1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, January 22, 2018 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: TOM POLLARD, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Pct. 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Pct. 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Pct. 3. 25 BOB REEVES, Commissioner Pct. 4 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Commissioners' Comments. 7 4 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 13 action on nomination of new Airport Board 5 Members, Jim Mans (term to begin January, 2018) and Scott Bolton (term to begin on 6 June 1, 2018). 7 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 19 action, including but not limited to, 8 reviewing the construction plan and approving advertising for bids for the 9 contractor for the 216th District Attorney's office (in the Sheriff's Annex). 10 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 23 11 action for the Court to approve the revision of the Plat for Lot 166 of 12 Spicer Ranch No. 3, Volume 3, Page 85. 13 1.4 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 action for the Court to approve the 14 revision of plat for lots 12, 13 and 14 of Weis Acres, Volume 3, Page 135. 15 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 26 16 action to approve contract for aerial photography with Pictometry, and authorize 17 County Judge to sign same. 18 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 32 action to approve and authorize County 19 Judge to execute Ricoh Hard Drive Surrender Agreement for Juvenile Detention Facility. 20 1.13 Annual report from Kerr County Historical 34 21 Commission and introduction of new members. 22 1.14 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 46 action concerning opening sealed competitive 23 bids and awarding a contract to the lowest qualified bidder for the countywide 24 facilities HVAC coil combing project as a result of the 2016 hail storm. 25 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 50 action on Resolution regarding the craft 4 agriculture industry. 5 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 56 action regarding reduction of fees paid 6 to Kerr County for permits and licenses for businesses operating within the sector 7 of the craft agriculture and that manufacture alcohol beverages. 8 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 63 9 action for the Court to approve the revision of the Plat for Lot 166 of 10 Spicer Ranch No. 3, Volume 3, Page 85. 11 1.9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 78 action on closure of the Juvenile 12 Detention Facility. This includes, but is not limited to: Use of the probation 13 building located at 3499 Legion Drive, and use of the JDC building located at 14 3501 Legion Drive. 15 1.10 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 80 action on closure of the Juvenile 16 Detention Facility. This includes, but is not limited to: Transfer of items to 17 the Kerr County Juvenile Board. 18 1.11 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 82 action to determine the future use of the 19 2004 GMC Safari van that is located at the Juvenile Detention Facility. 20 1.12 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 83 21 action to rescind Court Order #36321 and determine future use of the 2006 Ford 22 Taurus courthouse vehicle. 23 24 25 4 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.15 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 85 action to authorize the Environmental 4 Health/Animal Services Director to reduce the annual registration fee to one dollar 5 during the annual rabies vaccination clinics being held February 3rd through February 6 17th, 2018. Current fees are five dollars (neutered/spayed) and ten dollars 7 (non-neutered and spayed). 8 1.16 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 87 action on policy for onsite sewage 9 facilities connections and related matters to East Kerr County/Center Point 10 Wastewater Project. 11 1.17 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 88 action regarding South Texas Blood and 12 Tissue doing a blood drive on March 8, 2018 at the County Courthouse parking 13 lot from 11:15 a.m. to 5:15 p.m. 14 1.16 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 89 action on policy for onsite sewage 15 facilities connections and related matters to East Kerr County/Center Point 16 Wastewater Project. 17 1.18 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 96 action to approve requesting proposals 18 and bid from qualified providers to provide comprehensive health care services 19 for inmates incarcerated in the Kerr County Adult Detention Center. 20 1.19 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 97 21 action to approve an Interlocal Agreement as to form for housing of out-of-county 22 inmates in Kerr County Adult Detention Center. 23 1.26 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 105 24 action to file amicus brief related to Teal Trading and Development, L.P. 25 versus Champee Springs Ranches Property Owners Association. 5 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.20 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 112 action to accept annual Racial Profiling 4 Reports from Constable Precinct 1, Constable Precinct 3, Constable Precinct 4, 5 and the 198th District Attorney. 6 1.21 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 113 action to approve contract with Kerr County 7 Soil and Water Conservation District, and authorize the County Judge to sign same. 8 1.22 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 114 9 action on requesting workshop with Kerrville City Council related to economic 10 development and other joint ventures. 11 1.23 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 115 action to appoint Commissioner Moser to 12 the Library Advisory Board. 13 1.24 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 116 action for the Court's approval of hiring 14 a public Information Officer for Kerr County. 15 1.25 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 127 16 action regarding Victim Services Department and the Alamo Area Council of Government, 17 (AACOG) grant renewal, including but not limited to: Adjusting the grant budget, 18 and review changes for overall improvement of the department and program. 19 1.14 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 140 20 action concerning opening sealed competitive bids and awarding a contract to the lowest 21 qualified bidder for the countywide facilities HVAC coil combing project as a 22 result of the 2016 hail storm. 23 4.4 Approve and accept Monthly Reports. 143 24 4.6 Court Orders. 144 25 5.2 Reports from Elected Officials/Department 145 Heads. 6 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Adjournment. 147 4 *** Reporter's Certificate. 148 5 * * * * * * 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 7 1 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, ladies and gentlemen, 2 it's 9 a.m. on January the 22nd, 2018, and the Kerr 3 County Commissioners' Court is in session. We'll begin 4 today with prayer and pledge by Commissioner Moser. 5 Actually, Commissioner Belew's up, but he's going to be 6 late, so Mr. Moser's going to fill in for him. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Pray with me if you 8 will, please. 9 (Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.) 10 JUDGE POLLARD: This part of the agenda is 11 for someone that wishes to come forward and speak on 12 something that is not on the agenda today. You're 13 permitted to do so if you want to, but you have to come 14 to the podium, identify yourself by name and address, 15 and please try to limit your comment to three minutes. 16 Is there any wishing to speak on something that is not 17 on the agenda today? 18 Okay, there being no one, we'll next go to 19 the Commissioners and County Judge to recognize 20 achievements of persons in their Precinct, etc. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, Harley's not 22 here -- 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Harley's not here so he 24 doesn't have anything to offer. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A couple of big events 8 1 in this area this past weekend. Stock show looked like 2 it was fantastic, and I'm sure Bob will probably have 3 more to say about that. But another thing that happened 4 was -- 5 JUDGE POLLARD: In spite of the weather. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: In spite of the 7 weather, yeah, right. And in spite of the Ag Mechanics 8 guys not getting to do their thing on Tuesday, which is 9 terrible. 10 But the other thing that happened there was 11 an institute met this weekend for first time -- or 12 Friday, Dynamic Learning Institute, it's a continuing 13 education. It's presented one course at a time for one 14 hour. It's primarily is cooperation between Dietert 15 Center, Schreiner University, and this newly formed 16 Dynamic Learning Institute. We had the first event on 17 Friday. We had 250 people show up. There's going to be 18 26 -- here it is, 26 lectures this spring, so I 19 encourage everybody to learn about it, go to Dietert 20 Center to their website and you can see. Like one 21 person is going to introduce -- tell about the health of 22 Hitler, and what that meant to winning the war. The 23 other one is going to be folklore, taught by the -- 24 spoken to by the Schreiner University President, so 25 anyway I encourage everybody to take a look at that. 9 1 It's going to be a great thing for the community. And 2 that's all I have. 3 JUDGE POLLARD: I did attend several parts 4 of the AG show and the district show. My favorite part 5 is the -- as I've said before was the Agricultural 6 Mechanics show, unfortunately that's the day it was so 7 cold, and unfortunately a number of the entries in that, 8 I think -- I forgot how many entries. You remember, Bob 9 in 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It was probably a 11 third to 40 percent of them couldn't come because of the 12 weather. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Weather prevented them from 14 getting down here, so it was down, and as a result there 15 almost nobody came from the public to go in there and 16 look at the stuff. One of the most interesting things, 17 a young man from Bandera, if you're familiar with what 18 the military does with the robot that goes in to disarm 19 bombs, he made a little robot on tracts like that with a 20 trailer hitch on top of it so that if there's one guy 21 there and he's got a bunch of trailers to move or loaded 22 trailers, why he just sits back with it and moves all 23 those trailers around, pretty innovating. That's the 24 kind of thing that they have there. There was some real 25 interesting mesquite table, and end tables and things 10 1 like that, so next year when they have the stock show, 2 be sure and try to go to the AG Mechanics Show because 3 it's very interesting, and don't misunderstand and say 4 you have to be interested in mechanics to do it. 5 There's some art there, a lot of art that's done. And 6 so I highly recommend it. Yes, Sir. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll defer to Bob on the 8 stock show comments. But I will make a comment. It 9 mentioned I received some emails about Nelson over the 10 past weekend, and he's not on today's agenda, and I just 11 wanted to explain to everyone the reason he is not is a 12 combination of weather, the courthouse was closed last 13 week, and then Reagan Givens who's head of the 14 department was pretty much out at the youth event center 15 almost the entire week wearing both his constable hat, 16 and his Environmental Health issues and things like 17 that. So the time just didn't get -- was not able to 18 finalize all that. And I anticipate Reagan will be 19 announcing something, a decision or recommendation on 20 that sometime in the next week or so. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's it. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Bob. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, everybody 24 deferred it to me, so we had a very successful livestock 25 show despite the weather. I've been involved with it as 11 1 a volunteer since '81. This had probably the fewest 2 glitches that we've ever had. One of the glitches, we 3 need more parking. We totally ran out of parking. 4 Usually what they judge a success on the show, and 5 whether it's a good point or bad point is the auction. 6 When we closed the computers down late Saturday night, 7 we were at a million 201 thousand and some change. Last 8 year's sale was a million 224. But that was after about 9 ten days of added money coming in after the sale that 10 people want to put on projects, so I looked that we'll 11 definitely exceed that number. 12 I compliment the Sheriff's Department and 13 command center out there, maintenance staff, 14 Environmental Health who was out there. As you know we 15 get inspected each year by the state for the mass 16 gathering, and they were very complimentary on the 17 facilities and all of that, so all in all it was a great 18 show. 19 On a sad note, and I think it's going to be 20 in about an hour, there will be a funeral for a longtime 21 Divide resident. I believe at one time she was a 22 reserve deputy constable, her husband was a longtime 23 constable out in the Divide area, and her son is one of 24 the Sheriff's Sergeants right now, and that's Billie 25 Hall who passed away last week, and her funeral will be 12 1 this morning so keep the Hall family in thoughts and 2 prayers. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Judge, if I may one 4 other thing that I forgot to mention is filling the 5 vacancy for the Constable Precinct 2. We received a 6 large number of applications for that. We have it on 7 the agenda for Thursday, okay, to make a recommendation, 8 so we will go through the committee and evaluate all 9 those applications. But anyway there was a lot a lot of 10 interest in people for that. I've got a lot of calls 11 with recommendations on people to fill that position. 12 So anyway, I wanted to mention that. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Mayor, you have something to 14 say. 15 MAYOR WHITE: Yeah. I'm sorry to be past 16 the visitor's section, but I just remembered that 17 Commissioner Moser and I will get together next 18 Saturday, the 27th, at the library. They'll be free 19 cards for county residents from ten until six. 20 Commissioner Moser and I will show up probably in our 21 pajamas to read bedtime stories to the kids at 4 22 o'clock. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a challenge. 25 MAYOR WHITE: With our stuffed animals. 13 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, with that we'll 2 go to the regular agenda item 1.1 on the agenda. 3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action on 4 nomination of new Airport Board members. Jim Mans term 5 to begin January 2018, and Scott Bolton term to begin 6 June 1, 2018. Mr. McKenzie. 7 MR. MCKENZIE: Good morning. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Good morning, Sir. 9 MR. MCKENZIE: How are you? 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 11 MR. MCKENZIE: Good morning, Commissioners. 12 It's a pleasure to introduce you to the nominees that 13 the Airport Board has chosen to serve on the Airport 14 Board. You have seen their resumes and their bios, so 15 I'll forego that at this time, but I would like to 16 introduce them to you. The first one will take office 17 hopefully, with your approval, immediately after we 18 introduce them to the City Counsel tomorrow night, and 19 that would be Jim Mans. And Jim, would you please 20 stand. And Jim comes to us from an amazing corporate 21 background. He's a CPA, and he was with KPMG, among 22 other several large entities in his career, and he still 23 is in business. It was a difficult choice choosing. We 24 had ten great applicants, so it was tough coming down to 25 these two, so it was a good thing. But Jim we hope will 14 1 take office immediately. He will be replacing Mr. Kirk 2 Griffin that resigned in November. 3 And the second gentleman is Scott Bolton. 4 Scott, if you'd stand, please. Scott is a wealth 5 manager with RBC, correct, here in Kerrville. And by 6 the way, Jim is an aircraft owner and a pilot as well as 7 Scott is a pilot with us as well. Scott comes with 8 us -- comes to us with a great financial background, 9 which will give us about the most important thing now, 10 one of the most important things we've been focusing on 11 is getting this airport in a good financial position, 12 which we're in now, and these gentlemen have a lot to 13 offer to that. So they were chosen by the Board, and 14 Scott will take his position 1 June when Corey Walters 15 term limits become effective, and Corey will be off the 16 Board, and then Scott will take his place providing City 17 and the County both approve these. 18 So I would like to -- and you can certainly 19 ask these gentlemen any questions if you'd like to, but 20 before that, I'd like to respectfully request that you 21 approve Jim Mans and Scott Bolton to serve on the 22 Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I move that we accept 24 the recommendation of the Airport Board to approve their 25 recommendation of Jim Mans and Scott Bolton to be on the 15 1 Airport Board serving at the beginning of their service 2 January 2018, and June 2018, respectively, so that's my 3 motion. I'd like to make one other comment. So you had 4 ten -- ten applicants. That's fantastic. And I 5 understand they -- 6 MR. MCKENZIE: They were all good ones. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- were all very good. 8 MR. MCKENZIE: Yes, Sir, they were. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll second the motion. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, Commissioner 11 Moser has moved pursuant to item 1.1 on the agenda to 12 appoint Jim Mans for a term to begin January 2018, and 13 Scott Bolton for a term to begin June 1, 2018 for the 14 Kerr County -- Kerrville and Kerr County Joint Airport 15 Board. Is there any further discussion or comment in 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. I wasn't expecting 17 a motion quite so quick. I would like both of them to 18 come up and explain a little bit about themselves. I 19 looked at their resumes, but the public, a lot of the 20 group here, the media. How long you been in Kerrville, 21 background, where you're from, all that type of stuff, I 22 appreciate it. 23 MR. MANS: Thank you. My name is Jim Mans, 24 and let's see, where shall I start. I grew up on a farm 25 in -- near Texoma, Oklahoma. I was actually born on the 16 1 Texas side and -- we lived on the Texas side, and I was 2 born on the Oklahoma side. So I'm kind of bi-whatever. 3 And anyhow, grew up there, went to school at Oklahoma 4 University. No comments on that, okay, good. And -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Wait. Three tea-sips 6 here. 7 MR. MANS: Three tea-sips here. So let's 8 just get that out right away. So I went to school 9 there, and graduated and went to work for a company 10 called Peat Marwick Mitchell, which is one -- at the 11 time one of the Big 8 CPA firms. I spent some time in 12 the tax area, some time in the audit area. I started to 13 work in the Dallas office, moved to Amarillo when we 14 opened an office there, moved to Wichita, Kansas to 15 handle the Koch Industries and the Dillon Foods 16 accounts. And then I moved to Chicago to run what we 17 call the middle market practice, which was a company of 18 up to 250 million dollars in sales, which for an old 19 country boy that's a pretty good size company. Anyhow, 20 worked with them for 30 some years. Moved from Chicago 21 to Indianapolis to run that office for six years, 22 decided that was good enough, I needed to get back home, 23 so we came back to Texas after that, my wife and I did. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Glad you chose Texas instead 25 of Oklahoma? 17 1 MR. MANS: Yes. This is Texas, I tried to 2 get here as soon as I could. I have two daughters, one 3 that lives in the Frisco area, north Dallas, and one 4 that lives in Houston, and that's the reason why we 5 moved to Kerrville because it's partway between each, 6 and see the grandkids periodically, which is part of the 7 reason why I own an airplane by the way. 8 So anyhow, I've always -- always been 9 involved in aviation, mostly from the civil side. I've 10 enjoyed it very, very much and I think I have something 11 to offer from my perspective in business with regards to 12 the Airport Board and looking forward to serving. I 13 have served a number of non-profit organizations in 14 various communities that I was involved in, and I 15 believe I can I understand what goes on in there and the 16 differences between that and the private sector, so -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: How long you lived here? 18 MR. MANS: Moved here in 2001, so we've been 19 here gosh, several years. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Great. Thank you. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Sir. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Mr. Bolton. 24 MR. BOLTON: Good morning. Thank you for 25 letting me come. I grew up to Alvin, Texas, which is 18 1 between Houston and Galveston. For most of us the claim 2 to fame is that Nolan Ryan lived down the street from 3 me, and he lived in a rat shack house, and tore it down 4 when he got his big contract with the Astros. I 5 remember we ran cows and Nolan would -- if our cows got 6 out would put them up, and then call us and say come get 7 them. So if you want to say good things about Nolan, I 8 would say you're right. 9 Went to Abilene Christian, finished up my 10 education -- or graduated from ACU, finished up my 11 education at UT, so that would be a good thing, with an 12 MBA. I had a chance to go up to Lubbock, in the summers 13 I worked at a church camp and met my wife at a church 14 came in Las Vegas, New Mexico. We lived in Lubbock, 15 basically in the Panhandle where I was a banker. 16 Whenever Wells Fargo-Norwest came to Texas they bought 17 us out, and at that point I started getting into 18 investment business. 19 In that world one thing that we talked about 20 was I started buying real estate when all the banks were 21 failing, and that's kind of a background in real estate 22 also. We moved to Houston, and then to Kerrville with 23 RBC and my business partner Russell King grew up in RBC. 24 He was the best man in my wedding, and I always told him 25 I'd get to Kerrville when I could. 19 1 We have four children. They were all in the 2 stock show. The boys showed the goats -- or sold a 3 goats, and the girls sold sheep -- or showed sheep, 4 sorry. And we're ready for them to get out of the 5 house, that the oldest one is 17, she's a senior this 6 year. 7 So I worked on the Main Street Board. I've 8 worked on some other non-profit boards, but I'm looking 9 forward to working with y'all. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good deal. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We got one other 13 statistic with Alvin other than Nolan Ryan is I think it 14 still holds the record in the contiguous United States 15 for rain fall. 42 inches in 24 hours. 