1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Special Session 5 Thursday, January 24, 2019 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: ROB KELLY, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Precinct 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Precinct 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Precinct 3 25 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.1 Pay Bills. 3 4 1.2 Budget Amendments. 3 5 1.4 Approve Payroll. 4 6 1.5 Court Orders. 4 7 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 5 action regarding liaison positions for 8 2019 and review liaison policies. Rescind court orders 36810 and/or 36765 as 9 necessary. 10 2.1 Reports regarding Commissioners/Liaison 8 Committee Assignments as per attachment. 11 2.2 Reports regarding Elected Officials/ 21 12 Department Heads. 13 *** Adjournment. 27 14 *** Reporter's Certificate. 28 15 * * * * * * 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 JUDGE KELLY: Court will come to order. 2 It's Thursday, January the 24th, 2019 a couple minutes 3 after 9 o'clock, and the Kerr County Commissioners' 4 Court is now in session. 5 Item 1.1 on the agenda is pay the bills. 6 MRS. JOHNSON: Good morning. 7 JUDGE KELLY: Good morning. 8 MRS. JOHNSON: For Kerr County it's 9 $459,880.10. For other funds for the Treasurer to 10 disburse Adult Probation fourteen thousand forty sixty 11 six. Airport three thousand eight fifty four twenty 12 six. Juvenile Probation one thousand seven sixteen 13 eighty three. Fund 95, which is the 198th DA forfeiture 14 account five ninety four ninety four. And fund 88, 15 which is the County Attorney's hot check discretionary 16 fund, five eighty seven ninety seven. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move we pay the bills. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Moser has moved 20 and Commissioner Belew has seconded the motion to 21 approve the budget -- pay the bills. Those in favor 22 raise your hand. Those opposed? Four zero, unanimous. 23 Commissioner Harris is not with us this 24 morning. 25 Item Number 2 is budget amendments. 4 1 MRS. JOHNSON: Yes. We have one for the 2 District Clerk, we moved from her postage line item to 3 her bond insurance line item for her liability bond for 4 the office. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval of the 6 budget amendment as presented. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Letz has moved, 9 Commissioner Moser has seconded for the approval of the 10 budget amendment. Any discussion? Those in favor raise 11 your hand. Four zero, unanimous. 12 1.3. Late bills. 13 MRS. JOHNSON: There is none. 14 JUDGE KELLY: 1.4 approval payroll. 15 MRS. JOHNSON: The total amount is 16 $543,057.89. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move we approve the 18 payroll. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Letz has moved, 21 Commissioner Belew has seconded for the approval of the 22 payroll. Any other discussion? Those in favor raise 23 your hand. Opposed? Four zero, unanimous. 24 1.5 court orders. I have these two that you 25 provided me. 5 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're from the 17th, 2 correct? 3 MRS. DOWDY: I wanted to make sure we had 4 the 14th as well. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have not gone through 6 the 14th, but I've gone through the 17th. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We could do that on 8 Monday if you wanted. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Why don't we go ahead 10 and approve court orders from the January 17th 11 Commissioners' Court meeting. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. For the record, we have 13 the court orders here from January the 17th, which are 14 37257 through 37259 that have been reviewed and ready 15 for approval. Is there a motion to approve those? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So move. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Commissioner Letz made 19 a motion, and Commissioner Moser seconded to approve the 20 January 17th special orders 37257 through 37259. Any 21 other discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Four 22 zero, unanimous. 23 1.6 consider, discuss and take appropriate 24 action regarding liaison positions for 2019 and review 25 liaison policies. Rescind court orders 36810 and/or 6 1 36765 as necessary. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We never really 3 finalized them. We were going to think about them since 4 the last meeting as I recall and look at them. I think 5 they were attached in the agenda backup the way we kinda 6 left them. 7 JUDGE KELLY: I haven't gotten any feedback 8 from anybody, so -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Me neither. They're 10 fine with -- 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Didn't we decide to 12 take County Parks off since that was the west side, east 13 side, and all that kind of stuff does not have a 14 liaison. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It is off of the new 16 version. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Yeah. The one 18 that was attached to yours. 19 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Well, the agenda has 20 what -- 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 22 MRS. GRINSTEAD: So it's in your backup 23 information has the new one. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Here's the new one. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Does it have the -- 2 some of them are taken off completely. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 4 yeah. Looks good. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We can always change it 6 if we want to. 7 JUDGE KELLY: I'm trying to find it in my 8 stack. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Here you go. 10 JUDGE KELLY: We took off subdivisions, we 11 took off parks. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Juvenile Detention. 13 JUDGE KELLY: The jail. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The Sheriff, jail. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, okay. Good. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, is there a motion? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do we want to -- did we 18 ever approve these? 19 MRS. GRINSTEAD: They were approved, they 20 just had some typos, but -- 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Just the responsibility 22 that the County keep them clear. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, I think that's 24 good. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion then 8 1 that we approve the liaison appointments for 2019, and 2 the Liaison responsibilities, and rescind court orders 3 36810 and 36765. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. We got a motion and a 6 second to approve the liaison appointments, and the 7 duties and responsibilities, liaison responsibilities. 8 I'm going to attach these, give them to the County Clerk 9 to prepare the order, put those together. Any other 10 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Opposed? 11 Four zero, unanimous. 12 Okay, Information Agenda. 2.1, any reports 13 regarding commissioners or liaison committee 14 assignments? Anything going on in your areas? 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: There on the subject of 16 anything going on in the area, there's still a large 17 area of concern by a lot of people about wastewater 18 being dumped from Starlite facility in Center Point into 19 Verde Creek. It was discussed at UGRA yesterday, it's a 20 big ditty, okay, in the fact that this Court sent a 21 letter signed by Judge Pollard to Starlite sometime ago 22 asking them to consider connecting into the Wastewater 23 System, which is about, I don't know, a thousand feet 24 from where their discharge is. They've not responded. 25 We took a cursory look at that, and the central 9 1 wastewater system can accommodate it. It'll eliminate 2 putting that discharge into Verde Creek, which has a 3 potential for a lot of drugs in it which the processing 4 facility cannot remove. So this is going to be -- and 5 Andy Murr's asked for a public hearing, and it was a 6 long discussion yesterday. UGRA, they're in support of 7 our position that, you know, they look seriously at 8 connecting to the central wastewater system that we're 9 putting in, so -- 10 JUDGE KELLY: Do we have any idea what that 11 cost? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's what we're 13 trying to get them to do. They need to look at their 14 side to see what it takes to -- we said that the project 15 engineers, design engineers for the wastewater system 16 would work with them to determine that, so the answer's 17 no, we do not know what it cost. But you know, the 18 eyeball is it cost less than building a new facility 19 over there for them and continuing to maintain it 20 forever. So anyway, that's a big thing. 21 And on Monday we're going to have the Nueces 22 Basin River Authority to come in and disclose some of 23 the stuff that they found from treated wastewater, and 24 even though it meets TCEQ criteria, it's not compatible 25 with the Hill Country geology and so forth, and it's 10 1 contaminating. They've had streams over there 2 contaminated because of phosphates and hydrogen is being 3 injected into the streams, so -- 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's from soaps? Is 5 that what those come from, or is that fertilizer or 6 what? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The increased phosphate 8 load usually is from any wastewater plant. A concern 9 out of the Comfort plant with the increased volume going 10 into it, but the reason it was not an issue in Comfort 11 is a hundred percent of that water goes to the golf 12 course. But there is usually a phosphate load just 13 coming out of any treatment facility. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, right. And so 15 the phosphate load is probably about ten times greater 16 than what the Nueces County has identified as being very 17 detrimental to the streams in the Hill Country, and 18 that's what's approved by TCEQ. So it's going to be a 19 big issue, I think. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Do we anticipate we're going 21 to have some workshops, or more -- 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think there's 23 going to be a Town Hall Meeting -- I mean not a Town 24 Hall Meeting, but a public meeting that will be held by 25 TCEQ, put all the facts on the table. And the only 11 1 other thing I could thing of is to try and contact -- 2 and I've sent an e-mail to the executives of Starlite 3 and they haven't responded saying, you know, we'd sure 4 like to hear from you and work with you, and see what it 5 takes to connect into the system. I think their 6 corporate office, which are fairly large, it's a billion 7 and a half dollar company, and I think they make like 8 six million dollars a month or something like that 9 revenue from that Starlite facility. So I think their 10 attorneys are saying just keep quiet, so they haven't 11 responded. Their design engineer was at UGRA last 12 night, but he wouldn't say anything. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The same one they had 14 before. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, yeah -- no. They 16 had two before, this is the younger of the two, yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We're going to have a 18 change of somebody new on the ESD Board, John Priour has 19 resigned. They meet in Ingram at the fire department, 20 and so that'll be a Precinct 4 appointee -- Precinct 1 21 and Precinct 4 make that ESD up. So they'll be a new 22 face or name if somebody wants to submit someone, 23 someone's name, or come forward and be a part of that 24 Emergency Service District. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A little bit of an 12 1 update on Animal Services. I think everyone knows that 2 Nicole Golden is the adoption coordinator, which has 3 helped out there quite a bit. Everybody seems very 4 happy with her. It'll be on Monday's agenda. Not for 5 sure if we have to have it on the agenda, but there is a 6 conference in Austin next week and the conference is 7 going to waive the entry fee for Nicole to go to the 8 conference, it's donations, but anyway I've worked with 9 the County Attorney on donations out there. The law 10 says any donations the Court has to accept, but 11 there's -- we're working through it, it's a very 12 complicated thing because people drop off dog food all 13 the time. And another thing as to how we handle 14 donations out there, we're just going to look at that, 15 but since -- and it's also a way to give the -- I think 16 it's Austin Pet Alive is putting on a conference to give 17 them a little bit of publicity and thank them. It's on 18 Monday's agenda. But everything else is going pretty 19 well out there. 20 Everyone, I think got a copy of the letter 21 from TCEQ relating to Environmental Health Department, 22 or OSSF, and the Judge and I are going to meet with 23 Ashli Badders on that. But the bottom line on that 24 letter is, you know, we're in full compliance. And they 25 have some suggestions that are good ones to make and 13 1 implement, but that was a good report overall. 2 JUDGE KELLY: They gave us a deadline to 3 respond, which we did send them a letter. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And obviously, last week 5 was the the stock show, very busy out there. I think it 6 was very successful. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How much revenue? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I have not heard. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: A million something 10 last year. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not sure of the 12 total. It appeared to me that it was higher. I mean, 13 there was a lot of bidders that stayed to the very end. 14 I'm not quite sure why I was there until the very end, 15 but I was. But there was a lot of new ones. Some were 16 absent from the past that was -- and I don't know if 17 they're doing add-ons. They've made the system, I 18 think, easier for people to donate. So I'm not sure if 19 they even know the final number yet, it'll probably be a 20 little bit. But good show. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The Ag Mechanic thing, 22 I mean it was huge. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Off the charts, too. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The things that they 25 build out there, golly. Do they -- and I don't know the 14 1 answer. Do they auction or sell that stuff that they 2 build? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't believe so. 4 Most of them go on to other shows. And at some point, I 5 think they -- you know, they may. I don't know if they 6 auction them at some point or not. But a lot of them, 7 the ones that left here went straight to Fort Worth. 