1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, June 12, 2017 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Commissioners' Comments. 7 4 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 8 action for the Commissioners' Court to 5 approve the contract with Petroleum Equipment Services for the installation 6 of two high flow pumps at the Ingram Road & Bridge yard, and have the County 7 Judge sign same, Pct. 4. Kelly Hoffer. 8 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 10 action for the Court to approve a 9 Preliminary Plat for Forever Ranch No. 2, Pct. 4. 10 1.4 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 35 11 action for the Court to set a Public Hearing regarding changing the stop sign 12 to a yield sign at the intersection of McDonald Lp. N. and Stoneleigh Lp. N., 13 Pct. 2. 14 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 37 action to authorize a nominating committee 15 to seek nominations and submit an application to the Kerrville Chamber of 16 Commerce for a county employee to participate in the Kerr County Leadership 17 Class 2017-18. Application fee to be paid out of the current year's budget. 18 1.9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 39 19 action to approve using IT Capital Project funds from the 2012 CO (Line Item 16-680-450) 20 for the Maintenance Facility buildout. 21 1.10 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 48 action to approve donation to the Hill 22 Country Amateur Radio Club of a computer to be used for the Amateur Radio Emergency 23 Service. 24 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 51 action on revision of the Kerr County 25 Juvenile Detention Facility Policy and Procedure Manual. 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.18 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 55 action on request from the 216th District 4 Attorney to allow the U.S. Marshal Service to occupy space in the 216th District 5 Attorney's Office. 6 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department 63 Heads. 7 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 66 8 action on revision of the Kerr County Juvenile Detention Facility Policy and 9 Procedure Manual. 10 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 67 action on approval of agreement between 11 the Juvenile Detention Facility and Cameron County Juvenile Justice Department, and 12 authorize the Judge and/or Facility Administrator to sign the same. 13 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 69 14 action on request to authorize County Judge to prepare letter approving the 15 sale of beer at the Open Pro Rodeo to be held at the Hill Country Youth Event 16 Center on July 7, 2017 - July 8, 2017; letter to be sent to the Texas Alcoholic 17 Beverage Commission(TABC). 18 1.11 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 72 action to adopt Kerr County Safety 19 Resolution dated June 12, 2017, and have same signed by County Judge and 20 Commissioners' Court. 21 1.12 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 73 action to change Human Resources hours 22 of operation from 8 a.m. - 5 p.m. Monday thru Friday to 7 a.m. - 5 p.m. Monday thru 23 Friday. 24 25 4 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.13 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 75 action to address possibility of 4 prohibiting the sale or use of restricted fireworks (i.e.: "skyrockets with sticks" 5 and "missiles with fins") in any portion of the unincorporated area of Kerr County 6 pursuant to Local Government Code 352.051 for the Fourth of July fireworks season. 7 1.14 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 77 8 action on request to authorize County Judge to sign letter in support of the 9 United States Special Operations Forces Unconventional Warfare Exercise 18 taking 10 place from March 10 to June 1, 2018. 11 1.15 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 80 action to move Indigent Defense processing 12 and oversight from Indigent Healthcare back to the County Clerk and District Clerk 13 Departments. 14 1.16 Presentation regarding disability and 85 pension claims for Kerr County veterans 15 generated by the Texas Veterans Commission through the VA System. 16 1.17 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 91 17 action on Resolutions for participants in the Kerr County Wounded Warrior Family 18 Hill Country Adventure. 19 4.1 Pay bills. 94 20 4.2 Budget Amendments. 95 21 4.3 Late Bills. 95 22 4.4 Approve and accept Monthly Reports. 95 23 4.5 Auditor Reports. 96 24 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison 96 Committee Assignments as per attachment. 25 5 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department 97 Heads. 4 5.3 Reports from Boards, Commissions and 98 5 Committees. a). City/County Joint Projects or 6 Operations Reports b). Other 7 1.20 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 99 8 action regarding the "Paws and Pals" Dog Care Training Program. 9 *** Adjournment. 111 10 *** Reporter's Certificate. 112 11 * * * * * * 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 6 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's Monday, June 2 12, 2017, the Kerr County Commissioners' Court is in 3 session. We'll start off with prayer and then Pledge of 4 Allegiance. Please bow your heads in prayer. 5 (Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, this next part of 7 the agenda is the part where the public has the right to 8 speak on something, any item that is not on the agenda. 9 Is there anyone wishing to speak on some general item 10 that's not on the agenda, and if so, please approach the 11 podium, identify yourself, state your address, and limit 12 your comments to three minutes. Is there anyone? 13 Okay, we'll move on to the next thing, and that is 14 comments from the Commissioners and/or the County Judge 15 to recognize achievements of persons in their Precinct 16 and to make comments on matters not listed on the 17 agenda. And is Harley coming today or do we know? 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I would imagine. 19 MS. HOFFER: I saw him walk up. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon. Does anybody know 21 anything about Harley? 22 MS. HOFFER: I saw him walk into the 23 building. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He's here somewhere. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have nothing. Thank 7 1 you, Judge. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, I have nothing 3 today. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Nothing. 5 (Commissioner Belew is present.) 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: First of all, I think 7 we all -- our county and our neighbors to the north have 8 had some real hard times with traffic accidents, and 9 other types of deaths, and I know it is playing a hard 10 time on our first responders dealing with these, and 11 even one hit very close to home with a courthouse 12 family, and we just need to keep all of them in our 13 thoughts and in our prayers, because whether it's 14 somebody you know or answering them. Sheriff, I know 15 it's gotta be taking a toll on the people in your 16 department, so I think we just need to remember those. 17 And then on somewhat a happier note, I hope 18 to see everybody out at Divide at the fire station 19 Friday night starting at four o'clock. Best steak 20 dinner you'll ever have for 15 dollars, so -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a really great event. 22 It's well attended, and if you haven't been to one it's 23 worth going to just experience it, and I highly 24 recommend it to you. Anything else, Bob? 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No, Sir. 8 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, we'll go to item 1 on 2 the agenda. 1.1 consider, discuss and take appropriate 3 action for the Commissioners' Court to approve the 4 contract with Petroleum Equipment Services for the 5 installation of two high flow pumps at the Ingram Road & 6 Bridge yard, and have the County Judge sign same. Kelly 7 Hoffer. 8 MS. HOFFER: We currently have two gravity 9 flow tanks at our Ingram Road and Bridge yard. One of 10 them is for on-road diesel, and the other is for the 11 off-road diesel. Equipment tanks on our diesel 12 equipment are very large tanks so it a takes a long time 13 to fill those with the gravity fed. So one of the 14 supervisors that works out of that location had asked if 15 we could look into getting them more power that can fill 16 stuff a lot faster. I've attached the proposal from 17 Petroleum Equipment Service to install two high flow 18 pumps at the Ingram yard. The cost is $4,795.69. We 19 would like to take the funds from line item 15-612-569. 20 The County Auditor has confirmed there is enough money 21 in this line item to pay for that. The County Attorney 22 has reviewed this contract. 23 So at this time, we ask the Court for their 24 final approve of the contract with Petroleum Equipment 25 Service, and the Judge to sign the same, to install two 9 1 high flow pumps on the diesel fuel storage tanks at the 2 Ingram Road and Bridge yard in Precinct 4. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Kelly, question. Do 4 you have that high flow pump at the other location? 5 MS. HOFFER: Yes, Sir. Yes, Sir. We don't 6 have any -- they used to have some gravity fed tanks at 7 the Center Point yard, and I think the tanks are still 8 there, but we have not had fuel in them for a really 9 really long time. But yes, Sir the main office, I have 10 the three tanks the gasoline, and the two different 11 types of diesel all are that same type of pump. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. Thank you. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: County Attorney, did 14 you have any problems with this document? 15 MRS. STEBBINS: No, Sir. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval of 17 the agenda item and authorize County Judge to sign any 18 documents which are needed. 19 MR. BELEW: Second. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 21 reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew to pass the item 22 1.1, and that is to approve the contract with Petroleum 23 Equipment Services for the installation of two high flow 24 pumps at the Ingram Road and Bridge yard and have the 25 County Judge sign same. Is there any further 10 1 discussion? There being none, those in favor of the 2 motion signify by raising your right hands. It's four 3 zero, unanimous. Thank you, Kelly. 4 MS. HOFFER: Thank you, Sir. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.2 consider, discuss 6 and take appropriate action for the Court to approve a 7 preliminary plat for Forever Ranch No. 2. That's in 8 Precinct 4, Mr. Hastings. 9 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Mary Deanne 10 Marino owns 41.34 off of Dowling Road in Precinct 4 and 11 wishes to subdivide creating a platted 5.01 acre lot and 12 the remainder would be unplatted. The lot would be 13 served with a private well and OSSF, and meets the 14 minimum lot size, and the minimum lot frontage 15 requirement of a 150 feet on a residential road, there's 16 a private existing road, they've got well more and than 17 150 feet there. The Court approved the concept plan on 18 April 24, 2017, subject to of the submittal of a 19 preliminary plat and widening the access easements as 20 much as possible, that's Court Order 36086. They have 21 done that with this plat. They've widened it as much as 22 they can, including up to 40 feet wide when you get a 23 little deeper into the lot. So instead of 20 feet wide 24 that private access road is now 40 feet, if this 25 preliminary plat is approved by the Court the owner 11 1 would proceed to plot the lot as presented. 2 We've received the number of e-mails on 3 this, I would like to read them into the record. 4 JUDGE POLLRD: Are these e-mails from people 5 that are in the audience? 6 MR. HASTINGS: I believe they are. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, in order to avoid 8 duplication -- 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I beg to differ. I 10 know one isn't there because they called me this morning 11 and asked me -- 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Do you know which one 13 that is, Mr. Reeves? 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Charlie, it's the one 15 from Jim Dowdy, if you'll read the three names on the 16 e-mail and see if there's anyone else? 17 MR. HASTINGS: Okay, Lisa Dowdy, Jim Dowdy 18 and Cathy Schaefer(phonetic). 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Are they here? Okay, go 20 ahead and read that one. 21 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. It's dated Monday, 22 June 12th, and it's addressed to Commissioner Reeves 23 from Lisa M. Please read the following statement of the 24 Dowling Road hearing this morning. 25 Hello, I am highly concerned about the 12 1 proposal at hand of making acreage that backs up to our 2 property line into a subdivision. This property has 3 been in my family for over a hundred years. This 4 property has always been used for farming, raising 5 animals, hunting and fishing and simply enjoying the 6 open space. We ask that you do not rezone this 7 property. It will change the aesthetics, the use and 8 the meaning of the property. It will also devalue all 9 properties that choose to keep their property in the 10 natural state. It will change the wildlife structure as 11 well. I also find it concerning that we have not been 12 notified via mail in regards to this. We have a large 13 property line that we share with the property at hand. 14 It affects many aspects of my property. We also have to 15 drive in on the road that will be in front of these 16 houses. Please do not turn our beautiful natural land 17 into a subdivision. There is only one family that wants 18 this and many others that won't understand the 19 importance of keeping our beautiful Hill Country 20 property in its original state. Thank you, Lisa Dowdy 21 Mockery(phonetic), Jim Dowdy, Cathy Schaefer. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Who's the other? I'm 24 not sure -- 25 MR. HASTINGS: The other is sent from Mr. 13 1 and Mrs. Ohlmann. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Are they hear? Okay, read 3 it. 4 MR. HASTINGS: I'll read this one. This was 5 addressed to Commissioner Reeves, and I responded to it. 6 To whom it may concern: We have our reservations about 7 the proposed subdivision and the effects of the extra 8 traffic on the road and the bridge with the heavy loads 9 of building materials on a bridge that is in bad 10 condition, with what appears to have a crack in 11 approximately the middle, and a safety issue in that 12 there is no barrier to keep from flooding off the down 13 stream edge of the bridge. It is almost impossible to 14 see the edges of the bridge at night when making the 15 corner coming in from Highway 27 and therefore a hazard. 16 We have a three-horse trailer with a living quarters and 17 are unable to bring it home due to the sharpness of the 18 corner approaching the bridge. Trucks with building 19 materials would be hard pressed to make the corner also 20 with not much room to pass. Oncoming traffic at the 21 bridge is only one lane. So with that in mind we are 22 opposed to the subdivision in that more traffic will 23 exacerbate the safety issues. We also have questions 24 about who will be responsible for road maintenance of D 25 Trail. Will it be a County-maintained road as all other 14 1 county roads are, and if not who's going to be 2 responsible for maintenance with the extra traffic? 3 Respectfully, Mr. and Mrs. Ohlmann, 245 Dee Trail, 4 Ingram, Texas. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Spell was their last name. 6 MR. HASTINGS: O-H-L-M-A-N-N. And I had an 7 e-mail response back to that one. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, go ahead and read 9 that. 10 MR. HASTINGS: Mr. And Mrs. Ohlmann, I have 11 reviewed a copy of your e-mail expressing concerns over 12 the proposed subdivision on Dowling Road. Please allow 13 me to address your concerns. Recent traffic counts 14 indicate approximately 45 vehicles per day on Dowling 15 Road after crossing the bridge. This is expected to 16 increase to 51 vehicles per day with the proposed 17 subdivision. Both well below any volume that would 18 create concerns or issues concerning the creek crossing 19 and bridge approaches from either direction. 500 or 20 more vehicles per day would begin to become a reasonable 21 traffic control issue. The bridge is constructed of 22 reinforced concrete over three corrugated metal culvert 23 pipes and concrete peers embedded in the bedrock. 24 Despite the minor cracking and concrete falling the 25 bridge can handle heavy loads associated with 15 1 construction. Cracks and fault concrete are currently 2 scheduled for sealing and repairs in the upcoming 3 fall/winter. Dee Trail is a private road and privately 4 maintained. Maintenance responsibility lies with the 5 property owner. Your concerns for night visibility of 6 the bridge are valid. We will get a work order put 7 together to address this. I hope this helps. And that 8 was sent from Charlie Hastings, P.E., CFM, the County 9 Engineer, myself. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is that all the 11 e-mails you got? 12 MR. HASTINGS: That's all the e-mails, yes, 13 Sir. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All you got, Mr. Reeves? 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, thank you. 17 MR. HASTINGS: You're welcome. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Those that wish 19 to speak on this matter step forward, identify yourself, 20 state your address, and try to limit your comments to 21 three minutes. Who wants to step forward? Raise your 22 hands, how many people want to speak about this matter? 23 Three, four, five, okay. All right, go ahead, Sir. 24 All right. My name is Glen Gilley, I 25 represent 170 Dowling Road. I am against this. I could 16 1 talk about the issues with increased traffic integrating 2 the subdivision. I could talk about the issues with the 3 survey and how a new survey should be performed since 4 the acreage remainder and lot acreage listed are 5 inaccurate. I could talk about how the bridge should 6 never be, according to the survey, not subject to Kerr 7 County subdivision regulations with the division of this 8 property. I could talk about the subdivision is 9 situated on a privately maintained unpaved road 10 according to the survey, but section 7.08 of the 11 subdivision regulations explicitly states all resulting 12 tracts with frontage or access on to the road shall be 13 ten acres or larger; however, I want to talk about 14 something more important, why are we here, why are we 15 doing this, why are we wasting County time and resources 16 on this matter. Why are we wasting time on a single 17 five-acre subdivision on a 16.62 acre unplatted piece of 18 property. According to the Marino's representative it 19 is because, and I quote, if we had ten acres we wouldn't 20 be here today, we could so it off that easement, but 21 since we're not ten, we're here with five. However, now 22 only do they have ten, they have 15. Three 5.01 acre 23 lots are currently available. In fact the entire 15 24 acre lot was for sale for 395,000 as of just this 25 February. By the end of February 15 acres were pulled 17 1 off the market and it was modified to 5.01 acres a 2 piece. It was originally listed on September 30th, 2016 3 at $395,000.00. The description listed a cabin with 14 4 plus or minus acres on Johnson Creek. That was modified 5 on February 16th, 2017, and it has different variations 6 of 5.1 acres on Johnson Creek. So having said that, why 7 are we dealing with this subdivision since the Marino's 8 actually have the minimum ten acres available, and they 9 said they wouldn't be here if they have ten. 10 There's absolutely no reason to subdivide 11 Forever Ranch 2, and I ask the Court to stop wasting 12 time on this. Beyond the single five-acre subdivision 13 this request is a bellwether of things to come. A 14 precedent must be set now or these variance requests 15 will continue to be presented. This will not be the 16 last request you will see with Forever Ranch or Dowling 17 Road. Forever Ranch 3 and Forever Ranch 4 will be 18 coming soon after. Will both of these properties run 19 off the same driveway proposed for Forever Ranch 2. At 20 what point does the driveway turn into a full fledged 21 road? After Forever Ranch, then the McDermott Ranch 22 will ask for similar variance. According to a recent 23 survey the Marino's signed over .68 acres to McDermott 24 on the hill on April 20th, 2017. This gives McDermott 25 over 15 acres, which means five-acre subdivision 18 1 requests will appear for that subdivision as well. Then 2 all of a sudden the concerns on the traffic, the bridge, 3 the road conditions, etc., are not just related to 4 single property, it's seven properties. So why are we 5 hear? These subdivision regulations exist for a reason. 6 And it doesn't matter if the subdivision contains a 7 single property, seven or a thousand. The regulations 8 must be held up. Thank you. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 10 MR. WILLIAMS: My name is Gary Williams. My 11 wife Carol and I are the parties trying to buy this 12 property. And although I cannot see the future like Mr. 13 Gilley does, I have spoken to the Marino's, I can't 14 speak for the Marino's, but what Mr. Marino has said is 15 he is not going to sell any more of the property. This 16 is all they're going to get rid of, other than a small 17 cabin which is already rental property on the property. 18 So this is a subdivision by name only. We're going to 19 put a very small house, we're going to lead a very small 20 footprint on the property. We do not want to change 21 anything, we are not going to put up fences. We want to 22 see the exact same livestock, and there's no livestock, 23 but exact same wildlife, and views that the people that 24 are currently living in the area enjoy, and that is 25 simply it. This is going to be our retirement home, 19 1 we're not going to do thinking extravagant by the 2 county's standard, this is going to be a very small 3 modest house, it's going to be well under 2,000 feet, 4 it's probably going to be 1,800 or less. And we're 5 going to have an open car port, so that everyone in the 6 house will be able to view the hillside and the country 7 around it. It's going to be constructed of rock and 8 hardie board, which will be simulating cedar. So it'll 9 be a rock and cedar structure, and which will blend in 10 with the surrounding hillside. And we had entered into 11 this contract in the beginning to buy the full 10.2 12 acres. We were told by the realtors that the Marino's 13 are down to their last small acreage, and it's very 14 sentimental, this property has been in their family for 15 years and years, and other family members are concerned, 16 but this is the way things go. This is a private 17 landowner, the land has been split and inherited, on 18 down the line. This is their land, they wish to sell 19 it. They did not wish to -- even though we entered into 20 the ten-acre contract after they had second thoughts, we 21 agreed to buy a smaller portion, which is the only 22 reason we're here. Mr. Gilley is right about that. 23 We're asking simply to abide by what we have been asked 24 to do, we have done everything that we've been asked of 25 the Court, we've added more easement, out of my own 20 1 pocket I paid for the engineering for the septic system 2 so y'all can understand what type of soil, what type of 3 environmental impact this is going to have. We're 4 building entirely outside of the flood zone. There will 5 be nothing within the hundred year floodplain, and it's 6 just going to be a very minute change in the landscape. 7 And we're asking for the County to please approve this 8 variance so we can build our home and go on with our 9 lives. Thank you very much. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Who's next? We 11 had three others. You're the San Antonio lawyer. 12 MR. STONE: I am, I am. Don't hold it 13 against me too much. My name is Byron Stone, I'm here 14 on behalf of Single Plus Partners, L.L.C. Single Plus 15 Partners is basically the company that holds the house 16 that we own with my family and another family, so I'm 17 not just here as a lawyer. I actually in fact witnessed 18 it as well and spent a lot of time at this house. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: How big is the tract that 20 you own? 21 MR. STONE: We own 5.10 acres. And we 22 purchased our house and land from the Marino's a little 23 over two years ago. And to the prior point that the 24 Marino's told Mr. Williams they weren't going to 25 subdivide any further, we were told the same thing. And 21 1 I'm not going to belabor any of the points that have 2 already been made, we also share concerns about the 3 traffic and the bridge and that sort of thing, but I 4 really want to express something a little bit different 5 for our situation. Our property is on the river, it's 6 the river front property. It is immediately adjacent to 7 the property Mr. William's trying to purchase that's the 8 subject of this subdivision proceeding. And a more 9 importantly immediately downhill from this property, my 10 concern is I'm not sure whether this Court's been 11 presented with any sort of studies of hydrology and 12 drainage. My concern -- we have a problem with that 13 already, drainage is an issue. I was there last fall I 14 believe when we had very heavy rainfall, the spillway 15 became impassible, we had to stay an extra day. The 16 water was literally flowing passed our house on both 17 sides in two pretty rapidly rushing rivers of water. 18 One straight down the drainage ditch and the other down 19 the road, within ten feet of our house on both sides. 20 My concern is by adding another paved road right between 21 two other existing roads, we add impermeable surface 22 that is going to change not only the direction of the 23 runoff but also the velocity of the runoff, and what I 24 experienced last fall could change. Rather than going 25 down the ditch and the road, I don't know where this 22 1 water's going to go and I think that's the problem, I 2 don't think that any of us know. I've gone through the 3 subdivision regulations. I know those regulations 4 contemplates these type of studies, hydrology and 5 drainage. And that's -- that's what I'm here asking is 6 that if it's already been done, I'd like to see a copy 7 and have a chance to review it and respond to it. If it 8 hasn't been done, I'm asking the Court to require that 9 as part of this process just so that we know that we're 10 not going to have a property damage issue or a safety 11 issue at our house, you know, which we purchased from 12 the same seller just a couple years ago. And that's our 13 primary concern and I would appreciate it if the Court 14 would either provide us with a copy of the studies that 15 have been done, or require them to be done so that we 16 can all be sure that there's not going to be as the 17 regulations say an adverse impact on adjacent properties 18 or our health and safety. Thank you very much. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Who else? 20 MR. GREGORY: Good morning. My name is 21 Charles Gregory. My wife and I own the property located 22 at 3845 Junction Highway, and 3869 Junction Highway, 23 that is at the corner of Junction Highway and Dowling 24 Road. Dowling Road of course being the access across 25 the creek to the property we're talking about. As a 23 1 part of preparing for this I happen to notice that 2 Dowling Road seems to lay over a portion of my property, 3 so that all the increased traffic will be going directly 4 across my property. I've also come to the conclusion 5 that I may be paying taxes on a public road, but we'll 6 take that one up at another to time. I would echo what 7 Glen Gilley has said by really asking why are we here, 8 why do we have subdivision rules and regulations? I 9 understand the concept of variances. It's always been 10 my impression that a variance is given to excuse a minor 11 deviation from what is required, but we're not talking 12 about one minor deviation here; we're talking about 13 several things. This subdivision will not be on a paved 14 road. It's a stretch of the imagination to call that 15 road a road, it's somebody's driveway. The bridge is an 16 issue. As I understand the requirements are that the 17 river crossing meets some kind of a hundred year test. 18 I've seen that crossing go out three times in 40 years. 19 It doesn't serve to be called a bridge, it's a low water 20 crossing. It has been under water for the last two 21 years by some coincidence of timing. About two weeks 22 ago the County went out and did some cleaning out so 23 that it's no longer under water in case somebody wanted 24 to go out and take a look at it. I think that's it. It 25 will result in a lot of increased traffic, it's bound to 24 1 as this is developed. There will be not just the 2 traffic of people going to their house, but also all of 3 the vehicles associated with the construction of what 4 will go in there, and that bridge as has been discussed 5 it's already got -- that bridge, that crossing has 6 already got a major crack in it, I don't know that 7 putting a topping on it is going to change that. My 8 opinion based on what I've seen over 40 years, the next 9 major flood will take it out again. It's not a 10 sufficient crossing for a subdivision. I appreciate the 11 opportunity to address the Court. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Sir. Who else? 13 Is there another? 14 MS. COLLINS: I'm Jan Dowdy Collins, I live 15 at 174 Kyle Road West, Ingram. I own adjacent land to 16 this particular parcel that we're talking about. One of 17 the questions I have is if in the future I decide that I 18 want to do something similar, am I going to have a 19 problem getting a variance, because my entrance and 20 stuff is going to be very narrow. You know it seems to 21 me like if you're going to approve this that if I want 22 to do that in the future, that I should have no problem 23 getting that approved. Thank you. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: How narrow is your entrance? 25 MS. COLLINS: It's about, oh, under 30 feet. 25 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Anybody else? 2 Mr. Hastings, would you come back and address the 3 hydrology issue raised by attorney Stone. 4 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. I don't believe 5 there's a requirement for hydraulic or hydrologic study 6 for a one lot subdivision. It's not going to be 7 required on that. They're not building a road, they're 8 not required to do drainage calculations with this 9 particular plat. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Judge, I have a couple 11 questions, if I may. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Sure. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Several questions. Are 14 there deed restrictions in the subdivision? I asked 15 some of the people that are here speaking it sounds like 16 their deed restriction's they're being violated, and 17 this Court doesn't deal with -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No subdivision. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No subdivision. So 20 there's no deed restrictions on that. So my next 21 question is to the County Attorney. I don't know if 22 you've had a chance to look at this, Heather, but is 23 there anything that violates the subdivision regulations 24 so that it would preclude us from approving this 25 preliminary plat? 26 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Other than the under size of 2 the lot. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it's five acres. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The variance, Charlie, 5 is that correct, is the width of a part of the access to 6 the lot, correct? 7 MR. HASTINGS: There's not a variance on 8 this. Our concern when we brought it to Commissioners' 9 Court is we pointed out that they do have the 150 foot 10 of frontage on an existing private road. The lot only 11 has 30 some odd feet of frontage on Dowling Road, a 12 county-maintained road, but our subdivision regulations 13 don't make a distinction between a private road or a 14 county-maintained road as far as the access goes. So 15 that was more information and the main concern I think 16 that the Court had was that the existing road easement 17 going down was only 20 feet wide. And what can you do 18 to make it wider? And so they made it just as wide as 19 they can. It's variable at the front, but it opens up 20 to 40 feet wide once you get past Forever Ranch No. 1. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, Charlie, from your 22 observation -- 23 MR. HASTINGS: There's not a variance 24 request here. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 27 1 MR. HASTINGS: This should all be textbook. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the other 3 question, is there any need for a variance? So you 4 know, I totally sympathize and support keeping 5 everything looking the way that it is, and open views 6 and cattle and all that kind of stuff, but on the other 7 hand, you know, people have property, we -- you know, we 8 have restrictions on what we can and can't do on 9 subdividing if they so choose. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I've got a -- you guys 11 through? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, go ahead. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: A couple questions, 14 Mr. Hastings. In your narrative, you said creating a 15 platted 5.01 acre lot. The plat indicates 5.61. 16 MR. HASTINGS: That's true. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Which one is it? 18 MR. HASTINGS: It's 5.61. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So it is a 5.61. 20 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 5.01 was the other 22 gentleman. 23 MR. HASTINGS: I think that's when they had 24 this concept plan they had something smaller. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: As far as the bridge, 28 1 which I did ask you to go out there and look at the 2 bridge, there were concerns on that, and the clearing of 3 the bridge was from a safety because water was being 4 impounded when it shouldn't have been, is that correct? 5 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. When I went out 6 there to investigate and look at the bridge, or low 7 water crossing, if you will, since it's really just 8 three culvert pipes under a concrete road, I think it is 9 more appropriate to call it a low water crossing. The 10 culvert pipes were clogged. And so I got with the Road 11 & Bridge folks and asked them to put a work order 12 together to get it unclogged so I could go back out and 13 look at it again without having water going over the 14 top. I wanted to get a closer look at the cracks and 15 the spalled concrete. The cracks in the spalled 16 concrete are to be expected in a concrete road, and they 17 need to be addressed, and that's work that Road and 18 Bridge likes to do in the winter time, and it's not an 19 emergency right now, so they're going to do it later 20 this winter. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Dowling Road is a 22 county-maintained road? 23 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, it is. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is a comment by one 25 of the people about the bridge, which several people 29 1 commented. That's the county's responsibility; that's 2 not the developer's responsibility. For whatever reason 3 if there's a problem there that's the county's 4 responsibility to fix that, down the road and you know, 5 if traffic counts get to the point, or if it fails, it 6 has nothing to do with the developer or the person, 7 putting it on developer, one lot, is trying to do with 8 that property. 9 MR. HASTINGS: That's true. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And you don't feel a 11 need for hydraulic tests to address the owner of Forever 12 Ranch 1? 13 MR. HASTINGS: No, Sir. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: If this plat wasn't 15 approved our regulations have other ways that they could 16 do it, cut it out and we wouldn't have any control 17 whatsoever, is that true? 18 MR. HASTINGS: That's absolutely correct. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And what are some of 20 those? 21 They're 5.61 acres right now. If they were 22 to increase that by four plus acres and get it over a 23 ten acre then there's no platting requirement 24 whatsoever. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: If they increased it 30 1 we would have no -- 2 MR. HASTINGS: We'd have no say at all. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We'd have no say at 4 all. Are there other ways that they could do it? 5 MR. HASTINGS: That's one way. There are 6 some other exemptions that are in the subdivision 7 regulations, they're state law exemptions. And there's 8 six or seven of those exemptions -- I'm not going to go 9 through them. I'm sure that they're probably aware of 10 those. They could probably find an exemption also 11 through that. It's possible they could. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean people have the 13 right to do what they want with their property. If 14 somebody wants to sell a tract off, they have the right 15 to do that. And for us to come in as a government body 16 and say people don't have the right to do something like 17 that is one, it's against the law. So you know I 18 understand people have a concern about the Hill Country 19 being subdivided. Our rules are very strict in that 20 regard, but to me, I don't see any problem with this. 21 MR. GILLEY: May I say something in 22 response? 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can I ask Charlie one 24 more question please, Sir. One of the e-mails you 25 talked about adjoining property who adjoins this tract, 31 1 do you have the information on that? 2 MR. HASTINGS: Adjoining property to the 3 north is the existing Forever Ranch No. 1, Lot 1, and 4 then to the east is the balance of the property that's 5 being divided, the Marino's. To the south and to the 6 west they're McDermott. So the lots effectively 7 surrounded by three properties, and bounded by the 8 existing road easement. The frontage road easement. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the question is -- 10 oh, I'm sorry, Bob. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I thought Mr. Gilley 12 had something. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So is there any basis 14 that we have to disapprove or not approve it? 15 MR. HASTINGS: No, Sir. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So Judge, what I 17 was saying is there's really no basis for not 18 approving -- 19 MR. HASTINGS: No, Sir. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- the request. 21 MR. HASTINGS: My recommendation is at this 22 point I request that the Court approve the preliminary 23 plat for Forever Ranch No. 2, Precinct 4. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to hear what 25 Mr. Gilley says real quick, I'm sorry. 32 1 MR. GILLEY: We have no problem with her 2 selling ten acres, she has every right to sell ten 3 acres. The issue is, when you were asking the attorney 4 what the issue is, it's 7.08, the regulations that says 5 you cannot plat five acres on a privately maintained 6 unpaved road. Both of these are privately maintained 7 unpaved roads. The one that's building and the one 8 that's currently existing. 9 Now, she has ten acres available. Mr. 10 Williams wanted to buy ten acres, and to say she doesn't 11 have ten acres, they're listed on the MLS right now. 12 There's no reason it couldn't be moved up to ten acres. 13 And we have no say on it, you guys have no say. She can 14 sell ten acres, and it would be done. We wouldn't have 15 to go through any of these regulations, any of these 16 crazy subdivision rules, but they aren't even listed on 17 the MLS right now, the two other lots. And they are MLS 18 92976 -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's irrelevant. 20 MR. GILLEY: No, it's not. Because she has 21 15 acres available. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It doesn't make any 23 difference. If she wants to sell 5.61 acres she has the 24 right to do it. 25 MR. GILLEY: But that means she need to have 33 1 five acres available that do not go against 7.08 on 2 regulation. The regulations say you must not be against 3 a privately maintained unpaved road. On the survey plat 4 and it's on a privately maintained unpaved road, and 5 even Dee Trail right next to it is a privately 6 maintained unpaved road. That's the regulation 7.08, it 7 says it explicitly. 8 MR. HASTINGS: I'd like to address that this 9 lot is unique in that it has frontage also on Dowling 10 Road, which is a paved road. 11 MR. GILLEY: Sure but that was the -- we're 12 saying there's no variance, and that's the variance that 13 needs to be. That was the original variance will go 14 from 150 to 33 feet. 15 MR. HASTINGS: It's actually not a variance. 16 The subdivision regulations state that if a lot has less 17 than 150 foot of frontage on a road that the County 18 subdivision administrator has the authority with the 19 approval of the Court to authorize something less than 20 150 feet. We consider it on a case by case basis. This 21 lot's very unique in that it has well over a 150 foot of 22 frontage on a privately maintained road, and it has 23 30 -- 36-- well, I don't remember how many feet it is. 24 33.45 feet on Dowling Road. It has both. It actually 25 has dual frontage. And I recommend that we approve it. 34 1 I don't see any engineering reason why not to approve 2 it. It's not going to create a traffic hazard for them 3 to have 33.45 feet of frontage on Dowling Road. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I tend to -- I think 5 you and I probably agree we had seen stuff at times cut 6 up like this, but based on Mr. Hastings recommendation 7 as well as reviewing all of this, I have to stand that 8 if a person wants to sell their property, they meet our 9 requirements so I move for approval of the preliminary 10 plat for Forever Ranch No. 2 in Precinct 4. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: You seconded it Mr. Moser? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it was moved by 15 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 16 approve item 1.2 on the agenda, which is to approve 17 the preliminary plat for the Forever Ranch in 18 Precinct 2. Is there any further -- 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Forever Ranch Number 20 2, which is in Precinct 4. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Plat for forever 22 Forever Ranch Number 2 in Precinct 4. All right, any 23 further discussion? Those in favor of the motion 24 signify by raising your right hands. It's four zero, 25 unanimous. 35 1 All right, thank y'all for coming. Item 1.3 2 consider, discuss and take appropriate action for the 3 Court to accept the right-of-way warranty deed for 4 Avenue B in Center Point, Precinct Number 2. 5 Mr. Hastings. 6 MRS. STEBBINS: I believe he wanted to pass 7 on that one. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He wants to pass. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll pass that 10 then. Item 1.4 consider, discuss and take appropriate 11 action for the Court to set a public hearing regarding 12 changing the stop sign to a yield sign at the 13 intersection of McDonald Loop North and Stoneleigh Loop 14 North in Precinct 2, Kelly Hoffer. 15 MS. HOFFER: Jim Behrens made a request to 16 the Road and Bridge on May 25th, 2017 to change the 17 existing stop sign to a yield sign at the intersection 18 of McDonald Loop North and Stoneleigh Road North in 19 Precinct 2. 20 March 23rd, 1992 the Road & Bridge 21 Department came to the Court and asked to change the 22 yield sign at this intersection to a stop sign. I was 23 unable to find any backup data, you know, possibly there 24 was an accident or something that we changed it from 25 what we currently have, so I don't have the answer on 36 1 that. It was on a list of roads that had some signage 2 changes that were regulatory signs. I'm not necessarily 3 against it; I just have a little concern that we had 4 that configuration that's being requested at one time, 5 and for whatever reason, March 23rd, 1992 the Court 6 decided to change the yield sign to a stop sign. I wish 7 I had the reason, you know, for that, but I do not. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But Kelly this is to 9 call for a public hearing; not to discuss the pros and 10 cons. 11 MS. HOFFER: Right. But I just kind of 12 wanted to give the history of it. We did some traffic 13 counts, really don't see much of a speeding issue on 14 either road -- 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, once again -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is a public 17 hearing, Kelly. We don't need all the -- 18 MS. HOFFER: At this time, I ask the Court 19 to set a public hearing regarding changing the existing 20 stop sign to a yield sign at the intersection of 21 McDonald Loop Road and Stoneleigh Road North for Monday 22 July the 24th, 2017 at 9 a.m. in Precinct 2. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 37 1 Moser seconded, by Commissioner Belew to approve the 2 setting of a public hearing regarding changing the stop 3 sign to a yield sign at the intersection of McDonald 4 Loop North and Stoneleigh Loop North in Precinct 2. Is 5 there any further decision? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: July 21st? 7 MS. HOFFER: 24th is a Monday. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: At 9? 9 MS. HOFFER: 9. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: So is the motion to set it 11 for a public hearing at that time? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further 14 discussion? There being none, those in favor signify by 15 raising are your right hands. It's four zero, 16 unanimous. Thank you, Kelly. 17 MS. HOFFER: Thank you. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Now let's go to item 1.8 19 because we're past the time on that. Consider, discuss 20 and take appropriate action to authorize a nominating 21 committee to seek nominations and submit an application 22 to the Kerrville Chamber of Commerce for a County 23 employee to participate in the Kerr County Leadership 24 Class 2017 and '18. Application fee to be paid out of 25 the current year's budget. Tracy Soldan. 38 1 MRS. SOLDAN: Yes, Sir. This is the third 2 year that I've come to the Court to request this 3 procedure for the next year's leadership class. I'm 4 just requesting approval for that to happen again. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the committee has 6 been yourself and who else? 7 MRS. SOLDAN: And HR Director and the County 8 Attorney. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move to reappoint 10 the same committee for this year to return to the Court 11 with a selection for the 17-18 Kerr County Leadership 12 Class. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Are the same committee 15 members willing to do that? 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It doesn't matter. 17 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: That's kind of a necessary 19 predicate, I believe. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Command performance. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved 22 that the same committee members be reappointed to seek 23 nominations and to submit an application to the 24 Kerrville Chamber of Commerce for a county employee to 25 participate in the Kerr County Leadership Class 2017 and 39 1 '18, and the application fee is to be paid out of the 2 current year's budget. Is there any further discussion 3 about that motion? 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I want to clarify. I 5 know why we want the same people back because they've 6 done such an excellent job to this point, and I know 7 that's what Commissioner Reeves was alluding to. I want 8 to clarify that. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you, 10 Commissioner. But they still have no choice. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I tried. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, I betcha they could 13 refuse. 14 MRS. STEBBINS: I won't refuse. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further 16 discussion? There being none, those in favor of the 17 motion signify by raising your right hands. It's four 18 zero, unanimous. 19 MRS. SOLDAN: Thank you. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: There's another one set at 21 9:30. Item 1.9 consider, discuss and take appropriate 22 action to approve using IT capital project funds from 23 the 2012 certificate of obligation, that's line item 24 16-680-450, for the maintenance facility buildout, John 25 Trolinger. 40 1 MR. TROLINGER: Good morning. Mr. Bollier 2 would like to move his maintenance operation to the 3 former recycling center off Hayes Street. We have no 4 internet, telephone, any kind of network infrastructure, 5 and I'm asking to modify my existing capital budget to 6 the tune of $6,193.00, which is in my budget worksheet 7 and has been for sometime, just to move that up and get 8 that project going so we can get some service out to 9 that facility. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How much is in that 11 line item? 12 MR. TROLINGER: We're under $20,000.00 13 remaining in the capital fund 16 capital for IT. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What was in there 15 originally? 16 MR. TROLINGER: I don't recall. It was very 17 large. It's a five year -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Five or six hundred 19 thousand. 20 MR. TROLINGER: It's a certificate of 21 obligation fund. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 25 Moser and seconded by Commissioner Letz to approve item 41 1 1.9 on the agenda, and that is to authorize IT, using 2 capital project funds from the 2012 certificate of 3 obligation line item 16-680-450 to provide for the 4 hookup of all the necessary hookups for the maintenance 5 facility building. Now is there any further discussion? 6 There being none -- 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I have a question. 8 What all are we getting for that money? 9 MR. TROLINGER: Well, my current plan is to 10 put up a radio tower at the facility to provide a point 11 to point microwave link between courthouse and Hayes 12 Street. The trees -- the height of the trees and the 13 other obstructions right now block the direct view, so 14 I'm planning on putting up a basically a radio here at 15 the courthouse in addition to the -- 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That just for two-way? 17 MR. TROLINGER: Yes. It's strictly for that 18 facility. It might provide some secondary functions 19 later on, but basically I'm going to ask the County 20 Engineer for some help and we're going to figure out the 21 best way. My fallback plan is if we cannot install the 22 radio tower is I'll just have to order fiber service and 23 we'll have to get that construction done to get it down 24 Hayes street, and it's something that'll be a recurring 25 cost. 42 1 JUDGE POLLARD: And that would be a lot more 2 expensive? 3 MR. TROLINGER: Over five years it would be 4 more expensive to pay for the recurring cost of the 5 fiber, and for this facility I think the single point to 6 point connection like that would be the best bang for 7 the buck. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How high are we talking 9 about? 10 MR. TROLINGER: That's why I need to speak 11 with Mr. Hastings to verify my numbers on the elevation 12 study. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: The City doesn't like 14 that kind of stuff. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Probably require a 16 permit. 17 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. And I did ask Mr. 18 Hastings how do I get started on that. So if I do run 19 into a roadblock or if there's some problem with putting 20 up that kind of equipment that I could have a fallback 21 plan on that, and this would also well cover it for this 22 budget here. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you mentioned 24 recurring costs in fiber optics. How's that a recurring 25 cost with point to point? 