42 inches, and I 16 was there. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: You were there in 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I was there. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Is there any 20 further discussion? There being none those in favor of 21 the motion signify by raising their right hands. It's 22 three zero. One abstention, myself. Thank you very 23 much, gentlemen, and congratulations. 24 Item 1.2 on the agenda, consider, discuss 25 and take appropriate action, including but not limited 20 1 to, reviewing the construction plan and approving 2 advertising for bids for the contractor for the 216th 3 District Attorney's office in the Sheriff's Annex. 4 Peter Lewis, how are you today, Sir? 5 MR. LEWIS: Good morning. Thank you, Judge. 6 I'm well. How about yourself? 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Not bad for an old man. 8 MR. LEWIS: Commissioners, good morning. 9 I'm here on behalf of my client Lucy Wilke. We are 10 requesting permission to go up for competitive bids for 11 the 16 hundred square foot finish-out of what is 12 currently a fitness space over in the Sheriff's Annex 13 next to the 198th. And we had sets of drawings to 14 review last week, I'll be happy to discuss any aspect of 15 those. It's a finish-out space be 5 offices, a 16 workroom, breakroom, conference area, administrative 17 both ends, and reception and sports space. That being 18 said, we would look to go to advertisement and have been 19 working with the County Clerk on Wednesday, the 25th and 20 would advertise for four weeks. We would expect to take 21 bids -- receive bids on the 19th, but to have them 22 opened here in Commissioners' Court on the 26th. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Lucy, you have 24 anything you'd like to add? 25 MRS. WILKE: No. Good morning, Judge, 21 1 Commissioners. I do not have anything to add. We 2 submitted some proposed plans back in June, I believe, 3 sometime somewhere before you began the budget process. 4 These are pretty much the same plans, I think with the 5 only change being some cabinetry to add a full-size 6 refrigerator for our office. But other than that I 7 think it's pretty much the same. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And these are all 9 budgeted funds for this project, correct? 10 MRS. WILKE: Correct, they are. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Hopefully to come in within 12 what we budgeted. 13 MRS. WILKE: Yes, we're hoping very much so. 14 MR. LEWIS: That is our sincere hope. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move we approve 16 authorizing going out for bid for the renovation of the 17 jail annex for the 216th District Attorney's office. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second, and a 19 comment that he's usually very quiet and doesn't say 20 anything, but Sheriff, you got anything? 21 MRS. WILKE: He does not. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, the only issue we 23 have, and we'll see in the bond issue, but you know 24 jailers use that fitness, and a lot of county employees 25 do, and right now we have no other place for it. Now, 22 1 the building was originally built so that the 216th DA 2 would be able to move into it, but we've got about a 3 hundred thousand dollars worth of equipment in it with 4 no home. So if there's enough left out of this bond 5 issue, and if this Court approves it, and you can do it 6 since it is jail staff also and training, I'd like to 7 put up a metal building out there next to the jail that 8 we could still move all the equipment into to be able to 9 have a fitness area for the jailers and county staff. 10 And that's what -- so timing may be an issue and we've 11 got to see where we are on the bond issue, since we did 12 come in under budget on that, so that's our hopes would 13 be able to do that, because that is a lot of good 14 equipment out there. And when you get jailers and 15 officers, you know, working out and getting exercise 16 they normally don't really do it in public fitness 17 centers, it just doesn't work out well. So we're just 18 trying to hope that, so we'll see. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Thank you, 20 Sheriff. All right, I heard Commissioner Letz make a 21 motion. Did you make a second? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I believe I did. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, and seconded by 24 Commissioner Moser pursuant to item 1.2 on the agenda, 25 and that's to approve the construction plan and 23 1 approving the advertising for bids for a contractor for 2 the 216th District Attorney's office in the Sheriff's 3 Annex. Is there any further discussion or comment? 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, a question. 5 County Attorney, is the time frame on the bids within 6 statutory four weeks? 7 MRS. STEBBINS: I haven't looked, but they 8 said they've been working with the County Clerk, and she 9 usually tells them the appropriate time for the bids, 10 and opening the bids. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, any further 13 comments or questions? 14 If not, those in favor of the motion signify 15 by raising your right hands. It's three zero, 16 unanimous. One abstention, myself. Thank you, Mr. 17 Lewis. 18 MRS. WILKE: Thank you. 19 MR. LEWIS: Thank you. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.3 on the agenda, 21 consider, discuss and take appropriate action for the 22 Court to approve the revision of the Plat for Lot 166 of 23 Spicer Ranch No. 3, Volume 3, Page 85 in Precinct 1. 24 Now, let me say that this is a timed item, 25 and Mr. Belew has requested that he be present for this. 24 1 He's attending a funeral this morning and probably won't 2 be here until about 10:30, so he asked that you make 3 your presentation, Charlie. You go ahead and make your 4 presentation now, but we'll also continue this one until 5 Commissioner Belew gets here, and then we'll finish the 6 last part of it. 7 Now, if there's anyone here besides Mr. -- 8 in addition to Mr. Copisarow, the gentleman that has -- 9 I don't know if that's a Spanish or Italian name, but 10 has a big British accent. If there's anyone here 11 besides him that wants to be here for that hearing, 12 we're go to put it off until Commissioner Belew gets 13 here probably around 10:30 is what he told me, so if 14 you're here for that then please come back at 10:30 for 15 the second portion, or the rest of the story as they 16 say. All right, go ahead, Charlie. 17 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Lot 166 of Spicer 18 Ranch No. 3 was subdivided without a revision of plat by 19 the previous owner, and then it was sold as two separate 20 lots, a two-acre and a seven-acre lot. Both of the new 21 owners were notified of the platting requirements to 22 revise the plat in August of 2017. The owner of the 23 two-acre lot has presented to y'all a revision of plat 24 for lot 166-A, it will be a two acres out of the 25 existing Lot 166, which is currently 9.09 acres. The 25 1 remainder of lot 166, the 7.09 acres must be platted 2 before it can be developed, and the public hearing was 3 held on January 8th of this year. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. All right, I 5 think we'll continue the rest of it now until 10:30. 6 Mr. Copisarow, you're welcome to stay and listen to this 7 if you would like. 8 MR. COPISAROW: I'm loving this. Thank you. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: You can leave if you wish, 10 too, and come back about 10:30. Okay, thank you. 11 We'll go to item 1.4 on the agenda, this is 12 a timed item at 9:05. Consider, discuss and take 13 appropriate action for the Court to approve the revision 14 of plat for lots 12, 13 and 14 of Weis Acres, Volume 3, 15 Page 135, situated in Precinct 4. Mr. Hastings. 16 MR. HASTINGS: This revision of plat 17 combines Lots 12, 13 and 14 into lot 12-A comprising a 18 total of 4.32 acres. The public hearing was held on 19 January 8th, and the County Engineer requests the Court 20 approve the revision of plat for lot 12-A of Weis Acres, 21 Volume 3, Page 135, Precinct 4. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Mr. Hastings, we've 23 discussed this, am I correct, this is just taking three 24 lots and making one lot -- 25 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. 26 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- out of it? 2 MR. HASTINGS: That is correct. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's not dividing it 4 into more? 5 MR. HASTINGS: Correct. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And for the record it 7 meets all of our requirements? 8 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, it does. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval of 10 the agenda item as written. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved by Commissioner Reeves, 13 seconded by Commissioner Letz, this is item 1.4 on the 14 agenda to approve the revision of plats for lots 12, 13 15 and 14 of Weis Acres of record in Volume 3, Page 135 of 16 the plat records of Kerr County, Texas. Is there any 17 further comment or discussion? There being none those 18 in favor signify by raising the your right hand. It's a 19 three zero vote, one abstention, myself, it passes. 20 All right, now we go to item 1.5 -- well -- 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: 1.7. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: We better go 1.7, which is a 23 timed item supposed to have been heard at 9:15, 24 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 25 contract for aerial photography with Pictometry, 27 1 whatever that is, and authorize the County Judge to sign 2 same. Mr. Trolinger. 3 MR. TROLINGER: Thank you, Sir. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: What is Pictometry in 5 MR. TROLINGER: Pictometry EagleView is 6 the -- and I don't think the microphone's on, provides 7 pictures like these that you see on the screen. And 8 they're key to central appraisal district's business. 9 They're joined at the hip, if you were -- if you will, 10 with the technology, it's integrated into the software 11 system that they have, and they've made a point that 12 they want to continue on with this. We did have one -- 13 we did have multiple participants paying into this, 14 entities within the County. One has dropped out, but I 15 have budgeted, and I believe the Central Appraisal 16 District wants to continue with this, and the 911 17 Commission, and they're present if you've got any 18 questions about that. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'd like to also point 20 out, and correct -- Charlie, you also utilize this 21 aerial photography, don't you? 22 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir, we do. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And it's vital for 24 your subdivision and roads and everything that you 25 study? 28 1 MR. HASTINGS: Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And we've been using 3 it for in partnership with these other entities, it's 4 just not those two. We get a vital part out of it, 5 don't we, Charlie? 6 MR. HASTINGS: Very much so, yes, Sir. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Is this like Google does it? 8 You can take that and turn it around and look at the 9 structure from all angles and all that, it's that kind 10 of a -- 11 MR. DEL TORO: Not from a street view as 12 Google has it when you're looking at it from the road, 13 they do give it a -- states here an oblique imagery at 14 any structure in the County, you can look at all sides, 15 all penetrations, everything. You get four views, plus 16 the -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: But not from the street. 18 MR. DEL TORO: Not from the street. And 19 it's at a much higher resolution than -- 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Sort of like Google. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a lot better than 22 Google. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: It's a lot better, okay. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A whole lot better. 25 MR. DEL TORO: It's vital for us in the 911 29 1 call center. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: I would think so, very 3 useful. 4 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And you also, Charlie, 5 use it for floodplain purposes, don't you? 6 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So what is the cost 8 sharing, John, how much from each? 9 MR. TROLINGER: It's about ten thousand 10 dollars per year per entity. And previously since we 11 had that one entity that dropped out it went over 12 budget, I think it was the year before last for me. But 13 this year I've included other projects to cover that in 14 excess of the amount required for this year. 15 Essentially, it's a three-year project, it's ten 16 thousand dollars per year per entity, and it's spread 17 out over three years, and we're billed each year for 18 that. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: County Attorney's approved? 20 MRS. STEBBINS: I don't remember reviewing 21 the -- 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: The contract's not 23 available yet. And I know we'll have to bring it back 24 for the Judge's authorization, but I feel like we oughta 25 approve working with the other two entities, subject to 30 1 the contract being brought back to the Court at the next 2 meeting. 3 MR. DEL TORO: It's the same exact contract 4 as we all signed in 2015. 5 MRS. STEBBINS: Which I reviewed at that 6 time. 7 MR. DEL TORO: Nothing's changed. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So it's the Appraisal 9 District, 911, and the County. 10 MR. DEL TORO: Yes. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Who dropped out? 12 MR. DEL TORO: KPUB dropped out. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the City has their 14 own system. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They were talked to 17 originally, and they declined because they do their own. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I feel from the 19 county's standpoint it's vital to engineering and 20 subdivision and floodplain management. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just a question. A 22 recollection, this was -- the reason it's on the agenda 23 is that it wasn't specifically talked about in budget, 24 or I mean -- 25 MR. TROLINGER: That's correct. It is not 31 1 in IT budget. I strictly have it as a future project. 2 So I did not designate this in the IT budget. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But you do have money in 4 your budget to do it? 5 MR. TROLINGER: And I do have money in my 6 budget yes, Sir. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 8 authorize the contract being presented to the County 9 Attorney to authorize the funding of Pictometry, and be 10 brought back at our next meeting for signature by the 11 County Judge. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a second? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 15 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Letz pursuant to item 16 1.7 on the agenda, and that is to approve the contract 17 contingent upon the County Attorney's approval of it for 18 the contract with Pictometry, and authorize the Judge to 19 sign it. This is with the various entities that were 20 named, that we're talking about the two entities are -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 911 and Appraisal 22 District. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: 911 and the Appraisal 24 District. All right, is there any further discussion or 25 comment? There being none, those in favor signify by 32 1 raising your right hands. It three zero, unanimous. 2 One abstention, myself. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. 4 MR. TROLINGER: Thank you. And thank y'all 5 for coming, very much. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Item 1.8 is a timed item 7 that should have been heard at 9:20 if we'd have had 8 time to do that. It's consider, discuss and take 9 appropriate action to approve and authorize the County 10 Judge to execute Ricoh hard drive surrender agreement 11 for the Juvenile Detention Facility. Mr. Trolinger. 12 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. In the past the 13 hard drives that we removed -- or have removed from the 14 copiers background on it is these hard drives contain 15 probably everything that's been copied or scanned on the 16 machine. The last go around here it looked like it was 17 a contract versus just a service agreement that the 18 office could sign, or a hand shake deal where the hard 19 drives were just handed over to us, so this looks like a 20 contract, and the County Attorney's reviewed it and said 21 it was a contract, and has approved it. 22 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, that's correct. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Now, you say everything has 24 been scanned on it. 25 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. 33 1 JUDGE POLLARD: What protection is there to 2 make sure there's nothing left on it so that for 3 protection of the juvenile's records? 4 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. So that's the 5 deal. We don't let the hard drive leave the facility. 6 We have it removed, and that's what this cost is about 7 is they've got to rebuild the machine, and we keep the 8 hard drive physically onsite. 9 MRS. STEBBINS: I have one change in the 10 indemnification section just to add the language to the 11 extent provided by law to the beginning of that 12 paragraph. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Which is the standard 14 verbiage usually on these? 15 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But other than that 17 you approve the contract? 18 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a motion? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 23 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser to approve the 24 surrender agreement as corrected by the County Attorney 25 for the hard drive at the Juvenile Detention Facility. 34 1 Any further discussion or comment? There being none 2 those in favor signify by raising their right hands. 3 It's three zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 4 Let's see, is there another timed one? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. 113 and 6 114. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, item 1.13 is a 8 times item, timed for 9:30. Annual report from the Kerr 9 County Historical Commission, and introduction of new 10 members. Somebody named Julie Leonard. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: She's new to the area. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 13 MS. LEONARD: Good morning. I would like to 14 propose some new members for our commission, several of 15 them are here. Halsey Bascom, stand up. Camille 16 Sandusky, and Bunny Bond. And then I'm also 17 recommending Dorothy Grayson, Kay Woodward, and Barbara 18 Burton. And I hope that -- several of them have done a 19 lot of work on our exhibit at KACC without being 20 members, so they've stepped up. So I think these people 21 will be some really great addition to our commission, so 22 I hope that you will approve them. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mention -- before you 24 do that, mention the KACC exhibit that you have, because 25 it's great. 35 1 MS. LEONARD: We are at the KACC, which is 2 right across the street, Kerr Arts and Cultural Center. 3 We have an exhibit called legacy of a river, and the -- 4 it's covering the influence of the Guadalupe River on 5 the development of Kerr County. We've got all kinds of 6 shingle making equipment, we visit camps, and industries 7 that have been influenced by the river and depend on the 8 river. We also have videos on floods, we've got lots of 9 flood pictures, which we all know about floods here. 10 But anyway, I think it'll be worth your while to go by 11 and check our exhibit out. It'll be up through February 12 25th, so -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: Julie, how many board 14 members are there if -- assuming these are approved? 15 Well, how many in addition to the ones you listed today? 16 MS. LEONARD: That'll be in my report. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Pardon? 18 MS. LEONARD: That'll be in my report. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Which she already did, 20 I think. 21 MS. LEONARD: Offhand, I think we have 55. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: 55. 23 MRS. LEONARD: And these people will make 24 60. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: So they're not limited by 36 1 any number, it's -- 2 MRS. LEONARD: No. In fact we're one of the 3 largest historical commissions that I know of. A lot of 4 them operate with seven people. So we've got quite a 5 big number of commission members. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 8 approve the members as read into the record by Julie 9 Leonard to the Kerr County Historical Commission. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I'll second that. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved by 12 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 13 approve new members appointed to the Board of the Kerr 14 County Historical Commission, and those names are -- 15 let's read them into the record again, Julie. Can you 16 read them again, the names of the new members. 17 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Could you read them 18 again for the record. 19 MRS. LEONARD: Oh, okay. Halsey Bascom, 20 Camille Sandusky, Bunny Bond, Dorothy Grayson, Kay 21 Woodward, and Barbara Burton. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you very much. All 23 right. Is there any further comment or discussion? If 24 not, those in favor of the motion about signify by 25 raising your right hands. It's three zero, unanimous. 37 1 One abstention, myself. Thank you, Julie. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Now she wants to give 3 her report. 4 MRS. LEONARD: My report, this is for 2017. 5 The Kerr County Historical Commission, also call 6 ourselves the KCHC, is charged with the protection of 7 Kerr County's historic and cultural resources for the 8 use, education, enjoyment and appreciation of present 9 and future generations. These purposes are different 10 from organizations focusing on genealogical or family 11 history preservation. 12 We are an unit of the Texas Historical 13 Commission and serve under the guidance of the Kerr 14 County Commissioners' Court. The KCHC was awarded the 15 distinguished service award by the Texas Historical 16 Commission for activities in 2016. This is our 8th 17 consecutive year to receive this distinction. 18 In 2017 the KCHC had 55 members that 19 volunteered 4140 hours to our preservation efforts. We 20 meet at noon at the Union Church building on the third 21 Monday of the month, with the exception of June, July, 22 August and December. 23 And I don't have this in my report, the 24 officers are Chair Julie Leonard, Vice Chair, Mike 25 Bowlin, Secretary Mary Lee Stewart, Treasurer Wilma 38 1 Teague. And we were also elected by acclamation to 2 serve another year. Anyway, so we'll be around another 3 year at least. 