1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS COURT 9 Budget Workshop 10 Tuesday, July 14, 2015 11 10:30 a.m. 12 Commissioners' Courtroom 13 Kerr County Courthouse 14 Kerrville, Texas 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge H. A. "BUSTER" BALDWIN, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I N D E X July 14, 2015 2 PAGE 3 Participate in budget workshops with county departments, including, but not limited to: 4 Maintenance (Courthouse and related buildings, 5 parks, jail, and Hill Country Youth Event Center ) 3 6 Parks (including improvements) 31 7 Library 38 8 Additional personnel -- 9 --- Adjourned 83 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 On Tuesday, July 14, 2015, at 10:30 a.m., a budget 2 workshop of the Kerr County Commissioners Court was held in 3 the Commissioners' Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, 4 Kerrville, Texas, and the following proceedings were had in 5 open court: 6 P R O C E E D I N G S 7 JUDGE POLLARD: This says the Commissioners Court 8 will hold a workshop at 10 a.m. July 14, 2015, in County 9 Commissioners Courtroom, Kerr County Courthouse, to 10 participate in budget workshops with county departments 11 including, but not limited to, Maintenance, courthouse and 12 related buildings, jail, parks, Hill Country Youth Event 13 Center, and parks, including improvements; library -- 14 library? And additional personnel. All right, that session 15 is open for the workshop. Now, who wants to proceed on 16 talking about -- does the Auditor want to proceed on that? 17 Do you want to, James? 18 MS. DOSS: Maintenance. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Or Maintenance. All right, let's 20 go. Maintenance. Go ahead. 21 MR. BOLLIER: What I have there is what I have. In 22 510, you will notice that down on -- 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's find it. 24 MR. ROBLES: About halfway through the binder. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Halfway through? 7-14-15 bwk 4 1 MR. ROBLES: It'll be a blue tab. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There it is. Thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And we're talking about 4 courthouse and related buildings, Mr. Bollier? 5 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. If you notice down on 6 office supplies -- office supplies, well, that's too much 7 money there. That should only be about three grand there. I 8 don't know where 10,000 came from. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: On office supplies? 10 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, on 310. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought it was 3,000. 12 MS. DOSS: It is 3,000. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: It is 3,000 on ours. 14 MR. BOLLIER: Okay, I'm looking at the wrong -- 15 okay, we're good. I put that in there because every year my 16 toners are costing me a little more money, and most of the 17 time I don't have more than $500 in that line item, and 18 toners almost cost me $1,000 when I order toners, and I have 19 to do that twice a year. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, now, if you look at your 21 trend, 300, 500 actual, 2,000 actual. The budget last year 22 was 500, and now 3,000? Toners have really gone up. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Well, most of the time I take that 24 somewhere else, Commissioner -- out of somewhere else. I 25 have to make a budget amendment with the Auditor's office 7-14-15 bwk 5 1 when I order those. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, the idea of a budget is 3 to estimate what you think you need. 4 MR. BOLLIER: Right. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Not to say, "I'm going to take 6 it out of someplace else." 7 MR. BOLLIER: That's the reason I have estimated it 8 to be 3,000. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm just looking at your 10 actuals, Tim. 11 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, I understand. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I'm listening. 13 MR. BOLLIER: I don't know what to tell you, sir. 14 I -- 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Have you bought toner this 16 year? 17 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. I ordered enough from last 18 year, two packages at the end -- I mean, two complete sets. 19 I have a color printer, and it takes four toners. I ordered 20 two complete sets at the end of last year, last year's 21 budget. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How many printers do you have? 23 One? 24 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean, to me, maybe 1,000. 7-14-15 bwk 6 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I couldn't imagine 2 $3,000 for toners. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If the 2,000 from last year 4 covered part of this year 'cause you bought extra, -- 5 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 1,000 should be -- should 7 work. 8 MR. BOLLIER: How much are you putting in there, 9 Commissioner Letz? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1,000. That equalizes -- that 11 spreads out last year's and this year's. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, good. 13 MR. BOLLIER: And ground maintenance, that's for 14 outside here, the courthouse ground maintenance part of it. 15 I don't know that we need any more money in there, unless we 16 decide to do something with the yard, the courthouse yard. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That will be a capital item 18 anyway. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Tim, I want to ask you a 20 question on utility -- well, no, let's see. Utilities, the 21 actuals were 69, almost 70,000. And this year, you say 70. 22 Is that enough? 23 MR. BOLLIER: Utilities? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. On Line Item 440, your 25 actuals, you know, were pretty high; 56, 66, almost 70 in 7-14-15 bwk 7 1 2014, and I'm wondering if 70,000 is enough in the budget for 2 this year. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that utilities for the -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is courthouse. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: -- show barn too? This is 6 courthouse? 7 MR. BOLLIER: Courthouse. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I look at it as it's tight, 9 probably, Commissioner. But last year was a hot year, and 10 A/C costs more, and 69,000 barely came into -- this has been 11 a cool year, which is probably why we're low. Or, I mean, it 12 could go maybe up 5,000 but it's -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's probably pretty close. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I thought maybe you had some 16 idea on how to reduce utility costs or something. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have gone with a lot of 18 light changes, different bulbs. 19 MR. BOLLIER: And I'm still doing -- I still have a 20 few that -- a little bit of that left to do. We have went 21 from the big light bulbs to the little -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If you're comfortable, that's 23 fine with me. 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, what about the war 25 memorial issues that we've been talking about, benches and 7-14-15 bwk 8 1 lights and -- 2 JUDGE POLLARD: I think that has to do with this 3 200,000 that you're talking about. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it comes out of the 5 capital account, anything we have for that, any kind of major 6 changes. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: The only way it could affect this 8 part of it is if it's decided that whatever's left in that 9 capital account was intended for the Animal Control office, 10 if there's some excess left in there, and it's decided that 11 that ought to be left and applied to Animal Control, and 12 maybe towards the new building. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we can hold it 14 long enough to keep it for the new building. We can spend it 15 on things, but you get into arbitrage if we hold it more than 16 three years, I think. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Tim? 18 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir? 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We've had some pretty 20 significant maintenance issues this year, repairs. I know a 21 lot of it was covered by insurance. I guess the flood, that 22 was actually in the last fiscal year, wasn't it, since it 23 happened in September? 24 MR. BOLLIER: September, yes, sir. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. And most of that -- I 7-14-15 bwk 9 1 thought I saw Ms. Lantz come in. Most of that was from 2 insurance, wasn't it? 3 MS. LANTZ: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Paid out of that, okay. Have 5 you had any other significant repairs that wasn't caused by 6 something that insurance would cover this year? Or was it a 7 pretty typical year? 8 MR. BOLLIER: Just a pretty typical year. I mean, 9 I had to replace a condensing unit on top of the courthouse 10 last week, and that was because I had a compressor go out, 11 and it's just cheaper to put the whole condensing unit up 12 there than try to buy a new compressor, and it comes with a 13 three-year warranty, so that's -- it was just cheaper to go 14 with a whole new condensing unit. And I usually have 15 probably one or two of those a year, here and there. So -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a general question, 17 which is half to the Court and half to the Auditor -- maybe a 18 third, third, third. Tim has -- or Maintenance has 19 courthouse and related buildings, jail maintenance -- jail 20 maintenance makes sense to be separate. 21 MR. BOLLIER: Parks. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: General maintenance. Then we 23 have a parks fund, and then the Hill Country Youth Event 24 Center. Okay, jail and Hill Country Youth makes sense. I've 25 been a Commissioner a long time, and I still don't know the 7-14-15 bwk 10 1 difference between general maintenance -- I mean, between 2 these line items. Is there a reason we don't combine it into 3 a maintenance budget? I mean, jail is separate; I understand 4 that. And Hill Country Youth Event Center is separate. And 5 to me, we would combine maintenance into maintenance and -- 6 and I call it parks, but it really doesn't mean parks; I mean 7 outside, like lawn care and parks. And if we budget like 8 that, it would be a whole lot easier for me to figure out 9 what we're doing. Does anyone else have any thoughts along 10 those lines? 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Can I make a run at it? I 12 think that you and I separated it years ago. (Laughter.) So 13 -- so that we could keep a correct and -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bob and I have been wondering 15 about that. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't deny that I probably 17 had a hand in separating it. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I'm serious; I think we 19 separated it out so we could actually -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: That makes some logic to me, 21 because if one of the facilities begins -- you get big 22 increases as to that facility, it kind of points out that we 23 need to pay attention to that facility, and maybe even build 24 a new facility. I don't know. Whereas it kind of gets lost 25 in one big -- big thing, and doesn't -- so I don't know. I 7-14-15 bwk 11 1 guess it's kind of a control factor. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I look at it on the -- for 3 everything except salaries, it makes sense. But how -- it's 4 kind of arbitrary how we designate -- how the salaries are 5 divided up, to me. 6 MR. BOLLIER: I believe the main reason that they 7 separated all the budgets was to come up with how much money 8 we spend in the parks, just like Judge Pollard was saying, to 9 keep up with how much money we spend in the parks, how much 10 money we spend in 510 and related buildings, at the jail, and 11 at the barn, and I think that's the reason we did that. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's the difference between 13 general maintenance and courthouse and related buildings? Is 14 courthouse and related buildings just this campus, and 15 general maintenance is Animal Control and everything else? 16 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 510 takes care of every -- 17 all the other facilities except for the -- except for the 18 parks, the Ag Barn, and the jail. 510, I do J.P. 4 out of. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Other facilities? 20 MR. BOLLIER: Every facility. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Doesn't apply to the courthouse and 22 the Ag Barn or any of those; it's just the other facilities. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 24 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 510 consists of this 25 building -- of the courthouse and all other facilities except 7-14-15 bwk 12 1 for the Ag Barn, the jail, and the parks. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What does 513 cover? 3 MR. BOLLIER: 513 is the parks. That's the Lions 4 Park. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 513, instead of general 6 maintenance, is parks? 7 MR. BOLLIER: Well, that's what it's been. I don't 8 know. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It says general maintenance in 10 the book I'm looking at. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Could we change the title of that 13 to -- 14 MS. DOSS: Yes, sir. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: -- say that? 16 MS. DOSS: Yes, sir. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: You know, so we can tell what these 19 things are. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That would help. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have the same question. 22 General maintenance for what? