1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Budget Workshop 10 Monday, June 29, 2015 11 9:00 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X June 29, 2015 2 PAGE 3 --- Participate in Budget Workshops with county departments, including, but not limited to: 4 County Attorney -- 5 Juvenile Probation/Juvenile Detention 3 Miscellaneous 28 6 Environmental Health/Animal Services 31 Fire Protection 36 7 Library 39 Parks 43 8 Alternate Dispute Resolution 46 War Memorial 49 9 Capital Financing 51 Clean Water SWSRF 57 10 --- Adjourned 62 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Monday, June 29, 2015, at 9:00 a.m., a budget 2 workshop of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's June 29th, 2015, 8 and it's about 9:02 a.m. Kerr County Commissioners Court is 9 in session. This is a workshop session to go over budget 10 information. I think the first one on here is Account 400, 11 County Judge. Anybody have questions about that? 12 MR. ROBLES: I apologize. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: James? 14 MR. ROBLES: We're on County Attorney. I put 15 Section 4 and 5 in there. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Turn the page. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, okay. County Attorney. 475? 18 MR. ROBLES: She's actually sick. 19 MS. BAILEY: Judge, she's sick, and so we've asked 20 to move it to July 6th. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: We're going to reschedule that. 22 Apparently, the whole family is ill. Whatever they got, we 23 don't want it. We don't want to get it. Okay. The next one 24 is juvenile, the 569 account. Questions, comments or 25 whatever? Top of the morning to you, sir. 6-29-15 bwk 4 1 MR. DAVIS: Morning, Your Honor. Commissioners. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have just a -- a question 3 on -- Jason, on account 569-483. It says that that's an 4 AACOG juvenile block grant? 5 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's revenue that we 7 have? 8 MR. DAVIS: Correct. That is -- we have competed 9 with the COG for a number of years, and have been fortunate 10 to receive funding through the COG, and we go and apply for 11 the grant. They have given us the grant, and then we 12 actually -- it's a pass-through, basically. We don't 13 actually retain any funds. What we do is, the grant's 14 actually written by B.C.F.S., the nonprofit here. They write 15 the grant. I go in to do the presentation. The Auditor's 16 office, along with B.C.F.S. -- Auditor's office provides all 17 of the information as far as all the reporting requirements 18 that are required by the COG. The data is collected by 19 B.C.F.S. We contract with B.C.F.S., basically. Originally, 20 B.C.F.S. was the grant recipient. COG changed the rules a 21 few years ago, so it's a pass-through. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. So it's just a 23 pass-through. 24 MR. DAVIS: Exactly right, yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: James, that's shown as an 6-29-15 bwk 5 1 expenditure, so it's just -- it's in and out. So, okay, 2 thank you. I understand that now, okay. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other -- start with 4 Mr. Baldwin. 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What -- what do you have 6 under capital outlay? 7 MR. DAVIS: Nothing on Y.A.D. grant. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I understand that. But -- 9 MR. DAVIS: We're -- 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- talking about Juvenile 11 Probation general fund, 570. 570, there shouldn't be 12 anything in capital outlay, I believe. 13 MR. DAVIS: I'm looking at a different rendition 14 of -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Here it is, $10,000. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It says you requested 10,000 17 for capital outlay. 18 MR. DAVIS: Oh. That -- I'm sorry. Thank you. 19 This is obviously an older version. Capital outlay -- 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Nice try. 21 (Laughter.) 22 MR. DAVIS: And fail. Thank you. It's vehicles, 23 is what that is. And what we hope to do is -- what we've 24 traditionally done is we would not buy a vehicle until the 25 end of the year, and only if we had excess funds that weren't 6-29-15 bwk 6 1 expended. Originally, that 10,000 was 35,000, which would be 2 the cost of the vehicle, to replace one of the older 3 vehicles. I met with the Judge; he said, "Do you know what? 4 Let's just knock that down to 10 for right now." And I have 5 no problem knocking that down to zero. The -- the mind-set 6 was, do we get ahead of it and say we're going to budget this 7 as an ongoing item every year, or do we do what we have done, 8 which is we don't buy one unless we have money at the end of 9 the year? I have no problem zeroing that out at all, to be 10 perfectly honest. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm certainly not asking you 12 to do that, because I -- I personally agree that you get 13 ahead of it and try to figure out and kind of rotate it out 14 on a regular basis, if you could, like we do the Sheriff. 15 But I guess that's all. Thank you. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think that's a better 17 philosophy. Put something in there rather than wait and see 18 if you have any money left over. 'Cause that's -- I'm in 19 favor of budgeting what you think you need, rather than 20 having excess and then figure out how to spend it. So -- 21 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How many vehicles do you 23 have? 24 MR. DAVIS: On the probation side right now, we 25 have one vehicle that has actually been given back to the 6-29-15 bwk 7 1 County for the Sheriff to look at, and we just haven't gotten 2 -- he hasn't picked it up. We have -- I've got to count -- 3 one for each of the officers, so five. We have -- I've got 4 to make sure that's right. Jason, Jesse, Carla, Heather, 5 Philip -- six. We also -- we have six vehicles. Each of the 6 officers has a vehicle, and then we have a 15-passenger van 7 that we use for transportation back and forth. Probation 8 uses it some; Detention uses it some. Primarily, Probation 9 uses it to pick up kids. We go to the school districts and 10 pick kids up, bring them back in for programs and classes. 11 But when we have a large court docket, we'll use the big van 12 on the detention side, or if we're short a vehicle over there 13 in detention, so we don't have to have as many vehicles on 14 the detention side. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Which is most of the time here 16 lately. 17 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. They're getting a lot more 18 use the last -- normally, June 1st we drop off. We're pretty 19 busy in the spring, but around the mid, beginning of June, we 20 drop off, and we haven't dropped off. I mean, you know, our 21 normal facility population is going to be 8, 9, 10 kids in 22 June. We're at 15, 16, 18 kids, mostly Kerr County. A few 23 out-of-county's, but mostly Kerr County kids. It has not 24 dropped off yet. With that being said, it's not a "sky is 25 falling" scenario. To say, "Okay, you know, we're seeing a 6-29-15 bwk 8 1 pattern of increase," that wouldn't be true or correct 2 either. I think that right now I'm seeing a little pattern, 3 but nothing to indicate significant change, or even long-term 4 change. You know, if I come back here in two months and 5 we're -- our numbers are still up, that's a concern. Right 6 now, it's nothing other than -- I can't say it's anything 7 bigger than that. I don't know if I -- I got off chasing 8 rabbits and didn't answer your question, I don't think. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Rabbit trails are good 10 sometimes. Help me understand this. So if the -- you're 11 just putting some money there. The cars are 25,000? Or -- 12 MR. DAVIS: Roughly, by the time I get them 13 outfitted with camera systems and everything, about 35,000. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 35,000, and you put 10 in 15 there. How is that going to help? 16 MR. DAVIS: Well, and, you know, that's a 17 conversation that that 10 would be used along with extra 18 money at the end of the year, if we had it. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see. 20 MR. DAVIS: What we do, Commissioner, if I go back 21 historically -- let's go back last year. Only in this fund, 22 10-570, the idea is we want to spend all of our state moneys 23 first, 'cause if we have that state money that we don't 24 spend, we have to give it back. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 6-29-15 bwk 9 1 MR. DAVIS: And so the county money is the last 2 money we want to spend. Every year, historically, I know 3 going back to at least 2010, probably before that, we return 4 money at the end of the year, "we" being Juvenile Probation. 5 The Juvenile Board gives it back to the county 'cause we 6 don't need it, and it's usually a significant amount of 7 money. There's usually some left over. So, that is the 8 goal, is to spend all the state funds, because if we don't 9 use them, some other county will use them. And then we will 10 return as much money back to the Auditor, and the Juvenile 11 Board returns it back to the taxpayers at the end of the 12 fiscal year. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: You anticipated you were going to 14 have enough to add to the 10,000 and replace the car? 15 MR. DAVIS: That's correct. And I would hope -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Because of the way you're doing the 17 state funds? 18 MR. DAVIS: That's correct. Now, one thing on that 19 is, the State's already told us we can expect at least a 20 5 percent reduction in funding from the State. Again, that's 21 not a significant loss. Five percent is not going to break 22 the bank. We're looking at about $15,000. That's the 23 projection, but we do not have the numbers out of the L.B.B. 24 numbers; we don't have the numbers out of T.J.J.D. and the 25 regulatory agency. We don't expect those until -- they're 6-29-15 bwk 10 1 telling us now possibly the first of August, but maybe 2 mid-August, so we don't know what our state funds are going 3 to be. That's always the big variable. That's why there's 4 so much -- that's why there's so much money returned, 'cause 5 we don't know when we approve the budget what the State's 6 going to do. There have been times we don't know until the 7 second week of September, with our state -- state year 8 beginning September 1, second week of September before we 9 figure out how much money we're going to have. