1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, September 25, 2017 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3. 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Commissioners' Comments. 8 4 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 10 action to approve and authorize County 5 Judge to sign License Agreement with the Cailloux Foundation for seasonal 6 courthouse lighting. 7 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 13 action regarding revisions to court order 8 #36326 related to the Kerr County Employee Handbook. Revise language specific to the 9 Kerr County 2A-4 Longevity-Merit and Education Pay Increase Policy on page 38 10 of said handbook. 11 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 14 action to approve Resolution authorizing 12 the filing of a grant application with the Alamo Area Council of Governments (AACOG) 13 for the Regional Solid Waste Program Grant. 14 1.4 Public Hearing regarding changing existing 21 "Yield" sign to a "Stop" sign at the 15 intersection of McDonald Loop N. and Stapp Ln. N. 16 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 21 17 action regarding an Interlocal Agreement between Kerr County and the City of Ingram 18 for Regulation of Subdivisions within the City of Ingram's Extraterritorial 19 Jurisdiction (ETJ) and allow County Judge to sign same. 20 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 21 action for the Court's final approval regarding changing existing "Yield" sign 22 to a "Stop" sign at the intersection of McDonald Loop N. and Stapp Ln. N. 23 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 26 24 action for the Court to set a public hearing for 9:05 a.m. on November 13, 2017 for the 25 revision of plat for Tract 62 of Wood Trails Ranch, Volume 4, Page 98, Pct. 4. 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 28 action for the Court to set a public 4 hearing for 9:10 a.m. on November 13, 2017 for the revision of plat for Tracts 5 410 and 411 of Guadalupe Ranch Estates, Section 4, Volume 4, page 120. 6 1.9 Public Hearing regarding changing existing 29 7 "Yield" sign to a "Stop" sign at the intersection of Stoneleigh Road N. and 8 Stoney Hill Rd. N. 9 1.10 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 30 action for the Court's final approval 10 regarding changing existing "Yield" sign to a "Stop" sign at the intersection of 11 Stoneleigh Rd. N. and Stoney Hill Rd. N. 12 1.11 Public Hearing regarding posting 30 MPH 31 speed limit signs on Riverside Dr. E. 13 1.12 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 32 14 action for the Court's final approval regarding posting 30 MPH Speed Limit 15 signs on Riverside Dr. E. 16 1.13 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 34 action regarding modifications to the 17 Interlocal Cooperation Act Agreement between Kerr County and the County of 18 San Patricio for short-term sheltering during an evacuation. 19 1.14 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 38 20 action to approve updated "Local Emergency Planning Committee Membership Update Form." 21 1.18 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 41 22 actions to approve 2018 Sheriff's and Constables' Fees. 23 1.16 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 42 24 action on requests from appointed and elected officials to appoint clerks and 25 assistants for their offices pursuant to Local Government Code Chapter 151. 4 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.15 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 44 action on A1101 TxCDBG Contract 4 Amendment/Modification Request, Texas Department of Agriculture for Texas 5 Community Development Block Grant Project 7215045. 6 1.19 Public Hearing on proposed Kerr County 45 7 Budget for FY 2017-2018. 8 1.17 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 45 action to renew TAC Risk Management Pool's 9 Workers' Compensation Program for 2018 and have County Judge sign same. 10 1.20 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 46 11 action regarding any changes to the proposed Kerr County Budget for FY 2017-2018. 12 1.21 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 61 13 action to set the salaries, expenses and other allowances of the Elected Officials 14 as published on August 18, 2017 in the Kerrville Daily Times. 15 1.22 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 67 16 action to adopt FY 2017-2018 Kerr County Budget and take a record vote. 17 1.23 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 96 18 action to ratify the property tax increase as reflected in the budget and take a 19 record vote. 20 1.24 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 99 action to take a record vote on the 2017 21 Kerr County tax rate. This will be the combined tax rate for Kerr County and 22 Lateral Roads. 23 1.26 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 104 action to approve setting the cost for a 24 copy of the FY 2017/18 Kerr County Budget. 25 5 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.30 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 107 action to approve contract with Ubeo 4 Business Services for a copier for Justice of the Peace Office, Precinct 3, and allow 5 County Judge to sign same. 6 1.25 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 108 action to adopt the 2017 Lake Ingram 7 Estates Road District tax rate. 8 1.31 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 109 action on approval of new copier lease 9 for the Human Resources Department and have county Judge sign the same. 10 1.32 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 110 11 action to authorize the County Judge to sign the Ubeo Rental Agreement for the 12 Sheriff's Office. 13 1.33 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 114 action to approve/renew contract with 14 Ubeo Business Services for 2 copiers in the County Clerk's Office and authorize 15 County Judge to sign same. 16 1.27 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 115 action to approve Kerr County Investment 17 Policy (TX Government Code 2256.005(e)) and Broker/Dealer List for Kerr County's 18 Investment Policy in accordance with the Public Funds Investment Act (TX Government 19 Code 2256.005(k)). Changes to the investment policy include: (1) revised wording in 20 the 1st paragraph on page 7 that applies to Delivery vs. Payment. 21 1.28 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 117 22 action to accept a $1,500 contribution for the Rotary Club of Kerrville to share 23 in the costs of the addition of 50 amp circuits at the Show Barn. The total cost 24 incurred by Kerr County was $18,000. 25 6 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.29 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 118 action to approve Amendment No. 2 to the 4 Salary Contribution Agreement between Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Services 5 and Kerr County. 6 1.34 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 119 action to set December 22, 2017 as the 7 date for the Kerr County Christmas party. 8 1.35 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 119 action to change payroll timesheet due 9 date from December 22, 2017 to December 21, 2017 due to the Kerr County Christmas party. 10 1.36 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 123 11 action to change the December 27, 2017 Commissioners' Court meeting date to 12 December 28, 2017. 13 1.40 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 123 action to designate a day of the week on 14 which the Court shall convene in a regular term for FY 17/18. 15 1.38 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 129 16 action regarding the nomination of a member of the appraisal District Board. 17 1.39 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 129 18 action on approval of new copier lease for the Justice of the Peace Office, 19 Precinct 1, and allow County Judge sign the same. 20 1.41 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 130 21 action on request from the American Red Cross to park their Emergency Response 22 Vehicle in the courthouse parking lot for one week while the roof on their building 23 is being repaired. 24 25 7 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.42 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 132 action on request from Hill Country Crisis 4 Council to put purple bows on the large trees on the courthouse grounds from 5 October 1, 2017 - October 31, 2017 for Domestic Violence Awareness Month. 6 4.1 Pay bills. 133 7 4.2 Budget Amendments. 133 8 4.3 Late Bills. 133 9 4.4 Approve and accept Monthly Reports. 134 10 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison 134 11 Committee Assignments as per attachment. 12 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department 134 Heads. 13 5.3 Reports from Boards, Commissions and 135 14 Committees. a). City/County Joint Projects or 15 Operations Reports b). Other 16 1.45 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 135 17 action regarding Kerrville Economic Development Corporation (KEDC). 18 1.46 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 153 19 action regarding personnel matters in Environmental Health and Animal Services 20 Department. 21 *** Adjournment. 154 22 *** Reporter's Certificate. 155 23 * * * * * * 24 25 8 1 JUDGE POLLARD: It is September the 25th, 2 2017. It's 9 a.m. and the Kerr County Commissioners' 3 Court is in session. Please join me in prayer and then 4 we'll do the Pledge of Allegiance as well. 5 (Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, now we get to 7 this part of the agenda where it has to do with people 8 who want to speak on something that is not on the 9 agenda, and I emphasize not on the agenda. If you wish 10 to speak on something like that then please step forward 11 to the podium, identify yourself by name and address, 12 and please try to limit yourself to comments to three 13 minutes. Is there anyone? Thank you. 14 I noted your's, Mr. Jackson, but your's is 15 on an agenda item. 16 MR. JACKSON: Yes. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: There being none, we now go 18 to that part of the agenda for Commissioners and County 19 Judge may use this time to recognize achievements or 20 persons in their Precinct or to make comments on matters 21 not listed on the regular agenda. We'll start with Mr. 22 Belew, Precinct 1. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm proud to announce 24 that we had about 30 seconds of rain yesterday. I was 25 proud to get it. And so I think it rained a little more 9 1 in Precinct 1 than the other areas as it usually does. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: The Good Lord favors 3 Precinct 1, is that what you're saying? 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: My mother always taught 6 me you're supposed to share. So if you got 30 seconds, 7 we appreciate it. I notice nobody took a knee during 8 the Pledge of Allegiance, I think that was very good. 9 And County Attorney's looking at me here. 10 MRS. STEBBINS: I knew that one of you would 11 say something. I appreciate it very much. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You knew it would 13 probably me too, and I did. Let's see, one thing I 14 mentioned last Court session Ed Higgins, a former County 15 Commissioner, his funeral was the other day. Something 16 I didn't realize, he flew 35 bombing missions during 17 World War II -- 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- in addition to 20 flying 57 different aircraft. He would go into 21 different Air Force bases and offer -- they'd offer him 22 to be a guest pilot. He said no, you know, I'm not 23 going to be a guest pilot, I want to fly the aircraft on 24 my own, I'll take the training. I mean what a guy. And 25 then he did rocketry stuff for the Air Force. So just a 10 1 real, real big person in our community. That's all I 2 have. Thanks. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't have anything. Do 4 you have anything, Mr. Letz? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Quickly. I'll let Mr. 6 Reeves go into a little bit more detail. But a great 7 fund raiser for the stock show association. Saturday 8 night, and yesterday evening, there was a great band out 9 at Cypress Creek Community for that local community. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Just follow-up on your 11 statement, very successful fundraiser that'll benefit 12 the scholarship fund and the kids in 4-H and FFA. Still 13 trying to get the totals, but it looks like in the mid 14 90's, maybe a little bit more than that, 90 thousand 15 profit, and a very packed exhibit hall at the Kerr 16 County Youth Event Center. And a very good event for 17 everybody. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Very good. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And Mr. Belew, I 20 adjoin Precinct 1 so if you could share to the west, I 21 would appreciate it. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. We'll go to item 1.1 23 on the regular agenda. Consider, discuss and take 24 appropriate action to approve and authorize the County 25 Judge to sign a license agreement with the Cailloux 11 1 Foundation for seasonal courthouse lighting. 2 Mr. Jackson. 3 MR. JACKSON: Judge, Commissioners, I'm just 4 here to support the proposition on behalf of the 5 foundation and appreciate your consideration. If you 6 have any questions, I'd be happy to answer. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't have any. 8 MR. JACKSON: The County Attorney and I have 9 reached an agreement on the form of the document. 10 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, that's correct. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is there any criteria 12 or guidelines of what will be displayed? 13 MR. JACKSON: There will be, and I think 14 they exist. They're not in the agreement. We'd be 15 happy to furnish that. 16 MRS. STEBBINS: We were provided at least in 17 the general form in the request for the meeting a couple 18 of weeks ago, there was a general idea of what they'll 19 be -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's just primarily 21 lighting and -- 22 MR. JACKSON: That's correct. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Similar to the past 24 years? 25 MR. JACKSON: That's right. And it's 12 1 independent contractor's going to do the work. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. It's not 3 appropriate to have that in the agreement, in the 4 contract? 5 MRS. STEBBINS: No, I don't think so, it's 6 never been in any agreement in the past. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Good enough, 8 thank you. 9 MRS. STEBBINS: You're welcome. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there they further 11 question or comment? If not -- 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I look forward to 13 seeing it. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I said I look forward 16 to seeing it. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Motion to accept. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a motion? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He made a motion, I 22 seconded it. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it was made by 24 Mr. Moser? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 13 1 JUDGE POLLARD: And seconded by who, you? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: (Raising hand.) 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Man, I missed that. Okay. 4 All right, those in favor of the motion signify by 5 raising their right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 6 1.2 consider, discuss and take appropriate 7 action regarding provisions to court order 36326 related 8 to the Kerr County employee handbook revising the 9 language specific to Kerr County 2A-4 longevity-merit 10 and education pay increase policy on page 38 of said 11 handbook. Dawn Lantz. 12 MRS. LANTZ: Good morning, Commissioners, 13 good morning, Judge. This is just a little bit more 14 specific. It was approved at our last Commissioners' 15 Court, but there was a little bit of language that we 16 needed to clarify, because sometimes elected officials 17 are appointed instead of elected, so we needed to 18 clarify that in our policy because that would be the 19 time they came into office so we'd have that clear 20 boundary on our position schedule. And the Auditor and 21 I talked about it, and I also sent Heather a copy of it. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's the only 23 change? 24 MRS. LANTZ: Yes, Sir. Just the language 25 for the one year. 14 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Move for 2 approval. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 5 Moser and seconded by Commissioner Letz, this time I 6 heard him, for approval of item 1.2. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, it was actually 8 me. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I was the one that 11 made the second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: I said it was to my left, 13 this is my bad ear. Okay. All right, seconded by 14 Commissioner Reeves to approve item 1.2 on the agenda. 15 And that is to approve the changes in the Kerr County 16 employee handbook, revised language specific to Kerr 17 County in item 2A-4 longevity merit and education pay 18 increase policy on page 38. This is a revision of Court 19 Order Number 36326. Is there any further comment or 20 question. If not, those in favor of the motion signify 21 by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 22 unanimous. Thank you. 23 1.3 consider discuss and take appropriate 24 action to approve Resolution authorizing the filing of a 25 grant application with the Alamo Council of Governments, 15 1 for the Regional Solid Waste Grant Program. Gumaro 2 Ramirez, and somebody else. 3 MR. GIVENS: Yes, Sir. Good morning, Judge. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's a lot taller. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: What's his name, the tall 6 one? 7 MR. GIVENS: Yes. I'm Reagan Givens, I'm 8 with Kerr County Environmental Health. We are wanting 9 to apply for the AACOG 2018-2019 Regional Solid Waste 10 Grant. We're hoping to get that grant for the purchase 11 of a second recycling trailer, in addition to the one 12 that we already have. We're hopeful that if we could 13 get that we might be able to make the recycling trailer 14 availability more constant to more people of the County, 15 because we know that right now it has to be moved from 16 precinct to precinct. We want to make that more 17 available to them. 18 They have a $158,573.00 available for 2018, 19 and they'll have another $158,573.00 available for 2019, 20 so if we don't get the funding for that grant, which is 21 a total of $19,311.48 for a recycling trailer that's 22 comparable to the one that we already have. If we don't 23 get that full grant, or any of it, this year it is 24 possible that we could get it next year. 25 We also have the possibility that money will 16 1 trickle down from how it's currently disbursed with the 2 City of San Antonio, Bexar County, rural areas, and then 3 you have the remaining funds. It dwindles down 4 considerably per the amounts that are available, but 5 we're hoping to apply for that and see if we can get 6 that funding. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to say that I 8 learned of this grant through the Board of Director's 9 meeting at AACOG, and they're looking for -- they have 10 all types of grants, but they are looking to do the 11 types that are ongoing. And I know the use of just one 12 trailer, I think in the long range, having two trailers 13 out there will be beneficial, because that's one of our 14 most popular items I think we've brought. Will be no 15 funds from the County to purchase the trailer, and they 16 have attended the workshop at AACOG looking into this as 17 well as considerable research on the cost, and where to 18 find it and everything else. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A couple questions on 20 the -- well number one that service is fantastic, I 21 think people are really using it, and I think that 22 Precinct 2 and 3 are Center Point so for a two-week 23 period. I know that that trailer fills up way before 24 one week before it's moved. And so you guys have been 25 moving it more frequently than once a week. 17 1 A couple of questions, number one that's a 2 compartmentalized trailer, and the City is not, or 3 Republic is not, separating recyclable material. It 4 seemed like you would save a lot of money if you did not 5 buy a trailer that's compartmentalized because they're 6 not using compartments anyway. Am I correct? 7 MR. RAMIREZ: All compartments are for -- 8 correct. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So therefore you 10 could -- it would be a lot less expensive, I think, and 11 perhaps even buy a larger trailer, and I know you guys 12 are like you said moving it more than once a week, so I 13 applaud you and Commissioner Reeves for finding this 14 money, but I think as we look at it, I wouldn't 15 necessarily just home in on duplicating what we have 16 because if you don't need the separator, you don't need 17 to add additional expense. 18 MR. GIVENS: Yes, Sir. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have kind of a little 20 bit of that. The thing is that this department isn't 21 the one that moves it; it's maintenance that moves it. 22 And is this going to increase their work load, because I 23 mean we're already asking them to do a the lot of things 24 that aren't maintenance, this being one of them. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 18 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And -- 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I foresee an increase, 3 but not a doubling of it, because as Commissioner Moser 4 said that when it's just in an area for one week a 5 month, and in Center Point, when it first gets there, 6 there's an increased amount, because you may empty it 7 two or three times in a week when it's there only one 8 week a month, but when it's there for an extended time, 9 I think the fill-up would not occur as often. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think it would 11 probably be less manpower. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I mean if you had two 13 trailers it will be some more time, more expense for 14 maintenance, but it certainly won't be double. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, right. Or if 16 you have a larger trailer, you might not have to move it 17 but once a week. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Might not have to. So 19 I think it's a simple agenda item though, that just to 20 authorize us to apply for the grant, and the Resolution 21 that's attached, and allow the Court to sign it so they 22 can apply for the grant. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: I have a question for the 24 County Attorney. Do you know of anything in the statute 25 that authorizes the County to be in this kind of 19 1 business? 2 MRS. STEBBINS: I -- I feel like we're 3 authorized by the Health and Safety Code, but maybe I'm 4 wrong, but I don't see a problem with us doing this. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't think there's 6 anything that prohibits us. 7 MRS. STEBBINS: No. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And that's the key. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: There are many of the 10 counties are statutory -- we have to have statutory 11 authority and so I'm raising the issue -- 12 MRS. STEBBINS: Okay. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: -- and I want to know if it 14 is under the Health and Safety Code, I'd like to know 15 where it's authorized, okay? 16 MRS. STEBBINS: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we go ahead -- 18 I'd like to approve this Resolution. If it's determined 19 that we can't do it, that's fine. But we're under a gun 20 with the grant. We can always say no we can't take the 21 money if we get it, but I'd like them to continue with 22 the grant, so therefore I make a motion to approve 23 applying for the grant and authorize the Court to sign 24 the Resolution as attached. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Contingent upon the County 20 1 Attorney confirms it. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Naturally. If they 3 say we can't do it then we can't get the money, but 4 let's at least continue with the grant. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Strongly second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved 9 by Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser 10 to authorize the grant application to the Alamo Area 11 Council -- with the Alamo Area Council of Governments, 12 for the Regional Solid Waste Program Grant for the 13 acquisition of a new recycling trailer, contingent upon 14 the County Attorney confirming it. 15 MRS. STEBBINS: If I can comment, I can't 16 imagine AACOG would provide such a grant to local 17 governments if they were prohibited from performing this 18 type of service. And in fact I think it's encouraged. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, maybe nobody's ever 20 raised the issue before. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Check it. 22 MR. GIVENS: Your Honor, AACOG actually 23 requires any applicant to provide notice under the Texas 24 Health and Safety Code, I don't have the exact number 25 with me right now, to anybody in the area, any business 21 1 that provides that service, we are required to notify 2 them. They're given an opportunity to raise any 3 concerns with us, we're required to note any concerns 4 that they have, so that AACOG if they need to they can 5 contact them. There is sections of this grant 6 application where they do want us to note any concerns 7 or comments made by any entity that provides a service 8 that we are wanting to provide as well. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further 10 comments or questions about the motion? If not, those 11 in favor signify by raising your right hands. It's four 12 zero, unanimous. Thank you, gentlemen. 13 Item 1.4, this is a public hearing regarding 14 changing the existing yield sign to a stop sign at the 15 intersection of McDonald Loop North and Stapp Lane North 16 in Precinct Number 2. Is there anyone wishing to speak 17 on this in this public hearing? There being none, I 18 declare the public hearing be closed, and we go to item 19 1.5 consider, discuss and take appropriate action 20 regarding an Interlocal Agreement between Kerr County 21 and the City of Ingram for Regulation of Subdivisions 22 within the City of Ingram's extraterritorial 23 jurisdiction, and allow the County Judge to sign same. 24 Mr. Hastings. 25 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. This is a 22 1 revision to an Interlocal -- existing Interlocal 2 Agreement between Kerr County and Ingram. It's good for 3 one year, and it automatically renews each year. The 4 main changes -- well, first of all, Commissioner Reeves, 5 myself, the Ingram City Manager, Mark Bosma, the County 6 Attorney Heather Stebbins, and Ingram City Attorney 7 Patrick O'Fiel, have all reviewed this. The attorneys 8 have agreed to the form and content as to the updated 9 Interlocal Agreement. And the main change that I'd like 10 to note would be under Section 3-A, County 11 responsibilities. The County shall not enforce its 12 subdivision regulations within the ETJ of the City, 13 accept when authorized by the City on a case by case 14 bases, or when the proposed roads of that subdivision 15 will be maintained by Kerr County. 16 And under City responsibilities section 4-A, 17 the City shall enforce its subdivision regulations 18 within its ETJ, except when the City, on a case by case 19 basis, authorizes the County to administer and enforce 20 County subdivision regulations, or when the proposed 21 roads will be maintained by Kerr County. 22 That's the main change in this Interlocal 23 Agreement, it cleans up some language that that was the 24 intent of the previous language, but it just didn't 25 quite get us there. 23 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Charlie, I'm not so sure 2 we can do this. The -- based on a conversation I had 3 with legal counsel of the Water Development Board any 4 lot under five acres, our rules which are State law, 5 will trump any municipal jurisdiction; therefore, the 6 ETJ of the City of Ingram and City of Kerrville, until I 7 hear otherwise from the State Attorney, our rules have 8 to apply. They can't -- they can't do their rules; our 9 rules take precedent. 10 Now, if it's over five acres in size, their 11 rules are fine. And I mentioned this to County 12 Attorney, I don't know if she's had time to look into it 13 yet, but this is a fairly recent meeting I had with the 14 Water Development Board attorney. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So, Jonathan, are you 16 saying that they have to change the rules from here 17 forward, do you have to grandfather in old lots? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, except that there 19 are conditions in the rules relating to the number of 20 residences that can be on a lot, and those aren't 21 grandfathered. I mean if they're there they are, but 22 you can't add a new one just because it's an old lot, 23 doesn't mean you can add additional residences. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But you can grandfather 25 anything in existence. 24 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right, sure. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Then I'm suggesting we 3 take no action on this until we can get some further 4 legal -- 5 MRS. STEBBINS: And it may be that we can 6 agree to this type of -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 8 MRS. STEBBINS: -- this type of enforcement. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Would this trumping 11 situation from the State do away with this consent from 12 the City of Ingram if necessary before? 13 MRS. STEBBINS: We may be able to agree to 14 the consent. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I mean it's only -- 16 you know, and there's -- the model subdivision rules 17 don't address all our issues in our subdivision rules; 18 they only address certain issues related to it, and 19 those are the ones that the State says that their rules 20 will have to be followed. They're like road standards, 21 for example, and they're not included in that section of 22 our subdivision rules. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So I would suggest 24 until we can get some legal clarification we pass it. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Pass. 25 1 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it's a good idea to 2 pass it. Y'all agree? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Uh-huh. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I agree. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: We move on to 1.6 consider, 6 discuss and take appropriate action for the Court's 7 final approval regarding changing existing yield sign to 8 a stop sign at the intersection of McDonald Loop North 9 and Stapp Lane North in Precinct 2. Kelly Hoffer. 10 MS. HOFFER: The County Engineer Charlie 11 Hastings and I drove the intersections of Stoneleigh 12 Road North to look for traffic inconsistencies in 13 comparison to the intersection of Stoneleigh Road North 14 and McDonald Loop North. 15 We found that at the intersection of 16 McDonald Loop North and Stapp Lane North there was a 17 yield sign. Charlie found that this intersection should 18 have a stop sign instead of the existing yield sign. 19 This is not limited, just to clarify, in 20 this area, because I know Commissioner Moser has asked 21 us to look at other's, which we are, but we're starting 22 on this particular road. 23 But at this time I ask the Court for the 24 final approval regarding changing the existing yield 25 sign to a stop sign at the intersection of McDonald Loop 26 1 North and Stapp Lane in Precinct 2. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 5 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Belew in regard to item 6 1.6 on the agenda, and that is to approve the changing 7 of the existing yield sign to a stop sign at the 8 intersection of McDonald Loop North and Stapp Lane North 9 in Precinct 2. Is there any further comment or 10 discussion? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. But thank you for 12 the uniformity action. 13 MS. HOFFER: We'll get there. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 15 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 16 unanimous. 17 MS. HOFFER: Thank you. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Kelly. 19 1.7 consider, discuss and take appropriate 20 action for the Court to set a public hearing for 9:05 21 a.m. on November 13th, 2017 for the revision of plat for 22 Tract 62 of Wood Trails Ranch of record in Volume 4, 23 page 98 of the plat records of Kerr County, Texas, 24 situated in Precinct 4. Mr. Hastings. 25 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. The owner of 7.01 27 1 acre tract of land previously developed in a named 2 subdivision proposes to divide that lot into two lots, 3 the smallest lot size would be one and a half acres, our 4 minimum lot size for this scenario would be one acre, so 5 it's bigger than the minimum lot size. It will be on a 6 public water system, OSSF, sewer. It's out of the 7 floodplain, there's no proposed roads, the roads are 8 already existing. They meet the minimum 150 foot 9 frontage on the road for both lots. The tract will be 10 turned into 62-A would be 5.51 acres, and 62-B would be 11 1. -- 5.51 acres and 1.5 acres are the two acreages. 12 County engineer requests the Court set a public hearing 13 for 9:05 a.m. on November 13, 2017 for the revision of 14 plat for tract 62 of Wood Trails Ranch, Volume 4, page 15 98, Precinct 4. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So move. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 19 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Letz to set a public 20 hearing for 9:10(sic) a.m. on November 13, 2017 for the 21 revision of the plat for tracts 410 and 411 of -- I'm 22 reading the wrong one. It's set at the 9:05 a.m. on 23 November 13, 2017 for the revision of the plat for tract 24 62 of Wood Trails Ranch, Volume 4, Page 98 of the plat 25 records of Kerr County, situated in Precinct 4. Is 28 1 there any further comment or discussion? There being 2 none, those in favor signify by raising your right 3 hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 4 Now we go to 1.8 consider, discuss and take 5 appropriate action for the Court to set a public hearing 6 for 9:10 a.m. on November 13th, 2017 for the revision of 7 the plat for tracts 410 and 411 of Guadalupe Ranch 8 Estates, Section 4 in Volume 4, Page 120 of the Plat 9 Records of Kerr County, Texas situated in Precinct 4. 10 Mr. Hastings. 11 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. The owner of 12 tracts 410 and 411 of Guadalupe Ranch Estates, Section 13 4, it's a total of 11.76 acres, wishes to resubdivide 14 and move lot lines so that it still have two lots. The 15 smallest lot size would be 5.01 acres, which is greater 16 than the minimum, it needs to be greater than five 17 acres, so it meets that. They will be on private wells, 18 OSSF for the sewer, they're out of the floodplain, 19 there's no proposed roads, all the roads are existing 20 out there, and they have got the minimum lot frontage of 21 150 foot. Tract 411-A would be 6.75 acres, and tract 22 411-B would be 5.01 acres. 23 The County Engineer requests the Court to 24 set a public hearing for 9:10 a.m. on November 13th, 25 2017 for the revision of plat for tracts 410 and 411 of 29 1 Guadalupe Ranch Estates, Volume 4, Page 120 in Precinct 2 4. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I make the motion. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, is there a second? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 7 Belew, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to set a public 8 hearing for 9:10 a.m. on November 13, 2017 for the 9 revision of the plat for tracts 410 and 411 of Guadalupe 10 Ranch Estates, Section 4 of record in Volume 4, Page 120 11 of the Plat Records of Kerr County, Texas. This is 12 situated in Precinct 4. Is there any further comment or 13 discussion? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a comment, I'm not 15 sure I -- never seen so much information on a plat 16 before, but they put everything on here you can think 17 of. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't know how they 19 got it all on one sheet of paper. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Pretty thorough. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: If there's no further 22 comment or discussion those in favor of the motion 23 signify by raising their right hands. Four zero, 24 unanimous. 25 Item 1.9 public hearing regarding the 30 1 changing existing yield sign to a stop sign at the 2 intersection of Stoneleigh Road North and Stoney Hill 3 Road North, situated in Precinct 2. 4 I declare the public hearing open. Is there 5 anyone wishing to speak on this issue? There being 6 none, I declare the public hearing closed, and we go to 7 item 1.10 consider, discuss and take appropriate action 8 for the Court's final approval regarding changing 9 existing yield sign to a stop sign at the intersection 10 of Stoneleigh Road North and Stoney Hill Road North in 11 Precinct 2. Kelly Hoffer. 12 MS. HOFFER: This one is very similar to the 13 last one, a different location. Charlie and I drove the 14 intersection of Stoneleigh Road North to look for 15 traffic signage inconsistencies in comparison to the 16 intersection of Stoneleigh Road North and McDonald Loop 17 North. 18 We found that the intersection of Stoneleigh 19 Road North and Stoney Hill Road North there is a yield 20 sign. Charlie found that this intersection should have 21 a stop sign instead of the existing yield sign. 22 So at this time, I ask the Court for their 23 final approval regarding changing the existing yield 24 sign to a stop sign at the intersection of Stoneleigh 25 Road North and Stoney Hill Road North in Precinct 2. 31 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: You moved? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, I did. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It's been moved 7 by Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Letz in 8 regard to item 1.10 of the agenda today. That is to 9 approve the changing of existing yield sign to a stop 10 sign at the intersection of Stoneleigh Road North and 11 Stoney Hill Road North, situated in Precinct 2. Is 12 there any further comment or discussion? 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That must be right on 14 the border between the two of you. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Gotta be, yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Close. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, if there's no further 18 comment or discussion those in favor of the motion 19 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 20 unanimous. 21 1.11 public hearing regarding posting of a 22 30 mile per hour speed limit sign on Riverside Drive 23 East in Precinct 2. This is a public hearing. I 24 declare the public hearing open. Is there anyone 25 wishing to speak on this issue? Nobody interested in 32 1 the public hearings today. All right, there being none, 2 I declare the public hearing closed, and we go to item 3 1.12 on the agenda consider, discuss and take 4 appropriate action for the Court's final approval 5 regarding posting of a 30 mile per hour speed limit 6 signs on Riverside Drive East in Precinct 2. Kelly 7 Hoffer. 8 MS. HOFFER: The Road and Bridge Department 9 conducted a traffic study on Riverside Drive East. This 10 is behind the Kerr County Youth Exhibit Center. We did 11 the traffic study from 7-31-2017 to 8-7-2017. The count 12 showed an average daily count near Flat rock Park at 396 13 vehicles, and 226 vehicles near Highway 27 by the Swap 14 Shop area. 15 The City of Kerrville has their city limits 16 on this road. They already have two signs in either 17 direction posted 30 miles an hour. When we looked at 18 the 85th percentile, we did a couple different 19 locations, and judge off your 85th percentile. One of 20 them was 34 miles an hour, and that was the box near 21 Flat Rock Park showed 29 miles an hour, and the one 22 that's up by the Swap Shop showed the 34 mile an hour. 23 With that the recommendation from Charlie 24 was to post it at 30 mile an hour, so at this time, I 25 ask the Commissioners' Court for their final approval 33 1 regarding setting the speed limit on Riverside Drive 2 East at 30 miles an hour, and this is the section that 3 is county, like I said, the City of Kerrville already 4 has existing 30 mile an hour heading up towards the 5 Loop. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 9 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the 10 posting of a 30 mile per hour speed limit sign on 11 Riverside Drive East, situated in Precinct 2. Is there 12 any further comment or discussion? 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What is the current 14 speed limit? 15 MS. HOFFER: There is nothing on the County 16 side that's posted. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So technically -- 18 MS. HOFFER: Could be 55, could be. I think 19 a lot of people because of the city's posted miss the 20 the change in the maintenance, and you can see a 21 difference in the pavement, so I think probably a lot of 22 people assume, but technically since that portion of the 23 road is County and not City, probably could not be 24 ticketed for that, so -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It would be unsafe to 34 1 go much beyond 30 miles an hour on that road anyhow. 2 MS. HOFFER: I was glad to see what the 3 traffic counts showed, because it shows some consistency 4 on that road, and I believe 30 is a good speed. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Any further comment 6 or discussion? If not those in favor of the motion 7 signify by raising your right hands. It's four zero, 8 unanimous. Thank you. 9 MS. HOFFER: Thank you. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.13 consider, discuss 11 and take appropriate action regard regarding 12 modifications to the Interlocal Cooperation Act 13 Agreement between Kerr County and the County of San 14 Patricio for short-term sheltering during an evacuation. 15 Dub Thomas. 16 MR. THOMAS: Good morning, Judge, 17 Commissioners. What we wanted to do is formalize the 18 agreement between San Patricio and Kerr County. We took 19 out Tivy High School as a sheltering location. I felt 20 like that is an inappropriate place for a shelter, just 21 for the protection of the juveniles that are in that 22 school, so we went ahead and put in Eddington Gym at 23 Schreiner University. They've been more than willing to 24 want to cooperate and be a part of the County in our 25 response for this. So Eddington Gym's not being used, 35 1 so they've offered that as a facility for the point to 2 point agreement. 3 So basically what I wanted to do is just get 4 y'all's approval on that, and we could send it to San 5 Patricio County for their Commissioners' Court to 6 review. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have no problem with 8 that. I have a question for you. 9 MR. THOMAS: Yes, Sir. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was visiting with Mr. 11 Mabry at the Lions Camp, and they have an agreement with 12 Port Aransas, the City of Port Aransas, The same type of 13 agreement we have with San Patricio County. Do we have 14 any interaction, because they have a lot of facilities 15 out there to house people and do things, I mean they 16 obviously have an agreement with Port Aransas. Do we 17 have any interaction, or do you have any interaction 18 with them? 19 MR. THOMAS: Yes, Sir. As a matter of fact 20 when Hurricane Harvey came through Port Aransas actually 21 called me and -- well, Lions Camp called and said our 22 facility is available if you need it, and then about ten 23 minutes later I got a call from a Captain with the Port 24 Aransas Police Department wanting to send their folks up 25 here to the Lions Camp. The only thing I needed to do 36 1 was to request the Lions Camp officially open their 2 facility for them. We can use their facility, it's just 3 a matter of when it's available. If it's during the 4 summer, you know, when it's full of kids, of course it's 5 not available. But they did send -- they sent all their 6 fire department and police department units up here 7 prior to the Harvey's landfall, and they turned around 8 and sent them back as soon as it was gone, but -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was driving home that 10 evening, and I passed like 20 right in a row police cars 11 from Port Aransas. 12 MR. THOMAS: I got several calls about why 13 all the Port Aransas Police Department is at the Stripes 14 there on the Loop and 27, and I had no earthly idea they 15 were sending all their equipment here as well. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Anyway, I was just 17 curious, because I knew we were very involved with it, 18 but I never have heard of it at the meetings that I was 19 at anything to do with the Lions Camp, and I talked to 20 Mr. Mabry about it. 21 MR. THOMAS: And I talked to him during the 22 year, we have annual meetings for flood warning and 23 stuff prior to the camping season comes up, so we had 24 that conversation. Have that conversation every year. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good. 37 1 JUDGE POLLARD: If there are no further 2 comments or questions those in favor of the motion 3 signify by by raising your right hand. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We didn't make a 5 motion. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, make it. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, how do I make a 8 motion on what Dub just said? He's talking about 9 changing an agreement. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 11 modify the Interlocal Agreement with San Patricio County 12 as recommended by Dub Thomas. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, you make a motion and 14 Commissioner Belew second it. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'll second it. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, so moved by 17 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 18 approve changes in the Interlocal Cooperation Act 19 Agreement between Kerr County and the County of San 20 Patricio for the short-term sheltering during 21 evacuation. Is there any further comment or discussion? 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Has County Attorney 23 reviewed? 24 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 38 1 signify by raising their right hand. It's four zero, 2 unanimous. 3 1.14 consider, discuss and take appropriate 4 action to approve updated Local Emergency Planning 5 Committee, membership update form. Mr. Thomas. 6 MR. THOMAS: Yes, Sir. Back in 1986 the 7 U.S. Code Title 42 required state and local governments 8 to form LEPC's, which is local emergency planning 9 committees. Basically it was for dealing with chemical 10 spills, hazardous material spills. They pretty much 11 more -- anybody that's got an LEPC now is pretty much 12 into an all hazard committee. 13 So the one that we had for Kerr County, 14 Kerrville, City of Ingram, had not been updated since, I 15 believe, 2009 or 2010, so what I've done is the form 16 that you have I've gone through and updated the names 17 that have all changed in there, and added a few 18 basically because we have a multi-jurisdictional plan so 19 we still needed -- I felt like we needed Kerrville, Kerr 20 County, and the City of Ingram officials in there. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A couple of questions, 22 Dub. Mr. Poe, he's the health -- who is Mr. Poe? 23 MR. THOMAS: Daryle Poe? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 25 MR. THOMAS: He's with the City, I believe. 39 1 MRS. STEBBINS: Health Department at the 2 City. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Another thing is 4 you identified the papers, but you don't put anybody's 5 name in there. I recommend you put the Editor, 6 Publisher of the papers in there, just point of contacts 7 since they got the authority. And same way with the 8 radio, somebody to my immediate right might be the 9 person to identify, Commissioner Belew. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I doubt he'd be one to 11 identify on this one though. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, why not? 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Read the radio station 14 that it's listed as. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. Well, no. He 16 oughta be there for sure then. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I don't have it. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I thought it had your 19 radio station. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Which one is it? I 21 don't have what you're looking at. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me read it to you. 23 You got it there, Dub? 24 MR. THOMAS: No, Sir, I don't. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. I can get it 40 1 real quick. Oh, it's Ranch Radio, you're correct. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: KERV and KRVL are the 3 official EAS alert stations for the area. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So why don't we add 5 that? 6 MR. THOMAS: I can do that. KRVL and what 7 was the other one? 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: KERV. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And then one other 10 suggestion. I don't see any voluntary fire departments 11 identified in here. I recommend you either include the 12 voluntary fire department chiefs, or the Chief of 13 CARPA(phonetic), and that may be simpler than -- 14 MR. THOMAS: Be simpler just to have the 15 Chief of CARPA. All those fire department chiefs change 16 on an annual basis anyway. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: CARPA, okay. Thank 18 you, Dub. And I move for approval. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And I'll second. 20 MR. THOMAS: I'll get it updated and -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 22 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the 23 Local Emergency Planning Committee membership update 24 form as described by Dub Thomas in there just now. This 25 is in regard to item 1.14 on the agenda. Any further 41 1 comment or discussion? 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I take issue with one 3 thing, Mr. Thomas. I don't believe the chief changes 4 annually. You think they do, Sir? 5 MR. THOMAS: It may not be, but it seems 6 like it's changed annually the last couple of meetings 7 I've gone to. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Then I guess you 9 haven't been out west, so I take very much issue with 10 that, Sir. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, and on that subject 12 one other change. There was -- no, no, forget it. I 13 was thinking Danny Thomas as being the former Center 14 Point -- but that's -- that's the City. Never mind. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, no further 16 comments or questions, those in favor of the motion 17 signify by raising your right hands. It's four zero, 18 unanimous. 19 All right, let's go to item 1.18, which is a 20 timed item at 9:40 a.m. Consider, discuss and take 21 appropriate action to approve the 2018 Sheriff's and 22 Constables' fees. Miss Rebecca Bolin. 23 MRS. REBECCA BOLIN: Good morning. This is 24 something that I do annually that I submit to the 25 Secretary of State. There are no changes this year, and 42 1 I'm asking the Court to approve our fees as is. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Should we consider 3 increases? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Commissioner Moser, we 5 did a few years ago and we updated. We're pretty well 6 right in line, kind of the average, with all the other 7 counties in the state, and I think it's a good position 8 for us. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good enough. Thanks. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any other 11 comments or questions? If not, is there a motion? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move to accept as 13 presented. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved by 16 Commissioner Reeves, and seconded by Commissioner Letz 17 to approve the item that the Sheriff's and Constable 18 fees as presented in the agenda package in regard to 19 item 1.18 of the agenda. Is there any further comment 20 or discussion? There being none, those in favor signify 21 by raising your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 22 Not quite 9:45. We go back to 1.16. 23 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action on 24 requests from appointed and elected officials to appoint 25 clerks and assistants for their offices pursuant to the 43 1 Local Government Code Chapter 151. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Did we do 1.15? 3 MRS. STEBBINS: No. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 1.15 we skipped. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: 1. -- 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: 1.15 we didn't do. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, if you'll look in 8 your agenda package, you'll see that -- my agenda 9 package only has appointments for Diane Bolin, the Tax 10 Assessor's office. Is that the only ones we're 11 approving today? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I believe we approved 13 some other ones at a prior meeting, didn't we? 14 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move to accept the 16 appointments as submitted by Diane Bolin -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- for item 1.16. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, is there a 20 second? 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved by 23 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 24 approve the elected officials, Diane Bolin the Tax 25 Assessor, to appoint clerks and assistants as presented. 44 1 Is there any further comment or discussion? There being 2 none, those in favor signify by raising their right 3 hands. It's unanimous. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We need to do 1.15. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, I missed it. 1.15 6 consider, discuss and take appropriate action on A1101 7 TxCDBG contract amendment/modification request, Texas 8 Department of Agriculture for Texas Community 9 Development Block Grant Project 7215045, and that 10 affects Precincts 2 and 3. Katie Falgoust. 11 MS. FALGOUST: Good morning. So, this is 12 the first time sewer service connection grant that the 13 County received. The end date of the contract is 14 November 19th of 2017. This request is to extend the 15 grant by 12 months to November 19th of 2018, and this is 16 due to that the infrastructure is not complete to make 17 those connections and TDA requires extensions to be made 18 in 12 -- or we can only request up to 12 months, so this 19 is 12 months, and if more time is needed then we can 20 come back in another year to request some additional 21 time. The first connection probably won't go made until 22 June of 2018, so that's why we need at least a year 23 potentially more. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move for approval. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 45 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 2 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Letz in regard to item 3 1.15 of the agenda package to approve the contract 4 amendment on A1101, TxCDBG contract 5 amendment/modification request with the Texas Department 6 of Agriculture for the Texas Community Development Block 7 Grant Project 7215045. This affects Precincts 2 and 3. 8 Any further comment or discussion? There being none, 9 those in favor signify by raising their right hands. 10 It's unanimous. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Katie. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Katie. 13 All right, we got a timed item at 9:40, we 14 did 1.18. Now we do 1.19, this is a public hearing on 15 proposed Kerr County budget for fiscal year 2017 and 16 2018. I declare the public hearing open. Is there 17 anyone wishing to speak on this 04 issue? There being 18 none, I declare the public hearing closed and we'll 19 proceed to item 1.20. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Not quite. 21 MRS. DOSS: Not quite. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Not quite. We'll go back to 23 1.17 then. Consider, discuss and take appropriate 24 action to renew TAC Risk Management Pool's Worker's 25 Compensation Program for 2018 and have the County Judge 46 1 sign same. Dawn Lantz. 2 MRS. LANTZ: This is just renewing our 3 worker's comp with Texas Association of Counties. 4 Enclosed in the packet should be a questionnaire, and in 5 order to get renewal I have to submit our payroll into 6 them, and they already have our what expenditures we had 7 last year or this past year for our rates for 2018. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Any comment or question? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move for approval. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 12 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve the 13 Risk Management Pool Worker's Compensation Program for 14 2018, and authorize the County Judge to sign same. This 15 is in regard to item 1.17 of the agenda package. Is 16 there any further comment or discussion? There being 17 none, those in favor signify by raising your right 18 hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dawn, looks like a lot 20 of work putting that together. Thanks. 21 MRS. LANTZ: You're welcome. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 9:50 -- is it 23 9:50 yet? Item 1.20 on the agenda is consider, discuss 24 and take appropriate action regarding any changes to the 25 proposed Kerr County budget for the fiscal year 2017 and 47 1 2018. 2 I think we all have a copy of the budget 3 here. Are there any changes? 4 MRS. DOSS: I did present a list of changes. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It's a summary sheet. 6 MRS. DOSS: Yes. It should like look this. 7 Do you want me to go over each one? 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Are there any questions of 9 her? 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I didn't look at it 11 yet. Just got it this morning. 12 MRS. DOSS: Okay. Number 1 was a change 13 that we took out the one-time merit stipend per 14 Commissioner Moser at the last meeting he asked that we 15 we remove the 25 thousand dollars from the 17-18 budget. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Since it'll be in next 17 year's budget. 18 MRS. DOSS: Yes, Sir. But you asked that we 19 remove it, so that's number 1. Number 2 is -- let's 20 see, Commissioners' Court approve the contract for the 21 regional public defender capital case program on 22 8-28-2017, and that contract was increased to $6,236.00, 23 that's Number 2. Number 3 the 216th District Judge 24 awarded a three percent salary increase to the 216th 25 district court reporter on 8-25-2017, which was after we 48 1 had filed the proposed budget, so the associated cost 2 with that is $1,979.00 increase. And number 4 is we got 3 an updated position schedule on 9-18-2017. There was a 4 reorganization and transfer of an employee from another 5 Kerr County department to the tax office, and that 6 results in a decrease of a $164.00 to the Tax Assessor 7 Collector's Department. On 9-18-2017 because of the 8 updated position schedule three open positions were 9 filed in the Sheriff's Department and one employee had 10 left employment, and because of that it was a decrease 11 of $788.00 in the Sheriff's Department. Because of the 12 9-18-2017 updated position schedule there was an 13 $18,564.00 decrease in the juvenile probation 14 department, because originally a five percent increase 15 was included in the proposed budget, but on 8-16-2017 16 when the juvenile board met they adopted the one percent 17 COLA, which is what the County had adopted also. So 18 there was a reduction from five percent increase that 19 was originally put in the budget to the one percent 20 increase. 21 Number 7 for Juvenile Board meeting on 22 8-16-2017, we had had a vehicle proposed to be financed 23 for the Juvenile Probation Department from 2017-18. The 24 Board approved purchasing it out of the 16-17 budget, so 25 I'm removing it from the 17-18 budget, and that is a 49 1 reduction of $31,815.00. 2 Per 9-18-2017 position schedule, there was a 3 transfer of an employee to another Kerr County 4 department, and that reduced the animal service 5 department by $1,987.00. 6 Number 9 Road and Bridge Department, 7 9-18-2017 position schedule, two employees have left 8 employment so that is a reduction of $1,580.00. 9 Number 10, this is in the 198th District 10 Court. We had a courthouse security project that was 11 budgeted to be completed in 2016-17; however, they're 12 not going to get that completed this year, so I had to 13 rebudget the money in 17-18, and that will increase the 14 budget by 17 hundred dollars. 15 Number 11 Constable 3 has purchased a new 16 vehicle, which was budgeted in 2016-17, and we did 17 budget enough for the add-ons, the radio, lights, all 18 that other stuff; however, he's not going to be able to 19 finish that in the 16-17 budget, so I have to rebudget 20 the $3,514.00 in the 17-18 budget. 21 Number -- where am I at -- 12. This is an 22 Agriculture Extension Service. This is a reduction of 23 $3,092.00. This was an amount that we had estimated 24 originally, but Commissioners' Court approved the one 25 percent salary increase on 9-11-2017. The contract is 50 1 supposed to be approved today, so we had over estimated, 2 now we're taking it back down, the $3092.00. And that's 3 total net change in the budget of a reduction of 4 $69,561.00. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question. On the third 6 item -- 7 MRS. DOSS: Number three? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. Is the 216th 9 District Judge happen to give any information as to why 10 that one employee should get a higher increase than all 11 the other employees? 12 MRS. DOSS: No. It's in the Government Code 13 that they can set the Court Reporter's salary. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know he has authority 15 to, I was just interested in -- 16 MRS. DOSS: He didn't indicate, no. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I don't see -- 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Sheriff wants to speak. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Go ahead, Sheriff. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only question I 21 have is the one employee from the Sheriff's office that 22 left, and you changed, was that the SRO in Center Point? 23 MRS. DOSS: I don't know. I'd have to look 24 at the position schedule again. I can't answer you 25 right offhand. 51 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think that's what 2 that is. And that's an agreement that we have with the 3 Center Point Independent School District that when we 4 furnish a SRO they pay 75 percent, and we pay 25 5 percent. They go back on patrol in the summertime and 6 the holidays, but he works with them at the school the 7 other times. That position has been open for awhile, 8 because that officer retired that was doing it, and we 9 just haven't found one qualified to really go into that 10 position. It's one, like I said, the County only pays 11 25 percent. I may or may not get it filled this year. 12 I'd still like to have the opportunity. And we've been 13 discussing with Center Point and they're looking at some 14 other avenues if we don't. But I hate to take that 15 totally out. 16 MRS. DOSS: It's still on the position 17 schedule. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So they have nothing. 20 MRS. DOSS: I believe it was an investigator 21 that left, and that's why it dropped back down. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Oh, it just drops down 23 to the beginning. 24 MRS. DOSS: The Investigator that left had 25 longevity, and it goes back down. And we just take it 52 1 out. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I agree with that. 3 That's one of my long-term investigators retired. 4 MRS. DOSS: It was only $788.00. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: All right. I just 6 wanted to make sure what position that was. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question, Judge. We've 8 got four other items on related to the budget, and this 9 item is to take action regarding the changes to the 10 proposed budget. If there are other changes like tax 11 rate or something like that that's reflected in this 12 budget, do we do that the other agenda items or. 13 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- we do it here? 15 MRS. DOSS: No. You do the other agenda 16 items. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 18 MRS. DOSS: Unless there's some changes 19 right here that you don't accept. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're only talking 21 about these changes right here. 22 MRS. DOSS: Yes, sir. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: So what's appropriate at 24 this time is a motion to approve a part or all of these 25 proposed changes? 53 1 MRS. DOSS: Yes, Sir. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 4 MRS. DOSS: Do you want to approve all have 5 them, or part of them? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think there's some 7 other ones that we haven't got to yet that -- 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That aren't agenda 9 items. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But these are. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But this is 12 addressing -- this is agenda items just addressing this, 13 am I correct? 14 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Or the entire budget? 16 MRS. DOSS: These are changes to the entire 17 budget. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay. So -- 19 MRS. DOSS: It does not address tax revenue, 20 that would be something different. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm not -- I'm talking 22 about the budget, because I do believe that we will be 23 seeing a reduction on the management fee at the Event 24 Center, is that correct, Commissioner Letz? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 54 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We haven't got the 2 final contract, but I believe that number is $5000.00 -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- from the contract 5 fee. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we're working out 7 with their management right now revisions on an 8 amendment to that agreement. The only -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So another item on 10 here? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's not on this agenda, 12 it's not ready to come to the Court yet, that part, I 13 mean -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But we're going to 15 approve the budget today? 16 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 18 MRS. DOSS: So do you want me to add -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Not that budget. Well, 20 the budget in here. 21 MRS. DOSS: Do you want me to add an item 22 number 13? 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: In the Event Center's 24 budget? 25 MRS. DOSS: To reduce the Event Center 55 1 budget by $5000.00? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't see why the 3 Court's not going to go along with it. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is there a signed deal, 5 or how does it work? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's a deal in 7 negotiation. We have a proposal -- we're countering 8 their proposal. And then we'll bring it to the Court. 9 The main -- I mean the issue they're going to reduce 10 their fee, they're going to spend more money on 11 marketing the website. We are -- or we would then agree 12 also to let them execute the option early, so they'll 13 have another three years on that agreement. They're 14 going to spend some other money up front and we'd go 15 ahead with the -- it was a three plus two contract. 16 They want to exercise their two-year option early. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we could do this and 18 reduce it by another 5000. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: $5000.00. Because I 20 think that -- I mean the agreement -- 21 JUDGE POLLARD: So that's a proposed change 22 added to this. 23 MRS. DOSS: So number 13 then would be to 24 reduce the event center budget management fee by 25 $5000.00. 56 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 2 MRS. DOSS: And that means our COLA 3 reduction would be $74,561. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move with that 5 change. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I have got some 7 questions, please. I know this may be addressed to both 8 Road and Bridge and the Auditor, in negotiating on 9 selling that one piece of equipment, Kelly -- 10 MS. HOFFER: Yes, Sir. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Is that a deal, or is 12 that an unknown? 13 MS. HOFFER: Once Bandera's budget is 14 approved, which I believe it's today, but the Court has 15 approved for the sale of that. Cooper was offering us 16 50 thousand dollars for a trade-in. I networked with 17 John, the Road Administrator in Bandera, found out they 18 were using a 1984 chipspreader that was pretty dangerous 19 for some of the hills, and started talking to him about 20 our's, and negotiated with them to sell our's for 85 21 thousand, so I actually got 35 thousand dollars more for 22 that piece of equipment. So I believe it probably will 23 be, but I'll find out after they have court today if 24 they approve their budget. It'll be part of it, but 25 they want to buy it. It's just once the budget is 57 1 approved that's when it will happen, so once we get done 2 with our sealcoat, we will move the transaction through 3 the County Attorney, and get that sold. We've already 4 ordered our new one, and it should be in this December. 5 It's from Cooper. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And how is that 7 addressed in the budget? 8 MRS. DOSS: It's not addressed because the 9 sale has not been finalized. How it would be addressed 10 when it is finalized in the next fiscal year is when we 11 get the revenue, at that point we would set up -- I 12 would certify the new revenue to the Court like I 13 usually do with the budget amendment, and at that point 14 we would set up how the money could be spent. What we 15 would -- what we receive, then we would set up a budget. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We're waiting on 17 Bandera County, so the deal is like they're doing today 18 as we are, but it is a possibility of a 35 thousand 19 dollar benefit to the County. 20 MRS. DOSS: Yes. And that could be used to 21 reduce how much we would finance the equipment for, or 22 it could be used to purchase another piece of equipment. 23 It's up to the Court when revenue is actually certified. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And then I believe 25 also -- somewhere down on the agenda, but there's some 58 1 potential savings in environmental services and animal 2 control, but we've got this on executive committee -- or 3 executive session. So I guess my question is there's 40 4 thousand, 5000 for sure, potentially 35 thousand more in 5 benefit, for the lack of a better word, reduction in our 6 budget due to reduced expenses or additional income. 