1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Regular Session 10 Monday, May 11, 2015 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X May 11, 2015 2 PAGE 3 --- Visitors' Input 5 --- Commissioners' Comments 7 4 1.1 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 5 request to put a door in County Court at Law office for an emergency exit 9 6 1.2 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for 7 Court approval to fill a fully funded mechanic position in Road and Bridge 23 8 1.3 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for 9 Court’s final approval regarding Kerrwest Ranch Development, Precinct 4 24 10 1.4 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to 11 accept preliminary plat for RSBR-Highway No. 27 Subdivision, Precinct 2 27 12 1.5 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 13 amendment to and/or revision of Kerr County Juvenile Detention Facility Policy and Procedure 14 Manual 33 15 1.6 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request to add speed bumps on some residential 16 streets in Center Point -- 17 1.7 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept annual contract for Computer Information 18 Concepts (CIC) and have County Judge sign same 35 19 1.9 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to accept lease agreement for new Workcentre 3615DN 20 (copier/scanner) with Xerox; authorize County Judge to sign same 36 21 1.8 Consider/discuss and take appropriate action to 22 accept resignation of Linda Hott, supervisor of Motor Vehicle Department, and request to hire new 23 employee 38 24 1.10 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on presentation of Airport FY16 Budget 40 25 3 1 I N D E X (Continued) May 11, 2015 2 PAGE 3 1.11 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to fill one vacant/budgeted position in Auditor’s 4 office, step and grade 22.1 51 5 1.12 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to allow Maintenance Department to hire part-time 6 help for months of June, July and August, funds to come from 10-513-108 (Part-Time Salaries) 53 7 1.13 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action for 8 a resolution amending Authorized Representatives on Kerr County’s Tex Pool Account; allow County 9 Judge to sign same 54 10 1.14 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to open responses to Request for Proposals for 11 Management Services at Hill Country Youth Event Center; refer for evaluation and recommendation, 12 and act on such recommendation, if any 55 13 1.15 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to fill vacancy on AACOG’s Criminal Justice Advisory 14 Committee left by resignation of Bill Blackburn 59 15 1.16 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to proceed with Phase 2 of adding RV/Electrical 16 Hookups at Hill Country Youth Event Center 60 17 1.18 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action to approve budget calendar for FY 2015-2015 63 18 1.17 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action 19 regarding request to vacate easement on property located on River Drive in Kerrville 71 20 1.22 Public Hearing on request to vacate easement on 21 property located on River Drive in Kerr County 72 22 1.23 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on request to vacate easement on property located 23 on River Drive in Kerr County 73 24 1.19 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding proposed new judicial district for 25 Kendall County 89 4 1 I N D E X (Continued) May 11, 2015 2 PAGE 4.1 Pay Bills 101 3 4.2 Budget Amendments 102 4.3 Late Bills --- 4 4.4 Approve and Accept Monthly Reports 104 5 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee Assignments --- 6 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department Heads 105 7 1.20 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action regarding pending litigation (Executive Session) --- 8 1.21 Consider/discuss, take appropriate action on 9 enforcement of approved personnel policies (Executive Session) --- 10 3.1 Action as may be required on matters discussed 11 in Executive Session 111 12 --- Adjourned 112 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 On Monday, May 11, 2015, at 9:00 a.m., a regular 2 meeting of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's Monday, May the 8 11th, 2015, and it's 9 a.m., and the Kerr County 9 Commissioners Court is in session. Number one in our hearts 10 and minds, Commissioner Baldwin will lead us this morning. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. If 12 you'd rise, we'll say a word of prayer and then the pledge of 13 allegiance. 14 (Prayer and pledge of allegiance.) 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. This is the public 17 speaking/visitor input part. I've only got one request, and 18 that's from Lee Voelkel to step forward, please. 19 MR. VOELKEL: Good morning, Commissioners and 20 Judge. Thank you. This morning I'm sidetracked here. I was 21 going to come up here and say something, and then I think I 22 heard that today might be Mr. Baldwin's birthday. And if it 23 is, I would like to wish you a happy birthday, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. Cash works, too. 25 MR. VOELKEL: I asked Don, "What do you think, 5-11-15 6 1 about 66?" And he said, "86." So if he's close, I don't 2 know. The other item is my good buddy, Ben Graves, continues 3 to show up at the courthouse with all kinds of goodies. 4 Today he has brought the muy grande Texas map for the County 5 Clerk's office. I think he had worked with the clerk and had 6 promised her one, so we're here this morning -- if you would 7 allow him to present that to the Clerk, please. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Absolutely. Wow. 9 MR. VOELKEL: Ben? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Ben, you need to get a job. 11 (Laughter.) 12 MR. VOELKEL: That's a big one. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's a big state, isn't 14 it? We could be in Michigan; we could hold it with one hand. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Rhode Island. 16 MS. BECKY BOLIN: Thank you. 17 (Applause.) 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Hey, Ben, I've got a question. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Ben? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Ben, I've got a question. 21 MR. VOELKEL: Ben? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Hey, Ben, how do you get the 23 profile of each one of the counties? 24 MR. GRAVES: Well, I looked for a long time, 25 because I had a good friend from Minnesota that started a 5-11-15 7 1 business here, and he came down for the wintertime, but he 2 did it by the Texas map. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. 4 MR. GRAVES: The county -- you know, the highway 5 map. If you try to trace all them counties, can't do it. I 6 talked to the Highway Department out here, and a gentleman 7 overheard me and said, "I've got just what you want," in the 8 back of the -- one of his magazines, county Texas map. It 9 had that -- that's it. It's exactly -- if you'll watch the 10 Weather Channel, it's the same -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 12 MR. GRAVES: -- as the Weather Channel maps. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very good. All right. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, thank you very much. 15 MR. GRAVES: Okay, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Very good, thank you. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there anyone else wishing to 18 speak in this part of the -- part of it? If so, step 19 forward. All right, there being none, let's go to 20 Commissioners' comments. We'll start with Precinct 1. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's see. Yeah, I -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Is it your birthday? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- I wanted to say 24 something. (Laughter.) 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh. 5-11-15 8 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What is this, Police Week or 2 what? 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Law Enforcement Week. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Law Enforcement Week in the 5 United States. And my little boy is in Washington, and today 6 he will present an American flag to the unknown soldier's 7 grave, and then tomorrow he gets with some pretty high-level 8 dudes and they do some flag stuff. So he's -- he's having a 9 ball. Man, what a great honor it is for him to be able to do 10 some of those things. But that's all. I'm still praying for 11 rain. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is it your birthday? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, it is my birthday. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, happy birthday. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you very much. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I hope y'all don't try to 18 spend over 100 on me this year. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Each? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Each. Oh, absolutely, each. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm going to pass. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I'll pass. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll pass. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I have nothing, Judge. 5-11-15 9 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. Let's go to Item 2 1.1 on the agenda; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 3 action on request to put a door in the County Court at Law 4 office for an emergency exit. Judge Harris and Tim Bollier. 5 Hi, Tim. 6 MR. BOLLIER: Hello, sir. How are y'all this 7 morning? Happy birthday, Buster. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. 9 MR. BOLLIER: I have talked to the fire marshal 10 about this door myself. I think Diane has something she 11 would like to say. But when I talked to the fire marshal -- 12 and I understand that we need a -- that Judge Harris does 13 need a way out of that office, but I'll just report that 14 Judge Harris does not -- I mean, the fire marshal says there 15 is not a door required because of the age of the building, 16 and that the travel distance has to be less -- not greater 17 than 75 feet. And if you snake through there -- if you do 18 cut a door in there, it can't be an exit door, because you 19 have to snake through to get back to the back, which is 20 greater than 75 feet. The County -- or the County is not in 21 violation of anything. There's no violations there. He said 22 there's room for concerns. He had -- he does not like the 23 idea of County Court at Law having more than 50 people in it 24 at a time because of the -- the exit situation, and has asked 25 for the Judge to monitor that and -- you know, and try to 5-11-15 10 1 keep that under control. 2 And I have went out; I have talked to my liaison. 3 My liaison asked me to go out and get some bids to put a 4 regular door in there, which I have done that, and I can do 5 that for under five -- around $500 or less, as long as I 6 don't have any problems with wiring problems. You know, 7 there's a fire alarm there in that wall. There's some 8 electrical wiring in that wall, and I don't know where that 9 does -- where it goes. If I open it up, I'll -- if have I to 10 call in an electrician, that's what I have to do. If I have 11 to call in Simplex, the fire alarm people, that's what I will 12 have to do. And then Ms. Bolin here has a concern, and I'll 13 let her explain it herself. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tim, before -- 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The memo you sent has a price 17 of 7,713. 18 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. That's not -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You just said 500. 20 MR. BOLLIER: That's my price for a regular door. 21 That there is a fire-rated door, an exit door, fixed up just 22 like any exit door should be. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 24 MR. BOLLIER: Okay? And that -- that is without 25 the hardware, okay? When you add the hardware in there -- 5-11-15 11 1 and if you notice, that bid also said not the electrical 2 work, just like I said, if there's a problem there. But we 3 don't know that until we get in that wall. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. And your price of $500, 5 what -- what kind of door -- 6 MR. BOLLIER: It's a solid-core wood door. I would 7 put it in just like a regular door. I would put the casing 8 in, and I would put that in there. And my idea is, unless 9 the Court has a different idea, is to put a flip handle on 10 Judge Harris' side, and just the round part on the other 11 side. No entrance, no nothing. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 13 MR. BOLLIER: That's my idea. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: And match the wooden doors? 15 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that would end -- both 18 prices are materials only? 19 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 21 MS. BOLIN: Okay. Let me give you my concerns on 22 the door. Where they're proposing to put it is outside the 23 jury room door into the middle part of my office where my 24 taxpayers stand in line. There is a table in the jury room 25 as long as this table or longer that has chairs around it. 5-11-15 12 1 Where is that going to go? How is that going to be a 2 feasible exit out of her office, through my office? To 3 funnel the people from her office through my office, through 4 I.T., and out the back to the loading dock, they have to go 5 past my vault. While all of this is going on, I'm trying to 6 secure my office, taxpayer money, other entities' money. 7 It's -- to me, it's just not feasible. I talked to the fire 8 marshal as well; I talked to Chris. He told me it had to be 9 over 200 feet, and he walked it off. And just for his walk, 10 he said it was over 200 feet. I don't know about the 75; I 11 don't know who Tim talked to. But he came in; he actually 12 looked at everything. 13 I walked with Judge Harris last Tuesday through her 14 office and told her where I thought a good exit would be, 15 which would be right outside this brick wall where the jury 16 box is. There's a space, and there's a perfect place to put 17 a door. It's easy access right here immediately to the 18 outside. She agreed. But then that's extra money because of 19 the brick facade. My big thing is security. I have to keep 20 my office secure. If she has access, I cannot lock that door 21 per the fire marshal, because then they don't have access. 22 But then anybody who works for her would have to be bonded 23 directly to me. That's per my bonding company. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Diane, on this point, I've got 25 a bit of an issue. If there's a fire in the courthouse and 5-11-15 13 1 that's the only exit, everyone in the courthouse is going out 2 through there, and we're not all bonded. I mean, the reality 3 is, in an emergency situation, I don't care about bonds; I 4 care about lives. So if that was the situation -- you know, 5 so that issue isn't that much of a concern of mine. The -- 6 and you were -- I don't know if you were here when we talked 7 about this, but this issue -- fire is a minor concern to me. 8 I'm more concerned about security. They have a lot of 9 court -- of volatile situations potentially in that 10 courtroom. 11 MS. BOLIN: Right. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And from a law enforcement 13 standpoint, I want a way to get people out of there or law 14 enforcement into there. 15 MS. BOLIN: Mm-hmm. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is not a door that's going 17 to ever be used except in an emergency situation, so I think 18 the bonding thing doesn't make that much sense. And, you 19 know, cost is a concern to me, but the main thing to me is -- 20 is safety, and we need to have a way -- I think that Judge 21 Harris came in with a very good point; that in an emergency 22 situation, we have one way to get in and out of there, and I 23 think we need an alternative. This door hopefully will never 24 be used, wherever it's put, but it's -- you know, I'm not -- 25 I'm not overly sympathetic to disruption or moving a table, 5-11-15 14 1 or the fact that someone may have to be bonded in an 2 emergency, 'cause I don't think that's true. My concern is 3 safety of the public and that staff in there. 4 MS. BOLIN: Right. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And, you know, that's just kind 6 of my feeling. And maybe -- I don't know if you were here 7 when we talked about it. 8 MS. BOLIN: I was not. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's the concern. We're not 10 trying to get a door for people to use. Judge Harris -- like 11 I said, that door should never be used. And it's not -- the 12 fire was not the issue. Yes, in a fire situation, yes, I 13 want to have an alternative exit, but I'm more concerned 14 about hopefully if we have some sort of a law enforcement 15 issue that we need to get people out of there easily, or law 16 enforcement have an access in. 17 MS. BOLIN: Right. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's my concern. 19 MS. BOLIN: And, to me, having it come right out 20 this door -- out that side of the building right there onto 21 this ramp would be the most feasible, 'cause it puts them 22 immediately outside, out of harm's way. The Sheriff can have 23 a key to go in that way if he needs to. I mean, to me, that 24 would be the best route. And if it was my office, that's 25 where I'd be saying this is where it needs to be, to come 5-11-15 15 1 directly outside. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Are you saying where the 3 handrail is -- 4 MS. BOLIN: Uh-huh. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- out here? 6 MS. BOLIN: Like an exit right by her jury box. 7 There's -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Climb over the handrail? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you break the handrail, or 10 you don't have a handrail? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, you put a door there. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What kind of structural 13 problems would we run into? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we have to go through a 15 concrete -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a load-bearing wall. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's what I'm asking. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The other one's probably not. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Didn't we -- Buster, you're 20 probably the only one that may remember this, 'cause I don't. 21 Didn't we just put the brick on top of the concrete? So we 22 have -- 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That wall's several feet thick, 25 probably. Because we have the reinforced concrete panels 5-11-15 16 1 that were there, a space, and then the brick that we put on 2 when we did the renovation. So, anyway, it's possible. I 3 mean, I just -- to me, we need to address the issue. I'm not 4 that concerned where the door goes, but the cost is a 5 concern. I can ask Maintenance to find out -- get a rough 6 estimate for putting a door through here, but I suspect it's 7 going to be -- that's going to have to be a higher quality 8 door to be an exit door. 9 MS. BOLIN: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Diane? 12 MS. BOLIN: Yes, sir? 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This bonding issue, is this 14 something that you're concerned with, or is this some state 15 laws that affect -- 16 MS. BOLIN: There's no state laws. It's something 17 I'm concerned with, that the access to my office -- if 18 they're working on weekends and we're not, they have access 19 to the office, because that door cannot be locked per the 20 fire marshal. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Have you discussed it with the 22 bonding company? 23 MS. BOLIN: I have not. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I just -- I just don't 25 -- you know, I agree a little bit with Letz. I hate to admit 5-11-15 17 1 that. (Laughter.) But, you know, it's a safety issue. I 2 mean, I remember when this -- when all that noise started 3 down there with the new judge, that it was a fire issue. 4 What if we have a big fire outside the door? As if we're 5 going to have a big fire out there in the middle of that 6 hallway. But it's not -- that's not the issue. The issue is 7 safety for all the people that are in and out of that office. 8 And if -- I don't know if I can see it. If it's not a state 9 law controlling her bonding issue, we've got to go out that 10 way, if we provide ingress/egress at all. So, I don't see 11 that we have any choice. If -- if we're going to do 12 anything, it's got to go through her office. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think moving a table 14 is an issue. I mean, in an airplane, you have exit doors and 15 there's all kinds of trays and everything else that have to 16 be -- if you got to exit, you exit when you've got to. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just don't see it ever. 18 MS. BOLIN: And going past the vault when I'm 19 trying to secure the office and get the money in the vault is 20 not a concern? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think Jonathan's right. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a concern, but my -- I'm 23 more concerned about getting lives out if that's the only 24 exit out of the courthouse. Lives are more important than 25 the vault, I'm sorry. 5-11-15 18 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Absolutely. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Anyway -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Do you have anything 4 else to say, Diane? 5 MS. BOLIN: No, unless Rusty has something. I 6 haven't talked to him. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I have probably more than a 8 little bit to say about it, since I'm in charge of security 9 around this courthouse, and nobody's come to me about any of 10 this yet, okay? I think this courthouse -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I was coming to see you 12 today. (Laughter.) 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This courthouse has about 13 14 exits as it is right now. This courthouse -- I sent a letter 15 out several months ago about security in this courthouse, and 16 I think with the way this courthouse was designed and at the 17 time it was built and time of the addition, you've got about 18 the best security you're going to have. You already have two 19 exits out of there; you got the main courtroom exit and you 20 got the exit by her secretary's office. You can go either 21 way there. You can go across the hall and out that way. I 22 don't think we need to do anything at this time, because -- I 23 forget at this time -- I didn't print out a copy of the 24 letter I sent y'all that says how many security cameras we 25 have in the courthouse, how many emergency buzzers we have in 5-11-15 19 1 this courthouse. These cameras are all monitored here in the 2 courthouse and at my office, and if it's a security issue 3 that we're talking about, I think this courthouse is about as 4 secure as we're going to be able to get it, considering the 5 design it had. Now, I do agree that that courtroom is small, 6 and I do agree that there probably should be about a 7 50-person limit. That's what the fire marshal requests. 8 Because when you try to get 50 out of there in a hurry, I 9 don't care how many 3-foot doors you put in; it's going to be 10 a nightmare, okay? 11 It's -- I think that can be worked out with all 12 three of the judges, because a whole lot of times the two 13 district courtrooms upstairs are sitting empty. It may take 14 some judge changing their court dates around so that we don't 15 have so many courts on the same day of the week or whatever, 16 but those courtrooms can be utilized more and shared more, 17 and have a lot better exits up there even, okay? To where -- 18 you still have to either come down the stairs, two sets of 19 stairs, or you have to come down the elevator. But I think 20 there's a lot of things that can be done in reworking 21 scheduling at the courthouse than what we're doing right now. 22 And, you know, the other thing -- and I'm not trying to say 23 anything about being in here probably longer than I should 24 have, but when we get newly elected officials come in, 25 everybody wants to change something the first few months. I 5-11-15 20 1 think people need to back off and look at what we really have 2 and how it's going before we start trying to make a lot of 3 costly changes. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rusty, I think you have good 5 points. I think I'd ask that you talk to Judge Harris. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I intend to. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then we can discuss this. All 8 we're doing today was just trying to get costs. You know, we 9 accomplished that. 10 MS. BOLIN: Well, and I found out about this in the 11 newspaper when I came back from Pennsylvania. She never 12 spoke to me about it. Tim didn't talk to me until after I 13 got back, and I called him and was like, "Hey, what's the 14 deal here?" 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: She had spoke to me within the 16 first couple of weeks of taking office, but I explained to 17 her then I didn't see any big issue with what we have. But I 18 think we need to have another visit. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: I tend to agree with you, Sheriff, 21 that it's a scheduling problem, and it's something that 22 probably needs to be worked out between the three judges. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's exactly right. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No one judge owns the 25 courtroom, and they can all share them. 5-11-15 21 1 JUDGE POLLARD: There's no reason to schedule 2 things where you have 120 or 140 people in that small 3 courtroom at one time. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But, I mean, the -- 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's a scheduling problem. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But there's only one 8 ingress/egress out of the courtroom, correct? I mean, as I 9 -- and whereas in the other courtrooms, it's just one door in 10 the front. Are there two doors in the courtroom? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You can go in the back and 12 over to her office and out that -- out her door. 13 MR. BOLLIER: Straight from her bench. Straight 14 from her bench out into -- 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, there's two on the side 16 and one out the front of the courtroom. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was thinking there was just 18 one out the front door. 19 MS. BOLIN: No, there's three exits out of that 20 office. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Two on the sides and one out 22 the front. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Right. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Out of the courtroom. 25 MS. BOLIN: Right. 5-11-15 22 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Why don't we have the Sheriff 2 just look at it again, and then we -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We got the cost. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We know the cost. We can 5 take care of this at a later date. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Thank you. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: But the final analysis is going to 8 be the three judges. They're going to have to solve this. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I mean, if it's a -- it 10 depends what the issue is. If it's a scheduling issue, I 11 agree with you, Judge, but if it's a security or safety 12 issue, scheduling isn't an issue. It depends what the issue 13 is. And I'll turn it over to the Sheriff to look at that 14 part of it. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Thank you. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: See, I think the scheduling issue 17 exists anyway, period. Whether we put a door in or not, it's 18 still an issue. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And the important point here 20 is, the scheduling issue is between them. It has nothing to 21 do with this office -- this room right here. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Unless we decide to put the door 23 in, and that's our -- that's a separate issue. Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Rusty, you just need to do 25 your job. (Laughter.) 5-11-15 23 1 JUDGE POLLARD: You have something to say about 2 this? 3 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, sir. Judge Pollard, I want to 4 make sure you know that I.T. -- we've been asked by Judge 5 Harris to do as much as we could to prepare Courtroom 2 for 6 County Court at Law, and it's all computerized, every bit of 7 everything the County Attorney does and the clerk, so we've 8 done quite a bit of work over the past three weeks, and we're 9 pretty close to being able to use Courtroom 2. But like you 10 said, it is a scheduling issue, and we might be two weeks out 11 before we're ready to use the courtroom, I.T.-wise, 12 Courtroom 2. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: So they are moving forward to use 14 Courtroom 2? 15 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, sir. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Judge, I think there is an 17 issue; you may have to step into this, because I think you 18 have total control over assigning office space in a 19 courthouse, and I think if there's some issues on who gets to 20 use the courtrooms, that may have to have your intervention. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Anybody else wish to 24 speak on this issue? If not, we're going to move on to Item 25 1.2; consider, discuss, and take appropriate action for the 5-11-15 24 1 Court to approve filling a fully funded 19 mechanic position, 2 Precincts 1, 2, 3, and 4. Mr. Hastings? 3 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Road and Bridge has an 4 open Grade 19 mechanic position. It's fully funded, and we'd 5 like to fill that position. At this time, we're asking the 6 Court for their approval to fill this fully-funded Grade 19 7 mechanic position. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So moved, but I have a 10 question. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that the -- 13 that that position be filled. Any further discussion? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And just the way you said it, 15 but it's a 19.1 you're filling? 16 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, sir, 19.1. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further discussion? If 18 not, those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Item 1.3; 21 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action for the 22 Court's final approval regarding Kerrwest Ranch Development, 23 Precinct 4. Mr. Hastings? 24 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. The preliminary plat for 25 the Kerrwest Ranch Subdivision was considered and approved by 5-11-15 25 1 Commissioners Court in March of this year. Unauthorized 2 construction and testing of the subdivision commenced 3 sometime after that date. Once the County Engineer was aware 4 of the unauthorized construction, a construction meeting was 5 conducted to move forward with the project. At the time of 6 the construction meeting, the developer's contractor had 7 already cleared brush, installed storm drainage, prepared and 8 tested the subgrade and the base. This is a country lane 9 that is being constructed. There will not be an asphalt 10 course on the top or chip seal course on the top; it's just 11 going to be base will be the final course on there. So, for 12 all intents and purposes, the subdivision was complete. 13 Because the construction plans were incomplete at that time, 14 it was questionable whether or not the horizontal curve 15 located in front of Lots 1 and 8 would meet minimum radius 16 requirements, or a minimum requirement of 382 feet. 17 It was determined the course of action needed was 18 the following. This was at our construction meeting. The 19 designing engineer was to complete the plans and the 20 engineer's estimate of construction costs. There would need 21 to be some retesting of the subgrade and base to be shared by 22 Road and Bridge and the developer, unless the testing failed. 23 And the developer was to post a letter of credit in the 24 amount of any unfinished improvements in order to finalize 25 the plat today, on May 11th. Subsequent to that meeting, and 5-11-15 26 1 after further engineering design, the following was 2 discovered. There was a substandard horizontal curve radius; 3 it was only 200 feet instead of 382 at Lots 1 and 8. The 4 subgrade was not lime-stabilized. And all improvements were 5 complete, with the exception of establishing vegetation in 6 disturbed areas. The developer proposed to solve the 7 horizontal radius issue by installing a stop sign and a gate 8 at that location, which does resolve any kind of a speed 9 limit issue around that curve. 10 The -- we had a geotechnical engineer that reviewed 11 the lab results and explained that lime stabilization was not 12 necessary due to the high bearing capacity test results, so 13 that worked -- we got that worked out. We got the horizontal 14 radius curve worked out. And the developer has supplied us 15 with a check in lieu of a letter of credit in the amount of 16 the remaining improvements, which are installation of the 17 gate and the stop sign at the horizontal curve, to solve the 18 horizontal curve issue, as well as establishment of 19 vegetation in the disturbed areas. Because all these issues 20 have been worked out and resolved, at this time, we're asking 21 the Court for their final approval regarding the final plat 22 for Kerrwest Ranch Subdivision, and that is in Precinct 4. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Mr. Hastings, the roads 24 within this development will never -- unless they're brought 25 up, are not County-maintained, and no intention on us 5-11-15 27 1 maintaining them, correct? 2 MR. HASTINGS: Correct. And there is a note on the 3 plat to that effect. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval of the 5 agenda item. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded for 8 approval of agenda Item 1.3, which is final approval of 9 Kerrwest Ranch Development, Precinct 4. Is there any further 10 discussion? There being none, those in favor, signify by 11 raising your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 4-0, unanimous. Thank you, 14 Mr. Hastings. Item 1.4; consider, discuss, and take 15 appropriate action for the Court to accept the preliminary 16 plat for RSBR-Highway Number 27 Subdivision, George H. Harbor 17 Survey Number 39, Abstract Number 194, Precinct 2. Mr. 18 Hastings? 19 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. The preliminary plat for 20 the proposed RSBR-Highway Number 27 Subdivision is the result 21 of subdividing what appears to be 5.647 acres of unplatted 22 property into Lot 1, 1.36 acres, and the remainder unplatted 23 at 4.287 acres. The owner is seeking an exemption to 24 platting the remainder of the property under Section 1.03.G 25 of the Kerr County Subdivision Regulations, which states the 5-11-15 28 1 subdivision shall not be subject to the platting requirements 2 of these rules and regulations if a tract is divided into two 3 parts and one new part is retained by the owner, and the 4 other new part is to be transferred to another person who 5 will further subdivide the tract subject to plat approval 6 requirements contained herein, and the owner does not lay out 7 any part of the tract as described in Section 1.02.C, which 8 is a description of public improvements, which they do not 9 plan on doing. The proposed Lot 1 is located in a 10 high-density development area. They will have a community 11 water system and will be served by O.S.S.F. Therefore, the 12 minimum lot size is 1 acre. They're above that. In 13 addition, the lot once platted is proposed to be used as a 14 commercial development subdivision. At this time, we ask the 15 Court to provide direction concerning the applicant's Section 16 1.03.G exemption request and to approve the preliminary plat 17 for the one-lot RSBR-Highway Number 27 Subdivision, George W. 18 Harbour Survey Number 39, Abstract Number 194. This is in 19 Precinct 2. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what's the logic for 21 granting a waiver when it's not going to be further 22 subdivided? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's not -- the issue on it 24 is the exemption kind of fits and kind of doesn't fit. The 25 -- it's not going to be further subdivided. 