8 And I'm going to make a stab at this. It 9 really isn't a liaison thing, but a stab at putting a 10 schedule together to present to the Court on workshops 11 and all that, and work with the Judge on that, and 12 figure out that schedule so all elected officials and 13 department heads are aware of that. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And as you do that, we 15 might want to put something on there about wastewater 16 into Hill Country streams, just have a workshop on that 17 because it gets rather complicated, so yeah, add that to 18 the list. 19 JUDGE KELLY: A lot of good topics. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And Jody and I will be 21 in Leakey at Region J meeting next Wednesday, if anybody 22 wants to go along, it's really exciting. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: There is one other 24 thing I wanted to say. We had a house burn up in 25 Precinct 1 last night, and it was the Turtle Creek and 15 1 Center Point Volunteer Fire Departments working 2 together. That's the second fire we have had recently. 3 The one the other day that you read about in the paper, 4 the girl who woke up in the night, and with no smoke 5 alarms working. So I just urge everybody to check your 6 smoke alarms. And if you don't have them, get them. 7 Look at the batteries. Don't wait for people to tell 8 you you have to do it in the fall and the spring, check 9 them now. And I went by and looked at that place this 10 morning just to make sure there was no glowing embers or 11 rekindle, and it's a complete and total loss. And the 12 Turtle Creek Fire Department is about three miles away 13 from there. That's how fast these things can happen. 14 Went up fast. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And there are a number 16 of places that will give those alarms for free. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Salvation Army -- I 18 mean Red Cross. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Red Cross, right. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I just followed the 21 water trail to the house. I didn't know exactly where 22 it was, so -- 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's all you gotta 24 do. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's all you gotta 16 1 do. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where was the house? 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: 385 Camino Real, back 4 off the road a little ways. But boy it's just gutted, 5 gone. 6 JUDGE KELLY: I guess a couple things that I 7 would report is I think everybody saw Senator Lucio's 8 introduced a bill for us not to have these Thursday 9 meetings. I don't know if that's going to get a hearing 10 or not, you know, coming out of the Texas Senate, so 11 just never know what's going to happen over there. But 12 as soon that that does pass, then our workshop schedule 13 I think will probably even be more important. We still 14 need to be able to get together and talk about things. 15 Been thinking about if we do away -- if we're not 16 required to do the Thursday morning how we're going to 17 handle that. Every other Monday between regular 18 Commissioners' Court meetings, or however, just be back 19 in play for us to make a decision on. 20 Went to my first Mental Health and 21 Developmental Disability Board meeting, where I got to 22 vote. I shadowed a couple of them, but good news is 23 that we're getting a new roof on the CSU over behind the 24 State Hospital, and the State is paying for it which is 25 even better news, without having to come out of MHDD's 17 1 budget, the State's going to pay for that. And they'll 2 be some renovations over there to get it more up to 3 speed. 4 And then yesterday, I was in San Antonio for 5 -- I real haven't decided, do they call it AACOG(A-COG) 6 or do they call it AACOG(a-COG)? 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Here we call it 8 AACOG(A-COG). 9 JUDGE KELLY: There's a couple schools of 10 thought on that, very interesting. The County part of 11 AACOG is very actively engaged gained, and very pleased 12 to see that. Judge Evans makes a motion on just about 13 everything. He does. One of the things I found 14 interesting, we had a report from Commissioner Wolff, 15 Kevin Wolff, in San Antonio who had just returned from 16 the Texas Urban Counties Caucus, and I didn't know they 17 had an Urban County Caucus. But 39 largest counties out 18 of 254 that represent 80 percent of the population in 19 Texas are extremely organized and active at the 20 legislature this year. So we need to be vigilant 21 because they're the ones that put the unfunded mandates 22 on us. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And they're the ones 24 that want our water. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Yes. 18 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Kevin's interesting 2 since he's the son of Nelson Wolff who's a progressive 3 democrat, I guess you'd say, and Kevin is a conservative 4 Republican. 