7 MRS. DOSS: Yes, but until the sale is 8 finalized -- 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I understand, I 10 understand, I'm just trying to -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So do we need to 12 include the reduction, Bob, the thing that you are 13 talking about in Animal Control in this budget? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can't at this time 15 really, because it hasn't been approved yet. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think we gotta leave 17 the budget the same, but with that item, thinking about 18 it, there are some other savings that we just talked 19 about. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that can be budget 21 amendments next year also? 22 MRS. DOSS: When a decision is made about 23 the Animal Control, then at that point you would do a 24 court order to update the position schedule. And then 25 we could -- we can't increase the budget, but it could 59 1 be decreased. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's what I'm trying 3 to say there's some potential other decreases in the 4 budget. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Same thing like with 6 KEDC, we talked about postponing that. The money's in 7 the budget whether we spend it or not. 8 MRS. DOSS: Yes, exactly right. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, Ma'am. 10 MS. HOFFER: And I might even have a further 11 one. I think, Brenda, did we put 40 in for the water 12 truck to put that new tank on? Is that what we had -- 13 because I didn't have an estimate because I couldn't get 14 a quote on that new tank. 15 MRS. DOSS: Yes, we did. 16 MR. HOFFER: And I should be getting 17 hopefully -- it has been a struggle trying to get a 18 company. We switched companies. Hopefully, I will have 19 a quote on that, and I -- I will be really shocked if 20 it's 40 thousand dollars. So there might be an 21 additional possibly ten thousand on top of the 35, so 22 that would be 45. 23 MRS. DOSS: That again until we get an 24 actual quote, we have to -- 25 MS. HOFFER: Hopefully it'll be this week. 60 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Summarize. I make a 2 motion that we accept changes to the budget as presented 3 by the County Auditor, and the other one as 4 recommended -- the five thousand dollar reduction as 5 recommended by Commissioner Letz for a total reduction 6 of $74,561.00. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it was moved by 9 Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Letz to 10 approve the proposed changes to the proposed budget as 11 presented, being 13 items now, and the new one that was 12 added at the bottom was a five thousand dollar reduction 13 as described. That revises the reduction to $74,561.00 14 total, is my understanding of your motion, is that 15 correct? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's correct. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: And it was seconded by 18 Commissioner Letz. All right, is there any further 19 comment or discussion about this matter? If not, those 20 in favor of the motion signify by raising your right 21 hands. By the way, was a record vote required? 22 MRS. DOSS: No, Sir. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we take a recess, 24 Judge? 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, ten-minute recess. 61 1 (Recess.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Timed at 9:55, 1.21 consider 3 discuss and take appropriate action to set salary and 4 expenses, and other allowances of the elected officials 5 as published on August 18th, 2017 in the Kerrville Daily 6 Times. And we have here a copy of that item in the 7 Kerrville Daily Times that's been added to the agenda, 8 and -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's not this agenda 10 item. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, is there any 12 comment or discussion about this matter? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a question. I 14 think it falls under this, County Attorney. Since we 15 put -- since elected officials are going to be on 16 longevity policy now, do we not need to set a base 17 salary, or can we set the base salary under this agenda 18 item, or is it under a position schedule? 19 MRS. STEBBINS: Did you just ask three 20 questions at once? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just want to make sure 22 I got an answer. 23 MRS. STEBBINS: Let's start with one 24 question. Do we set the base salary with this agenda 25 item, is that what you're asking? 62 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, yes. 2 MRS. STEBBINS: And then another part of 3 that question is? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or is that part of the 5 position schedule? Where do we set the base salary for 6 all the elected officials? We have to set the annual 7 salary, and at some point we need to set a base salary 8 for them. And the reason for the base salary for the 9 elected officials is that you get -- you never know when 10 you're going to have an opening, and it's gotta be, you 11 know, if we're going to have longevity for those of us 12 that have been around, so is there got to be a base 13 salary. How do we do that, that's my simple question. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Can you explain why 15 there has to be a base salary? You led up to it, but 16 you didn't really say why. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, because you'll 18 have -- if you don't have a base salary you basically 19 negate the longevity. Because say in three years your 20 salary goes up, and then -- and the new Commissioner 21 Precinct 3 is elected, so you going to go at your salary 22 with longevity, or at a base salary and have to wait to 23 get his longevity? In other words -- the officials will 24 get all different starting salaries. The Constables, 25 the J.P.'s, the salaries are going to vary from person 63 1 to person. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We already do get -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, they're varied, 4 but they're kind of constant like all the J.P.'s get a 5 salary, all the Commissioners -- you'd get a salary 6 until one of the Commissioners decided not to take a 7 salary one year. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Wait. I took a 9 salary; I just didn't take a raise. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second that. 11 MRS. STEBBINS: So you're asking if it needs 12 to be -- the base salary needs to be in the position 13 schedule? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 15 MRS. DOSS: Specified as a base salary. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Specified as a base 17 salary; otherwise how do we have a base salary if it's 18 not in the budget somewhere. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So we're voting on 20 whether Bob gets a salary this year? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Save some more money. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Does anybody have a 23 spare bedroom that's located in Precinct 4? 24 MRS. DOSS: I think we can set the salary 25 that's presented, but I do think that we would have to 64 1 readopt the position schedule then with a specification 2 of a base salary for each of the elected officials. I 3 don't know: -- 4 MRS. STEBBINS: I think that that's a good 5 suggestion. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We just do the salaries 7 now and we'll come back at next budget. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And clarify. 9 MRS. DOSS: And clarify. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What else do we have on 11 the agenda? 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Don't we have to set it 13 today? Don't we have to set it? 14 MRS. DOSS: We have to set the salary as 15 published, yes. The problem with the longevity is when 16 each every three years we're going to be adding two and 17 a half percent so then when -- if someone has gotten 18 longevity maybe four times and then they leave office, 19 then the new person coming in will start back at the 20 base instead of taking over at the -- and it's going to 21 have to be published separately now. I'm going to have 22 to have a base salary and then a column for the 23 longevity and that's where all this started. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that goes into 25 effect next year. So we could do that next year and 65 1 publish it, correct? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But it's gotta be in 3 this year's policy because it starts this year. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But this is not the 5 policy. 6 MRS. DOSS: The position schedule matches 7 this. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have never had a 9 longevity policy for elected officials before. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Why do we need it now 11 then? We've gone a long time without it. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We voted to do it. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That still didn't tell 14 me why we really needed it. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: The longevity policy 16 requires it. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To answer your question 18 the reason we did it was to eliminate the problem in 19 some departments of chief deputies making more than the 20 elected official, that's why we did it. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's all I wanted to 22 bring up. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And there was Attorney 24 General's opinion to this effect, was there not? 25 MRS. STEBBINS: Dawn said that the position 66 1 schedule is correct with the base salaries, so what you 2 need to do today is on the agenda is set the salary 3 today, and so that next year there may be a change in 4 the position schedule indicating the difference between. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In the publication next 6 year. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: All we need to do is 8 accept it as published, correct? 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I move that we 10 accept it as published. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 13 Belew to accept this is in response to item 1.21 of the 14 agenda package, to accept those salaries of the public 15 officials as published in the Kerrville Times on August 16 18, 2017, and there's been added to the agenda package a 17 handout showing that exact add, and it was seconded by 18 Commissioner Reeves. All right, any further comment or 19 discussion? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Only one other comment 21 on Commissioners there was no increase in salary this 22 year for the County Commissioners. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's correct. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Just to make 25 that point. Okay. 67 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, any further 2 comment about it? If there's not, those in favor of the 3 motion signify by raising their right hands. It's four 4 zero, unanimous. 5 Okay. Item 1.22 of the agenda consider, 6 discuss and take appropriate action to adopt fiscal year 7 2017-2018 Kerr County budget, and take a record vote. 8 Yes, Ma'am. 9 MRS. DOSS: Okay, you should have a copy of 10 the proposed budget. This includes the one cent 11 proposed tax increase, and all the changes except for 12 the $5000.00. I'll add that one before we file it. But 13 it does include all the other changes that we just 14 approved. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So it includes the one 16 cent tax. 17 MRS. DOSS: The one cent proposed tax, yes. 18 When we do a proposed tax increase we do it with a 19 proposed budget until it is approved. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So if the tax rate is 21 not approved -- 22 MRS. DOSS: Well you have to approve the 23 budget first. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Right. But you're 25 saying we approve the budget with a tax rate? 68 1 MRS. DOSS: Well, if you want to change the 2 tax rate then we can change the tax rate. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But that's another 4 item the agenda. Which is first the chicken or the egg? 5 MRS. DOSS: You have to approve the budget 6 first. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And then if for some 8 reason the tax rate is not the same, what happens to the 9 budget? 10 MRS. DOSS: Well, you would have to approve 11 the budget with either no tax increase, or with half a 12 cent tax increase, or a penny tax increase; however, you 13 want to approve the budget, you have to approve the 14 budget first. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So the tax rate 17 discussion is now. 18 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the bottom line. 20 Right, right. 21 MRS. DOSS: You have to decide now. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we need to -- well, 23 I don't guess because we're already on the budget. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm going to -- let me 25 help you, I think. I'm going to suggest that we do not 69 1 have the one cent tax rate increase in the budget. 2 Change the budget so it does not have any tax rate 3 increase. And with that I want to ask a question though 4 to the Auditor. What is your projection right now of 5 the surplus at the end of this year? Estimate. 6 MRS. DOSS: Well, I think the estimated 7 reserve balance is going to be six million four ninety 8 six six seven. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's -- but my 10 question is relative to revenue and expense. The 11 revenue exceeds expense by how much? 12 MRS. DOSS: I can't just give you -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just a ballpark, 14 because -- 15 MRS. DOSS: I can't give you -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- you've given it to 17 me for the last five years, and it's a big number. 18 MRS. DOSS: I think we're probably going to 19 come out maybe a hundred thousand dollars deficit. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a big change in 21 the last five years. 22 MRS. DOSS: Uh-huh. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We saved about a 24 hundred thousand this morning from what we saw. 25 MRS. DOSS: Are you talking about the end of 70 1 2017? 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 3 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We spent a hundred 5 thousand more than we budgeted, is that what you're 6 saying? 7 MRS. DOSS: No. I think in our budget we 8 had a huge deficit budgeted last year for 16-17. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What do you think the 10 actual is going to be? 11 MRS. DOSS: I think the actual is going to 12 be about a hundred thousand. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Negative. 14 MRS. DOSS: Negative. That's just my 15 opinion right now. I -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay, that's all 17 I was -- 18 -- don't know. We still have to -- last 19 year we accrued at the year end, we had 1.2 million 20 dollars in accounts payable that were accrued. We also 21 have to accrue a whole payroll this year, which is over 22 500 thousand dollars. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So right now your 24 estimate in the reserve is six point what million? 25 MRS. DOSS: Six million -- about 6,500,000. 71 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And what percentage is 2 that? 3 MRS. DOSS: That'll probably be a little 4 over 25 percent. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A little over 25 6 percent. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: A little over. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I know based on what 9 we propose with a penny tax increase, just what she 10 presented this morning, she being the Auditor, is two 11 tenths of one cent. That we whittled down on that. 12 Just what-ifs that we talked about a round here, could 13 be as much as another two tenths, so we're already down 14 to a half a penny. I frankly do not think we can afford 15 a tax increase this year. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not for a tax rate 17 increase. If we can't manage -- if we can't manage to a 18 half a cent, which is 150 thousand dollars out of a 22 19 million dollar budget and come out ahead, then we can't 20 manage, and so therefore I don't support a tax rate 21 increase. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So you are making a 23 motion? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a comment on 25 that, I mean I think -- and I can go along either way on 72 1 the small increase or no increase, what the Auditor just 2 said is pretty -- this is the first time -- one of the 3 few times we've had a deficit, an actual deficit budget. 4 MRS. DOSS: And that's just an estimate. I 5 don't know. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you are estimating 7 right now that we're actually have a deficit budget 8 which we complain local, State, Federal, every entity 9 there is to have a deficit budget, and we're okay with 10 no reserves, but it's a very bad precedent for us to 11 actually have a deficit budget. Budgeting a deficit 12 budget is one thing because we know we're going to make 13 up and not spend it all, but to actually have a deficit 14 budget that's a bad trend. It's a trend that's not 15 sustainable. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: If it was a larger 17 amount, I would agree. This is like in your home budget 18 finding out you gotta spend another couple hundred bucks 19 on something. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I'll make another 21 comment, I'll go along with no increase, but next year 22 we still have not added the cost of the jail maintenance 23 and operation. We've never done that. There's 1.42 24 cents that we have yet to add that voters voted to add. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 73 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They voted for it, and 2 we've been able to because we've been very -- a lot of 3 things we did this year extremely conservative, which is 4 good, but there's still that out there and that's going 5 to hit next year, and the combination I think it's going 6 to be, I mean a pretty good increase next year. It has 7 to be. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, if we see that -- 9 if we see that as a need for next year, and we didn't 10 budget, we should have. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We talking about the 12 18-19 year. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, 18-19, okay, I 14 agree. But Brenda -- and I asked her how much reserve 15 did we have excess revenue over spending for the last 16 five years, and it's been several hundred thousand 17 dollars, as high as a million, six hundred thousand, 18 it's been big. Now, in her estimate right now she said 19 well it's not going to happen this year. It's a hundred 20 thousand dollars is three tenths of a cent on the tax 21 rate, so that's a tiny little amount for managing, and 22 if we can't -- as the entire County can't manage to for 23 that hundred or two hundred thousand dollars, then we're 24 in trouble. And there's no reason we can't take a look, 25 there's various ways to approve the budget year and make 74 1 adjustments. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I will tell you that one 3 of the reasons that number is very low, and as you 4 mentioned a million dollars, is because Brenda hasn't 5 been around five years. And as she has -- and we have 6 really tightened up the County, our budget, and we used 7 to have that million dollars, and I used to argue that 8 point all the time, but we don't have that anymore. And 9 it's another thing we used to be able to -- I mean the 10 Judge and I first when he was County Judge, oh we always 11 end up with extra money. And we -- but that amount of 12 excess is getting smaller and smaller every year as 13 we're doing a much better job budgeting. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, how much of this 15 hundred thousand dollars is going to be a one-time 16 expense? 17 MRS. DOSS: For the current year? 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah. For the budget 19 year we're talking about. 20 MRS. DOSS: Well, what have we bought this 21 year? We bought a vehicle. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We bought -- some of 23 this is one-time expense. 24 MRS. DOSS: We buy vehicles a lot. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Every year we buy 75 1 vehicles. It's a one time for that one vehicle. 2 MRS. DOSS: We haven't had too many one-time 3 expenses in the current year, because now we're 4 financing a lot of our vehicles, and it's something that 5 varies from year to year. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Like I say, I'm fine 7 with the no tax increase, but I think that it's -- we're 8 getting very close to the point that it's going to be an 9 increase next year unless the Sheriff is really -- well, 10 it's going to depend largely on the jail more than 11 anything else next year. 12 MRS. DOSS: And there are also unknowns at 13 the jail. We don't know about medical, I mean our 14 medical has been high, but I imagine it's going to get 15 higher. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: And what do you have to say, 17 Sheriff? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well real quick, the 19 only thing I'm concerned about, and of course being a 20 taxpayer I'm not really always for a tax increase 21 either, but having been with this County for 30 22 something years and seeing where we are in the budgeting 23 and where we've gone, every elected official and 24 department head now has pretty well cut our budgets to 25 the bare bone. We have no more fluff in them to have 76 1 any extra. And that's why you end up with a hundred 2 thousand deficit. My medical in the jail is going up 3 tremendously. Nothing I can do about that. We've got 4 an unexpected bill that hadn't had been paid of 201,000 5 last week. That's above anything I have in the budget. 6 There's still negotiations on how much of that's going 7 to get paid. That's on top of our regular contract that 8 we're already over a hundred thousand on in prisoner 9 medical. Okay. Prisoner medical is getting horrendous 10 and I'm trying to get some other avenues on it, but 11 there's not much we can do about it, and the county's 12 obligated that we have to pay it, so I'm really 13 concerned there. And then when I start adding after 14 December, and adding more inmates into this facility, 15 okay, into our facility prisoner medical and the costs 16 are going to go up even more. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So is the revenue. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we hope, and it 19 should. Okay, it should. But I don't like counting 20 chickens before they hatch, you might say. Okay, it 21 should go up. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Are people going to 23 stop getting arrested, Rusty? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And more people 77 1 arrested this next year and more people being shipped to 2 other places, I think we can pretty well count on people 3 coming here. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And I grant that's a 5 possibility, okay. But how much of that is true revenue 6 and not the cost that you're going to have going along 7 with it. And when you do house other county's inmates 8 you also take on some of the liabilities of those 9 inmates, so you're going to have some issues there. I'm 10 just -- we did go to the public with this jail 11 expansion, and we went to the public with the tax 12 increase with that expansion. We've kept our part in 13 we've added the employees necessary, we're doing that 14 this year. Okay, part of that. Okay. But we also did 15 advise them, there would have to be a tax increase. 