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, these expenditures are 11 assuming it's all coming from the county. Is that right, 12 James? We don't count on any revenue from the State? This 13 is just -- 14 MR. DAVIS: For this fund, yes. Now -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But -- no, let me stay on this 16 fund for just a second. So this assumes that it all comes 17 out of our general -- general fund, but historically, over -- 18 historically what percentage comes from the State? 19 MR. DAVIS: 70/30. 70 County, 30 -- I mean, 70 -- 20 yeah, 70 County, 30 State. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, really? 22 MR. DAVIS: And that will change. We've had it 23 where -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm just asking kind of 25 average. 6-29-15 bwk 11 1 MR. DAVIS: 65 to 75 percent. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wow. 3 MR. DAVIS: It's kind of -- we rely heavily on the 4 county side. There's also some federal funding in there. 5 That's -- that was a significant proportion years ago. Those 6 federal funds have dried up. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, about -- just somewhere in 8 the neighborhood of a third of it has to be -- in the 9 history, historically, even though you can't count on it 10 right now -- 11 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A third. So, you've got a 13 budget request of 800,000 -- 800-something thousand, not 14 counting the -- not counting the extra personnel, tentative 15 benefits. 16 MR. DAVIS: Correct. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, about a third of that 18 would come from the County? 19 MR. DAVIS: No, sir, two-thirds. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I mean two. 21 MR. DAVIS: Two-thirds. This -- this number here 22 is going be the -- this 843 would be roughly 350,000 from the 23 State. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: From the State? 25 MR. DAVIS: From the State. 6-29-15 bwk 12 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, I thought it was just the 2 opposite. 3 MR. DAVIS: Two-thirds -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: From the County. 5 MR. DAVIS: Traditionally, two-thirds 6 County-funded, one-third State. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jason, on your vehicles, -- 9 MR. DAVIS: Yes? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- I see you have six. 11 MR. DAVIS: Yes. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Are they used entirely 13 in-county or out of county some? 14 MR. DAVIS: No, they're not -- the van is used only 15 in-county, the 15-passenger van. Because it's probably not 16 one we -- it's not probably -- it's one we would not feel 17 comfortable taking out of county transporting kids. That 18 vehicle is not used within -- I mean, it's just not used 19 outside of the county ever. All of the other vehicles are 20 used outside of the county. And that was one of the 21 decisions that we have done years ago, was where's the 22 balance? Statutorily speaking, every transportation that's 23 going outside of the county is the responsibility of the 24 County Sheriff. However, you know, I've spoken with Rusty 25 and I kind of go back to the history of the Juvenile Board, 6-29-15 bwk 13 1 and the decision was made years ago that we're going to 2 provide vehicles for Juvenile Probation with the 3 understanding we're not pulling patrol people off the street. 4 Because all of these transports that have to be done, even 5 though it's statutorily the responsibility of the Sheriff, I 6 think everyone agrees if it's something -- a function that 7 Probation can do, we don't have to pull a deputy off the 8 street. We don't want to pull a deputy off the street. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Plus it's partially paid for by 10 the State. 11 MR. DAVIS: Yeah. And so, anyway, I don't know if 12 that answers your question or not, but yes, they are used -- 13 we do almost all of our own transports throughout the state. 14 Very rarely will the Sheriff -- will we ask for assistance. 15 If we have a very extreme safety concern for a child, we'll 16 request assistance with that; we'll send one of our officers 17 with the deputy. But that's only -- that happens maybe three 18 or four times a year, if that. I mean, it's rare. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What mileage do you tend to try 20 to get rid of or trade in a car? 21 MR. DAVIS: We would like to go 150, probably. 22 That's -- it depends on the vehicle. We had a Ford Taurus 23 that I think it just had about 100,000 miles on it, not that 24 high mileage really, but it was not a vehicle we were 25 comfortable taking out of the county. All of our other 6-29-15 bwk 14 1 vehicles now are -- I mean, they're all low -- I mean, I 2 think mine's 90; Heather's is 30. They're in good shape. 3 The one we have now is about -- I think Phillip's is about 4 120 or 130. That's the one we would look at trading in. And 5 it is used -- in fact, it's been primarily the transport 6 vehicle, just because he's a male officer and he's mostly 7 transporting males. It's camera-equipped. And so it depends 8 on the vehicle, but, you know, roughly 150. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A couple other -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, so there's -- there will 11 be a trade-in value of 5,000 or something for that vehicle. 12 That goes against the cost as well? 13 MR. DAVIS: Yes. I would assume so, yes. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A couple other vehicle 16 questions. 17 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On Line 570-335, 19 transportation, just looking at the pretty big jump from '14 20 to '15, and to the current request -- 21 MR. DAVIS: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- from 1,500 to 4,500, so 23 like a 300 percent increase. 24 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, what's the cause for that? 6-29-15 bwk 15 1 MR. DAVIS: Everything's a shell game. And the 2 short answer is everything is a shell game. What will happen 3 is I will move money around, depending on what I can spend 4 the state money on. If the state money comes in, if I've got 5 more state money for -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But just what -- what do you 7 expect? Why would the expense go up? 8 MR. DAVIS: It didn't go up. I just moved the 9 money around. The expense was about the same, but what 10 happened was I would take -- let's say that I -- for whatever 11 year, the expense was the same, but I'm using county funds to 12 pay for it instead of state funds. And the next year I may 13 be using state funds to pay for it instead of county, 14 depending on the grant conditions. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, but it would help a lot 16 if you can use see costs rather than -- you know, where it 17 actually goes, but I guess that's actual, and that's -- 18 MR. DAVIS: The cost is going to be -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: See what I'm saying, James? 20 It's just hard to see what it costs for a line item when you 21 say, "Well, yeah, it costs more than that, but I didn't fund 22 it with that," so therefore, we don't have any visibility of 23 what the cost is. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What you're saying is some 25 years you'll get a state grant for transportation, but not 6-29-15 bwk 16 1 housing. 2 MR. DAVIS: Exactly. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So -- 4 MR. DAVIS: Yes. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So you plug it in here, and 6 then you wait and see what the money from the State says you 7 can use it for, and then move it around? 8 MR. DAVIS: Yes and yes. Yeah, what'll happen is 9 our grant amount, which is our general grant, that's 10 completely open. We can -- we can pretty well spend that on 11 anything. Then we get other grants; Grant C, Grant N. Those 12 will have conditions. I can only spend that little pot of 13 money on certain things. Then throughout the year, they'll 14 open it up and they'll say, "Okay, we have another pot of 15 money, and it's going to have these restrictions and 16 conditions." We don't know what they're going to be from 17 year to year. They'll do it anywhere from three to four 18 times a year where they'll have -- I can go in and compete 19 for other funding sources or grants. We don't know what 20 those restrictions are going to be right now, whether money 21 for I.T. things so you can -- you can apply for I.T. stuff. 22 So, I might have a bunch of money in I.T. or in software or 23 something that I'm not going to need, because I can go get 24 this from the State. Three months, six months later, they 25 may come and say, "We're not going to give anything for I.T.; 6-29-15 bwk 17 1 we are going to give money for housing costs." That's a 2 concern. So, I had a bunch of money in housing; I'm not 3 going to spend that, so I need to move that into something 4 else. The travel budget is going to be about the same. It's 5 just where can I best spend the county tax dollars as opposed 6 to the state? The county -- I mean, you all see what this 7 is. We can move this around pretty easily. Moving the state 8 side, I have to get permission from them. Not just the 9 Juvenile Board, but also from the State to move those funds. 10 They're more restricted and they're harder to spend. These 11 funds are easier, to me, a lot less restrictions. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why did the vehicle insurance 13 double from '14 to '15? Went from 2,500 to 5,000 on Line 14 Item 481. 15 MR. DAVIS: I can tell you we did add two vehicles 16 during that time. And as far -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, just an increase in 18 vehicles? 19 MR. DAVIS: Well, that, and I thought there was an 20 increase in cost, but I'd have to defer that to Tracy. I 21 don't really -- and you all probably know better than I do. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was just -- it doubled, 23 though. It shouldn't double. 24 MR. DAVIS: Yeah. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But an increase in vehicles 6-29-15 bwk 18 1 would make sense if that's what it was. 2 MR. DAVIS: I know we had two new vehicles in that 3 time -- not new vehicles, but -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Additional. 5 MR. DAVIS: -- additional, that's right. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, got you. Well, that 7 would make sense. I have one other question on diagnosis and 8 treatment. Used to be $5,000; now it's zero. What -- 9 MR. DAVIS: Same thing. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's good. I'm not -- 11 MR. DAVIS: Well, and that's the same thing. What 12 happened was, we got a bunch of money for -- right now, 13 they're funding diagnosis and treatment. That will be, like, 14 evaluations, counseling. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the State's funding that, 16 so you put zero? 17 MR. DAVIS: That's right. That's from -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right, that's enough. 19 MR. DAVIS: That's where you're going to see things 20 move up, and right now the State's giving a lot of money for 21 that, so I can request state funds for -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: A big move for that in this 23 Legislature. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Was there? Okay. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So -- and basically, what 6-29-15 bwk 19 1 you're saying on your budget is that you got a bottom dollar, 2 but until you know what the state grants are, you don't know 3 where you're able to take -- whatever, 240,000, 250,000, 4 whatever 30 percent of your bottom number is, and where you 5 can go, so you just have to plug in numbers? 6 MR. DAVIS: Correct. And then what we do is we 7 clean it up at the end of the year. We'll have a Juvenile 8 Board meeting; we're talking about in August usually, and we 9 go back in and do all -- the Board will approve budget 10 amendments. We may have as much as 20 percent fluctuation at 11 the end of the year in that budget, moving things around to 12 make them fit where we can best spend the dollars, and then 13 it all will be done in one clean sweep. 'Cause we can't do 14 that -- the State can do it a little bit, but I can't do it 15 like that. And I want to spend those dollars first where we 16 can, and then come back in and do that. And -- and at the 17 end of the day, I mean, just to give you an example, last 18 year, $116,000 is what we were able to return out of this 19 budget back to the County. You know, and that's -- it's been 20 over $100,000 every year since 2010 that we've returned 21 because we haven't needed it, and that's been kind of the -- 22 the stewardship of the public funds is something that I'm 23 very aware of; the Board's very aware of. 24 And if this Court's always traditionally funded -- 25 what we said is, this is the worst case scenario. This is -- 6-29-15 bwk 20 1 we will not go over this number, and we're going to give back 2 everything we possibly can. Because what happened is, before 3 I came in here -- and some of the Commissioners may recall -- 4 every year, June, July, August, Juvenile Probation was coming 5 back to this Court saying, "We're in a hole; we need more 6 money. We can't make our -- we can't pay for our housing 7 costs." And it was putting the county in a bind, so the 8 decision was made at that time, okay, we're giving you more 9 money, but watch what you do, and you're going to return what 10 you don't need. Which is -- and, again, our numbers are 11 before 2009, but I know from 2010 forward, every year we've 12 given back at least $100,000, and that's with buying some 13 vehicles in there also. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jason, my last -- last question 15 is, one of your big-ticket items is alternate housing. My 16 recollection is that that's basically dependent on the judge 17 and where he puts them -- places kids. 18 MR. DAVIS: Yes. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's Kerr County; that's if 20 you don't house them here. And it looks like the current 21 judge is not using alternative locations as much as the prior 22 judge did; is that accurate? 23 MR. DAVIS: I would disagree with that -- with the 24 last part of that. The first part, I would agree with that. 25 I would say that our placement rate is -- and there are other 6-29-15 bwk 21 1 factors that play into it, too. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 3 MR. DAVIS: It is the courts. It's also the 4 prosecutor. It's also probation recommendations. It's not 5 just one -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Person? 7 MR. DAVIS: Yeah, it's not just one person. The -- 8 and what'll happen is every year, again, we spend all of our 9 state funding first, and so it looks like when you're looking 10 at our current -- you can never look at the projected on this 11 fund, because what'll happen is we'll spend a whole bunch in 12 July and August. We'll spend the majority, especially of the 13 alternative housing, in July and August, 'cause I try not to 14 touch this at all until all of my other state stuff is done. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 16 MR. DAVIS: But our placements, just to answer your 17 question, I know as of about a year ago, they'd almost 18 doubled from where they were five years ago. Referrals are 19 pretty consistent, maybe down a little bit. That's the 20 number of kids coming in. But the kids we're dealing with 21 are much harder kids. Even though we have slightly smaller 22 numbers, it's not a significant drop; maybe 10 percent. When 23 we're going back three years, we had five kids in placement 24 at one time. Right now, it's not uncommon to have 10 in 25 placement at one time. 6-29-15 bwk 22 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 2 MR. DAVIS: And that's why the cost is anywhere 3 from $95 to $265 per day per child, depending on -- 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You mean like an alternate 5 treatment facility? 6 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Same thing? 8 MR. DAVIS: We can also use it for -- to pay 9 ourselves, Probation paying Detention out here. It can be 10 used for that, for detention costs here. But it's also used 11 for substance abuse treatment, boot camps, behavioral 12 modification is the term now, sex offender treatment 13 facilities, vocational facilities, those types of things 14 where we've removed the child -- the Court removes the child 15 from the home and places that child in some type of -- 16 another environment, an alternative environment. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: One other question. 18 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir? 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The grants that you refer to 20 and that you get, there's numerous of them. Do they all come 21 through AACOG? 22 MR. DAVIS: None of them do, except Y.A.D. Y.A.D. 23 does. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 25 MR. DAVIS: Everything else comes directly straight 6-29-15 bwk 23 1 from the Texas Juvenile Justice Department. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I see, okay. 3 MR. DAVIS: And, you know, the Edward Byrne grant a 4 few years ago, we got a couple of vehicles through that. 5 Normally, even the COG grants are so restrictive, it's hard 6 to -- you know, unless you're serving a very specific 7 population, you don't want to apply for those funds, because 8 it ties hands of the prosecutor and the Court. Yes, you can 9 have the money, but you've got to do this with it, and it 10 limits what they can do. And -- and traditionally, we have 11 not wanted to do that. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: All this points towards good 13 management, and I appreciate it. 14 MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Commissioner. Appreciate 15 it. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What is it, 572? 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, let's go to 572. 19 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 572. Or is it five-seventy 20 also? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 572 also. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 570 plus two. 24 MR. ROBLES: Fund 76. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Capital outlay? 6-29-15 bwk 24 1 MR. DAVIS: Okay. Thank you, Commissioner. Yes, 2 the dirty word P.R.E.A. This is exactly -- I can tell you 3 right now, this is where this is coming from. It breaks down 4 like this. And these are all decisions that, you know, this 5 Court is going to have to determine as to how we proceed. I 6 can tell you -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What 's the word you said? 8 MR. DAVIS: P.R.E.A., the Prison Rape Elimination 9 Act. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I didn't know what that 11 meant. 12 MR. DAVIS: The acronym is P.R.E.A. It is federal 13 -- federally mandated legislation. There are -- I've been 14 contacted at least once by a U.S. Marshal in San Antonio that 15 says they are the auditor's office to insure compliance with 16 P.R.E.A. The bigger issue is if you don't comply, you have 17 advocacy groups that are threatening lawsuits against 18 counties that don't comply in federal court for noncompliance 19 with that statute, and that's -- that's the issue. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What -- I'm sorry, I'm not up 21 to speed with you on P.R.E.A. or what the whole issue is. 22 MR. DAVIS: P.R.E.A. is a federal law that came 23 into effect -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What are we trying protect, or 25 what's the issue? 6-29-15 bwk 25 1 MR. DAVIS: Trying to protect inmates from raping 2 each other or being raped by staff. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, okay, got you. I just 4 didn't hear the rape part of it. 5 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. All of the capital outlay, 6 Commissioner, has to do with compliance with P.R.E.A. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's all. That's plenty. 8 MR. DAVIS: Yeah, and I can break it down. It's 9 cameras -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Got your question answered, 11 okay. You don't want to go there. 12 MR. DAVIS: The majority of it are cameras and 13 video equipment and that type of thing. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I need a nap. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question on -- and this is -- 16 this is another good thing. Resident medical has gone down 17 from 8,000 to 4,000. Put that in the category of good, so 18 what did you do good there? 19 MR. DAVIS: Again, it's based on population and 20 need. But we don't normally -- "we" being -- I'm on the 21 detention side, not probation. Probation does provide those 22 services, pay for that. Detention does not. Detention does 23 not pay for medical, because we're just contracting. 24 Detention contracts. Every county is responsible for their 25 own medical, and there was a -- that number was large in case 6-29-15 bwk 26 1 we got stuck holding the bag, basically. Let's say that we 2 had an issue with a county and we were not able to collect 3 from that county or that parent. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 5 MR. DAVIS: Fortunately, with Rosa Lavender's help, 6 she's been able to -- and she played a part in this. She's 7 been able to go to the hospital and go to the insurance 8 companies and kind of advocate on our behalf and say, Listen, 9 instead of billing the county, why don't you bill -- if we 10 can't get -- let's say we're contracting with Gillespie 11 County, and they've got a $1,000 bill for a kid that they've 12 placed in here. They're contractually responsible for it. I 13 mean, it's in our contract. For some reason, let's say we 14 can't -- there's an issue and it's going a long period of 15 time. That's why we have any money in that account at all, 16 is just so we can get the hospital or the doctor paid right 17 away. And so -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But you may get it back? 19 MR. DAVIS: We should get it back, and we usually 20 do. And what Rosa's helped us do is if we don't, then she's 21 getting them to direct -- "them" being the medical service 22 provider, to direct bill the child's family, thereby leaving 23 us out of it. And they're going to say, "We're not going to 24 pay this" -- and it's rare. I mean, that's happened one time 25 in the last year where we've had an issue where someone says, 6-29-15 bwk 27 1 "We didn't approve this medical service; we're not going to 2 pay for it." I was able to work it out with them, and they 3 eventually did pay for it, and actually before they were able 4 to, Rosa stepped in and direct-billed -- had the hospital 5 direct bill pay them. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's good. 7 MR. DAVIS: Yes, sir. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Another question on training. 9 MR. DAVIS: Yes? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Big increase. 11 MR. DAVIS: Yes. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 7,000, 8,000 to 12,000. 13 MR. DAVIS: Yes. In the last year, there was no 14 repetition in the building. There was -- we had individuals 15 that were trained, and we had at least three trainers in the 16 building for different -- all of our trainings in-house in 17 detention. And so we have to send trainers to go learn to be 18 trainers and to get the certifications they need. We had one 19 person that was basically training the whole building. Had 20 that individual been terminated, which was in question at one 21 point in time, we couldn't have hired new employees. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh? 23 MR. DAVIS: We had no way of hiring new employees, 24 'cause we couldn't train them. We had a lot of that where we 25 had a single individual training a class or a program. I 6-29-15 bwk 28 1 want to build in repetition to everything so we've got two 2 people trained -- at least two. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Trained to train. 4 MR. DAVIS: Trained to bring other staff on board 5 and train them for everything. That's why. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 MR. DAVIS: Is because I don't want any individual, 8 myself included, to be in a situation where they're so 9 crucial to the operation that we can't let them go. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sounds like a good move. 11 MR. DAVIS: That's right. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, that's all I had. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Anybody else have anything on that? 14 All right, let's go to the next one. 15 MR. DAVIS: Is that it? Thank y'all. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Animal Control. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Animal Control. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jody's going to check if Ray's 19 in the building, 'cause I don't see him. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't we skip, go to 22 miscellaneous fund until Ray gets here? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Come back, huh? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Want to go to 25 miscellaneous fund? 6-29-15 bwk 29 1 MR. ROBLES: What I did is I put your Adult 2 Probation after the Environmental Health and Animal Control. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. That's not going to 4 keep us from skipping around. 5 MR. ROBLES: No, it doesn't. This is just one line 6 for the -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, yeah, I remember that now. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: What fund is that -- account number 9 is that one? 10 MR. ROBLES: It's 10-571-410. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What tab would that be under? 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The first one after the tab 14 on miscellaneous funds. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. All right, yeah. 16 MR. ROBLES: They actually pay him the same thing 17 every year. If you look at the last two years, they're a 18 little bit off. I guess we put one payment in -- one extra 19 payment in one year, out the other. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What does D.O.E.P. stand for? 21 Department of -- 22 MR. ROBLES: No, it's Drug Offender Education 23 Program. 24 MS. BAILEY: Yes, D.O.E.P., Drug Offender Education 25 Program. 6-29-15 bwk 30 1 MR. ROBLES: One of their staff out there, I guess, 2 takes care of that. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do we just fund -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Here he is. 5 (Mr. Garcia entered the courtroom.) 6 MR. ROBLES: We've been paying at the same rate for 7 the last however many years. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Who is it? 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do they provide the service? 11 We pay for it. Do they do something? 12 MR. ROBLES: Yeah. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do we have an accountability 14 trail of some sort? 15 MR. ROBLES: Now, I'm not 100 percent, but I think 16 it's part of the classes that they offer. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do too. 18 MR. ROBLES: Just the instructor to pass them for 19 that program. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah, I do too. 21 MR. ROBLES: I can't remember who it is. I used to 22 know. It's one of the males out there. I can't remember his 23 name. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You don't like females or 25 what? 6-29-15 bwk 31 1 MR. ROBLES: No, I -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Don't even answer that. 3 MR. ROBLES: We're on the record here. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, is that one of those 5 questions that you don't answer any more? I see. Thank you. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to Ray's, 7 then. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Hi, Ray. 9 MR. GARCIA: Good morning. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're up. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Any questions, Mr. Baldwin? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have -- excuse me. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You are not Baldwin, so 14 don't get started on that stuff. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I get confused. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: You need to quit drinking 17 this early. I don't right this moment, but I will as we go 18 along. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: We can come back, no problem. All 20 right. Mr. Moser -- Mr. Baldwin, Jr.? No, just Precinct 2. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Ray, on site cleanup, about 22 the same as a couple years ago? 23 MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's -- sometimes you 25 need it; sometimes you don't, so that's just in there for, 6-29-15 bwk 32 1 like, the -- for one trailer that we've got? 2 MR. GARCIA: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That we're just going to have 4 to go clean it up and try and get our money back? 5 MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay. 7 MR. GARCIA: Yes. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So I don't have any other 9 questions on your stuff. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you have any questions? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't have any questions, but 12 I will make a comment. Ray has zeroed out capital outlay, 13 but he has a pretty good list of capital outlay, but it will 14 come out of the C.O. There was 200,000 budgeted originally 15 for that. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Bob and I have been working 18 with him on, you know, what needs to be done in the next two 19 to five years to keep the facility in compliance -- in basic 20 compliance, because the -- when Jeannie was here, I think 21 Jeannie and Ray, they've looked at the actual cost to redo 22 that is pretty much -- tear down and build a new facility is 23 about a million-plus dollars. So, we said, "Okay, out of 24 that 200,000, how much do you absolutely need to bridge this 25 gap until we can look at a permanent solution?" 