43 1 MR. TROLINGER: Well, over about five years 2 for this equipment. Somewhere between five and seven 3 years is the life of the equipment, I estimate. I have 4 some that's coming up on eight that's installed right 5 now, and it requires little maintenance. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So why -- I'm confused 7 of the reocurring cost for fiber optics. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You said we'd have to 9 run our own fiber? 10 MR. TROLINGER: No, Sir. We'd have to pay 11 for construction or have construction down Hayes Street. 12 I don't believe there's a line from any of the providers 13 to that facility. So typically we've got to have the 14 thing built out, and then we've got to pay that 15 recurring cost. In order to provide enough bandwidth 16 for that facility to operate, even though it's -- you 17 know, the Maintenance Department you wouldn't think they 18 need a lot, but they need telephones which runs across 19 our network, and they need to still log into our 20 financial system. And it's in the neighborhood of three 21 to four hundred dollars per month. Probably four 22 hundred dollars per month for fiber optic service to 23 extend our network to make a simple extension. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question. You really 25 have that much wide band demand for fiber optics for 44 1 maintenance auxiliary facility? 2 MR. TROLINGER: That's why -- I said 3 basically the -- you know, you'd think it wouldn't be 4 that much but our financial system it requires a lot of 5 bandwidth to log in there and just to enter your time, 6 you know, a lot of bandwidth. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Could they enter it 8 here rather than enter it over there? 9 MR. TROLINGER: I thought about all those 10 things and I -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I mean it's only a 12 couple blocks away. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, that defeats the 14 purpose of them moving. If we can't move it -- 15 MR. TROLINGER: But that is the best 16 long-term solution. And I've also asked Mr. Bollier 17 there's some space for IT if we want to put some things 18 in there off-site he's going to enclose the metal 19 building, the drive-thru and whatnot. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the recurring cost 21 you estimate to be what? 22 MR. TROLINGER: Up to $5,000.00 per year. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Golly. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To have fiber? 25 MR. TROLINGER: I do not believe so. 45 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, no, no. To have 2 fiber it's -- 3 MR. TROLINGER: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- $5,000.00 a year? 5 That doesn't make sense. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It doesn't to me. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It sounds high. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Have you checked with 9 Windstram and Hill Country Telephone to verify there's 10 no fiber there? Have you checked? 11 MR. TROLINGER: I have not asked the phone 12 companies. I actually went out and looked at the poles. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I know HEB is a 14 block away, and they have high-speed internet. It 15 doesn't take much to run some down the road. 16 MR. TROLINGER: No, it's not much to it, but 17 thee's construction and installation and what not. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It's a one-time cost. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the City doesn't 20 have anything there? 21 MR. TROLINGER: They have that radio antenna 22 up on the roof, and it's going to communications -- 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: In the recycle place. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. I mean across the 25 street at their main -- 46 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Oh, yes they do. They 2 do at the Municipal Court. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think you need to 4 look at some more options. It's just putting in a point 5 to point antennas and all that kind of stuff and the 6 need for fiber optics for that immediately. I'm just 7 concerned about recurring cost. 8 MR. TROLINGER: It is a lot, and there's a 9 way to do it very cheaply to put in a basic internet 10 service, but you know in the long run, this is -- I felt 11 this was the best solution that I'm presenting today. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But how about in the 13 near term rather than long term? 14 MR. TROLINGER: Well, near term we can just 15 order a line and put it in and they can have internet 16 service in a -- probably a couple weeks. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And they can log into 18 their time hours from there? Yes? 19 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, but they'll be some 20 obstacles. I've gotta arrange some things, have them 21 change the way they're doing business now, and it's 22 complicated. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Would they get e-mails 24 if I said I need them to come clean up the yard, I could 25 e-mail over there and they could get that e-mail? 47 1 MR. TROLINGER: Well, that's on their -- 2 typically based on their smart phones, yes, Sir. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, they could. 4 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Could I pick up the 6 telephone with them putting a phone line and say Mr. 7 Bollier can you come over to the courthouse and take 8 care of this maintenance? 9 MR. TROLINGER: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Could they log into 11 their time and that they started to work at 8 o'clock 12 and they got off at 5? 13 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, we can make it happen. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And how much would 15 that cost? 16 MR. TROLINGER: I don't know the number for 17 the basics, I don't recall the basic speeds. It's 18 somewhere in the neighborhood of -- I don't know the 19 number. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And couldn't you 21 put -- if you did that, couldn't we find a more pressing 22 issue for some of this six thousand dollars? 23 MR. TROLINGER: Oh, there are plenty of 24 issues that -- items that I have to use six thousand 25 dollars for as a capital project. But Mr. Bollier -- 48 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think you need to 2 look at some more options here rather than -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I withdraw my second. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I withdraw my motion to 5 approve. 6 MR. TROLINGER: Yeah, I agree. I sat on 7 this a while hoping it would fall into the next budget 8 year by the way. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They need this so they 10 can get moved, but let's find a more economic way for 11 them to get moved. 12 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. Thank you for 13 your help. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, no action on that 16 item, that was item 1.9. 17 There's another 1.10, a timed one at 9:30, 18 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 19 donation to the Hill Country Amateur Radio Club of a 20 computer to be used for the Amateur Radio Emergency 21 Service. Mr. Trolinger. 22 MR. TROLINGER: Thank you. The Hill Country 23 Amateur Radio Service and the president, Mr. Dale 24 Gaudier is here if you have any questions. He has a 25 need for a couple of computers I found out during one of 49 1 the exercises with the Kerr County Emergency Manager Dub 2 Thomas that the computer that they use for the e-mail 3 communications during the exercises had failed and 4 someone was using their personal computer. We've got 5 computers that I keep set aside for emergencies, they've 6 been in two or three other places before, they're not 7 destruct computers, but they're not suitable to -- we're 8 not going to put it on someone's work station unless 9 there's an emergency experience. For example if we had 10 an emergency and needed to switch it to the AG barn 11 somewhere, to get a bunch of computers to be over at the 12 courthouse, and I'm asking to donate one of those 13 computers. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question, John, is the 15 Amateur Radio Club, is that part of the capabilities of 16 the emergency management coordinator? 17 MR. TROLINGER: Yes. The CERT Team and the 18 Hill Country Red Cross and the Amateur Radio Club all 19 work together with the manager and they had exercises 20 this past month. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's a key 22 element? 23 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir, communication. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Question to the County 25 Attorney or the Auditor, what do we -- can we do? 50 1 MRS. STEBBINS: I think that we can. I 2 would like to draft something that said that they 3 accepted, you know, as is, and they won't hold us liable 4 for anything that -- any damage it may cause, and I 5 would like to prepare a document. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we have to declare 7 it surplus first or -- 8 MRS. DOSS: I think so. 9 MRS. STEBBINS: Brenda says yes. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Should we come back 11 with another meeting with all of this so we can do it 12 properly? 13 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, unless it's part of the 14 emergency plan that we do something like this, and I 15 haven't had an opportunity to have a look at that. I 16 don't know the answer. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we wait two weeks, 18 Mr. Trolinger? 19 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we research it, 21 please? 22 MRS. STEBBINS: Sure. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's a good idea. I 24 just want to make sure all the ducks are in a row. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, no action 51 1 currently on item 1.10. We'll put it on the agenda item 2 for two weeks. 3 All right, is that all the timed items. 4 Let's go back to 1.5 consider, discuss and take 5 appropriate action on revision of Kerr County Juvenile 6 Detention Facility policy and procedure manual, 7 Mr. Jason Davis. 8 MR. DAVIS: Good morning, Your Honor, 9 Commissioners. This is a follow-up from the last 10 meeting where we addressed the items required by PREA, 11 which this Court is very familiar with, fortunately or 12 unfortunately depending on your opinion. The packet 13 y'all have had time to review, I would like to see if 14 you have any questions for me. If you'd like to proceed 15 today on this, or if we need to address it in some 16 further manner and bring it back before the Court. 17 Specifically, the question arose not so much 18 with the instructor's guide, but as the Court is aware 19 with the intake assessment, housing form, and 20 specifically the one question addressed on the form, 21 which was I believe question number -- I lost it now. 22 Question number 9. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Which says what? 24 MR. DAVIS: Which says number 9, do you 25 identify with being gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, 52 1 transgender, inner sex. Does juvenile's appearance 2 differ from gender norms. This is a scoring assessment, 3 a risk assessment in order to determine it has potential 4 risk to a youth coming in to the facility. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And this can be for 6 what age? 7 MR. DAVIS: Ages 10 to 16, or youth that 8 come into the facility, 17 on probation violation. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the youngest would 10 be a ten-year old is asked that question? 11 MR. DAVIS: Yes, Sir. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I think we asked 13 before, if we do not approve this change then what's 14 the -- what's the downside, what's the implication? We 15 don't get State funding, is that correct? They close 16 the facility, or what? 17 MR. DAVIS: Many folds to this. Short term 18 is the State has advised that they have the ability to 19 withhold funding from the Juvenile Probation Department, 20 roughly 395 thousand dollars annually. That would be 21 the first thing. The second thing is probably the more 22 immediate effect would be -- because the State is not -- 23 let me back up. They're not threatening, but they're 24 saying we could do this. And if the Feds hold us 25 accountable, we're going to have to hold you 53 1 accountable. I mean that's the short answer there. But 2 I mean the more immediate action would be by September 1 3 all juvenile facilities that house juveniles where State 4 funds are being utilized, those must be PREA compliant 5 facilities, so what happens is the 21 counties -- or 20 6 other counties that place their kids here they cannot 7 use State funding to place their children here. For 8 instance, Bandera County. Bandera County could come 9 over here and place the kid here, they could use their 10 County funds to do that to place a child here, no issue 11 there. But if they use one penny of State funding, then 12 they get hit, and it would come back on that County. So 13 what happens is we would lose all of our business other 14 than Kerr County, that would be the most immediate 15 effect. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's not just the 17 395 or 400 thousand dollars at risk, it's all this other 18 stuff that the facility would not be acceptable for the 19 other 19 or 20 counties? 20 MR. DAVIS: That's correct, yes. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the question -- 22 Jason, is the question -- are you required to read the 23 question exactly as it is in the document, or can you, I 24 guess, ask a question how you see fit to accomplish what 25 you think the purpose of that question is? 54 1 MR. DAVIS: Great question. And I had a 2 very long conversation with that exact question with the 3 Auditor with TJJD that's going to be coming in. The 4 question about omitting that, and I asked him, can we 5 omit it, can we rephrase it, can we leave out the 6 terminology and I was advised we cannot. This form 7 actually comes off of the Federal website for PREA, and 8 I was asked if we could alter that, and I was advised 9 that we could not. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The question is if we 11 like it or not, if we're going to continue to operate a 12 juvenile detention facility, we don't have any choice. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Absolutely, we don't have a 14 choice. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And we have 20 other 16 counties that rely on it. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 19 approve the revisions of the Kerr County Juvenile 20 Detention Facility policy as submitted. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I reluctantly second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 23 Letz, and reluctantly seconded by Commissioner Moser to 24 approve the revision to the policies and procedures 25 manual of the Kerr County as presented in accordance 55 1 with item 1.5 of the agenda. Any further discussion? 2 There being none, those in favor signify by raising your 3 right hands. Two in favor. Those opposed. Two. I 4 vote in favor. It's three to two, it passes. Okay. 5 All right. 1.6 -- 6 MRS. STEBBINS: Judge, there's a ten o'clock 7 item at 1.18. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: What? 9 MRS. STEBBINS: 1.18, there's a ten o'clock 10 item. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, okay. 1.18 consider, 12 discuss and take appropriate action on request from the 13 216th District Attorney to allow the U.S. Marshals 14 Service to occupy space in the 216th District Attorney's 15 office. Lucy Wilke. 16 MRS. WILKE: Thank you. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Welcome, Madam. 18 MRS. WILKE: Thank you, thank you, good 19 morning. We would like to allow the U.S. Marshals 20 office to office in our -- we have an extra office. 21 Stacie Keeble old office is not being used currently for 22 anything in our office, and we're seeking permission to 23 have the U.S. Marshals office in that office. I'm not 24 sure how familiar you gentlemen are with what the U.S. 25 Marshals do, but they assist our office, the 198th DA's 56 1 office, and then the local law enforcement offices on a 2 regular basis, and I have Lance Coleman here with the 3 U.S. Marshals Service. I've worked with Lance in the 4 past when he was a Texas Ranger, worked closely with 5 him, I've worked with him closely as a U.S. Marshal. So 6 the rent is the same whether they're in there or not, so 7 that's why I am asking permission to allow them to take 8 office in that space. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It'll be rent free to 10 them? 11 MRS. WILKE: It would be rent free to them. 12 This is just a -- let's see how this works out. They're 13 here frequently in our County, and so it would be rent 14 free to them. 15 MR. BELEW: So they're not to go occupy it 16 all the time, just when they need a place? 17 MRS. WILKE: Correct. Well, they will be in 18 there regularly, probably two to three times a week. Is 19 that correct, Lance? 20 MR. COLEMAN: Yes. 21 MRS. WILKE: Two to three times a week, 22 every now and then they need an office in the evening, 23 after hours, on the weekend. Something comes up and 24 they need a place where they can use our conference room 25 or access to computer, a printer. They'll have their 57 1 own computer, their own printer, their own paper; it 2 won't be County equipment. And so that's how it'll get 3 used. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That office is unused? 5 MRS. WILKE: It's unused. We've been using 6 it for -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I have an idea that if 8 there's a place for them to park they'll probably be 9 here a little more often, and it'll expand. 10 MRS. WILKE: Correct, correct. And who 11 knows where it'll go. If this works out well for them, 12 they may want an office somewhere else. Also depending 13 on how long we stay in that building, they may have to 14 find somewhere else to office, but we'd like to give 15 this a try and see how it works out. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If you were to move, as 17 is being suggested, would you make space for these 18 people in the new facility? 19 MRS. WILKE: I would attempt to do that. 20 You know, we're kind of limited in our space at the new 21 facility that we're looking at, but I have already 22 started thinking about how we could make some space in 23 there for them if they need it. And if not, I know 24 there's other agencies that might be able to make some 25 space for them, if they decide this is working out well 58 1 for them. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do they currently just 3 office out of San Antonio? 4 MRS. WILKE: They do, they do. But they do 5 quite a bit of work here. And Lance is here if you'd 6 like to hear from him. He can tell you a little bit 7 about what they do and how they assist other agencies 8 and exactly how much work they do here locally. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think it's one thing 11 to say you got space that's not used now and it doesn't 12 increase the rent, but to -- if in fact you move, to 13 provide facilities there rent free again, I mean there's 14 going to be a need for a date, so what's creating the 15 need? 16 MRS. WILKE: I'll let Lance address that. I 17 think they've been doing without for a long time and 18 it's been quiet inconvenient, and it's really difficult 19 to not have a place to, you know -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Park. 21 MRS. WILKE: -- kind of a place where you 22 can meet with other law enforcement agencies and a -- 23 park exactly like you say. So Lance and I have talked 24 about it for a long time. It wasn't until late last 25 week, I believe it was, that he said we'd really like to 59 1 consider this and really like to look into it, can we do 2 this. So it's -- the need has been there for quite 3 sometime, it just hasn't been done. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You talked about having 5 access after hours, so they would have access to this 6 building at all times, is that -- 7 MRS. WILKE: They will. We have talked to 8 the Cailloux Foundation and they do not have any 9 objection to this. It's not going to increase the rent, 10 it's not going to change anything. They do not have any 11 objection. But yet they will have a key. They asked me 12 if Commissioners approve this to put them in contact 13 with them, so he can be available to them should they 14 need something after hours. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: I had a visit this morning 16 with Constable Wilke just before Commissioners' Court 17 started, too and he was advising me how the Marshals 18 office was up here, and cooperating with him as a 19 Constable and other law enforcement agencies here. And 20 they assist a lot, they help our local law enforcement 21 agencies a lot. This is a benefit to Kerr County for 22 them to even be here and have a place to regularly park 23 and assist us in our local law enforcement and our 24 community. This is a safety factor here. 25 MRS. WILKE: Correct. And that's why they 60 1 need an office in our area, because they're doing work 2 in our area. Obviously if they're doing work in other 3 areas they don't need a place in Kerrville, but when 4 they're working in Kerrville they need an office 5 someplace to be able to sit down and make some phone 6 calls. Our phone service over at the office wouldn't -- 7 everybody uses their cell phone, and even I get phone 8 calls on my cell phone more than on the land lines at 9 the office. But our office phone service is the same, 10 it's a flat fee every month, so it's not going to affect 11 that either. 12 And Commissioner Moser, going back to if our 13 office should move into the new space as providing 14 space, what I basically told Lance is if this works out 15 and there's not any space anywhere else for him to 16 office should we move, that I would consider them being 17 able to use our conference room basically. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So bottom line this is 19 a benefit to all the taxpayers of Kerr County. 20 MRS. WILKE: Absolutely. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And for what's been 22 discussed here and we'll discuss it if we move the 23 benefits and the cost thereof in the future. 24 MRS. WILKE: Absolutely, yes, Sir. And just 25 Lance was telling me that they've recently been helping 61 1 the 198th in home invasion case that they've been 2 working on, and now of course with the recent case from 3 last week from Friday they'll be assisting with that as 4 well. So again it's just local law enforcement 5 agencies, and both DA's offices as well. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So I move that we allow 7 the U.S. Marshals Service to occupy space in the 216th 8 District Attorney office that's not being utilized at 9 this time. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 12 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Belew, this is in 13 reference to item 1.18 on the agenda, to allow the U.S. 14 Marshals Service to occupy some unused -- currently 15 unused space in the 216th District Attorney's Office. 16 Is there any further discussion? 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think the Sheriff 18 wanted to make a comment. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, I think they can 20 do it. I was just going to speak in support of it. 21 We've used them a lot over the years, and I think you 22 mostly hear of the Lone Star Fugitive Task Force, and 23 they've helped us bring people back from other states, 24 other countries, locate people, and they are a big asset 25 and extra manpower for all law enforcement. 62 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Apparently, there was a 2 deputy U.S. Marshal here that -- 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Lance Coleman. We 4 won't count him. He used to be a Texas Ranger, and 5 Lance is very good in helping all of us. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further 7 discussion? 8 CONSTABLE WILKE: I would like to make a 9 comment if I could. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes. 11 CONSTABLE WILKE: And that is we don't often 12 realize how much they have supported us. And I can tell 13 you from all my years in Kerrville we call the U.S. 14 Marshals for the most dangerous suspects, because they 15 have the resources to come here and assist us to make 16 the arrest safely and least endanger the public, so his 17 service is invaluable. And there is so much effort put 18 into these cases to ensure the public safety and that's 19 where their resources come in and their planning. So 20 this is great. 21 MRS. WILKE: And I did not ask my husband to 22 say that, FYI. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 24 signify by raising your right hand. It's four zero, 25 unanimous. Thank you all. 63 1 MRS. WILKE: Thank you. Thank you very 2 much, we appreciate it. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Shall we take a break? 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, ten-minute break. 5 We'll resume at 20 after. Eight-minute break. 6 (Break.) 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, Commissioners' 8 Court is back in session, everybody please have a seat 9 and let's have order in the courtroom. All right, who's 10 not here? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Jason's not here. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Also it's been mentioned to 13 me that there's one request that I think the Sheriff has 14 a short announcement to make about Clay's daughter and 15 her status that I think everybody's interested in, and 16 I'd like to hear it. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, not an 18 announcement. Let's see if I can keep it together. 19 She's in surgery. Now, it's been a long week, okay, 20 with everything. And she's doing good, she's holding 21 her own. The brain activity came back normal so right 22 now, so they were able to go forward with the surgery on 23 the femurs, both femurs were broke, but that's just 24 going to be the first of many, many surgeries for Jenny, 25 but just keep praying, but she's doing good. 64 1 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd understood that due to 2 brain swelling that they couldn't do the surgeries until 3 the brain swelling went down some. And that has 4 happened, and brain activity's back to normal, and so 5 that's going to enable them to do these surgeries. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, the brain 7 activity, when they put that monitor in, you know, 8 because she's in a coma at this time, induced coma so 9 the brain activity should be about, you know, anywhere 10 from two to twenty with the lower end being the best, 11 and because of the coma, and it was at four yesterday, 12 which is good. The swelling wasn't going up. They are 13 putting a monitor in there. And it was holding its own. 14 But she -- they weren't going to be able to do any of 15 the surgeries. She's still got to have surgeries on the 16 arm, and chest, and a lot of other places, but at least 17 it's good enough this morning that they could go ahead 18 with the surgery on the legs. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Fantastic news. Thank you. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And she is there, and 21 just praying for her to come out of that. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: She in the hospital in 23 Austin? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: She's in the hospital 25 at Trauma One Center in Round Rock. But those that 65 1 weren't aware her husband is the youth minister at First 2 Baptist Church in Fredericksburg, and they were coming 3 back from a retreat between Burnet -- or Lampasas and 4 Burnet. And a male in a pickup crossed over the center 5 stripe. Her husband in the bus with kids was able to 6 avoid, and he was in front of Jenny who was in the van 7 with kids behind him. He was able to swerve, but she 8 could not, and got hit head on. And so the miracle, 9 besides her, the miracle of this is I think she had 10 either 9 or 12 kids in the van with her, and the worse 11 injury to any of the kids was a little scratch on the 12 chin and some abrasions. The adult college student that 13 was with her in the van, did receive, I think, a broken 14 wrist in that. But Jenny, it took them hours to even 15 get her out of the van, and get her stable enough to go 16 to Austin. We have not heard on the male driver of the 17 pickup. I know that he was in just as critical 18 situation as she was. I was also told there was a young 19 girl in the truck with him and that she escaped injury. 20 So there's a lot of blessings in this thing, too. And I 21 think on our Facebook there's right now it's over a 22 140,000 people that are praying for her, not counting 23 ten churches. So that's the key. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a lot of praying 25 power. 66 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's a lot of praying 2 power. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: That's probably why the 4 results are good. 5 Okay, there's also been a request that we go 6 back to item 1.5 on the agenda for additional comments 7 by Mr. Jason Davis. 8 MR. DAVIS: Commissioner Moser and I had a 9 conversation outside during the break and he asked for 10 me to provide some further information that this Court 11 was not aware of in reference to this item. 12 Specifically, I've told you the shortfall effects of 13 what would happen if we were not to pass the item. The 14 longer term effects would be this: Because we would not 15 have been in compliance with Federal law, that subjects 16 us to basically a civil lawsuit. There are advocacy 17 groups are very much in favor of this law, and there are 18 a lot of good things about those groups, and this law 19 that I'm completely supported of; however, it is my 20 personal belief that certain advocacy groups are 21 probably looking for a test case to tell them no, we're 22 not going to do it. And it has happened before, it has 23 happened in this State where when a facility it does not 24 adhere to certain Federal statutes, that those 25 facilities are in fact sued in Federal Court by those 67 1 advocacy groups. That would be the longer-term effects 2 of if we were not to comply with it. There's many 3 layers of it, but just by not complying, yes it's a 4 money issue, but eventually it's a Federal lawsuit 5 issue. Is that -- 6 JUDGE POLLARD: And it's not just 7 speculation, is it, about these groups, they are very 8 active, and they've been in your office a number of 9 times that I'm aware of. You've told me about it. 10 MR. DAVIS: Correct. In the building. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: And they come in and make 12 investigations, and they're looking for -- they're 13 focusing on our detention center. Among others. 14 MR. DAVIS: Among others yes, Sir. And 15 again, most of the groups are very well intended, and 16 most of their work is very good work; however, you get 17 one person that with some malicious intent or a lot of 18 political ideology that they're wanting to pursue, and 19 that's where the conflict becomes. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Okay. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Jason, I 22 think that was very important to get that on the record. 23 MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Commissioners. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, let's go back to item 25 1.6 consider, discuss and take appropriate action on 68 1 approval of agreement between the Juvenile Detention 2 Facility and Cameron County Juvenile Justice Department, 3 and authorize the County Judge and/or the Facility 4 Administrator to execute it. This is one of the 5 contracts that might be affected by an adverse vote like 6 that, a situation. All right, Mr. Davis. 7 MR. DAVIS: Every year Cameron County, 8 Judge, asks that we renew an agreement and sign it. It 9 is part of their hurricane evacuation plan. Cameron 10 County does not place children normally in the building; 11 however, should they have to have an emergency 12 evacuation, because we normally have a few open beds, 13 they would like to bring kids here in the event. This 14 is just -- it is not a full contract as we normally have 15 with most of the other counties, but normally Cameron 16 and Nueces Counties, we just have an agreement for 17 overflow. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: When a good hurricane's 19 coming in off the Gulf. 20 MR. DAVIS: Yeah. And TJJD recognizes this 21 as an agreement, and I believe the County Attorney has 22 approved it. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval of 25 the agenda item, and authorize County Judge or the -- or 69 1 in this case not the County Judge, but Mr. Davis to sign 2 such agreement. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, both of us. It 4 requires both our signatures. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. I beg your 6 pardon, I just saw his signature on the page. So the 7 necessary signatures. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 11 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to approve item 12 1.6, and that is the contract between Cameron County 13 Juvenile Justice Department and our County, and 14 authorize both Jason Davis and myself to sign the 15 contract. Is there any further discussion? There being 16 none, those in favor signify by raising your right hand. 17 It's four zero, unanimous. Thank you very much. 18 MR. DAVIS: Thank you all. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. Item 1.7 20 consider, discuss and take appropriate action on request 21 to authorize County Judge to prepare a letter approving 22 the sale of beer at the Open Pro Rodeo to be held at the 23 Hill Country Youth Event Center on July 7, 2017, also on 24 July 8th, 2017, and a letter to be sent to the Texas 25 Alcoholic Beverage Commission. This is required in 70 1 order to do that. Jake Williamson, how you doing today? 2 MR. WILLIAMSON: Doing well, Your Honor. 3 Thanks for taking the time this morning. As per Texas 4 Alcohol Policy, I do need permission from the owners of 5 the fairgrounds to submit a letter saying I have 6 authorized use of the area off of my premise, so this is 7 the outdoor arena which is off my premise, we would like 8 to sell beer at the rodeo, July 7th and 8th. It's a 9 Lester Meier produced rodeo and will be called the 10 Kerrville Pro Open Rodeo, formerly known as Kerr Fest. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So Jake, you have 12 approval in what facilities but not in what other? 13 MR. WILLIAMSON: We have a diagram premise 14 at the Event Center. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But this is outside of 16 the building, so they have to get a new license. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Should we just increase 18 that scope? 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We ran into some other 20 liability issues, and this was the best way to work it 21 out. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's been done case by 23 case like this. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Does that mean during 25 that time period they'll be two different licenses in 71 1 operation? 2 MR. WILLIAMSON: No, because I'll not have 3 the indoor license active, because it will be an outside 4 event. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It'll be active but 6 you're just not going to be selling there. 7 MR. WILLIAMSON: Correct. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You don't have to 9 inactivate the other one? 10 MR. WILLIAMSON: No. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's just going to 12 open the area up for the sale but it'll be outside on 13 the outdoor arena I'm assuming someplace. 14 MR. DAVIS: Correct. We'll have the bar out 15 there and have a tent. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move for approval of 17 the agenda item. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved by Commissioner 20 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Letz to approve item 21 1.7 on the agenda, and that is to authorize the County 22 Judge to prepare a letter approving -- which letter 23 approves the sale of beer at the Open Pro Rodeo to be 24 held at the Hill Country Youth Event Center on July 7th 25 and 8th, 2017, and that letter to be sent to the Texas 72 1 Alcoholic Beverage Commission for a new, I guess, a 2 one-time permit. 3 MR. WILLIAMSON: A temporary permit. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: A temporary permit to do 5 this. All right, is there any further discussion? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a comment. This is 7 probably worthwhile for the legislature to look at their 8 rules on something like this as opposed to a lot of the 9 other things they waste their time on, because our rules 10 on alcohol sales in this State are cane and ridiculous. 11 MR. BELEW: And confusing. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: You want to have a vote on 13 that? I support it. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sounds like you're 15 running for office. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, is there any 18 further discussion as to the motion? If not, those in 19 favor of the motion signify by raising their right hand. 20 It's four zero, unanimous. 21 All right, let's go to item 1.11 consider, 22 discuss and take appropriate action to adopt Kerr County 23 Safety Resolution dated June 12, 2017 and to have same 24 signed by the County Judge and the Commissioners' Court, 25 all of them. All right, Dawn Lantz. 73 1 MRS. LANTZ: Good morning, Judge, 2 Commissioners. This is a Resolution we have on file and 3 since we have a new Commissioner on Court, I felt like 4 it was appropriate to bring it back to Court to have it 5 signed, and it's something that we do try to bring it 6 back to Court every two years, and it follows our 7 policies with our workers' comp where we get free 8 training with Texas Association of Counties, and it just 9 helps us with our safety procedures here at the County. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: A comment. It's not often 13 that we have employees come for and ask to work for 14 another hour a day. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Not on this one. 16 Wrong again. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: That's the companion one. 18 All right. All right, those in favor of the motion 19 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 20 unanimous. 21 Let's go to 1.12 consider, discuss and take 22 appropriate action to change Human Recourses hours of 23 operation from 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. on Monday through Friday 24 to 7 a.m. to 5 p.m. so Monday through Friday. Dawn 25 Lantz. 74 1 MRS. LANTZ: The reason why I'm requesting 2 this is we have a lot of employees that work shift work 3 and it's hard for them to get to our office. They 4 either have to request the time off with wherever 5 they're working, especially like at the jail, Road & 6 Bridge, and also, here at the courthouse, a lot of times 7 they want to come to our office prior to being here. 8 That way they're not missing time in their office. So 9 we're requesting the Court that we change our hours. It 10 will not affect any overtime or comp time. We'll just 11 adjust our hours so if by chance Cindy is not in the 12 office, I'll take up that slack, so we're just going to 13 make sure somebody's there during those times. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You've talked to me, 15 this is just to provide better service for our employees 16 and more availability? 17 MRS. LANTZ: Yes. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I appreciate you doing 19 it. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah, I compliment you 21 on it. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. Go ahead. 75 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 2 seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve item 1.12 on 3 the agenda to change the hours of operation for the 4 Human Resources Department of Kerr County to 7 a.m. to 5 5 p.m. on Monday through Friday, and there will be comp 6 time adjustments for that. 7 MRS. LANTZ: Well, we'll just adjust the 8 hours. It will not be comp time or anything. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just adjust the work 10 hours. 11 MRS. LANTZ: Yes. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any 13 further comment or discussion? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I just thought probably 15 requesting this because of all the increased traffic 16 with James Avery and everybody about between you and 17 your home. 18 MRS. LANTZ: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm just kidding. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Beat the traffic. Any 21 further comment? There being none, those in favor of 22 the motion signify by raising your right hands. It's 23 four zero, unanimous. 24 Item 1.13 consider, discuss and take 25 appropriate action to address possibility of prohibiting 76 1 the sale or use of restricted fireworks, i.e. "sky 2 rockets with sticks" and "missile's" with fins" in any 3 portion of the unincorporated area of Kerr County 4 pursuant to Local Government Code 352.051 for the Fourth 5 of July fireworks. 6 It's a full explanation is in the agenda and 7 this is the same stuff we come to on all of this. Do 8 you think there's a reason to prohibit them at this 9 time? 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't believe we 11 can, can we Commissioner Letz? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't believe so. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Without drought 14 conditions. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't believe so. 16 Under the requirements of the State Law that gives us 17 authority, so -- 18 MRS. STEBBINS: This one is a little bit 19 different than the ones we've been doing over the past 20 two or three times where it has to meet a particular 21 number on the drought index if we can prohibit it. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I don't believe 23 we're there. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a motion necessary 25 on this one? 77 1 MRS. STEBBINS: Not if y'all -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll move on to 4 item 1.14 consider, discuss and take appropriate action 5 on request to authorize the County Judge to sign a 6 letter in support of the United States Special 7 Operations Forces Unconventional Warfare Exercise 18 8 taking place from March 10 to June 1, 2018. 9 Mr. Mead has communicated with me and said 10 that he couldn't be here. He is a -- wears civilian 11 clothes and he came to visit with me for probably an 12 hour, I'm going to say ten days ago or more, and he is a 13 retired special operations -- I think he was a Command 14 Sergeant Major. Anyway, he indicated that they have had 15 operations in the Hill Country previously on a number of 16 occasions. There was some controversy raised about it, 17 but they were not operating previously in Kerr County. 18 They've decided this time they want to expand and 19 include Kerr County in those operations. He's indicated 20 they cooperated with all local -- notified and 21 cooperated with all local law enforcement agencies and 22 everybody else. There will be a command station, let's 23 call it, located in Kerrville, and it's a way for these 24 guys to practice about their kind of an operation, and 25 it's our military, and they've gotten along with all 78 1 other counties, mostly the western county's further west 2 of us here, and were very successful with all of them 3 and the other counties had no complaints about it, and 4 highly recommend it. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What part of the 6 County will they be conducting this in? 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, it could possibly 8 could be the whole County. Because their command post 9 will be in the City. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And how many people 11 will there be involved? 12 JUDGE POLLARD: They were talking about the 13 command post would be only maybe two, three, four guys. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What about the rest of 15 the -- 16 JUDGE POLLARD: That can vary from time to 17 time, it'll be in other counties, and maybe some here. 18 But in any case if it involves a landowner they will be 19 in touch with the landowner ahead of time and get 20 consent from that landowner; otherwise they won't be 21 involved on that landowner's property. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I visited with one of 23 our employees that had some experience in this, and he 24 basically felt there was plenty of government property 25 and government bases that this type of training could be 79 1 held at without subjecting to the army practicing 2 someplace else. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So what's the downside 4 for approving this or signing this letter? 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, they won't operate in 6 Kerr County, and they feel like -- they want it to be 7 broader, and they want to be able to set up a command 8 operation in a medium size city. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to see 10 Mr. Mead come back and address the whole Court because 11 I'm sure we do have some questions on this. Be my 12 personal -- 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'd like to hear from 14 him. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: That's fine. We can do it. 16 When I visited with him there, not really crazy about 17 getting into the public forum. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I was 19 thinking. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. They're not -- but I 21 can communicate that to him. This guys busy. He comes 22 out of North Carolina -- 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's fine. If he's 24 busy, he's busy. But to know where he's going to be 25 doing it, I understand some of it may be classified. I 80 1 know the last one, I can't think what the last one they 2 had was called, it created a lot of -- 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Jade Helm 15. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Jade Helm 15. It 5 created a lot of concern, probably some that was not 6 legitimate concern. But I'd like to know what he's 7 planning because five of us up here are going to be the 8 ones getting phone calls, so I'd like to be able to 9 answer specific questions when our voters ask it. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: I can pass it on. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know how much 12 he'd be able to tell us. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Could this go into 14 closed session? 15 MRS. STEBBINS: I can look and see. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. I'll communicate it 17 to him after I hear from her and we'll see. All right, 18 no action on that item for the present. Let's put it on 19 the next agenda. 20 All right. Item 1.15 consider, discuss and 21 take appropriate action to move Indigent Defense 22 Processing and oversight from Indigent Health care back 23 to the County Clerk and District Clerks. Commissioner 24 Letz. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not real sure how I 81 1 got started on this thing, but the more I looked into 2 it -- first of all -- well, the Court evidently made a 3 decision awhile back to move it from the District and 4 County Clerk when Rosa Lavender was doing Indigent 5 Defense, and she was -- and an additional stipend of an 6 additional 36 hundred dollars was added to her salary. 7 Concern now really is it is not a good match to have 8 indigent defense people at the same place you have the 9 Victims Coordinator. I mean you're dealing with both 10 sides of the same crime, or the situation where they're 11 going to be meeting potentially in the office, which is 12 to me not good. And I talked to both County Clerk and 13 District Clerk about it, and they'd be willing to take 14 it back to their departments. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Are they go going to need 16 another employee? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're such team 18 players. They thought they could absorb it back into 19 their departments with no additional employees. This 20 does not count for -- I know the District Clerk 21 requested a new employee, but this is a -- 22 MS. BURLEW: Yeah, that's separate. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- separate area to go 24 back to that area of her department, so they're willing 25 to do it. It'll save us 36 hundred dollars out of our 82 1 budget, and it puts it back in a position to me it 2 belongs. They're dealing with this type of work and the 3 Sheriff gets involved, too, because he's very much 4 involved in indigent defense. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, Sir. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only thing we need 7 to remember, and I think this was part of the reason 8 they moved it to Rosa in the beginning, and especially 9 now, and of course this legislature may change things 10 even more, is that there is a very stringent time frame 11 on when that work has to be done, and when that attorney 12 has to be appointed, or it can really jeopardize the 13 entire criminal defense and prosecution of that case, 14 and that would be my only concern is the time frame 15 coming out of those Courts, not knocking anything that 16 that either of the District Clerk or County Clerk are 17 doing, because I think they may be under staffed in some 18 areas. But I know that some things that are coming out 19 of those courts have been delayed quite a bit. If you 20 delay the appointment of an attorney you're going to 21 open up to that -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I understand that, 23 and that is a concern, but what we're doing right now 24 we're taking someone who's supposed to be doing indigent 25 health care primarily and they're sitting up in district 83 1 court all the time not doing their job, because they 2 need to be up in the courtroom; whereas, the County 3 Clerk and District Clerk they have personnel in the 4 other courts on a lot more regular basis and I think 5 it's a better fit. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: And have to be there for 7 other reasons anyway. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How to decide whether 9 it's County Clerk or District Clerk? 10 MS. BURLEW: On the charge. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On the charge. 12 MRS. STEBBINS: On the level of crime. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It depends on the case, 14 what the case is. If it's a felony -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's clear. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But the courtroom part 17 is just the last part. A lot of it is what we send 18 over, what the inmate, the arrestee, you know, fills out 19 and has sent over and the background and what they have 20 to do on that to see whether or not they qualify for a 21 court appointed attorney. And that has some serious 22 time constraints to it. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. I think -- I 24 mean I agree with you, what the Sheriff said, I'm aware 25 of that. 84 1 MRS. LANTZ: And you know when Mary Lou 2 isn't here, then I go up in the courts and I do it, so 3 that takes me out of my office when she's out, so it's 4 just a better fit to do the District and the County 5 Clerk's office because they're here in the process. We 6 also get daily requests from the jail which we -- Mary 7 Lou has been working with the officers, I know that 8 she's worked with Becky's office to make sure that those 9 keep going and there will be no disruption in those 10 cases or those people getting attorneys appointed. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: So the HR job is a filling 12 in for others when needed? 13 MRS. LANTZ: Yes, Sir. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And getting up earlier, 15 too. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sounds like a good 17 improvement. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Uh-huh, it is. All right, 19 what's your desires, guys? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 21 move the indigent defense process and oversight from 22 Indigent Health Care back to the County Clerk and 23 District Clerk Departments as they're being handled. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: When do we want to 25 make that -- 85 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Effective today. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Effective today. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that all right with 4 y'all? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's fine. I second 6 that. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 8 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to move the 9 Indigent Defense Oversight back to the County Clerk and 10 District Clerk's offices. Is the lady that's been doing 11 it down here, is she in agreement with it? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. Mary Lou. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Mary Lou, okay. Any further 14 comment or discussion? If not, those in favor of the 15 motion signify by raising their right hand. It's four 16 zero, unanimous. Thank you very much. 17 All right, item 1.16 presentation regarding 18 the disability and pension claims for Kerr County 19 veterans generated by the Texas Veterans Commission 20 through the VA system. Maggie Baker, howdy. 21 MS. BAKER: Good morning. Every year in May 22 we get the results of all the monies that come in to our 23 counties. We have our Southwest District Manager who 24 has 54 counties, and he meets with Houston -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: You have a very soft voice. 86 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, having a hard 2 time hearing you. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Speak into that, yeah, okay. 4 MS. BAKER: And he went -- and what he does 5 him and all the District Managers, they meet with the 6 Texas Veterans Commission, they go over all the monies 7 that have been brought into each one of the counties. 8 And right now, I believe we have probably between four 9 and five veteran service officers, the County, and then 10 for the State there's an additional probably two to 11 three hundred. So this money that goes, and it comes 12 back into the counties to helping our veterans and our 13 surviving spouses. It's also used for education, for 14 loans. The veterans want to use it for a land loan or a 15 home loan or to help with refurbishing their homes. 16 So what we have gotten as you'll see is page 17 1 of 9. It starts out with all the counties that we 18 have and it lists all of them. Now, when you read these 19 numbers, the money numbers, you have to add an 20 additional three zeros, so these are usually in millions 21 of dollars that come to us. The Texas Veterans 22 Commission has broke it all down, and I believe it's the 23 last page that you have. And it starts with for fiscal 24 year '15 for the veterans population it was 4,857 in 25 Kerr County. Fiscal year '16, we decreased our numbers 87 1 down to 4,771 and that's a change in 86. Now, that 86 2 for our veterans as we've had a lot of our World War II 3 veterans pass, along with some have actually moved out 4 of Kerr County into another State possibly to be with 5 their families. 6 The total expenditures and that's all the 7 monies that have come into Kerr County, and that goes 8 for the Comp & Pen, for education, insurance, medical 9 care, so you see the change for the total expenditures. 10 The total amount of money that has come into Kerr County 11 for the past year, we've increased $3,482,000.00. The 12 Com & Pen, which is a disability and pensions that have 13 come into our veterans in Kerr County, we've increased 14 that money by $2,954,000.00. The education, now this is 15 for the Hazlewood Act Act, it can be for the 911, 16 chapter 31 and chapter 35 monies that come in, so we 17 have increased that by 49,000. The insurance, this is 18 our veterans who have cashed in their insurance 19 policies, and this is just for the last year, we've 20 increased giving them their insurance money by 21 $70,000.00. The medical care, it is decreased by 22 $743,000.00. The money that's used to help them with 23 their apartments in the VA Health Care System. Now, 24 that change was a decrease that's partially because of 25 the 86 veterans that we've had that have either left or 88 1 passed. So 743 that's a lot for 86 veterans. And the 2 unique patients we've increased by 16. It doesn't sound 3 like a lot, but that's just for Kerr County going into 4 the VA Health Care System. And the unique patients, 5 that's veterans that are going to the VA and they're 6 seeing more than just one doctor, more than one clinic. 7 They can either go to their -- well, everyone has a 8 health care -- or I mean -- excuse me, their primary 9 caregiver. From there they can go to mental health, 10 dental, any one of the clinics that we have here in Kerr 11 County. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So Maggie, what's a 13 unique patient? Is that seeing multiple doctors, is 14 that what this is? 15 MS. BAKER: Right. They can go and have a 16 primary health care doctor along with maybe they might 17 need orthopedic or they might need to get into the 18 dental or, you know, any one of the clinics that we have 19 over here for the VA. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that population 21 that is decreased by 86, but those are not -- I don't 22 add the plus 16, that's just unique patients that are 23 among the population, is that what you're saying? 24 MS. BAKER: Right, it's increased from FY 25 '15 to FY '16. And this is all tax-free money that 89 1 comes to Kerrville. There's a few people that I've 2 talked with, and you know of course not a hundred 3 percent of this money stays in Kerr County, because if 4 someone gets a prorated backpay, like I've had one who 5 received $87,000.00 in a prorated back pay amount, but 6 then every month after that he'll receive, you know, his 7 monthly disability check. They might go to San Antonio 8 and they might buy a vehicle, you know, or they might go 9 to San Antonio to do some shopping. But on a monthly 10 basis they pay their electricity bill here, their water 11 bill, they go to the convenient stores to, you know, 12 fill up the gas tank, Walmart, HEB, a lot of these, you 13 know, smaller stores that, you know, they're originated, 14 you know, by family-owned businesses here in Kerr 15 County. So I'd say probably between 75 to 80 percent in 16 the money that they receive goes directly to Kerr 17 County. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did you compile this 19 data or is this provided? 20 MS. BAKER: No. This came directly from the 21 Texas Veterans Commission. Because when we, the veteran 22 service officers, send in their claims to Houston, then 23 they get broke down by County. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see, okay. One of 25 the things we talked about before we created the 90 1 position was some way, some parameters by with which to 2 measure the effectiveness of your office, so this is an 3 indication of that. Okay. 4 MS. BAKER: I believe when Commissioner 5 Baldwin was here for my interview he had said that I had 6 to create enough money coming back to my veterans to 7 equal two times of my salary. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I think the whole 9 Court decided that. 10 MS. BAKER: Probably. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Not that we didn't want 12 to give Buster credit for that. 13 MS. BAKER: He's not here. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If you look overall 15 these run through the whole list for the counties of our 16 population, or the number of veterans actually, in our 17 County we receive far more than most counties that have 18 a similar veterans' population. 19 MS. BAKER: And we have a lot too -- you 20 know, you can -- where is it? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So no action. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you, Maggie. 25 MS. BAKER: You're welcome. 91 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's see, I 2 think it's 1.19, isn't it? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 7. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss and take 5 appropriate action on Resolutions for participants in 6 the Kerr County Wounded Warrior Family Hill Country 7 Adventure. Commissioner Moser. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks, Judge. Just to 9 give a little bit of background before I read the 10 proposed resolution. This is the third year, I believe, 11 that the community has hosted wounded warriors. This 12 year there will be seven wounded warrior families here, 13 I think for June 20th through the 25th, and all these 14 wounded warriors essentially have had tours in Iraq or 15 Afghanistan and have been wounded, and have various 16 deficits because of that. But I wanted to point out 17 that -- that Tony Harlan(phonetic) and his wife Cynthia 18 are the driving force behind all this. They work 19 tirelessly on this. Let me give you some examples. 20 This week, or June the 20th, they'll be hosted, all 21 their hotels are provided, the money that comes into 22 this program is spent 100 percent in Kerr County, 100 23 percent. There's no administration cost. Commissioner 24 Reeves and I have served as volunteers on this along 25 with a lot of other people. The children are placed in 92 1 camps, every single day to give the couple's an 2 opportunity to be together, couple's choose what they 3 want to do from canoeing, to golf, to wine tours, to 4 shopping, they're given gift cards for shopping, so this 5 is a huge plus by a group of people in Kerr County that 6 is doing this. 7 And the way it's been held in the past the 8 City welcomes them at a welcome dinner, and the County 9 thanks them in their departing luncheon on Sunday. So 10 with that let me read into the record the Resolution, 11 this will be for each one of the seven wounded warriors. 12 A Resolution of the Kerr County 13 Commissioners' Court honoring 2017 Kerr County Wounded 14 Warrior Family Hill Country Adventure participant, and 15 then their name is identified, and his family. 16 Whereas Kerr County Wounded Warrior Family 17 Hill Country Adventure was organized to provide a 18 variety of opportunities for the wound veterans and 19 their families to enjoy activities in the Texas Hill 20 Country; and whereas -- get my laptop to work here. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I got a hard copy. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Whereas seven families 23 have participated in this event in Kerr County from June 24 20, 2017 to June 25, 2017; and whereas these seven brave 25 servicemen and their families have sacrificed to protect 93 1 and defend the United States and its citizens through 2 their Heroic efforts on the battlefield; and THEREFORE, 3 BE IT RESOLVED Kerr County's Commissioners' Court joins 4 all residents in Kerr County to honor and pay tribute to 5 Wounded Warrior (specifies their name) on the completion 6 of his Kerr County Wounded Warrior Hill Country 7 Adventure, and wish him and his family great success as 8 he continues his recovery and plans for the future and 9 the future for his family. Signed by every member of 10 Commissioners' Court. 11 So I move that we approve these seven 12 Resolutions. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second it with a 14 comment. You mentioned the camps. It's the summer 15 camps that we're so proud of here that they get to go 16 to, and the camps provide that for these kids. And I 17 talked to them and I'm sure all the other Court had, the 18 young ones who get to go, they wouldn't have been able 19 to spend a week like they get to do, and it's a 20 tremendous event that's put on, and I just have a small 21 portion of cooking a meal one night, but -- or helping 22 cook a meal one night, but it's a great event. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, is there any 24 further discussion? Those in favor of the motion 25 signify by raising your right hand. It's four zero, 94 1 unanimous. That motion was made by the way by 2 Commissioner Reeves and seconded by Commissioner Moser, 3 I think. No, you moved it. Moser moved for it and 4 Reeves seconded it. All right, thank you. 5 All right. Is there anything for closed 6 session on 1.19? 7 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. I have a couple 8 items. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: And there's a 1.20, but 10 it's set at two o'clock. 11 All right, let's go to paying bills. How 12 about the bills? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Go ahead and pay the 14 bills, Judge. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 17 Letz, and seconded by Commissioner Reeves to pay the 18 bills as presented. Any questions or comments? Do you 19 have any comments -- 20 MRS. DOSS: No, Sir. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: -- Miss Auditor? 22 MRS. DOSS: No, Sir. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 24 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 25 unanimous. 95 1 4.2 budget amendments. 2 MRS. DOSS: Yes, Sir, we have 9 budget 3 amendments. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Any questions about them? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we approve the 6 budget amendments. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second that. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 9 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve the 10 budget amendments as presented. Any further comments or 11 questions? Those in favor of the motion signify by 12 raising your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 13 4.3 late bills. 14 MRS. DOSS: There are no late bills. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: We'll go to 4.4 approve and 16 accept monthly reports. Mr. Reeves. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. All of the 18 reports are for the month of May, 2017. District 19 Clerk's monthly report, Kerr County Environmental 20 Health, Kerr County Animal Services, J.P. Precinct 2, 21 Constable Precinct Number 4, Constable Precinct Number 22 2, Constable Precinct Number 1, J.P. Precinct Number 1 23 monthly report, the payroll approval report for the 24 month ending May 31, 2017. 25 Move to approve the reports as submitted and 96 1 sign as needed. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 5 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to approve the 6 monthly reports as read into the record by Commissioner 7 Reeves. Are there any further comments or questions? 8 If not, those in favor signify by raising your right 9 hands. It's four zero, unanimous. Thank you very much. 10 Let's go to 4.5 Auditor's reports. 11 MRS. DOSS: There are none, Sir. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 5.1 reports from 13 Commissioners, liaison committee assignments. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. But I can't 15 find what I did with my paperwork on this. Jody's going 16 to kill me, because she made all these copies. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Right behind you there. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Oh, thank you, Jody. 19 I just wanted to pass around, certainly no action on it, 20 but for the Court to look at, just a little revamp on 21 the agenda request of how maybe they could be submitted. 22 I got this idea how to tie this into the liaison reports 23 from AACOG. It certainly makes it easier when the 24 agendas are passed around at AACOG to follow all of 25 that, and it seems to make things have a few less 97 1 questions on it. So I just want to pass it around right 2 now, and we certainly can't take action. Let you see 3 how AACOG presents their agenda package, and if we think 4 we like it maybe we could take action on it at a later 5 date. Judge, you've been there, you know the 6 efficiency -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Pretty efficient. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The efficiency of it. 9 Take a little more work on the people submitting the 10 agendas, but no action of course, and just wanted to 11 pass that around to y'all. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. All right. And any 13 other comments or questions? 14 All right, reports from elected officials 15 and department heads. Any? 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I was at the jail 17 meeting, the most recent, and coming in under budget. 18 The meeting occasionally was kind of like herding cats, 19 but they kind of all got back together where they needed 20 to be. And with some of the savings they'll be able to 21 do some maintenance on the building that has needed to 22 be done for a long time, like repainting cells, sand 23 blasting, painting, and picking some things up around 24 there that will fall under maintenance rather than 25 renovation, so there's some smart savings going on. And 98 1 that money is not going to be taken out of the -- our 2 good fund, it'll come before the Court again. In a very 3 good way. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: That's very good news. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Anything else, Rusty. 6 Is that about it? 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's about it. But, 8 there is concern whether the 90 days of housing out of 9 county will have to be extended 120 days. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There goes our money. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Oh, well. They had 12 contingency for that, so we oughta be okay. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. All right. Any 14 reports from boards, commissions and committees? On 15 City/County joint projects or operations reports, or any 16 other kind of report. Anybody? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I met with the City 18 Manager last week and we talked about subdivision rules, 19 ETJ, and long range planning, and a lot of other things, 20 and good meeting. I think he's very much wants the 21 County engaged in a lot of activities, and to me it was 22 very positive, and subdivision rules, and ETJ issue will 23 be moving along pretty quickly, I think. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I've had heard a lot of good 25 reports about him, too. Anybody else, anything? 99 1 All right, that looks like that completes 2 the agenda today except for a closed session, and we're 3 going to go into closed session now. 4 (Executive Session.) 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, back in open 6 session now, and I don't think there are any motions 7 needed, or is that correct? 8 MRS. STEBBINS: That's correct. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further business for the 10 Commissioners' Court today? 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, at two o'clock. 12 We need to recess until two o'clock. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, then we'll recess 14 until two o'clock this afternoon and address at that 15 time item 1.20 on the agenda. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then a workshop. 17 (2 p.m. Commissioners' Court Resumed.) 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's 1 p.m. -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 2 p.m. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: 1:02 p.m. on June the 12th, 21 2017. We got one item 1.20 on the morning's agenda that 22 we need to take care of. I'm sorry, it's 2:02 p.m. and 23 this one was a scheduled timed item at 2 p.m. 1.20 24 consider, discuss and take appropriate action regarding 25 the Paws and Pals Dog Care Training Program. Ray 100 1 Garcia, would you approach, please. Thank you, go 2 ahead. 3 MR. GARCIA: Good afternoon, Judge, 4 Commissioners. About 8 months ago Jason Davis contacted 5 me asking me about a possible program to bring animals 6 or an animal to the Detention Center to have some 7 interaction with the inmates there. About 8 months ago, 8 like I said. So we did some research and started doing 9 some program planning. The objective of the program is 10 to introduce the inmates allowing interaction with the 11 animal, allowing the automatic bond between human and 12 dogs that has been around for centuries. With this 13 ancient bond inmates unknowingly put their permanent 14 space to the dog and receive the oldest known 15 therapeutic lessons with the basic contact. The animal 16 control office will supervise a visit and provide 17 instruction on animal control via the Animal Control 18 State Certified Handbook, which will include medical 19 needs and various other requirements for responsible pet 20 ownership. 21 The inmate will receive training through the 22 animal while receiving unconditional love and friendship 23 from the animal. With a dog training interaction 24 program, common scenario is that the dog is able in a 25 way to rescue two people. This program -- I talked to 101 1 Jason Davis. Jason, if you would, please, a couple of 2 things, the animal does something that you or I can't 3 do, and it's hard to do with folks in those situations 4 is that that animal breaks down that wall. We can be 5 there, we can try to facilitate to institutionalize 6 programs that bond between the animal and that inmate, 7 but in this scenario, in this program, the dog would be 8 doing the work for us. While the Animal Control Officer 9 is there unbeknownst to that inmate he'll be getting 10 some training on top of that, some training that would 11 help their skills if they in fact chose to do something 12 with animals after they left there. It would provide 13 some marketable skill for the kids and do a few things 14 like Jason and I spoke about, and one of the main goals 15 that Jason had when we spoke was that this was going to 16 help those kids identify with empathy, and I'm going to 17 let Jason speak a little bit on that. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, Ray, this is just 19 for juveniles, it's not for -- 20 MR. GARCIA: Yes, just juveniles. 21 MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Ray, I'll be brief. 22 The idea is at least on the Juvenile Detention side, as 23 the Court is aware, we are not a treatment facility; 24 we're a pre-adjudication facility or lower facility, we 25 don't provide services such as rehabilitation or 102 1 treatment; however, this is an opportunity I think we 2 had that would be of no significant cost to the 3 taxpayers. What we could, at least for the short time 4 that we have the kids, that might be for a couple days 5 and sometimes for a few weeks. And we've had a couple 6 of kids in there for over a year now. Tried to form a 7 relationship, because again as we go with all juvenile 8 services, you know, programs don't save kids; 9 relationships do. 10 And spoken with Ray about this, he's very 11 supportive. We would ask for this Courts' support in 12 moving forward with this program and instituting it. 13 The kids that come in the building lack in empathy, they 14 lack any function beyond self at times, they lack 15 confidence. We think trying to form this relationship 16 would help the child in many areas, and I'm very excited 17 about the opportunity and appreciate any questions. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You said no 19 significant cost to taxpayers. Considering why we're 20 here today -- 21 MR. DAVIS: I know. That's why I was 22 heading back, Commissioner. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Any cost, Mr. Davis? 24 MR. DAVIS: There's none on our side, 25 because our staff and kids are already there. The only 103 1 thing is we'll be using County resources for Director 2 Garcia's staff to come over to our office, so we're 3 looking at about an hour a week of County-allotted time 4 while they are on payroll to come over there, there 5 would be no additional expenses that I'm aware of. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do you concur, Ray? 7 MR. GARCIA: Yes. One of the things that I 8 read over here was that there was this program kind of 9 helped, it takes care of three things. First of all, 10 you know the objective of helping those kids and that 11 animal breaking down those barriers, it helps those kids 12 and it helps the officer as well. As Animal Control 13 Officer when they're out there the negative impact to 14 those guys is significant. They are commonly looked at 15 as the bad guy out there, or bad person, because we do 16 have both women and men out there. That officer gets a 17 chance also to do something good on the other end here. 18 It's a 45 minute, hour, they'll go in, they'll supervise 19 the visit, and they'll train, provide training with the 20 animals, and give these kids a chance to understand the 21 second chance for this animal that they're taking in 22 that comes from a shelter that somebody has, you know, 23 failed to give another chance to, so there's a lot of 24 good things in this and the Animal Control Officer gets 25 help as well. Because again, remember when he's out 104 1 there, I mean when Animal Control's out there every week 2 they're having to euthanize animals every week, so this 3 is a positive thing for those guys. So it helps more 4 than just the kid, it helps the Animal Control Officer 5 as well, gives them a positive impact. 6 And it's 45 minutes and it's every Tuesday, 7 and one officer will get to go at the end of the day, 8 maybe anywhere 3 to 5:00, so we're looking at maybe 4 to 9 5:00 before that officer's shift is over, and spend that 10 45 minutes with that child or those kids in there. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sounds like a great 12 program. Ray, anything else? 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further questions or 14 comments? 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: What do they actually 16 do, Ray, they sit and pet the dog or what do they do? 17 MR. GARCIA: We'll bring the dog in, the 18 Animal Control Officer will start talking while they're 19 petting the dog and will let the kids give commands to 20 it. And most of you, I think everybody met Nelson, 21 Nelson's going to be -- he's the ambassador to go over 22 there. Nelson already has the commands and he's set and 23 he's ready to go. So while the kids are working with 24 the dog and giving him commands, and so forth, the 25 Animal Control Officer will be giving instructions 105 1 through his Animal Control Book. It's not going to be 2 an institutionalized -- it's not going to be set up in 3 the way we're going to have books there, and what we're 4 trying to do is get away from that, but the instruction 5 will come from that, and that way the kid doesn't think 6 okay, here we go again, it's something that that type of 7 institutionalized training; although, they need that. 8 This way we're using the dog, you know, that animal to 9 break that barrier down. Plus the Animal Control 10 Officer will be going through his lesson book each stage 11 at a time showing that child or that person just how 12 much responsibility it takes to take care of their 13 animal, and what it all entails. Again, from the 14 beginning to the end, and the lifelong commitment for 15 that animal. And like Jason said it will also foster 16 empathy so the kids can see that. There's a lot more 17 than just me, me, me, there's responsibility out there, 18 so the training that they'll get they'll be able to 19 utilize that when they get out unbeknownst to them. 20 They'll be covered from A to Z. Just like I said from 21 the medical needs of that animal to things that they 22 have to deal with, you know, when they come out to the 23 public and you want to get a dog and so you'll know all 24 these things. Then the program also would lead those 25 kids to be able to think about hey, it's not just dogs 106 1 that you want to work with, rescue facilities, want to 2 be a groomer, you want to be a vet tech when you get 3 out. It's just exponential, it goes on and on and on. 4 There's a lot a lot of things that the kids would get 5 from this. From the beginning it's just the basics when 6 we start this. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How do you measure 8 success or the program is working?. 9 MR. GARCIA: I think one of the things that 10 I talked to my Animal Control Officers about is that 11 when they engage with the kids, when the interaction 12 with the kids when they start and they come back, and 13 they do their first beta test, if you will, this will -- 14 the officer can gauge it by the way the kids are 15 interacting. And again, some of the things that the 16 instruction he's providing. Talk to the kids after your 17 instruction and just see just a little bit, just to see 18 what they retained off of that first interaction, you 19 know, ask a couple questions of what you talked about in 20 that first chapter. So when we gauge the initial beta 21 test, if you will, that'll be based off what the officer 22 comes back and reports. Say, yeah, you know they were 23 listening, you know, it's going to be a small class. 24 The number we're going to try to minimize the amount of 25 kids in there so that we can have more of a one-on-one 107 1 with those kids. So that initial gauge is going to be 2 that and just what the officer comes back with and the 3 interaction was with those kids. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Jason, how will you 5 determine which juveniles are selected? 6 MR. DAVIS: Great question. Numerous 7 factors, population of the facility, we found on the 8 probation side that we can only effectively really work 9 with about one staff member every 12 kids, that's kind 10 of the breaking point. This being an institutional 11 setting we're going to have to shrink that number down. 12 So ideally the class size would not go over 12. We will 13 have one J.D.C. staff member in there and then one 14 program member from Ray's staff come over. I just lost 15 the question, I apologize, can you repeat it? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How will you 17 determine -- 18 MR. DAVIS: First of all on the population. 19 Secondly, it would be based on reward system. We have a 20 reward system on a scale from one to five. One being 21 the lowest, five being the highest. If we're in a 22 situation where all the children in the facility were at 23 a high enough level, then all children participate; 24 however, if we have a child for instance that's on room 25 restrictions for safety reasons that child would not be 108 1 able to, because they can't interact with the other 2 children anyway. Other than that, as the population of 3 the facility goes up we can change it. Okay, now all -- 4 you know, we can say level two through five can 5 participate. As we have more levels, more kids in the 6 building, we can restrict it to levels three through 7 five, and etc., based on facilities, but keeping the 8 class size not above 12. We really can't effectively 9 work with anymore than that at one time. And it 10 definitely is a huge reward. Right now as the Court's 11 aware we have Art 2 Heart coming in. That's a big -- I 12 mean the biggest incentive these kids have is when they 13 come back before the Judge they don't want to be 14 detained. The second biggest incentive right now is Art 15 2 Heart. This program will be a huge incentive for the 16 positive behavior for our kids, based on what I've seen 17 with other programs. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So Ray, you'll send 19 your officers one time a week? 20 MR. GARCIA: One officer one time a week on 21 Tuesdays. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One officer one time a 23 week for one hour, that's it? 24 MR. GARCIA: One hour. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this takes Court 109 1 action to authorize? Heather, this takes Court action 2 to authorize, or is this just information? 3 MRS. STEBBINS: I think it would be helpful 4 to have authorization for the two departments to work 5 together and to direct Ray's staff to go over to the 6 Juvenile Detention Facility and where they aren't 7 usually stationed to do this program. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there a motion? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move for approval. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 12 Moser and seconded by Commissioner Reeves for approval 13 of item 1.20 on the agenda of this date, that agenda 14 item being consider, discuss and take appropriate action 15 regarding the Paws and Pals Dog Care Training Program. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think that is 17 sufficient; we need to explain what we're doing. That's 18 why I passed on making the motion. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What the Judge just 21 said. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. For the Juvenile 23 Detention Facility. What do you want to delineate, how 24 often they go? 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Say one hour a week by -- 110 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I didn't want to get 2 into that. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why is the -- okay, I'll 4 quit. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Why don't we try this. 6 Just to authorize that Mr. Davis's Department and 7 Mr. Garcia's Departments work together with Paws and 8 Pals Dog Care Training Program, that the schedule that 9 they deem appropriate, to be held at Mr. Davis's 10 facility, and for both gentlemen to report back to us in 11 90 days to give us an update on the program. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sounds perfect. I 13 amend my -- 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That was my second. 15 Was that your motion? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, that's it. Let's 17 see, we went from do we need something to specify in 18 detail, okay. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. You accept the 20 change to the motion? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Absolutely. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: The second accept the change 23 to the motion? 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That was his motion. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, since there's no 111 1 further discussion, all in favor of the motion signify 2 by raising your right hand. It's four zero, unanimous. 3 Thank y'all, thank you very much. Let's move on to the 4 afternoon budget workshop session. 5 * * * * * * 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 112 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County Commissioners' Court, do 6 hereby certify that the above and foregoing pages 7 contain and comprise a true and correct transcription of 8 the proceedings had in the above-entitled Commissioners' 9 Court. 10 Dated this the 25th day of June, A.D. 2017. 11 12 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 No. 953 Expiration Date 12/31/2018 14 * * * * * * 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25