1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, November 27, 2017 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3. 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Commissioners' Comments. 5 4 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 7 action on request to use courthouse lawn 5 for a Sanctity of Human Life peaceful gathering on Sunday, January 21, 2018 6 from 2:00 p.m. - 3:00 p.m. 7 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 9 action for the Court to approve an 8 Alternate Plat for Laurel Canyon Estates. 9 1.4 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 11 action to approve the submission of a 10 Hazard Mitigation Grant Application to address County drainage issues at Center 11 Point and River Road and to commence procurement of a consultant and engineer 12 to develop the application and implement contingent upon award. 13 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 21 14 action on request to use courthouse grounds on November 11, 2018 for a Veteran's Day 15 Ceremony. 16 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 action to modify Court Order #35967 to 17 reflect Commissioner Belew and Commissioner Moser as the liaisons for the Information 18 Technology Department. 19 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 27 action on request to occasionally set up a 20 shoe shine stand on the courthouse grounds. 21 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 29 action to modify Court Order #36033 22 (March 13, 2017). 23 24 25 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 31 action on Resolution recognizing January 4 21-27, 2018 as Kerr County School Choice Week. 5 1.10 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 35 6 action to ratify and confirm Field Agreement with the U.S. Department of 7 Agriculture, Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service, Texas Wildlife Damage Management 8 Association and Kerr County (Trapper contract). 9 1.12 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 39 10 action to authorize the County Auditor's office to prepare compiled financial 11 statements and/or perform audit regarding Emergency Services District #1(ESD #1) and 12 Emergency Services District #2(ESD #2). 13 1.13 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 42 action to approve contracts with Ingram 14 Volunteer Fire Department and Tierra Linda Volunteer Fire Department and allow the 15 County Judge to sign same. 16 1.14 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 43 action to approve the Kerr County Retiree 17 Health Care Plan Actuarial Valuation Reports as of December 31, 2016. 18 1.15 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 46 19 action to ratify and confirm the audits required by Article 59.06 of he Code of 20 Criminal Procedure and the Fiscal Year 2017, Chapter 59 Asset Forfeiture Reports 21 for 198th District Attorney, the 216th District Attorney, and the Kerr County 22 Sheriff. 23 1.11 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 48 action to approve Interlocal Agreement 24 between Kerr County and Upper Guadalupe River Authority (UGRA) regarding Feral Hog 25 Management Program, and authorize the County Judge to sign same. 4 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 4.1 Pay bills. 53 4 4.2 Budget Amendments. 55 5 4.3 Late Bills. 55 6 4.4 Approve and accept Monthly Reports. 55 7 4.5 Auditor's Reports. 56 8 5.1 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison 56 Committee Assignments as per attachment. 9 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department 57 10 Heads. 11 5.3 Reports from Boards, Commissions and 57 Committees. 12 a). City/County Joint Projects or Operations Reports 13 b). Other 14 1.17 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 59 action on reorganization of the 15 Environmental Health Department. 16 1.18 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 61 action on posting Manager position for 17 the Maintenance Department. 18 1.19 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 62 action to term-Retiree employee's benefits 19 from County Choice Silver Retiree Medical/RX Supplemental for non-payment. 20 *** Adjournment. 66 21 *** Reporter's Certificate. 67 22 * * * * * * 23 24 25 5 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's 9 a.m. It's 2 Monday, November the 27th, 2017. Kerr County 3 Commissioners' Court is in session. We'll begin with 4 Mr. Moser's leading us with the prayer this morning. 5 (Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.) 6 JUDGE POLLARD: This is the part of the 7 agenda where the public can come forward to speak on 8 something that is not on the agenda. If anyone desires 9 to do that then please come to the body come, identify 10 yourself by name and address, and try to limit yourself 11 to three minutes. Is there anyone wishing to speak on 12 something not on the agenda? 13 All right, there being no one we'll now go 14 to comments by the Commissioners and County Judge. 15 We'll start with Mr. Belew. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: All 12 grandkids at the 17 house for Thanksgiving. My wife is the perfect hostess, 18 even had us all sit across from people we didn't 19 necessarily want to talk to, and everybody had an 20 assigned seating. 21 On a serious note, and I'm thankful for 22 that, I witnessed over the weekend a death on the road, 23 didn't see it actually happen. Came up on it right 24 afterwards and just want to remind everybody please hit 25 the deer; don't swerve to avoid the deer. There's 6 1 plenty more where that came from, hit the deer. A roll 2 over out there on 16. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Mr. Moser. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Same thing, same thing. 5 My grandson swerved and missed a deer, hit a tree head 6 on, and this was sometime ago, broke his leg, totalled 7 his car. So people, I guess it's just a natural 8 tendency to do that. 9 On animals, over the weekend and the past 10 week, I went out to the Dog Park down at Flat Rock Park 11 several times. That place is absolutely perfect. And I 12 just want to compliment the Maintenance Department -- I 13 mean it looks beautiful, that whole park does. So 14 somebody stopped me last summer, I think, and said they 15 travel all over the United States, and they have a dog 16 and they go to dog parks. They said that's by far the 17 best Dog Park in the nation. So anyway, if everybody 18 gets a chance, it's just a fabulous place. So that's 19 all. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I don't have 21 anything. Mr. Letz. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just Christmas in 23 Comfort was a big success. Beautiful weather over the 24 weekend, lots of people attended. Had a great holiday, 25 and another holiday's right around the corner. 7 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Following the 2 Christmas thing as you were talking about that Ingram 3 has their lighted parade this Saturday night. And 4 Harley, we had a houseful, and I had both of the Aggie 5 kids home, my future son in law that went to that school 6 in Austin, and future daughter-in-law that went to 7 Baylor Law School, and all of the teams lost the 8 football games, so it wasn't real happy this weekend 9 after football. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, there's one that did 11 win, Tivy. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Tivy did win and 13 they're playing again, so that's good. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Playing Saturday in the 15 Alamo Bowl in San Antonio, and they're playing Calallen 16 who's 12 and O. 17 All right, let's to go item 1.1 on the 18 agenda, consider, discuss and take appropriate action on 19 request to use courthouse lawn for a Sanctity of Human 20 Life peaceful gathering on Sunday, January 21st, 2018 21 from 2 to 3 p.m. Lainie Johnson. How are you today? 22 MS. JOHNSON: I'm wonderful. How are you? 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 24 MS. JOHNSON: We would like to request use 25 of the courthouse lawn for one hour from 2 to 3 to 8 1 memorialize the 58.6 million babies aborted since 1973 2 in the United States. That's just in the United States. 3 We do what we can to prevent an abortion, but we do 4 still believe legally she has that choice. We just want 5 to do everything we can to help a woman know that she 6 has other options, and we will provide these other 7 options as may be needed. But this memorial service is 8 for the 58.6 million that we weren't able to rescue. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you very much. Any 11 questions? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 15 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve use of 16 courthouse lawn for the Sanctity of Human Life peaceful 17 gathering on Sunday, January 21, 2018 from 2 p.m. to 3 18 p.m. Is there any further comment or discussion? 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'm all for that 100 20 percent, but did we ever establish the policy about 21 identifying certain areas, certain times for various 22 things on the courthouse? 23 JUDGE POLLARD: No, but there's a workshop 24 planned after the first of the year -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, okay. 9 1 JUDGE POLLARD: -- to determine that. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. That was my only 3 question. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Several workshops maybe, who 5 knows. All right, any further questions or comments? 6 If not, those in favor of the motion signify by raising 7 your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. One 8 abstention, myself. 9 1.2 on the agenda, consider, discuss and 10 take appropriate action for the Court to approve an 11 alternate plat for Laurel Canyon Estates, which is 12 situated in Precinct 4. Mr. Hastings. 13 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. The concept plan 14 Laurel Canyon Estates was approved in January of 2017 15 with court order 35978. Laurel Canyon Estates is 16 12-acre, 4 lot subdivision, with lots ranging from 2 to 17 5.69 acres, and a privately maintained unimproved road 18 per the approved concept plan. The alternate plat 19 process was approved by Commissioner Reeves Precinct 4. 