some of 14 the similar things, though, that come through down there. I 15 just don't see why they -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just like Kerrville South 17 comes from Texas Department of Agriculture. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We need to get anything to 19 flow through COG, so -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That would be of what benefit? 21 That would be of what benefit? 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, we have a little 23 authority there. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But if you don't need more 25 authority to do something, why ask for it? 4-27-15 71 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, yeah, I mean, I don't 2 know. I'm sure that there are funds there. We got an email 3 from the -- Clay Schultz from the Water Development Board 4 last week saying that there was some new funds that are freed 5 up from Department of Agriculture that we should look at as 6 well, so we continue to look at different sources. The 7 attractiveness of the EDAP funding is, especially with the 8 determination -- the larger the nuisance finding we can get 9 from the Department of Health, which we're working on, we can 10 get up to 90 percent, 90/10 project, with us having to pay 11 10 percent of the 33 million, as opposed to -- Clean Water is 12 a 50/50 project. So, the further we can move it down in the 13 EDAP side and push the nuisance side of it, the greater the 14 percentage of -- what it does is it saves the taxpayers of 15 Kerr County -- well, taxpayers in the area of the project a 16 lot of money, 'cause this -- you know, the revenue -- or the 17 revenue that comes out of the sewer system will pay off the 18 debt. It's not coming out of our general funds. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I appreciate -- you have big 21 eyes for the -- to get the -- anticipating getting a lot out 22 of that 50 million for the whole state. I would suspect 23 you're going to get a lot less than 50 percent. I hope I'm 24 wrong. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'll be optimistic. 4-27-15 72 1 JUDGE POLLARD: I appreciate your optimism, but it 2 doesn't sound like -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 'Cause our strategy is talking 4 to everybody downstream. "We're sending it your way. How 5 would you like to help us clean it up?" 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We've spent a fair amount of 7 time with the Legislature, something different this time, 8 really lobbying for the project. And lots of times Water 9 Development Board's -- you know, their directors came. Be 10 nice if we could get Chairman Rubinstein to come down too, 11 but his schedule's pretty hectic. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think it's pretty neat 13 that you had somebody come down, take a look at what you were 14 doing. That's not real common, I don't think. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, it isn't. And so -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Spent hours with her, too. 17 She wasn't in a hurry. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hey, Judge Pollard, why 19 don't you talk just a minute about this tour that you and I 20 took in San Antonio while the Sheriff's in the room? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a good idea. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, thank you. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: We had a -- we had a tour of this 24 new police academy training facility that AACOG operates down 25 in San Antonio. I -- some of the specific figures, they 4-27-15 73 1 have, I think, between 20,000 and 21,000 square feet 2 dedicated in one building. That does not include some 3 meeting rooms upstairs that are also included in it. It's a 4 kind -- it's a real state-of-the-art facility. I got a 5 chance to even shoot a little bit there with one of their 6 pistols, and managed to get a -- get a terrorist right in the 7 middle, I think six out of seven in a little circle like 8 this. And the seventh one was about two inches out. Anyway, 9 this thing is all really -- it's set up where the first one 10 we watched -- we went in, and it's a room, and it was set up 11 all electronically. The officer -- the trainee goes in with 12 a firearm, and it's set up for an active shooter situation in 13 a school, like the Columbine thing out there. So, he goes 14 into the front door, and you got an active shooter jumping up 15 on the left. 16 First thing you see is a student wounded, screaming 17 and hollering at you. And, boy, this thing is realistic as 18 everything. I mean, a lot of commotion going on, a lot of 19 screaming, hollering, and all of a sudden, loud firearms 20 going off where they're shooting at -- at the policeman, the 21 trainee going through. And then he shoots back, and you got 22 two jumping up on the right and one jumping up on the left 23 over here. This thing -- really amazing, and it's a 24 wraparound deal. He's walking up into it, then he goes down 25 the hall, and it shows him going down the hall, going into 4-27-15 74 1 different rooms and all that, different situations in there. 2 And they could set it up for just about any kind of thing you 3 want to do. In fact, they did set one up for an active 4 shooter in the front entrance of the AACOG building down 5 there, which was -- when we walked in the front, we could see 6 that, and they had an active shooter situation right there. 7 So, the training is amazing. And there's a workout room, a 8 physical -- there's physical training involved in it, lots of 9 really good-looking equipment, all kinds of portable walls 10 and the kinds of things where, in a big area -- open area, 11 where you can set up any kind of a situation you wanted to. 12 There's a stairwell in there that they can use to simulate 13 working a stairwell in a multi-story building, going up with 14 active shooters in that. I mean, this thing is -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Apartments. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: -- state of the art, and I was 17 really impressed with it. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the apartment with the 19 living room and dining room. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The whole thing set up in 22 there. It's unbelievable. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You guys realize that while 24 you're talking, Rusty's got his ears open. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's what we want. 4-27-15 75 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I know. He's thinking, "Man, 2 I need something like that too." 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, my understanding is, Rusty, 4 that it's pretty well subsidized, and the cost isn't all that 5 great for it. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: AACOG cost has gone 7 extravagant. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Has it? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Compared to what we're used to 10 with our budget. I couldn't come close. Because we do a lot 11 of training with them, and most of it got -- I've got four 12 employees putting themselves through the academy right now, 13 okay, after hours. Peace officer academy. But the costs are 14 extremely high when you're talking about that kind of stuff. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I bet. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, Commissioner Baldwin went 17 along on a recon mission because his son's going to be in the 18 next class. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But was he hiding behind some 20 of this stuff? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: No, I didn't see him down there. 22 But he's -- he's supposed to -- he's leaving the border 23 patrol and joining the K.P.D., I understand, and he's got to 24 go through this training down there. Anyway, it's supposed 25 to be a really -- it's really great. 4-27-15 76 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's fabulous training. We 2 have all -- we were an off-site training joint deal with 3 them; we still have all the equipment. But they didn't have 4 quite the internet speed, T-1 lines, all that, and it didn't 5 work. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, I participated in some of 7 your off-site deal, I think. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. It didn't work the way 9 they wanted. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But they've got a good 12 training facility. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: What -- how much did I miss there? 