5-11-15 29 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- part of the issue is if 3 we don't grant an exemption there -- and I'm not advocating 4 one way or the other, but if you don't grant -- the intent is 5 to get it platted, and the exemption gets us to get it 6 platted. If we don't do it this way, that means the 4.28 7 acres needs to be platted, and that opens up -- and as you're 8 very much aware, this is commercial property right along 9 Highway 27. The person that owns the rest of it is trying to 10 sell off the balance or part of that 4.28 acres also for 11 commercial, so if -- if the exemption isn't granted, then 12 he's got to plat a larger subdivision, and then, you know, 13 both lots have to become platted, and then there's some, you 14 know, potential -- there's a lot of structures on this other 15 lot. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's wrong with platting? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think he wants to right 18 now because he thinks this is an exemption. And the other 19 parts of it are, there's -- there are some -- I haven't 20 talked to Ray about this. There's a lot of septic systems 21 and other things on that other property, I believe, and then 22 if you -- if it's a new subdivision, then all those need to 23 be inspected and looked into, and the reality is they're all 24 going to be probably abandoned if it goes to commercial, and 25 upgraded at a future time. 5-11-15 30 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think that the -- the, 2 quote, planned use of it is good. But on the other hand, you 3 know, if we -- if we grant an exception, I think there ought 4 to be a logic that we can use the same logic in the future, 5 and I don't understand what the logic is. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we're granting -- 7 the exemption fits the situation. The only difference is 8 he's not subdividing the property further. What the 9 exemption is for, if you have a piece of property -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- and you're selling part of 12 it and retaining part of it, and then that other person is 13 going to plat it. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, yeah. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If it's exempted, this person's 16 platting it. They're just not subdividing it again to plat 17 it. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what, we change the 19 requirements so that it doesn't have to be subdivided in the 20 future? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I don't think we have 22 that -- that's a state law issue. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's part of our -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5-11-15 31 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- section 232. And the other 2 part of it is to require the both tracts to be -- or the 3 entire tract to be -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: To be platted. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- to be platted, and in which 6 case it will open up some issues with the -- with 7 Environmental Health, likely, because there's an old house 8 and some old -- there's quite a few old structures on there, 9 and I presume there's old wells and septics on that property, 10 and in which case we'll either have to grant a waiver to that 11 or require the person to upgrade the septic for no reason, 12 because it's not going to be used residentially. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Then that gets into the issue 14 of not just the cost of platting, but now you get into 15 probably some significant costs because of grandfathering in 16 or bringing in some stuff that already exists. Is that 17 right? 18 MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir. 19 MR. HASTINGS: I would point out that this was -- 20 part of the agenda was mainly in there to remind everyone 21 that the proposed use of that is a commercial development 22 subdivision. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 24 MR. HASTINGS: And there's language in the 25 subdivision regulations that says that you have the authority 5-11-15 32 1 to look at that on a case-by-case basis. I think you've got 2 some wiggle room. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. If it's for commercial, 4 yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And the -- and the 6 reason that language on the commercial is in there is because 7 our subdivision rules are basically -- they're written for 8 residential purposes. And we came across this in -- off Goat 9 Creek Road; a subdivision -- commercial subdivision was put 10 in, and it kind of -- before that language was put in there. 11 And commercial developments tend not to fit -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- our subdivision rules real 14 well. So -- but like I say, it doesn't make a whole lot of 15 difference one way or the other. There's -- you know, Lot 1 16 needs to be platted, and if anything else is sold, it's going 17 to have to get platted when it's sold. I don't -- I don't 18 see a whole lot of logic to going into environmental health 19 issues on systems that are going to be abandoned at some 20 point. And they're not causing any problems, to my 21 knowledge, right now. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I was just looking to 23 make sure that we're consistent in the future, and I think -- 24 I think with what Charlie just said, you know, and what 25 you're saying too, if it's commercial, then there's some -- 5-11-15 33 1 some logic there, so I don't have any problem. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And my -- my personal 3 preference, I would rather treat it as commercial rather than 4 grant a waiver on septic. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause I don't want to grant 7 waivers on septics. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree with you. 9 MR. HASTINGS: One further note. This also is in 10 the area that is going to have sewer eventually. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, it will. So, I make a 12 motion that we accept the recommendation for approval of 13 preliminary plat for the subject property. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 16 we accept the preliminary plat for RSBR-Highway Number 27 17 subdivision, George H. Harbour Survey Number 39, Abstract 18 Number 194, Precinct 2. Is there any further discussion? 19 There being none, those in favor, signify by raising your 20 right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right, 23 we'll move on to 1.5; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 24 action on amendment to and/or revision of the Kerr County 25 Juvenile Detention Facility and Procedure Manual. This 5-11-15 34 1 includes, but is not limited to, approval of suicide 2 prevention plan with Hill Country M.H.D.D. Good morning, 3 Mr. Davis. 4 MR. DAVIS: Good morning, Your Honor, 5 Commissioners. Happy Birthday, Commissioner Baldwin. 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. 7 MR. HASTINGS: You're welcome. The suicide 8 prevention plan was approved by the Court back in January. 9 This was put on the agenda in the event that M.H.D.D. 10 requested any changes. They have not requested any changes; 11 therefore, I would like to withdraw that part of the item. 12 As far as any other policy/procedure changes, I don't have 13 anything right now. The County Attorney provided me with a 14 -- with a manual and book that I will leave with Jody for you 15 all to review, and I'll put that also on the agenda for a 16 couple weeks to come back. It's all PREA stuff, is what it 17 is. It's pretty intensive, and I'd be happy to individually 18 meet with you so as not to waste the Court's time right now 19 to go over it. I know the County Attorney has also reviewed 20 it and approved it, at least for the legalities. There are 21 going to be some questions I'm sure that you'll have about 22 it. I'll be happy to meet with those when ready. Again, no 23 action is required today. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, Jason. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Jason. 5-11-15 35 1 MR. DAVIS: Thank y'all. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Item 1.6; consider, 3 discuss, and take appropriate action on request to add speed 4 bumps on some residential streets in Center Point. Is there 5 somebody here to speak on that? Deanna Joyave, I guess, is 6 who was supposed to be here to speak on that. Is she here? 7 (No response.) 8 JUDGE POLLARD: This was scheduled to be at 9:15. 9 It's now 9:36 or 9:37, so I'd suggest we just move on, -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Very well. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: -- if there's no objection to that 12 at this time. 1.7; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 13 action to accept the annual contract for C.I.C., Computer 14 Information Concepts, and have the County Judge sign same. 15 Ms. Bolin. 16 MS. BOLIN: I had the County Attorney go over it. 17 It's just an annual contract; we just renew it every year. 18 It's our bookkeeping program for property taxes. And you 19 have both copies; I gave them to Jody. So, once they're 20 signed, I can send them to them and we'll be good. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded for 24 approval of the contract with C.I.C., Computer Information 25 Concepts, and authorize the County Judge to execute the 5-11-15 36 1 contract. Is there any further discussion? There being 2 none, those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. We'll go on 5 to -- thank you, Ms. Bolin -- 1.9; consider, discuss, and 6 take appropriate action to accept the lease agreement for a 7 new Workcentre 3615DN copier/scanner with Xerox and authorize 8 County Judge to sign same. The current copier/scanner is in 9 the Ingram annex and is 10 years old. County Attorney has 10 reviewed the agreement and approved it. Ms. Bolin? 11 MS. BOLIN: It's old and it's out of warranty. 12 They don't do maintenance on them any more, so it was 13 recommended to get this new one, and it's supposed to be less 14 cost to the county as far as lease. And I had Heather take a 15 look at it, and you have copies of it. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I move for approval. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Comment. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, go ahead. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think I mentioned this 22 earlier. I think it would be really good, 'cause every 23 department comes in and says, "We need a new copier, this, 24 this, this, and it's obsolete." So, to have -- and I'll take 25 the action with whomever, okay? To have Xerox and the other 5-11-15 37 1 people come in and look at the county's computers and all 2 these things and see if we can't save some money, rather than 3 having nine different organizations manage their own. There 4 just has to be an economy of scale. I've seen it in too many 5 other large institutions and organizations where that's been 6 -- so I'm not -- I'll go along with you on this, but I just 7 want to make a note of it that I think we need to do it. 8 MS. BOLIN: Well, our -- our Ingram office, it 9 would be kind of hard for her to have a centralized one. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not saying what the 11 solution is. I'm saying have Xerox and somebody -- multiple 12 people come in; say, "Here's what you're spending. Here's 13 what you're doing. Here's what we can do for you." 14 MS. BOLIN: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't care if it's Ingram, 16 Center Point or wherever. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He's not talking about a 18 centralized -- I think he's talking about one vendor. 19 MS. BOLIN: I see. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, one vendor. 21 MS. BOLIN: Yeah, I have one vendor; that's Xerox. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: For the whole county is what 23 you're saying, county-wide, one vendor. Put it out for bid 24 and get the best -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: At least have them take a look 5-11-15 38 1 at it and see if there's economy of scale there. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good luck to you. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I need a deputy, 4 though. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, no. (Laughter.) 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Anyway, that was just a 7 general comment. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other discussion? All right. 9 If not, it's been moved and seconded that the -- that Agenda 10 Item 1.9, a new copier for the Ingram annex, be approved. 11 All those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we skipped 1.8. 15 MS. BOLIN: We did. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 1.8; consider, discuss, and 17 take appropriate action to accept resignation of Linda Hott, 18 supervisor of Motor Vehicle department, and request to hire 19 new employee. Diane Bolin. 20 MS. BOLIN: Linda resigned three weeks ago -- three 21 weeks ago? I think four weeks ago. She just couldn't handle 22 the workload any more, and she's having some personal issues. 23 But she was a 17.1 as the supervisor. I do not have anyone 24 qualified to fill that position, and I would like to fill 25 this position as a 14.1. 5-11-15 39 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 14.1, did you say? 2 MS. BOLIN: Yes, sir. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's jump on that before 4 she changes her mind. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that a motion? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It is. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved and 10 seconded that as to 1.8, we -- she fill the position vacated 11 by Linda Hott, supervisor, with a 1 point -- I mean a 14.1 12 rather than a 17.1. Any further discussion? There being 13 none, those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. 14 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Clarification. Diane, you do 17 not want to lose that 17.1 spot -- 18 MS. BOLIN: I do not. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- in the budget? 20 MS. BOLIN: I do not. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's not a permanent change? 22 MS. BOLIN: It's temporary, until I get somebody 23 trained for that position. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I wanted to make sure I 25 understood what we were doing. 5-11-15 40 1 MS. BOLIN: Yeah, that's what we're doing. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: But does that mean that if that 3 position's filled with a 14.1, and you've reserved the 17.1, 4 is this creating a new position? 5 MS. BOLIN: In my mind it doesn't, because I just 6 have to get somebody trained up to fill that position. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: See what I'm getting at? Is this a 8 gain in number of employees? 9 MS. BOLIN: No. No. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But good question, and glad 12 it's on the record. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Item 1.10; consider, 14 discuss, and take appropriate action on presentation of 15 airport fiscal year '16 budget. Bruce McKenzie and Steve 16 King. Good morning, sir. 17 MR. KING: Commissioners, Judge. Happy birthday, 18 Buster. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you, sir. 20 MR. KING: We're here to present our budget for 21 2016 for the airport -- for the Kerrville/Kerr County Joint 22 Airport. The budget -- our overall budget increased by 23 $20,000 this year. However, our income was significantly 24 higher, and the increase in budget is due to just the amount 25 of buildings we've taken over out there, having to operate. 5-11-15 41 1 It's just our operating expenses have gone up considerably -- 2 or some. However, our revenues have gone up several times 3 more than our expenses have. Last year we asked for 4 $47,478.50 from each entity. This year we're reducing that 5 down to $35,000. We're asking for $35,000 per entity, so a 6 total of $70,000 from both our owners to operate the airport. 7 The rest is made up with revenue. I will point out that out 8 of that budget from last year and this year, we did -- the 9 airport paid for $100,000 worth of consultant -- the 10 consultant for the Mooney project. We didn't go back to the 11 owners for that. That was $100,000 that we paid for out of 12 our cash reserves to make it easy on everyone, and there's 13 still $30,000 in our budget that has to be pulled out of that 14 for this year. So, any questions on the budget? 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Excellent example for the rest of 16 us. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It is. 18 MR. KING: Well, I will say that our goal has been 19 the last five years to get this thing to zero. We've -- 20 we've done a really good job on -- if you'll notice on here, 21 back in 2012 it was $110,000 from each entity, and back in 22 2010 it was 601,000, almost a $900,000 contribution. There 23 was some capital improvements that were involved in that, but 24 overall, it's been a very good downtrend for both our 25 partners. I will tell you that we've run -- we've run these 5-11-15 42 1 numbers so close that we're probably -- we're going to have 2 to increase revenue. Obviously, for you economics majors, -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Real tight? 4 MR. KING: -- the only way to increase net income 5 is to increase revenue or decrease expenses. And we about 6 hit the decreasing expenses as hard as we can. I think last 7 year we ran within $500 of our total budget last year, so 8 we're looking at other options to increase revenue. We have 9 some things on the table, and hopefully we can get them done 10 with the cooperation of our owners, and we can get to zero at 11 some point here in the near future. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'll say it again; you guys 13 run a board like a board's supposed to be run, and in spite 14 of interference from some elected officials in this 15 community. Thank you for what you do. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, hey, I want to echo that 17 too a little bit. I think it's a perfect example of two 18 things. Number one, when you have a board that's established 19 not by a popularity contest, but by need and experience, so 20 it has a good, full spectrum of capability, and number two, 21 not micromanaging by the City and the County I think is key 22 to it. So I think when you look at the trajectory, okay, of 23 the funding that's required by City and County going from, as 24 you say, a couple hundred thousand dollars each several years 25 ago to 35,000, and on a flight path to be zero soon, that's 5-11-15 43 1 great, so congratulations to you and Bruce and other members 2 of the board. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a comment. I echo what 4 they say. Kirk, appreciate your coming today also and being 5 a member of the board. But, you know, certainly what y'all 6 are doing is great, but the thing that I appreciate a lot is 7 the -- the I guess the integrity and the focus that the 8 entire board has on this project. There's -- I've never seen 9 any member of the Airport Board try do anything to help 10 self-serve themselves or their -- I mean, all of y'all use 11 the airport and have planes out there, but -- or are 12 knowledgeable in real estate and different things, but 13 everyone out there truly is working for the betterment of the 14 airport as a whole, and totally forgets about your personal 15 things out there, and that is to be commended, as well as 16 just the hard work y'all put into it. And, you know, we're 17 going to put in the budget to double your pay this year, so 18 -- 'cause we appreciate that hard work, and hopefully -- glad 19 y'all are, you know, doing what you're doing. Appreciate it. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's very good that you're 21 going to stay on for another 10 years, Steve. 22 MR. KING: Not actually. I'm only half approved 23 right now. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Oh, that's true. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm going to have to trade 5-11-15 44 1 seats with Number 1 sometimes so I can talk first, because 2 all these gentlemen, Steve, have said what needed to be said, 3 and I just thank you on behalf of this Court for a good job, 4 to all of the board members and to Mr. McKenzie. 5 MR. KING: Thanks. Thanks, Commissioner. You 6 know, I've always -- we get some criticism at the airport for 7 being -- you know, basically, catering to a few -- a very 8 small group of people who use the airport. But, you know, I 9 invite the Commissioners, and I've invited the Council many 10 times to come out and sit in our meetings and stuff. The 11 airport really is a gateway to Kerrville. You can drive 12 here; you can fly here. And I think the opportunity that the 13 airport offers to our visitors, our businesses -- I mean, I 14 know there's many businesses that would never come to 15 Kerrville if it didn't have an airport. You look at 16 airports -- you look at cities around the state that don't 17 have airports, and look at their growth. It's -- it's really 18 a remarkable airport, and it's -- I enjoy being on the board, 19 and there's some great board members, and Bruce is a great 20 Airport Manager. So we will continue, and hopefully we -- 21 we're mobilizing on the Mooney roof project this week. 22 They're actually mobilizing to fix the roof and everything, 23 so that -- that money will be put to use pretty soon. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I move that we approve the 25 budget as presented by the -- by the president of the Airport 5-11-15 45 1 Board and the General Manager -- Airport Manager. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 4 we approve the budget as presented by Mr. King. Any further 5 discussion? 6 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I just want to make one more 7 point. I think my house is on the flight path for the 8 airplanes to come in. I -- no, I'm making a good statement 9 here. I have never seen such large airplanes recently. 10 MR. KING: Yes. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I mean, there's some big -- 12 somebody important's coming in and out of here; I can tell 13 you that. 14 MR. KING: Some people don't want to drive. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Some people can't drive. 16 MR. KING: Some of these people can't drive. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the other thing is that the 18 -- I don't think the public knows it, who's in and out of 19 that airport. Bruce does, and he keeps, you know, Tom and I 20 very much aware of it. I doubt most of the community knows 21 that George W. Bush was in recently with his entourage, all 22 kind of people. There are people in and out of there that 23 want to be discreet, and y'all keep it as discreet as they 24 want. They don't -- they don't want publicity. But there's 25 a large number of very -- 5-11-15 46 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You ain't kidding. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- big and important -- big 3 jets and important people that indirectly are very important 4 to Kerrville. 5 MR. KING: They're spending money in the community. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They spend money here. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I want to weigh in 8 on. I think three or four years ago, we did an independent 9 assessment analysis of what that airport meant to the economy 10 of Kerr County. As I recall, it was like $15 million a year, 11 but that did not include the things that Jonathan's talking 12 about, some of the people that -- that have a lot of 13 resources; they spend a lot of money here, and that was not 14 factored in there. So, it's -- it is another gateway, and 15 it's very important. Thank you, Steve. 16 MR. KING: You bet. Thank y'all very much. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Hold on. I'd like to echo the 18 thanks, but I'd also like to -- without opening Pandora's 19 box, would you address just very briefly what the future 20 needs of the airport are concerning -- and I'm talking about 21 capital projects, something that might involve the County and 22 the City from a long-range standpoint. 23 MR. KING: I think as far as capital projects, on 24 the small side -- on the smaller side, we have a couple of 25 hangars out there that we've taken back from Mooney, that 5-11-15 47 1 Mooney's given back to us that they didn't need, and we have 2 hopes to do some real rehabilitation on those hangars, to 3 possibly bring in tenants. We have a couple -- we had one 4 tenant in mind who's inquiring right now, so hopefully we 5 could -- on the smaller side, we can rehab a few of those 6 hangars, bring them back up to where they're inhabitable and 7 stuff, and get some other revenue in. That's an existing 8 facility that is just sitting there, and we're producing no 9 revenue now, so if we can -- a lot of that, Judge, we try and 10 keep a pretty good cash reserve. I mean, we've hit it pretty 11 hard in the last couple years, but we keep a couple hundred 12 thousand dollars, 250,000 in capital reserve that we spend in 13 and out of that. We take it for projects that we don't 14 really want to come back to the owners for, 'cause it's 15 difficult sometimes to get everyone to agree on something. 16 So, that would be on the smaller side. 17 On the larger side, I would -- obviously, Mooney is 18 our largest tenant on the airport, and they have plans to 19 build a new aircraft, and they're going to build it 20 somewhere. And I would like, personally -- I was in Chino, 21 which is Mooney's headwaters on the west coast. I was in 22 Chino two weeks ago for an air show, and I visited with the 23 C.E.O. of Mooney for a long time and saw his facility and 24 everything. And -- and we'd like for them to continue to be 25 a tenant, and hopefully increase their -- their footprint 5-11-15 48 1 here at the airport. And that would be a capital project 2 that we're -- we're going to have to evaluate. Commissioner 3 Moser and I are on a committee to talk about that, and 4 hopefully we -- you know, we can be in the running for their 5 new facility, which will be a large facility, employ a couple 6 hundred people. So, you know, they like -- they love 7 Kerrville. I mean, obviously, we're competing against 8 California, which is fairly easy to compete against as far as 9 taxes and environmental rules and stuff like that. So, that 10 would be probably our largest capital -- capital outlay 11 coming in the future, would be when they come up with a 12 proposal as far as what they want to build and stuff, that we 13 want to make a run at that, and that will be on the table. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, it's -- and in that 15 area, part of our thing, additional taxiways may be needed in 16 areas on the west side of the airport. And, anyway, with the 17 things -- both of those projects that Steve's mentioning, and 18 these are partially funded by -- usually TexDOT. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Largely. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Largely. But there would be a 21 match by us in that, and at some point there may be some road 22 access required from Peterson Farm Road or Mooney Drive over 23 to that part of the airport, 'cause it's kind of landlocked 24 right now. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Any more T-hangars in the -- 5-11-15 49 1 MR. KING: We would like to build some more 2 T-hangars. They're obviously a great revenue source. We 3 filled up everything we had; the rates are really good. It's 4 -- it's a tough -- it's a tough deal to make it on the 5 private side; they're very expensive to build. And, you 6 know, the last ones we had, we had a partner that gave us 7 90 percent. We put up 10 percent, so that's fairly -- makes 8 almost any project economical. Extremely. Extremely 9 economical. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're in the queue, are we 11 not, Bruce, for future funding for T-hangars? 12 MR. McKENZIE: Yes, sir. 13 MR. KING: Judge, we keep our -- we obviously have 14 a good relationship with TexDOT, our funding source for the 15 state, and we keep our hand in there. And hopefully -- you 16 know, we're always there; they know what we would like. It's 17 just the fact that there's one big -- there's a chunk of 18 money, and there's 250-something airports that are working 19 out of it. So, I mean, we're always looking for, you know, 20 something like that. I mean, I tell you, one thing that's 21 really helped us, Judge, and you guys have done a whole lot 22 towards this, and I will say the City has done a lot, is when 23 we have road projects -- not road projects, but dirt projects 24 that are needed out at the airport, the City and the County 25 have been very good about cooperating on those projects. And 5-11-15 50 1 we have a couple in mind right now. In fact, I'm going to 2 talk to Road and Bridge about one right now, about one of our 3 tenants needing a little bit of help with a road project. 4 And we've been able to tailor those by, you know, you guys 5 putting in a little bit of labor and the City putting in a 6 little bit of labor. We'll pay for the materials, if we can, 7 in our budget. We'll pay for the materials, and we'll get a 8 little road built or a little taxiway built or something like 9 that. You know, that's good cooperation. It's a capital 10 improvement for the airport, and it adds to the airport. It 11 facilitates future leasing and future tenants and stuff. So, 12 you know, that's something we appreciate from the County and 13 the City helping us out on those, because if we had to go to 14 outside sources, it would probably be cost prohibitive. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Thank you very much. 16 MR. KING: Thank you. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Judge, one thing. You just 18 said capital improvements, and I think we need to clearly 19 recognize Mooney International for what they've done in the 20 past year, and currently what they're doing. They probably 21 put in over $700,000 -- over $700,000; $500,000 for the roof, 22 and another couple hundred thousand in foundation and other 23 things that they've just done to improve our capital 24 facilities out there. And -- 25 MR. KING: They have close to six million -- I 5-11-15 51 1 found out two weeks ago, they have close to $6 million in new 2 equipment. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But that's their equipment. 4 I'm talking about the City/County joint buildings. 5 MR. KING: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They probably put in $700,000 7 of their money in capital improvements, and didn't ask us 8 for -- 9 MR. KING: If you'd like, in private I can relay a 10 little more about my visit out there. But -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 12 MR. KING: -- they are way ahead of what I ever 13 thought they would be in this project. It's -- we -- it's 14 moving along; it's going to happen. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: We really appreciate the good job 16 you guys are doing. Thank you very much. 17 MR. KING: You bet. Thank you. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Call for the -- it's 19 called for the motion now, a vote on the motion. Those in 20 favor of the motion, signify by raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 23 1.11 is next? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 5-11-15 52 1 appropriate action to fill one vacant, budgeted position in 2 the Auditor's office, step and grade 22.1. This is to 3 replace Brenda Doss; is that correct? 4 MS. DOSS: We're replacing Jennifer. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Welcome aboard. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: First time at the podium. 7 MS. DOSS: This is my first time, yes. As of last 8 Friday, we have a vacant position in the Auditor's office, 9 and it's budgeted at 22.1, so, I would like -- 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, come on, let's give her 12 a hard time. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, not today. Not today. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's the reason I came 15 down here. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded 18 that -- that the Auditor's office authorize somebody to fill 19 the vacancy at a 22.1 grade. Those in favor, signify by 20 raising your right hand. 21 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 23 Congratulations. 24 MS. DOSS: Thank you. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Next week we'll give you a 5-11-15 53 1 hard time. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Honeymoon's over for sure now. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 5 appropriate action to allow the Maintenance Department to 6 hire part-time help for the months of June, July, and August, 7 funds to come from 10-513-108, part-time salaries. 8 Mr. Bollier? 9 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. What with the rain that 10 we're having -- and I hope it's -- I hope I don't jinx it; 11 hope it keeps raining. The grass is literally growing so 12 fast, I honestly think you can watch it grow. But I -- on 13 Wednesday, Thursday, and Friday are mowing days. I have 14 River Star, a lot of things going on out there -- not a lot; 15 just, you know, basically every other week, something going 16 on out there at River Star, so I need to keep that mowed. I 17 got to keep the Sheriff happy on Thursdays and mow his place, 18 and then I have to keep y'all happy by mowing the courthouse, 19 and then I have all my other facilities. So, basically, I 20 want to hire a part-time person to put with a person of mine 21 and let them get on it. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move approval. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question. And I know you're 25 getting a lot more requirements to empty trash cans. 5-11-15 54 1 MR. BOLLIER: I got it. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, do you need 3 something -- are you covered here with this request to make 4 sure that that's -- 5 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 MR. BOLLIER: From now on, they'll go -- I have 8 somebody on Mondays and Fridays to go to the parks and pick 9 up my trash, and the dog place. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good deal. 11 MR. BOLLIER: Got it taken care of, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 13 MR. BOLLIER: You're welcome, sir. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved and 15 seconded for approval of that item, for him to hire part-time 16 personnel for the months of June, July, and August, that 17 being Item 1.12 of the agenda today. Any further discussion? 18 Those in favor, then, raise your right hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 1.13; 21 consider, discuss, and take appropriate action for resolution 22 amending an authorized representative on Kerr County's 23 TexPool account, and allow the County Judge to sign same. 24 Morning, Tracy. 25 MS. SOLDAN: Good morning. This is just to remove 5-11-15 55 1 Jeannie from our TexPool account and add Brenda Doss. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded that Brenda 5 replace Jeannie, to -- to boil it down. And any further 6 discussion? If not, those in favor, signify by raising your 7 right hand. 8 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 4-0, unanimous. You're 10 successful. 11 MS. SOLDAN: Thank you. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll go to 1.14. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 10 o'clock exactly. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Boy, right on. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 10 o'clock. Consider, 16 discuss, and take appropriate action to open the responses to 17 Request for Proposals, bids for management services at the 18 Hill Country Youth Event Center, and refer for evaluation and 19 recommendation, and act on such recommendation, if any. 20 Commissioners Letz and Reeves. Holy smokes, we got in 21 bunches of bids, and big boxes of them. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good deal. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm very surprised at the interest 24 in this thing. 25 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 5-11-15 56 1 JUDGE POLLARD: How many bids did we get, total? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Three. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Three? 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This one -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: This one is from somebody called 6 SMG for the Kerr County facilities management proposal, 7 signed by somebody named Douglas Thornton. I guess SMG is 8 the name of the outfit; is that right? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where are they from? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pennsylvania, outside 11 Philadelphia. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the spinoff from the other 14 people, right? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. And this one is 17 Pinnacle Venue Services, and I don't know if it says where 18 they're from. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: San Antonio. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: San Antonio. It's signed by 21 somebody named Thomas Paquette. And there's a third one; 22 that's the big one on the floor, right? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's probably my birthday 24 gift, new pair of boots. Got to blow them up, though. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Look at that. 5-11-15 57 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This one is from Global 2 Spectrum, Judge. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, but just take a look at that. 4 this is for the cover of the box on their bid. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where are they from? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pennsylvania. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Pennsylvania. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Pennsylvania also. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good gosh. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Heart of the Hill Country, Hill 11 Country Youth Exhibit Center. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All -- and all these were at 13 the prebid -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They all came to the prebid 15 conference. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Holy mackerel. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Here's a cowboy hat. That's 19 your birthday present. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that my birthday present? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: There you go, brand-new cowboy hat. 22 (Laughter.) 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I can't even begin to tell 24 y'all how much I appreciate you. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Somebody got a knife? 5-11-15 58 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I got one. 2 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Need an engineering degree to get 4 in this thing. (Laughter.) And there's that capital thing 5 again. I mean, these guys did a bang-up job, didn't they? 6 Okay. Well, listen, obviously, we're not going to be able to 7 act on this. Wow, they even got a computer in here for us to 8 add up all of this stuff. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Solar. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, solar. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this was from Global 12 Spectrum, right? 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Set them aside for study, and 14 action. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I would like to refer these 16 to Commissioner Letz and I, along with probably whoever 17 else -- legal, accounting, Auditor's office -- to review 18 these and report back. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I suspect we're probably 21 going to need an executive session discussion probably before 22 we make a decision. I think we'll try to go through and sort 23 it out. Then I think it's going to take some discussion of 24 the whole Court. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Good thoughts. 5-11-15 59 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, that's a motion. Is 2 there a second? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I second it. Actually, I 5 wanted to make the motion. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's been moved and seconded 8 that -- 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He's going to hold onto it. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: -- that the bids be referred to -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Hog. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: -- the committee of Commissioner 13 Reeves and Jonathan to study and consult, and then we'll have 14 a later session about it, a Commissioners Court meeting about 15 it. All right, any further discussion? There being none, 16 those in favor of that motion, signify by raising your right 17 hand. 18 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you. 20 All right, 1.15; consider, discuss, and take appropriate 21 action to fill vacancy on AACOG's Criminal Justice Advisory 22 Committee left by the resignation of Bill Blackburn. Is 23 there any suggestion as to who might be interested in that 24 spot? No? 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We need to bring them back 5-11-15 60 1 next meeting and appoint somebody. Bring back some name. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Then we'll take no action on 3 that at this time, and ask that it be put on the agenda next 4 time. All right. Consider -- 1.16; consider, discuss, and 5 take appropriate action to proceed with Phase 2 of adding 6 R.V. electrical hookups at the Hill Country Youth Event 7 Center. Commissioner Reeves? 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, sir. As you recall, -- 9 Jody, what was it, about a month ago? -- that we authorized 10 to add and refurbish 20 electrical R.V. spots between the 11 indoor arena and the outdoor arena. Those have been 12 completed. And we did receive payment on one-half of that 13 from the Cluster of Dog Shows, the Alamo Area. They have 14 paid their half. We have got bids for adding an 15 additional -- and, Tim, you'll have to help me on the space. 16 MR. BOLLIER: Twelve. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Twelve along the fence of 18 River Star over there. And the total price -- I don't have 19 it in my backup. Could you go back up to the other one, 20 Commissioner? 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that the 6,000. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 6,000 for plumbing, and then 23 the electrical bid is -- no, go back. 24 MR. BOLLIER: I think it's seven. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 8,065. Total of $14,065, and 5-11-15 61 1 which the Cluster of Dog Shows is willing to pay another half 2 on that, so the cost to us would be seven. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What is the projection of the 4 need? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They need 40. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They need 40? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And we'll be at 32. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The other eight, we're having 10 a difficult time -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Finding -- 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- finding the space. We'd 13 prefer them not to go along Highway 27. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Along the road to -- to the 16 back, there's some drainage issues and everything like that, 17 so we're trying to figure out where the next eight could go, 18 without -- you got to leave room to back them in, because 19 there'll be no pull-throughs. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So you've got to find a way 22 to back them in and not be crowded. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: There is a slight concern on 25 parking, however, when events like this will be going on, 5-11-15 62 1 that most of them that are -- it's not like we're going to be 2 renting to somebody just driving through when the big events 3 are going through. They'll be utilized by exhibitors and 4 everything like that. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And refresh my memory; they 6 were going to use it multiple times per year? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's -- 8 MS. GRINSTEAD: Five days. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- five days during their 10 entire show. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And then it's -- all of the 13 rents will go to the County. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And they could add on 16 whatever they wanted to. Any other times, we rent them at 17 $25 a night. So they're -- we wanted to wait until we got 18 paid for the first -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And they have paid. We've 21 got this bid, and I think we should go ahead and move forward 22 with it. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's been -- this has been 24 one of the items identified by -- oh, I think last year, for 25 a long time last summer, Bob and I met with a number of the 5-11-15 63 1 Chamber and E.I.C. folks and all the different folks, and 2 this was one of the areas that was a -- a need which was 3 established -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- that we needed to do. We're 6 very fortunate to have someone willing to come in and pay for 7 half of it. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the funds -- our 7,000 10 would come out of the capital line item remaining for that 11 facility. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded for 16 approval for the action to proceed with Phase 2, adding R.V. 17 electrical hookups at the Hill Country Youth Event Center. 18 Any further discussion? There being none, those in favor, 19 signify by raising your right hand. 20 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. It's not 22 quite 10:15. We'll jump to 1.18; consider, discuss, and take 23 appropriate action to approve the budget calendar for fiscal 24 year 2015 -- and 2015, it says. I think it's 2015 and '16. 25 MS. GRINSTEAD: Typo. 5-11-15 64 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's in your agenda 2 package there. Anybody want to make a motion to approve 3 that? 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move for approval. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Any -- all right. It's been moved 8 and seconded. Any further discussion? Yes, ma'am? 9 MS. BOLIN: It has on here May 12th, receipt of 10 preliminary rolls from KCAD. We won't get that probably till 11 the first part of June. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we want to amend that, then? 13 Amend the calendar to say June 1st? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: June 1st? 15 JUDGE POLLARD: What would be the appropriate day, 16 Diane? 5th? 17 MS. BOLIN: I would say yes. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Do we want to amend the 19 calendar to say June 5th on that entry? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And, question. How does that 23 affect the things that follow that preliminary roll? 24 MS. BOLIN: The preliminary roll -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is it in series with other 5-11-15 65 1 things? 2 MS. BOLIN: It gives us a starting point for -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It's the starting point for 4 everything. 5 MS. BOLIN: Yeah. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I know it's the starting 7 point, but do we need to slow up the other things 8 accordingly? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think we do, but just 11 want to make sure. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Jeannie always told me that we 13 probably wouldn't get it till July. 14 MS. BOLIN: Well, we get the certified at the end 15 of July. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 17 MS. BOLIN: And there is a bill out there -- I 18 think I sent y'all the information on it. SB-1 and SJR-1 are 19 the two bills that can have an effect on this year's budget, 20 because it's for the 2015 tax year. And it has a lot to do 21 with exemptions, but it's the value on the homes. And the 22 exemptions are not a set rate like they are now; it will be a 23 percentage of the value of the home. That will be voted on 24 September 12th if it passes -- if it passes the Senate and 25 the House, then it will be voted on September the 12th. 5-11-15 66 1 After the canvass, within two weeks of that, then the 2 Appraisal District will get what they need from the State. 3 They would have to redo the rolls and redo all the 4 exemptions; we'd have all new totals. And then bills won't 5 go out until probably middle of November. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So -- but for the specific 7 question, changing May 12th to June 5th or whatever doesn't 8 cause a slip in the other things subsequent to that, correct? 9 MS. BOLIN: I don't think so, because all we're 10 going to do is discuss what we're putting in the budget. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Does that look right to you, 12 James? Okay. 13 MR. ROBLES: It's all right. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, cool. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Changing that, we got to amend the 16 motion. Do we want -- does somebody want to make a motion to 17 amend the motion? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I make -- I change -- who made 19 the motion? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I made the motion. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, you make it. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move that we amend the 23 original motion and move the item under May 12th to June 5th. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there a second? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 5-11-15 67 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those in favor of that 2 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 5 Now, the motion stands amended that was made. We're voting 6 on the main -- the motion as amended. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a question. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. Considering this is -- I 10 mean, I guess I see the workshop dates, but can we discuss 11 the format we're doing this year? 'Cause we've gone through, 12 since I've been a commissioner, lots of different formats 13 going through budget. Everything from -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Did you like the way we did it last 15 year? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, to be honest, I don't 17 remember what we did last year. Plus we have a new Auditor. 18 I'd like to know if we're going to go through each department 19 again. Are we going to -- you know, I mean, what's -- how 20 are we going to be doing it? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think last year we 22 went through each department, and I really like going through 23 each department. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So do I. I like having each of 25 the departments come in, and we set out a schedule pretty 5-11-15 68 1 quick as to when they'll be here, and try to -- Jody, I 2 think, has always kind of coordinated that, knowing the time. 3 Like, we got to allow a whole day for the Sheriff, but some 4 of the other ones don't take so long. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, we don't. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just approve it as-is and you 7 don't need a lot of time. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And do we have separate -- 9 do we hold salary issues for a separate date? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. That's always been a -- 11 you know, salaries have always -- are the biggest piece of 12 the budget. And, you know, historically, we've told everyone 13 that those will be handled by the Court at the end. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Salaries and extra personnel. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And additional personnel. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Can we do all of that, James? From 19 the Auditor's department? 20 MR. ROBLES: If y'all have enough time for us to do 21 that. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We do. 23 MR. ROBLES: Okay. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Then that's -- we're agreed, 25 that's the way we'll do it. Now, back to the motion that we 5-11-15 69 1 -- anybody -- those in favor of the motion, signify by 2 raising your right hand. 3 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And there's a comment. My 6 understanding is that you can call a workshop whenever you 7 want. I mean, this is nice to have a calendar, but -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: If anybody wants an additional 9 workshop, let me know and we'll call it. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause, I mean, it's a good 11 starting spot, but we're likely going to need some more. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: We'll call as many as -- as the 13 Commissioners want. And I intend to -- this is the way I 14 would like to see it handled. I would like Commissioners' 15 participation as much as possible in all of the budget, okay? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And my last question is, where 17 are we with the jail? How is that going to enter into all 18 this? What are we -- 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, what's happened, I 20 talked to Wayne Gondeck the other night after the passage. 21 After y'all canvass -- or the election is actually canvassed 22 and it's official, then he will start setting up meetings 23 with us to see where we go and -- and, you know, what the 24 bond sales are. We'll have to get -- all that will start 25 after the election's been canvassed. 5-11-15 70 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: After the canvass. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We'll just set up some dates, 3 and I'll make sure that we will do it in Commissioners Court 4 setting, or my liaison can be there to relay it to the Court, 5 or however -- you know, we'll sit down and work out a 6 schedule for all that stuff. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Are we still going to use the same 8 bonding people that we've used in the past? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I would assume the County 10 is -- that's y'all's choice. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I don't know. I'd like to 12 see -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think since we've started on 14 this one, I don't -- I think it would be a concern to change, 15 'cause they've already given us all the information. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The tax rate and all that. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree with Letz at this 18 point. Do we go over to use their bonding counsel, and then 19 they give us -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The numbers. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And it passed with 63 percent? 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It was 63-something percent. 24 It was 1,711 for and 998 against. And so -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Did we vote? 5-11-15 71 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I did. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those in favor of the 3 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 4 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. All right, 6 we'll go back to 1.17 now; it's 10:15 -- 10:17. Consider, 7 discuss, and take appropriate action regarding a request to 8 vacate easement on property located on River Drive. Judy 9 Lackey. Is somebody here to speak on that? Morning, Mr. 10 Jackson. 