20 The lots will be served by water -- with water by Aqua 21 Texas, who has extended the water services to all the 22 lots. Each lot will have its own onsite septic 23 facility. Portions of lot 3 are in the Flood Zone A; 24 however, there is adequate space for a home without 25 getting into Zone A when they build over there. The 10 1 construction plans were prepared by Four Winds 2 Engineering, LLC, and approved by the County Engineer on 3 April 13th, 2017. The improvements include the 4 extension of the privately maintained unpaved road Aspen 5 Way, with construction of a cul-de-sac, and upgraded 6 replacement of an existing culvert that was draining Lot 7 4 to Lot 3 under Aspen Way. Construction was performed 8 by Master's Construction. The materials and road 9 density testing was performed by Rock Engineering, all 10 testing passed, and the improvements were built in 11 accordance with the approved construction plan. 12 The County Engineer requests that the Court 13 approve the alternate plat of Laurel Canyon Estates, 14 Precinct 4. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Mr. Hastings, if I 16 understand it everything has been followed according to 17 our guidelines? 18 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And all construction 20 met your professional opinion has been met? 21 MR. HASTINGS: That's correct. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move for approval of 23 the plat as known as Laurel Canyon Estates. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 11 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 2 Reeves, and I heard two seconds. All right, Mr. Belew, 3 seconded by Mr. Belew to approve the alternate plat for 4 Laurel Canyon Estates situated in Precinct 4 pursuant to 5 item 1.2. on today's agenda. Is there any further 6 comment or discussion? There being none, those in favor 7 signify by raising your right hands. It's four zero, 8 unanimous. One abstention, myself. 9 All right, let's go to item 1.3. I have a 10 note on here that says to pass on this item, this come 11 from Jody. 12 MR. HASTINGS: I'd just like to explain 13 that. The applicant has withdrawn their request to 14 revise their plat, but we'd already had this advertised 15 that we would have a public hearing at this time. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, okay. Thank you. 17 MR. HASTINGS: You're welcome. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: We'll go on to item 1.4 19 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 20 the submission of a hazard mitigation grant application 21 to address the County drainage issues at Center Point 22 and River Road, and to commence procurement of a 23 consultant and engineer to develop the application and 24 implement contingent upon award. Mr. Moser and Mr. 25 Hastings. 12 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me start that, if I 2 may. Just to remind the Court this was on the last 3 Court agenda. We didn't have a resolution so we have 4 the Resolution here. But basically the issue is water 5 moving from the north across Highway 27 and it's flooded 6 in the past at several places and closed the road, 7 including flooding Center Point, so the highway 8 department is planning to revise their drainage and get 9 the water across Highway 27 so it doesn't flood, and we 10 have to take it from -- we, the County, have to get it 11 from there to the river. And so there's some flood 12 mitigation things that we need to take on, it's about a 13 one and a half million dollar project. And this is to 14 approve an application for grant for that. Looked like 15 we're going to have to do it in two phases. Now we do 16 it in one single phase just because of hurricane Harvey 17 and the Presidential Disaster Declaration there, and 18 Kerr County was a part of that. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: That means we can apply for 20 the whole thing to do it in one phase instead of having 21 to do it in two phases. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's correct. And 23 there will be no funding out of this year, and will be 24 in next year we'd have to the approve the funding for -- 25 however, there's a three thousand dollar application 13 1 service fee from GrantWorks to do this, and I thought we 2 had this in the budget. Brenda reminded me we did not 3 put this in the budget, so if we approve it three 4 thousand dollars would have to come out of the budget, 5 and probably have to come out of contingency, so -- and 6 the engineering on that, Charlie, you want to speak to 7 that -- 8 MR. HASTINGS: Sure. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- the hydraulic and 10 aspects of the application. 11 MR. HASTINGS: I think what we've got at 12 this point as far as engineering goes, we don't have 13 construction drawings and we don't have survey drawings 14 that would show easements and how much, but those are 15 the things that would need to be funded as part of this 16 grant, would be a engineer to finalize some construction 17 plans. TxDOT'S Engineer when they put together plans 18 for Highway 27, they did an overall view of well, if we 19 build our culverts on Highway 27 at this size, and this 20 size ditch needs to take it to the river, and that's the 21 level of engineering that's been done at this point, 22 which is good enough to turn in for the application. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That is my point, for 24 the application we don't need to spend anything on the 25 engineering. 14 1 MR. HASTINGS: No, Sir. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If the grant is 3 approved then you have in the budget -- I mean you have 4 in the projected cost, the engineering cost which I 5 think was at 8 percent or something in the total 6 project. 7 MR. HASTINGS: That's right. 8 MRS. DOSS: I have a question. So if it is 9 approved that means that the local match is $375,000.00 10 will come out of next year's budget. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It will be next year's, 12 right. 13 MRS. DOSS: So we would be bound to put that 14 in the budget if we -- 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In next year's budget. 16 MRS. DOSS: -- accept the -- okay. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, next year's 18 budget, right. And we'll know whether or not we receive 19 a grant at that time, so I -- go ahead. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So I have a question. 21 The $3,000.00, is it what -- what I think I'm hearing 22 you say it's going to be more than that. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 24 MR. HASTINGS: No. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's it, that's the 15 1 whole -- 2 MR. HASTINGS: That's for the grant 3 application. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's the grant 6 application for -- 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And engineering. 8 MR. HASTINGS: Just the grant application. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, you mentioned 10 some more engineering. 11 MR. HASTINGS: That would need to come if we 12 get the project award. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Comes out of the grant 14 money? 15 MR. HASTINGS: Correct. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, right. So just 17 to make it clear, we have a Resolution in the package. 18 I'm not going to read it right now, but submit it for 19 the record, but basically it says to authorize a grant 20 administrator for the application and engineering 21 services, and to apply for the grant, and this would be 22 $3,000.00 to pay for the grant application for the 23 administration services, and that would have to come out 24 of contingency, so that's my motion. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 16 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 2 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the 3 submission of an application for a grant pursuant to a 4 resolution that is in the agenda package -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It is. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: -- to address the County 7 drainage issues at Center Point and River Road, to 8 commence procurement of a consultant and engineer to 9 develop the application and implement contingent upon 10 award, that being GrantWorks. All right, is there any 11 further comment or discussion? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a comment. And I 13 just want to on something that was said -- Brenda said, 14 I believe. I don't see this as a commitment for that 15 money for next year. 16 MRS. DOSS: Right. Only if -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And there's no 18 commitment -- 19 MRS. DOSS: But if we accept the grant it 20 would be a commitment. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But that would 22 be a budget decision during the budget. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. And on that, 24 we have one other correction. The resolution has 25 Janette Pieper(Piper) as the County Clerk. We need to 17 1 change that, so that would be the only other 2 modification. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I modify that is her name is 4 Janette Pieper(Peeper). 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How soon we forget. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Question for Charlie 7 or Commissioner Moser. Is the work on 27 a for-sure 8 thing that TxDOT is going to be doing? 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think it was 10 supposed to -- I think it was supposed to -- I think it 11 goes on the bid package this fall, okay, or should be 12 out now. It will not be this year; it will be next 13 year, but it's as sure as anything. Now then should the 14 State take away funds because of all the other damage 15 from hurricanes and all that kind of stuff, that could 16 happen. It was delayed a year from last year to this 17 year on putting out for bid, so -- 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And why I ask that is 19 that information that's come out of AACOG they're 20 fighting for the rural counties to get some funding from 21 TxDOT, and about the only thing I've seen in their list 22 is someplace up off 87, in your neck of the woods. Do 23 you know, or anybody know anything else on that? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I haven't -- I mean I'm 25 not sure what they've actually -- you know, what they've 18 1 put out for contract. Is there a -- I'm following up on 2 that. Is there a time sensitive that -- I mean I hate 3 to throw away $3,000.00 if it's not going to be done by 4 TxDOT? 