14 You want to add anything to that? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, you did good. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right, any other reports 17 from any -- anybody else? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I have nothing, no. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: None? 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: None. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you have anything further, 22 Jonathan? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, sir. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Reports from boards or 25 commissions or committees? Or from elected officials or 4-27-15 77 1 heads of departments? Anybody? Raise your hands, step up. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Lee? 3 MR. VOELKEL: No reports. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Have you received your 5 salary increase? 6 MR. VOELKEL: Not yet. I'm hoping it's in the 7 mail. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's coming. It's coming. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's doubled, isn't it? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Tripled. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We've offered every year. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any reports on joint 13 city/county projects? I think we had one of those reports 14 already today, or comments on it by Commissioner Letz. 15 Anybody else have any comments? And we don't have anything 16 to go into closed session about, and unless there's anything 17 else -- 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I've got a question. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm curious about the 21 recycling center, what the status is. I had heard -- I had 22 heard that they evaluated to see how many city residents use 23 it and how many county residents use it. And my wife and all 24 her little friends go over there once or twice a week, and 25 they've never been asked that question at all. And the word 4-27-15 78 1 was that -- that they -- the City is moving out and building 2 their own, and that there was a lot more city people using it 3 than county. Well, after that message came out and hit the 4 streets, they did start asking people, "Are you from the city 5 or the county?" And so I went over there last week myself 6 and hauled stuff in there. Man, they didn't ask me anything, 7 so I'm wondering -- I keep hearing that the City's leaving, 8 pulling out of the property and building their own facility 9 and their service. And I, as a commissioner of Precinct 1, 10 would like to know about that. You know, we have a property 11 there. Are we -- are they not going to provide recycling 12 service for the county -- county citizens or not? I mean, 13 it's hard to tell any more what -- what they're going to do, 14 but I think we need to know that. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: I think so. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or we could ask them to come 17 over here and give us a report, but that didn't work so well 18 last time. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That doesn't work real well. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I think it's -- you 21 know, I agree totally. I think that if they are -- we should 22 at least know what the plan is for the facility. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, I don't want to get 4-27-15 79 1 into the details like what got them upset last time. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Since there's an interlocal 3 agreement. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Interlocal agreement, which I 5 haven't looked at, but I think it's probably a 90-day notice 6 or something like that. Or maybe -- it's -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it's more like -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- five years, I know. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe so. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Five years, because we missed 11 it at the -- we just renewed it for five -- I think five 12 years or 10 years -- it was five years -- December 31st. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That is correct. But I 14 guess they can get up and leave any time they want to. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Depends on what the interlocal 16 agreements says. 17 MR. HASTINGS: If they're going to vacate that 18 facility, don't -- the County owns that facility -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 20 MR. HASTINGS: -- and the property, so if they're 21 going to be vacating, I'd like to see if I can put some Road 22 and Bridge equipment in there. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'd all like to know. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We thought we'd sell it. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you need a place to put Road and 4-27-15 80 1 Bridge equipment? 2 MR. HASTINGS: I'm always looking for places to 3 store material for Road and Bridge. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a pretty high-rent -- 5 pretty valuable piece of property. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But we understand your need. 7 MR. HASTINGS: I just put it out there. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, it also fits with our 10 question about trying to find out what properties the County 11 owns, and if there are properties that -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: -- are excess, we need to consider 14 converting those into properties that can be -- we do need. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, I agree totally with 16 that. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: My point is, do we need to 18 provide a recycling service for our citizens? See, that's my 19 question. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think there's a very 21 evident need, just from what went on up at Hunt -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- two months ago. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Also, there's some legislation 25 being proposed to enable the private sector to do that, and 4-27-15 81 1 ask us if we'd consider passing a resolution to support that. 2 We identified it on the agenda, but we didn't take any action 3 on it, so maybe we need to bring that back up also next -- 4 next court session. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, does there need to be 6 somebody in charge of this? Maybe a two-person committee on 7 the Commissioners Court, or -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, probably whoever's 9 precinct it's in would be a good idea. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd make some inquires about it 11 generally from all of those respects, though. And then 12 somebody to -- with official status that could talk to the 13 City. "Hey, what are you doing?" 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll contact the City Manager. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's my precinct. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There you go. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A friendly talk, not asking 19 them to come over here. They would be worried. I'll just 20 find out, see if they're willing -- or what their plans are. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Maybe y'all could meet 22 halfway. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Middle of the street? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The middle of the street. 25 (Laughter.) 4-27-15 82 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Anything else? If not, then 3 I'll entertain a motion to adjourn. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that we 7 adjourn. Any further discussion? There being none, those in 8 favor, signify by raising your right hand. 9 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 10 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. This may be a 11 record. 12 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 10:30 a.m.) 13 - - - - - - - - - - 14 15 STATE OF TEXAS | 16 COUNTY OF KERR | 17 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 18 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 19 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 20 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 21 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 29th day of April, 2015. 22 23 REBECCA BOLIN, Kerr County Clerk 24 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 25 Certified Shorthand Reporter 4-27-15