11 MR. JACKSON: Good morning, Your Honor, 12 Commissioners. I'm here on behalf the petitioner. We're 13 happy to answer any questions you have, but all the 14 paperwork's been completed. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Where is this? I see your 16 goofy map in here. 17 MR. HASTINGS: I'll give you a better map here, 18 Buster. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I hope so. 20 MR. HASTINGS: There's three pages there. Maybe we 21 can pass these out. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: While he's passing those out, 23 let me say -- 24 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Where is this? 5-11-15 72 1 MR. HASTINGS: Here you go, Judge. It's off of 2 Split Rock, off Highway 27. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. All right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We need to recess and go back 5 to this one first, and then -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 'Cause of the addendum. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Do 1.23 first? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 22. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 22. Got to do the public 11 hearing. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, we got to do the public hearing 13 first on this. All right, let me call the public hearing on 14 this. 15 MR. JACKSON: I understand. 16 (The regular Commissioners Court meeting was closed at 10:18 a.m., and a public hearing was held in 17 open court, as follows:) 18 P U B L I C H E A R I N G 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.22; this is a public hearing 20 on a request to vacate the easement on property located on 21 River Drive in Kerr County. Anybody wish to speak on this 22 matter? (No response.) There being no one, the public 23 hearing is concluded and closed. 24 (The public hearing was concluded at 10:18 a.m., and the regular Commissioners Court meeting was 25 reopened.) - - - - - - - - - - 5-11-15 73 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Now we'll go back to the item that 2 we were discussing. Mr. Jackson? 3 MR. JACKSON: I have nothing further to add. The 4 information is before you, and we ask for approval. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Stand by, David, just a 6 second. While we're doing that, let me make some comments. 7 This is an easement over -- sort of across Highway 27 from 8 Our Lady of the Hills High School, on the river. And Charlie 9 Hastings and I looked at that property last summer, probably 10 about July time frame, and it was intended to be there for 11 roads that could be installed. They're not going to be. 12 It's a -- it's an easement that goes down to the river. 13 There's liability associated for the County because if 14 someone were to go down that easement, there's a very steep 15 dropoff going down to the river, which we are liable. I've 16 talked to Charlie and I have talked to the residents out 17 there. It's the kind of thing, too, that there's a lot of -- 18 in the summer, there's a use for it, you know, by people 19 going down to the river. And that, too, has some liability 20 associated with it for the County. It's not maintained. 21 MR. JACKSON: No. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think people on both sides 23 of it, I think, mow it a little bit, so I think that's the 24 thing that prompted this. And we went through the -- the 25 County Attorney to see what the procedure was, so I think 5-11-15 74 1 we've done everything here, and so that's the background on 2 the thing. It's a piece of property that, in my judgment, is 3 not needed by the County. So -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question. Does 5 -- is it -- the easement, is it all the way from Paradise to 6 the river? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 8 MS. LACKEY: No. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, excuse me. It's from 10 Front Street. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: From Front Street down -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, correct. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And it's not 14 County-maintained? 15 MR. JACKSON: No. Grown over, actually. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't have any issue with 17 this. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Who -- does the County own 19 that easement? Or is it just an easement? I guess, who owns 20 the land? 21 MS. BAILEY: Well, I was talking to Heather and 22 Leonard before the meeting, and it's not clear to me who owns 23 the dirt. It was originally platted. My guess is that the 24 developer probably still technically owns the dirt. If we 25 own the dirt and we abandon it, then it goes half to one 5-11-15 75 1 owner and half to the other. If -- if Ms. Lackey owns the 2 dirt, then it goes to her. If the developer owns the dirt, 3 then Mr. Jackson can work out with his client who gets to own 4 that dirt in the future. 5 MR. JACKSON: And both adjoining owners, my client 6 as well as the other adjoining owner, joined in and confirmed 7 the petition. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 9 MS. BAILEY: I believe we just have an easement, 10 which means all we're doing is just saying it's not our 11 problem. 12 MR. JACKSON: It's an old dedication on a plat. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So what we're doing is taking 15 the action to vacate the easement? 16 MS. BAILEY: Abandon and vacate the easement. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Abandon the easement. 18 MR. JACKSON: Then the law takes care of who owns 19 it. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Counselor, is that 21 appropriate, then, to make a motion that we therefore vacate 22 that easement? 23 MS. BAILEY: Vacate and abandon, yes. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, therefore, I'll make a 25 motion that we vacate and abandon the easement. And I 5-11-15 76 1 probably need to say it officially, what it is. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: It's that portion of -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Shown on the petition. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: -- that lies, I guess, southwest of 5 the -- the southwest boundary line of Front Street all the 6 way down to the river. 7 MR. JACKSON: To the river. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Is the proper description of it. 9 MR. JACKSON: That's right, Judge. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. That's -- 12 JUDGE POLLARD: That's your motion? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's my motion. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I have a question. Is 16 our agenda item properly worded to support this? It just 17 says "vacate." I think the proper word is probably 18 "abandon." 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What's our -- oh, it's an 20 addendum -- 21 MS. BAILEY: I don't know that I have the addendum, 22 but -- 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- to the agenda. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It says "vacate." 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: On 1.23? 5-11-15 77 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It says "vacate." 2 MS. GRINSTEAD: The only difference between 17 and 3 23 is we changed it to "Kerr County" instead of "Kerrville." 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Is the County Attorney satisfied 5 with it? I'm just raising the issue -- "abandonment" is 6 really the proper word, I think. 7 MS. BAILEY: I think -- I don't think the 8 difference is significant enough to make a problem. 9 MR. JACKSON: We're happy with that. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further discussion on this 11 motion? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is this -- is it platted or 13 unplatted? 14 MS. BAILEY: It's platted, and in a 1947 plat. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is it a plat like our 16 subdivision plat, or is it -- my question is, if it's a 17 subdivision and we're changing, don't we have to change the 18 plat? 19 MR. JACKSON: No. 20 MS. BAILEY: We actually looked at that, and as 21 long as we put this order in the deed records so that if 22 somebody's looking at it to purchase, they see the plat and 23 this, I don't think we need to go through the process of 24 replatting. That would be a whole lot of -- going three 25 times around the barn to get a little stretch identified 5-11-15 78 1 properly. I mean, maybe technically, I mean, it is perhaps 2 adjusting the exterior defined line of the subdivision, but 3 it's so small and minor that -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just -- you know, I just see 5 a problem. We've had some of these that we have made go 6 through the -- in Precinct 2, go through the -- in very 7 similar situations, go through the revision of plat process. 8 And -- 9 MS. BAILEY: Both plats would have to be revised. 10 The adjacent property is a separate subdivision with two or 11 three -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The one I'm thinking of is -- I 13 can't think of the guy that owns it, but there's one that 14 they wanted to abandon a piece where people are crossing his 15 property to get to the river, and it's a road on the plat. 16 Same situation. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 18 MS. BAILEY: Well, I guess we should be consistent. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We did -- we said it had to 20 have the revision of plat. He couldn't -- he was not able to 21 keep people -- 22 MR. JACKSON: Could we proceed to vacate and then 23 revisit the plat question after we do a little more research 24 of exactly what this road is under the subdivision issue? In 25 other words, that the replat would be an issue for the owners 5-11-15 79 1 regardless of the vacation order, in my view. You're 2 suggesting it might be required, and I haven't addressed the 3 question, so I'd like the opportunity to do it, but I'd like 4 to go ahead and get past the public hearing vacation. And 5 then I'd submit to the County Attorney what I need to submit 6 to prove or show that we wouldn't have to replat. 7 MS. BAILEY: I think that really needs to be done, 8 because he has to prove who owns the dirt in the first place, 9 whether it's going to be split down the middle and would 10 change the exterior boundary of the plat, or whether it all 11 goes to Ms. Lackey, which would change her lot, but not 12 change the exterior boundary of the subdivision. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess the concern I have -- 14 and I'm sure this is what Ms. Lackey wants to do there, is to 15 cut off access along -- through -- right next to her 16 property, you know, which was the same situation the other 17 individual wanted to do, and we said no. And I -- and I 18 think the reason for the revision of plat -- and this is the 19 state law part; it isn't anything we wrote -- is that, 20 potentially, this could impact other people's interest in the 21 subdivision. I mean -- 22 MR. JACKSON: But isn't that -- I would argue that 23 it's only -- that's a separate issue from the determination 24 under the state law that Commissioners Court has the 25 opportunity to vacate the road. 5-11-15 80 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 2 MR. JACKSON: I'm going to revisit the question. I 3 just think it's a separate question, not to be tied as a 4 condition. In other words, it doesn't say in the two 5 sections of the state law that prescribes the procedure to 6 vacate that you have to go deal with the plat. And I 7 understand your concern, but I'm betting that as I get into 8 it deeper, I can allay your fears, and you won't have to 9 replat because of the unique nature of this property. I 10 don't know for sure, I concede, but I wouldn't want to have 11 to come back and have a new public hearing on the vacation. 12 That's what's I'm trying to avoid. I don't think it's 13 necessary, with all respect. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: If I may, to either 15 Mr. Jackson or the County Attorneys, do the owners of other 16 lots in this Mills and Miller Subdivision, which don't 17 necessarily front the river, do they have some right as per 18 deed restriction to access the river? 19 MR. JACKSON: I don't think they do, but I don't 20 know for sure. And I don't think I've researched it out to 21 tell you that. I know as a practical fact, it's all grown 22 over, and so that, to me, is the -- the sort of predominant 23 truth of it. If you want me to revisit whether or not they 24 have certain rights under the subdivision laws, I'm happy to 25 do that. But they had the opportunity to be here today. 5-11-15 81 1 Several of them joined and confirmed the petition, as is 2 required. So, I -- I can't say they're in total favor of it, 3 but they certainly are not here to complain about it. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the petition was posted -- 5 MR. JACKSON: Posted. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- posted in two places, 7 county courthouse and at the location of the property? 8 MR. JACKSON: Right. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: There's -- 10 JUDGE POLLARD: To individuals within a certain 11 distance. 12 MR. JACKSON: Yeah, it was my client that did that. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I said two, so I didn't know. 14 MR. JACKSON: There's no specific notice to owners 15 in there in the process. So, I'm -- I'm focused on following 16 this law, and then you're saying, "Okay, I'll do that with 17 you, but you come back and show me that subdivision isn't an 18 issue." 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the Subdivision Rules 20 require a specific notice to all members of the subdivision. 21 MR. JACKSON: And if that is required, I know that 22 and I'll go down that road, no pun intended. And so I'm just 23 saying it's a separate issue. I don't think it's fair or 24 appropriate at this point, having gone through all of this, 25 to tie them together. And I will get with the County 5-11-15 82 1 Attorney and I'll deal with the subdivision issue. I think 2 it's a fair question. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess the -- if we take this 4 action now, and then during the revision process -- and 5 assuming we go there and someone objects to it, where are we? 6 MR. JACKSON: Where you would be, I think, 7 hypothetically, is that certain people might not be able to 8 change the road on the plat, and their rights on the plat. 9 But you wouldn't have to maintain the road. You're getting 10 out of the maintenance of the road, and you're getting out of 11 the security and all of the risks and liability issues. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The liability. 13 MR. JACKSON: So you'd have -- we have so many 14 roads -- we've all seen them; they're out there -- where 15 you're not maintaining them, and there's a tremendous 16 confusion as to who's got what rights. I've always seen 17 those rights litigated in a civil process and a subdivision 18 context, but you don't want the road as a public road even at 19 the end of the day. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So we're -- I mean, I guess 21 we're -- we're not -- is this vacation -- I'm looking at the 22 County Attorney. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Have we ever accepted maintenance 24 of it? 25 MR. JACKSON: No. 5-11-15 83 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, but it's still -- it's 2 platted right now as a public -- 3 MR. JACKSON: I'm not absolutely sure of that. 4 That is my general understanding, but I hadn't considered a 5 subdivision until I'm standing here and I see that you might 6 need to be sure what these plats say. And I've seen some of 7 the these old plats that they're -- I'm -- I mean, I'll deal 8 with that. I see that, but I don't think that changes the 9 public -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The concept was -- what 11 Charlie and I determined the concept was is that there 12 were -- someday there may be a road across the river there. 13 That would be -- well, number one, that can't happen now, 14 based on what we can see, plus it would be a huge expense. 15 That -- that dropoff is probably 20 feet or so where the -- 16 where the easement interfaces the river. And it's -- 17 MR. JACKSON: So many roads and streets in some of 18 the older subdivisions, they just stub out, and nobody really 19 knew -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 21 MR. JACKSON: Probably then they had an idea, but 22 it's -- history has passed us by. 23 MS. BAILEY: If you -- if David determines at the 24 final analysis that the original developer owns the dirt 25 underneath that strip, then there would be no need to replat, 5-11-15 84 1 because it's still a strip. It's just a strip owned by 2 someone else, that it doesn't affect the plat. The only time 3 you'd have to worry about maybe replating it is if he 4 determines that it should be divided in the middle, so that 5 then you move the edge of the plat. That's why I think that 6 we don't need to worry about it at this point. Now, 7 certainly, he needs to come back and tell us, you know, Judy 8 Lackey owns the dirt, or the developer, whatever his name is, 9 owns the dirt. Or the two adjacent property owners should -- 10 or we own the dirt. And if we own the dirt, then we have to 11 give it half-and-half to the -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If it's -- if our action today 13 changes it from a public right-of-way to a private 14 right-of-way, the reason the revision of plat language is in 15 there, it may impact the public. And, granted, you did the 16 notice, but you didn't do the -- 17 MS. STEBBINS: For the subdivision. You did the 18 notice under the -- 19 MR. JACKSON: We're not changing the plat, so if 20 the plat vests through some owner, we'll deal with that. I 21 -- but I don't think that means that you shouldn't act on 22 what you're going to do with the road. Let me go the other 23 way. What if we were standing here saying, "I don't want to 24 vacate, but I want you to start maintaining it"? So, say I 25 don't want to do that. 5-11-15 85 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that's a different -- 2 that's a different type of issue. 3 MR. JACKSON: All right, then what if it's just a 4 matter of public use? It's a road to nowhere. I mean, it 5 just goes to the river. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But as I said, there's lots of 7 roads -- unfortunately, there's lots of roads in this 8 category around the county, and we just -- we have always 9 said, as least since I've been on the Court, that if it's 10 platted -- if it's not platted, it's very simple. We can do 11 exactly what we're doing. The concern comes that if it's 12 platted and it comes under the Subdivision Rules, then -- and 13 then all of a sudden, it comes into the -- we have always, 14 rightly or wrongly, assumed that revising the plat is 15 revising the plat. And if we change -- and it may 16 potentially impact the owners of the subdivision. Granted, 17 nobody outside the subdivision can come and have, quote, 18 standing at that hearing, but anyone in the subdivision does. 19 And if someone objects to us changing it from public to 20 private, we have always listened to that. We don't have to 21 follow it, I guess. We can still do it. 22 MR. JACKSON: Your action today won't change the 23 plat issue. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. I mean, are y'all 25 comfortable with that? 5-11-15 86 1 MS. BAILEY: This action doesn't eliminate the 2 theoretical public access; it just eliminates the County 3 having that as an easement. So, what he's talking about is 4 that at some future time, if they want to also exclude the 5 public, they probably have to go back and notify the 6 subdivision -- 7 MR. JACKSON: Well, maybe. Maybe not. I'm not -- 8 MS. BAILEY: I mean, it's a separate -- 9 MR. JACKSON: What if the plat isn't dedicated? 10 What if it's two plats? And what if -- there's lots of stuff 11 out there. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Who knows about all that part? 13 I just want to make sure that we're -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: This plat's dated 1947. A lot of 15 -- a lot of those things at that time were just done in a 16 deed filed with the plat, filed of record, and they didn't go 17 through the platting process. 18 MR. JACKSON: Sorry. On the record, I'll say we -- 19 we'll answer your subdivision question, and I regard that as 20 a separate issue. I'm repeating myself, but I don't want you 21 to think by taking this vote, you've somehow vacated the 22 plat. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bottom line is, I see no need; 24 Road and Bridge sees no need for the County to keep this as 25 an easement. 5-11-15 87 1 MR. JACKSON: Right. We made it that far, anyway. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have -- you know, I'm just -- 3 as long as one of those -- one of those women on the right -- 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to hear what they 5 have to say before we vote on it. 6 MS. BAILEY: I'm sorry, what was the question? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we take action on this 8 today? Do y'all feel comfortable enough with it, or should 9 we wait? 10 MS. STEBBINS: I'm comfortable with it. 11 MS. BAILEY: I think that you can abandon and 12 vacate the easement. That doesn't address the ownership of 13 the dirt, and we'll count on Mr. Jackson to identify that. 14 And if it affects the subdivision plat, then it's up to him 15 to do the notifications of the -- and the revision of plat 16 and all that. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So, all we're doing is 18 vacating -- 19 MS. BAILEY: It's kind of like a quitclaim, I 20 guess, a quitclaim to an easement. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm good. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 23 MS. STEBBINS: And then this order should be filed 24 in the Property Records for any future notice. 25 MR. JACKSON: Right. 5-11-15 88 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, my second stands. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My motion stands. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further discussion? 5 It's been moved and -- thank you, Mr. Jackson. 6 MR. JACKSON: Thank you. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 8 this item be approved and that the County vacate their 9 easement portion of it in the described area. Any further 10 discussion? There being none, those in favor of the motion, 11 signify by raising your right hand. 12 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 3-to-1. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, I voted. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: You did vote? Okay, it's 4-to-1, 16 unanimous. I'm sorry. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, David. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 4-to-1? 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm sorry, -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I voted for it, but I think -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: -- 4-0. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- I think it opens up an 23 issue. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I think so. I think so. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Could we take a short recess, 5-11-15 89 1 Judge? 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, let's have one for about 10 3 minutes. 4 (Recess taken from 10:40 a.m. to 10:50 a.m.) 5 - - - - - - - - - - 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, the 10-minute recess is 7 over; we're back in session. Kerr County Commissioners Court 8 is back in session. Item 1.19 on the agenda is consider, 9 discuss, and take appropriate action regarding proposed new 10 judicial district for Kendall County. Judicial -- I mean, 11 action, if any. It's more of a kind of report, a discussion 12 with Commissioner Baldwin and others. It seems that the 13 issue -- we thought that the issue about Kendall County's 14 separate district court was pretty well dead in the 15 Legislature, but it seems it's lifted its head again, I 16 think. And I tried to call Andy Murr about it, but I wasn't 17 able to get in touch with him. Did you talk to him, 18 Mr. Baldwin? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir, I did not. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. So we can't find out 21 what the status of it is right now, but apparently they're 22 trying to push it through towards the end of the session, and 23 so I -- it was declared dead earlier; I quit working on it, 24 didn't have any information, so I -- I gathered what 25 information I had and then got some more information with the 5-11-15 90 1 help of James out of the Auditor's office. And the top part 2 there, it says it's the 216th D.A.'s office. That's not 3 correct. It's really including the court. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: That includes the court -- the 6 216th court, as well as the D.A.'s office, and presently 7 that's the way it breaks down with the three counties up 8 there, and Kerr County paying the bulk of it at 44.17 9 percent. And just for comparative purposes, I included the 10 198th District, and that includes the court as well as the 11 D.A.'s office, so you can see what the breakdown is there. 12 But you can also see the population differences between the 13 two districts. You can see the 216th has -- oh, probably 14 it's not twice the population of the 198th, but it's way up 15 there. It's about 45,000 or so more. All right. Now we get 16 down to the last square right there; it's the 216th after 17 realignment. The population figures are still the same 18 there, but if we -- and Gillespie County ended up supporting 19 the 216th. And the -- you see the expense of the 216th is a 20 million and 87 dollars -- 552 dollars -- $1,087,552. We're 21 going to end up having to pay 66.33 percent, and Gillespie 22 County 33.67 percent. And the difference of before and 23 after, it's going to make us come up -- have to come up with 24 an additional $207,000, according to the calculations that 25 I've been able to reach with the help of James. And 5-11-15 91 1 Gillespie County's going to have to jump up to 130,000 2 additional money. And that is of some concern. 3 And I thought I'd report this to you and ask you -- 4 we have passed a resolution earlier that was a bit 5 ambivalent, sort of, saying that we needed to study it from a 6 financial standpoint. And by the way, I was -- I was 7 confronted by Judge Stroeher in Gillespie County about that, 8 and he started off the conversation by saying, "Where'd you 9 get the wording for that resolution?" And I said, "Well, I 10 think it was a general consensus of what the Commissioners 11 Court said over there." And he said, well, they were going 12 to pass one steadfastly against it, and no beating around the 13 bush like we did. So I didn't think there was anything that 14 needed to be addressed about it at that time, since 15 there's -- I thought the issue was dead. Since it's back up 16 again, I thought I would do some calculations, work on it a 17 little bit, and find out what Commissioners Court wants to 18 do. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that the -- the one 20 question I had, and probably to James, is on the numbers. 21 That's assuming staffing levels stay uniform? No change in 22 staffing? Okay. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only question I have, 24 these are the numbers that -- that we would be out up front 25 because of the cost of the two -- the D.A. and the court. 5-11-15 92 1 But you have to look at what we did when we -- when we did 2 the combination of the other counties into the current 3 design, is what is the savings to this county in clearing up 4 the enormous backlog in that court? And you have to look at 5 it as far as, you know, days inmates stay in jail waiting to 6 go to court. It's still at times up to a year just trying to 7 get a court date, because it does civil and criminal. And I 8 think there's also that offset of being able to move the 9 court, so I'm kind of speaking on the opposite side of it. 10 Yes, there is a cost, but I still think that with the 11 population of our county and the -- what we have, it would 12 almost probably wash if you really look at the total cost on 13 both sides of savings and the cost of -- of lowering the 14 number of counties that that court is having to serve. I 15 think you -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we're kind of guessing on 17 that, aren't we? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: We're guessing on that. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We're guessing on it. I could 21 look at -- you know, we'd have to get with the courts and 22 look at, what is the case load in that court? What is the 23 backlog in that court? What could it speed up to get more -- 24 I'm just speaking off the top, since I didn't know -- the 25 Michael Morton, all that kind of stuff. What are the effects 5-11-15 93 1 that that's going to have on us, of being able to move cases? 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Somehow assess some dollars to 3 that, so we -- 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think you have to look at -- 5 look at another point about that. That's all I'm getting at. 6 I think there could definitely be some savings in housing 7 costs. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Before we said we're going to 9 study it. We need to take a hard position like Gillespie 10 County did, okay? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Right. Right. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I think that what -- what 13 the Judge and James has done here -- but I think the Sheriff 14 makes a really good point, too. There's some savings. You 15 can't look at the cost without looking at the -- 16 MR. ROBLES: We just did it all things being equal. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand. I'm not 18 criticizing, just suggesting there's another term in the 19 equation. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'm not either. We need to 21 look at the other side. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And, James and Brenda, I 23 would ask the same thing. Maybe look back the last time 24 there was a realignment. If you took all the counties and 25 said they were costing a million dollars for all of the 5-11-15 94 1 counties before the realignment, what was the cost after the 2 realignment? Was it a million, 1.1 or 900,000? That would 3 probably affect this bottom line one way or another. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I read the resolution the Judge 5 has. I like the wording that we used. I think it's -- it 6 says we support statewide criteria, 'cause there could be -- 7 there's good and bad. In my mind, they still -- "they" being 8 Kendall County -- well, the 216th has not come up with a 9 financial analysis. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And based on the resolution we 12 passed, Representative Murr -- he could say no. I mean, he 13 could kind of block it if he chooses to. And he may want to 14 talk to us, and that was the intent of wording it the way we 15 did, is that, you know, it's not all bad; it's not all good. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: I'll try and keep -- I'll try to 17 get in touch with him and find out what the -- what the 18 water -- temperature of the water is. I did go ahead at the 19 time that I finished this on Friday; I asked Jody to forward 20 to it Murr's office, -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: -- too. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's good. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe it will prompt some 25 discussion about it, at least. 5-11-15 95 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Isn't the -- I don't know where 2 -- we don't know where it is, but isn't -- Buster, you 3 probably know better. This week is the deadline for action, 4 isn't it? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. They're -- well, 6 they're fixing to deal with this thing, this -- this thing 7 right here. It's on the -- it's on the docket. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's -- I mean -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It was off, and now it's back 10 on. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Back on. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They're going to take action. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And my whole point of the 14 thing was, you know, how in the world could we say, "Yes, we 15 support this program," or, "No, we don't support this 16 program," without knowing how much this thing costs? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that's -- and that's what 18 we said earlier, and I think still -- 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, that's kind of what we 20 said. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe it doesn't make any 22 difference if they act on it here this week. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The last part of the 24 resolution, we talked about getting the financials. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: We did. 5-11-15 96 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I guess Tom's taken it 2 on himself as to being the provider of financial numbers. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Trying to get it -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- I would -- I still stand 6 by -- I think that -- I mean, my opinion would be we should 7 ask Murr to be against it as of right now. They haven't come 8 to us and tried to work and say what -- 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Me too. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So my answer is -- 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not necessarily what 12 the resolution says. We actually supported it. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know; that's not how I 14 read it. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We supported it, and then 16 there was a second part of we want financial -- financials. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We support -- 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Creation of a judicial district 19 would have a financial and budgetary impact, though, to 20 Kendall, Gillespie, and Kerr Counties, and Kerr County 21 Commissioners Court supports the statewide criteria to 22 determine the need for a further realignment of the 216th 23 District, and supports an analysis of the budgetary impact of 24 such realignment before such realignment is adopted. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Determine the need and give 5-11-15 97 1 us -- give us the analysis. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is the message -- once 3 I get in touch with Representative Murr this week, and I feel 4 like it's urgent that I get in touch with him and get a 5 message to him, maybe by e-mail also, is that we still 6 maintain that same position, that we're opposed to it for 7 right now until we see some more budgetary figures? 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Absolutely. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They haven't provided -- I 10 haven't seen anything. I've seen your analysis, but it 11 doesn't really -- the 216th needs to do their own analysis. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: That is true. Well, I don't know. 13 They have three -- in addition to Bruce, they have three 14 prosecutors. And, you know, Bruce is not an active 15 prosecutor. He's kind of the general -- 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's his problem. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, one thing about it, 18 about the criteria that used to be with the State when we did 19 the last realignment, was 50,000 population was their cutoff 20 on getting -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Per prosecutor. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- on getting your own -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: District. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- district court. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, they're at 38,000. 5-11-15 98 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They're at 38, not 50. I 2 don't know where it would go, but that's what it -- part of 3 the criteria for the state used to be when we looked at it, 4 and when we -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd say my word is no, I'm not 6 willing to support it. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm not willing to support 8 it. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm ready to stay with that 10 resolution right where we're at. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, that's what -- I'll get 12 an e-mail off to him today. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The resolution stands. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You can't do anything if you 15 don't have any information. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, there you go. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: I'll copy the resolution to the 18 county -- Gillespie County Judge, too, that e-mail. Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Tell him to call Rusty real 21 late some night, get all that other information that they're 22 going to need. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Well, that completes 24 Item 1.19, then. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you for doing that. 5-11-15 99 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do we need -- should we have -- 2 I think we probably should have a motion. I think we're able 3 to do it under this. Is that -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: We want to reiterate our 5 resolution? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, but to give you a little 7 bit of cover if someone asks you, I mean, that based on our 8 resolution, we're not willing to support the redistricting at 9 this time. I'll make a motion to that effect. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second it. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What's the verbiage? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Based on our previous 14 resolution, the information has not been provided to us, and 15 we are not going to support formation of a district at this 16 time. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second to that motion? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I seconded it already. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further discussion? 20 There being none, those in favor, signify by raising your 21 right hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Thank you 24 very much. I just needed some direction on that. All right, 25 we'll go to Item 1.20; consider, discuss, and take 5-11-15 100 1 appropriate action regarding pending litigation. I think 2 we'll reserve that for closed session. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can we go back one second on 4 that wording? It says -- just a comment. I see people from 5 the press writing. Last time this came up, the counties -- 6 Kendall County and all the counties got together and came to 7 us and explained. That hasn't happened this time. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Right. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's why -- you know, if they 10 want it, they need to explain it, and they haven't done that. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I may copy it to Judge Lutz 12 too, and I'll call him and talk to him about this. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Both of them, all right. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge. Let me ask one 16 question. This Item 1.6, is that still off the table? Is 17 there anybody in here for that? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.6 was the lady that didn't 19 appear? 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: What was her name? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Deanna Joyave. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Is she here? (No response.) All 24 right, not here. Let's go on. All right, back where we 25 were. 5-11-15 101 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, thank you. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Did we do 1.21? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's executive session. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss, and take 6 appropriate action on enforcement of approved -- what? -- 7 approved personnel policies. Exec -- in executive session. 8 We'll go -- we'll cover that in executive session too. Let's 9 see, the supplemental -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Pay the bills. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pay the bills. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll pay the bills. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I move we pay the bills. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded that 16 we pay the bills. Is there any further discussion or 17 questions about the bills? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Buster, you've got to have some 19 questions for the new Auditor. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, I do, but next meeting. 21 MS. DOSS: Next meeting. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A warning. 23 MS. DOSS: I'll be ready. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those in favor of the 5-11-15 102 1 motion, signify by raising your right hand. 2 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. 4.2, budget 4 amendments. Are there any? 5 MR. ROBLES: Yes, sir. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 7 MR. ROBLES: Did you get those in your boxes? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll move we approve the budget 12 amendments. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further -- it's been moved and 15 seconded that we approve the budget amendments. Any further 16 discussion? 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've got a question on 18 Number 5, the jury. 19 MR. ROBLES: Yes? 20 JUDGE POLLARD: We're moving moneys from operating 21 supplies to interpreters? 22 MR. ROBLES: That's correct. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm assuming that these 24 interpreters are required by non-English-speaking people? 25 MR. ROBLES: I would say so. 5-11-15 103 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Would that be a pretty 2 clear -- so we have some illegal aliens here? 3 MR. ROBLES: I can't speak on that. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: May not be. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Not necessarily -- 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Illegal. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: -- illegal, but they're -- they 9 can't speak English. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've made my point, anyway. 13 So -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, sir. I'm running into it more 15 and more down in juvenile court too, where we're needing 16 interpreters down there. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Golly. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's also sign language 19 people; we have that issue too. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Really? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: And -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That, and on 1, 2 and 3, there 23 sure is a lot of moving from salaries to conferences and 24 training, so -- I mean, $6,000 worth. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That -- I'm suspecting that is 5-11-15 104 1 part -- or part of that may be hiring the outside folks on 2 the employee training. I don't know that to be true, but -- 3 second one, deputy salaries to employee training? 4 MS. BOLIN: Legislature met this year, so they've 5 got new laws. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What's that? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because of Legislature -- 8 Legislature is in session, and they're going to have some new 9 rules, so it's an increase in training because of legislative 10 potential changes. That's the reason. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: And probably because some more 12 employees are hired and need to be trained, too. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that right? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. All right. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further questions? If not, 17 those in favor of the motion, signify by raising your right 18 hand. 19 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Late bills? 21 MR. ROBLES: Not today. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 23 MR. ROBLES: No, sir. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 4.4, accept and approve 25 monthly reports. Mr. Reeves? 5-11-15 105 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: County Treasurer, payroll 2 report, April 2015; J.P., Precinct 2, April 2015; District 3 Clerk, April 2015; Constable, Precinct 2, April 2015; J.P., 4 Precinct Number 3, April 2015; J.P., Precinct 1, April 2015; 5 Constable, Precinct 1, April 2015; Animal Services, 6 April 2015; Environmental Health Department, April 2015. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So moved. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved and seconded to accept 10 those monthly reports as just dictated into the record by 11 Commissioner Reeves. Any further discussion? There being 12 none, those in favor, signify bay raising your right hand. 13 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 14 JUDGE POLLARD: It's 4-0, unanimous. Reports from 15 Commissioners, liaison/committees assignments, et cetera? 16 Anybody have anything? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Reports from elected officials or 19 department heads? Yes, sir? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just real quick on the bond 21 issue, I would imagine you want to be notified when the 22 architect sets up any meetings and that, Commissioner? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir. Yes, sir. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I will -- do you want it as a 25 whole court, or the preliminary ones with one commissioner, 5-11-15 106 1 my liaison, and then come to the Court on things that are 2 needed at that point on scheduling and that? 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think something this large, 4 the first time, maybe the entire Court, and then we can go 5 from there. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can we get kind of like a 7 blueprint -- ask Gondeck to kind of give us a blueprint of 8 how this is all going to happen now? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't have -- I agree. I 10 don't have any problem with that. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Until we get into more details. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The election official told us 13 when the canvassing -- when are y'all going to do the 14 canvassing? 'Cause that's what he needs to know to start 15 scheduling anything. 16 MS. BOLIN: Tax Office handles that. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'll find out. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I have a -- sometime back, I had 20 reported to Commissioners that I've been approached by Harvey 21 Brinkman's successor, the owner of that -- the realtor who 22 brought the guy in who owns the 5.6 acres next to the jail 23 there, and I had told him that we were interested in some 24 figures on that, and I haven't heard from him yet, just to 25 let you know. And -- but I did get a message that they were 5-11-15 107 1 working on it and would get back to me. So -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Adjacent to or across? 3 JUDGE POLLARD: It's right -- that stuff on the 4 corner. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right adjacent to us on the 6 side. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Adjacent to it. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Which may be available. I 9 think it would be wise for the County to seriously look at 10 that, because otherwise we will end up being landlocked with 11 that with the college and -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Probably should talk about this 13 in executive session. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Have to develop all that stuff, and 15 if they develop the 5.6 acres next door, why, we'll -- 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That would be a future -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, I'm just telling you. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't need to talk about it 19 now. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. All right. 21 Anything else from department heads? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have a question. Where -- 23 I'm confused. From the County Clerk and the Comptroller, 24 reading the paper, where do we stand on the funds that we 25 lost or we didn't receive? And -- and -- 5-11-15 108 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can't go into all that. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We can't? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can make a report, but we 4 can't really make a -- you can't ask questions. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On the reports? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not a posted agenda item. We 7 can't really enter into discussion. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But the agenda item is reports 9 from elected -- from department heads. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's up to the County Attorney 11 on that one. I don't think we -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm asking about a report. 13 MS. STEBBINS: Is this a report that someone has 14 ready to give you? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Apparently, the Treasurer -- 16 the Treasurer said that the -- the delaying payments to the 17 state occurred because the accounting firm hasn't finished 18 its work. 19 MS. STEBBINS: Maybe you can ask the Treasurer 20 about that outside of the meeting, and if you want to report, 21 you can put it on the next agenda, or the Treasurer can. But 22 I'm sure that Tracy will be glad to give you an update. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I think that's clear enough. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I'll ask for that, then. 5-11-15 109 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Because we were -- it says 3 Commissioners authorizing the hiring of accounting firm to 4 assist Bolin in balancing the books was part of the problem. 5 I don't think that we -- I don't think that was a problem. I 6 think we were trying to make sure the taxpayers were -- 7 anyway, I'll talk to the -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Put it on our next agenda; we 9 can discuss it then, which may not be a bad idea. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any other reports from 12 department heads? Or elected officials? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I -- go ahead. I thought you 14 were going to say something. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Me? No, sir. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a general comment. 17 We are -- have set a series of dates that I'll be working 18 with Road and Bridge on Subdivision Rules, and we're pushing 19 that revision pretty hard. And the County Attorney's going 20 to be asked to be involved very quickly on that. We're 21 hoping to have a new set of rules about -- about the 1st of 22 July. And we've done quite a bit on them already, but just 23 kind of -- there's a lot of areas that we really need some 24 tweaking. And we were very fortunate -- or maybe I should 25 say very unfortunate. For whatever reason, the economy is at 5-11-15 110 1 a point that we are getting a lot of subdivision requests 2 right now. And the -- 3 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a good thing, but it also 5 is pointing up some of the confusing parts of our current 6 rules that we really need to clarify a little bit. They're 7 really not major changes, really more clarification of a lot 8 of points. And so, anyway, that's working right now. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: There really is a lot of 10 activity out there. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There is a lot. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Especially out your way. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: That's good to hear that. That 15 means the forecast is good for the economy. 5.3, reports 16 from boards, commissions, and committees. Anything? Or 17 City/County joint projects or operations reports? I think we 18 heard a lot from the Airport Board already. Or other. Any 19 others here? All right. If not, then we're going to go into 20 closed session, and I'll read all this stuff. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you get into 1.21 under 22 enforcement of personnel policies, if it involves any elected 23 officials/department personnel in any way, shape, or form, I 24 think elected officials have the right to be in and hear that 25 discussion. 5-11-15 111 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. The Commissioners Court 3 reserves the right to adjourn into executive session at any 4 time to discuss any of the above matters listed, as permitted 5 by the law if they meet the qualifications of Section 6 551.071, consultation with attorney; 51.072, deliberation 7 regarding real property; 551.073, deliberation regarding 8 gifts; 51.074, personnel matters; 551.078, .0785, 9 deliberations involving individuals' medical or psychiatric 10 records; 51.076, deliberation regarding security devices; and 11 551.087, deliberation regarding economic development 12 negotiations, of Chapter 51 of the Texas Government Code, 13 including the following matters. Consultation with attorney 14 and all pending and possible litigation, personnel matters, 15 deliberation regarding economic development, and deliberation 16 regarding real property as per Section 551.072. All right, 17 we're in closed session. 18 (The open session was closed at 11:14 a.m., and an executive session was held, the transcript of which 19 is contained in a separate document.) 20 - - - - - - - - - - 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're back in open 22 session, and I don't think there's any action needed on any 23 of the items that were in closed session. Is that correct? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. So then I'll entertain 5-11-15 112 1 a motion for adjournment. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So moved. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved and seconded. 5 Those in favor, signify by raising your right hand. Are you 6 in favor of adjournment? 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Adjournment or recess? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Adjourn. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, that's 4-0, unanimous. 12 Now -- all right, then. We're having a five-minute recess. 13 We'll open the workshop session, and then we'll have a 14 five-minute recess. 15 (Commissioners Court adjourned at 12:22 p.m.) 16 - - - - - - - - - - 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5-11-15 113 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 15th day of May, 2015. 8 9 REBECCA BOLIN, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5-11-15