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think this 6 is -- and Charlie can correct me here if I'm wrong, but 7 I think this was the local TxDOT'S highest priority. 8 All engineering is done, okay, they've paid for it. It 9 was like I said it was in the request last year and they 10 moved it to this year. Now, if that moves again, I 11 don't know. Those things happen is the same thing that 12 we do, so I don't think we have the visibility right now 13 to stay that -- we could -- before we submit that 14 application we can get an update from TxDOT. 15 MR. HASTINGS: Well, and I'll also say that 16 the application for the $3,000.00 that it's due in 17 February of 2018, February 25th. So if we're going to 18 apply for funds that were a result of the Presidential 19 Declaration from the latest hurricane, that's the 20 deadline. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 22 MR. HASTINGS: That's what we're up against. 23 But what Commissioner Reeves is bringing up, and he 24 forwarded that to me, I kind of glanced at it and it 25 looked like the only thing they got funded in the San 19 1 Antonio District for TxDOT was something -- it wasn't 2 Highway 27, so I'm not confident that Highway 27 is 3 going to get bid in the fall like TxDOT was 4 anticipating, the fall of next year. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And that's my concern, 6 too, I don't want to throw three thousand to this if 7 TxDOT'S not going to be able to do the work. Drawing 8 three thousand from contingency this early in the budget 9 cycle, so I feel it would be prudent to wait. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well -- 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, let me ask you a 12 question about the engineering. How long is that good 13 for. Let's say we get bumped down, something comes up 14 in there and it doesn't happen for a little while? 15 MR. HASTINGS: How long do we have to spend 16 the funds from the hurricane declaration with the 17 applications. I'm guessing here. I think you have 18 about a year, a year and a half, maybe two years at most 19 to spend that money. But we are talking about we're the 20 low end of this drainage problem, so if we fix that 21 drainage problem today, it's going to benefit the area, 22 and then TxDot ties into it. There's a benefit to us to 23 move forward with it as far as timing. It doesn't 24 necessarily have to be timed with TxDOT. I think what 25 we wanted to is have it -- is our stuff done preferably 20 1 before TxDOT does their stuff would be the best, because 2 what they're going to do they're going to build it, and 3 if we're not ready they're going to block it off. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: My point in asking that 5 is this has to be done, it needs to be dealt with, and 6 we're going to need engineering to go with it. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that's a good 8 point, Charlie, that we were a bit behind the curve when 9 TxDOT was going to do it last year. They were going to 10 literally block the increase in culvert sizes, okay, so 11 it didn't go down in flood areas to the south of Highway 12 27. So now with that, and even if -- that's a good 13 point, Charlie. If Highway 27 improvement's not made, 14 then we get our work done, at least we're there ready 15 whenever they do it, so I think it's worth $3,000.00 16 right now to get this. 17 And another thing is if we don't act in a 18 timely way with the Presidential Declaration, okay, then 19 we have to wait for the next Presidential Disaster 20 Declaration, which who knows when that would ever come. 21 And so right now -- we were going to have to do it in 22 two phases, because the FEMA grants were not adequate to 23 support it. Now with this Harvey Declaration we have -- 24 we can do it all in one phase, so -- it's not a 25 complicated thing, it's just some easements and cleaning 21 1 up some stuff. Probably some acquisitions of drainage 2 right-of-way, and that kind of thing, and as Charlie 3 says detailed engineering, picking up what TxDOT did 4 demonstrate for us, so that's my motion. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Charlie, you feel we 6 could -- even if TxDOT doesn't do anything, as our 7 Engineer you feel like this needs to be done? 8 MR. HASTINGS: Yes: 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, any further 10 comments or questions? If not, those in favor of the 11 motion signify by raise your right hands. It's four 12 zero, unanimous. 13 All right, 1.5. This is to consider, 14 discuss and take appropriate action on request to use 15 courthouse grounds on November 11, 2018 for Veterans Day 16 ceremony. This is a request from Alan Hill, who 17 operates out at the old armory, and he was planning to 18 ask for the use of courthouse grounds to do it for this 19 immediate past veterans ceremony but he had a letter on 20 his desk that he was supposed to send to us, and 21 something got stacked on top of it, and he didn't get it 22 in time -- get it to us in time to get on the agenda 23 prior to that time. So he said look, put me on the 24 agenda for next year for the -- to use the grounds for 25 the Veterans Day ceremony, and he said it's especially 22 1 important because some kind of a hundred year ceremony 2 about the veterans, okay, so I put it on here at his 3 request. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I certainly have no 5 problem with the request. I'd like to have more details 6 of the time. I think that there needs to be some better 7 coordination on Veterans Day. Two parades that are 8 basically the same. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Cooperation. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Cooperation would 11 probably be a better word than coordination. And I 12 think that we should have something on the courthouse 13 square at the veterans memorial like Mr. Hill is talking 14 about doing. And we can either approve this, but my 15 preference would be to postpone it, and get with our 16 Veterans Service Officer, and let her try and 17 coordinate. Say we need to get this stuff organized a 18 little bit better. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So we probably still do 20 it at the courthouse whether or not the things get 21 coordinated or not, right? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, but I think it 23 needs to be the timing coordinated with other events. I 24 mean I don't want -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, November the 11th 23 1 is November 11th. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But it's not an all day 3 thing. We have events at 1:30, 2:00. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We have about four 5 competing against each other. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. And it needs to 7 be set up so that people can attend all they choose to. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, this doesn't 9 request a time. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know. That's why I 11 think they need to -- 12 JUDGE POLLARD: For your information there 13 are three veterans service officers in Kerr County. 14 One's out at the VA Hospital. And they each kind of 15 jealously do their own thing, and they haven't been 16 cooperating much. And I did try to address that issue 17 here a year or so ago, and I was not very successful in 18 getting that done. And I'm suggesting to you that you 19 may not be successful either. They do in coordinating 20 with times it's fine, that's a good idea. But because 21 of our Veterans Service Officer wants to do her own 22 thing at her own time, and Alan Hill wants to do his, 23 and they're both pretty strong personalities. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know. And I think we 25 do have some input into one of the three. 24 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, I know. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. I was at both 3 parades. I think other members of the Court were as 4 well, and they were the same floats in both of them. 5 And it just seems a little redundant to me. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So you are going to 7 start herding cats. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But either way, I have 9 no strong preference. I think we oughta coordinate some 10 of those activities. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Good luck. All right. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let's see so if 13 there's no motion -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: What do you want to do? You 15 know this might fall into this workshop after the first 16 of the year, and use courthouse grounds. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We got plenty of time 18 to decide between now and next November, so I don't 19 know. I just like to get things off the list, you know, 20 say yeah we approve it at the time to be coordinated by 21 Commissioner Letz. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Let's go ahead and -- 23 I mean we know this one needs to happen on this date. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd say let's go ahead 25 1 and approve this one, but definitely your comments are 2 taken into consideration and work, but let's go ahead 3 and get this -- we know this date is in the -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: It's fixed. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So I would move to 6 authorize Mr. Alan Hill to use the courthouse grounds, 7 at a time to be determined, on November 11th, 2018 for a 8 Veterans Day ceremony. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second that. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 11 Letz(sic), seconded by Commissioner Moser to approve the 12 request of Alan Hill to use courthouse grounds on 13 November 11, 2018 for a Veterans Day ceremony at a time 14 to be determined later. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. And Judge, I 16 made the motion; not Commissioner Letz. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, I'm sorry. 18 Commissioner Reeves made the motion, I'm sorry. All 19 right. All right, any further comment or discussion? 20 There being none, those in favor signify by raising your 21 right hands. It four zero, unanimous. One abstention, 22 myself. 