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, that helps. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Are there others that need a title 7-14-15 bwk 13 1 changed? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, that makes -- I mean -- 3 MR. ROBLES: What do you want to change it to? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Parks. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Parks maintenance. 6 MR. BOLLIER: Parks maintenance, just for the 7 mowing, trimming trees, picking up trash. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Now, does parks cover mowing 10 this facility? 11 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, good. It's broken out 13 the way I thought. I was confused by the names. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It hasn't been that long ago 15 it was called parks. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought it was. 17 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: True. Like, last year. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Did I change that too? 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Parks-slash-courthouse maintenance. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, don't call it courthouse, 21 'cause you got -- 22 MR. BOLLIER: The parks budget actually covers -- 23 the parks budget actually covers all the mowing. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Call it just mowing, outside 25 maintenance. 7-14-15 bwk 14 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. So, mowing. How's that? 2 MR. BOLLIER: Mowing, trimming -- yes, sir. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 'Cause you got building 4 maintenance in here too. 5 MR. BOLLIER: I didn't do this. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's your budget. 7 MR. BOLLIER: It was handed to me like this; I just 8 took over. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How about parks and outside 10 maintenance? 11 JUDGE POLLARD: That's better. Anything that 12 helps. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So, out of your 513 -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Can you go back? 510 -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other questions of -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Not on 510. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: -- Maintenance? Okay. Or any of 19 the other areas. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, 513. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let's go to 511 and jail. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, sorry. Jail. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's pretty much just basic 24 repairs, okay. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just a curiosity question. 7-14-15 bwk 15 1 This is not taking issue with it, but on repairs in the jail, 2 what -- Rusty, what did that existing jail cost 20 years ago? 3 Do you remember? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Six-point-something million. 5 That was the Sheriff's Office and the whole complex built 6 with a bond issue for six-point-something. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The reason I was asking that, 8 I was just trying to get some feel on what percentage we 9 spend on repairs. We know what the cost of building the 10 facility was. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's 20 years old now. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And what you have more issues 14 of in the jail now than anything, number one is water, okay, 15 whether it's old copper lines they put in have deteriorated 16 and you're replacing 3-inch lines, or whether it's all the 17 automatic valves to each and every cell and each and every -- 18 you know, faucet in them has its own shut-off. Everything -- 19 and those automatic ones that stay on if you push a button; 20 it stays on two or three minutes and then shuts off. Those 21 things wear out just with the -- the hard water we have and 22 that, without having a good softener on that kind of stuff. 23 The boiler systems and air-conditioner units are your -- your 24 main issues that you run with the jail. Now we're starting 25 to have more and more issues with the electronic locks. You 7-14-15 bwk 16 1 know, sallyport doors, all that, because it -- it's all being 2 operated 24 hours a day. And the for 20 years, I think we've 3 done pretty good. But Tim has -- and we have, Commissioner, 4 if you ever want to look at them, every single thing that has 5 to have any kind of maintenance done on it, there is a 6 maintenance request filled out by the jail staff that sees 7 it, and then it is approved by me, and then it goes to the 8 Maintenance Department, and we keep copies of all that. And 9 normally at least five to six a day. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My question was just kind of 11 looking at percentage. If I look at the repairs, just say 12 it's a $6 million facility, okay, so it's about 1 percent per 13 year. It's been pretty constant at that, so just some rule 14 of thumb. That's -- 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. It would go up 16 drastically, except in the expansion they're replacing the 17 roof as part of it, and a lot of those air-conditioners. 18 Otherwise, you'd see your maintenance go up. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I would think the repairs 20 would increase in time. Okay, about 1 percent. Okay, 21 thanks. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other questions? How about 23 expenditures, if there are no questions about maintenance -- 24 jail maintenance? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let's see. Okay. 7-14-15 bwk 17 1 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: 513. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Tim, in your allocation overall 3 of personnel, do you feel the way it's listed in the budget 4 right now is pretty accurate? 5 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As accurate as you can -- I 7 know there's crossover. 8 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Are we on 513 now? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 13 MR. BOLLIER: 513? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question on your 513-400, 15 trash. 16 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Trash service. I know you've 18 had -- you have a big increase here, $5,000. But I know you 19 also had a lot of additional -- having to go out, a special 20 effort to pick up trash, so -- 21 MR. BOLLIER: The biggest -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- what's your thought process 23 there? 24 MR. BOLLIER: Well, the biggest problem I have 25 here, Commissioner Moser, is that we used to dump our brush 7-14-15 bwk 18 1 and stuff in the dog park and burn it. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 3 MR. BOLLIER: But we can no longer do that, so I'm 4 having to haul everything to the dump. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 MR. BOLLIER: And that's the reason I have to mark 7 it up here. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. All right, makes sense. 9 MR. BOLLIER: And, you know, I really don't know 10 just how much. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that makes -- yeah, I 12 forgot about that. That's a good point. 13 MR. BOLLIER: I didn't think that that was too 14 much. We'll find out by the end of the year. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Any other questions? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No -- yeah, one other question 18 on operating equipment. 19 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You had a big increase there. 21 What is that? 22 MR. BOLLIER: Well, they had 3,500. I cut it last 23 year, and it's always had $6,000 in it, or $5,000. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, you've been running 25 actuals about four, so -- 7-14-15 bwk 19 1 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. And out of that is what we 2 buy -- that's what we buy our lawnmowers with, our 3 weed-eaters with, weed-eater string, two-cycle oil, lawnmower 4 blades, spark plugs. You know, that's how we keep our -- our 5 lawn equipment going. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Part of that is also push 7 mowers that were used by the outside trustees, and I do 8 intend on, during this year, trying to get that kicked back 9 off. It -- I just had an employee retire. Hopefully we'll 10 get that, but they go through push mowers quite a bit, 11 because that's -- we don't allow outside trustees on the 12 riding mowers and all that, so they use push mowers and 13 everything, and all that comes through maintenance. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I was just looking at a 15 pretty big increase from actuals to what you had last year. 16 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, is it enough if you're going 18 to have -- boy, if you have to buy a mower, that's going 19 to -- 20 MR. BOLLIER: Well, I have also -- I don't know 21 where we're going with 666, so 666 also has money there for 22 the same kind of stuff. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 666? 24 MR. BOLLIER: In capital outlay. I do not know 25 where I'm -- where we're going with the 666, so -- 7-14-15 bwk 20 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, are you happy with the 2,000 2 that's in there? 3 MR. BOLLIER: There's 5,000 -- there's 6,000 there, 4 sir. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's been four, four, four, 6 250 -- 2,500, and now six, so it's a big jump. That's the 7 reason I was asking. 8 MR. BOLLIER: If you'll look over in 666, is what 9 I'm saying. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, wait, don't go to 666 yet. 11 I'm still on -- 12 MR. BOLLIER: Well, no, sir, that's what I -- I'm 13 comparing it. Because in 666, I also have the money there 14 for the same thing. We buy tools out of 666, you know, a 15 tape measure or a wrench or something that we need, and that 16 also helps us out with -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Here's what I'm asking, Tim. 18 MR. BOLLIER: Okay, sir. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's not complicated. 4,000, 20 4,000, 2,500, 6,000. So, do you have some big items that 21 you're expecting to buy? 22 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, I do not. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Well, -- 24 MR. BOLLIER: If you think that -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- I don't see the trend, 7-14-15 bwk 21 1 then. 2 MR. BOLLIER: Well, I think that we can cut that 3 $2,000, to 4,000, back to where it was. I still have money 4 there for this year, so I'm still -- I was just contemplating 5 on expenses of mowers going up, parts going up and stuff like 6 that. That's -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 8 MR. BOLLIER: But if you want to cut that to 9 $4,000, Commissioner Moser, I do not have a problem with 10 that. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, cut it. 12 MR. BOLLIER: Is that what we want to do? Cut it 13 to four? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If that's agreeable with you. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure. 16 MR. BOLLIER: But like I say, I still don't know 17 where we're going with the other. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the -- from -- well, we'll 19 wait until we get to 666. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. That was general 21 maintenance we were talking about? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was parks and outside. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: New title. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, all right. 7-14-15 bwk 22 1 MR. BOLLIER: Change. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: What's the next one? Youth 3 Exhibition? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And on this one, Tim, any -- 5 the outside of that building, it's contemplated you'll 6 continue to maintain that under any scenario. 7 MR. BOLLIER: Okay, I have a question on this. 8 Right now I do not have any trash service money coming out of 9 510, so whatever you decide out there, I may have to add 10 trash money -- dumpster money, in other words, to the 11 courthouse, because I don't know where that's going out 12 there. And that's where all -- all this -- the trash money 13 that comes from the courthouse comes out of that fund out 14 there, 513 and 666. So, either -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're still going to need a 16 dumpster. You're saying about how you're budgeting? 17 MR. BOLLIER: I'm talking about where the money's 18 going to come from to pay for the trash that they come and 19 get here at the courthouse. Because the trash that we get 20 out of the parks, we take from 666. The trash fund that -- 21 the dumpster money that we pay for our dumpsters here comes 22 out of 666. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How many dumpsters do you have? 24 MR. BOLLIER: I have two down here. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And one out there? 7-14-15 bwk 23 1 MR. BOLLIER: I have three out there. There's 2 five. One, two, three -- there's five total. So, that's 3 where I'm going with that. So we may have to -- I mean, we 4 may have to switch the money -- or put money into 510 for 5 trash, for pickup. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Is the service that's picking 7 up here the same as is picking up at the event center? Or -- 8 MR. BOLLIER: Dumpster Dumpers, yes, sir. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Dumpster Dumpers. 10 MR. BOLLIER: Well, it's Dumpster Dumpers, whatever 11 they are. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Picks up here as well as -- I 13 know they're out there at the event center. 14 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Roughly 40 percent of the 16 trash cost that's reflected in the event center is here? If 17 you've got two here and three there. 