16 Now, the only thing is it's getting real tight, and I 17 don't think there's an elected official in here that 18 would disagree with that. And I saw what this County 19 did for years, and I've been here longer than probably 20 any of y'all on the Court, for years and years this 21 County adopted a policy and no tax increase, all right. 22 We don't have the options that the City of Kerrville 23 has. They say no tax increase, but yet my water and 24 sewer rates go up every single year and then at the end 25 of the year they transfer it over to general fund. 78 1 That's tax increase whether they voted for it or not. 2 But this County did that, and it got to where it truly 3 hurt this County. With this Court we've been able to 4 finally get this County back on the seat in my opinion 5 and do what is necessary. I hate to see us reverse that 6 regardless of what the reason is, because expenses are 7 going up, unfunded mandates are going up, and it doesn't 8 matter what we think about them, we gotta pay it. And 9 the County only has one way to raise that revenue. So 10 just seriously consider as a resident whether or not 11 we're going to go back down in the hole, or vote so we 12 can progress. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, that brings up a 14 good point, I don't know really what unfunded mandate 15 came out of the last legislature. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A couple hundred 17 thousand dollars. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You sure? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, yeah. Brenda 20 will get that for us, she -- 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Nothing hidden? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. It was a couple 23 hundred thousand dollars increase in unfunded mandates 24 for us. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's going to be all 79 1 of our J.P.'s have a lot more work they're having to do, 2 they're the ones that was hit. I talked to J.P. 3 about 3 it, and it's -- they have -- they're going to have to -- 4 you know, they're going to get through this year, but 5 they very well could need some additional assistance, 6 whether it's one person to help all have them, or each 7 one. But there will be -- 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Impact. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- impact. You don't 10 know the impact for the first year. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And the legislature 12 also added at least 40 more hours of training for every 13 officer I have, whether it be jail staff, or whether it 14 be deputies. And that comes at a high cost when we have 15 to start paying that out of our budget. 16 MRS. DOSS: And courthouse security training 17 also. 18 MRS. STEBBINS: And there's also different 19 requirements related to criminal law, and so that will 20 affect the filings in the County Court at Law -- or in 21 the County Court at Law and the District Court. More 22 particularly in the County Court. It's just -- there 23 will be more work to do with the same number. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: All of the work, all 25 of the proposed stuff is budgeted for this year. We're 80 1 just talking whether we go up or not, correct? 2 MRS. DOSS: Yes. And if you decide to not 3 raise it a penny, then I would have to reduce the 4 revenue, which means then we would just have a bigger 5 deficit. And I do have some -- 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You speak deficit. In 7 other words, and I guess this is what I'm trying to get 8 at, yes it's deficit spending, but not like we're going 9 out to borrow the money to make up for it. It's coming 10 from reserves, yes? 11 MRS. DOSS: Yes, Sir. When I say deficit, I 12 mean that expenditures are more than revenues. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Understand. I just 14 wanted to point it out. We hear about deficit spending, 15 people in Washington when they don't have the money they 16 go borrow the money. We're not talking about borrowing 17 money to make up for the difference between -- 18 MRS. DOSS: No, no. We have -- 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- revenue. We are 20 reducing what we have in our savings account. I have to 21 agree, I can't see a tax increase this year. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we may have a 23 $200,000.00 shortfall the way we see it now, that's one 24 tenth of one percent. I submit we can manage the one 25 tenth of one percent. 81 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's a trend 2 that's I'm not comfortable going with. I think that 3 if -- you know, look at the hurricane. If that 4 hurricane would have hit a little bit to the west, our 5 reserves would be drastically reduced right now. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, they'd be reduced 7 but we have six million dollars reserve. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A flood on the Guadalupe 9 takes six million dollars. It could wipe -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It never has. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It could. The '36 flood 12 would have. It certainly would have, it took the whole 13 mall. 14 MRS. DOSS: And the problem with that is 15 yes, we get FEMA funding, but it takes a year to get 16 reimbursed. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Well, that's 18 what six million dollars is for. 19 MRS. DOSS: We will need that to fund our 20 payroll. We can have a tax -- we can have a cash flow 21 problem because our tax revenue does not start coming in 22 until the end of December, and that means we need three 23 months of operating. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's called a 25 capacitor. 82 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Six million dollars -- 2 how much? 3 MRS. DOSS: We have 6.5 million. Our 4 payroll usually costs us between 500 and 600 thousand 5 dollars. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So we have roughly how 7 much, 25 percent reserve? 8 MRS. DOSS: Right now, yes. 9 MRS. DOSS: But if we don't do the tax 10 increase then I'm estimating we will have below 25 11 percent. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right now how much is 13 it 25 point what? 25 -- because we're talking about -- 14 we're talking about three hundred thousand dollars 15 revenue with one cent. 16 MRS. DOSS: Yes. About 325 thousand. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. So how much 18 is -- how much do we have in reserve, six million -- 19 MRS. DOSS: 6.5 million. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, 6.5. So what 21 does it take to get it down to 25 percent? How much 22 reduction? 23 MRS. DOSS: How much -- I don't understand 24 what you're asking. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If you don't have three 83 1 hundred thousand dollars revenue, what's that -- what's 2 the reserve result, 25 point what? 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Percentage. 4 MRS. DOSS: I don't know. I would have to 5 go do that calculation. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's pretty close to 7 25 percent. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So that three hundred 9 thousand dollars, two hundred thousand dollars, one 10 hundred thousand dollars, whichever figure you want 11 doesn't make a lot of difference in a catastrophic 12 event. When you start digging into six million dollars 13 that hundred thousand to three hundred thousand, that 14 half a cent or whatever it ends up being doesn't make a 15 lot of difference. It's not going to save that. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean you can't look at 17 it like that. There -- 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I think that was 19 the point that was made a minute ago. 20 MRS. DOSS: But also a problem is too that 21 once you get below your 25 percent it is very difficult 22 to get back up there, because then you have to have -- 23 you have to have more revenues every year. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is the first year 25 we've gotten there since the mid 2000's. 84 1 MRS. DOSS: They've been trying forever to 2 get up here. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We've been trying to get 4 here. And we finally get here -- 5 MRS. DOSS: And I would like to -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- and then we vote to 7 go back down below it. 8 MRS. DOSS: And another point is when you 9 increase your expenditures. The 25 percent fund balance 10 is a function of what you have. It's 25 -- you should 11 have 25 percent of your operating in fund balance, so 12 that means every year if you're increasing your 13 operating that means your fund balance requirements 14 increase also. And this year we increased our 15 expenditures 1.3 million dollars, so that means that our 16 fund balance requirement also increased 25 percent of 17 that. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, but still we're 19 at 25 -- we're over 25 percent now, and I would just 20 like to know -- 21 MRS. DOSS: That's estimated right now. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand that, I 23 understand that it's not actual. But still we're going 24 to be at 25 percent with the three hundred thousand 25 dollar reduction in revenue. Or really, in light of 85 1 what Commissioner Reeves said, probably a couple hundred 2 thousand dollars; not three hundred thousand because 3 we'll reduce the budget, we'll reduce it 60, 70 4 thousand. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We said one cent. 6 Three hundred and what -- 20 thousand or whatever. We 7 took off 74 -- almost 75 thousand just then. So that's 8 point two of a cent, so now we're arguing on point eight 9 cent. 10 MRS. DOSS: I already had that in the budget 11 though. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But when we approved 13 the budget the one percent you didn't have this. 14 MRS. DOSS: The one cent is already in your 15 budget. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, I understand, but 17 when we voted for one cent six weeks ago, whenever it 18 was, we weren't planning for that savings. 19 MRS. DOSS: Yes. We did not have the 20 proposed changes in there. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But the only other 22 issue I would say is such as the prisoner medical, okay. 23 There's -- I don't see any way around sometime in this 24 coming year they're going to have to be some budget 25 amendments on prisoner medical because of the way it's 86 1 going, and we're going to have to go into our reserve or 2 wherever it is that the Auditor can find that money. 3 Now, the only other thing I say, to me and 4 what I've seen and how I've seen this County do over all 5 these years is -- I kind of associate it to building. 6 If you look at the jail and the expansion we're going in 7 right now, 15 million dollars for just expanding to a 8 144 beds. When we built that jail, for the jail and the 9 Sheriff's office was six point something million. For a 10 hundred and 92 beds and a Sheriff's office, the longer 11 you kick that can down the road, the more impact it's 12 going to be. And if you kick that tax increase like we 13 did years ago, down the road the more it's going to have 14 to be at the end, and then we're going to start doing 15 what we did before with freezes and salary layoffs, and 16 people are already stretched, we don't have the employee 17 flux anymore like we used to at one time to be able to 18 start reducing, which y'all asked us to do a lot when we 19 first went to longevity, and everybody did. In fact the 20 Sheriff's office, I reduced five jailers one year. 21 Okay. We don't have that give anymore, there is no way 22 I can reduce anymore. And if you kick this can down the 23 road this county's going to hurt. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, two hundred 25 thousand dollars is not a big kick in the can. 87 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If it's not the 2 reductions you're expecting, and a hundred thousand 3 deficit, and a two hundred thousand dollar medical bill 4 minimum over, because I've got that bill right now -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, Sheriff, you're 6 talking about -- you're talking about something a lot 7 bigger than a two hundred thousand dollars issue. 8 You're talking about a million, or you're talking about 9 a big thing, a big potential threat to the budget, 10 right? I mean you're talking about -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This year everything's 12 going to add up. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the two hundred 14 thousand dollars we're talking about here is going to 15 help that. But you got a bigger problem right now that 16 you're laying on the table, that's a threat to this 17 budget, and I'm not arguing with you. You may be right, 18 but -- 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'm just trying to make 20 sure everybody is aware of where we're going, especially 21 with our jail, and with our medical before you just 22 start looking at things that, and yes it's this. But 23 every year in the County budget amendments we always 24 make it for the end of the year. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So why do we not 88 1 approve the budget today, why don't we increase -- 2 MRS. DOSS: We -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand, wait. I 4 think we oughta increase the budget, maybe we oughta 5 increase the budget. We can go back and rescind what we 6 you did. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: You can't increase it over 8 that one cent. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm not talking about 10 increasing the tax rate; I'm talking about changing -- 11 what's disappointing is here we are today, we've had 12 five workshops or something like that. 13 MRS. DOSS: We've had more than five. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What you're talking 15 about should have been brought up early. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Prisoner medical has 17 been brought up at every workshop we've ever talked 18 about. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, we should have 20 put more in there. Bad for us. 21 MRS. DOSS: I think the point is that we 22 just found out number one that there is an outstanding 23 two hundred thousand dollar prisoner medical for 2017. 24 And, yes, Thursday when we come back to court I will 25 have to make a budget amendment to cover that. So when 89 1 I'm estimating a hundred thousand dollars that we may 2 have been in deficit at the end of the year that could 3 change. It could be worse than that. We don't know 4 that right now. I don't know how many accounts payables 5 we're going to have to accrue at year end. I don't know 6 how many outstanding bills there are. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand. 8 MRS. DOSS: So I think it's taking a risk. 9 The first risk is what the actual balance is going to be 10 at the end of this year, and then there's a second risk 11 also how much we were going to actually make in revenue 12 in 17-18, and how much we're actually going to spend for 13 our budgeted expenditures. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand. I 15 understand. 16 MRS. DOSS: These are all risks that have to 17 be weighed against our fund balance. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We also have a 22 19 million dollar budget and we're talking about a two 20 hundred thousand dollar discussion here, and that's one 21 tenth of one percent if I'm correct. And if we can't 22 manage one tenth of one percent -- 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, you're 24 talking about one item. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Hu? 90 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner, you keep 2 on doing that, you keep on talking about one particular 3 line item in our budget. We have thousands of line 4 items. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand that. So 6 we can manage to a thousand different line items. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, the other thing I 8 want to bring up we're giving our employees a very, very 9 meager increase this year, because we didn't want to 10 have a large tax increase. Everything I see is we're -- 11 if we don't have a tax increase this year we're going to 12 have a bigger tax increase next year. We have to 13 have -- I don't see it has to do with the jail. And we 14 have to vote on where we have to do that. And then 15 we're going to come in and have the argument oh gosh, 16 well we can't give all our employees a raise because 17 we're doing a tax increase. So they get -- so we want 18 to stick it to them two years in a row? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't agree with 20 that. 21 MRS. DOSS: Another point is that the Road 22 and Bridge fund balance has dropped also. It's down to 23 an estimate of maybe 12 percent. And Road and Bridge is 24 a lot -- even though that the State Comptroller doesn't 25 suggest that they have a 25 percent, but they are a huge 91 1 part of our operation. And frankly they should be at 25 2 percent also. So I think that's taking a risk dropping 3 them way below that, because if we did have a disaster 4 we would have to utilize the Road and Bridge to pay a 5 lot of salaries. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. What is an 7 estimate back on Commissioner Letz's point? What's an 8 estimate of how much medical and all went up for 9 employees? What percentage this year over -- or next 10 year projected over this year? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Six. 12 MRS. DOSS: Six or seven percent. 13 MRS. LANTZ: 5.5 percent. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the employees -- I'd 15 like for them to have two percent rather than one 16 percent, but we discussed that. But on the medical all 17 employees got like a five or six percent -- six percent 18 increase in benefits from that, correct? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Six percent of their 20 benefit. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Six percent of their 22 benefit. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Of the medical, yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. So that's a 25 pretty big increase. 92 1 MRS. LANTZ: But that's another thing 2 setting out there too for approval. We don't know 3 what's going to happen with this medical health care 4 that's out there. It can really do us in next year. 5 That's a whole 'nother -- 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to make one 7 comment and then go on. I want to thank Mrs. Doss for 8 pointing out the pros and cons of everything through 9 this whole workshop, she's taking it very personal, and 10 I appreciate her commitment to working on this, and I 11 understand your point. I understand the Sheriff's 12 point. Every elected official, every department head, 13 and I said this before, has put in a lot of time to hold 14 their budget and look out for the taxpayers. But still 15 with that we've had two increases the past two years, 16 part of the first increase was voter approved, but it's 17 still been two tax increases. I just cannot see putting 18 another tax increase on our taxpayers this year. May 19 have to do it next year, we can go down the road we'll 20 look at it, but I cannot see it for this year. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I would add one 22 other thing, too and to follow up on Commissioner Belew. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Reeves. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A one percent -- 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Four. 93 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One percent -- yeah. 2 Excuse me. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Four. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Whatever your name is. 5 Commissioner Reeves, excuse me. A one percent average 6 household in Kerr County's a hundred -- I mean home 7 value's a hundred and 93 thousand, something like that, 8 so let's just say two hundred thousand, so we're talking 9 about a 20 dollar a year increase. It's not a big 10 increase to the average household, so it's just -- to me 11 it's just the principal of the thing. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, we have limited 13 means by which to procure that. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. But I'm just 15 saying it's to an individual home owner, it's not but 20 16 dollars a year is not a whole lot, so -- average. 17 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Just from my point, I 18 think that's the reason you didn't have anybody here for 19 the public hearing is because they agreed that we have 20 buckled down as much as we can possibly buckle down. 21 And they agree with the increase, the people that I 22 talked to. They don't have a problem with the one cent. 23 I don't know what y'all are hearing, but that's what 24 I've heard. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I hadn't had a single 94 1 complaint. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I have. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. To review we're 4 on item 1.21, which is to consider, discuss and take 5 appropriate action to set the salaries, expenses and 6 other -- 7 MRS. DOSS: No. 1.22. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.22, all right, yeah. 9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action to adopt 10 fiscal year 2017-18 Kerr County budget and to take a 11 record vote. Now, if there's no further comment or 12 discussion we're going to go ahead with that record 13 vote, okay? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have to have a motion 15 first. 16 MRS. DOSS: Someone has to -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a motion to approve 18 the budget? 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that 20 we approve the budget as presented. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: That's with the one cent tax 22 increase? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: I will second that motion, 25 okay. Is there any further comment or discussion? Then 95 1 those in favor of that motion signify by raising your 2 right hand -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have to have a record 4 vote. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. How do you vote? 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: No. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: You vote no? 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes, Sir. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: I vote for it. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: You vote what? 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. It fails three 16 to two. Now, what do we do? 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll make a motion to 18 adopt the 2017-2018 fiscal year budget for Kerr County 19 with no tax increase. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 22 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to adopt the 23 budget as presented with no tax increase, and is there 24 any further comment or discussion? Those in favor of 25 that motion -- all right, how do you vote on that one? 96 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: No. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it passes three 7 to two. 8 Item 1.23 consider, discuss and take 9 appropriate action to ratify the property tax increase 10 as reflected in the budget and take a record vote. 11 That's 1.23. We just voted on 1.22, didn't we? 12 MRS. DOSS: Yes. You have to ratify that 13 the property tax will be increased by -- I'll let 14 someone read this. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Not by the one cent. 16 MRS. DOSS: Well, no, because they didn't 17 approve the one cent. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 19 MS. DIANE BOLIN: The tax rate hasn't been 20 approved yet. 21 MRS. DOSS: But this is what the property 22 tax will increase in the first paragraph if you don't 23 raise the tax rate. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we com -- 25 MRS. DOSS: No. You have to ratify that the 97 1 budget is goi9ng to reflect an increase in property 2 taxes as you just adopted. You have to ratify that you 3 know the taxes are going to be increased in the budget. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Because of increased 5 property values change? 6 MRS. DOSS: Yes, yes. And the new property 7 that was added. I just gave the paragraph to Judge 8 Pollard. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Does that mean is that 10 how it needs to be with worded? 11 MRS. DOSS: Yes. You just need to read the 12 first part of the paragraph. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Which part, do we read 14 the whole thing? 15 MRS. DOSS: No. The very first paragraph. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion this 17 budget will raise more revenue from property taxes than 18 last year's budget by an amount of $1,133,099.00, which 19 is a 5.51 percent increase from last year's budget. The 20 property tax revenues will be raised from the new 21 property added to the tax roll this year is $462,014.00. 22 MRS. DOSS: And you have to take a record 23 vote to ratify it. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Is that your motion? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's a motion to 98 1 ratify that motion. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And it's ratifying it 3 at 50 cents per hundred dollars valuation. 4 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: You make a motion to that 7 effect? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Who seconded? 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Second by Commissioner 12 Reeves. All right, this is in item -- response to item 13 1.23 as dictated into the record by Commissioner Letz. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Record vote again. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: And record vote. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: No. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So Brenda, that's an 22 increase -- 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It passes four to one. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- of how much? One 25 point what? 99 1 MRS. DOSS: I'm sorry. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's an increase in 3 tax revenue of how much? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1.1 million. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 1.1 million. 6 MRS. DOSS: Yeah. And that was based on the 7 valuations and the new property that was added to it. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right, good. Thank 9 you. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.24 consider, discuss 11 and take appropriate action to take a record vote on the 12 2017 Kerr County tax rate. This will be the combined 13 tax rate for Kerr County and lateral roads. Diane 14 Bolin. 15 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Each of you have received 16 a packet. It tells you since you weren't supposed to 17 set the tax rate until this one, and which you did in 18 the last one pretty much. So if you'll find the one 19 that has the 50 cents on it, and I guess that's where 20 y'all are going. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And it needs to be 22 read verbatim, is that correct? 23 MS. DIANE BOLIN: It does, and there's a 24 second page that has to go along with it after we take a 25 record vote. 100 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the second page is 2 not that part of the motion but -- 3 MS. DIANE BOLIN: It is not. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES -- it is part of the 5 Court Order. 6 MS. DIANE BOLIN: It is what's required by 7 law. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion. I 9 move that the property tax rate be -- now I got a 10 question. The tax rates increase? 11 MS. DIANE BOLIN: What the Code says, yes. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Be increased by the 13 adoption of a tax rate of .5000 per 100 dollars 14 valuation, which is effectively a 2.38 percent increase 15 in the tax rate. The breakdown of this tax rate to be 16 as follows: Maintenance and operations .4004, interest 17 and sinking .0673, the total tax rate for Kerr County 18 being .4677. Lateral roads .0323, for a combined total 19 tax rate of .5000 per 100 dollars per valuation, which 20 is the same as last year. 21 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Correct. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question. That's not a 23 tax rate increase. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, it is. It's 25 effective. 101 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The effective tax 2 rate. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But make it the same -- 4 MS. DIANE BOLIN: I can't. 5 MRS. DOSS: You can't. 6 MS. DIANE BOLIN: That is the statute. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's the statute. Talk 8 to Andy Murr. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, Andy Murr. 10 MS. DIANE BOLIN: State Comptroller. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've got a question. 12 So the wording has to be it's a tax rate increase even 13 though we didn't increase the tax rate? 14 MS. DIANE BOLIN: That is correct. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wonderful. That's 16 stupid. 17 MS. DIANE BOLIN: I even went back to the 18 State Comptroller's website and read this to make sure 19 that I had the words right. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just for the record, I 21 go along with that, but that's not a tax rate increase. 22 MRS. DOSS: It's increasing an amount of the 23 effective tax rate. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Then it oughta say 25 that. 102 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, I'm not going to 2 debate the point, I agree, but that means how it's got 3 to be read into the record. The long and short of it 4 the tax rate -- the dollar amount did not go above what 5 it was last year, point 50 cents. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd like to point out that 7 there has been no second to the motion, and if I don't 8 get one -- 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I second. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: It's now be seconded, and 12 I'm not going to try to repeat that motion you read it 13 into the record -- 14 MS. DIANE BOLIN: It's a record vote. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: -- per the Statute. Any 16 further comment or discussion? If not, those in favor 17 of that motion signify by -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Record vote. 19 MS. DIANE BOLIN: A record vote. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: You? 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: No. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, I'll go yes, 25 because -- yeah, I go yes. 103 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: It passes four to one. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You keep voting no. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd like to vote some more 5 no to some of those. 6 MS. DIANE BOLIN: The second page. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And in addition that 8 court order should include -- this is -- I'll make a 9 motion per -- 10 MS. DIANE BOLIN: This is not a motion. 11 This just has to be added into it, but it's not a part 12 of the motion. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Okay, I apologize. 14 MS. DIANE BOLIN: That's okay. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This needs to be read 16 into the record. Per Texas Property Tax Code Section 17 26.05(b)(1). This is the additional wording required in 18 the court order for the 2017 Kerr County tax rate. The 19 tax rate will be raised more taxes for maintenance and 20 operation than last year's tax rate. The tax rate will 21 effectively be raised by 3.40 percent and will raise 22 taxes -- 23 MS. DIANE BOLIN: You're reading the wrong 24 one. Should be 2.3. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: My apologies. The tax 104 1 rate will effectively be raised by 2.38 percent, will 2 raise taxes for maintenance and operations on $100,000 3 home by approximately $8.00. And that's gotta be 4 included in the court order. You have a copy of that? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But that was all a part 6 of 1.24. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah. It just has to 8 be included in the court order. 9 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Can I request something? 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes. 11 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Can we skip the lateral 12 roads, like Ingram Estates so I can go to my office and 13 get the paperwork? 14 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 15 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Sorry. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.25 -- 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: She'll be back in a 18 minute. We can go to 1.26. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.26 consider, discuss and 20 take appropriate action to approve setting the cost for 21 a copy of the fiscal year 2017-18 Kerr County budget. 22 Rebecca Bolin. 23 MRS. REBECCA BOLIN: Last year we adopted to 24 have an electronic copy be $5.00. a loose leaf paper 25 copy of the entire budget be 40, and a binded copy from 105 1 So Fast Printing Company be 60. The only request I'm 2 making this year is that the copy from So Fast Printing 3 be 80 dollars, because that's the County cost for it. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's what it -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Last year it was how 6 much? 7 MRS. REBECCA BOLIN: 60. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 60. Is there another 9 source that could print this for less than 80? 10 MRS. DOSS: We'll look. We'll see if we can 11 find one. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So this is just 13 say if you can find one less, that would be okay. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we have to set it. 15 MRS. DOSS: You have to set the cost. 16 MS. REBECCA BOLIN: The cost for copies. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So can we set the cost 18 of a copy of the bound version at the County's actual 19 cost rather than put a dollar amount? 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Or not to exceed. 21 MRS. DOSS: I guess so. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, for actual cost. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's good. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Which is 80 dollars. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 106 1 set the cost for a copy of the FY 2017-18 Kerr County 2 budget for $5.00 electronic version, $40.00 for a copy 3 version, and the actual cost amount for a bound version. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: $40.00 for the bound 6 version, too? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. That's just a copy. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We're going up 30 9 percent, so we're just staying -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is the $40.00 11 version. 12 MRS. DOSS: The $80.00 version is that huge 13 book that's been bound. And we've never, since I've 14 been here, sold one, ever. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, you made a motion 16 and you second it? 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And I second it. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: The motion's made by 19 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser to set 20 the cost as stated by Commissioner Letz for the fiscal 21 year 2017-18 a copy of the County budget. All right, 22 those in favor of that motion signify by raising their 23 right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A 10:30 timed item is 25 1.30. 107 1 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.30 consider, discuss and 2 take appropriate action to approve contract with Ubeo 3 Business Services for a copier for the Justice of the 4 Peace Office, Precinct 3, and allow the County Judge to 5 sign same. 6 MRS. PAIGE: Mr. Wells, our representative 7 was planning on being here today, but he can't. What he 8 did was in reviewing our contract he found that our 9 contract had expired, and we were being billed month to 10 month, so he put together a new contract which replaces 11 our copier with a brand new one. It is for 63 months, 12 and it will be the same amount $64.00 per month that 13 we're paying currently. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: County Attorney fine 16 with it? 17 MRS. STEBBINS: I've reviewed it yes, Sir. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 20 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve item 21 1.30 and that is to approve the contract with Ubeo 22 Business Services for a copier for the Justice of the 23 Peace Office and authorize the County Judge to sign 24 same. Is there any further comment or discussion? 25 There being none, those in favor signify by raising your 108 1 right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. Thank you. 2 Item 1.25 consider, discuss and take 3 appropriate action to adopt the 2017 Lake Ingram Estates 4 Road District tax rate. And does somebody want to make 5 a motion? 6 MS. DIANE BOLIN: The tax rate has actually 7 gone down from last year by a couple of pennies because 8 of the revenues that we're getting in. We only have one 9 property owner who has never paid, so we're doing well. 10 MRS. DOSS: And plus the debt service drops 11 a tiny bit every year, and we have sufficient fund 12 balance in the debt service fund. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 14 adopt the Lake Ingram Estates Road District tax rate of 15 .2362 cents per 100 dollars valuation for the 2017 tax 16 year. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And you need a record 19 vote? 20 MS. DIANE BOLIN: I do, yes, Sir. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved by 22 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 23 adopt a tax rate of .2362 per hundred dollars evaluation 24 for the 2017 tax year, and is this a record vote now? 25 MS. DIANE BOLIN: It is yes, Sir. 109 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Start with Mr. Belew. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, that's .2362 4 dollars per hundred; not cents, okay? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Correct. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, yes. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: So .2362 dollars, okay. All 8 right, I vote yes. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: So it passes five zero 12 unanimously. 13 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Thank you. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Now we go to 1.27 -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, we need to go to 16 1.31, 32 and 33, the next page. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: They're all timed. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then we're back on 19 track. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.31 consider, discuss and 21 take appropriate action on approval of new copier for 22 the Human Resources Department, and allow the County 23 Judge to sign same. Dawn Lantz. 24 MRS. LANTZ: And like J.P. 3's office my 25 contract was up for renewal. It was on a month to month 110 1 basis, and Mr. Wells redid our contract as well, it 2 should be provided in the backup, and the County 3 attorney reviewed it. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 6 MRS. LANTZ: And there's no price increase. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved by Commissioner Moser, 8 seconded by Commissioner Letz -- or Reeves rather, to 9 approve the new copier for the Human Resource 10 Department, and allow the County Judge to sign same. Is 11 there any further comment or discussion? There being 12 none, those in favor signify by raising their right 13 hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 14 1.32 consider, discuss and take appropriate 15 action to authorize the County Judge to sign the Ubeo 16 rental agreement for the Sheriff's Office. Rusty 17 Hierholzer. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This one's just a 19 little bit different. It is the same thing with 20 copiers. The issue is we are going from one to two 21 small ones on one part of the Department after some of 22 our renovations, so otherwise it's the same exact cost, 23 there's no increase in cost. But I would say pass this 24 pending the approval of the County Attorney. The same 25 company, same contract. 111 1 MRS. STEBBINS: I reviewed it. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I didn't know if she 3 got it to you. 4 MRS. GRINSTEAD: I don't have a copy of it. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I'm not sure -- it's 6 the same because it's Ubeo, it's the same company, same 7 contract. I don't have an issue there, but I don't 8 believe she's actually seen mine, so I would ask -- 9 MRS. STEBBINS: Give me just a minute. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- ask that you approve 11 it pending the approval of the County Attorney. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have a question. 13 Since we have three Ubeo's today, or however you say 14 their name, but from time to time the Court questions -- 15 Rusty knows where I'm going, why we can't do one 16 contract for all copiers in the County, rather than have 17 all these different ones, and we're bound to be able to 18 get a better deal. We used to -- well, the last time 19 that I recall, this being brought up by at least by me, 20 the answer was well they're all on different terms, 21 they're too hard to do and we said well let's try to get 22 them all start going in a fashion where we can do them 23 as one big contract. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And I think that would 25 be a thing to possibly look at in the future. The only 112 1 issue that I have, the same thing, I've got 1, 2, 3, 4 2 copiers right now, going to 5. The problem you have is 3 what's going to be the number of copies, okay? Such as 4 part of what I'm doing is the number I've set for the 5 number of copies in the Sheriff's Office part, the Admin 6 part, we don't need that number, because you're paying 7 for it, okay? But where I went in the jail part is a 8 deficit, when I redo those in a few months, which I'll 9 have to. I've got to up those numbers. Now, when you 10 spread that out as one big umbrella contract with the 11 entire County, I don't know how you're going to come up 12 with, you know, the correct numbers that you're not 13 going to end up paying a lot of either too much money 14 for not making as many copies as everybody does, or not 15 enough and having to pay for those per cent copies, 16 that's where it gets expensive when you go over your 17 allotted amount when you add the number of copiers -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My question is can't we 19 select a company? You still work with, whoever, the one 20 you want to, but we pick the company that -- 21 MRS. STEBBINS: I think that Mr. Trolinger 22 has some insight, and will probably give you the same 23 answer that he came up with last year. 24 MR. TROLINGER: I will. 25 MRS. STEBBINS: I think it's real difficult 113 1 to -- 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, what you're 3 having is there's been a change in the companies. A lot 4 of this of what we're staying with is the same people 5 and same service person, but we're having to go through 6 a different company to do it. That's the problem. They 7 know us and know it, and we're staying with that. 8 MRS. STEBBINS: Nancy sent me this, and I 9 did review it. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: All right. So she had 11 it reviewed. 12 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. So John, what's 14 your -- 15 MR. TROLINGER: So Ubeo, I'd like to 16 compliment them, and I recently did. I think 17 Commissioner Reeves was there when they came into HR. 18 They're on the spot, they come in on the weekends. They 19 fix -- I mean very important that we have these things 20 operating at our squad room for example. But by having 21 the individual contracts, it allows us to keep the 22 competition. We've got three different companies that 23 are providing these services, we've had no price 24 increases, we have good competition. And then just like 25 the Sheriff stated, it's all over the place. One year 114 1 his number of copies might need to change, it's just too 2 variable to consolidate the contracts that we do for 3 cell phones for instance where we can have full admin, 4 it's just not practical, that's why we've kept it 5 separate. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You know it's kind of 7 like with the jail alone, just to give you an example of 8 why I'm trying to go more and more paperless, my copies 9 in the jail alone right now are hitting right at 50 10 thousand a month. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Think of all those trees 12 you're killing, Sheriff. I make a motion that we 13 approve the Ubeo rental agreement with the Sheriff's 14 office. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 17 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser and in regard to 18 item 1.32 of the agenda to approve the Ubeo rental 19 agreement with the Sheriff's Office, and authorize the 20 County Judge to sign same. Any further discussion? 21 There being none, those in favor signify by raising 22 their right hands. It's unanimous. 23 All right, let's go to item 1.33 consider, 24 discussion and take appropriate action to approve/renew 25 contract with Ubeo Business Services for two copiers for 115 1 the County Clerk's office, and authorize the County 2 Judge to sign same. 3 MRS. REBECCA BOLIN: I'm right there in line 4 with everybody else. County Attorney has approved mine, 5 and I ask the Court to approve it, and authorize the 6 Judge to sign. No price increase. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: You've read the contract? 8 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval of 10 the agenda item. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 13 Letz, and seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve item 14 1.33 of the agenda to approve the contract with Ubeo 15 Business Services for two copiers for the County Clerk's 16 Office, and authorize the County Judge to sign same. 17 Any further discussion? There being none, those in 18 favor signify by raising your right hands. It's four 19 zero, unanimous. 20 All right. Any other times items? No. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Go back to two seven. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.27 consider, discuss and 23 take appropriate action to approve Kerr County 24 investment policy, this is pursuant to the Texas 25 Government Code 2256.005(e) and Broker/Dealer List for 116 1 Kerr County's Investment Policy in accordance with the 2 Public Funds Investment Act, Texas Government Code 3 2256.005(k). Changes to the investment policy include 4 (1) revised wording in the first paragraph on page 7 5 that applies to deliver versus payment. Tracy Soldan. 6 MRS. SOLDAN: Yes, Sir. So this is an 7 annual thing I bring this to you for approval. This 8 year there's only one change, and it just cleans up the 9 wording on the meaning of delivery versus payment in our 10 policy. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 14 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve the 15 Kerr County Investment Policy, and Broker/Dealer List 16 for Kerr County Investment Policy in accordance with the 17 Public Funds Investment Act of the Texas Government Code 18 2256.005(k). And changes to the investment policy 19 include revised wording in the first paragraph on page 7 20 that applies to delivery versus pay. 21 All right, any other comment or discussion? 22 If not, those in favor signify by raising your right 23 hands. It's three. Opposing sign, none. It passes 24 three to zero. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Commissioner Moser has left 117 1 the courtroom for a moment, but I'm sure he'll be back 2 shortly. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.28 consider, discuss and 4 take appropriate action to accept a 15-hundred dollar 5 contribution from the Rotary Club of Kerrville to share 6 in the costs of the addition of the 50 amp circuits at 7 the Show Barn. The total cost incurred by Kerr County 8 was $18,000.00. Let the record reflect Commissioner 9 Moser has just returned. All right, go ahead. 10 MRS. DOSS: Yes. Our office received a 11 check for $1,500 from the Rotary Club of Kerrville, and 12 this is to share in the cost of the 50 amp circuits at 13 the Show Barn. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the work has been 15 completed. 16 MRS. DOSS: And the work has been completed. 17 And we have paid $18,000.00, which is how much it cost, 18 so I just need approval. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move to accept the 20 donation of the Rotary Club of Kerrville in the amount 21 of 15 hundred dollars to be spent in the manner of 22 sharing on the cost of electrical upgrades at the Youth 23 Event Center. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved by Commissioner 118 1 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew to accept the 15 2 hundred dollars contribution from the Rotary Club of 3 Kerrville for sharing the cost of electrical upgrade at 4 the Show Barn? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is there any further 7 discussion or comment? There being none, those in favor 8 signify by raising your right hands. It's four zero, 9 unanimous. 10 1.29 consider, discuss and take appropriate 11 action to approve Amendment No. 1 to the salary 12 contribution agreement between A&M AgriLife Extension 13 Services and Kerr County. Brenda. 14 MRS. DOSS: Yes. This is Amendment No. 1 to 15 the salary contribution agreement between Texas A&M 16 AgriLife Extension Services and Kerr County. And what 17 this does is it increases the salary by one percent, 18 which is the same as we -- as the COLA. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's the only change 20 to the agreement? 21 MRS. DOSS: Yes. And the County Attorney 22 has reviewed this. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move that we accept 24 it. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 119 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 3 Belew, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve the 4 Amendment No. 1 to the salary contribution agreement 5 between Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Services and Kerr 6 County. Any further discussion? There being none, 7 those in favor signify by raising their right hands. 8 It's four zero, unanimous. 9 Jump over to 1.34, I think it is. Consider, 10 discuss and take appropriate action to set December 11 22nd, 2017 as the date of the Kerr County Christmas 12 party. Commissioner Reeves. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, if you will, 14 because the next item is interrelated, could you call 15 1.35 as well? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 1.35 consider, 17 discuss and take appropriate action to change payroll 18 timesheet due date from December 22nd, 2017 to December 19 21st, 2017 due to the Kerr County Christmas party. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: All right. Let me go 21 with discussing the date of the party, and then I'm 22 going to rely on Mrs. Lantz to help me a little on the 23 next part, but I wanted to be able to discuss them. 24 Looking at dates available for the County 25 employee luncheon, our building is so popular the only 120 1 Friday in December that was available was the 22nd. So 2 I've tentatively have had Jake block it out, but I need 3 Court approval for that. What will evolve by having it 4 on that day, and I'll let Dawn help me out explain the 5 timesheets and everything. 6 MRS. LANTZ: Normally payroll is due on 7 Monday, but since the Christmas holiday is on the 26th, 8 and we originally have come back on the Tuesday, but the 9 Court decided to change that to a holiday as well. 10 Pushed our payroll back to the 22nd. Well, I can do 11 payroll or help the party, but I can't do both. So I'm 12 sure everybody wants to get paid, so that's why we have 13 to push it back one day, or we just -- 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They would still be 15 paid for their time worked though? 16 MRS. LANTZ: Yeah. You're just going to 17 have to put the time in ahead of time, which we're going 18 to be paying employees for work they haven't completed 19 yet. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So those rumors about 21 you being able to be in two places at once are not true? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there any legal 23 requirement doing it ahead of time? 24 MRS. LANTZ: We did that in the past, early. 25 They're going to get paid on the regular pay date, it's 121 1 just in order to do that I can't carry it over to the 2 following week and then the Court approve payroll in 3 time for the Treasurer to get it to the bank. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So move. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So this means they get 6 paid before Christmas, but that they might lose some -- 7 MRS. LANTZ: No, no. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. 9 MRS. LANTZ: It's just the processing. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: -- money after 11 Christmas? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. It's just the 13 process. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: On the 22nd, get paid 15 on the 27th? 16 MRS. LANTZ: Right. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. We actually get 18 paid on the -- 19 MRS. LANTZ: 29th. 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- 29th. 21 MRS. LANTZ: It still has to go through 22 Court approval. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: She's gotta have 24 approval to start the payroll process a day early is 25 what it is. So first of all 1.34, I would make a motion 122 1 to have hold our Christmas party December 22nd, 2017 at 2 the Youth Event Center. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: At 11 o'clock or 4 something? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Whatever our normal 6 time is. 7 MRS. GRINSTEAD: It is typically 11:30. 8 11:30 to 1:30. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 11:30 to 1:30. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved 12 by Commissioner Reeves and seconded by -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: -- Commissioner Letz to set 15 the Christmas party on December 22nd, 2017 at the Kerr 16 County AG barn, and starting at the hours to be from 17 11:30 to 1:30, is that right? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 1:30, that is correct. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, any further 20 comment or discussion? If not, those in favor signify 21 by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 22 unanimous. 23 1.35 has already been called. You have a 24 motion on that? 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll make a motion to 123 1 change the payroll timesheet due date from December 2 22nd, 2017 to December 21st, 2017. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 5 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Letz to change the date 6 of the due date from December 22nd, 2017 to December 21, 7 2017. That's the payroll time due date. Is there any 8 further discussion? There being none, those in favor 9 signify by raising your right hands. It's unanimous, 10 four zero. 11 1.36 consider, discuss and take appropriate 12 action to change the December 27, 2017 Commissioner 13 Court meeting date to December 28th, 2017. Commissioner 14 Reeves. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, I want to pass 16 on this until we get down to another one that's 17 specified by law, so we not do anything on this until we 18 take care of 1.40. However we want to do that. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't you call 1.40 20 at the same time. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll call 1.40 22 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to 23 designate a day of the week on which the Court shall 24 convene at the regular term for the fiscal year '17 and 25 '18. The agenda package has a copy of the law in there, 124 1 the statute, that says we have to adopt this to 2 establish. That as I understand it we have to establish 3 the regular meetings are on the second and fourth 4 Mondays at 9 a.m. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Does that make this a 6 special meeting then on the Wednesday? 7 MRS. STEBBINS: Well, if they're not on the 8 day on the Monday then they're -- or if it's a holiday, 9 then it's usually the day after that, so I don't think 10 so because if the 27th is going to be a holiday then 11 their scheduled for the next business day after that, so 12 I don't think it would be a special meeting, no, Sir. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Actually, the 27th is 14 not a holiday. I was just looking at that short week if 15 we -- the 27th is a Wednesday, we've got a bill paying 16 on a Thursday, could we combine them, those two 17 meetings, but to get payroll done we'd have to have a 18 special meeting. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know why we 20 couldn't -- if we have a regular meeting scheduled we 21 can cancel it, can't we? I mean I don't know why we 22 couldn't do what you want and call it a special meeting, 23 we just can't do certain acts on that day. 24 MRS. STEBBINS: What this law requires you 25 is to have one day that is -- says you shall convene in 125 1 a regular term during the current fiscal year, and y'all 2 like to have two per month, so I don't think that it has 3 to be a special meeting, because you'll have the first 4 meeting the second Monday of the month. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So with regard to 1.40 6 we need to designate a day of the week in which the 7 Court shall convene in a regular term and can we 8 designate the second and fourth Monday of each month as 9 the day of the week which we'll convene in a regular 10 term? 11 MRS. STEBBINS: You can, yes. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Then I'll make a 13 motion to that effect. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Commissioner Reeves made 16 that motion pursuant to the section 1.40 of the agenda 17 package to designate the days he dictated into the 18 record. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The second and fourth 20 Mondays. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: The second and fourth 22 Mondays. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This is just because 24 we have to do it by law, correct? 25 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, we do. 126 1 JUDGE POLLARD: And seconded by Commissioner 2 Letz. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any 5 further discussion? If not, those in favor signify by 6 raising their right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And just to make a 8 comment. The reason for that is there's certain actions 9 that we can only do at regular meetings, there are 10 certain things we can do at special meetings. So that's 11 why we have to go through this process. 12 MRS. GRINSTEAD: So now I guess 13 clarification for Heather. Our Thursday -- weekly 14 Thursday meetings are still going to be considered 15 special meetings, correct? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm going to go back to 17 1.36. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Thank you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Consider, discuss and take 20 appropriate action to change the December 27, 2017 21 Commissioners' Court meeting date to December 28th, 22 2017. Commissioner Reeves. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I just put this on 24 because we will be closed December 25, 26, which is the 25 fourth Monday of the month, and the following Tuesday, 127 1 then do we need -- we'll have to be in session on the 2 28th. Do we want to be in session that Wednesday and 3 Thursday? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why can't we do the 5 28th stuff on the 27th? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm asking for legal. 7 MRS. STEBBINS: I think that you can combine 8 those meetings, yes. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think just have it on 10 the Thursday and just not have that second regular 11 meeting, and then just a few things we may not be able 12 to do, but we're not going to do them on that date 13 anyway. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So basically we could, 15 and -- 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But that'll be the last 17 time we meet for the year? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That is correct. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So we gotta make sure 20 there's nothing that has to be done before the end of 21 the year. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And generally that's a 23 very light agenda. Things that do not have to be done 24 before the end of the year are pushed off to the first 25 agenda in January. 128 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And Commissioner we 2 also try not to have public hearings that week because 3 so many people are out of town for the holidays it's not 4 fair to the public to have to attend a public hearing 5 like that. 6 So really no action on that. We can deal 7 with whether we need to have a meeting or not at a later 8 date. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But the 28th is 11 tentatively what we're talking about. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Gotta pay bills. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, going to 1.37 14 consider, discuss and take appropriate action regarding 15 burn ban procedures. Burning with mesh covers over 16 barrels while the burn ban is in effect. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I want to pass on that, 18 Judge. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Pass, okay. Well, my next 20 door neighbor just asked me that question yesterday. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I know. But I 22 didn't get all my homework done. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I get asked all the 24 time. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll pass on it. 129 1 1.38 consider, discuss and take appropriate 2 action regarding the nomination of a member of the 3 Appraisal District Board. Mr. Moser. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's see, I think that 5 last time I suggested we nominate Lynn -- I can't think 6 of his last name. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bradford. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bradford. And he is 9 not available for that. So in lieu of that, I would 10 like to nominate Judy Webb Smith as a candidate for the 11 Board of the Appraisal District. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Along with Mr. Lewis. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, along with Mr. 14 Lewis, right. Correct. That's my motion. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 18 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Belew to nominate -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Judy Webb Smith. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Judy Webb Smith, along with 21 Mr. Lewis as members of the Appraisal District Board. 22 Any further discussion? If not, those in favor signify 23 by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 24 unanimous. 25 1.39 consider, discuss and take appropriate 130 1 action on approval of the new copier lease for the 2 Justice of the Peace Office Precinct 1, and allow the 3 County Judge to sign same. Mitzi French, not here. 4 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Judge French wasn't able to 5 be here this morning, but it's already been reviewed by 6 the County Attorney. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is the same 8 situation? 9 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Actually a different 10 company, but it is the same, her copier has expired. 11 And I think she decided to go with Xerox. The 12 contract's there, but I don't -- 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: She came in with this 14 during the budget process, so I move that we accept 15 this. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 18 Belew, seconded by Commissioner Letz to approve the new 19 copier lease for the Justice of the Peace Office 20 Precinct 1, and authorize County Judge to sign same. 21 Any further comment or questions? If not, those in 22 favor signify by raising their right hand. Four zero, 23 unanimous. 24 Already did 1.40. 1.41 consider, discuss 25 and take appropriate action on request for the American 131 1 Red Cross to park their emergency response vehicle in 2 the courthouse parking lot for one week while the roof 3 on their building is being repaired. I think this is a 4 request that was made here, and it's in the agenda 5 package. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 9 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the 10 American Red Cross parking their emergency response 11 vehicle in the courthouse parking lot for one week while 12 the roof on their building is being repaired. Any 13 further discussion? If not, those in favor -- yes. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Just a comment. And I 15 believe the Sheriff mentioned this. This isn't part of 16 the motion, but when you left did you ask them to move 17 the van that's parked right there at the intersection 18 down a few spots? It's creating a traffic hazard. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's actually right at 20 the exit; not intersection. I've had a lot of people 21 concerned about being able to view when they pull out of 22 the courthouse parking lot, because of that old van 23 being parked thee. It's a legal city street parking, 24 but just out of courtesy from the Red Cross. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. But that's a 132 1 city street. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But as far as this, I 4 have no comment. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Does 1.41 actually 6 require a court action? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They requested our 8 permission, so I don't -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Probably don't need it, 10 but we'll do it. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a public 12 courthouse. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.42 -- 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We need to vote. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 16 signify by raising their right hand. Four zero, 17 unanimous. 18 1.42 consider, discuss and take appropriate 19 action on request from the Hill Country Crisis Council 20 to put purple bows on the large trees on the courthouse 21 grounds from October 1, 2017 through October 31st of '17 22 for domestic violence awareness month. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval of 24 and allow them to -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 133 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 2 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to approve the 3 Hill Country Crisis Council putting purple bows on the 4 large trees on the courthouse grounds for the entire 5 month of October, 2017 to indicate domestic violence 6 awareness month. Any further discussion? There being 7 none, those in favor signify by raising their right 8 hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 9 1.43 consider, discuss and -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Everything else is in 11 executive. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're going to go 13 into executive session now under -- 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Did you want to go 15 through the reports and all of that, Judge? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's go to 4.1 pay the 17 bills. 18 MRS. DOSS: No bills. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: No bills? 20 MRS. DOSS: No bills. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: I guess we won't pay them 22 then. 23 4.2 budget amendments. 24 MRS. DOSS: No budget amendments. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: 4.3 late bills. 134 1 MRS. DOSS: No late bills. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: 4.4 approve and accept 3 monthly reports. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. Reports 5 that are here J.P. Precinct 2, monthly report for 6 August, 2017. J.P. Precinct 3 amended monthly report, 7 August, 2017. J.P. Precinct 4 amended monthly report, 8 August 2017. Animal Services amended monthly report, 9 August, 2017. Indigent Services monthly report, August, 10 2017. Treasurer's monthly report for August, 2017. 11 County Clerk monthly report for August, 2017. 12 Move that we accept the reports as presented 13 and sign as needed. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 16 Reeves to accept the monthly reports as dictated into 17 the record, and authorize executed signature on them as 18 required. It was seconded by Commissioner Letz. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, Sir. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there any further comment 21 or discussion? There being none, those in favor signify 22 by raising your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 23 All right. Reports from Commissioners or 24 Liaison Committee assignments? Nobody. 25 Any reports from elected officials or 135 1 department heads? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just to thank you for 3 the work y'all did on the budget, especially the 4 Auditor. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: 5.3 reports from boards, 6 commissions and committees. City/County joint projects 7 or operations reports, or other reports. Anybody? 8 All right. Now we're going to go into 9 closed session. 10 (Executive Session.) 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're back in 12 open session on item 1.45, is it? 13 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Question I have probably 15 to Brian, or one of the two. In the budget -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: KEDC budget. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: KEDC budget. The -- I 18 guess the request is -- I'm confused, if there's a 19 reserve fund at KEDC, and if so why? 20 MR. O'CONNOR: Yes, there is a reserve fund. 21 At the end of this fiscal year it's projected to be 22 about 107, $108,000.00. The reason being it goes back a 23 few years. At that point in time we had lost a business 24 called Triangle Pump, only because they had come, they 25 had looked at Kerrville, everything was right about 136 1 Kerrville; the only problem was we didn't have the 2 building inventory necessary, so they didn't want to 3 wait to complete a construction cycle. 