4 This year we had a wide variety of programs 5 that included Jennifer Stayton, she is a Schreiner 6 University digital projects librarian, and she gave 7 information on assessing our archive collection that is 8 maintained by Schreiner University. This agreement for 9 archives storage was made between the Kerr County 10 Commissioners and Schreiner University. I put 2003, but 11 it was 2009. And I think, Jonathan, you're probably the 12 only one that was a part of that. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's that old. 14 MRS. LEONARD: Also, another program was 15 Clifton Fifer, he portrayed John, a fictional survivor 16 of the Alamo. He received a standing ovation for his 17 singing, his period costume, and acting abilities that 18 added to his presentation. 19 Another program, history of Comanche Trace 20 and it's connecting the King Ranch heir Robert, Bobby 21 Shelton, by D. W. Neuenschwander. Another program 22 remembering the others, Deborah Gaudier gave history of 23 Kerr County men and boys lost in World War I that are 24 not widely known. Mark Stone and his wife Linda 25 presented a pictorial history of the restoration of the 39 1 Beitel Lumberyard building. It is now the event center 2 at Rails. The Stones have restored many local 3 businesses that would have been destroyed, and we really 4 appreciate their effort in Kerrville and Kerr County. 5 Weir Labatt, he was a decedent of Captain 6 Charles Schreiner on developing a paper history of Glen 7 Rest Cemetery. He gave a talk about interesting graves 8 and histories of some of the people that are buried 9 there. And they're planning to erect a detailed map of 10 the cemetery so that will be a really nice addition to 11 Glen Rest. 12 Another program featured a vintage video 13 produced by KCHC years ago and has attracted a large 14 crowd. We also give a Texas Treasures business award, 15 and it was presented to the Stephens Cedar Yard in 16 Ingram. This award is signed by our state senator and 17 house representative. It honors family businesses that 18 have existed for 50 years or more. 19 And we are most proud of our oral history 20 project, which is chaired by Francelle Collins, with 21 assistance from Bonnie Flory and Louis Stephens. They 22 do hour long videos recorded and are conducted with 23 county residents that have contributed to our county's 24 history and development. In some cases several of these 25 people have influenced world events. These interviews 40 1 are transcribed in printed format. Copies of videos and 2 printed versions are provided to the person interviewed. 3 Copies are also placed in the Kerr County History Center 4 and in the KCHC archives at Logan Library Schreiner 5 University. They also can be accessed and read on the 6 North Texas University "Portals to Texas" website, and 7 go to the Kerr County link. There are over a hundred 8 interviews of Kerr County residents to date. 9 Interviewed in 2017 were Wayne Rogers, Tivy 10 1957. His family arrived in Kerr County before 11 statehood. They have Peril Ranch on the Great Western 12 Trail, which is off Harper Road and follows the Great 13 Western Trail. He's a metallurgic engineer and retired 14 from Mooney Aircraft. 15 Joe Schmerber, Tivy 1956. He's a retired 16 Mooney executive, and he has a large collection of 17 Mooney memorabilia, and he's looking for a home for his 18 fabulous collection. 19 Another interview Wilma Council Teague, Tivy 20 graduate 1959. Her father owned a lumber yard where the 21 HEB is located now. He was a home builder in Kerr 22 County, and her grandfather helped build the original 23 Tivy High School. 24 James "Bud" Wright, Tivy 1959. Bud was part 25 of the U.S. Governments worldwide program that 41 1 originated in Kerr County to eradicate the screwworm 2 that decimated livestock herds. 3 Lois Shaw and Evelyn Shields will give 4 memories of growing up in the Kerr County African 5 American community in the 1940's and 1950's. 6 Raul "Rocky" Hernandez, Tivy 1960. Viet Nam 7 purple heart recipient, and his family established the 8 popular Acapulco Restaurant. 9 Retired District Judge Robert "Bob" Barton 10 and Joyce Taylor Barton, Tivy 1955. Bob served as Kerr 11 County Attorney and District Attorney. He was a founder 12 of the local band "Poverty Playboys", and his wife Joyce 13 is an artist and worked in Bob's office. His son Clay 14 is Deputy Sheriff -- deputy -- Chief Deputy in the 15 Sheriff's Department. 16 Also another interview was former Kerrville 17 police officer Bob Zumwalt. I never got to know Bob, 18 thank goodness. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: I did, officially. 20 MRS. LEONARD: 1958 Tivy. He was part of a 21 1957 man police force that shared one police cruiser. 22 Wayne O'Bryant, Tivy 1959(sic). His family 23 owned and operated the original Five Points Restaurant 24 in the 40's and 50's. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: Correct -- correct that year 42 1 of Tivy, it's 1957, we were classmates; not '59, okay? 2 MRS. LEONARD: Okay. What year? 3 JUDGE POLLARD: '57. 4 MRS. LEONARD: Okay. I -- I have '57. Did 5 I say '59? 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 7 MRS. LEONARD: Okay. Anyway, Ron Girard, 8 1957. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Also. 10 MRS. LEONARD: Y'all had an interesting 11 class, didn't you? 12 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. Active, I guess. 13 MRS. LEONARD: Tom's part of that class so 14 he can be proud. 15 His family -- Ron Girard's family 16 homesteaded in Kerr County around 1860. He joined the 17 U.S. Air Force as a navigator. In 1963 he was recruited 18 by the CIA for a highly classified project in Las Vegas, 19 Nevada known as Area 51 involving the A12 Spy Plane. He 20 received a distinguished flying cross, the meritorious 21 service award and several other awards for service in 22 Viet Nam and for his country. 23 Our marker program dedications, Deborah 24 Gaudier is the Marker Chair. Josephine Carr and Scott 25 Schreiner house is at the Kerrville regional history 43 1 center. Doyle Colored School, the Beitel Lumberyard, 2 Aransas Pass Railroad Depot, which is Rails Restaurant. 3 And Timothy Peterson marker will be 4 dedicated this spring. And I just got word the Barnett 5 chapel marker we got from Austin to approve the 6 inscription on it, so it'll probably be going to the 7 foundry soon, and hopefully be dedicated this year. 8 Also, we're very excited the Starkey cemetery marker was 9 finally installed after a seven year wait to be 10 retrieved from the Starkey family. And that cemetery is 11 located east of the Walmart parking lot. 12 Another great project we have is the 13 "Portals to Texas" website, and we received grant 14 funding for the past four years, thanks to Mary Lane 15 Jones. And our submissions this year our oral history 16 include Arthur and Robert Bell, Bob Blackburn, Spencer 17 and Pinky Brown, and I understand that Spencer had to 18 work to get his interview in because Pinky was taking 19 over. Burkett Lochte and me, Clifton Fifer, Cindy 20 Finley, Ray and Dub Haney, which we're so happy to have 21 because they're both deceased, Raymond Hardy, Sylvia and 22 Joe Louis, Doris and Janice Lowrance, John Milford 23 Mosty, Bertha Priour, Jane Ragsdale, Gretchen Hicey, and 24 Cecil Wilburn. And several books and booklets were 25 included in this -- in our submission, including Louis 44 1 Dominguez, Elizabeth Furman, Harrett Garrett, Bob 2 Ramsey, Michael Bowlin, Irene Van Winkle, and William 3 Campion. And the Kerr County website is Mike Bowlin, 4 and we have a -- we have a Kerr County on the website we 5 have link, and we -- it has honored request for photos 6 and information from travel providers, Kerr Area 7 Convention and Business Center, Kerr County Veterans 8 Affairs, Schreiner University, San Antonio Institute of 9 Texas Cultures. Also, Bob Bullock history museum, and 10 Mike has answered individual history requests from 43 11 states and 3 foreign countries, and Mike is just a 12 genius about Kerr County history. And we also thank 13 you, John, for helping us with our website -- 14 MR. TROLINGER: You're welcome. 15 MRS. LEONARD: -- it's been very successful. 16 Thank you. And we also stay connected with a Facebook 17 page. It has 484 members that follow our site. And I 18 want to add, too, that our cemetery committee Linda 19 Nelson Reynolds, she's gone around to many Kerr County 20 cemeteries, she takes pictures of the graves, and puts 21 it on find a grave, so she's been real busy doing that, 22 along working four jobs. 23 And also, I want to thank Harley who's not 24 here, he's been real helpful for his support and 25 interest, and also thank the Commissioners for their 45 1 support, and to Jody -- where is Jody? She's been 2 helpful, too. 3 And also I want to invite you again to our 4 exhibit "Legacy of a River", and it'll be there through 5 February 25th. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you, Ma'am. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Great report. You guys 8 do a lot of -- how often do y'all meet, once a month? 9 MRS. LEONARD: Once a month at noon. And 10 our meetings rarely last over an hour, and we also have 11 a program, so we don't -- 12 JUDGE POLLARD: At the Union Church. What'd 13 you say third weekend of the each month? 14 MS. LEONARD: Pardon. 15 MR. KELLY: Third Monday. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Julie, for 17 what you do. 18 MRS. LEONARD: I want to add that we need 19 storage space. Our room downstairs is packed. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah, Julie came to see me 21 about that recently. 22 MRS. LEONARD: Everybody needs storage 23 space? 24 JUDGE POLLARD: We're going to look into 25 that. 46 1 MRS. LEONARD: Okay, thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I believe we have to 3 accept this report according to the State, so I make a 4 motion that we accept the annual report from the 5 Historical Commission. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I second that. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 8 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser to accept the 9 annual report as read into the record by Julie Leonard 10 on behalf of the Kerr County Historical Commission 11 pursuant to item 1.13 of the agenda. Is there any 12 further discussion? There being none those in favor 13 signify by raising your right hands. It's three zero, 14 unanimous. One abstention, myself. 15 Let's go to item 1.14 consider, discuss and 16 take appropriate action concerning opening sealed 17 competitive bids and awarding a contract to the lowest 18 qualified bidder for the countywide facilities HVAC coil 19 combing project as a result of the 2016 hail storm. Mr. 20 Hastings. 21 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. ARMKO, our 22 consultant, has prepared plans and specifications to 23 repair 72 HVAC units by combing and cleaning the coils. 24 On December 11th, 2017 the Court authorized the project 25 to be advertised in the Hill Country Community Journal 47 1 for Friday December the 15th and Friday, December the 2 22nd, 2017. A walk-through conference was held at 3 9 a.m. on Tuesday, January the 9th, 2018 at the Kerr 4 County Courthouse with visits to all of the facilities, 5 and competitive sealed bids were received by the County 6 Clerk, and they should be all marked no later than 7 2 p.m. on Friday, January the 19th, 2018. 8 The County Engineer requests that the County 9 Judge open all the bids stamped on or before 2 p.m. 10 January 19th, 2018 and read aloud the name of the 11 contractor, the contractor's acknowledgement of 12 Addendums, that would be on page 2. Inclusion of a bid 13 bond, and make sure they got a bid bond, and the 14 contractor's lump sum proposal amount, that's on page 5. 15 So we're looking for pages 2 and 5, and I'll keep track 16 of those and see if we can get a low qualified bid and 17 maybe even get that awarded today. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, for the record, 20 I believe we received 5 bids, is that correct what you 21 have -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- Commissioner? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, it is. First bid 25 we received is from Bosworth Company. 48 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Mr. Hastings, do you 2 want the bids read out? 3 MR. HASTINGS: If we could please read 4 the -- for the record whether or not they acknowledged 5 the bid -- they've got a bid bond, and that they've 6 acknowledged in the addendum. The addendum I think is 7 on page 2, should be a little place for them to write 8 in. There was only one addendum, addendum number 1. 9 They should have written in addendum 1. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bosworth, I do not see 11 anything in that addendum, initialed. 12 MR. HASTINGS: I can just look at one with 13 you right quick just to see if we're on the page. 14 Yes, that one right there, they need to 15 acknowledge that. So they should have written it in. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That was not -- that was 17 the only thing we're looking for? 18 MR. HASTINGS: We're looking for that on 19 page 2, and then I think on page 5 the lump sum 20 proposal. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The lump sum proposal is 22 38,700. 23 MR. HASTINGS: Okay. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The second one is from 25 ARMKO Industries, they put a 1 on the addendum, and 49 1 their total was lump sum proposal is 14,300. 2 MR. HASTINGS: ARMKO's the one that put it 3 together, so that it's a different contractor's name. I 4 think ARMKO is on the top of the header. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Oh, sorry. It's Morris 6 A/C & Heating, DBA Airtech. 7 Next one is from Allied HVACR. They did not 8 put anything in on the addendum page, and their lump sum 9 was 35,318.75. 10 And next is from Countywide HVAC. They put 11 a 1 on the addendum blank, and their total lump sum was 12 21,555. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And for the record 14 there was a flash drive included but I don't know what 15 it references. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is from Way 17 Engineering, and on page 2 they put a 1 where the 18 addendum blank was, and their lump sum is 31,777. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Pretty wide variance. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No kidding. 21 MR. HASTINGS: If I could -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One more -- no. I got 23 that one. All righty. 24 MR. HASTINGS: If I could have all of them 25 I'd like to check through them, and then later today be 50 1 able to hopefully award -- 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion we 3 accept all bids and refer to the County Engineer for 4 review and recommendation. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 7 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to refer all of 8 the bids -- were there five bids? 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All five bids to the County 11 Engineer for review and maybe come back before 12 Commissioners' Court closes for award at this session. 13 Is there any further comment or discussion? If not, 14 those in favor of the motion signify by raising your 15 right hands. It's three zero, unanimous. One 16 abstention, myself. All right, is there another timed 17 item? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Not until 11 o'clock. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Oh, at 11 o'clock. Let's go 20 back to 1.5 on the agenda. Consider, discuss and take 21 appropriate action on Resolution regarding the craft 22 agricultural industry. Commissioner Moser and Letz. 23 And Charlie McIlvain wishes to speak on that issue, too. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me start it off, if 25 I may. I think we discussed it at the last 51 1 Commissioners' Court about permit reductions and had to 2 do with the craft agriculture industry, and the craft 3 agriculture industry essentially is composed of grape 4 vineyards, wineries, olive groves and products, 5 breweries, brewpubs, distilleries, and the market 6 associated therewith. 7 Commissioner Letz and I were talking the 8 other day, and thought it would be a good idea if we had 9 something in the form of a Resolution where the Court is 10 advocating this craft agriculture industry. The Chamber 11 of Commerce and the Visitors -- Convention & Visitors 12 Bureau has been working this along with a committee for 13 how long? 14 MR. MCILVAIN: Almost a year. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Almost a year. I've 16 been serving on that committee trying to promote the 17 things in Precinct 2 for wineries, and also to get the 18 alcoholic beverage on the ballot in November. So with 19 that I drafted a Resolution, and I'll wait to read that 20 Resolution if we want to let Charlie -- Charlie, if you 21 want to speak to the subject first? 22 MR. MCILVAIN: Thank you, Judge, 23 Commissioners. I'm Charlie McIlvain, President and CEO 24 of the Kerrville Convention & Visitors Bureau. The 25 craft agricultural committee has worked on this project 52 1 as mentioned for a year or a little over. It is an 2 important component for the tourism product mix that we 3 have here in Kerr County, which tourism generates 92 4 million dollars, fresh dollars, into our community each 5 year. It employees or creates 1500 jobs, and generates 6 over six million dollars in tax revenue, so this is an 7 important component to that product mix. The Convention 8 & Visitors Bureau certainly endorses this project, and 9 if it's not too early, we also endorse item 1.6 for the 10 same reason, and that we're aware that reduction in this 11 fee will greatly be overcome by the tax revenue that's 12 generated by the agricultural industry. Thank you very 13 much. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks, Charlie. If I 15 may, I'll read the Resolution into the record. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Before you read it, have 17 you caught the two typos? 18 MRS. STEBBINS: I caught one typo. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In line one grape is 20 misspelled. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, yeah gape. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Should be grape there. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I would have read it 24 that way. 25 MRS. STEBBINS: Which Resolution are y'all 53 1 talking about? Are you talking about the 1.5 or 1.6 in 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 1.5. 1.5. 3 MRS. STEBBINS: Okay. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then on the third -- 5 fourth whereas it should be Hill Country; not Hill 6 County. 7 The fifth whereas, I'm not sure if it -- 8 should it be exists or exist, I'm not sure which is the 9 correct way. To me it reads kind of strange, but anyway 10 it's not that big a deal. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's exist. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Exist. On the "NOW, 13 THEREFORE" -- these aren't typos, these are just 14 suggestions. I think it's clearer what it says, it says 15 -- the first one is that it would say Kerr County 16 promotes and encourages development and enhancement of 17 craft agriculture in Kerr County. It's to have Kerr 18 County rather than to use "it". 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the same on the 21 third one is that Kerr County will appoint this, so it's 22 a little bit stronger. And I think that one other -- 23 and I question a little bit the one year when I read 24 this one. A third one, which I think helps is Kerr 25 County has and continues to support craft agriculture by 54 1 granting economic incentives to qualifying businesses in 2 Kerr County. And the reason I say that, it's kind of 3 the gist of it, but what comes to mind is I notice it's 4 talked about when we did the tax abatement for -- gosh, 5 went blank on the -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bending Branch. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bending Branch. And 8 that was over a year ago. I mean we have been -- craft 9 agriculture has been something that this Court 10 supported. And I think it helps, you know, that this 11 isn't the first time we've look at this, we've done 12 economic incentives in the past on this in the form of 13 tax abatements. So I think that, you know, if it's all 14 right, I'd like to add those. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. Let me read into 16 the record, if I may, just to get it on there. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As corrected. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: As corrected. And then 19 I'll introduce what he just said. 20 Resolution to promote and encourage the 21 development and advancement of the craft agricultural 22 industry in Kerr County, that's the Resolution. Whereas 23 craft agriculture components include but are not limited 24 to grape vineyards, wineries, olive groves and products, 25 breweries, brewpubs, distilleries and markets. Let me 55 1 pause right there. If you look up on the screen this is 2 not something many people have seen in Kerr County, this 3 is Turtle Creek olive grove. It's just being put in. 4 There's hundreds of olive trees that are planted there, 5 so I think as Commissioner Letz said some of the 6 wineries down toward Comfort and Center Point are there, 7 we've got Kerrville Winery on the north side of the 8 Interstate 10, so what we're doing is looking at this as 9 a continuation of that all the way through the county, 10 and then probably all the way down into Comfort and 11 Kendall County, also where there's some wineries, so I 12 think it has great potential. Let me keep going with 13 this. 14 Whereas, the industry is compatible with the 15 beauty and enhancement of the Texas Hill Country, and 16 the tranquility of the Guadalupe River going through the 17 County, and whereas Kerr County, based on the 18 assessments by the Kerrville Economic Development 19 Corporation, is a prime location for this emerging 20 industry due to the soil, rain and weather conditions, 21 and, whereas the industry has been successful in other 22 similar areas of the Hill Country. That's code for 23 Gillespie County. And whereas segments of the industry 24 exist and interest has been shown by other entities in 25 Kerr County to grow the industry, and whereas, the craft 56 1 agricultural industry provides multi-faceted 2 opportunities for Kerr County in the form of new revenue 3 streams for Kerr County, new opportunities for business 4 startups, relocation or expansion, additional employment 5 opportunities for residents of Kerr County, and 6 additional product mix components for visitors to Kerr 7 County. 8 Now, therefore, be it resolved by 9 Commissioners of Kerr County that: Number 1, Kerr 10 County promotes and encourages the development and 11 enhancement of craft agriculture industry in the County, 12 and number 2, Kerr County will appoint a county official 13 to represent the county on the Kerrville Chamber of 14 Commerce craft agriculture committee. And if you'd 15 repeat that number 3, Jonathan. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 3 is Kerr County has and 17 continues to support craft agriculture by granting 18 economic incentives to qualifying businesses in Kerr 19 County. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, and with that I 21 make a motion that we approve this Resolution. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second that. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 24 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve the 25 Resolution as just read into the record, pursuant to 57 1 item 1.5 on the agenda, which is a Resolution regarding 2 the craft agriculture industry in Kerr County. All 3 right, is there any further comment or discussion? 4 There being none, those in favor signify by raising 5 their right hands. It's three zero, unanimous. One 6 abstention, myself. 7 Item 1.6, a related matter. Consider, 8 discuss and take appropriate action regarding reduction 9 of fees paid to Kerr County for permits and licenses for 10 businesses operating within the sector of the craft 11 agriculture and that manufacture alcohol beverages. 12 Commissioner Moser and Walt Koenig. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Do you want to start 14 off on that, Walt? 15 MR. WALTERS: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let me just background, 17 we brought this up before, and it was recommended by 18 Commissioner Belew that we truncate the scope of this to 19 breweries and associated businesses like that. And I 20 think Heather has rewritten and prepared this draft, am 21 I correct? 22 MRS. STEBBINS: I did have one correction in 23 the third paragraph to delete the first "be". 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct what? 25 MRS. STEBBINS: In the third paragraph it 58 1 says "applicants are be", take out that "be", so it 2 should say "applicants are required". 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 4 MR. KOENIG: Just to recap, some of the 5 comments I've made before -- excuse me. The Chamber of 6 Commerce is very supportive of the craft agriculture 7 industry, and we are setting aside significant resources 8 to develop the same -- excuse me. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: You need some water? 10 MR. KOENIG: Maybe, yeah. Why don't you go 11 ahead. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know where you 13 were in that, Walt. Well anyway, I think the Resolution 14 is as drafted by the County Attorney reflects the types 15 of things that we want to do -- 16 MR. KOENIG: Yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- and in the fees 18 associated with brewer's permits, brewer's 19 self-distributing permits, brewpub license, winery 20 permit, distiller's and rectifier's permit, and 21 manufacture's license, manufacture's self-distribution 22 license, and manufacture's wholesale license. So those 23 are the things which we are recommending in this 24 Resolution that the license and permits fee be reduced, 25 and the County shall charge the lower of one half of the 59 1 permit fee, license paid to the state, or to the fee -- 2 well for on-premise wine and/or beer retailers. And I 3 think that's the big, big portion right there. That 4 would essentially reduce -- and Jeremy, correct me if 5 I'm wrong here, reduce it from $750.00 to a $150.00, is 6 that about correct? 7 MR. WALTHER: To a $175.00. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: $175.00, okay. So 9 that's -- without reading the whole Resolution into the 10 record, I submit it for the record as written, and make 11 a motion that we approve the Resolution. 12 MS. DIANE BOLIN: May I say something, 13 please? Each of these, the four that were identified to 14 me that would fall under this category, each of them 15 have two separate permits. Mr. Walther has one that 16 would be 15 hundred dropped down to 175, the second one 17 was 250, which would be dropped down to 175, is that 18 correct, or do you want the overall total cost of that 19 175? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, what we're doing 21 is proposing the permit fees for all these entities be a 22 $175.00. 23 (Commissioner Belew is present.) 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But each; not combined. 25 He'd have two. 60 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Each permit and 2 each fee, correct. 3 MS. DIANE BOLIN: All right. Clarified. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll second, but I have 5 some comments and slight change. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Sure. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In the first sentence 8 where it says the Commissioners' Court of Kerr County 9 supports the development of craft agriculture industry 10 within Kerr County, I'd like to add the word as set 11 forth in Kerr County Resolution blank, whatever the 12 number will be for that Resolution, so tie it back to 13 that Resolution. And the other -- the question I have 14 is I'm still concerned. I want to make this as narrow 15 as possible, because I'm still concerned about the other 16 occupational payers wanting to come and get a reduction. 17 And what I want to look at is under the -- where it says 18 "2) the fee applicable for an on-premises wine and beer 19 retailer. Do all on-premises pay the same fee, or is 20 it -- and I'm saying that because I met with Diane 21 earlier, some of them pay a big -- like $2,000.00. 22 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Yeah. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And is that a different 24 license, or is it the same on-premises, because we're 25 going to reduce Cowboy Steakhouse, Chili's and some of 61 1 those others because they have on-premises licenses but 2 they're a lot higher than 175. 3 MS. DIANE BOLIN: Correct. 4 MR. WALTHER: TABC does have a permit called 5 beer and wine on-premises license. That is the permit 6 that would be -- I believe that they're referring to 7 that is $175.00 permit. So it's not clear enough 8 that -- I think you're asking can we -- you would like 9 to see what specific permit. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, if we're saying 11 we're tieing it to the applicant for an on-premises beer 12 retailer, well some of them are paying $2,000.00 right 13 now. 14 MR. WALTHER: Not for a beer and wine 15 license; they're paying a liquor permit. So they 16 would -- like Cowboy Steakhouse for example would have 17 probably a mixed, they have multiple. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I just want to make sure 19 that -- 20 MRS. STEBBINS: I think it's appropriately 21 tailored by the list below. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good point. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think this provides 25 a very good economic incentive for advancing some of the 62 1 places like Pint & Plow attracting other ones in here. 2 I think it provides -- while it does cost the county a 3 little money, I think it will be more than made up, or 4 in hopes it will be more than made up by the visitors as 5 Charlie has indicated. So I think this is very good way 6 to approach it. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I agree. I think 8 looking back at -- the Auditor provided me about for the 9 last 15 years all the permits and fees, that was total 10 for everything, it was like average about ten thousand a 11 year or so. It's not a big thing in our budget; it's 12 significant, but I agree with Bob, it's an incentive 13 that would probably be a big return on investment, or 14 could. And to encourage things like this -- this olive 15 grove here, okay. So it's moved and seconded. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: As amended with a little 18 bit of that language. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, right. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, it's been moved 21 by Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Letz, 22 pursuant to item 1.6 on the agenda, that is to reduce 23 the fees paid to Kerr County for permits and licenses 24 for businesses operating within the sector of craft 25 agriculture and that manufacture alcoholic beverages in 63 1 accordance with the agenda package as submitted. Is 2 there are any further comment or discussion? There 3 being none, those in favor signify by raising your right 4 hands. It's four zero, unanimous. One abstention, 5 myself. 6 Let the record reflect that Commissioner 7 Belew just arrived and participated in that vote. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, could we have a 9 recess? 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Ten-minute break. 11 (Ten-minute break.) 12 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, recess is over, 13 we're back in session. Hold it down, please, we're back 14 in session now. As soon as Mr. Moser comes back up, and 15 Mr. Letz comes back in. 16 I think what we'll do at this time is we'll 17 go back to 1.3, which is the revision of plat for lot 18 166 of Spicer Ranch No. 3, and since Mr. Belew -- 19 Commissioner Belew is back here now, and Mr. Copis -- 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Copisarow: 21 JUDGE POLLARD: -- arow is here. All 22 interested parties are here. Mr. Hastings has made his 23 pitch, and we'll take this matter up again, and do you 24 wish to say anything, Mr. Copisarow. 25 MR. COPISAROW: I would like to, yes, 64 1 please. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, please approach. 3 MR. COPISAROW: Thank you. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: State your full name and 5 your address, please. 6 MR. COPISAROW: Yes. My name is Richard 7 Copisarow and I live at 1002 Linda Joy in Kerrville. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. 9 MR. COPISAROW: And I've been a resident 10 here for -- since 2009. I'm not a public speaker, so 11 forgive me, but I've got about three minutes of key 12 points. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: You're not limited to three 14 on this, but go ahead. You're speaking on an item that 15 is on the agenda, and not limited. But if you would, 16 I'd appreciate it. 17 MR. COPISAROW: All right, thank you. But 18 I'm British, and I have to remove all the adjectives 19 before every noun. So the request here of the Court was 20 to subdivide an already subdivided lot of 9 acres into 2 21 acres and into 7 acres. And the bank foreclosed on 2 22 acres, and I and my wife had purchased the 7 acres. And 23 there was plenty of understanding, which was all 24 incorrect that these were two separate lots; it was not. 25 It's still a 9-acre lot. 65 1 I'm asking for the Court literally to do 2 nothing. I'm not sure how often you get asked to do 3 nothing, but that's my request, and I don't believe that 4 the Court has to approve or is required to approve 5 anything at all. This -- respectfully, this problem was 6 caused by the bank. If we backtrack just a little bit 7 the bank made a loan to Mr. Will Slusher, who is now 8 deceased. And for reasons in the banking world the bank 9 wanted just 2 acres to be separated from the 7 acres, so 10 there was not too much value in the land, and it was a 11 smaller piece of land and a house that they were lending 12 money on, and the 2 acres should have either have been 13 secured by the full 9 acres as one lot that this house 14 was going to be on, or at that time they should have 15 asked to have the 2 acres and the 7 acres partitioned, 16 which they didn't, and so now they have a property that 17 is on a 9-acre lot, and we have some land on this 9-acre 18 lot, and they presumably would like to be able to sell 19 it, and/or fix it up and sell it, and they need to make 20 it clearer when they sell exactly what they're selling. 21 Not a portion of a lot, but a specific lot itself. 22 I personally believe this is a private civil 23 matter, and between two parties, it's between the bank, 24 and my wife and I. And just like a partnership where 25 ^ is there ^ there's perhaps a disagreement, we need to 66 1 resolve it ourselves. I've made a proposal to the bank 2 that one party simply buys out the other, and I've 3 specifically asked them if they would like to give me a 4 figure and give me the option of either buying or 5 selling. I think it needs to remain one parcel as the 6 Court originally approved when this subdivision of this 7 plat is. This would resolve everything. If we go back 8 to one owner of these 9 acres then nothing needs to be 9 done at all, it will be developed according to County 10 rules. 11 I also spoke to the attorney for the bank, 12 and he said that's a great idea, but he said I'm not the 13 decision maker. The representative for the bank was in 14 the mobile home business, and his job now with 15 Vanderbilt Bank that is owned by Berkshire Hathaway or 16 Warren Buffet Company, is that he should probably fix up 17 the house, because that's the business he's in, and then 18 try and refinance it to a new buyer. If the Court 19 approves a 2-acre plat, we would then automatically be 20 creating an entirely illegal 7-acre plat because we 21 would be left with seven acres that are not platted. We 22 know the meets and bounds, but it's not an approved lot 23 to build on. And as Charlie Hastings said in his letter 24 it needs to be a recorded legal approved plat before a 25 septic can be applied for. 67 1 So at this point, we would be left with 7 2 acres without the ability to put a septic, and without 3 putting a septic we have no opportunity to put a house, 4 or houses, and develop it. 5 Another issue is there is an easement which 6 the bank may or may not dispute, and essentially the 7 easement has -- allows for a driveway to go off Mai Road 8 through the back of the 2 acres to the rest of the 7 9 acres, and even though there is other access from Mai 10 Road to our 7 acres, we would have to build a 500 foot 11 driveway on our 7 acres in a ravine, and so yes, and 12 I -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: A bridge. 14 MR. COPISAROW: Yes. Yes. And it just 15 wouldn't be -- it wouldn't be reasonable. And I'm not 16 saying that the bank is going to say no -- they said 17 feel free to use that driveway now, but technically if 18 it's a separate 2-acre lot, and it's platted that way 19 without any easement recorded on that 2 acres, it will 20 be much, much more of a challenge for us, too. 21 I'm pretty convinced that any replatting or 22 creation that is initiated by this Court is going to 23 open up a whole can of worms, because it will mean that 24 we're put in a position where we cannot build without a 25 lot of harm, and I did explain in the agenda package 68 1 there some of the reasons that we believe we would be 2 harmed if the 2 acres is platted leaving us with 7 acres 3 unplatted. And I think probably the litigation would 4 involve ourselves, and the bank, and probably the 5 previous owner's estate, and I'm really trying avoid 6 having to get into that. Well, ^ is there ^ there's 7 just not a lot of value comparatively for the bank or 8 for us with this property. 9 The Kerr County subdivision rules and 10 regulations, and I can cite it if you would like exactly 11 where it is, but it does say specifically the Court 12 shall adopt an order to permit the revision of the 13 subdivision plat, submit it to you today, if it is shown 14 to the Court that the revision will not interfere with 15 the established rights of any owner of a part of the 16 subdivided land, if it will not interfere with us. So 17 usually this is very easy if one owner says can you 18 split my property, because it's the same individual is 19 going to be affected by both. In this case, there are 20 technically two owners. I'm not sure about legalities 21 of whether I can and my wife can own 7 acres, and the 22 bank can own 2 acres. My hunch is we can both own it, 23 the question is what we can do with our land, if 24 anything. And it's clear to me right now that we do not 25 have permission, we accept that, to do anything with our 69 1 land. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, ^ is there ^ there's 3 another party to your negotiations that may be required, 4 and that's whoever sold you the 7 acres. 5 MR. COPISAROW: That would be the estate. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: That part is going to be 7 pretty indispensable in this. 8 MR. COPISAROW: Yeah. And they have -- the 9 estate has no money. The estate was thinking about 10 buying the property back. It's part of the Harville 11 family that owned apparently a huge amount of land, and 12 it's being whittled down until -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: So you want us to do nothing 14 today. 15 MR. COPISAROW: I want you to do absolutely 16 nothing. I want to show you, if necessary, that this 17 will interfere with us, if you feel that you need that 18 reason. I'm positive it's a civil matter in every 19 possible way. 20 So I'm also saying that, yes, the County -- 21 the Court has the right to subdivide. We have the right 22 to put in additional infrastructure to build another 23 road, it's the harm that's caused by us. And my concern 24 is if this Court unnecessarily unintentionally 25 exacerbates this problem by saying we're going to throw 70 1 our hat in the ring and we're go to in effect complicate 2 it by having one platted, and one unplatted area, with 3 additional costs and challenges for us, it's it's going 4 to be unhealthy. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: I think we understand your 6 position, Mr. Copisarow. I think you can quit now. 7 Okay. 8 MR. COPISAROW: Thank you very much. What 9 does that mean? 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Excuse me, Sir. I do 11 have a couple questions. 12 MR. COPISAROW: Yes. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Just so I'm clear. 14 You purchased the property in 2017, is that correct? 15 MR. COPISAROW: Yes, Sir. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Looking on Mr. 17 Hastings' notes February. 18 MR. COPISAROW: Yes, Sir. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the property looks 20 like the 2 acres was foreclosed in November of 2016. 21 I'm not asking you to verify that, that's just from the 22 records. So you purchased the property after the 2 23 acres had been foreclosed on? 24 MR. COPISAROW: The terms were agreed before 25 the foreclosure, all the terms with the seller; the 71 1 actual closing took place after the bank foreclosed, 2 yes. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And it was the same 4 person you bought the property from the same person that 5 the bank foreclosed the 2 acres from? 6 MR. COPISAROW: Correct. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And you said there was 8 an easement across getting to your property? 9 MR. COPISAROW: Correct. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Is that a recorded 11 easement? 12 MR. COPISAROW: It is not. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It is not a recorded 14 easement. 15 MR. COPISAROW: No. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Just to clarify that 17 in my mind. 18 MR. COPISAROW: I believe somebody called it 19 a jeep trial, it's been there for many years, and it is 20 the only trail that goes through the 7 acres. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But it's nothing in 22 your deed that -- 23 MR. COPISAROW: No. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And that's why it's -- 25 Mr. Hastings, I'm asking you now why it's not reflected 72 1 on any other plat -- 2 MR. HASTINGS: Correct, that's right. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- because there's 4 nothing across the hall or down the hall recorded on it? 5 MR. HASTINGS: That's right. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Thank you. Thank you, 7 Sir. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner Belew, what 9 are your thoughts? 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, it's in my 11 precinct. I think if we do anything on it that we're 12 involving ourself in a civil matter that we shouldn't 13 be, and it also would take on the appearance of us 14 taking sides in something that hasn't been decided yet, 15 so I would move that we take no action. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, how about just table 17 it? 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay, table it. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Table it to see what 20 happens. And if they make an agreement with the bank, 21 or one way or another, then we can dismiss this thing if 22 that solves it. Absent such an agreement then there's 23 still going to have to be something done about this, 24 because that does constitute a subdivision, I believe. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I really feel both of 73 1 those lots, I mean the 7 acres should have been platted 2 or revised prior to it selling. I know it happens all 3 the time, but the 7 acres should have been platted at 4 some point in time. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I talked to the County 6 Surveyor about that, and it's -- I mean it's always 7 recommended, but there's nothing really that forces you 8 to do that, to have it replatted, until something like 9 this. I also inquired what is our title insurance for. 10 Mr. Hastings says it's required by law. 11 COMMISSIONER REEVES: No. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But what does it 13 actually do? Is it not required by law? 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It's not required by 15 law. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: To prevent anything 17 like that. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean if the title -- 19 that's a civil issue. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It's kind of a 21 misnomer, so -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that the 23 question -- your statement about not having to be 24 replatted. If this is in a subdivision and they changed 25 the lot it has to be replatted, but I think, you know, I 74 1 would like to follow what the Judge says, give some time 2 and do nothing for 180 days, and then see kind of where 3 -- we can't leave this out there forever. I think 180 4 days something has to be done. I'd say table it for 180 5 days and bring it back and see where we are. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Could I ask Charlie or 7 Heather, is there a time frame from the initial request 8 for revision of plat until it has to be in I know there 9 is on preliminary plats for a new subdivision, and 180 10 days sounds good to me, but I don't want to extend it 11 past something that would require all -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Starting over. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. 14 MR. HASTINGS: I'd have to research it to 15 know for sure. 16 MRS. STEBBINS: If there is one, we'll let 17 everybody know. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That is going by the 19 alternate plat process, correct? 20 MR. HASTINGS: This is revision of plat 21 process. If you're doing revision where you're 22 combining lots, you can go through the alternate plat, 23 but this wasn't combining; it was dividing. So it's 24 just a revision of plat process. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But it's only come to 75 1 the Court one time. We haven't done a preliminary plat 2 on this, have we? 3 MR. HASTINGS: I believe that we brought 4 this initially to the Court as a concept kind of as a 5 preliminary, because we wanted to make sure -- because 6 of the situation where we had two owners, it has been 7 subdivided, one of them's not wanting to come and do a 8 plat, but the other one is, because the other one wants 9 to move forward and be able to get septic permits and so 10 on. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Like I'm saying there's 12 no preliminary plat. That triggers the one year time 13 period. If there's not a preliminary plat, I don't 14 think there is a time period. The question would be how 15 long the public notice is good for. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We've had a public 17 hearing on this, correct in 18 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, how long is that 20 valid for would be the question, but from a platting 21 standpoint, I don't think there's a time of a revision 22 of a preliminary plat. 23 MR. COPISAROW: I did have one question, if 24 I may. My question is if we resolve it in the next six 25 months, then everybody's happy. If we don't resolve it 76 1 in the next six months for any reason -- I'm hopeful, 2 but if we don't resolve it in the next six months 3 presumably the Court will either have to say yes or no. 4 The Court feels it's appropriate not the make that 5 decision at this time? 6 JUDGE POLLARD: If you don't resolve it 7 we're going to have to address something. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because right now it's 9 an illegal, or basically an illegal subdivision right 10 now, and so nothing could be done with either lot, or 11 either side of the property until it's resolved. 12 MR. COPISAROW: Unless the Court chooses to 13 force the hands of the two owners and say you know what, 14 we're not going to hear this, it's off the table, you 15 guys resolve it. That was the other. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's a bad precedent 17 for us. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: Essentially that's what's 19 going to happen. 20 MR. COPISAROW: Thank you. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: We're not going to let you 22 not resolve it. Somehow there's got to be a resolution. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Uh-oh, we got another 24 lawyer in here. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So we will just not 77 1 take action on this. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Table. 4 MR. HASTINGS: I would like to point out one 5 more thing. We're looking through the revision of plat 6 requirements for notification, and there is a 7 requirement to have it in the newspaper, which it was, 8 but there's some question, and I've gotten with Heather 9 on this this morning, about whether or not Mr. Copisarow 10 should have also received a certified notification of 11 the public hearing, which he did not. And so, we're go 12 to get clarification from the County Attorney whether or 13 not he should have received that, and if he hadn't we'd 14 like to go ahead and send that to him now in the 15 meantime so that he officially knows that the public 16 hearing took place. He's had his chance today to 17 present and talk about it, but just for the record we 18 wanted to make sure. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: He's kind of made an 20 appearance that maybe might have waived that notice. 21 MR. COPISAROW: I'm good. 22 MR. HASTINGS: Is that right? Okay, I just 23 wanted to clear that. Thank you. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we're going to 25 take no action on that. 78 1 All right. Let's go to item 1.9, I believe 2 is next. Consider, discuss and take appropriate action 3 on closure of the Juvenile Detention Facility. This 4 includes, but is not limited to: Use of the probation 5 building located at 3499 Legion Drive, and use of the 6 JDC building located at 3501 Legion Drive. Mr. Davis. 7 MR. DAVIS: Good morning, Your Honor, 8 Commissioners. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Good morning. 10 MR. DAVIS: The old building that I'm 11 referring to is the white brick building at 3499, that 12 is the building that the Probation Department is housed. 13 We have many of the offices in the back, that's where 14 the Sheriff has previously utilized the facilities for 15 his detention facility temporarily. Now that the 16 Sheriff has abandon those premises, I know that there's 17 interest in utilizing those. I do not have the 18 authority to grant that permission, but I am coming and 19 asking on behalf of the elections office, if they'd be 20 able to utilize some of that space. Specifically, right 21 now there is one pod, as we call it, that they have been 22 using for storage, we'd like them to continue that. 23 Also, the area that was the intake facility 24 when you come in off the sally port, this is again the 25 probation building. Nadene and I went and looked at it, 79 1 and we believe that that would probably be better suited 2 for her elections, ballot counting and for operation, 3 and she would like to use that portion of the building 4 as well. I know that -- I don't know whom -- I don't 5 know which entity is doing this, let me say that. I 6 believe it's the Sheriff, I'm not sure, but there -- one 7 of the pods there -- someone is stacking up furniture in 8 those pods. I believe it's coming from the Sheriff's 9 Department, I don't know. I just need some direction on 10 what I'm getting questions about, can I use this, can I 11 use that? What you all would like for me to do. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Don't we have a 13 workshop planned for like next Monday? I think it would 14 be appropriate time to -- I understand what Jason's 15 asking, but I think it would be prudent if we were all 16 able to look at what he's talking about and walk through 17 so we could have it better in our minds what we're 18 doing, and then postpone this until our February 19 meeting. 20 MR. DAVIS: There's absolutely no rush on 21 this as far as I'm concerned. And by that time what I 22 can do is go ahead and at least get you the maps that 23 you can talk it through, and so you can visualize and 24 specifically look at what spaces we're talking about 25 usage. 80 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. 2 COMMISSIONER REEVES: If you don't mind 3 waiting. 4 MR. DAVIS: Oh absolutely. Not at all. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, so we're going to 6 pass that for now? 7 MR. DAVIS: Yes, Sir. One question for the 8 Court. Do I need to put this on an agenda item for that 9 meeting, or just we're going to be rolled in with 10 everything else? 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Probably wouldn't hurt 12 anything to do that. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, Jody heard. Jody 14 heard, so she's on it. 15 MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Jody. 16 MRS. GRINSTEAD: You're welcome. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, thanks. 18 MR. DAVIS: Thank you, Your Honor. 19 JUDGE POLLARD: 1.10 consider, discuss and 20 take appropriate action on closure of the Juvenile 21 Detention Facility. This includes, but is not limited 22 to transfer of items to the Kerr County Juvenile Board. 23 MR. DAVIS: There were four office chairs 24 that were left over that we thought were on our itemized 25 list when we presented that to the Court. We would like 81 1 to transfer those office chairs from the Kerr County JDC 2 to the Kerr County Juvenile Probation building, 3 specifically to the Kerr County Juvenile Board. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: Do they all have rollers on 5 them? 6 MR. DAVIS: None of them do actually. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Hu? 8 MR. DAVIS: None of them have rollers. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: I think our Court Reporter 10 needs one with no rollers. 11 MR. DAVIS: We could probably find one. 12 JUDGE POLLARD: She fell in the courtroom. 13 The roller chair squirted out from under her, she needs 14 one down there. Okay. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But you're requesting 16 to move them from JDC to your office, Mr. Davis? 17 MR. DAVIS: Yes, Commissioner. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 19 transfer the four office chairs from the Kerrville 20 Juvenile Detention Center to the Kerr County Juvenile 21 Board. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 24 Reeves, second by Commissioner Belew pursuant to item 25 1.10 on the agenda, to approve the transfer of the items 82 1 from the Kerr County Juvenile Board -- to the Kerr 2 County Juvenile Board. All right, is that -- 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: From the Kerr County 4 Juvenile Detention facility to the Kerr County Juvenile 5 Board consisting of four office chairs. 6 MR. DAVIS: Yes, Sir. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Any further comments or 8 discussion about the motion? If not, those in favor of 9 that motion signify by raising their right hands. It's 10 four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 11 1.11 consider, discuss and take appropriate 12 action to determine future use of the 2004 GMC Safari 13 van that is located at the Juvenile Detention Facility. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, could you call 15 1.12 as well, because it could have some bearing on what 16 we discuss. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, 1.12 is consider, 18 discuss and take appropriate action to rescind court 19 order 36321 and determine future use of the 2006 Ford 20 Taurus courthouse vehicle. 21 MR. DAVIS: On the 2004, I'll address that 22 issue. That is a van that is Kerr County property, is 23 not being utilized, and I don't want it to be forgotten 24 and fall into disrepair. Right now it is operational, 25 but we being probation staff don't even have the 83 1 authority to go out and start the vehicle or anything 2 like that, which we haven't, but I know that it's an 3 asset the Court probably need to address, or before it 4 falls into bad shape. Right now it is operational and 5 in decent shape. I wouldn't say it's in good shape. It 6 has been used as a detention van for a number of years, 7 over a decade. So the inside's a little rough, but it 8 does start and run, and has about 60 -- I think 59 9 thousand miles on it roughly. I don't know what the 10 Court would like to do about it. I don't want you all 11 to forget about it. We're not requesting -- Juvenile 12 Probation does not need it, but I hate to see it go to 13 waste and rot out there. 14 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And the reason I put 15 item 1.12 on, I believe back in October, if the Court 16 Order is there -- I'm sorry, September 11. If we 17 authorize surplus of the Ford Taurus that's the 18 courthouse vehicle, we have not done that because we're 19 waiting on a replacement for the courthouse vehicle, 20 which was the Tahoe that was brought from Road and 21 Bridge. But recently Victim Services have spoke to 22 Commissioner Letz and I of a need for a vehicle for the 23 occasional transport of victim families, or something to 24 overnight stay, and so I think before we make a decision 25 on either one, we maybe should get either the -- Kelly's 84 1 not here, so I certainly can voluntary her facility, 2 either one of the mechanics at Road and Bridge to go 3 through both vehicles and give us an opinion of which 4 one mechanically we should keep, but Victim Services is 5 going to be needing a vehicle, so I would like to have 6 them both looked at and decide which one we keep and 7 which one we surplus. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So no action. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: Maybe get rid of both of 10 them. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the -- could we 12 not go ahead and surplus the van, or just transfer it to 13 another -- I mean -- or just leave it out there for the 14 time being, I mean another month isn't going to make any 15 difference. 16 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Other than Mr. Davis 17 or nobody on his staff can start it or anything, and 18 maybe we oughta authorize transfer to -- 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Road and Bridge. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: To Road and Bridge. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: But it is a County 22 vehicle, correct? 23 MR. DAVIS: Yes, Commissioner. And we're 24 under the same insurance, but I just -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is it restricted who 85 1 can -- 2 MR. DAVIS: It's not restricted, but because 3 we are no longer -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Couldn't Road and 5 Bridge just go out and get it? 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I believe they can. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They can. They can just 8 go check it, or maintenance can. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, who has keys? 10 MR. DAVIS: We do, and we'd be happy to drop 11 it off at Road and Bridge. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Let me go break the 13 news to Kelly first. 14 MR. DAVIS: Thank you for that. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll do nothing 16 on those items now until we get further information, is 17 that correct? 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes. I just wanted to 19 bring it to the attention of the Court that even though 20 we have the Tahoe here for use, we're going to be in 21 need of another vehicle. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Would the van be best 23 in that case? You're talking about more than -- 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: It very possibly 25 could, Commissioner, but I'd much rather let the 86 1 mechanics look at it and make sure it's suitable. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We do know, or have 3 talked to Amanda, that a vehicle with a County logo on 4 it or something like a county vehicle is not a good 5 idea. It needs to be somewhat of an inconspicuous 6 vehicle. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's go to item 8 1.15 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to 9 authorize the Environmental Health/Animal Services 10 Director to reduce the annual registration fee to one 11 dollar during the annual rabies vaccination clinics 12 being held February 3rd through February 17th, 2018. 13 Current feels are five dollars for (neutered/spayed) and 14 ten dollars for non-neutered and spayed. Reagan Givens. 15 MR. GIVENS: Yes, Sir. So as you said and 16 all that this is something that we do on a yearly basis, 17 I'm not sure exactly how many years we've done it. This 18 is the same thing we did last year as far as price wise. 19 When we lower the registration fee to one dollar during 20 that event from February 3rd to February 17th, 2018, 21 that brings the price -- that drops it four dollars from 22 the neutered and spayed, and nine dollars from the 23 non-neutered and spayed, while the local vets lowered 24 their rabies vaccination costs to 9 dollars during that 25 time, and we're just -- I'm just asking that I be able 87 1 to do that and continue like we have in the past. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that 3 we authorize Environment Health/Animal Services Director 4 to reduce the annual registration fee to one dollar 5 during the annual rabies vaccination clinics from 6 February 3rd through the 17th, 2018. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'll second. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 9 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to approve the 10 Animal Service Director to reduce the registration fee 11 to one dollar during the annual rabies vaccination 12 clinics being held February 3rd to February 17th, 2018. 13 Any further discussion or comment? If not, those in 14 favor of the motion signify by raising their right hand. 15 It's four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 16 Item 1.16 consider, discuss and take 17 appropriate action on policy for onsite sewage 18 facilities connections and related matters to East Kerr 19 County/Center Point Wastewater Project. Commissioners 20 Letz and Moser. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Charlie, did you -- I 22 didn't see that you e-mailed that newest draft out. I 23 didn't get it. 24 MR. HASTINGS: I sent it out Friday. I've 25 got a hard copy here. 88 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I didn't get it 2 either. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we -- 4 MR. HASTINGS: Do you want me to go make 5 copies of it? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, if we could get 7 copies. Charlie and I met Friday afternoon and went 8 over it, the draft we worked off of last time, and I 9 think we have it correct, but the new draft hasn't been 10 distributed yet. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Basically the same -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's the same format, 13 but we tried to clear up the areas that were a little 14 bit confusing on the residential side. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Judge, 1.17 looks like 16 it could be real quick, if we want to get that one over 17 while Charlie's making copies. 18 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, 1.17 consider, 19 discuss and take appropriate action regarding South 20 Texas Blood and Tissue doing a blood drive on March 8th, 21 2018 at the county courthouse parking lot from 11:15 22 a.m. to 5:15 p.m. Dawn Lantz. 23 MRS. LANTZ: Good morning, Judge. This is 24 something we bring before the Court every year. They 25 would like to use the courthouse grounds parking lot to 89 1 do their blood drive, and I'm just requesting 2 permission. 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move for approval of 4 the agenda item as written. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, it's been moved by 7 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 8 approve the South Texas Blood and Tissue having a blood 9 drive on March 8, 2018 on the courthouse parking lot 10 from 11:15 a.m. to 5:15 p.m. Any further discussion or 11 comment? If not, those in favor of the motion signify 12 by raising their right hand. It's four zero, unanimous. 13 One abstention, myself. 14 Let's go back. And we got copies on 1.16 15 now to look at. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is the policy -- I 17 think it's the third time we've looked at the mandatory 18 hookup policy for the East Kerr County/Center Point 19 Wastewater Collection Project. Take a few minutes to 20 read through it. Essentially what we're trying to say 21 here, and I think we finally have, is that all 22 residential property owners that are eligible along the 23 line, or actually eligible. They're along the line they 24 hook up at no cost. Everyone less than one acre, one 25 acre or less, is required under our previous court order 90 1 to hook up. All other residential properties if they're 2 one acre or more are also hooked up at no cost, should 3 those people choose. Also, for commercial properties 4 they'll be no -- the first 46 hundred dollars would be 5 paid for out of the grant, and anything above that will 6 be the responsibility of commercial property owners. 7 And there's some language that once individuals or 8 businesses receive notice they have 90 days to respond 9 in writing whether they accept the subsidized amount, 10 and if not they will have to work with the Kendall 11 County WCID for connection, and there will be no 12 subsidy. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is there any change in 14 this since the last time we saw it? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's a lot of things 16 in the verbiage, but no change in the intent. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Let's see, Jonathan, in 18 the verbiage before we had the properties greater than 19 one acre shall be eligible for wastewater hookup for 20 mediation at no cost up to 46 hundred dollars. Is that 21 in here? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. They're hooked up 23 at no cost now, all residential are at no cost 24 regardless of the size. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: The commercial after 46 91 1 hundred. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, but up to 46 -- 4 we cover up to 4600. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For commercial. For 6 residential, we cover the whole amount. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Even if it's ten thousand? 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What if it's a hundred 9 acres -- sitting in the middle of a hundred acres in 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Charlie. 11 MR. HASTINGS: Well, that's right. Because 12 if they qualify for any one of those programs -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, no, no. This is if 14 they don't qualify. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, they qualify under 16 the DWSRF Fund. 17 MR. HASTINGS: Yeah. They'll qualify for 18 one of them. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think you're 20 right, we need to limit it, otherwise -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We gotta limit it. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- we could spend -- we 23 may have a mile trench we have to dig. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, right, 25 precisely. 92 1 MR. HASTINGS: Well, the plans are set, the 2 engineer put them together. We've already got all the 3 -- we know what those distances are, and that's why it's 4 in the plans that it's up to two hundred feet. I 5 don't -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, forget the two 7 hundred feet for just a second. 8 MR. HASTINGS: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We had in there if it's 10 larger than an acre we want to subsidize, we want 11 everybody to hook up if they would. But we were going 12 to limit it to 46 hundred dollars, so that still needs 13 to be in there. 14 MR. HASTINGS: Well, I think our concern 15 was, there's people that have 1.1 acres -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. Let's make it a 17 hundred acres. Let's quit -- just make it the extreme. 18 MR. HASTINGS: Do we want something in there 19 that says if it's over a certain acreage then in 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think it's -- I 21 think it's a cost -- 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It's a number. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we have to get 24 back to the cost, the 46 hundred. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Anybody greater 93 1 that a hundred acres is not required to hook up that 2 doesn't qualify. We'd still like them to hook up, and 3 we're going to give them -- we're going to pay up to 46 4 hundred dollars for their connection. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: For example, I see Mr. 6 Mosty in the audience. And he has, I know, a pavilion 7 down by the river, and if he wants us to hook it up, 8 we're not going to hook it up, we'll pay the 46 hundred 9 dollars towards the hookup. I don't know if you have a 10 facility down there. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, isn't that stated 12 here? 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, it's not in here. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Why not? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Because it's been left 16 out. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It says up to 46 18 hundred dollars is covered. All right, if I have -- 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's commercial. 20 Commercial. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. Only commercial. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So what it's saying 23 is -- basically what it says is we'll cover commercial, 24 and we'll cover anybody over one acre if they don't 25 qualify up to 46 hundred dollars. That's basically what 94 1 it says. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So should that say 3 "all" instead of "commercial" or -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. It should be item 5 number seven which we had before, which I'll read. 6 Property greater than one acre shall be eligible to a 7 wastewater hookup and remediation at no cost up to 46 8 hundred dollars, and any cost over that amount will be 9 the responsibility of the property owner. The 10 eligibility shall be available subject to section four 11 above, which is just -- they have to let us know within 12 90 days, basically. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And that was what was 14 on the last one. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That was on the last 16 one. Charlie and I took it out, because we were 17 thinking, you know, we were -- got hung up on it. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It was Friday 19 afternoon. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Friday afternoon. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So I would go along 22 with everything you have here if we'd addendum what I 23 just read back into that, okay? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that a motion? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a motion. 95 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Then second. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. It's been moved by 3 Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Letz to 4 addendum the paragraph 7 that Commissioner Moser read 5 into the record to the exhibit provided to us in item 6 1.16 of the agenda, and that as with that paragraph 7 added that the entire seven paragraphs be approved, 8 pursuant to item 1.16 which is related to all 9 connections of related matter of East Kerr County and 10 Center Point Wastewater Project. Any further 11 discussion? Yes, Ma'am. 12 MS. HULETT: Does that apply to just one 13 connection per lot in 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 15 MS. HULETT: That's all it applies to? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think that's all -- 17 the WCID will only allow one per lot. 18 THE REPORTER: What's your name, please? 19 MS. HULETT: Tish Hulett. 20 THE REPORTER: How do you spell your last 21 name? 22 MS. HULETT: H-U-L-E-T-T. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay. Is that a fair 24 statement of the motion? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes, it is. 96 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. If there's no 2 further discussion, those in favor of the motion signify 3 by raising your right hand. Four zero, unanimous. One 4 abstention, myself. 5 Item 1.18 consider, discuss and take 6 appropriate action to approve requesting proposals and 7 bid from qualified providers to provide comprehensive 8 health care services for inmates incarcerated in the 9 Kerr County Adult Detention Center. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We currently have a 11 contract with a health care company that has been 12 providing health care for a number of years. Through 13 some amendments, I just feel it's time that we look and 14 see if there are other providers, and if we can get a 15 better deal on providing health care to the inmates. 16 The proposed contractor fees and bid, whatever, has been 17 reviewed by the County Attorney, and I've added a change 18 of dates, in which I think would be correct in it, but I 19 will double check with the clerk's office before we 20 advertise it and just to make sure that the dates are 21 satisfactory under the current law. 22 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I see, Sheriff, 23 the plan is to implement it at the beginning of the next 24 fiscal year. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's correct. So 97 1 that we'll have it for budget purposes and everything 2 for the next -- 3 COMMISSIONER REEVES: We'll award it during 4 budget workshops, looking at the date on there. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Correct. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So we know what it's 7 going to cost with the next fiscal year. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Correct. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 10 authorize the Sheriff and any other parties needed to 11 send out the request for proposal for comprehensive 12 inmate medical, mental and ancillary health care 13 programs and services for the Kerr County Adult 14 Detention Center. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 17 Reeves, and seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve 18 the Sheriff's office and other individuals to request 19 proposals for qualified providers to provide 20 comprehensive health care services for inmates 21 incarcerated in the Kerrville Adult Detention Center. 22 Any further discussion or comment? If not those in 23 favor of the motion signify by raising their right 24 hands. Four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 25 Item 1.19 consider, discuss and take 98 1 appropriate action to approve an Interlocal Agreement as 2 to form for housing of out-of-county inmates in Kerr 3 County Adult Detention Center. Sheriff Hierholzer. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: This is the form that 5 we would use if other counties wish to house some of 6 their overflow inmates into our newly renovated 7 facility. I know Kendall County's wanting to 8 immediately. But I needed at least a form that was 9 approved -- the County Attorney has reviewed it. There 10 was one correction in regards to a PREA Act that I did 11 make in it that she wanted made. And other than that 12 this would charge any County wishing to house here fifty 13 dollars a day for their inmates plus all medical costs 14 and things like that of their inmate, and gives us the 15 same control to ask them to move those inmates out if 16 we're having issues with them or for whatever reason. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, is there a motion? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And the guidance I need 19 from the Court is we've had several counties, and we're 20 limited to the number we can house by one, my staffing 21 ratio, and two, just the number of beds that we can do 22 to keep us from getting over crowded. But if we get a 23 county that's wishing to enact this at this point does 24 this Court also want me to come back after approving 25 this to form, because it'll be the same form, to come 99 1 back and get final approval for that specific county to 2 use our bed space, or do you want to authorize the 3 County Judge to sign that particular one when it comes 4 in? 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think that question 6 is for the County Attorney. 7 MRS. STEBBINS: With the Juvenile Detention 8 Center we did the same at the outset. I believe that 9 the contract was approved -- Jason, correct me if I'm 10 wrong. The contract was approved that was the form 11 contract and then at each time that there was a contract 12 with another County it was brought back before the 13 Court, and I believe that Jason would do that in sort of 14 a lump each year, or if one was added he'd come back to 15 the Court. Is that correct, Jason? 16 MR. DAVIS: Yes, that's correct. 17 MRS. STEBBINS: I think that is a good 18 precedent. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Sheriff may be asking 20 if -- use Bandera County because that's the first one 21 that pops in my head. They call you today and they say 22 they're overcrowded and we need to get prisoners here, 23 in this case it would be three weeks before we could 24 accept them if the next court meeting is not until the 25 12th. 100 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's exactly what I'm 2 asking, because the last page in this contract -- or 3 Interlocal Agreement we will refer to, does require and 4 will always require each County Judge's signature, okay. 5 So if the Bandera County Judge signs it, am I going to 6 have to wait that next three weeks or whatever to get 7 our Judge to sign it to get it approved? I don't know 8 how each county's going to do it, but on our end, I 9 don't want to delay that if they are in a situation 10 that's normally overcrowded it's a situation that has to 11 be remedied right away. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't have a problem 13 to authorizing the County Judge to authorize the 14 contract, but I want it on the next agenda that it was 15 done, so that we're aware -- so we know what's going on. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But we may -- and I can 17 understand that. So we may actually like say it's 18 approved and say day after tomorrow a county calls we 19 can go ahead and enter into that contract along that 20 everything's done and then on the following 21 Commissioners' Court you want me to at least advise the 22 Court that that's being done. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we'll ratify the 24 contract. 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Can we put wording in 101 1 the contract this is subject to ratification, because we 2 know when the next meeting is by Kerr County 3 Commissioners' Court on -- 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That means every 5 contract's got to be done independently. I've got just 6 a blanket that we want to send. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Well, you just fill in 8 the blank of when the date. You got blanks in here 9 otherwise. What is in the best interest in -- 10 MRS. STEBBINS: I think that using the same 11 form. I don't believe that this will always be a 12 problem. It might be something that Rusty does -- other 13 counties go ahead and set it up to other counties who 14 might be interested in housing their prisoners here so 15 that he has an ongoing one so they can manage their 16 facilities. They can send people here when they need 17 to. So it might be something that comes up that you 18 authorize this as our form contract to send out to other 19 counties, and -- 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'd rather not have the 21 ratifying; just authorize the County Judge to sign them. 22 They just have to be ratified after the fact. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And one thing I just 24 got to be thinking about. Back in the 2000's when this 25 jail had space there were actual contracts with a lot of 102 1 other counties around. During this same approval can 2 there be language in this -- I didn't word the agenda 3 this way. This is to approve this as to form that this 4 would supercede any other, you know, contract from way 5 back to some of those had changed and dollar values have 6 changed. I just think it -- 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, I think -- I 8 think, yeah. There should be a provision in this one 9 that cancels all previous ones. 10 MRS. STEBBINS: Or maybe use -- 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Or just in this Court 12 Order. 13 MRS. STEBBINS: Maybe using the contract to 14 those places who you had contracts with, because those 15 are all year-to-year contracts, right? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You know back then I'm 17 not even sure they were year to year, okay? Back then 18 I think that the Sheriff at that time -- 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I move to approve this 20 contract to supercede any previous contracts -- 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's what I would 22 think. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- that Kerr County 24 Adult Detention Center may have had with any other 25 county. 103 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Or that this is the 2 only form that we will use. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I have a question, 4 Rusty. What's the most dramatic urgent plan in line for 5 something like this? 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we can get a 7 call -- in fact I've already got some waiting, okay. 8 But we can get a call tomorrow that somebody in another 9 county needs to bring an inmate over here. The biggest 10 issue you have to be honest, and Richard's still sitting 11 in here he can remember the day. But you take a County 12 like Kimble County, Junction. Their county jail is not 13 made to house females at all. And if they end up with a 14 female in custody and a male in custody at the same time 15 they could have an issue, you know, within an hour of 16 that arrest of finding a place to house that female. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So that's why we need 18 to have something that's pretty much a blanket. Okay. 19 MRS. STEBBINS: And it can be ratified 20 later, and we have court on Thursdays if it's something 21 that, you know, is three weeks down the road it can be 22 ratified on that Thursday if there's time to put it on 23 the agenda. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean that your plan 25 would be from a lot of these counties, Rusty, to get 104 1 these contracts in place so that there's no time period 2 period. 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. Once they're in 4 place, they're in place. There's no problem. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: The agenda item is to 6 whether or not to approve it as to form. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: I question as to whether or 9 not we have authority to do anything other than that. 10 Either do it or not do it. 11 MRS. STEBBINS: So you can do that. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Approve it as to form 13 and that this is the only form we use. 14 MRS. STEBBINS: Correct. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a motion that 16 we approve the contract as presented as to form for the 17 contract for housing out-of-county inmates in the Kerr 18 County Adult Detention Center. 19 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 21 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves pursuant to item 22 1.19 of the agenda to approve the Interlocal Agreement 23 as to form for the housing of out-of-county inmates in 24 the Kerr County Adult Detention Center. Is there any 25 further comment or discussion? 105 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Just as a sidenote, I 2 will tell you that Kendall County is already requesting 3 this in wanting to house 20 to 30 inmates over here. I 4 have to look at our staffing ability. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Those in favor of the motion 6 signify by raising their right hands. It's four zero, 7 unanimous. One abstention, myself. 8 1.20 -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You got an 11 o'clock 10 timed item. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: We got an 11 o'clock timed 12 item, that's right. 13 All right, item 1.26 consider, discuss and 14 take appropriate action to file amicus brief related to 15 Teal Trading and Development, L.P. versus Champee 16 Springs Ranches Property Owners Association. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, may I excuse 18 myself from the courtroom for this discussion, as I have 19 done for the last ten years? 20 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. 21 (Commissioner Letz not present.) 22 JUDGE POLLARD: There were certain copies 23 included in your agenda package to kind of let you know 24 generally what this is about. Mr. Mosty is here in the 25 audience to answer any questions specifically about the 106 1 litigation, but essentially there's a questions made in 2 a district court decision about saying that our plats 3 properly executed and filed are not necessarily 4 enforced. I personally feel like since this -- the plat 5 we're talking about is a Kerr County plat, but not only 6 does it affect Kerr County, this would affect all 7 counties in the State of Texas. Heretofore we've been 8 able to rely upon our plats that were properly executed 9 and filed, and if this judgment is allowed to stand 10 that's going to be put in issue. 11 And the other issue and the overriding issue 12 in the primary lawsuit as you saw was a spite strip of 13 one foot between subdivisions, and whether or not 14 there's been some law in the past that these were not 15 recognized, not enforced. This would effectively 16 enforce it, this decision, so I'll open it up for 17 questions. 18 COMMISSIONER REEVES: In the backup it looks 19 like they're is a representation agreement with Texas 20 Public Policy Foundation, going to let them represent 21 us, filing -- in the drafting and filing of this amicus 22 brief? 23 JUDGE POLLARD: That's correct. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And do you -- 25 JUDGE POLLARD: At no cost to the County. 107 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I'm going to ask 2 the County Attorney, and you as the Judge of the County 3 what's your opinion on executing this. I'd like to hear 4 both of your opinions. 5 MRS. STEBBINS: I've reviewed the contract 6 as to form, and I have no suggested changes to the 7 contract. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Do you think Judge 9 this -- 10 JUDGE POLLARD: I think it would be 11 appropriate. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- would be in the 13 best interest of the County that we proceed with this? 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Absolutely. 15 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm going to yield to 16 y'all's legal minds then. 17 JUDGE POLLARD: Absolutely. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Judge, you said that 19 this would -- you seem to indicate this would set a 20 precedent for the entire state? 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Yeah. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Can you explain that to 23 us. 24 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, it's just a lot of law 25 is created by decisions of courts, and this would be a 108 1 decision the courts that then could affect all counties 2 on that issue about the spite -- 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Would this abolish the 4 spite strip or what? 5 JUDGE POLLARD: It might abolish the 6 enforcement of it. If we're able to successfully 7 overturn that on this decision, yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So it could have -- 9 JUDGE POLLARD: To make it conform with all 10 the other law. Am I correct about that, Richard? 11 MR. MOSTY: My inclination is that spite 12 strips would still be on a county-by-county basis of 13 Commissioners' Court, but -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: At the election of the 15 County, but not enforced on. 16 MR. MOSTY: At the discretion of the county 17 to allow or prevent spite strips. I think -- I don't 18 think the Supreme Court would talk on that subject, but 19 they would talk specifically upon the language in Kerr 20 County, and Kendall County as well. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is there not a state 22 law that speaks to this that would supercede what we do 23 here? 24 MR. MOSTY: There is nothing that speaks 25 directly to this. There are some cases where they talk 109 1 about spite strips, and I don't think the language is 2 correct because those cases deal with somewhere somebody 3 owns fee simple ownership. Another party owns fee 4 simple ownership although it might be narrow, and it 5 prevented development in the City of Laredo. And they 6 call that a spite strip, but I don't -- it's not 7 factually the same as what we have here. This is -- 8 this is -- purports to be an easement around the 9 boundary of the property. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And if we approve this 11 then that let's us enforce this, or we allege that we 12 want to be able to -- 13 JUDGE POLLARD: No. All this approves is 14 just a contract for those people to include us in the 15 appeal of our position. In the appeal. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, okay. Got it. 17 MR. MOSTY: There are other entities that 18 are also interested that are going to file their own 19 amicus filings because of the concern about the validity 20 or the sanctity of a public record, is really the 21 issues. So -- 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I might be really 23 off base on this, Richard, doesn't public domain figure 24 into this anyway at all for travel and so on and -- 25 MR. MOSTY: Prior to your tenure we had that 110 1 discussion about Kerr County perhaps condemning through 2 eminent domain this strip, and there were some actually 3 Kerr County hired the bigger staff law firm out of 4 Austin, and there's an opinion back somewhere, and there 5 was concern about the liability aspects of an eminent 6 domain proceeding so the county didn't take any action. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Just came to mind so 8 had to ask. 9 MR. MOSTY: Well, this is well -- and I 10 can't hardly disagree. The County let us fight the 11 battle. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What I understand we 14 need to be able to throw our hat in the ring and be 15 heard, is what we're needing? 16 MR. MOSTY: That's right. The Texas Public 17 Policy Foundation, and Rob Henneke is -- will coordinate 18 with Heather and Judge Pollard on how to at least 19 present the county's perspective on this, along with 20 their own perspective. And then they'll be others like 21 national home builders, and some will respond from their 22 own perspectives. 23 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And you will be 24 working with the foundation? 25 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. The Judge and I 111 1 will both be in contact with the foundation, and because 2 of their attorneys' intimate knowledge of the facts 3 surrounding this case, and Kerr County interests. And 4 he's made this offer. 5 MR. MOSTY: And Mr. Henneke was the County 6 Attorney when we were talking about that prior, and so 7 he had a commitment or else he would have been here 8 today as well, but he could not make it. 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 10 accept and approve the representation agreement from the 11 Texas Public Policy Foundation and authorize the County 12 Judge to sign the same. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I second that. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: It's been moved by 15 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Moser 16 pursuant to item 1.26 of the agenda to approve the 17 agreement with the Texas Public Policy Foundation, I 18 think is the name of it? 19 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: To present our view also in 21 the briefs before the Appellate Court. All right, is 22 there any further discussion or comment about this 23 matter? If not, those in favor of the motion signify 24 by raising your right hand. Right hand, Mr. Moser. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right hand. The other 112 1 right hand. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Three zero, and it passes 3 with one abstention, myself and -- well, with two 4 abstentions with Commissioner Letz abstaining, too. And 5 myself, all right. That's it, thank you. 6 (Commissioner Letz is present.) 7 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, let's go back to 8 item -- thank you, Richard. 9 1.20 consider, discuss and take appropriate 10 action to file annual Racial Profiling Reports from 11 Constable Precinct 1, Constable Precinct 3, Constable 12 Precinct 4, and the 198th District Attorney's office. 13 Those reports are included in your agenda package, 14 they're required by law, and essentially state in the 15 appropriate ones that they're exempt from filing 16 anything further other than claiming an exemption. And 17 then the 198th also has filed their report, too. They 18 speak for themselves. It addresses the issue of racial 19 profiling, and what protections have been put in place 20 in order to prevent the exercise of racial profiling. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I make a motion to 22 accept the annual Racial Profiling Reports from 23 Constable Precinct 1, Constable Precinct 3, Constable 24 Precinct 4, and the 198th District Attorney. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 113 1 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, been moved by 2 Commissioner Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Belew, to 3 accept the annual Racial Profiling Reports from 4 Constable Precinct 1, Precinct 3, Precinct 4, and 198th 5 District Attorney pursuant to item 1.20 of the agenda. 6 Any further discussion? If not, those in favor signify 7 by raising their right hand. It's four zero, unanimous. 8 One abstention, myself. 9 1.21 consider, discuss and take appropriate 10 action to approve contract with Kerr County Soil and 11 Water Conservation District, and authorize the County 12 Judge to sign same. The contract, the County Attorney's 13 approved it? 14 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 15 JUDGE POLLARD: And it's in the agenda 16 package, and it addresses the issue of education of the 17 citizens of Kerr County about soil and water 18 conservation practices. I think this is a contract we 19 execute periodically. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Every year. I move for 21 approval -- 22 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, Sir. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- of the contract of 24 the Kerr County Soil and Water Conservation District, 25 and authorize the County Judge to sign same. 114 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Moved by Commissioner Letz, 3 seconded by Commissioner Belew to approve the contract 4 with Kerr County Soil and Water Conservation District 5 and authorize the County Judge to sign same. Is there 6 any further discussion or comment? There being none 7 those in favor signify by raising your right hands. 8 It's four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 9 All right, 1.22 consider, discuss and take 10 appropriate action on requesting workshop with Kerrville 11 City Council related to economic development and other 12 joint ventures. Commissioner Letz. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. I visited with the 14 the City Manager and the Mayor on this, and we haven't 15 -- I think in 2008 had a joint meeting with them for 16 whatever reason. And I always thought they were very 17 productive meetings to meet with the City Council in 18 more of a workshop setting, usually no decisions are 19 made. I visited with them, they seem agreeable, but I 20 wanted to bring it to the Court. 21 And also one of the issues economic 22 development, last summer the City had brought up quite a 23 few issues that they had with -- or concerns with 24 economic development. We brought up some during the 25 budget process. That would be one item on the agenda, 115 1 but other items. You know, just to kind of put it out 2 there. This isn't to set a date necessarily, or we 3 could set a date, or a week or a month, something like 4 that. It would take some coordination, I'm sure, with 5 City Council. I just wanted to put it out there and 6 make sure. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: An agenda to be 8 determined in 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think it would be a 11 very good thing to do. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Me too. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'll try to set 14 something up. Jody, if you can maybe contact the City 15 Manager in reference that we would like to do it 16 sometime in the month of February. I mean -- 17 JUDGE POLLARD: I'd like to say that this 18 also further exhibits how the City and the County are 19 getting along now and cooperating with each other. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the other item 21 that I mentioned to the City Manager, there's no 22 problems with it, but it's been I'm thinking five years 23 with the EMS fire contract. Just to kind of bring that 24 up and kind of where we are on that, and how much longer 25 we have on that. I believe it was a ten-year contract 116 1 when we did it. Okay. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Well, no further action 3 required -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, no. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: -- just contact them and ask 6 for it. 7 All right, 1.23 consider discuss and take 8 appropriate action to appoint Commissioner Moser to the 9 Library Advisory Board. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move -- 11 JUDGE POLLARD: Commissioner Moser. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All in favor -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Okay, it's been moved by 15 Commissioner Letz, and seconded by Commissioner Belew, I 16 heard a train go by, to appoint Commissioner Moser to 17 the Library Advisory Board. Is there any further 18 comment or discussion? If not, those in favor signify 19 by raising their right hand. It's four zero, unanimous. 20 Let the record reflect that there was only 21 one abstention, myself, but that Mr. Moser also voted 22 for that, himself. 23 Okay, item 1.24 consider, discuss and take 24 appropriate action for the Court's approval of hiring a 25 Public Information Officer for Kerr County. 117 1 Commissioner Belew. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We had an incident 3 recently that required a focused consistent response. 4 We were kind of caught flat footed, especially when you 5 have -- we had two liaisons that have to kind of put 6 their heads together and decide what the response is 7 going to be. There are things that happened in the 8 county that we should tell taxpayers about, whether it's 9 something like that that there's this urgent concern 10 over, or whether it's just general information. And to 11 have one person that's in charge of that messaging for 12 the county would help. I think you guys would probably 13 agree that if you'd had one person with the Nelson, the 14 dog thing, as the example, then it would have made life 15 a lot easier on everybody. And we need that anyway, and 16 probably should have had one a long time ago, somebody 17 that gets the word out about what's going on with the 18 county when they're -- 19 JUDGE POLLARD: Let's talk about the 20 incident with Nelson. What happened is that the two 21 liaisons had to get together and -- 22 MRS. STEBBINS: Let's -- let's talk -- I'm 23 sorry to interrupt you, Judge, but that is not on the 24 agenda and this item is just for public information -- 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I used that only as an 118 1 example. 2 MRS. STEBBINS: Just as an example, so let's 3 limit the conversation here, and the example is fine. I 4 just don't want to talk about Nelson. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: Made reference to the 6 procedure. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: The procedure is what 8 I'm talking about. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: And even if there's a Public 10 Information Officer the two liaisons are still going to 11 have to meet. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Absolutely. 13 JUDGE POLLARD: The Public Information 14 Officer isn't going to make decisions. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: If I'm the Public 16 Information Officer and I get a call, and I get a call, 17 and we sit down and we talk, and now you can put it all 18 out in a nice press release that everybody gets, the 19 newspapers get it, the television stations get it, any 20 concerned citizens get it. It can be posted on the 21 internet so that people can go to the website can get 22 it. This would simplify any messaging, okay. It 23 doesn't matter if it's about something that's going on 24 at the AG barn or if it's something -- 25 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Let's back up to last 119 1 Monday night when we had to say the courthouse was 2 closed. The Public Information Officer would have 3 been -- 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Would have been a 5 perfect example. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: -- a perfect example, 7 rather than we, being liaisons, trying to get a hold of 8 our respective departments so we can take care of -- 9 that one would be a perfect example of getting the word 10 out that the courthouse is closed. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And it's something 12 that's immediate and you need somebody that just runs 13 with it, and so -- 14 JUDGE POLLARD: Doesn't Jody pretty much do 15 that anyway? 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Jody doesn't need 17 anything else to do. 18 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Thank you. Thank you. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, is there by 20 identifying somebody like that, is that a funnel through 21 which all information needs to flow to the public from 22 this Court? I would not think that that's a good idea. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, each one of us -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can you put a restraint 25 or -- 120 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You wouldn't have any 2 restraint on you if somebody calls you and asks you a 3 question. You just answer. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I understand. But if 5 the Court wants to -- basically what you're proposing is 6 that all -- you'd have to define what you would propose 7 that a Public Information Officer would be the only 8 one -- 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm just saying we need 10 one. 11 MRS. STEBBINS: Dawn's got a great job 12 description of another county that uses a public 13 information officer. That could be a good jumping off 14 place. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean my thought would 16 be if we're concerned about -- it's not going to tell me 17 what to say. I don't think that's the intent. The 18 intent is if there's certain information that we need to 19 get out to the public, and that, you know, general 20 agreement on or -- if you know, if I have something I 21 wanted to get out and I went to the officer and asked 22 him to help get it out, but it wouldn't keep me from 23 talking to somebody anymore. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That was my concern. 25 MRS. STEBBINS: There are also public 121 1 information requests that are made through every elected 2 official and department in the county. Oftentimes those 3 go through Brenda Doss's office, and then they usually 4 come to my office at some point, and so everybody's 5 touching these things, and this will be a central place 6 for that to happen. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, but not required 8 that that go through that funnel. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I know what your 10 concern is. There's not going -- we're not going to 11 have a muzzle on it that we have an official position 12 and if we deviate at all from the official position that 13 was issued by the county that we're going to get our 14 hands tied. You're going to talk to your constituents 15 in your precinct. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, let me give you 17 my example. When I was in Washington D.C. in the big 18 NASA organization, we were not restricted in any way. 19 We could talk to the press, okay, but we were liable 20 with our job in what we said to the press, okay. But we 21 didn't -- and we had some public information, but we 22 didn't have to go through. We chose to say hey, you 23 know we think this is a stupid idea to build a new 24 rocket that they propose. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: If there was a new 122 1 space shuttle about to be launched, you have a public 2 information officer to -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: To help facilitate 4 that. But if somebody wanted to do it on their own, 5 they could. They were just at risk. 6 COMMISSIONER REEVES: What I would suggest, 7 I think it's an excellent idea, Commissioner, and I 8 agree none of us want to be hampered from being able to 9 communicate with our constituents or anything like that. 10 I think it's an excellent idea. The job description is 11 just coming around. I think we all should be able to 12 read that and more in depth than while we're setting 13 here. And the biggest issue where do we find the funds 14 to pay for it. So my opinion is we -- maybe you could 15 get with the County Auditor and figure out where we 16 might could get, what procedures we need to go to hiring 17 one, and then come back say at the February -- first 18 February meeting and we approve the job description 19 provided we find funds, approve the posting of the job 20 just like we do with any job, and then you start the 21 interview process there. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Here's another thought. 23 And this is certainly not a full time job. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: No, it might not be. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So in the past -- and 123 1 her name went right out of my mind. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rosa. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Rosa used to do this. 4 And she was given a stipend for doing this. So maybe 5 something like that. A stipend for somebody other than 6 the Sheriff, who's standing up now, to be able to -- to 7 be able to do that. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't want it. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: He doesn't have a 10 public information officer now, do you? 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, but let me 12 finish. So therefore this is a small, small job. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: For now I think it is. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Yeah. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: May I speak? 16 JUDGE POLLARD: Yes, go ahead. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't think this is a 18 small job. I think this is a job that the county should 19 have had for years and years, and that we've always 20 needed one. There's a few people in this room that have 21 gone through the Citizens Academy that we put on, and it 22 is astonishing the number of citizens that we have that 23 have no earthly idea what county government does. 24 There's a lot of them out there that think the City has 25 their own jail, the County has their own jail. I mean 124 1 just basic things. And it's not just a County 2 Information Officer, it's an Educational Officer that 3 needs to educate the public as to what county government 4 does. And I think that's extremely important and it's 5 something this County has failed on for years and years. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I agree with that. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Now, a lot of the 8 public information requests has to go through individual 9 departments because of different things. But it can all 10 be centrally started with that Officer. But there -- I 11 don't think the Court has ever really realized how 12 serious of an issue it is not getting out accurate 13 timely public information and public education. Rosa 14 Lavender did a few articles here and there, but that's 15 all that was. But we are way behind times on adding an 16 educated public on what county government actually does. 17 People don't have any idea that your appraisal or 18 property taxes are the main source of income for the 19 County, compared to fees and everything else or all the 20 other ones. It's just my opinion. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean I think we need 22 it. I think that the stipend approach didn't work real 23 well. But also I think it's probably a part time 24 position. And the other part the person that needs to 25 get involved with this early on is Mr. Trolinger, 125 1 because I think this person needs to pretty much take 2 over the website type site. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Social media stuff. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Social media stuff so 5 that we can respond quickly. And I think -- but I think 6 a part time job is appropriate. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Somebody that already 8 knows how to do it. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And can do it in their 11 sleep is who we need. And then it would be a part time 12 job. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But one of the things I 15 want to touch on what Rusty said is that not only do 16 people become more educated, the citizens, but they also 17 are more satisfied with what they're paying for with 18 their tax dollars because they see what's happening, 19 they see where it goes. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I think what's -- as 21 an example is recently it's been -- I know Bob and I 22 have heard a lot about it, and I believe you all have as 23 well. An example of pet adoption events, we just don't 24 have a real good mechanism to get this out and hey we're 25 doing this. That's a type of thing I hear all the time 126 1 from the public that you know, well the City has their 2 calendar, don't y'all have a calendar. And we try to 3 piggy back their's on a lot of stuff, and do a good job, 4 and Convention Visitors Bureau does it, but just to get 5 information pushed out to those groups would be 6 important. So I think it is an important position. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I do too, and here we 8 come, and let's find -- where can we find the money, 9 what do we have to do, let's go through the proper 10 mechanism of posting, developing the qualifications and 11 everything, and let's go from there, so -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, just -- finish. 13 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I think, you know, 14 we're not going to take any action today so, 15 Commissioner, if you'd take it on yourself to find a way 16 to make this work we can move forward. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And the job description 19 like that is a four year journalism degree, four years 20 experience -- 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I'm going to leave 22 that up to somebody that's got a little experience in 23 news and broadcasting and stuff like that, and decide 24 what we really need. And I'm saying that in all 25 sincerity, Commissioner. You're in the field, so you 127 1 kindly know what we might need, so -- 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. I know we don't 3 think we have the money for it. Maybe we can squeeze 4 some out. 5 JUDGE POLLARD: We don't have it. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And even in the worse 7 case we can put it in the budget for next year. 8 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Let's get started on 9 it now. Thank for your bringing it up. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, so we're just 11 going to let him work on it awhile, and no action on 12 that right now. Okay. 13 1.25 consider, discuss and take appropriate 14 action regarding Victim Services Department and the 15 Alamo Area Council of Government, (AACOG) grant renewal, 16 including but not limited to: Adjusting the grant 17 budget and review changes for overall improvement of the 18 department and program. Amanda Calderon, how are you 19 doing? 20 MRS. CALDERON: Great. 21 JUDGE POLLARD: Finally. 22 MRS. CALDERON: I know, finally. 23 JUDGE POLLARD: Your had to wait a long 24 time. 25 MRS. CALDERON: I should have packed a 128 1 lunch. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: To be great or -- 3 MRS. CALDERON: Okay, so today I come before 4 you all not only as a victim rights coordinator but also 5 as an advocate for victims. And I feel like there's a 6 lot of awareness that needs to be brought to our 7 community. I really want to discuss kind of our numbers 8 and discuss growth for our future with the Victim 9 Services Department. I feel like our numbers have 10 sustained, and they're growing daily, and so I kind of 11 want to discuss where -- I feel like a Captain on a 12 ship, I just don't know where we're going. And I've 13 tried to compare to different victim service departments 14 in the area, and so I believe -- I have become very 15 familiar with Kendall County in working towards our -- 16 we're in the grant renewal process right now. So with 17 them they have similar numbers of people that are being 18 served, but I know they have three staff, and they also 19 are writing in this new grant to have two more come on 20 board. 21 So I do want to talk to you guys now just to 22 kind of get a feel for adding a staff, for adding an 23 advocate, and then talking about things with our grant 24 renewal, because it just got submitted on Friday for a 25 technical review, to talk about some program 129 1 enhancements that I would like to make. And do you have 2 any questions on that part? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, let's go over the 4 enhancements that you'd like to make. 5 MRS. CALDERON: I want to implement a new 6 program. I have been talking with Jennifer Forbes at 7 the -- after AACOG meetings to talk about a peer support 8 is what I would sum it -- sum it up to be. It would be 9 someone that when I've worked with them through the time 10 of Victim Services, someone that I feel like I can 11 assess that has been through the adjudication process, 12 and then I can pair up with a mentor with someone that's 13 coming in as new victim. So whether or not that be an 14 older child paired up with a maybe younger child, or 15 more in a domestic violence type situation where there's 16 a woman that's already gone through the whole process 17 can come back and just support a newer victim that's 18 just starting the process. My hope is that they can 19 kind of give them tips and not only support and add 20 another resource for this person, but also give them 21 tips when they're doing -- testifying. And get them -- 22 be more of a person that's on a different level rather 23 than a professional talking to somebody to say hey I've 24 walked in your shoes, and this is what helped me when I 25 was testifying, this is, you know, things that I did in 130 1 the community, and hopefully further the success and the 2 continuum of care for that client. 3 Another thing that I want to look into is 4 adding a Facebook page, and that where our department 5 can put informational things on there. If it's support 6 of clothes, empowering things. If it's any events that 7 we're having. Different movements like there's a huge 8 MeToo Movement, so there's different -- like I guess 9 recently I was looking this weekend a bunch of gymnasts 10 came out, and it talks about victim impact statements 11 and their impact statements and what that does. I think 12 that's good to educate our population of things that 13 they're going to have to, or can have the right to, do 14 later on. 15 We've also talked about transportation. 16 There has been times where I've needed to transport 17 people. Sometimes it's a comfortable situation; 18 sometimes it's not. So I know pretty recently there was 19 a young lady who -- we just needed to go KPD. With 20 everything that she was telling me, I really didn't feel 21 comfortable putting her in my vehicle, so I had her walk 22 and meet me there. The only issue when we got to KPD 23 there was more of the story coming out, and so I really 24 felt bad about her having to walk, because it could have 25 been a dangerous situation for her knowing that our area 131 1 is very small. So that's something that's coming up 2 more and more, there is a need to transport them, and I 3 would feel better transporting them in a safe vehicle; 4 not my own personal vehicle. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let me make a quick 6 comment is that Bob and I met with Amanda week before 7 last, I think, on the application she's working on. 8 AACOG has pretty much let it be known that they're not 9 interested in renewing the grant for the same thing. 10 They want improvements, they want enhancements. They 11 want -- they want more. They don't want the same. They 12 want you to be growing the department; not just keeping 13 the status quo. And that's one of the reasons I think 14 Amanda's coming up with these ideas and we've encouraged 15 her, Bob and I have encouraged her to figure out what 16 she needs, and where she can go with the department and 17 subject to funding. 18 MRS. CALDERON: And I feel like I'm, you 19 know, in regards to that I've kind of thrown my ideas 20 out with different departments, and I feel like there's 21 resistance. But I feel like I'm also in a lose-lose 22 situation. I can stay stagnant and keep a program that 23 I wouldn't be comfortable with, and that's just not who 24 I am, and it can maybe not be funded. Or I can say hey, 25 this is what our program could be, and design it 132 1 differently and make the enhancements. Yet, you know, 2 either way is a gamble. 3 MRS. STEBBINS: I would like to just speak 4 to support Amanda's ideas for a change, and seeking more 5 funding for different types of services to victims. 6 There's a large population of people who are victims of 7 crime in our community, and they deserve someone like 8 Amanda in this position, and the County to support the 9 idea that she has in growing this and providing more and 10 better from services to the victims. And I've watched 11 her grow this program in the time that she's been here, 12 and the services that she provides to these victims are 13 really above and beyond what she is required to do just 14 by her nature, this is -- this is who she is at the 15 core, and if there's anything that I can do to help 16 support Amanda and these ideas, I'll be glad to be of 17 help. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, do you have 19 specifics that you are requesting, Amanda? 20 MRS. CALDERON: The specifics would be the 21 advocate that I want to add on board, so that would be 22 another staff, and I just want to add on the one right 23 now. And so the advocate would have different roles 24 that would be kind of a backup to my role. If there is 25 someone in crisis sometimes I have an appointment and 133 1 someone comes in this crisis. It's not appropriate for 2 me to say hold on for 30 minutes until I get finished 3 with this person, and then someone else can fill in 4 there. 5 There's been a lot of overlapping court 6 dates, and so I think right before Christmas there was 7 three courts going on at once, and I really needed to be 8 in all three because there were victims in each of the 9 three cases, and so I was running from courtroom to 10 courtroom to kind of check in, but I couldn't stay and 11 really listen to that victim. And really it's a 12 translation of what's happening. You know when I sit 13 with them in court they really want to know what does 14 that mean, so it's an education piece like what does 15 that mean, what's going to happen next, what does that 16 mean for the case. This does require a lot of time. 17 What I really need help with as far as an advocate role 18 and something I would want them to take on is the crime 19 victims compensation. That is -- someone really has to 20 follow up with them regularly, and the issue has been 21 for people as we may with my training in prison 22 developability, I may fax in a packet and it may be 58 23 pages. And the recent thing is there's been three 24 victims that have had numerous case workers. And so 25 what happens is the application goes through and they 134 1 get a VC number. I get the information that we have a 2 VC number for them, but we don't know that they just 3 just got the application that might be 8 pages; they 4 didn't get the 50. And for someone to stay on top of 5 them and say okay, well what's happening with this, 6 what's happening to that. And even with Grimes Funeral 7 Home has been waiting for payment from -- for some 8 victim, and it's been three times that they've had to 9 fax this case worker the itemized bill for the funeral, 10 and so they really need someone to stay on them, and 11 sometimes I don't have that required time to do that. 12 MRS. STEBBINS: And I think that it's 13 important to tell the Court what you and I talked about 14 last week about the potential for the grant to cover 15 this other person entirely. 16 MRS. CALDERON: Yes. I know we can write 17 it -- of course our match is that AACOG covers 80 18 percent, and our match is 20. But I know that it can be 19 written specifically in the grant that that person and 20 their fringe benefits would be covered a hundred 21 percent. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: By the grant. 23 MRS. CALDERON: Yes. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the other thing 25 that's -- or part of our match could be -- we've talked 135 1 a little bit more about it at our workshop of redoing 2 the office space down there at Victims Services, and 3 adding an additional office would be an additional -- 4 you know, would be some funding, or part of our match 5 could be that, or computer, or other things along that 6 line. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: I think it's -- all of 8 these are needed. There again this is why I stress for 9 you to go to AACOG, and it sounds like you are doing 10 that with meeting with Jennifer Forbes and a few of them 11 there who are very good on helping with the criminal 12 justice side of it, and to continue to do that because 13 here again it's -- a lot of it's going to be subject to 14 funding. So you have some very valid points, and I 15 think you should continue to look in how to make it 16 work. Just like we were talking about public 17 information officer, you gotta figure out how to make it 18 work. If we want it bad enough we'll figure out how to 19 make it work, so I think that's where it's on you as to 20 figure out how to make it work. 21 MRS. CALDERON: And I know right now, and 22 like I said that just for numbers for you to get a feel 23 for numbers. When I came on board I believe I had 91 24 active cases. As of right now we have 503, and that 25 climbs daily. So within a 24 hour period KPD and Kerr 136 1 County Sheriff's office are great about within a 24 hour 2 period, I have what's happening. And so that's new 3 police reports that are coming in daily for assault, 4 family violence, stalking, sometimes child pornography, 5 child abuse, sexual abuse are the ones that usually roll 6 in very frequently. Also assault. And so since we have 7 the 216th in Gillespie and we also have the 198th in 8 Bandera, I know right now those numbers have 58 in 9 Bandera, and 50 cases in Gillespie. If I had another 10 person that I could utilize where the court dates 11 weren't overlapping and I can send someone in those 12 areas, I can almost guarantee that those case loads are 13 going to double. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what I was just 15 getting ready to ask you. If the case load increases 16 and you just answered that before I asked you. So 17 that's a huge increase. Golly. 18 MRS. CALDERON: And I know for protective 19 orders because we took that on when I started, we've had 20 about -- in 2017 we've had 97 protective order 21 applicants come in. There's been about 60 -- 67 22 meetings that we've had; about 30 didn't follow through. 23 So they may have come in for an initial screening and 24 they didn't come back. And then just our numbers 25 through KPD because I put that in our grant, in 2017 KPD 137 1 had 799 incidents involving victims, so that means that 2 my caseload is 500. There's still about 200 out there 3 that probably need services. And then I have for Kerr 4 County Sheriff's Office thee was 98 assault family 5 violences, 73 child abuse with charges, and 98 reported 6 child abuse without charges. And so the numbers -- the 7 numbers are there. I don't feel like there's ever -- 8 right now, I don't feel like it's ever going to go into 9 a lull where I'm twiddling my thumbs. 10 And there are great things that I see for 11 this program. Doing our event that I did last year for 12 community awareness with victims, and the crime victims 13 rights week. I want to do those things again, it helps 14 educate our community and the population, and we're all 15 affected by this. I believe when someone tells me their 16 story, I think of people who we go to church with 17 victims. Our kids go to school with victims. We work 18 with victims. Sometimes victims are our bosses. 19 Sometimes, you know, there -- it's all round us, and we 20 can't act like it doesn't happen, and we can't act that 21 it doesn't affect us because it does. It affects all of 22 us. 23 And so growing the program I just think is 24 the best thing, and effective and beneficial; not only 25 for the victims and their families, but our community. 138 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think -- I mean it 2 sounds like we're all pretty much in agreement that, you 3 know, all subject to funding, if we can get -- proceed 4 with requesting these enhancements and then the grant 5 applications and then hopefully they'll get approved by 6 AACOG and we can proceed with them. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: So to boil it down, Amanda, 8 it sounds like one additional person that you're talking 9 about initially? 10 MRS. CALDERON: Yes. 11 JUDGE POLLARD: And we're going to try to 12 get it funded through AACOG -- 13 MRS. CALDERON: Yes. 14 JUDGE POLLARD: -- for the cost of that 15 additional person? 16 MRS. CALDERON: Yes. And I did add in 17 there, I forgot to mention, two interns. Because that's 18 one intern per year from Schreiner. And the period that 19 I asked for them was from May to August, and that's a 20 12 hundred dollar in kind match, because Schreiner pays 21 the student for being here. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Wow, okay. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good. 24 COMMISSIONER REEVES: She has worked hard on 25 it. With that, and so keep us posted, please. 139 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Amanda, are you able to 3 sleep at night when you go home? 4 MRS. CALDERON: Sometimes no. I'm not good 5 at sleeping anymore. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I would think. 7 Golly. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Is there a deadline on 9 applying for this grant? 10 MRS. CALDERON: There is. So technical 11 review submission was today. I turned it in Friday. 12 And then the actual submission date is February 20th, so 13 I need to get back on a docket here so that we can do 14 the Resolution for the final submission, and then for 15 you guys to look over it. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: When would they fund it if 17 your application is granted? 18 MRS. CALDERON: We find out in May, and then 19 the actual grant period will start October 1st. 20 JUDGE POLLARD: That fits with our next 21 budget year. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: When she gets home she 23 has something really sweet to look at everyday. 24 Joaquin. 25 MRS. CALDERON: Yeah. He's a four year old, 140 1 but he's about four feet tall. Thank y'all. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Thank you. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Amanda. 4 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, I guess that 5 finishes the regular agenda, doesn't it? 6 MR. HASTINGS: Judge, they have that item 7 1.14 that we'd like to go back into to get that bid 8 awarded. 9 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, we'll go back to 10 item 1.15 -- 1.14, all the sealed bids, have you gone 11 over them? 12 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir, I've gone through 13 all of the bids, and I'd just like to clarify a 14 couple -- there's a couple companies that are doing 15 business as a different name than what was read, so I 16 want to read both names so it's clear. 17 The five companies that turned in bids in 18 the order of the bids were Bosworth, Morris A/C & 19 Heating doing business as Airtech A/C and Heating. 20 Allied HVACR doing business as State Aire. D & D 21 Mechanical, and Way Engineering. Those were the five 22 that turned in bids. All five attended the pre bid. 23 Bosworth did not turn in a bid bond, and did not 24 acknowledge addendum Number 1. All the other companies 25 did. 141 1 And the lowest qualified bidder is Morris 2 A/C & Heating doing business as Airtech, for a total bid 3 of $14,300.00, and it's my recommendation that the Court 4 enter into a contract with them and let's get them 5 going. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: That's a pretty wide spread 7 of prices on that. Do you have any hesitation about a 8 misunderstanding? 9 MR. HASTINGS: No, not at all. Not at all. 10 And I'll explain the reason why. We had one of the 11 units combed out, it was the worst one, and it took 8 12 hours. There are 72 units and some of these units are 13 going to take ten minutes to work on, they don't need to 14 be combed out, they just need to be cleaned. And then 15 so on average this bid is an average of 3.3 hours spent 16 on each unit, all 72, and I'm very comfortable with that 17 number. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's a good measure. 19 I've used Airtech personally in the past, and I think 20 they're a good company. 21 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I will say that 22 this is from insurance proceed, that we have the money, 23 and this is the second of many phases of repairs. One 24 with the sky lights at the Event Center. This one is 25 the second of the phase. And so your recommendation 142 1 once again for the record, Charlie. 2 MR. HASTINGS: For the Court to enter into a 3 contract with Morris A/C & Heating doing business as 4 Airtech A/C & Heating, for a lump sum total of 5 $14,300.00. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So move. 7 COMMISSIONER REEVES: And I'll second that. 8 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 9 Moser, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to accept the low 10 bid with Airtech, I think. 11 MR. HASTINGS: Airtech. 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Was that in fact the 13 low bid, or the best qualified? 14 MR. HASTINGS: The low bid and the best 15 qualified. 16 JUDGE POLLARD: For a proposal of $14,300.00 17 to perform all the work necessary that we set forth in 18 the specifications. 19 MR. HASTINGS: Yes, Sir. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Combing and cleaning 21 oughta really improve the efficiency of those units. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: All this is pursuant to item 23 1.14 of the agenda. Now, all right, that's the motion. 24 Is there any further comment or discussion? There being 25 none those in favor signify by raising your right hands. 143 1 It's four zero, unanimous. One abstention, myself. 2 All right, let's go through and start paying 3 some bills. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Probably not. We're 5 going to do that Thursday? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thursday. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: Going to do anything else 8 here on the agenda then, budget amendments. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 10 JUDGE POLLARD: Late bills, none. Approve 11 and accept monthly reports. Are there any? 12 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Yes, Sir. Unless 13 otherwise indicated all the reports are for the month of 14 December, 2017. County Clerk's report, District Clerk's 15 report, J.P. Precinct Number 1, J.P. Precinct 4, an 16 amended report for the J.P. Precinct No. 4, Constable of 17 Precinct 3, Constable Precinct 4, Indigent Services 18 report, County Treasurer's report. 19 Move to accept the reports as presented and 20 sign where needed. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 22 JUDGE POLLARD: Been moved by Commissioner 23 Reeves, seconded by Commissioner Letz to accept the 24 monthly reports as submitted, and approved as needed. 25 Is there any further comment or discussion? There being 144 1 none, those in favor signify by raising their right 2 hand. It's four zero, unanimous. 3 Any Auditor's reports? Like she's not here 4 so I guess not. 5 4.6, any court orders? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 7 JUDGE POLLARD: 5.1 reports from 8 Commissioners -- 9 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Wait. Go back to 10 Court Orders, and my apologies, Commissioner. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I went through all of 12 them, I think they're all emailed out Friday, they all 13 look fine. The only comment I have on some of them 14 here's an example on the Court Order 36531 says approved 15 to surplus the 13 items listed in the letter received by 16 Constable Wilke. I know there's a reference in there 17 so we could find that. But on some of the other ones it 18 looks like it was cut and pasted actual information into 19 the -- this one had that list put in there. Where it's 20 possible to put those lists in the court order I just 21 think that this makes it clearer for the future. But I 22 think it's fine right now. We're not going to back and 23 change it. It's kind of a new process. Where there are 24 things like that I think it would be helpful, so I think 25 they're all fine the way they are. 145 1 COMMISSIONER REEVES: So is that a motion to 2 accept the court orders? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, a motion to accept 4 the court orders. 5 COMMISSIONER REEVES: Second. 6 JUDGE POLLARD: All right, been moved by 7 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Reeves to 8 accept the court orders as submitted. Any further 9 discussion? There being none those in favor signify by 10 raising your right hands. It's four zero, unanimous. 11 Reports from Commissioners/Liaison Committee 12 Assignments. Anybody? 13 Reports from elected officials and 14 department heads? 15 MR. HASTINGS: I have one. Can you pass 16 this out, please. Thank you. Real quickly, received 17 some signs from the City of Kerrville that have to do 18 with Zebra Mussels. They have posted some of these 19 signs in the community, and they had extras made. And 20 they had seven extra ones -- some have a kayak on them, 21 some have a boat. And it's an initiative in the State 22 of Texas by Texas Parks and Wildlife to make everybody 23 aware that Zebra Mussels, an invasive species are in the 24 area. They've been found in multiple lakes throughout 25 the state, and they're trying to get a handle on them. 146 1 Zebra Mussels are invasive fresh water mussel, they're 2 native to the Black and Caspian Sea drainages in 3 Eurasia. The Zebra Mussels are filter feeders and they 4 can consume large quantities of plankton, which can 5 cause an upset in the water. 6 Zebra Mussels pose an economic threat to 7 Texas's infrastructure and recreational industries. In 8 addition to moving downstream with the flow of water, 9 Zebra Mussels are spread by humans who move objects, 10 primarily boats on which mussels are attached from one 11 water body to another. 12 Zebra Mussels were first discovered in 2009 13 in Lake Texoma and in the Red River Basin, and currently 14 there's 11 lakes in the State of Texas that are 15 infested, seven of them are showing positive. There's 16 four rivers that are positive, and there are two lakes 17 that are suspect throughout the State of Texas. 18 The seven signs, and I got with the 19 individual commissioners on this, we've got one at 20 Waltonia Crossing, Ingram boat ramp, the Ingram dam, 21 Flat Rock boat ramp, Flat Rock area where they put 22 kayaks in. One at Brinks Crossing, and one at Lion's 23 Park boat ramp. These signs have not all been installed 24 but they will be over the next few weeks. 25 JUDGE POLLARD: All right. Thank you. 147 1 MR. HASTINGS: You're welcome. 2 JUDGE POLLARD: Any reports from Boards, 3 Commissions or Committees. City/County joint projects 4 or operations reports, or other reports of any kind. 5 All right, that appears to complete the 6 agenda today, and this session is adjourned. 7 * * * * * * 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 148 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for the County Court of Kerr County, do 6 hereby certify that the above and foregoing pages 7 contain and comprise a true and correct transcription of 8 the proceedings had in the above-entitled Commissioners' 9 Court. 10 Dated this the 10th day of February, A.D. 11 2018. 12 13 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 14 No. 953 Expiration Date 12/31/2018 15 * * * * * * 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25