18 MR. BOLLIER: It costs -- one is -- one bill is 19 $404 for out at -- $404 out at the barn, and the other bill 20 for here is $234, I believe. I believe that's what it is. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I imagine with that said, you 22 could take it from one and put it in the other one if you 23 want to clean it up. 24 MR. BOLLIER: I mean, because there's still going 25 to have to be money out there for their trash, too, whatever 7-14-15 bwk 24 1 y'all do. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The trash you pick up at the 3 parks, does that go directly to the landfill, or does that go 4 to a dumpster? 5 MR. BOLLIER: Well, if it's just picking up trash 6 cans, we put it in the dumpster, unless the dumpsters are 7 full. Then we go to the landfill. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only other thing you 9 better think about, if you're going to have more catered 10 services out at the Ag Barn and food stuff, -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't pay for it. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- those dumpsters don't -- 13 'cause we have to empty them every week. He doesn't pay for 14 ours. We pay for two separate ones, and you have to do it 15 every week, almost every day. 16 MR. BOLLIER: I would like -- I didn't put this in 17 the budget, but I did think about this. I was thinking about 18 putting at least one or two dumpsters down in the park, but 19 the only problem you have with that is if they don't stay 20 locked up, you're going to have everything in the world in 21 them. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They will be filled. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Yeah, they'll be filled up in one 24 day. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Don't put dumpsters in the 7-14-15 bwk 25 1 park. 2 MR. BOLLIER: Got you, sir. It was just an idea. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't think they need them 4 permanently in the park, but I think about on big weekends 5 like the 4th, we may want to look at the parks or someplace 6 to budget a little more trash service money to have one down 7 there, just like the 4th of July. I think Tim said -- 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Easter Fest. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Easter Fest brings their own. 10 Let's just talk, like, the big events or big holidays, that 11 if we put a little more money in, it's going to save on the 12 labor side. People will try to get it close to the dumpster, 13 'cause you said it was all -- 14 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 'Cause all the trash cans 15 were full, and a lot of those people cleaned up after 16 themselves, and they took bags of trash and just stacked it 17 around the trees close by around the trash can. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- well, he did -- 19 bob, under trash services under parks, he did increase it to 20 5,000, so -- 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But he was talking about how 22 the majority of that was hauling brush. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, is it -- is that -- 24 yeah, I know that was an increase. Was that the majority of 25 it? 'Cause I thought maybe you had more in there for also 7-14-15 bwk 26 1 trash pickup since you've been having to pick up a lot more 2 trash in addition to it. 3 MR. BOLLIER: Well, Commissioner Moser, it's 4 always -- even when B.J. and them was picking it up, the 5 outside crew, that's where the money came from, was out of 6 this park. Anyway, -- 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 8 MR. BOLLIER: -- so it all came -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bob's point is -- and I agree, 10 is on parks, is 5,000 enough to do your additional trash 11 pickup? Forget the stuff you have to haul to the dump now 12 that you used to burn. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't we move the dollars 14 from 666, trash pickup, to parks and outside maintenance? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That way all the trash pickup's 17 -- because he's using dumpsters out there for all kinds of 18 stuff anyway, so move them all -- move that 20,000, zero out 19 in 666, trash pickup, and put it all under -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That will work. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- 513. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's fine. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, anything else? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. On 666, you have one 25 person. 7-14-15 bwk 27 1 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And is that all? 3 MR. BOLLIER: That's all that -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I mean, is that all the people 5 you have out there? 6 MR. BOLLIER: No, I have two people out there. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, why don't you put two 8 people in here? 9 MR. BOLLIER: That second person, I believe, is 10 under parks. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's what I asked earlier. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think after the end of the 13 day, we can -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Modify it. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- change a lot of this right 16 here. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. Okay. Well, 18 'cause I was back to what Jonathan asked a while ago. Are 19 these kind of the way you have them distributed? And I think 20 you have more than one person out there. 21 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir, I do. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's not the way you have 23 it distributed. 24 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, it should be two people out 25 there, but -- 7-14-15 bwk 28 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Got you, okay. And, let's 2 see. You have contract labor, $50,000? 3 MR. ROBLES: We may want to look at this budget 4 after, 'cause a lot of this stuff is -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a good point. But just 6 out of curiosity, what was the $50,000 for? 7 MR. BOLLIER: Contract labor was to take care of 8 the cleaning people that are out there. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Cleaning and part-time labor. 10 MR. BOLLIER: It comes to, like, $48,000 a year the 11 way it is right now, and I added a little bit in there in 12 case there was -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What do you mean, it comes to 14 48,000? I'm looking at your actuals -- well, maybe you 15 didn't have a line item in there before for that. Where did 16 you have 48,000 before? 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Where are we taking the 18 cleaning fee out of? 19 MR. BOLLIER: That's a new line item, actually. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So where was the 48,000 21 before? 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: James is looking; he'll 23 answer that in just a second. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't think there was. I 25 think after that one event out there and they messed up the 7-14-15 bwk 29 1 walls and everything, y'all agreed to contract with that 2 cleaning company to come out there after events and clean 3 that place, and I think it's their fee that he's added. That 4 is all new. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He said in the past it's been 6 48,000. I'm just -- 7 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This year. 9 MR. BOLLIER: This year. Just this year. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, okay. I see. 11 MR. BOLLIER: I'm sorry. 12 MR. ROBLES: Looks like we pay it out of 450. 13 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Building and grounds 15 maintenance. 16 MR. ROBLES: It's approximately 2,000 a month. 17 MR. BOLLIER: Mm-hmm. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, I give up. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where's it coming out of? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Commissioner Moser gives up? 21 (Multiple speakers.) 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 23 MR. BOLLIER: I think I can clear it up. If it's 24 just a regular cleaning fee, it's $400. $400 when they come 25 out there to clean it up, okay? 7-14-15 bwk 30 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mm-hmm. 2 MR. BOLLIER: Now, then, if the walls are all 3 marked up and they got to clean all the walls, it goes up to 4 $700, okay? That's the best I can sum it up. 5 MS. DOSS: And that's per week. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: $700 times 50 weeks -- 7 MR. BOLLIER: Is 30 -- 35,000. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 35,000. 9 MR. BOLLIER: I'm with you. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think you are. Okay. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: As I said on 666, we don't 12 need to spend much time till we get out of executive session, 13 'cause it could all change. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But we need to make sure, 15 James, that some of these items for that facility that are 16 coming out of, like, 510 or somewhere else, we need to make 17 sure that we are tracking it so -- 18 MR. ROBLES: I know. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- we don't overbudget. 20 MR. ROBLES: We're aware of it. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay, thank you. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Go to the next one now? Is 23 that it? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it for me. 25 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's it. 7-14-15 bwk 31 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On maintenance. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Isn't there another parks? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, there's parks including 4 improvements. 5 MR. ROBLES: Fund 31. It's under the miscellaneous 6 tab. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Miscellaneous tab. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where's miscellaneous, James? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Towards the back. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Towards the back? What color 11 might it be? 12 JUDGE POLLARD: White. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: White, okay. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: I can't find it. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did you find it? It's way 16 back -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, here it is right here. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My miscellaneous tab fell out. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't think any of us has 20 the parks. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is this parks? 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Want to turn the screen so we 23 can look at it? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is this what we -- Department 25 of Public Safety. 7-14-15 bwk 32 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Mine doesn't have parks under 2 that list. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I guess Department of 4 Public Safety is the first -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, it's not in that. 6 MR. ROBLES: Do you have parks? 7 MS. DOSS: I don't have parks. It's under 8 miscellaneous funds. 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Pink. I found it under 10 pink. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Under pink? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's another miscellaneous, 13 maybe. Yeah, it's a blue. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Two miscellaneouses? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There we go. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, miscellaneous. I found 17 it. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: About halfway down. It's three 19 or four pages back. It says parks. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I'm on -- finally got 21 it. Any questions? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. This is -- says parks, 23 including improvements. And we had a workshop where we 24 looked at improvements in parks, and so what -- what have we 25 reflected here? Want to look at that under capital, or are 7-14-15 bwk 33 1 we going to look at that here? Because -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we have funds under 3 capital to do capital improvements to parks, and this is, I 4 guess, more repair-type. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I don't know what these 7 items are. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I think if we're going 9 to look at capital improvements as a separate thing, then I 10 don't have any. 11 MR. ROBLES: There's tax money that goes into the 12 fund. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Huh? 14 MR. ROBLES: There's tax money that goes into this 15 fund, so -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Like, a dedicated fund? 17 MR. ROBLES: Yeah. Above and beyond this, you did 18 get a C.O. for parks improvements as well. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, we had 200,000 in there 20 for parks improvements, so that's where we'll -- 21 MR. ROBLES: I think it was 100. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 100,000, you're right, so 23 that's where we'll look at that. The things like -- I think 24 we added some things to it on the dam. 25 MR. ROBLES: This is for maintenance and -- 7-14-15 bwk 34 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: More improvements, more 2 benches and things at Flat Rock Park. So, that's where we'll 3 look at that. Okay. All right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that -- how much is in that 5 fund? 6 MR. ROBLES: There's about 65,000 left. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, about 60,000-something. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, in this fund. 9 MR. ROBLES: Oh, how much is in this one? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 662, or Fund 31. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we're on 662, right? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 MR. ROBLES: 55,000. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Tim? 16 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On parks, sanitary facilities, 18 this is -- these are the port-a-potties? 19 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, you kept it the 21 same last year as this year, $8,000. 22 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And is that increasing? 24 MR. BOLLIER: I believe -- did you -- I believe you 25 and I talked about adding another one to Lions Park. Did we 7-14-15 bwk 35 1 or did we not? 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We talked about adding one at 3 the dog run area at -- at Flat Rock Park. 4 MR. BOLLIER: Yes, sir. I may not have did that, 5 sir. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know if you all heard 7 James; he said this is a dedicated fund. There's 55,000 in 8 this fund right now. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On the C.O.? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. This is a dedicated tax 11 dollar fund. This is -- there's 55,000, so we're budgeting 12 half of that amount, roughly. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So there's additional funding, 15 or funds available for parks out of this -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- budget. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So -- but -- okay, I don't 19 have any questions, then. 8,000, you increased it last year, 20 and that's probably -- you added some stuff. But I think we 21 need to look at -- 22 MR. BOLLIER: Probably. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- there's a lot of people 24 that -- a lot of woods, okay, down in the dog run area, and 25 there's no restrooms down there. So -- 7-14-15 bwk 36 1 MR. BOLLIER: No, sir, there's not. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So we might want to 3 look at putting a port-a-potty down there. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: James, how much money comes 5 into this fund each year? 6 MR. ROBLES: About 15,000. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 15,000? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: The guy that came and talked about 9 Center Point yesterday, didn't he say he wanted an extra 10 port-a-potty down there in Center Point? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. We have one there now. 12 MR. BOLLIER: We have a handicapped one down there 13 now. We probably -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's probably -- you know, 15 during the summer, there's, you know, 30 people down there 16 easy all the time. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: He described more than that. He 18 said it was 10 for each port-a-potty. 19 MR. BOLLIER: Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to 20 add another one. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's add one there and add 22 one to the dog run area. 23 MR. BOLLIER: Okay, I can do that. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Try to do two, okay? Okay. 25 That's all I have on that. 7-14-15 bwk 37 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. What's next, now? 2 MR. BOLLIER: Commissioner Moser, did you want me 3 to add those A.S.A.P., or wait till...? The port-a-potties. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Depends how much money you have 5 in your budget this year. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: True. 7 MR. BOLLIER: It may have to wait till -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Get with the Auditor's office. 9 MR. BOLLIER: James said he'll help me look at it. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good deal. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What are you increasing that 12 to? To 12,000? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Say again? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What are you increasing 15 sanitary facilities to? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How much will that increase 17 it, Tim? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: From eight to what? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think probably -- because he 20 was at, like, about 2,000, and when we increased it to eight. 21 I thought that was good. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So, 8,000 is enough? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think 8,000 is enough. 24 MR. BOLLIER: I don't think 8,000 is enough. I 25 have to look it up, sir. I can't give you that number. 7-14-15 bwk 38 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why don't you come back and 2 tell us what it is, then? 3 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Are we through with all 7 of that one? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Through with maintenance. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Let's go to -- what, 10 library? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Library. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: And additional personnel? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let me talk about 14 library. Same song, third verse. I think we should put the 15 money in our budget for the library, which will be $350,000, 16 so that the citizens outside the city can use the library the 17 way they did from '69 all the way to 2013. And I know that 18 that's a lot of money, and we've got a lot of issues. But as 19 we -- as we look at what our revenue's going to be and where 20 we are, okay, I'd just like to have that in the -- in the 21 list. We may have to delete it, which we'll probably have to 22 delete and reduce a lot of other things. But I get a lot 23 of -- a lot of inquires and a lot of requests from people all 24 year long about the library, and the fact that they can't use 25 it, and a lot of people can't afford to use it. And it means 7-14-15 bwk 39 1 a lot to the people. And I know it's a city effort, and with 2 the county -- or has been; it's no longer. It's just the 3 city. So -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know that it's a joint 5 effort. They just want our money, and then they do all the 6 effort and make all the decisions. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's an advisory board, 8 which I go to every one of the advisory board meetings, so 9 I'm not sure what you're talking about, but yeah, it's 10 their -- they do operate it as we operate the Animal Control 11 and we operate Environmental Health and we make all those 12 decisions. So, yeah, whoever operates it makes all the 13 decisions. That's a fact. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They don't pay for -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I did my own analysis 16 looking at the shared services between Environmental Health, 17 Animal Control, and assuming that Animal Control is 50/50, 18 Environmental Health is 30 percent city and 70 percent 19 outside the city, since they don't have any septic tanks. 20 And I did that for library, assuming 50/50, and I assumed for 21 other shared services, and the County's getting the better 22 end of the deal when you consider the city -- the residents 23 in the city pay both city and county taxes, and so they're 24 contributing a lot to other things. So, you know, we can 25 have the Auditor do what I did, but based on my analysis, it 7-14-15 bwk 40 1 says the City is -- City's getting the short end of the 2 stick. So, with that -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But -- wait. You say that city 4 residents pay, but city residents choose to live in the city, 5 and they have the city services that are different than 6 county services. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But they pay county taxes. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, I understand. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And they get a lot for their 11 county taxes. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I know. So, I tried -- I did 13 my analysis. Anybody else is welcome to do it, okay? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why don't we compare analyses, 18 then, and why don't we have the Auditor do it? But, anyway, 19 all I'm saying is for this budget process, I would like to 20 put our -- our half of the operating costs of the library so 21 all the residents of the county can use the library. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not interested, mainly 23 because the City has -- we have offered to have some say in 24 the library in the past, but there's been -- they're not 25 going to just get the money, because the record shows that 7-14-15 bwk 41 1 when we just wrote them a check and never questioned it, the 2 prices went up, up, up, and they couldn't justify them. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then we said, "Okay, we're 5 going to cut back." Magically, the services didn't get cut 6 back at all, and they cut -- were able to cut about 300,000 7 out of their budget, which shows they were probably 8 overcharging us. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They may have been. Now the 10 budget is an open book. You can see every line item in the 11 budget, okay? Every single line item. So, it's 700,000. I 12 go to every one of the advisory board meetings and listen to 13 every one of the generations of the budget. I don't think 14 it's -- I don't think it's inflated. I think that's what 15 their actual operations are; I think that they're there. And 16 it's just -- it's just -- yeah, they operate it just like we 17 operate the stuff that we do, okay? They operate it. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But they're not offering to pay 19 for it. If they offer to pay for half of the animal control, 20 they can have some say in the operations. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think we should enter 22 into that agreement. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We did, and they canceled it. 24 We had an agreement, and they canceled the agreement. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Well, it would only be 7-14-15 bwk 42 1 fair that they pay for animal control if we're going to 2 contribute to the library, so -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I've heard no communication 4 from the City that they want money from us. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I still have an issue with why 6 we went to zero when we had a -- we had a gentleman's 7 agreement. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We had a written agreement. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The previous judge said it 10 wasn't memorialized. I don't know what that has to do with 11 anything, okay? It wasn't memorialized, so therefore we 12 weren't going to pay it. So, part of that is -- that was one 13 reason. The other reason -- we didn't have a long-term plan, 14 so that didn't work. There was another reason. We don't 15 have the details on the reason. They operate it; we don't, 16 so -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The reason has been pretty 18 consistent for me; that if we're going to fund the library, 19 we have a say in the library. They said, "No, we don't want 20 you to have any say." I said, "Fine, then we shouldn't do 21 any funding." And that's been my position probably since 22 about 2000. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. But, likewise, they 24 don't have any say in animal control. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Fine. 7-14-15 bwk 43 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're not funding it, either. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They ought to pay their share 4 of animal control. We ought to pay our share of the library. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that we -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: The difference is, we're still 7 furnishing animal control services in the city without 8 getting any contribution. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I said we should get 10 contribution for that. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, we're not. And we -- you and 12 I went to the mayor and we asked for that, and offered to 13 continue animal services if they would let the -- let the 14 county citizens use the library, and the mayor said no. And 15 that position hasn't changed, nor has mine, and will not. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- I think we have a 17 lot of residents that think that this is incorrect. We have 18 a lot of residents that feel that way. And I think for a 19 city -- for a community, let me call it that, that has great 20 hospitals and great everything else, and not to have a public 21 library is absurd. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have a public library. The 23 City just chooses to charge residents that live in the 24 county. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But the residents outside the 7-14-15 bwk 44 1 city have to pay for it. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's the City's choice. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's not a public library that 4 a lot of people in this nation can benefit from that can't 5 afford it, to have the access to an information center like 6 the library. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we provide animal and 8 environmental health services in the city limits at no cost, 9 which to me is more important. Public health is more 10 important than the library. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: And we're not obligated 12 constitutionally. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're not obligated to do that. 14 We do that because we think it's the right thing to do. The 15 City chooses not to 'cause they don't think it's the right 16 thing to do, to let the county residents use the library. 17 That's their choice. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want to weigh in on this 19 thing. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It is -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I want to weigh in on it; 22 it's my turn. I tell you what's offensive about this whole 23 thing, and I am offended by this, is that for many, many, 24 many years, long before there was the Butt Memorial -- 25 whatever that thing is -- library, memorial library, there 7-14-15 bwk 45 1 are families out in the county that have contributed and 2 helped build that damn thing. And now we come along, and 3 there's a stumbling block in the road, and you completely 4 shut those families off and are going to charge them extra 5 for their own library. That's just as much the old ranching 6 families' library as it is Jack Splat. And -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Pratt. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Excuse me? 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Pratt. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, I know the guy's name. 11 The -- and that's offensive to me, that we turn our backs on 12 the old families that were here long before you arrived here 13 that have contributed to this community over and over and 14 over and over again. My family's one of them. His is one of 15 them. His is one of them, and his is one of them. And it's 16 offensive to think you just -- we can just turn our backs on 17 that and decide one day we're not going to serve the 18 community any more. They should be ashamed of themselves for 19 operating like that. So, absolutely not. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I don't think it's 21 complicated. I think it's -- 22 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: It's not complicated. It's 23 zero. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There's a facility that was 25 built, okay. It's there. It was improved. There's a 7-14-15 bwk 46 1 facility that it costs to operate. That's what the 700,000 2 per year is, just the operations. And so it's a facility 3 that was jointly shared in the operations since 1969, okay, 4 whoever built it. And I just think that it's worthy to put 5 on the table again, and to provide the use of the library for 6 residents of the county outside the city, because right now 7 only the people living inside the city pay for that 8 operations. So, anyway, that's my thing, and I said I would 9 propose it. And we'll just -- okay. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Well, you're doing good. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 12 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I let everybody else talk, 14 and can I have my two cents or penny and a half, whatever? 15 One of the things I don't understand, I do not live within 16 the corporate limits of the city of Kerrville, but in 17 property taxes between Janet and I, we pay our share because 18 of the businesses we own, but I can't go to the library. But 19 I'm a taxpayer in the city of Kerrville, so that bothers me. 20 From your standpoint, Commissioner, I think maybe there 21 should be some funding from the County, but our pie is 22 already carved up so many slices that we can't carve it up 23 very much. If we could find some middle ground where we 24 don't have control, but the people that do live outside of 25 the corporate limits could come, because I don't believe from 7-14-15 bwk 47 1 the fees that the City's charging that they're getting 2 $350,000 from our citizens that live outside the city limits. 3 So, if there's some middle ground, I might go with trying to 4 find some funding, but it would have to be proportionate to 5 what they're getting from our citizens now. Without -- you 6 made a proposal last year of so much per family, or so 7 much -- and we couldn't go with that because of the legality. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But if there was someplace in 10 the middle where we could establish a benchmark of so much 11 money to -- to go there, I might consider it. But it would 12 have to -- $350,000, there's not that much pie left. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I understand that. Of 14 course, we haven't put in all the ingredients for the pie, 15 haven't said how big a pie we're going to have, all right? 16 That's the revenue side of it. The -- just in facts, before 17 -- when it was 50/50, it was about 50 percent -- 50 percent 18 cardholders between the city residents and those living 19 outside the city, about 50 percent. Today, it's about 20 6 percent of the people that have cards that live outside the 21 city, so it dropped off dramatically when there was a charge 22 to individuals to use it. So that -- that says -- that says 23 a lot right there, of people that are not using the library 24 that used to use the library. And about 30 percent of the 25 things checked out are used -- are checked out by people 7-14-15 bwk 48 1 outside the -- outside the city. So, you know, there's 2 something -- you know, there's some validity in what you're 3 saying about trying to find some percentage and adjust it 4 year to year to do something like that based on the use. 5 There's about 100,000 -- there's about 100,000 people per 6 year go through the doors of that library. That's a bunch 7 for a county of 50,000 people, so it's a facility that's used 8 a lot. And it's -- anyway, I want to make the point again. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And -- just a second. And 10 the other part that -- I think we've all heard it; there's no 11 denying that the residents of Kerr County that live either in 12 the city of Kerrville or the city of Ingram pay county taxes. 13 I don't think any of us disagree with that. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But I think we need to look 16 -- there's a large portion of our budget that we have here 17 that we're required to furnish regardless of where you live. 18 And I'll ask the Sheriff. On this -- your jail, Sheriff, 19 whether they're arrested in the city of Kerrville or out on 20 the Divide, they come to Kerr County jail; is that correct? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Everybody arrested inside -- 22 inside the county's boundaries, whether it's by the city or 23 anyone else, we're the depository, you might call it. But 24 that's where they come, is the county jail. The one thing 25 about it that -- you know, since you did bring this up, I 7-14-15 bwk 49 1 think you have to look at -- we do a lot of law enforcement 2 inside the city too, because officers are traveling through, 3 and we make arrests; we do everything else. I have an 4 $8 million budget altogether, okay? City has to pay one day 5 for an inmate that comes to the jail. City residents, which 6 I am, a portion of my tax dollars go to pay that. A portion 7 of my city/county tax dollars go to pay for this courthouse. 8 Everything that operates in this courthouse, over 50 percent 9 of it is for the residents inside the city, whether it's 10 vehicle registration, land deeds, whatever, okay? O.S.S.F., 11 all the functions. The courts, anything above a traffic 12 citation or Class C is run by the courts in this courthouse, 13 okay? The City does not fund that. That's what the City's 14 portion of a city resident, being myself, taxes help pay for. 15 And I agree, Animal control, environmental health -- I don't 16 know what Ray's budget is now, but -- what is your total 17 overall budget? For all -- 18 MR. GARCIA: Somewhere around -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 700. 20 MR. GARCIA: -- $700,000 to $800,000. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 800,000. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: About the same as library. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And I can promise you, 50 24 percent of that is inside the city of Kerrville. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Septic tanks? 7-14-15 bwk 50 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: On the overall budget. 2 MS. STEBBINS: Animal control. Half of it's for 3 city residents. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Animal control I would agree 5 with. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you look at the monthly 7 report on animal control calls, the city had 230. The county 8 had 180. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's animal control. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And estrays, whether it's 11 in -- anywhere inside the county is the Sheriff's 12 responsibility. But -- and my -- my kids -- grandkids now, 13 you know, use that library. I think education in the library 14 is great. My mother was a librarian by trade before she 15 passed. I don't have any problem with the library. But I've 16 been here 35 years, and I've seen this go back and forth with 17 the city. One of their former police chiefs started out as 18 the city dogcatcher. They had their animal control. They 19 had all that, and now all of a sudden they've decided they 20 don't have to do that any more 'cause it's inside -- the 21 city's inside Kerr County, and their residents shouldn't have 22 to pay for it. I'm like Buster; a lot of people pitched in 23 to get that library to what it was over the last 100 years, 24 okay. If the city wants to be fair about the whole thing, 25 then the city should pay half of environmental health and 7-14-15 bwk 51 1 animal control, and the county can pay half of the -- of the 2 library. And I think that's what you're kind of mentioning. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I'm mentioning. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The city has -- this mayor has 5 refused time and time again and said, "Nope, y'all got to 6 provide those services. We're not paying for them." 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well -- 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: So why should the -- and it 9 amounts to if you stick $350,000 in this budget, the ones 10 that are going to suffer from that -- just to give them 11 something that they won't cooperate with, okay? The ones 12 that are going to suffer is every employee of this county, 13 and that's wrong, Commissioner, and I get offended when you 14 try and put that library above the needs of the employees of 15 this county. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not trying to put -- no. 17 You're wrong, Sheriff. I'm not trying to put it before 18 anybody. You just are on the record as being -- saying 19 something that's absolutely incorrect, and that offends me 20 and everybody else. And I don't -- I'm not talking about the 21 mayor, okay? I'm talking about this body talking to that 22 body across the street and trying to find some equal and fair 23 distribution between animal control, library, and all the 24 other things that we share, and the jail and the courthouse, 25 okay? All those things. To me, we're all a bunch of adults. 7-14-15 bwk 52 1 We ought to look at it and do what's best for the citizens of 2 this county. That's all I'm talking about. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, we've tried. How 4 many times? 5 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the point. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How many times? 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Several times. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This Court has talked to the -- 9 the City Council and the mayor numerous times in the last 10 years, and they -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's try again. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't they try to come to 13 us? If they -- from a pure financial -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's always -- it's always 15 some other excuse, Jonathan. I'm sorry. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, it -- 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It is. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm tired of trying to work 19 with the mayor. He refuses to deal with anything with us. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I didn't say talk to the 21 mayor; I said talk to the City Council. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But the bottom line is, I mean, 23 they don't even -- if you look at it purely financially, on 24 the number of -- of the people using it, the money they're 25 getting -- 7-14-15 bwk 53 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If they wanted to, it would 3 make more sense for them to get something from us than what 4 they're getting right now. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Say it again? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It'd make more sense to get 7 anything from us. They're making how much from the library 8 cards they're selling in the county? What, 50,000, 60,000? 9 30,000? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know -- no, it's not 11 that much. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So if they were to come 13 over and just say, "Hey, if you'll pay 100,000, we'll let 14 county residents in there," I may consider that. They won't 15 even talk, because they say it's not fair. Well -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why don't we try to talk to 17 them, then? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not putting it in the 19 budget. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: We have, repeatedly. It takes two 21 to dance, to negotiate. It takes two sides interested. So 22 far we are the only one that's shown any interest, the only 23 one that's tried. And their answer was -- the mayor's answer 24 was no. And until such time as they show an interest, I'm 25 not talking. 