6-29-15 bwk 33 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Okay, good. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He's going to come back at a 3 later time with that. 4 MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The only thing I've got, Ray, 6 your fleet of vehicles, I know you've gone up on gas and oil. 7 They are getting older and you're needing -- do you foresee 8 any major problems coming up, or just trying to keep running 9 what you've got running? 10 MR. GARCIA: We're trying to keep what we have 11 right now running. Again, the age of the vehicles range from 12 2008's, the earliest one we have, to the one I had, a 2014 13 vehicle. Again, the majority of them are all '08's and 14 2010's, so obviously the maintenance and the -- I made 6,000 15 calls last year, and the constant running of these vehicles, 16 they are requiring maintenance. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's what I was getting 18 concerned about. How old are your vehicles? Can we -- we're 19 going to have to make them limp along another year. Do you 20 feel we can do that? 21 MR. GARCIA: Oh, yes, we can do that. It's just, 22 again, the -- that line item was both departments merged 23 together, so it's continuing on from what that department was 24 before we merged. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It may not be a bad idea to 6-29-15 bwk 34 1 think about replacing one of those this year coming out of 2 capital items. Those are capital expenditures. And, I mean, 3 we have to at some point -- well, later on we're going -- I 4 guess we can look at where we are on those C.O.'s, but rather 5 than push it off, that C.O. money needs to be spent. It was 6 earmarked for your department. We can't use -- it's got to 7 be used for capital things. That's what we told the public 8 we were going to spend it on, so that may be an option too, 9 to replace one of them this year or something. But we can 10 look at that under capital expenditures. 11 MR. GARCIA: Yes, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Other than that, looks good. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Just as a comment, we've been -- 14 this facility out there, the animal facility has been visited 15 by people from other counties here fairly recently. Oh, it 16 kind of started with a conversation we had down at AACOG. 17 They've all been very impressed with Ray's operation and 18 organization of it, as well as all of -- all of his people in 19 there. They've been very unimpressed with our facility out 20 there. They come -- they went to Bandera first and saw a 21 brand-new facility over there, and then came over here, 22 commented that his was very well organized, but it -- but it 23 was a dump. And -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's a lot of issues with 25 it. I mean, there's a lot of problems out there with the 6-29-15 bwk 35 1 facility that need to be addressed, but we don't have the 2 funds or ability to do it right now. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: For what he has, he's doing a 5 good job. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: He really is, and they're -- in 7 fact, Judge Hurley came up, and he's going to have all of his 8 people come up and train with Ray if Ray will agree to do 9 that. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can we charge them? 11 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know about that. 12 MR. GARCIA: We'll have a consulting fee added to 13 that. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There you go. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's move on. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Play like you're an attorney. 17 MR. GARCIA: I do have one thing, Judge, that I 18 would -- I wanted to request in light of the way our rabies 19 control and measures that we have been taking, and again, the 20 increase of testing and the proactive measures that we've 21 been taking. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Oh, god, I thought we locked 23 that door. 24 MR. GARCIA: In my part-time line item, it was 25 4,680, and I'd like to keep that part-time line item there. 6-29-15 bwk 36 1 However, I'd like to get it so I can cover the year, which 2 will be under 26 hours a week, so I'd like to request that we 3 add 8,000 to that, and that would be administrative and 4 assisting there in the shelter as well. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Which line item is that? 6 MR. GARCIA: That is the part-time line item. It 7 is 10-643-108. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, got it. Thank you. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So you'd like to increase 10 that from 4,680 to 8,000? 11 MR. GARCIA: I'd like to add 8,000. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, 12,680. 13 MR. GARCIA: That would cover me for the -- the 14 year at $10 an hour. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Very timely. Let's 16 leave it there for the moment. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: For the moment. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, Mr. Baldwin. We said 19 we'd come back to you if you have any questions. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: None at all, thank you. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Then let's move on to the 22 next one, which is -- 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fire protection. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, okay. Who's here for that? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Nobody. 6-29-15 bwk 37 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Who's here for what? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Fire protection. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Fire protection. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's one thing we have 5 there, and that's -- we talked about -- and I don't know if 6 we do this under personnel or if we do it here, of creating a 7 position of Emergency Management Coordinator and Fire 8 Marshal. So, do we do that here, or do we do it under 9 personnel? I don't want it to fall through the crack. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think you -- you just 11 prevented it from falling through the crack. I think it 12 needs to be added to the list. I think we need to have all 13 personnel issues dealt with at one time, but make sure we add 14 that to the list. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the only other thing I 16 would comment on is -- is there's been no -- no request, but 17 no increases in the volunteer fire departments, so they 18 didn't say anything, so it's been pretty constant. They've 19 been doing a great job, so let that sleeping dog lie. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's all I have. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to the next 23 one. 24 MR. ROBLES: While we're still on that, the 25 EMS/fire contract we have with them says there's a C.P.I. 6-29-15 bwk 38 1 built into it. We put in -- was it a half a percent less? 2 MS. DOSS: Half a percent. 3 MR. ROBLES: 'Cause that's what the latest C.P.I. 4 was. We're going to get with the County Attorney and the 5 City Attorney, 'cause it's not really described at what point 6 do we use the C.P.I., so that number may go back up to 1.2 7 million; it may go above, depending on where we come to an 8 agreement on that. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On C.P.I. I don't know how 10 they do it. I know we went through -- City and County and 11 Airport Board went through recently what C.P.I. to use out 12 there. I don't know if that's applicable. 13 MR. ROBLES: It expresses it in the contract. It 14 just doesn't say when. 15 MS. DOSS: I used May. 16 MS. BAILEY: The issue in the Airport Board was not 17 which C.P.I. to use, but how to calculate it, so I don't know 18 if that's an issue for this, either. That was, do you 19 essentially compound the increase -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 21 MS. BAILEY: -- by going just to the last year, or 22 you do you go back to the original -- 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do you use the Dallas or -- 24 MS. BAILEY: Well, that is something -- I think we 25 did change it for the airport, but that won't -- that really 6-29-15 bwk 39 1 wasn't the issue. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 3 MS. BAILEY: But the C.P.I. needs to be looked at 4 so that we're doing it appropriately and consistently. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Anything else on the -- 7 on that? If not, we'll go to library. Public library. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I just want to make a 9 statement, that I still think it's wrong for the County not 10 to pay for the operations of the library. I think it's a 11 very important facility. I've got some stuff that's -- 12 that's ongoing to try to look at the balance on the first 13 order thing of across-the-board, and I'll just come back to 14 that at some point. But right now, I don't have anything. 15 But library is about 700,000 operating expense, so... 16 JUDGE POLLARD: I just have one thing to say in 17 response to that, and I think it's -- it's not fair for the 18 City to contribute towards Animal Control either. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Right. And that's 20 what I say, yeah, looking at Animal Control. So, I'll come 21 back to that if appropriate. Okay. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Both parties are kind of okay 24 with the status-quo, sort of. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's a lot of residents 6-29-15 bwk 40 1 that are not okay with the status-quo on library. But let me 2 just come back to that rather than trying to go into detail 3 now, which I'm not prepared to do. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, I can't -- I can't let 5 this go by -- I can't let a storm go past without getting 6 something out of it. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Without lighting a fuse? 