1 2 3 4 5 6 7 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 8 Workshop 9 Monday, May 11, 2015 10 12:30 p.m. 11 Commissioners' Courtroom 12 Kerr County Courthouse 13 Kerrville, Texas 14 15 16 17 COUNTY PARK RULES AND REGULATIONS 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 On Monday, May 11, 2015, at 12:30 p.m., a workshop of 2 the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in the 3 Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, Kerrville, 4 Texas, and the following proceedings were had in open court: 5 P R O C E E D I N G S 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, are we ready? The 7 workshop is declared open. We're in session again after the 8 five-minute recess. We have the parks rules and regulations 9 in front of us here. There's some -- are there any -- does 10 someone want to present anything about changes or whatever? 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I have a lot of questions 12 about it. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. First of all, are all -- 14 what about all weapons being -- have we got all kinds of 15 things going where you can concealed-carry and open-carry and 16 all that kind of stuff? Why don't you address that, Sheriff? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think our State's fixing to 18 go to open-carry, and I don't have a problem with open-carry. 19 The only issue I have is hunt -- would be more of hunting in 20 a county park. So, -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- you know, that type of 23 deal. So I don't know how they should -- should be 24 addressed, but I think if you had hunting in a county park, 25 and there's other public people there, it could have issues 5-11-15 wk 3 1 and be a serious safety issue. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is hunting different from 3 discharge? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, it depends. If you're 5 hunting with a pellet gun, you are not hunting with a 6 firearm. A pellet gun's not a firearm. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay? So just, you know, 9 limiting firearms or saying discharging firearms, you know, I 10 don't know. That's a -- that's a question for this Court. 11 We do have person that does go down there and hunts 12 squirrels, and he doesn't like even being accosted or ID'd by 13 us or anything else, and that's just something this -- this 14 Court needs to look at. It's fine unless you've got 1,000 15 people down in the park with a bunch of little kids running 16 around doing other things. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't think people should 18 be at the park shooting squirrels. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Those are questions you'll 20 have to answer. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now what? 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Maybe I'm not seeing it. I 23 see we define a weapon. 24 MS. STEBBINS: It was in the first version that 25 y'all got. 5-11-15 wk 4 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And then -- 2 MS. STEBBINS: The weapon. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The one I was looking at, I 4 see the definition, but I don't see -- 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 6 MS. STEBBINS: Y'all don't have the first draft, I 7 don't think. The first draft had a prohibition on weapons, 8 and then -- 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Why do we need a definition? 10 MS. STEBBINS: We don't need a definition now if we 11 don't prohibit weapons; that's right. I just didn't take 12 that out before the last time I gave it to y'all once I took 13 out the weapon prohibition. 14 MR. BOLLIER: Section 7, wildlife. "No person 15 shall willfully harm, harass, trap, confine," or anything, so 16 that means you can't harm any animal that's down in that 17 park. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That was my question last 19 time, 'cause it never referred to the body of the 20 regulations, so I was kind of like, why do we have it in 21 there? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So -- so "weapons" is out? 23 MS. STEBBINS: He's updated it and took it out. 24 Y'all don't have that copy. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, should you -- I mean, if 5-11-15 wk 5 1 you're -- obviously, if you shoot it, you're harming it. But 2 should you say in here, "willfully shoot, harm...", or is 3 this good enough? We talk about harass, trap, confine, 4 catch, possess, and lots of times when we start listing 5 things, we got to be careful of the order. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't know why the word 7 "willfully" -- I've always heard "intentionally or 8 knowingly." So, y'all define that. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I like "intentionally and 10 knowingly." 11 JUDGE POLLARD: How about feral cats? Is that 12 wildlife? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about my pet coon? 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You may have to add an 16 exclusion in there that would allow your -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Animal Control. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- Animal Control to have to 19 deal with some animals in there. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Don't they have the authority 21 to do that? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You're forbidding it in your 23 policy. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we say, "except for Animal 25 Control?" 5-11-15 wk 6 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Something, yeah. There may be 2 an exception to this rule will be Kerr County Animal Control 3 willfully discharging their duties -- lawfully discharging -- 4 lawfully discharging their duties or something like that. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or your office. You might 6 shoot a mean dog or something. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Hey, it doesn't bother me to 8 call Ray. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, and they talk about 10 what wildlife is, and they say that's neither human or 11 domesticated. Neither human nor domesticated. 12 MS. STEBBINS: So, does that mean fishing? 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, there is a -- I read it 14 somewhere. 15 MR. BOLLIER: Right under Section 7. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Next one, (b). 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: State of Texas laws and 18 regulations. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think you just need to give 20 Animal Control their authority. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Or just -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: You want a prohibition against 23 actual hunting down there, don't you? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think you -- I think, 25 really, that covers it. No person shall intentionally or 5-11-15 wk 7 1 knowingly harass -- harm, harass, trap, confine, catch, or 2 possess any wildlife within a state park or within the park. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I think that takes care 4 of hunting. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah. And that's not talking 6 about -- 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: About cats or dogs? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Why don't you add the word "shoot" 9 to that sentence? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Why? Harm is harm, whether 11 you shoot them or -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Shooting them is harming them. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If you miss, you're harassing 14 it. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're going to have an 16 exception for Animal Control. I think we ought to have an 17 exception for any law enforcement. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Except for law enforcement or 19 Animal Control in the lawful discharge of their duties. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Right. Right. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's -- you could add that. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure, Animal Control and law 23 enforcement. Let the County Attorney put the right words in 24 there. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Now, if you go back over to 5-11-15 wk 8 1 Page 1, the first page, under Definitions, and if you look at 2 "light truck," I just don't quite understand that. Why would 3 you put mini-bikes and ATV's in there, the definition of a 4 light truck? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That needs to be worded 7 different. I can understand it all, but it needs to be -- 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And -- 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I never heard of a mini-bike 10 considered a light truck. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And let's talk about this, 12 Sheriff. We're talking basically a one-ton pickup, the way 13 it's defined, 2,000 pounds. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: What happens to the -- 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: A lot of these trucks that 16 are pulling RV's, I know, are 450's and up, so they're over a 17 ton. But if somebody just -- and I'm just being devil's 18 advocate, but somebody pulls down there with their big RV. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Most of the laws I've seen 20 just refer to it as "motor vehicle." 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I'd like, just 22 "motor vehicle." 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But I don't know what you're 24 actually ruling here. That's the first place where that 25 definition is -- 5-11-15 wk 9 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, where is that? 2 MS. STEBBINS: Under Section 6. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: "No person shall operate a 4 truck within a park." And "a truck" means anything that's 5 rated carrying capacity -- well, it says light truck. We 6 talked about truck. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why is there anything -- why 8 is there anything specifically about light trucks in here? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Probably trying to keep 10 18-wheelers out of the park. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That would be my guess. 13 MS. STEBBINS: Parking, taking naps and things. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No person shall operate a 15 vehicle within a park, except on roads or parking lots within 16 the park. Vehicle. A vehicle's a vehicle. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, I agree. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: So, I want to allow -- 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But (b) there is saying, "No 20 person shall operate a truck within a park. This provision 21 does not apply to light trucks..." So, I assume they're 22 saying the 450's, the 550's, the 18-wheelers, that you can't 23 even take them in the park. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't -- I disagree with 25 that. 5-11-15 wk 10 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I do too. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: With (b). I agree -- I 3 disagree with it, too. Take (b) out. On (a), there's 4 something else. Operating a vehicle on the shoulder of the 5 road will be permitted only if the driver's parking on the 6 shoulder of the road or is driving a previously parked car. 7 Sometimes you can't help but drive on a shoulder, 'cause the 8 roads are too narrow. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I still think that should be 10 "motor vehicle." And the whole definition -- because they 11 could ride a bicycle where they want to. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but there's some areas 13 at Flat Rock Park where you have to drive on the shoulder. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I agree. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that a violation? No, 16 'cause the road's too narrow for cars to pass. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, Section 6 should be titled 18 "Motor Vehicles," in your opinion? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: To me, if you're going to do 20 it. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And if you look, when they 22 talk about vehicle, no person shall operate a vehicle, except 23 -- and then they define what "vehicle" means up there, right 24 above on the same page, letter (n). Any device in, upon, or 25 by which any individual or property may be transported or 5-11-15 wk 11 1 drawn upon a road except a device moved by human power. So 2 you can ride your bike across it anyplace you want, is what 3 that's saying. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm just -- I'm asking. But 6 you can't -- can't ride your horse and buggy across there. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't know. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what it says. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Is a horse a vehicle in that 10 definition? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It ought to say "motor 12 vehicle" in all those. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's what I would -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On (c) -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you're -- what you're 16 suggesting, Jonathan, is change (n) to "motor vehicles"? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, in Section 6, every time 18 it says "vehicle," it should say "motor vehicle." 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. But then we got to 20 define "motor vehicle." 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But if you can go back, that's 22 where this needs to be, so you can go back in criminal law -- 23 MS. STEBBINS: You can define "motor vehicle." 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Wait, Kathy can't take but 25 one at a time. 5-11-15 wk 12 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sorry. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Throw something at them. 3 THE REPORTER: I don't have time. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So if we're going to say 6 is 5 Motor Vehicles, then we have to define "motor vehicle." 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And they define it in the 7 criminal laws and everything else, and I think it would be 8 very easy just to go back to the criminal laws and look at 9 the definition of "motor vehicle" and use that same 10 definition, so it's easier for everybody to relate to the 11 same thing. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, just insert that in here. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Add "motor vehicle." 15 JUDGE POLLARD: We can put it out where we took out 16 "weapon." 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So -- but still the comment on 18 6(a), we can't preclude people from driving on the shoulder. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know what -- 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Do you really have a shoulder 21 on a dirt road in a county park? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the whole sentence can 23 be deleted. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I do too. I agree with you, 25 we should take that out. 5-11-15 wk 13 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Under -- while we're on 2 vehicles, (c), do we have posted speed limits in our parks? 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Not that I know of. 4 MR. BOLLIER: No. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Shouldn't we just say in excess 6 of whatever speed limit we want? So we don't have to worry 7 about it. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't know if I can really 9 say that. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why can't we state in excess 11 of -- 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 10 miles an hour. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 15, 20 miles an hour, 14 something like that? 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You don't want them going 16 20 miles an hour in a county park. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Ten miles an hour? 18 MS. STEBBINS: I think you can adopt a rule that 19 says how fast you can go within the park. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think you can. I mean -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, if you don't -- if you 22 don't, if you say the way we have it, and we don't have a 23 posted speed limit, then they can drive whatever they want, 24 from the way I interpret it. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you don't have it posted, I 5-11-15 wk 14 1 think you're going to have a hard time enforcing anything, so 2 if you're going to set it at a certain miles an hour, you 3 need to police it. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah, I agree with that. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Put some signs up. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 15 miles an hour. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Got to put them in the parking 9 lot in Ingram and all the -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You can't drive over 15 miles 11 an hour in the parking lot, can you? 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I would like to suggest -- 13 because I've read this whole thing, and there are a whole lot 14 of questions about it, I would like to suggest that we 15 actually get a copy of some park rules that are done with 16 other parks, either the City of Kerrville's or Lady Bird Park 17 over at, you know, Fredericksburg, county parks or something, 18 somebody that's already got a set of rules drawn up. And 19 then let's have just an afternoon, sit down and work through 20 all those rules. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: City of Kerrville would be 22 just fine. 23 MS. STEBBINS: I helped with those; I bet I can get 24 those. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think -- 5-11-15 wk 15 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I guess we have some pull. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Because you also -- when you 3 get through this, gentlemen, you get down to Section 27 where 4 it says Offense, in accordance with Local Government Code 5 33 -- 331.007, okay, of the local -- and 320.045. If you 6 look those up, 320.045 is a one-sentence paragraph that says, 7 "Rules. Subject to approval of Commissioners Court, the 8 board may adopt reasonable rules concerning the use of any 9 park administered by the board." This is if you had a board. 10 Of course, without a board, it's Commissioners Court. But 11 what is that -- where does that relate to the offense? 12 That's what that paragraph says. If you go over to the next 13 one, 331.007, it's a paragraph that says, "Public Use. A 14 park, playground, or historical museum and its contents, or a 15 historic or prehistoric site acquired and maintained under 16 this chapter shall be open for the use of the public under 17 rules prescribed by the governing body of the park, 18 playground, museum, or site." That's the two things that 19 we're referring to as offenses. There's a lot of stuff that 20 I think we really need to go back and find some agency or 21 entities that's got some rules, and let's pull them and look 22 at them and redo the whole thing. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And live with them for a 24 while, and modify them. I agree. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We need -- I think we've been 5-11-15 wk 16 1 calling River Star a park. We need to come up with some 2 special rules for that. Otherwise, the open and shut times 3 on River Star -- 4 MS. STEBBINS: I'll pull the city rules for you 5 that relate to their parks. No.? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, because -- 7 MS. STEBBINS: They use special rules for -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the city is municipal. I'd 9 rather use a county park because of authority, and I would -- 10 other than they tend to expand their authority, I would -- I 11 bet Kendall County has that. Kendall County's bought a lot 12 of parks recently; I bet they've got rules for them. And, 13 you know -- 14 MS. STEBBINS: And you can have special rules for 15 different parks because they serve different purposes. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. But Kendall County, I 17 bet, has rules. 18 MS. STEBBINS: Okay. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But one thing, I would still 20 -- if it's not hard, I'd still like to get a copy of the 21 city's, and as you look -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I agree. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Because they did the times and 24 fees on, like, the pavilions and things that you might really 25 want to look at on those. 5-11-15 wk 17 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think that would be good to 2 have the city's, too. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just as an idea. Yes, there's 4 different rules that apply for county and city. We ought to 5 really sit down and look at it a little. I didn't go 6 through -- I think it's starting at scratch, so that's my 7 opinion. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Why doesn't Heather get 9 those? Why don't the -- Tim and the Sheriff and myself just 10 make a draft, then, okay? We'll make a draft and bring it 11 back. It won't be -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, Heather can get 13 Kerrville's, and Jody can probably call Kendall County -- 14 MS. STEBBINS: It's on the -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- Parks Department and get it. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's get those as reference 17 things or guidelines, and then let the Sheriff and Tim and I 18 make a draft. 19 MR. BOLLIER: Just one thing that's on my mind, and 20 that's the ATV part of it. Like, down in Flat Rock, it 21 doesn't matter how I block those side roads off to keep them 22 from going up there, but they drive those ATV's up there, and 23 that main road goes right there where they come around. 24 Somebody's going to get killed. We got to cut -- we got to 25 do something to keep them out of there. We got to do 5-11-15 wk 18 1 something. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Put that in the draft. 3 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. I mean, that's just -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And there's another thing that 5 we probably need to consider, too, and that's people have 6 called about boats. You know, limit it to 5-horsepower? I 7 was down in Center Point the other day. There was a guy down 8 there, believe it or not, with a 150-horsepower outboard. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That doesn't surprise me at 10 all. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but I'm saying -- so -- 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: A lot of them do that just to 13 -- because around here, if you don't want to take it to one 14 of the big lakes, -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- then you need to run a 17 two-stroke motor or four-stroke motor once in a while. 