7-14-15 bwk 54 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Look, you say -- everybody's 2 saying the mayor, the mayor, the mayor. Then we say the 3 mayor says something; he doesn't have authority to say that. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If City Council wants to talk 5 to you, let them, but it's been in the paper 100 times what 6 the mayor says about the library. If they disagree with it, 7 they can challenge him on it. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's don't talk out both 9 sides of our mouth and say, "The mayor said this, and we 10 don't care what the mayor says 'cause he doesn't have the 11 authority." 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm saying Council said it. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I think we've done 15 this. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: This dog's dead. Let's move on. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. What else do we want to 18 talk about? 19 MR. ROBLES: That's all that's on there, unless you 20 want to do salaries. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How about additional 22 personnel? 23 MR. BOLLIER: Judge, I took -- I went and took care 24 of what Commissioner Moser asked me to take care of. For -- 25 to add just regular port-a-potties in the park is $70 a 7-14-15 bwk 55 1 piece. If you want handicapped, they're $125. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, that's -- that's this 3 year. We're talking about this year's operations outside the 4 budget process. 5 MR. BOLLIER: Okay. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I do have an item I'd 8 like to bring forward. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Bring it up. 10 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I've been visiting with my 11 friend Coy Morales, and the more I talk with him, the more I 12 realize that we're talking about public safety. And I've 13 asked him to come and talk to you all, to look y'all in the 14 eye and tell you what he has on his mind. And -- and I just 15 got to tell you right now that the way I see it, if there's 16 -- if there's some way that we can enhance the public safety, 17 the safety for our citizens, and the program pay for itself, 18 that sounds like a good deal to me. And so I think he's drug 19 an old boy in here with him too, so y'all -- y'all come up 20 here and do what you need to do. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, do you know, did 22 the whole Court get the packet from Judge Mitchell? 23 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I don't have any idea. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Did anyone get a packet from 25 Judge Mitchell other than me? 7-14-15 bwk 56 1 JUDGE POLLARD: I got it. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I did. 3 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: This is no longer Judge 4 Mitchell's -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know, but this is the 6 program, though. 7 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Okay. Go ahead. 8 MR. MORALES: Good morning, Judge and 9 Commissioners. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Morning. 11 MR. MORALES: My name is Coy Morales, and I reside 12 here in Kerrville. I'm here to discuss a deputy constable 13 position; it's something that I'm very interested in, in 14 doing. Some of you I've met; some of you I've not met. A 15 little about myself. I'm a retired state trooper. I was a 16 trooper for 20 years. Most of that time was spent here in 17 Kerr County. Recently retired back in April. I've been in 18 law enforcement for 26 years -- over, in the Hill Country 19 area; Gillespie County, Kimble County, and Kerr County. I 20 have well over 2,500 hours of TCLEOSE training; well, well 21 trained with D.P.S. procedures. So, I strongly feel there is 22 a need for a deputy constable here. Why? Well, as a state 23 trooper here recently, and actually for the past eight to 24 nine years, we've been going down to the border. And here 25 recently, for the past two years, we've been going down to 7-14-15 bwk 57 1 the border every month. At least that was my schedule. I 2 felt it took away from the community. And there are 3 statistics that can prove that, and I'll hand it out here in 4 just a little bit of what's going on, why we're going down to 5 the border and et cetera. 6 Tragedies have increased. There's really nobody 7 out here to patrol the interstate. When I was here, I worked 8 the interstate almost every day. It is a safety issue 9 dealing with speed, traffic violations, DWI violations, and 10 drug violations. Currently, I'm employed with the Menard 11 County Sheriff's Office; I am a deputy there. Really, I am a 12 patrol officer. I strictly work in traffic, something I did 13 for 20 years. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that's where? I'm sorry, 15 I didn't hear what you said. Menard? What -- where did you 16 say? 17 MR. MORALES: I am a patrol deputy in Menard 18 County. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Menard County, that's what it 20 was. Thank you. 21 MR. MORALES: Yes. So I'm well trained, and I'll 22 use those skills here up on the interstate, and traffic 23 enforcement and drug interdiction. I'm currently up to date 24 with all my training, so I would be performing my duty just 25 as I would as a state trooper. Something I still enjoy is 7-14-15 bwk 58 1 working traffic. That is my forte. It would benefit the 2 citizens of Kerrville. And I don't believe this is going to 3 cost them anything. I'm going to do a little handout I'm 4 going to give y'all, and y'all can follow along with this. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How much of your activities 6 would be in the city? 7 MR. MORALES: Very little. The only thing that I 8 will be going through is, like the Sheriff had mentioned it 9 before, I mean, we're going to go through town, and if 10 there's a violation or something like that, if it's 11 necessary, we'll handle it. Any calls for assistance, I can 12 handle that. That's not going to be overlooked. On the page 13 that I handed out, once again, first and foremost is the 14 position in Kerr County. Well, being a Kerr County citizen, 15 like I said, I work in Menard County -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: May I ask a question before we 17 get into this? 18 MR. MORALES: Yes, sir. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dollars and cents. What -- 20 what prompted this? I read what the judge sent to us, but do 21 our constables not do their job? 22 MR. MORALES: I don't know what they do. I know 23 they do civil, but mine is geared more toward traffic. That 24 is my forte. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, something -- something 7-14-15 bwk 59 1 says that there's a need. 2 MR. MORALES: I feel there is. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And why do you feel that? 4 MR. MORALES: Based on me being a state trooper. 5 The troopers are being pulled down south; there's really 6 nobody up here to work traffic up here on the interstate. 7 Based on my experience -- I retired in Gillespie County -- 8 our crashes were going through the roof, including 9 fatalities, because there's nobody up here. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 11 MR. MORALES: If there's -- if you don't -- I mean, 12 let's face it; if there's not an officer around, who's going 13 to take care of them? The traffic, and also criminal. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So you see it as a need 15 based on that, okay. That's what I was trying to get at, was 16 what created -- 17 MR. MORALES: Yeah. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- created the apparent need. 19 MR. MORALES: An overall generalization of the -- 20 because of the troopers being pulled south. And really, you 21 know, I work in Menard County; I'm doing the same thing as I 22 did as a trooper, but I would rather do it here where I'm at 23 home, and for our citizens. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 25 MR. MORALES: So -- all right. Once again, first 7-14-15 bwk 60 1 and foremost is the position is required for the well-being 2 of the Kerr County citizens and the safety of all commuters 3 going through Kerr County. That is the bottom line, is 4 safety. It's prevention of vehicle accidents and possible 5 loss of life. I saw it as a trooper. Under the current 6 observation, you'll see what I did in Menard County over a 7 25-day period. Those violations range from improper 8 equipment, drugs and paraphernalia, licensing, seat belt, and 9 speed. That's something we run across all the time. Based 10 on the number of citations issued, that is what the county 11 received. Actually, that's a low figure; it's higher than 12 that. So, based on -- I compiled some numbers under the 13 revenue part of it. I mean, let's face it, if you're out 14 there doing your job, that's what's going to come about. I 15 compiled a little equipment estimate, a Charger and a Tahoe. 16 A Tahoe is about 43,000, something cents. A Dodge Charger is 17 going to run about 35,000. But I also found out that there's 18 an incentive of $7,800. Now, bear in mind, these estimations 19 are based on a 2015 model. I don't have any numbers for a 20 2016; they can't get them yet, but it's coming close. So, if 21 you do that incentive, it drops it down to 27,000 for a 22 patrol car. 23 MR. HICKS: 27,000, more or less. 24 MR. MORALES: Yeah, from the incentive of $7,800. 25 Lights, radio are estimated between about 8,000. Uniforms, 7-14-15 bwk 61 1 probably about 4,000 to 5,000. Vehicle graphics, 500. 2 Radar, they do a lease program; I believe it's about three 3 grand. We pay that off 1,000 a year. And after the -- the 4 lease, you send it back and then they give you another one. 5 WatchGuard cameras, about $5,100 to equip it, so that's about 6 45 to 50 for a patrol car. Now go back up to the Menard -- 7 the facts that I've done there, and look at the difference. 8 Pretty close already, correct? And operating costs, you get 9 into the salary -- I know that we'll have to discuss more 10 about that -- and fuel and standard maintenance. Maintenance 11 really means oil and tires and gas. So, the bottom line is 12 -- is safety. When you're out there working, conducting 13 business, it's going to generate revenue. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: I think among the documents that 15 were previously furnished was a certificate from one of your 16 superiors at D.P.S. about an opinion that you contributed a 17 lot to the safety of the public citizens because of your -- 18 your work when you were with the D.P.S.; is that right? You 19 got an award in that regard? 20 MR. MORALES: That is correct, Judge. I get -- I 21 don't like to brag on myself, but I'm -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's time to toot your own horn. 23 MR. MORALES: I do what I'm supposed to do. I've 24 been that way for years, over 20 years. I have an impeccable 25 record. I am decorated -- I don't like to brag on myself, 7-14-15 bwk 62 1 but I have numerous awards in traffic enforcement. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you support this, sir? 3 MR. HICKS: Yes, sir, I do. He came to me on -- 4 Thursday? 5 MR. MORALES: Yes. 6 MR. HICKS: Or Friday with that proposition. I 7 thought about it. I don't see where there's any negativity 8 at all about it. I can only speak on the facts, and facts 9 are that D.P.S. has been having to spend a lot of time down 10 on the border protecting our borders, so that is dropping our 11 enforcement time on the interstate and throughout the county. 12 The Sheriff been inundated with calls ever since I've been 13 here. It's nothing to hear 20 calls go out on the radio a 14 day that the Sheriff's having to deal with, so he doesn't 15 have a lot of time to do traffic enforcement. Y'all know I 16 do what I can, but that's not making any kind of big impact. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Are you proposing that this -- this 18 cost here in your budget be added to your budget, then? 19 MR. HICKS: Yes, sir. Coy asked me if I could 20 carry his commission and support him, and I told him yes, I 21 would, if the Commissioners Court chose to take on that. And 22 I think the cost will be around 100,000 with everything. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Coy, generally -- well, I don't 24 know if it's generally or not; you can answer the question. 25 When you're doing traffic stops, a lot of times I see a 7-14-15 bwk 63 1 backup present. It appears that you're going to kind of be a 2 lone soldier out there. 3 MR. MORALES: That is correct, Commissioner. As a 4 trooper, I was on patrol by myself. That's the way we are 5 trained, and I don't feel a need for it. I mean, if it's 6 there, it's there; I'll call it. But I'll back off when need 7 be. But that's the way I am. Incredible as it seems, that's 8 the way I like it. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, if there's a special 10 situation and you need backup that's unusual, you'll call for 11 it? 12 MR. MORALES: Yes, sir, most definitely. And if 13 anybody will need any backup in this county, I'm going to do 14 it, I promise you. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: I know all law officers will back 16 up any other law officers up; isn't that true, Sheriff? 17 MR. HICKS: And with his hours of operation, I'll 18 be most likely -- most of those, I would be his backup in a 19 lot of that, especially any drug cases, because of my 20 experience in drug investigations. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: The emphasis is for the public 22 safety, primarily for the citizens of Kerrville, you know, 23 out working the interstate. Is that going to be of benefit 24 to the citizens of Kerrville? 25 MR. HICKS: Yes, sir. Well, he's also -- he didn't 7-14-15 bwk 64 1 bring that up. He's also going to be doing traffic 2 enforcement in the other precincts as well. I think his 3 main -- main objective would be 41. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: As somebody that's having to drive 5 the interstate here lately, going to seminars and such, even 6 in the 80 mile-an-hour speed limit out there, man, I get my 7 doors blown off at 80 miles an hour by people running 100 out 8 there. 9 MR. HICKS: There's a majority of citizens that 10 commute back and forth to San Antonio and Boerne. I think 11 it's a direct impact. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: You're in deep traffic if you go 13 under the speed limit on the interstate. 14 MR. HICKS: There's not just -- 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Run me off the road. 16 MR. MORALES: And the highway patrol, they're 17 committed for another two years, starting in September. 18 They're done for another two years. Who's going to know 19 what's going to happen after that? Are they going to be 20 committed again? Well, and that's why I'm here. I think 21 it's fairly important for the citizens. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Anything else from these folks? 23 Buster? 24 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: No, sir, I just wanted to 25 add, talking about blowing your doors off on the interstate, 7-14-15 bwk 65 1 that's the reason for his choice of vehicle. I mean -- 2 JUDGE POLLARD: A Charger? 3 MR. MORALES: Yes, sir. It gets better gas 4 mileage. As a matter of fact, in the Tahoe, estimates are 5 between 16 and 28 miles per gallon. I drive a Tahoe in 6 Menard County, which is like 10 to 15. That's not really 7 good. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 9 MR. MORALES: I need something quick that can get 10 up there and handle the situation, and the Dodge Charger is 11 the answer to that. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Sheriff, do you have anything to 13 say as our chief law enforcement officer? 14 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Are you kidding? 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Oh, yeah. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you guys very much. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Coy won't take any of this 18 personal. Coy and I have been friends since he got stationed 19 in the Hill Country, and -- but I do have an opinion, And I 20 think it's something we need to look at. The Sheriff's 21 Department is the law enforcement agency for the county, the 22 chief law enforcement agency for the county. Sheriff's 23 Department's been asking for additional personnel for years, 24 okay? My officers do traffic, do drugs, do burglaries, do 25 homicides. They have to do whatever it is that comes across 7-14-15 bwk 66 1 our plate. When you're averaging 40 calls -- the other day, 2 it was 39 calls on one shift -- it's hard to concentrate on 3 traffic, because you're going from call to call. There's a 4 lot involved in traffic. He's talking about the WatchGuard 5 system and all that -- camera system. All that has to 6 download into the Sheriff's Department server, and you can 7 ask Trolinger about that, because we're the one that keeps up 8 the server and keeps all those records and those downloads 9 and videos. 10 It is the state's job to work traffic on the 11 interstate. I strongly believe in that. It always has been. 12 I come from a D.P.S. family. I come from somebody whose 13 father was a D.P.S. trooper, okay? And it is the County 14 Sheriff's job to enforce county law enforcement, whether it's 15 in the neighborhood or on those county roads. Now, I leave 16 it up to my officers as to whether they write citations or 17 they don't. The day we turn law enforcement into a 18 revenue-making business, which in my opinion, that's what 19 this is, then we all ought to all be ashamed of ourselves. 20 If we're really thinking about public safety, then you 21 increase law enforcement. True, we need it, but you increase 22 law enforcement as a whole. It's going to be -- you know, 23 preventive patrol in the county neighborhoods is one of the 24 key things, okay? And just being seen out there is one of 25 the key things. And that's where I think it needs to be 7-14-15 bwk 67 1 concentrated on. If we have a problem with the troopers on 2 the interstate, not having enough of them, which I agree, 3 then that's something we need to take up with the State. 4 But if you look at what it takes under the 5 constables, and under appointment of deputy constables, this 6 is what the Local Government Code states. "An elected 7 constable who desires to appoint a deputy must apply in 8 writing to the Commissioners Court of the county and show 9 that it is necessary to appoint a deputy in order to properly 10 handle the business of the constable's office that originates 11 in the constable's precinct." That's what the law says. How 12 is working traffic on 41 anything to do with Precinct 2? The 13 Sheriff's office has that responsibility. And I will tell 14 you, we don't work much traffic because I don't have adequate 15 personnel. If you want to add personnel, add personnel to 16 the department as required. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: How about considering you hiring 18 him as a deputy to work traffic? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, that's the other thing. 20 I would definitely consider hiring him as a deputy. I know 21 him. But the one thing -- 22 JUDGE POLLARD: To work traffic to fill in the void 23 out on 10. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The one thing I will not do is 25 I will not create a position for a specific person. There 7-14-15 bwk 68 1 are a lot of qualified people out there, and if Coy -- if 2 there was a position to where I can work law enforcement -- 3 that was my problem with working interdiction, okay? I 4 didn't want to work just to go out there and seize money off 5 the interstate, and dump the dope out and let everything else 6 go. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't agree with that either. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's not what we're here 9 for. And if you're going to concentrate on just law 10 enforcement, what the Sheriff's Office has an issue with -- 11 not so much Charlie. Charlie's a different breed, okay? But 12 what I have an issue with a lot right now is if I have a 13 constable or any other officer around out in the county that 14 runs across anything other than traffic or something he can 15 handle, he won't even write a report on it. He calls a 16 deputy and we take it over there on the scene. How many 17 constables or deputy constables have you seen in this county 18 appear before a grand jury presenting felony cases? We have 19 a serious drug problem in this county, and I have one 20 officer -- one officer assigned full-time to do that. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sheriff, two things. One, I 22 share your view of some of the constables and what they're 23 doing or not doing, but that's a totally different issue. I 24 mean, that's nothing to do with this. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. 7-14-15 bwk 69 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The other part of it is, there 2 is an Attorney General opinion -- I believe an Attorney 3 General opinion that says that a constable that's 4 appointed -- well, doesn't have to live in the precinct where 5 they're appointed. And there's also -- Environmental Health 6 Department is in the same situation. Their constables' 7 licenses or commissions are held under Precinct 1, I believe. 8 Isn't that correct, Buster? 9 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Yeah. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And it was -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And they do work county-wide. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It was the opinion of the 13 former County Attorney here that interpreted the law. I just 14 read that they could do it. You know, I'm just telling you 15 what the law says. The law hasn't changed. That's what the 16 law is, okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I'm saying that there's -- 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It was the former County 19 Attorney. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The former, but it was done. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. But what I'm talking 22 about is, I don't believe it's right to create a position for 23 one specific purpose, and that's what you're doing. If you 24 want to provide it, provide it in the number of law 25 enforcement officers that do the full duties of a peace 7-14-15 bwk 70 1 officer in this county. Now, I've seen Coy come back us up 2 when he was a trooper here and worked stuff, okay? But I 3 don't know how many of the cases we present Coy's ever 4 presented to a grand jury. How many -- I know he does some 5 of the drug cases. He's done that. You know, he does a lot 6 of the traffic. He's fabulous with traffic investigations, 7 accident investigation, 'cause that's their thing, okay, and 8 that's what they did a whole lot of. And that's what we 9 count on D.P.S. to do. But there's a lot more to providing 10 actual law enforcement. And I totally disagree with creating 11 a position for a specific person. If you were to do this, 12 there are probably a number of officers in my office that 13 would love to apply for a position that all they had to do 14 was work traffic. Thank you. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Judge, I'd like to make a 16 comment about -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: -- about this revenue issue. 19 That's not what this is all about. But, however, I would 20 like to see our county revenue at least get back up into 21 somewhere in the ballpark of before Rick Perry started 22 running for president and started sending all of our troopers 23 down on the border, and we have lost a lot of money because 24 of that. A lot of money, and safety on the interstate as 25 well. I'd like to see us just get back up to some -- get 7-14-15 bwk 71 1 some of our money back, you know. I mean, that's not what 2 it's all about, but that's a part of it, absolutely. But I 3 wonder if Rusty agrees with this or not. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: What? 5 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I wonder if Rusty agrees 6 with this or not. 7 MR. BOLLIER: Doesn't sound like it. 8 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: Sounded like it, didn't it? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I agree with the need for more 10 officers. 11 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: He just has a funny way of 12 saying things. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I agree with the need for more 14 officers on the streets of Kerr County. 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: So, anyway, I wanted him to 16 come and talk to y'all, and then -- and y'all can make the 17 decision whether you want to put it in the budget, and where 18 to put it. If not -- and I can tell you when I talked to 19 Coy, I said, "Look, you know, if this thing passes and it 20 doesn't work out...," the numbers don't work out -- I'm 21 assuming that the constable will beat us up here, but if the 22 thing's not going to work, it'll stop. I mean, we'll 23 discontinue the program if it doesn't work. So, I mean, 24 y'all -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's start with Bob. What do you 7-14-15 bwk 72 1 think, Bob? 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: From a business standpoint, 3 what I read in here, it makes financial sense. I kind of 4 take exception to some of the comments that have been made 5 about constables. I don't know what yours does in 2 or 6 anything. I just know what the one out in my area does, 7 'cause I've ridden with him. I know he has received a letter 8 from you, Judge, stating, "Justify your position in the 9 budget," and I think you was wrong on that, because I've 10 ridden with him. I've watched him work school zones. Did he 11 write any tickets? No, because they know he's working school 12 zones; they're not speeding. And I look at any law 13 enforcement as much of preventing something from happening 14 than catching it. And maybe Rusty disagrees with me. That 15 wouldn't surprise me. But -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: No, I agree with that too. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But I've watched him. I've 18 watched him run traffic on 41. I don't know why you brought 19 up 41. I think there's a lot more highways in this county 20 than 41, so I'm kind of taking exception to that. Are you 21 wanting to say something, Sheriff, or will you let me finish? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He just wants to make sure 23 y'all see him. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll find him when he raises 25 his hand. 7-14-15 bwk 73 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's why I stand. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But back to what I'm saying 3 on this, I am concerned. I like the numbers, but we've been 4 turning down the deputies for several years. And you can 5 call me "Fence Rider Bob" today, but there's got to be some 6 way to take care of what Rusty needs and take care of this -- 7 this situation that we're talking about. I agree. I drive 8 the interstate every day just to go home and come to work, 9 and I know what blows by me, and I know what should be 10 happening, and there needs to be something. I think the 11 Sheriff's Department's overtaxed on what they've got, and 12 when I say "taxed," I don't mean the dollars. They've just 13 got too much burden on them. But there's got to be some way 14 that we can stop the constant speeders that are coming 15 through here, whether it makes money or not. Some things 16 have got to be stopped. But I do, here again, take exception 17 with some of your statements, too, to the constables, 18 especially where I'm at, because sometimes that's the only 19 law enforcement that's available. And if Rusty's on Lane 20 Valley Road with a major incident, sometimes Gene Huffaker's 21 the only one we can get to something out in my part of the 22 county, and I'm not going to hear any more of that. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And that's one thing -- wait, 24 that's one thing I will comment on. Gene Huffaker and I have 25 known each other for both of our careers. Gene Huffaker, the 7-14-15 bwk 74 1 constable out there, does do a fabulous job, just as Charlie 2 does. John Lavender works the school zone real well, okay, 3 and Kerrville South. Okay. That leaves Precinct 3. I don't 4 know what Precinct 3 constable does, all right? I know one 5 thing; I can't think of any time he's ever made an arrest in 6 all the terms he's been in this county. I can't think of any 7 cases he's ever presented to a grand jury. My guys can't say 8 he's ever helped. He's called for us to take over a case or 9 do something, but that's where we're getting at. But if you 10 want a solution to the problem overall, whether it's working 11 traffic on the interstate or anything else, then you give 12 your Sheriff's Department -- whether I'm sheriff or not, it 13 doesn't matter. You give your Sheriff's Department the 14 adequate number of personnel to fulfill those duties. 15 There should be deputies that are on the 16 interstate, but they can't make those traffic stops 'cause 17 they're running from one call to -- emergency call to the 18 other, and it's not just the call; you have the paperwork 19 following the call, okay. You have all the reports that have 20 to be written, all the paperwork that has to be filed. You 21 can -- we can do it, all right? But as I've said for years, 22 you got to have the personnel to do it. And right now, when 23 you don't have the personnel to do it, you have to do the 24 priorities and the things that are required, try to keep 25 those guys in the county neighborhoods where our residences 7-14-15 bwk 75 1 are, and try and keep those type of thefts and burglaries and 2 all the rest of that, the drugs, and work all of that. 3 That's the priorities I have right now. If you give me the 4 personnel, we'll work your traffic. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think -- wait a minute. I 6 think the Sheriff says he needs more personnel. Here's the 7 way I look at it. I'm -- I look at law enforcement as that, 8 and I know the Sheriff is stretched with his -- with the 9 number of deputies he has. Been saying it for years. And 10 since Charlie's been constable in Precinct 2, if there's an 11 issue that I know about that has to do with law enforcement, 12 who do I call, Charlie? I call Charlie. 13 MR. HICKS: Me. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And he solves a lot of them 15 without having to bother the Sheriff. And the other thing 16 that Charlie and I have talked about is visibility. We've 17 had -- and I think Charlie's done a good job of being visible 18 in the community. I think I can see a lot of improvements. 19 Personally, I have never ever liked the idea of justifying 20 law enforcement with revenue generated by citations. It's 21 just not been my bag. I used to do that kind of stuff in the 22 small community where I lived. It was a volunteer, but we 23 never -- we were there to be visible; we weren't there to 24 write citations. We weren't there to raise revenue. So, 25 that's where I come on the whole thing. And I agree with the 7-14-15 bwk 76 1 Sheriff that law enforcement's law enforcement. If we're 2 going to spend money on law enforcement, we need to do it 3 with the organization we've got responsible for that. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- several comments. 5 MR. HICKS: I just wanted to clarify one thing. 6 The reason I brought up 41 is because 41 is a drug haul out 7 of Uvalde and down in there. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I know. 9 MR. HICKS: And Coy is very good at drug 10 interdiction. My background is in narcotic investigation. 11 That's the reason it was brought up more than a traffic 12 speeding issue, but they do speed out there a lot. When I 13 used to be on patrol, I was out there a lot. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The issue we're talking here 15 is speed control, and -- 16 MR. HICKS: It's traffic; it's safety. And 17 bringing drugs into our county is a safety issue as well as 18 speed, in my opinion, sir. That's -- I just wanted to 19 clarify that. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the discussion has 21 shifted from what it started as. I mean, the Sheriff has 22 needed additional staffing, and we're trying to address that 23 this year. But the Sheriff has also told me on numerous 24 occasions he's not real in favor of traffic -- of driving the 25 interstate. I mean, he's going to be all over the county, 7-14-15 bwk 77 1 and you should be all over. I don't want you driving the 2 interstate. Constables are doing various things and in 3 various precincts. They're doing their constitutional 4 duties. Mine does not do -- you know, maybe because he has 5 no comfort in doing it; I'm not sure why Constable Garza's -- 6 you're going to have to ask him why he does and doesn't do 7 what he does. But to me, the issue is, really, there is a 8 safety issue on the interstate right now. The Sheriff 9 doesn't have the manpower to do anything there particularly, 10 really, other than -- I mean, obviously, you do have your 11 deputies up there some. And there's an opportunity to for a 12 specific person who is skilled in a very specific function to 13 do that on -- basically, it's a part-time basis. I mean, you 14 know, 'cause for you to get one deputy, you need four 15 deputies. We're not hiring round-the-clock people on the 16 interstate. We're hiring one person that will be on the 17 interstate, you know, put in a 40-hour week or whatever Coy 18 plans to do. So, it's kind of apples to oranges to me by 19 comparing what the deputies are doing to what the constables 20 are doing to what, you know, this particular function is. 21 I'm not real in favor of -- of creating a speed trap, but I 22 drive the interstate a lot, and it is dangerous and there's a 23 lot of bad things going on, and I don't see any other option. 24 The Sheriff doesn't have the staff to do anything there right 25 now. And for us -- like I said, you know, the constables -- 7-14-15 bwk 78 1 for a while, Joel and Angel did do some work on the 2 interstate a couple years ago. So, I mean, I'm leaning in 3 favor of this, but I respect what the Sheriff's saying. I'm 4 not sure -- I mean -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's all law enforcement 6 dollars. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it's -- and it does -- the 8 revenue side of it, and we've talked about it, you know. I 9 mean, we're -- 10 JUDGE POLLARD: It at least pays for itself; that's 11 the thing. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I guess we're -- I think 13 we're not being honest with ourselves if we don't say we have 14 talked about, the last couple of budgets, about the guardrail 15 thing and the deputies going down to the border hurting our 16 revenue. And every time we look at revenues, one of the 17 first things we look at is J.P.'s, and they're not getting 18 any revenue because there's not any tickets that are being 19 written. So, I mean, let's be honest; revenue is part of our 20 jobs. And this is a -- 21 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: That's right. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because the -- the D.P.S., 23 which we have no control over, have shifted their priority, 24 or some of their priorities to the border, there is a void. 25 And this is a way to -- in a short term, to fix that problem, 7-14-15 bwk 79 1 to me. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, let me address my letter to 3 the four constables, since I'm taking some heat over that. 4 There was a study for seven years that showed what the 5 revenue was from the constables from traffic enforcement back 6 then. It included a good portion of that. It showed a 7 steady decline for seven years, almost down to -- to nothing 8 as far as traffic control is concerned. So that showed me 9 that there was a lack of traffic public safety enforcement in 10 the county, and so I wanted to point that out and try to 11 motivate them to try to get back into doing -- doing some 12 traffic control in the county for public safety purposes. 13 So, I sent the letter out like that. Now, I'm not in a -- 14 I'm not in a popularity contest, okay? I wasn't trying to do 15 this for a popularity contest, so I was trying to motivate 16 them to do that. And I don't know that they all lined up and 17 acted like they didn't want to do it, said, "All right," but 18 at least that was my -- I made an attempt at it. And that's 19 what it was, was trying to get traffic control, public safety 20 going back in the county. 21 Now, whether that's prompted by the D.P.S. having 22 to go down to the border or not, I don't know. I don't know 23 what all has prompted that, but I was trying to get traffic 24 control, public safety back up in the county. Now, the 25 Sheriff's overloaded. He hasn't got time; his people are 7-14-15 bwk 80 1 working criminal stuff all the time, and he doesn't have time 2 to do it, and I was aware of that. It was maybe the 3 constables could pick up the slack, and that's what that was 4 all about, okay? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Sure. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Now, I like this idea. 7 I do. Does anybody want to make -- let's just have a little 8 straw vote on it. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we have a straw vote with 10 a -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not in a workshop. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, not in a workshop. 13 MS. STEBBINS: That's right. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll go back in open 15 session. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's not on the agenda. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Not on the agenda. Well, then, put 18 it on the next agenda. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you do it, we will have to 20 enlarge -- I assume Coy would want to use my server. Have to 21 enlarge that server for the WatchGuard videos for Coy to have 22 control of all his videos. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Put it on the agenda. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Huh? 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Put it on the agenda. 7-14-15 bwk 81 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Put it on the agenda. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Because all that's going to 3 have to be -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'll discuss it then. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the real cost -- total 6 cost. If there's additional costs that we're not talking 7 about, we need to be aware of it. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Because it comes through 9 evidentiary items, too, through the Sheriff's Office. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there anything else we 11 need to talk about in this workshop session? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's take a break. 13 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I need a drink. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 15 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I need a drink. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's been a spirited 17 discussion, and I appreciate that. 18 COMMISSIONER BALDWIN: I do too. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes. That's the way it's supposed 20 to be. All right. So, the workshop session is adjourned, 21 then. We need to go back into open session, and is there 22 anything left on the open session today? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, go ahead. 7-14-15 bwk 82 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's the executive session 2 item. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We probably ought to do it 5 after lunch. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, ma'am? 7 MS. BOLIN: Can I just ask -- it says on here 8 "additional personnel." Are we not going to discuss that 9 today? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We can. 12 MS. BOLIN: I mean, I don't know what your plans 13 were, so -- because I asked for additional personnel. I know 14 Rusty has, and y'all have talked to him about it. Tim, I 15 think, put in for additional. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't know the revenue 17 numbers, so it's kind of all -- we can talk about it, but 18 until we know the revenue -- 19 MS. BOLIN: As long as we're going to address it at 20 another budget hearing, then we're good. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I would suggest let's wait 22 till we get the dollars, what we're going to get. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: After the 27th. 24 MS. BOLIN: Okay. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. If there's nothing else 7-14-15 bwk 83 1 other than going in -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The County Attorney wants to 3 say something. 4 MS. STEBBINS: No, I don't want to say anything. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We're back in open 6 session, then. 7 (Budget workshop adjourned at 11:59 a.m.) 8 - - - - - - - - - - 9 10 STATE OF TEXAS | 11 COUNTY OF KERR | 12 The above and foregoing is a true and complete 13 transcription of my stenotype notes taken in my capacity as 14 official reporter for the Commissioners Court of Kerr County, 15 Texas, at the time and place heretofore set forth. 16 DATED at Kerrville, Texas, this 31st day of July, 2015. 17 18 REBECCA BOLIN, Kerr County Clerk 19 BY: _________________________________ Kathy Banik, Deputy County Clerk 20 Certified Shorthand Reporter 21 22 23 24 25 7-14-15 bwk