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Without lighting a fuse. 9 The City should be ashamed of the way they treat the citizens 10 in Kerr County, bottom line. They need to provide library 11 services for those people that have paid taxes all of these 12 years, just like the city residents do. There's no 13 difference. They should be ashamed of themselves. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And I think they are. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: No mediation. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Speaking of that, you know, 18 we have a -- at some point, I want to remind us that we need 19 to talk about the recycling center that I understand is 20 moving this week. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Tomorrow will be the last day 22 on Schreiner Street. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. So -- 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And then it will be moving to 25 the landfill. And that's probably what I'm getting as many 6-29-15 bwk 41 1 calls on as anything. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: And emails. I'm getting them too. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We have moved it -- it's 4 getting moved from basically a very centralized location for 5 most of the county to better for -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: The eastern end. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- the eastern end. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do we even know where it is? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't know where it is. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I'm saying. If 11 somebody has a truckload of recycling, we don't know where to 12 take it. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think the landfill, the 14 old soccer fields. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I'm saying. I'm 16 just curious. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think that's where it's 18 going. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we don't know -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not on the soccer fields. Down 21 the road towards the soccer folds. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Down the road towards the 23 soccer fields. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maybe -- maybe there's a sign. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's what I said. 6-29-15 bwk 42 1 JUDGE POLLARD: He is lighting fuses, isn't he? 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: But -- 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And one question that was 4 given to me last Friday was, what is the disagreement between 5 the City and County over the recycling? And I told them I 6 don't know that there was one. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There isn't. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know of one either. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't know of any. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know of one. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: They're acting unilaterally. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As I understand, county 13 residents are still going to use the facility, and our -- the 14 decision will be for the Court to decide what to do with the 15 property. 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's where -- really where 17 it was headed. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's no conflict. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That was my response; I was 20 not aware of a conflict. But that's what they'd been told -- 21 individuals have been told by the people at the recycling 22 center, that it was a conflict between the City and the 23 County. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not to my knowledge. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 6-29-15 bwk 43 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Parks. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Parks. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I think we need to keep 4 them. Keep the parks. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Couple -- couple of things. 6 We've talked -- we had a workshop where -- it's under 7 miscellaneous, the next one. We had a workshop and we talked 8 about parks, and I think there were several things, and I 9 don't know if we bring them up here under capital or if we 10 have a separate thing. But we talked about a fence around 11 River Star; needed to do that, and I don't know if we got an 12 estimate on that. I think we need a couple of more 13 port-a-potties at Flat Rock Park, one at the -- at the dog 14 run and the other one in the middle, and that would be about 15 $3,000. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Question. Do we need a dog run any 17 more when the City's opened up a dog park? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Why not? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, we do. That's -- people 21 -- I go out there quite often and talk to the people there. 22 They -- one couple said that's the best dog park -- they 23 travel a lot. They said that's the best dog park that 24 they've ever been to in the United States. People are out 25 there -- I don't know where Tim is; he's usually here. 6-29-15 bwk 44 1 People use that thing all the time, and it's a great thing. 2 But there's no -- no port-a-potty close to it, and there's a 3 very convenient set of woods there that we're trying to keep 4 pollution out of the river, so I think we need to have two 5 more port-a-potties. And -- and if we're going to have the 6 workshop or the public hearing on rules and regulations, 7 we're going to have to put some signs up with whatever we 8 come out with so people understand, so probably about 500 9 bucks for signs at the three parks. And I don't -- and we 10 also, in the master plan, had playground equipment for 35,000 11 at Lions Park. We've made a lot of improvements out there 12 this last year; the volleyball, the boat ramp, more picnic 13 things, but there isn't anything for the little kids. So, 14 we -- in the master plan, we had that, so that would be 15 35,000 if we add that. And we also have something in -- Bob, 16 for Ingram Dam. I don't remember what that was. Parking lot 17 or something, I think that was. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Mr. Hastings, what have we 19 done on the parking lot at -- to-date at the boat dock at 20 Ingram? 21 MR. HASTINGS: They did a little bit of repair on 22 the -- that little walk area that you talked about, but other 23 than that, we're just -- we're holding off, waiting to see if 24 it becomes a budgetary item or not. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. 6-29-15 bwk 45 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we talked about 2 sealcoating out at Lions Park. Talking with Charlie, we said 3 let's don't do that, let's just go in there and grade it 4 every year and see how that works rather than adding any 5 additional thing that needs to be maintained. Plus the base 6 wasn't adequate for it, so just the -- grade it each year and 7 see how that goes. And it looks pretty good, even with all 8 the rain that we've had. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only comment I have, I 10 mean, I think we probably need to flag this and come back 11 when we're talking about maintenance. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the whole -- 'cause it all 14 is kind of related. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's been discussions of 17 whether we should do a parks department separate from 18 maintenance. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know it really increases 21 personnel, but -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fair enough. It's a big 23 thing. I think we ought to do that. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess my question is, what is 25 Riverside Park? 6-29-15 bwk 46 1 MR. ROBLES: It's -- I just edited that. It's 2 supposed to say "River Star." 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, River Star, okay. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I had a question on that. 5 MR. ROBLES: That's when we first acquired the 6 property and I thought it was called Riverside, but obviously 7 it's not. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Isn't that the name of part of 10 the subdivision in Center Point? We don't want to go there. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Quite a few Riversides in 12 Kerr County. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think it's a good idea. 14 Good suggestion. We'll come back to that. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Let's go to Alternative 17 Dispute Resolution. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good program. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It is. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question. What is this? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the dispute resolution 22 center across the street. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Right. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's where we're going to 6-29-15 bwk 47 1 send you. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I'm not causing any 3 disputes. 4 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Not in the last 15 or 20 5 seconds. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Those people save the courts a lot 7 of money. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I remember that. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: We probably save three bucks for 10 every buck we send over there. Probably more than that. 11 Wouldn't you agree? 12 MS. BAILEY: Oh, absolutely. I was the president 13 of that organization for about eight years, and they have 14 generally -- I don't know in the last few years, but, like, 15 an 80 to 85 percent resolution rate of everything that gets 16 sent over there, which means 8 out of 10 cases that go over 17 there don't go to trial, don't have to take up further time 18 and money through the courts. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Last year it was 87-something 20 percent. 