4 At that point in time KEDC along with its 5 executive director said look we need to go into this 6 building business, we need to. And we went to Hewitt 7 Engineering, we identified a piece of property along the 8 Airport Loop in fact, and said what would it cost to put 9 up a 20 thousand square foot building, which is at that 10 point in time where they saw was a void within the 11 market. When I came on board -- and that never 12 happened. But we started accumulate funding with that 13 purpose in mind. 14 When I came along -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So at the time the 16 purpose of the funding was for the KEDC to have funds to 17 build? 18 MR. O'CONNOR: For spec construction, right. 19 MS. METCALF: Wait. If I can interject, I'm 20 sorry. So those funds were not to build the building; 21 those funds were to put in specific line items, such as 22 feasibility studies, economic impact studies, 23 environmental studies, so it was not actually to go out 24 and work with a construction company and actually build 25 those and have KEDC buy them. 137 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me be very, very 2 clear for the record. KEDC never approved building a 3 spec building. 4 MS. METCALF: No. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just to do a study. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I guess my 7 question is then comes down to budgeting, and I looked 8 at the agreement, which I'll put it on an agenda because 9 it needs to be redone, because there is -- regarding 10 budgeting and y'all's financial responsibility, there's 11 about this much in a three-page agreement. Every other 12 entity that we fund, we get the money back at the end of 13 the year that you don't use, and this one doesn't 14 mention. 15 Now, a let of times if there's a reason we 16 will say, like with for instance we say hey they want to 17 build a new building. Yeah, use that excess and put it 18 in a fund for that, and we can approve that with a lot 19 of them. But the agreement with KEDC is silent on that, 20 and you know I have a problem with when, you know, we're 21 in the budget strains that we're in, KEDC keeping a 22 hundred thousand dollar reserve. Granted, only if it 23 comes back we get 11 percent of that. But that's just 24 a -- that's why I wanted to ask that, because I've been 25 confused about what -- 138 1 MR. O'CONNOR: Yeah, the contract really 2 only addresses if KEDC is defunct or void, everybody 3 gets back their part on a pro rata basis, yeah. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that needs to be 5 addressed as to what is done with that excess, and the 6 contributing entities need to get an option, and they 7 vote on what's done with it; not KEDC deciding to -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Or in addition 9 to that problem, and I think it's a good point -- 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I agree. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In addition to that 12 there probably should be part of the budget identified a 13 reserve for the kind of things that Brian's talking 14 about for this kind of stuff, to be able to strike while 15 the iron's hot and have the funds to do it. 16 Let me make a case in point. When I was 17 running economic development for the State for 18 aerospace, I had a little reserve, and an opportunity 19 came along to see if The State of Texas could be a 20 spaceport, okay, for reasonable launch vehicles, 21 commercial. But we had to do a quick study, a 90 22 thousand dollar study to see if you could in fact launch 23 things without killing people. And had we not done that 24 we couldn't have gotten legislation passed that year, 25 and we did, and now there's spaceports in Texas and a 139 1 space safe to launch it. So you have to have a reserve, 2 and I think that's not included in the current budget of 3 having a reserve to do that. 4 MS. METCALF: We actually have a line item 5 for contingency. And obviously those -- that's where we 6 would utilize any of that money again for any economic 7 impacts that are outside of what we expect to do. Also, 8 Commissioner Letz, to directly answer one of your other 9 questions is why do we have an even larger amount of 10 reserve than we would have, and we have talked about 11 this in public as far as with the EIC, but we did have 12 an executive director for a 3 pay period. Also Brian 13 and I have chosen not to travel outside of the region 14 for conferences, or for workshops, or to network really 15 outside until we had built our relationships here 16 locally, and so those were expenses that we did not 17 utilize during this fiscal year. 18 But moving forward we obviously with the 19 package we would be traveling outside of the region in 20 order to network and recruit businesses to come in. 21 MR. O'CONNOR: We have been very, very 22 frugal with taxpayer dollars. Let me give you an 23 example. When I first got here we had a website. We 24 didn't like the website, or at least me personally, it 25 wasn't very interactive, it wasn't business friendly, it 140 1 didn't give the kind of messages that we needed to be 2 able to be competitive. We had spent $9,000.00 on 3 developing a website. Others have done this before. We 4 scrapped that completely. We rebuilt it in-house with 5 the talents of mostly of Miss Metcalf. We relaunched, 6 and we did that for 50 dollars. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Teresa did all of that? 8 MR. O'CONNOR: Well, I feel Teresa -- 9 MS. METCALF: It actually has not launched, 10 but you have the -- 11 THE REPORTER: One at a time, please. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The mechanics of it. 13 MR. O'CONNOR: We launch at the end of this 14 week in fact. And it's the kind of tool that makes us 15 more competitive. So you do things like over and over, 16 and you will amass some savings. 17 Now, we had gone from what we thought was 18 going to be a spec building concept to a build to suit, 19 so we're not putting taxpayer dollars at risk. But we 20 will need some money to be able to negotiate at the 21 table to move projects to the next level. And it's 22 really imperative that you have that kind of money to be 23 able to do that. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess I'm very 25 concerned about an appointed board having a lot of 141 1 leeway on tax dollars, that's my concern. We don't give 2 it to any other board that we fund. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A leeway on tax dollars 4 and -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, if they're talking 6 about they have this contingency that they can use, we 7 can't go into our reserves and do something during the 8 year, but an entity that we're funding can. That to 9 me -- I just have an issue with that. You need to 10 budget. If you want to and then set up line items and a 11 part of it's going to be doing some sort of planning for 12 a certain building or something put it in your budget, 13 and have it realistic, and have it there, because 14 there's no reason why we should fund $24,500.00 when you 15 got a reserve of a 104,000 -- or a 107,000 unless you 16 truly need it. 17 Now if you need it that's one thing, but I 18 haven't seen one thing that says you need it. And I'm 19 pro economic development, and I'm pro for what you do. 20 I think y'all are doing a good job. But I am unhappy 21 with the lack of information that comes from KEDC. And 22 I know you're new, Brian, or relatively new. 23 MR. O'CONNOR: Well, 11 months so, yeah. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You don't sound like 25 you're very happy with the information you did get. 142 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, any way I just 2 want -- I mean it's an important thing, and it always 3 has been important to me, and I -- you know I think that 4 coming down here and working with us and talking to us 5 and explaining will improve the economic development, 6 and keep us in the loop. 7 MR. O'CONNOR: I completely agree. And if 8 to your dissatisfaction my apologies, and it will be 9 changed. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then one other 11 dissatisfaction. It doesn't affect you, I looked down 12 here. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Hold on, I'm keeping 14 notes. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm concerned about an 16 article in the paper, and that's why I want to bring it 17 up. It's the Kerrville Daily Times is the paper I'm 18 talking about, and they frequently get things wrong. 19 But they quoted that at a committee meeting forum that 20 Mr. Moser's been appointed to, and the sole purpose of 21 that committee being formulated is to avoid the Open 22 Meetings Act. If that is true, which the paper has said 23 is a quote from Mr. Early, I'll make a motion that we 24 will not participate in that. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that is not the 143 1 purpose of that. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's what it said. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I can't help what 4 Kerrville Daily Times did. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, no, no. He quoted 6 it. Did he say it? He said it at a meeting that I was 7 at, Commissioner. And then he said it evidently again. 8 And if he said that that's the purpose of it is to -- 9 the reason for forming the committee with three of the 10 members that did was to avoid the Open Meetings Act. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: As a member of that 12 committee that's not the purpose of it. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do you want to read 14 what's in the paper, what's quoted? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. I don't care 16 what's in the paper. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. I want 18 clarification that he did not say that. And if not, I 19 want to make a motion that you are not to represent this 20 Court. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm saying as a 22 committee member, okay, of the KEDC Board, that is not 23 the purpose of that committee. The purpose of that 24 committee is to look at the process with which KEDC and 25 EIC communicate and work, and how they process things, 144 1 and how we -- one of the subjects that this can be a 2 discussion of, contingency funds or the very things that 3 we've just been talking about. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Early suggested only 5 having three EIC members on the subcommittee in order to 6 avoid public meetings. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, the way to handle 8 it is to look at the minutes of the meeting; not trust 9 the paper. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I know that. But 11 he said -- but Early said that at the meeting I was 12 present at. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I will assure you 14 the KEDC Board can meet with it, KEDC has got three 15 members on the committee, okay. EIC has got three 16 members on the committee, and if they want to do that 17 for their purpose, EIC can -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's an open meeting 19 thing, Commissioner, and I'm not going to let this 20 county -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's in EIC, that has 22 nothing to do with the county. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're part of the 24 committee, Commissioner. I do not want this County 25 participating in an illegal meeting, the purpose to 145 1 avoid the open meetings act. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It may be an illegal 3 meeting for EIC; it's not for KEDC. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I don't -- why are 5 you even there then? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I want to be 7 there. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: County attorney -- 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Counselor, can you 10 look into that, because I feel that I don't want to be 11 an accessory to something that happens. I guess -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You can't control what 13 EIC's doing. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You can control what 15 meetings you go to and if it's an illegal meeting. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If it's illegal from 17 their perspective, I don't care. Okay? 18 MS. METCALF: Actually that was already 19 addressed in the EIC meeting, and Mike Hayes actually 20 said that any -- all of what was said, he did not -- 21 there was not a red flag, there was nothing that -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I also serve on the 23 water development board from the State, and the Attorney 24 General has ruled that any committee that has 25 deliberations is subject to the Open Meetings Act, 146 1 period. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On that subject I would 3 like to know more what goes on in the water boards, too. 4 I never hear anything. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're public, they're 6 posted. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but I mean I want 8 you to bring them to here and -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why? I don't represent 10 this Court on that Board. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, all right. But 12 anyway if EIC, according to the City Attorney, is not in 13 violation, if the EIC wants to violate it I don't care 14 what EIC does. But KEDC, a member of that subcommittee 15 is not in violation of anything, and I'm on that 16 subcommittee and I'm going to participate. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. Well that's 18 going to register my vote when it comes to doing this 19 funding, because I don't think you should participate. 20 MS. METCALF: Can I also say that the open 21 meetings -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 23 MS. METCALF: No? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sit down. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: She can say something. 147 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, are there minutes 2 from the meeting that where this committee was put 3 together? 4 MR. O'CONNOR: From the EIC-KEDC meeting -- 5 MS. METCALF: Yes. 6 MR. O'CONNOR: Yes, there was. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: If there are minutes we 8 can see we'll -- 9 MRS. STEBBINS: The context of the 10 conversation. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just notes; no 12 transcript. 13 MR. O'CONNOR: Actually it should be 14 publicly posted on EIC's website. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: They have a transcript 16 of all the meeting? 17 MR. O'CONNOR: I don't know if it's actually 18 a transcription, but -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I didn't think that 21 they wanted -- 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What I would like to 23 know from the County Attorney is the exposure if in fact 24 it is an illegal meeting, what exposure this County 25 might have if we participated in it? 148 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Something would -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If it's illegal for 3 EIC. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's final. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In its deliberations, if 6 the purpose of the meeting is deliberations as to how 7 the future of economic development -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In their discussion. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Deliberations. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I'm going to yield 11 to what the County Attorney determines. 12 MR. O'CONNOR: Just a point of fact here. 13 The discussions between the 3 KEDC and EIC board members 14 were to then be made available to the subcommittee for 15 economic development that is looking at the city's 16 comprehensive plan, and that whole process is completely 17 public, or open to the public, so -- 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I guess my part -- 19 I'm not taking it as hardline of a stance as my 20 colleague here, but if our legal feels that we are 21 exposed then I will take an equal hardline on exposure. 22 MRS. STEBBINS: Okay, I'll have a look. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 24 MRS. STEBBINS: And isn't that meeting on 25 that YouTube channel? 149 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: EIC is, but KEDC is 2 not. And the subcommittee I doubt if it'll be on 3 YouTube. 4 MRS. STEBBINS: But the meeting where 5 Mr. Early may have said that. I don't know what the 6 context was. 7 MS. METCALF: That was in the conference 8 center at the Chamber, so it was not videod like the 9 other EIC. 10 MR. O'CONNOR: Just a point of clarification 11 is that activity report, is this acceptable to the 12 Court? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's good. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I think so. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I compliment you on 16 that. That's opened me up to what is going to, and I 17 appreciate that. 18 MR. O'CONNOR: Yeah, my apologies. I mean 19 it's -- you know, it's pertinent that companies be able 20 to trust me and talk to me, whether or not I agree with 21 their projects or not, I package them, I try to get them 22 before the decision makers. And so they know I don't -- 23 I'm not a decision maker in terms of saying yes or no. 24 So I'll work with things like Gateway and try to make it 25 the best project that it is. 150 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This is not an issue -- 2 this same subject matter is not an issue between the 3 City and County, but the catalyst that brought all this 4 to a head is Councilman Baroody wants to bring KEDC 5 under the umbrella of the City, he wants it to be a City 6 operation. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's not true. He 8 just told me -- he's told me that is not true. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did you read the 10 Kerrville Daily Times? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. That's not what he 12 told me. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what he said. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, he didn't. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: He did. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He did not say that in 17 the paper. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In the other paper he 19 did. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, he didn't. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, he did. He wants 22 to save money by having Brian an employee of the City, 23 and Teresa, and provide them office space. Well, it is 24 true. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's not what he said. 151 1 I've told the Mayor and I've told Baroody that I would 2 never go for anything like that that puts KEDC under the 3 City, or any economic development corporation under the 4 city control. They agree. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They came to KEDC Board 6 meeting, okay? The City Manager did, and he says 7 there's some ways we can save money, and if we can 8 provide the office space, we can provide all the 9 benefits and all this kind of stuff, and instead of 10 being, you know, twenty-four five for that portion of 11 the City, we can save that money, period. That's what 12 they said. Now, wait, let me finish. So that was the 13 catalyst for this whole discussion. 14 Now, if somebody that wants to open a 15 business at the Divide or at Center Point, outside of 16 Center Point, wants to open a business and this is under 17 the auspices of the city, that's not going to work. The 18 people are not going to want to go into the City and -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's not what they 20 want to do, Commissioner, so why are we even talking 21 about it. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Because that's what was 23 proposed by the City Manager, Jonathan. I listened to 24 him, I was there. Sorry you weren't. It was a KEDC 25 board meeting. 152 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maybe we should 2 alternate who goes. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. Maybe we 4 shouldn't. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll discuss that at 6 the first of the year then. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good deal. Same 8 way for water, Jonathan. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't do water. I'm 10 appointed by the Governor for that, Commissioner. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You're not a liaison 12 for water -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. Well, I'm a 14 liaison, yeah. It doesn't have anything to do -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, this liaison 16 member never knows what you're doing. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I announce evert time I 18 have a Region J meeting. You never choose to go. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, we have a 20 meeting. Okay. 21 MR. O'CONNOR: Thank you. I appreciate your 22 time. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Really, Commissioner. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We're going to 25 go back into closed session now, and finish up the other 153 1 things. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Now that you've seen 3 how the sausage is made. 4 (Executive Session.) 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Let's come back into 6 open session then. We got what, two things, 44 and 46? 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. You want to take 8 1.44 first? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't believe there's 10 any action there. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: No, there was no 12 action. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There was no action. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Unfortunately. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: If you'd call 1.46, 16 Judge, we'd appreciate it. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.46 consider, 18 discuss and take appropriate action regarding personnel 19 matters in the Environmental Health and Animal Services 20 Department. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. I'd like to 22 make a motion to appoint Reagan Givens as Director of 23 Animal Services and Solid Waste Law Enforcement as well 24 as being the local rabies control officer, and to set 25 his salary at $55,000.00 per year, and that would be 154 1 effective today, if it can be. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Do you second? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I second. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I'm not going to repeat that 6 motion, you just said it into the record. Any kind of 7 further discussion about it? If not then those in favor 8 of the motion signify by raising your right hands. It's 9 four zero, unanimous. 10 I'd like to thank Commissioner Letz and 11 Commissioner Reeves for all they've done on this. A lot 12 of good effort here. Sure looks like we're going the 13 right way. 14 MRS. STEBBINS: Congratulations. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further business for 16 Commissioners' Court? All right, we are adjourned. 17 Thank you. 18 * * * * * * 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 155 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County Commissioners' Court, do 6 hereby certify that the above and foregoing pages 7 contain and comprise a true and correct transcription of 8 the proceedings had in the above-entitled Commissioners' 9 Court. 10 Dated this the 7th day of November, A.D. 11 2017. 12 13 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 No. 953 Expiration Date 12/31/2018 15 * * * * * * 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25