23 1.6 consider, discuss and take appropriate 24 action to modify court order 35967 to reflect 25 Commissioner Belew and Commissioner Moser as the 26 1 liaisons for the Information Technology Department. 2 Commissioner Belew. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I thought it was as 4 simple as just changing the names on a list, and I 5 realized we had to vote on this. So since we had 6 discussed this recently Commissioner Moser and myself 7 would be the liaisons for IT, but it's not official 8 until we vote on it, so I would suggest that we accept 9 the motion as it is. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second that. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, you made the 12 motion? 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I made the motion. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: And you second it, Mr. 15 Moser? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Uh-huh. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Mr. Belew made 18 the motion, Mr. Moser seconded it to appoint -- make the 19 liaisons for IT Department to be Commissioner Belew and 20 Commissioner Moser. Any further comment or discussion? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'd like to add one 22 thing, if I may, there was an issue -- we set up 23 something informally that we said anytime there was 24 issues between IT and departments or department heads or 25 elected officials that Commissioner Belew and I would 27 1 see if we could mediate that thing, and we did one of 2 those week before last, I think worked out perfectly. 3 Perfect, I mean we sat right here, had the discussion, 4 what are the issues, what's the problem, defined it, 5 looked at the options, and it resolved, and I'm not 6 getting into the details but it worked out very 7 effectively, so it never had to come to the Court as an 8 issue between the IT Department and another department. 9 So that's the only comment I have, but it worked well. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further comments? If 11 none, those in favor of the motion signify by raising 12 your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 13 Is it 9:30? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 1.7 consider, 17 discuss and take appropriate action on request to 18 occasionally set up a shoe shine stand on the courthouse 19 grounds. Is Mr. Bowman here? Okay. I want to just 20 give you a little background on it. He came by and made 21 this request when I wasn't here. He talked to Jody, and 22 left his card, and he called himself the Sole Man, he 23 told me once he had a stand set up out at Gibson's 24 where he polishes shoes and takes care of shoes and 25 things like that, and he asked about putting one down 28 1 here on the courthouse grounds, and he told me that he 2 wanted to put it right outside of one of the courthouse 3 entrances on a landing right outside the door, and 4 invite people to get their shoes shined going in, or 5 taken care of, so that's what he plans to do. I'm sorry 6 he's not here to talk about it himself since he came by 7 and asked to put it on the agenda. What do you want to 8 do? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I would suggest 10 because this would be for a profit, have a workshop in 11 January -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Absolutely. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- and come up with -- 14 because we're talking individual for profit business, 15 and it's not a non-profit, I think pass on that until 16 after we develop the guidelines in January. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree to that -- 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Good idea. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- because somebody 20 will want to be selling cantaloupes out there or 21 something. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That might not be bad 23 at all. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It might not be bad, 25 but I agree with Commissioner Reeves. 29 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Sell what? 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Cantaloupes. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, that's better than 4 camels. I thought you said camels. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that's not a bad 6 idea either. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Or pigs and everything. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They need some down at 9 Verde Store. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. So we'll pass 11 that then, and address it in the workshop next year. 12 All right, 1.8 consider, discuss and take 13 appropriate action to modify court order 36033 dated 14 March 13, 2017. Commissioner Letz. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, this is a court 16 order we did, I think, March of this year, and it's been 17 requested that we change one word in it, avoid confusion 18 a little bit. What we had was approve and rescind court 19 order number 28568 as it named a road Dorado Road North 20 to go back to its previous existing name County Road 21 1354. Evidently that added some confusion and the 22 request has been that we change it to Private Road 1354 23 to avoid the appearance that that may be a county 24 maintained road. So I'll make a motion that we modify 25 court order 36033 and change the word County Road 1354 30 1 to Private Road 1354. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 4 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Belew to amend Court 5 Order Number 36033 dated March 13, 2017 to change the 6 one word from county road to public road -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To private. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: To private road, okay. Any 9 further comment or discussion? 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we need to do 11 anything with 911? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They've approved of 13 this. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: They've approved it. 15 Thank you. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So they want it named 17 Private Road 1354? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I see a lot of them in 19 our neighbors adjoin us to the west, they go by PR. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They thought it was a 21 county road, and there was implications it was county 22 maintained. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Now, do we put signs up 24 on these? They do? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They do. It's private. 31 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 2 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 3 unanimous. 4 1.9 consider, discuss and take appropriate 5 action on Resolution recognizing January 21 through 27, 6 2018 as Kerr County School Choice Week. In your agenda 7 package you'll find a letter which requested a 8 resolution saying that our Kerr County schools are the 9 best they can be, all of that kind of business. I 10 assume you all read the agenda package. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We have. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I did not read that. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have a question 14 though. What is -- it's -- if it said Kerr County 15 school week, I believe -- why is the word choice in 16 there, what are we doing? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: I don't know. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't either. I mean 19 this is like sort of -- when I saw that, what's choice 20 have to do with it? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, like life choice. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, well if it's like 23 that, or kids oughta be able to go to parochial schools 24 or wherever, home schools, but I don't think that's what 25 the objective is here. 32 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the objective is 2 probably related to vouchers. I'm reading that into 3 this. School of choice obviously you here vouchers go 4 along with that, and I think there are -- because it 5 doesn't mention public schools in the resolution; it's 6 talking about just schools, and there are a lot of -- 7 JUDGE POLLARD: It says high quality public 8 and nonpublic schools. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I think that's the 10 issue is that there's funding, state and local tax 11 funding for public schools, and there's nothing of the 12 equivalent to private schools. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: I think this -- the thrust 14 of this resolution is to emphasize the choice thing, 15 that the parents have the choice of public or nonpublic 16 schools for their children and they want a resolution 17 supporting that. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I see this sample 19 resolution in the backup came out of California, and 20 personally before I approve some resolution like this 21 talking about our schools, I'd like to know if our 22 schools, whether it's Notre Dame, or our Lady of the 23 Hills, or any of the other ones including our public 24 schools, what they think about this. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think I would, too. 33 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: This kind of looks 2 loaded to me. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's very unclear what 4 the objective is here. I agree, I could interpret that, 5 that's what I did. But all of a sudden we're asking the 6 Court to endorse something we don't know what we're 7 endorsing. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And it's a 9 Proclamation that didn't even come from -- 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The schools here. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, or anybody, the 12 best I can tell, locally. It came out of -- it's 13 addressed the question to a Noelle DeLaney in Dixon, 14 California. Or send the Proclamation, and after we've 15 issued it to California. I'm all for everybody getting 16 a good education, but I'd like to know how our local 17 schools and both sides of the street feel. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I say take no action 20 at this point. We got until January. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I expect we'll not hear 22 back from anybody. I agree with you, that makes sense. 23 I mean I think the voucher is -- 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Mayor, you have something to 25 say? 34 1 MAYOR WHITE: Yeah. I got the same request 2 last year, and I got it this year as well. And I 3 personally support school choice, but that's just me. 4 And I felt like -- and I answered them this last year 5 that it wasn't my place as a Council member, especially 6 since we assume our position in a non-partisan manner to 7 make a Proclamation that may irritate the public school 8 system. You know, I say I personally believe that 9 that's good, and I appreciate the fact that we have 10 choice here, but to make a statement that we endorse it 11 as a court, felt like wasn't our place, and I told them 12 that last year. Just my personal input. Because it is 13 a very hot button issue with the State, the voucher 14 issue and all of that. And I just felt like hey, we can 15 decide it individually however we see fit, but as a 16 court I felt like it was above and beyond our purview to 17 make a statement. Just my thought. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think we need to have 19 the school district -- if the various schools come in 20 and see if they support it or not. So thank you, Mayor. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Who's the local 22 connection? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ; I'd just say we pass on 24 it, and if someone comes back locally we can address it 25 at that time. 35 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Is that the wish, is that 2 your desire? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's go to 1.10 5 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to ratify 6 and confirm field agreement U.S. Department of 7 Agriculture, Texas A&M AgriLife Extension Service, and 8 Texas Wildlife Damage Management Association, and Kerr 9 County trapper contract. 10 It's in your package, and it's a renewal of 11 the contract. There's an increase of $500.00. I think 12 we were warned about this maybe six, eight months ago. 13 That's going to be $500.00 per technician, per month 14 increase. I think the total if about 38 thousand -- a 15 little over $38,000.00 a year. And they want to extend 16 -- they want us to sign a contract with them again for 17 another year at the increased price. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And we budgeted an 19 increase, did we not? 20 MRS. DOSS: Yes, Sir. For 9 months 21 beginning in January. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What is -- I have a 23 question. Two questions. What is wildlife damage 24 management, and Number 2 is what what is the -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Predator control. 36 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that what it is? 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Basically hogs and 4 coyotes, and for that purpose. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good, that answers that 6 question. What are the benefits that individuals get 7 from this? I have a ranch, Letz has a ranch, I don't 8 know anything about this program. Who do I apply to? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: You apply through 10 them, which they're out on Mill Run. They will send out 11 the government trapper, which is a fancy name for 12 wildlife damage management. They send out the reports 13 quarterly, and the numbers while they seem very 14 significant, it's just -- one trapper's having a hard 15 time, we could use two or three in this County. And I 16 believe you'll recall during budget work shops the three 17 gentlemen from the Stowers Ranch, and I think this is 18 something that's a must. I mean we'll even be talking 19 about it later with the next item, but it's a timed 20 item, of how UGRA is trying to help the damage from 21 predators in our waterways. But this is budgeted, and I 22 move for approval of the contract and to ratify it and 23 confirm. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 37 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 2 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the 3 field agreement U.S. Department of Agriculture, Texas 4 A&M AgriLife Extension Service, Texas Wildlife Damage 5 Management Association and Kerr County. This is for the 6 trapper contract, we call it, to approve it as submitted 7 in the agenda package. Is there any further comment or 8 question? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a comment. To 10 answer your question anyone can sign up for the program. 11 There are certain stipulations on what they can do on 12 what property based on neighbors and size of properties. 13 And as an example cyanide, they're not real free with 14 using that. You have to have a pretty large property 15 that you can, you know, control access from dogs and 16 stuff like that. You know, snares, you know, you have 17 to have your neighbors kind of -- an agreement almost 18 that you're going to be putting snares on the fence 19 life. Internally you can approve it on your's. So -- 20 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Helicopters. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah helicopters. 22 There's a lot of different programs they have. They 23 have to be able to fit one into your property, but I'm 24 guessing, gosh you know, certainly from the tens of 25 thousands is of acres, if not a hundred thousand acres, 38 1 in the County are part of this program. So there's a 2 lot of people that use it, and it does have a lot of 3 benefits. And additionally, this is -- we pay a small 4 portion; we don't pay the entire cost of this program, 5 we pay a portion of it. It's kind of a leverage type 6 issue from our standpoint. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So this is $500.00 a 8 month increase per technician. We have one technician. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: For the County. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And so our -- I read 11 this, but I don't know -- what's our percentage? 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, we have $38,400, 13 that is our amount. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's 38 thousand for 15 us. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: It's in the contract. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I mean if you look 19 at that, when you look at what the hunting industry 20 brings -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I just -- 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- to this County. 23 And I think one ranch that has already told me and 24 they're over ten thousand acres that their fawn crop is 25 about 20 percent. 39 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I remember the 2 discussion, too, that it really hit home with me is that 3 in west some of the ranchers are even having a hard time 4 having enough deer to kill, and other parts, you know, 5 that there -- 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That doesn't even go 7 into the damage to livestock, where there's ranchers 8 going out of business now. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think that's very 10 significant though the fact that the deer population has 11 been decreased by that amount, it's a good point. Okay, 12 thank you for that discussion. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further comment? If 14 not, those in favor of the motion signify by raising 15 their right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 16 All right, not quite ten o'clock. We'll go 17 to item 1.12 consider, discuss and take appropriate 18 action to authorize the County Auditor's office to 19 prepare compiled financial statements and/or perform 20 audit regarding Emergency Services District Number 1, 21 and Emergency Services District Number 2. Commissioner 22 Reeves. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. This is an 24 annual requirement, and I put both compiled financial 25 statements and audit, and it depends once the Auditor 40 1 looks at the books, with which one is required, and the 2 audit not being because there may be some wrong doing. 3 Their level of income, level of debt that they may be 4 carrying. And our Auditor's office performs it every 5 year for both of the ESD's, so I move for approval and 6 authorize the County Auditor's office to prepare 7 compiled financial statements and/or perform audits 8 regarding the two emergency services districts. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Question. Are those 11 the only two emergency service districts -- 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- that we have? And 14 second questioning is it's a taxing entity, is that 15 right? 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That's correct. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If they had to hire an 18 Auditor to do this, what would be your estimated cost, 19 Brenda, to do this? 20 MRS. DOSS: For a full audit? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. 22 MRS. DOSS: Probably around four or five 23 thousand dollars. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So you are going to do 25 a full audit? 41 1 MRS. DOSS: Well, it depends on if -- they 2 don't need an audit if their revenue, or if their 3 liabilities are below a certain level. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I see. 5 MRS. DOSS: So in the prior year one needed 6 an audit, and one did not. It depends. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And ESD 2, for 8 example, I believe their total tax income is in the 30 9 to 35 thousand dollars range. If they were required to 10 have an audit that's a sixth of their total income, they 11 would have to go for an audit instead of fighting fires. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, the reason I ask 13 is well they just have to increase their revenue. The 14 reason I ask is because we're asking the whole County to 15 pay for the two districts, for the audit, and they could 16 increase their revenue to cover their audit since it's 17 kind of like we see in the nation, you know, California 18 and New York get to write off their taxes and the rest 19 of the nation pays for it. So I'm just asking about, 20 you know, the rest of the County paying for the audit. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, I think the 22 total cost of what the county's paying is very small 23 compared to the protection that they're providing, and 24 as a taxing entity you say they can increase it, their 25 bound by the same amount of percentages as any other 42 1 taxing authority. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, that's my only 3 question or concern. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I moved. I don't know 5 if somebody seconded. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: There wasn't a second. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'll second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved 9 by Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew 10 to approve the County Auditor's office to prepare and 11 compile financial statements and/or perform audit for 12 Emergency Services District #1 and Emergency Services 13 District #2. Any further discussion or comment? If 14 not, those in favor of the motion signify by raising 15 their right hands. Those opposed? It's three to one, 16 Mr. Moser is the descending vote, and one abstention, 17 myself. It passes. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.13 consider, discuss 19 and take appropriate action to approve contracts with 20 Ingram Volunteer Fire Department and Terri Linda 21 Volunteer Fire Department, and allow the County Judge to 22 sign same. Those contracts are in the agenda package, 23 and this is the annual renewal. What is your desire? 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move for approval. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 43 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Commissioner Reeves moved 2 for approval, Mr. Belew seconds the motion, and this is 3 to approve the execution of the contracts for Ingram 4 Volunteer Fire Department, and the Tierra Linda Fire 5 Department, in the agenda package. Any further comments 6 or discussion? Those in favor signify by raising your 7 right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. One 8 abstention, myself. 9 Item 1.14 consider, discuss and take 10 appropriate action to approve the Kerr County retiree 11 health care plan actuarial valuation reports as of 12 December 31, 2016. Brenda Doss. 13 MRS. DOSS: This is a report, or it's a 14 requirement by Governmental Accounting Standards Board 15 that we did an actuarial determined number that we have 16 to put on our financial statements, and we have to get 17 one every two years. It's for other post employment 18 benefits, the cost is calculated based on the annual 19 contribution of the employer, which is Kerr County, and 20 this amount is actuarially determined in accordance with 21 the parameters of governmental accounting standards 22 board statement number 45. The annual required 23 contribution represents a level of accrual that is paid 24 on an ongoing basis is projected to cover the normal 25 cost each year and to amortize any unfunded actuarial 44 1 liabilities or funding excesses over a period not to 2 exceed 30 years. The county's annual overhead cost for 3 the fiscal year ending September 30th, 2017 is -- the 4 obligation would be 1,763,696 at 9-3-17, and that is 5 what we included in our financial statements as a 6 liability. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Brenda, I didn't read 8 all 42 pages of this thing. So what's the -- what's the 9 message here? 10 MRS. DOSS: The message is that Governmental 11 and County Standards Boards requires that we have an 12 actuarial analysis of our post-employment benefits, 13 which is our retiree health benefits, and what they're 14 trying to get at is what our liability is making the 15 assumption -- what our liability is at that particular 16 time and period based on the assumption that we're going 17 to continue the plan as it is. And they actuarially 18 determine the cost of health insurance as it goes 19 forward in the future, and the retiree rate, and the 20 life of the retirees. There's a lot of different things 21 that go the into calculation. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: So this is just a we are at 23 risk, or we are liable -- 24 MRS. DOSS: Yes. And it's a number that's 25 required to be put in the financial statements. 45 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And they take the 2 actuary tables -- 3 MRS. DOSS: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- and look at it, 5 okay, retirees are going to live at -- this one's going 6 to live another 25 years, and so this is -- 7 MRS. DOSS: Yes. And it's also based on our 8 current employees, and it projects looking ahead when 9 they're going to retire, and then the life of the 10 retiree, the cost of health insurance as we go forward. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. Thank you 12 for that good summary. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we need to approve 14 this? 15 MRS. DOSS: Yes, you need to accept it. 16 Approve it, accept it. Approve it it says. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Move to accept the 18 Kerr County retiree health care plan actuarial valuation 19 report as of December 31, 2016 as presented by the 20 Auditor, and prepared by -- 21 MRS. DOSS: Gabriel Roeder Smith. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: GRS. 23 MRS. DOSS: Yes, Gabriel Roeder Smith. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second that. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 46 1 Reeves. Seconded by Commissioner Moser to approve the 2 Kerr County retiree health care plan actuarial valuation 3 reports as of December 31, 2016 as presented in the 4 agenda package. Any further discussion or comment? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a comment. 6 There's some interesting data in here about years of 7 service, age, retirement, but looking at that you can 8 kind of look into the each of our crystal ball and look 9 at budget implications into the future. Just 10 interesting to look at it. It's also interesting I mean 11 how many employees we have over 30 years experience, 11 12 -- 12. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Any further 14 comments or discussion? If not, those in favor of the 15 motion signify by raising your right hands. It's four 16 zero, unanimous. One abstention myself. 17 1.15 consider, discuss and take appropriate 18 action to ratify and confirm the audits required by 19 Article 59.06 of Code of Criminal Procedure in the 20 fiscal year 2017, Chapter 59 asset forfeiture reports 21 for the 198thth District Attorney, and the 216th 22 District Attorney, and the Kerr County Sheriff. Brenda 23 Doss. 24 MRS. DOSS: Yes. The office of the Texas 25 Attorney General requires that all law enforcement 47 1 agencies, and attorneys representing the State involved 2 in the seizure and for forfeiture of contraband complete 3 a chapter 59 asset forfeiture report annually. The 4 statute also requires that the County Auditor certify 5 the accuracy of the reports, so I have looked over the 6 reports, and I've certified the accuracy, and I need the 7 Court to ratify. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Make a motion we ratify 9 the reports as read into the record. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 12 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the 13 reports as submitted into the record relating to the 14 district attorney's office for the 216th District 15 Attorney, and the Kerr County Sheriff's office, as well 16 as the 198th District Attorney's office. All right, 17 those in favor of the motion -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me ask a question. 19 Brenda, how long -- and I agree with it, but how long's 20 this audit been required, do you know? 21 MRS. DOSS: I don't know. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do you have any idea. 23 MRS. STEBBINS: I've been asked every year 24 since I've been here, so I'm sure for a long time. 25 MRS. DOSS: For a long time, yeah. 48 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Because I know in the 2 past there were some issues with something like this 3 years ago, and I was just wondering if the -- out of 4 curiosity wondering if the Auditor required it. Okay. 5 MRS. DOSS: I'll find out for you. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Just out of 7 curiosity. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was going to say it's 9 an unfunded mandate. But it is. But it is. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good point. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 12 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 13 unanimous. One abstention, myself. Still not 10 14 o'clock. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, everything else 16 is executive session, and might we take ten minutes? 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Ten minute 18 break. 19 (Break.) 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We're back in 21 session. Let's have order. A timed item at 10 o'clock, 22 1.11 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to 23 approve Interlocal Agreement between Kerr County and 24 Upper Guadalupe River Authority regarding feral hog 25 management program, and authorize the County Judge to 49 1 sign same. Mr. Buck, would you like to address? 2 MR. BUCK: I certainly will defer to 3 Commissioner Reeves, but thank you for -- 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, okay. 5 MR. BUCK: We want to see a handle on feral 6 hog problem, which we think are causing some of our 7 water quality problems in the western part of our County 8 for sure. If you're familiar with some of your handouts 9 you can see Plum Creek which is a tributary of the 10 Guadalupe has had a severe problem with feral hogs. I 11 think Warren, and Bob correct me if I'm wrong, he 12 estimated about 22 hundred hogs in Kerr County. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. I think the 14 Court is familiar with the grant that the County 15 received about a year and a half ago, that the Judge 16 just likes to call by its acronym, CHOMP, and that one 17 granted us funds for feral hog abatement. About six 18 months ago it was back during both of our budget times, 19 Mr. Buck called me, and Roy Walston and visited with us 20 about the damage that feral hogs could be doing to our 21 waterways. Roy made a very good presentation back to 22 the Board of Directors of UGRA at a meeting last summer. 