21 MS. BAILEY: It's a great organization. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Who manages -- or who's -- 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Ed Reaves. 24 MS. BAILEY: Ed Reaves is the Executive Director. 25 It's run by a board of directors; it's a 501(c)(3). 6-29-15 bwk 48 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, okay. 2 MS. BAILEY: Mostly attorneys, but there's usually 3 some non-attorneys on the board. They meet quarterly, but 4 pretty much Ed Reaves, who is a retired JAG officer, so he 5 doesn't have to get paid what he's really worth, so he can 6 afford to take the pittance that he receives as a salary to 7 do -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: He retired from the Air Force as a 9 Lieutenant Colonel. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: But he was in JAG; first started 12 off in the Marine Corps and switched over to the Air Force 13 after that. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I tell you what I like about 15 the group, is that two sides sit down and discuss the issues, 16 as opposed to going to the courtroom every time. You know, 17 like that's the way we're supposed to do things, is look each 18 other in the eye and work through issues. And that's kind of 19 what they do, and I like that a lot. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Let me modify that just a little 21 bit. I'm not sure they look each other in the eye too much. 22 They start offer with the first meeting that way, and then 23 they move them in two separate rooms, and the mediator 24 becomes a filter -- 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Correct. 6-29-15 bwk 49 1 JUDGE POLLARD: -- at that time. Like, one side 2 says, "You tell that S.O.B. so-and-so," and the mediator goes 3 in there and says, "Well, they're not particularly fond of 4 your proposal." (Laughter.) And when you take all of that 5 out of it, it kind of waters things down and allows people to 6 vent at the same time and get things settled and resolved. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: As opposed to going to the 8 courtroom. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: It is a great program, let me tell 10 you. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Let's move on to the next 13 one, which is -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Clean Water. Where is that, 15 James? 16 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What is it? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: War memorial. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's out there on the 19 corner. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I was looking at Clean Water. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is in here for -- it's all 22 been done. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I have suggested on this back 25 side, there's a lot of extra room out there that's not being 6-29-15 bwk 50 1 utilized for anything, and I suggested when they were putting 2 in the ends on there -- I asked Zirkle to give us an estimate 3 on putting one longer bench on this side. And I noticed that 4 there are people sitting out there sometimes, and there's two 5 small benches on the other side, and nothing on the back 6 side. And we've also done something recently about putting 7 some new lighting in out there, and Tim has taken care of 8 that and gotten some knew lighting on it. And, again, I want 9 to remind everybody about the dedication of the war memorial 10 coming up this coming Saturday at 11 a.m., and I suggest we 11 get a lot of publicity, and we'd like to have a lot of 12 support for that. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- the things you 14 mentioned I think are fine, but just a -- rather than have -- 15 it ought to go under courthouse grounds, rather than have a 16 separate line item. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm proposing that that -- when we 18 do that and get that estimate, that we raise -- there are 19 people wanting to pay for that kind of stuff, so it's just 20 going to be an in-and-out deal. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Ain't going to cost the county 23 anything. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. If it goes that way, we 25 ought to do it -- have a good line for item for it, because 6-29-15 bwk 51 1 it keeps track of it separately. 2 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I agree. I think that's a 3 great thing, Judge. Thank you for doing that. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, I'm going to give credit to 5 Judge Tinley for that, because he started the momentum for 6 this a long time ago. By the way, his son, Patrick Tinley, 7 Jr., is going to be there to talk on Saturday morning. Okay, 8 let's go to capital financing. 9 MR. ROBLES: This is more just to discuss, you 10 know, what y'all want to do than anything. The actual 11 budgets for these are pretty self-explanatory. They're just 12 bond and interest payments, but I just wanted to put them on 13 here so y'all could discuss any capital projects or anything 14 of that nature. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there a -- can you give us 16 what the balance in each of these is? Because I know that 17 there's -- 18 MR. ROBLES: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Some of them, you can't keep in 20 here forever; we got to spend it. You get into all kinds -- 21 MS. DOSS: The balance on the capital projects? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, on each one of these. 23 And if you don't have it now, we can get it, the balance in 24 each one of these, the -- each one of the funds. 25 MS. DOSS: Okay. On the debt service funds? 6-29-15 bwk 52 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, what is left out of the 2 capital. 3 MS. DOSS: Oh, okay. I don't think I have that 4 with me. 5 MR. ROBLES: I can probably pull something up. 6 MS. DOSS: We do have a workshop tomorrow; I can 7 get that. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And a lot of it is, I believe, 9 earmarked by department. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Right. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So the Sheriff always has his 12 hand out for some of this. Rusty, how was vacation? 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Not long enough. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought you had all those 15 kids with you; you ought to be happy. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I thought you wanted to 17 get back. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Three dogs and two grandkids; 19 it makes -- it's time for a vacation. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you cut it short? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: So you're saying now is the real 23 vacation? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: To recover from that. 6-29-15 bwk 53 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is more of a vacation. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: I understand that. Been there. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll ask you what I asked Bob. 4 Did you gain any weight? Bob did. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: When you're chasing a 6 7-year-old and a 9-year-old around, you're not going to gain 7 much weight. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further discussion, 9 questions or whatever about this? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do they have -- do you have 11 those numbers? 12 MR. ROBLES: Well, I have these right here. In the 13 2008, we have 17,000 left in the courthouse -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wait. How -- I don't know 15 where you are in the book now. 16 MR. ROBLES: This is not -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, I'm sorry. Okay. 18 MR. ROBLES: -- not in the book. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can we put this on the agenda 20 so we can look at each item? We could do that under our next 21 agenda, maybe put, you know, each fund, what was designated. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Not in a workshop, but a regular 23 agenda? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Either way. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A workshop. 6-29-15 bwk 54 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do it at our next -- whatever 2 y'all want. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're doing one tomorrow. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You can put it on tomorrow's 5 workshop if you have it. 6 MS. DOSS: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: How many funds are there? 8 Are there three? 9 MR. ROBLES: Let's see, we have the 2008, 2010, 10 2012, and 2014. We got four. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: And there's funds left over 13 in each one of those, do you think? 14 MR. ROBLES: Some of them -- 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let's have a visit. 16 MR. ROBLES: Some of them, not much. Some of them 17 have quite a bit. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Somewhere in this courthouse 19 grounds or expenses or whatever, maybe we could find some 20 funds available to hire somebody to take care of the 21 courthouse grounds. Tim and his people -- 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: These are capital items. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can't do it. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I know. All right. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's part of the parks. 6-29-15 bwk 55 1 That's part of the parks. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Make that part of the parks, 3 right. Yeah, I think that would be a good place to put it. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: I approached these people out here 5 at the Ag Barn to have the project out there to see if they 6 would be willing to assume taking over flower beds around the 7 courthouse. They were willing to come by and consult with us 8 and tell us what we need to do, but they don't want to take 9 it over. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would not recommend going 11 that route. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a good -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: -- Tim's people are complaining 15 they're just spread so thin. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's why we're putting 17 maintenance and parks and all that off until we figure out 18 the Ag Barn, because that's the big -- that's the -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: It's all tied together; I 20 understand that. But I just don't want that to fall through 21 the cracks either. Yes, sir? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: On that, hopefully I can get 23 B.J.'s position filled at some point and start working 24 inmates again, but right now we just don't have -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: That would be nice. 6-29-15 bwk 56 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- any people to qualify. 2 We're trying, Judge. On the certificate of obligation, if 3 you're going to have that tomorrow, the only thing I thought 4 I would mention, 'cause I won't be able to be here 5 tomorrow -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's why we're doing it 7 tomorrow. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's what I figured. 9 (Laughter.) But just some figures you ought to write down, 10 in the 2012 C.O., there's a hundred -- what we were given in 11 March by Jeannie, 183,701 is for patrol cars. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: For what? 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 183,701 is for patrol cars 14 that have been ordered. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Patrol cars? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: For now. That total cost of 17 those patrol cars is 184,071, plus probably another 500 for 18 some of the flashlights and gear and all that they didn't get 19 added to it, okay? So, that's going to be just about 700, 20 800 short. But that's what is in there to be spent, and then 21 I'll have to come up with the additional 700 or 800 from 22 somewhere, okay. But what was earmarked is 183,701. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Do you agree with that? 24 (Mr. Robles nodded.) 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. 6-29-15 bwk 57 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: What we have printed out, just 2 so you're aware of that for tomorrow -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where -- we skipped over Clean 4 Water. That was on the agenda. I don't know if it's in the 5 list there. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Clean Water SRF, it's down 7 here. It should be. 8 (Low-voice discussion off the record.) 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where is it, Jon? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's under debt service. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A third -- 14 MR. ROBLES: Should be the second-to-last page. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Cool, clean water. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Remind me what this is. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That was the -- under the 19 design portion of the grant, there was a portion that we 20 borrowed from the Water Development Board to pay our portion 21 of it. It wasn't 100 percent paid for by the State. Some of 22 it was paid locally. 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: The Center Point function? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And this is the debt 25 service on the portion -- I believe it was a -- 30 percent of 6-29-15 bwk 58 1 that, I believe, was the responsibility of the County. And 2 that was roughly, what, $3 million, so -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 30 percent, 900,000 was put 5 into -- you know, we borrowed, and it's under a very 6 low-interest loan. And the -- anyway, that's what it is. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There will be an additional -- 9 depending on -- there will be a lot more meetings on this, 10 but as we move forward with the actual construction, there 11 will be a county match as well, and -- well, we don't know; 12 it can be anywhere from zero to 30 percent that's the 13 County's responsibility. That amount is paid for by -- the 14 ratepayers and will be paying that back, you know, through 15 their -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Reimbursements. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- reimbursements, so it's not 18 paid for -- it may be -- or I guess you'd say -- I suspect 19 we'll be responsible for it, but the funds -- the general 20 taxpayers will be responsible for it, but it will come out of 21 the ratepayers in the project. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: As you say, that's another 23 long discussion. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. So, it's -- anyway, but 25 we had a meeting the other day, met with the Auditor and the 6-29-15 bwk 59 1 engineers and consultants and all that stuff, and Road and 2 Bridge, and we'll have another meeting sometime in July with 3 the Water Development Board staff to really iron out exactly 4 how all this project's going to move forward, how it's going 5 to have to be phased, looks like, from a funding standpoint. 6 But, anyway, so that will be coming back to the Court 7 numerous times to go over, but that's kind of where it's 8 going. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Let me ask you one more 11 question about this clean water deal here. Is this a $59,000 12 annual payment toward the loan? 13 MR. ROBLES: Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Is that what that amounts 16 to? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. If there's no further 20 questions about that, we'll move on to the next one. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we're through. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Before we leave, just kind of 25 a -- a question. Last week we talked about having our -- the 6-29-15 bwk 60 1 meeting with Global Spectrum and Pinnacle coming -- they were 2 going to come in the 6th and meet on the 7th. Global 3 Spectrum has some conflicts. They will make it happen that 4 way, but if it works out from their schedule, it's a little 5 bit easier for them to come in on the 7th and meet on the 6 8th. Is that okay with the Court? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay with me. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Fine with me. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's just -- I just wanted to 10 bring it up, 'cause I said as of -- I know that Peter 11 Zingoni, who was originally -- originally made the 12 presentation, he is flying to get here on the 7th. He's 13 leaving Idaho that morning of the 7th to get here, 'cause 14 he's doing the same thing in Idaho. So, anyway -- and I said 15 we had to meet, but there may be a little bit of flexibility. 16 I'll get with him. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's good. Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So, if it works out 19 better, we'll do it on the 8th. 20 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, that is a possibility? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Possibility. 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: What you're saying? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Possibility. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So we need to block off the 25 8th. 6-29-15 bwk 61 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 7th and 8th. We'll know by the 2 end of this week, certainly. 3 MS. DOSS: This is when we're doing the interviews? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. I think it will probably 5 sill be on the 7th, but probably a little bit later in the 6 day. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Got you. 8 MR. ROBLES: In all likelihood, we'll probably need 9 one more meeting after the 6th to discuss -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: After the 8th. 11 MR. ROBLES: We're just piling a lot of stuff onto 12 the 6th, and I don't know if y'all want to be here all day 13 long, or if y'all can. I'm sure you have stuff to do. But 14 probably we'll have one more meeting, so I'll get with Jody 15 to work on a good day, maybe mid-July. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Now, when we meet with these 18 two folks, is that going to be the day that we actually make 19 a decision? Or are we going to -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Part of the budget. 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- roll it out even further? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I would like to make a decision 23 that day, personally, but it's going to be up to -- 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Got to make a decision at 25 some point. 6-29-15 bwk 62 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, yeah. And the format I 2 told them is that there would be a 10-, 15-minute -- or 3 10-minute overview of their business, of their company, and 4 then a 20-minute detailed discussion on their proposal for 5 this facility, and then question and answers during that 6 whole process, time to interact. We're going to ask 7 questions. We need to schedule it, so I said allow 30 to 45 8 minutes for each company. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And they said -- you know, they 11 said fine. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I think if there's 13 nothing further, we're adjourned. 14 (Budget workshop adjourned at 10:10 a.m.) 15 - - - - - - - - - - 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-29-15 bwk 63 1 STATE OF TEXAS | 2 COUNTY OF KERR | 3 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 4 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 5 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 6 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 7 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 2nd day of July, 2015. 8 9 REBECCA BOLIN, Kerr County Clerk 10 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 11 Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6-29-15 bwk