18 That's all they're going to do. But a lot of parks limit it 19 to electric trolling motors or something, so it's something 20 we need to consider. There are people that say eliminate 21 them all. But I agree with Moser -- the commissioner; maybe 22 it would be better to gather up a bunch of different ideas 23 from different parks that have rules in them, and then have a 24 committee that this Court wants to appoint to kind of come up 25 with a rough draft, and then bring it back to the Court -- 5-11-15 wk 19 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- in a workshop, offer a 3 presentation, and let's go from there. But I think we've 4 got -- 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We've got to consider one 6 point. That body of water, we're on one side; the city's on 7 the other. How far can we go to regulating something that 8 the City has just as much right and access -- 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think that's one of those 10 things where -- where the two -- the Judge and the mayor and 11 everybody needs to actually get together and come up with -- 12 MS. STEBBINS: They've got some rules. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay, you went too far. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- what you're going to agree 15 to for the entire body of water. 16 MS. STEBBINS: They've already got some rules that 17 they have adopted for that park, and -- 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: For the state park? Or the -- 19 MS. STEBBINS: For -- yes, for the 20 Kerrville-Schreiner Park. And -- and they are consistent 21 with state law. I looked at them last week when Commissioner 22 Reeves and I were talking about these issues. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, it'd be good, as much as 24 we can, if we can make them consistent. I agree. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: They allow overnight 5-11-15 wk 20 1 camping. We never have. Or should we? I don't think so. 2 MS. STEBBINS: The -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Anyway, rather than taking 4 everybody's time to do that, that's my suggestion. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want to have one sentence. 6 Just one -- just one sentence, -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- please. 9 MR. BOLLIER: Do we have -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Go ahead. 11 MR. BOLLIER: My question is, do we have the 12 authority to put some kind of limit or whatever on 13 state-owned water? We don't own the water. 14 MS. STEBBINS: But we have authority to adopt the 15 rules in the parks. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's our dam. It's our lake. 17 MR. BOLLIER: Okay, got you. I understand. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Animals. You bring a dog, 19 and you have to keep him on a leash unless you're in a pet 20 zone. And the state law says that you don't have to keep a 21 dog on a leash as long as he's under your control. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But you can adopt rules in 23 that park that would go more than that, such as keeping -- if 24 you want -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: If you say keep them on a 5-11-15 wk 21 1 leash all the time, I'm going to be offended. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's up to what you y'all want 3 to adopt on the park. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What about Buster's ferret? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What about my parrot? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I said ferret. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, my ferret. 8 MR. BOLLIER: Little rat. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I thought we were bringing 10 my parrot into this thing. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, we see it in this 12 draft. I did have a call from Ray at Animal Services a week 13 ago Saturday, and I think the call originated from the 14 Sheriff's Office about horses -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No horses. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- in a park. There's 17 nothing in it right now, and I said I guess they just have to 18 clean up after them like they do the dogs, but I don't know. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: We mentioned horses in 20 there, but I can't remember what it says. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Designated areas only. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That means -- 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: There's just a lot that needs 25 to be looked at on it all. 5-11-15 wk 22 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I like the idea of 2 comparing two parks. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. All right. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, shall we have a 5 committee that creates a draft? 6 MR. BOLLIER: I don't know. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think so. 8 MR. BOLLIER: Whatever you want to do. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, the recommendation 10 is Tim and the Sheriff and myself make the draft? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there anything else 14 for discussion? If not, we'll adjourn. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Can I delegate it to somebody? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Motion for adjournment? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move for adjournment. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: You second, Buster? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yes, sir, if it's necessary. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor, show your right 21 hand. 22 (The motion carried by unanimous vote, 4-0.) 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It's unanimous. 24 (Commissioners workshop adjourned at 12:52 p.m.) 25 - - - - - - - - - - 5-11-15 wk 23 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 20th day of May, 2015. 8 9 REBECCA BOLIN, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 5-11-15 wk