23 They subsequently approved in their budget 30 thousand 24 dollars for feral hog eradication which will be working 25 in addition to what we already have with our grant 50 1 funds. The basics of it is that the UGRA currently 2 we're limited to pay, through the grant fund, five 3 dollars bounty per animal. UGRA is going to add another 4 15 dollars to that bounty, they're also going to 5 purchase an additional trapping materials to use with 6 what we've purchased, as well as additional supplement 7 for aerial means, helicopters. All of this is for the 8 sole purpose though of hogs; not any other type of 9 predators, which is what our grant that we receive 10 requires. I believe it had the support of all of your 11 board. 12 MR. BUCK: Absolutely. It's a unanimous 13 support. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: There's an Interlocal 15 Agreement which was drafted and submitted. I believe 16 Mrs. Stebbins has reviewed it? 17 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The backup material 19 that y'all have, it has -- when I printed it out for you 20 today somehow it printed out -- I put it in everybody's 21 box today. You'll see there's a blank page five, but if 22 you look at the contract in front of the Judge -- right 23 here, Judge. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: That that was somehow 51 1 how it printed. None the less, we would be handling 2 this in the same manner as far as the Auditor and the 3 Treasurer's office. They'll submit to us. We're 4 already getting reimbursement from the State, so we'll 5 just -- we would submit an invoice to UGRA and they 6 would reimburse us after we've paid the land owners for 7 what they're working on. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I have a 9 question. Being that this is about water quality, is 10 there a certain limit away from the -- certain distance 11 away from the river -- 12 MR. BUCK: They're all going to be close to 13 water because that's what they seek. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I know. Is there any 15 stipulation about where the traps are set? 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's countywide 17 just -- 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Just wherever. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- wherever they 20 range. Eventually -- it's kind of like the commercial 21 it's not when you hit a deer -- or it's not if you hit 22 one, but when. It's the same way with the swine. And I 23 see Commissioner Letz is making some notes. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I'm figuring 560 25 hogs, a bunch of hogs to get rid of. 52 1 MRS. DOSS: Is this only as long as the 2 grant -- or until the grant is over, and then does this 3 end or -- 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The portion that UGRA 5 is providing will be for the fiscal year. 6 MR. BUCK: Through September 30th, 2018. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The other portion of 8 it is on until the grant expires. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: UGRA's portion goes when 10 you reach your limit of financial -- 11 MR. BUCK: Not to exceed 30 thousand 12 dollars. And it's important to us that -- if I may, you 13 already have a program in place. We don't want to 14 replicate that with all this. Is very beneficial and 15 leveraging our resources with your's and be able to 16 partner with you and add on to what you're doing, and 17 hopefully this will be successful, we'll see. We've 18 heard anecdotally that people that for five dollars I'm 19 not going to drive to town and get a bounty, but we 20 hopefully are going to be able to give them party money, 21 if they want to shoot four or five hogs. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the other part is 23 one of the studies Mr. Walston presented just to 24 maintain the numbers, you have to eliminate 2/3 of the 25 population on an annual bases just to keep them from 53 1 growing. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval 3 of the Interlocal Agreement 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I second, and 5 authorize the County Judge to sign? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Pursuant to item 8 1.11 on the agenda Commissioner Letz moved, and seconded 9 by Commissioner Reeves to approve the Interlocal 10 Agreement between Kerr County and Upper Guadalupe River 11 Authority regarding feral hog management program and 12 authorize the County Judge to sign same. Is there any 13 further comment or discussion? We'd encourage folks to 14 hunt those things, they're good eating. That'll help 15 some. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I appreciate being 17 able to work with y'all on this, Ray. 18 MR. BUCK: Thank you. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: If there's no further 20 comment or discussion, those in favor signify by raising 21 your right hand. It's four zero, unanimous. One 22 abstention, myself. All right. Thank you, Mr. Buck. 23 Item 4.1 pay the bills. 24 MRS. DOSS: No bills, Sir. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: No bills. 54 1 (Off the record.) 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. I was just 3 handed an addendum item 1.21 consider, discuss and take 4 appropriate action to authorize Hanukkah display on the 5 courthouse lawn. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Oh, that was not in 7 here so I thought we were going to do it next week. 8 MRS. STEBBINS: If it's not been posted we 9 can't do it. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It came in on time, but 11 it didn't get on the agenda because we're down to the 12 third, you know, alternate. And so the fellows that 13 wanted to talk about it were here today. 14 MRS. STEBBINS: It wasn't posted so we can't 15 talk about it. It wasn't posted so we'll put it on the 16 next one. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: It was filed on the 22nd. 18 MRS. STEBBINS: But was there appropriate 19 publication? 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I don't know. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Including website? 22 MRS. STEBBINS: Right. Was it -- do you 23 know,. 24 MRS. VANKLAVEREN: We just post it out here 25 on the board. They put it in, we post it on the board. 55 1 That's for the public. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I have everything 3 except for the gentlemen that want to present it. 4 MRS. STEBBINS: Give me just a minute, 5 please before y'all -- 6 (Off the record.) 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Are we not able 8 to hear it now, is that what your position s? 9 MRS. STEBBINS: You may be able to. If 10 you'll give me just a minute, I want to look at it and 11 make sure we have done what we're supposed to. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't we do our 13 budget amendment stuff. 14 MRS. DOSS: There's no budget amendments, 15 there's no bills. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How about late bills? 17 MRS. DOSS: No late bills. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 4.2 budget 19 amendments. 20 MRS. DOSS: None. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: 4.3 late bills. 22 MRS. DOSS: None. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: 4.4 approve and accept 24 monthly reports. Mr. Reeves. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. I have 56 1 Constable Precinct 3 report for October, 2017, Constable 2 Precinct 4 report for October, 2017, and the County 3 Treasurer's report for the month of October, 2017. Move 4 to accept the reports, and sign as needed. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 7 Reeves, and seconded by Commissioner Letz to approve the 8 monthly reports, a list of which was just read into the 9 agenda, and to authorize the execution of those reports 10 or approve them as needed. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Sign as needed. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Sign as needed. All right, 13 any further questions or comments? If not, those in 14 favor of the motion signify by raise your right hands. 15 It's four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 16 Auditor's report? 17 MRS. DOSS: None. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: None. All right, now we'll 19 go to -- is the County Attorney ready? 20 MRS. STEBBINS: No, Sir, I'm not ready yet. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're going to go 22 into executive session -- 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Go into reports and 24 commissions and all that kind of stuff. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, reports from 57 1 County Commissioners. Any? Anybody? 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: 5.2 reports from elected 4 officials and department heads, anybody? 5 Reports from boards, commissions and 6 committees, anyone? 7 All right, now is the County Attorney ready, 8 and she's not. All right, we're going to go into 9 executive session. 10 (Executive Session.) 11 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We'll end the 12 executive session then for the purposes of -- not end 13 it, we'll just take a recess, and come back into open 14 session and can handle matters that we need to. 15 (Off the record.) 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Reports are called again. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I want to put on the 18 next agenda for us to put approval of minutes on the 19 future Court's. If you look at the -- and this isn't -- 20 I'm not throwing stones at anybody, but it is very 21 difficult to look at our court orders that are filed and 22 truly understand what we did, and I think -- I think 23 that we need to look at the court orders especially the 24 ones that, you know, if you're involved in making the 25 motion and verify that that order is correct. There was 58 1 one a couple weeks ago that made no sense. And Jody 2 gave it to me and I looked at it, and I went back and 3 looked at the transcript, and I can see how hard it is 4 to write. I was just trying to figure out what we're 5 even saying when you read it. So I think it would be a 6 good idea to really -- because it's important if those 7 court orders aren't concise and to the point it's real 8 hard to -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So approve the court 10 orders, or approve the transcript? We're not going to 11 approve the transcript. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Approve the minutes -- 13 or the minutes which would be court orders to me. Or 14 maybe just the court orders. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, we oughta say 16 court orders, because I always think it's interesting 17 the Airport Board approves the minutes. Well, you know, 18 the transcript is verbatim of what was said, so what are 19 they going to -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean maybe this is the 21 correct language, have to check with Becky, to ratify 22 the court orders. I mean because it's a -- you know, 23 going back and forth between the two you can figure out 24 what was said, but sometimes it's difficult. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 59 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's my report. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. And coming out into 3 open session, we considered item 1.17 in closed session. 4 Is there any action to be taken in open session? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. There are 6 several items need to be accepted. My first one would 7 be I make a motion to approve the revised job 8 description of the Designated Supervisor of OSSF, and 9 the other job description would be for the Director of 10 Animal Services and Environmental Law Enforcement. I 11 make a motion to approve those job descriptions first. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 14 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Letz to approve the job 15 descriptions as submitted in the agenda package for the 16 positions of -- what was that? What were they again? 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: OSSF Designated 18 Supervisor, and Director of Animal Services and 19 Environmental Law Enforcement. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, any further 21 comment or discussion about that motion? If not, those 22 in favor signify by raising their right hand. It's four 23 zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. All right, 24 anything else under that same agenda item? 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. I also make a 60 1 motion to approve the position schedule of the two 2 departments as submitted, with the Supervisor being paid 3 at the rate of 19.2. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Designated Supervisor. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Designated Supervisor 6 of OSSF being paid at a 19.2, and approve the position 7 schedules, which were updated by HR. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: What number is that? 10 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.18. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No; 1.17. This is the 12 second motion on part of that. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, I'm not going to 14 try to repeat the motion. Is there any -- is there a 15 second? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I second. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. The motion was 18 made by Commissioner Reeves and seconded by Commissioner 19 Letz. Any further discussion? Those in favor signify 20 by raising your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 21 One abstention, myself. Anything else under 1.17? 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do we need to name a 23 supervisor at this time? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. 61 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Maybe we should talk to 2 the person first. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is that 5 everything on 1.17? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: The next one is 1.18 8 consider, discuss and take appropriate action on posting 9 manager position for the Maintenance Department. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 11 authorize HR Department to post the Maintenance 12 Director's position in the appropriate media online 13 during her normal course of employment. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 16 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to do what with 17 the Manager? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: To post the 19 Maintenance Director's position in the manner that HR 20 desires. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. All right, the 22 posting was what was not in the original motion. All 23 right, is there any further comment or discussion? If 24 not, those in favor signify by raising your right hands. 25 It's four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 62 1 All right, anything else on that particular 2 item? 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Not on that one. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.19 consider, discuss 5 and take appropriate action to terminate retiree 6 employee's benefits from the Kerr County Choice Silver 7 Retiree Medical/RX Supplemental for non-payment. Is 8 there any motion on that? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 10 set a policy that any retiree that falls 60 days in 11 arrears of making their payment to the County Choice 12 Silver Retiree Medical/RX supplemental insurance be 13 terminated, and that any current retirees that are in 14 arrears of 60 days to bring their payments current. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That the policy is 16 terminated? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The policy. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Not the employee; the 20 policy. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Don't shoot them. Yeah, all 22 right. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The County Attorney has 24 a question. 25 MRS. STEBBINS: I have a question or 63 1 suggestion, but for the HR Department to maybe provide 2 notice to former employees in arrears that they -- of 3 the particular dates that their policies will be 4 terminated so that they can have an opportunity to -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that the -- 6 yeah. I mean I think that goes with part of the motion, 7 it's implied. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, you made the 9 motion. Is there a second? 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'll second. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Commissioner Letz 12 made the motion, Commissioner Belew seconds the motion 13 to any retired employee that does not make their 14 contribution for the purposes of their retirement for a 15 period of time of 60 days, their retirement portion 16 policy will be terminated, and those retirees that are 17 more than 60 days delinquent now will have 60 days to -- 18 from this date forward to comply, or there's will be 19 terminated, their policy will be terminated as well. Is 20 that an accurate statement -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: -- of the motion. All 23 right, any further comments or discussion about it? If 24 not, those in favor of the motion signify by raising 25 your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. One 64 1 abstention, myself. 2 All right. Is that it? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 4 MR. BELEW: And then the other item -- 5 MRS. STEBBINS: It was not posted online, 6 and we're required to post it online. There's a good 7 faith -- there's an exception for good faith attempt if 8 there's a technical problem, but it wasn't posted, there 9 was no attempt and that was just an oversight, and 10 apologies were extended, and we can post it next time. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: However, if we wait 12 until a Monday meeting that's still enough time for them 13 to put up the display, but -- 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, we can't even 15 address any of that right now, can we? 16 MRS. STEBBINS: That's correct; however, if 17 you would like to -- 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm just saying it's 19 time sensitive, I was going to tell you why. 20 MRS. STEBBINS: Jody could probably schedule 21 a special meeting. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We could do it on a 23 Thursday. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do it on Thursday. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes, okay. As long as 65 1 we could -- I'd like to take care of it as quickly as 2 possible, so -- all right? 3 MRS. STEBBINS: Next Thursday, I don't think 4 there's sufficient time for this Thursday. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We can't get it for 6 this Thursday. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It'll still be early 8 enough. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: 72 hours, right? 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We meet at 9. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: 72 hours from this 12 moment, that's what we're talking about? 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Right. We could do an 14 addendum. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll just stand 16 in recess until the gentlemen arrive, and -- 17 MRS. STEBBINS: His name is Jay. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: -- go back into closed 19 session for that presentation, is that correct? 20 MRS. STEBBINS: That's correct. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, stand in recess 22 until 11:30. 23 (Executive Session.) 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. No further 25 business. We're adjourned. 66 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Got to wait for the 2 clerk. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. We're back in 4 open session. Is there any further business? If not 5 then, we're adjourned. 6 * * * * * * 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 67 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County Commissioners' Court, do 6 hereby certify that the above and foregoing pages 7 contain and comprise a true and correct transcription of 8 the proceedings had in the above-entitled Commissioners' 9 Court. 10 Dated this the 1st day of December, A.D. 11 2017. 12 13 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 No. 953 Expiration Date 12/31/2018 15 * * * * * * 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25