5 JUDGE KELLY: For those of you that don't 6 know, all the county judges sit at one table, all the 7 city folks sit at the other table. The only two people 8 that he have that sit at the county judges table are 9 Kevin Wolff and -- what's his name? One of the 10 councilmen came over and sat with us yesterday. It 11 was -- I forget his name now. But by and large, there 12 are two schools of thought in those meetings, and one is 13 more conservative than the other. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: As is with the State 15 Legislature. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You finished? 17 JUDGE KELLY: Yeah. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I do have one I want to 19 go back on. I don't know that I mentioned it or not to 20 the Court previously, but I was at Little League fields 21 a couple -- probably six weeks ago and looked up, and 22 noticed that there was some dings on the lights. And no 23 one ever thought to check the lights after the 2016 hail 24 storm. So anyway, a claim has been filed and working 25 with the manufactures, Musco, that manufacture those 19 1 lights, and TAC. They had accepted the claim, I was 2 worried, and Dawn was worried at the time that they 3 would accept it as late as it was, so we're trying to 4 figure out how to inspect them, and how to proceed. 5 They could be anywhere from a $5,000.00 fix to a 6 $50,000.00 fix. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And does the ding 8 require a fix? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, the ding will 10 definitely require a fix if there's a ding. But you 11 can't see the hail damage because they're on the top of 12 the lights and they're 90 feet off the ground. So 13 that's working. 14 And then last week, I ran into Mary from the 15 airport, and there's also hail damage that was never 16 discovered on two of the buildings out there from the 17 same hail storm, and they'll be significant claims. The 18 Brinkman Hangar and paint -- it's called the paint 19 hangar. Commissioner Moser will know. It's an old 20 building, it used to be a paint hangar, and now it's a 21 hangar. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's revenue. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's revenue, yeah. So 24 anyway we're filing claims on those two as well, but 25 that'll be another -- going on for awhile. 20 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And the deadline had 2 passed? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. There's really no 4 deadline. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Claims are late filed. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm sure there is some 7 sort of deadline, but the loss date was June 1st of 8 2016. 9 JUDGE KELLY: The provision in the insurance 10 policy is usually provides that you have to report it 11 once you know it, and so now we're exercising our due 12 diligence since we discovered these claims, we can file 13 them and get paid. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just find a ladder tall 15 enough to look on top of the lights. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I'm thinking that 17 this is a good opportunity for IT to invest in a drone 18 so we can get up on that stuff and look at it, roofs and 19 tops of lights and what have you, don't you think, John? 20 MR. TROLINGER: Well we're already putting 21 cameras and wireless internet out there. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You have aviation and 23 technology together? 24 MR. TROLINGER: Yes, Sir. They go together. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No drones at the 21 1 airport. 2 JUDGE KELLY: We have anything else to 3 report on the information agenda, anything from elected 4 officials? Sheriff. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I can real quick. 6 Three things. First one I'll do is your drone. The 7 Sheriff's office has a drone, okay? An very expensive 8 drone, a very nice drone. It has infrared cameras on 9 it, it has regular video cameras on it. I have two FAA 10 licensed pilots for the drone. They will be attending 11 one more school the first week of February that will 12 also during that school is an actual flying school and 13 not just overall the FAA rules and everything. But that 14 is just flying it even inside buildings and things like 15 that when you're doing searches. At the end of that 16 school they will each be given -- to each another drone, 17 so by the end of February, the middle of February, we 18 will have three active drones with two licensed pilots 19 in the Department. We did that mainly because of the 20 number of Alzheimers and missing kids in the rural area, 21 and you know replying and do that kind of stuff. So 22 they will be capable of even viewing and filming the 23 tops of your lights if we had to at that point, under 24 all the Federal rules and regulations of it, okay. 25 Second thing in regards to one of the jail 22 1 situations, Kendall County did pass their inspection and 2 have the authorization for occupancy of their jail. And 3 I moved ten of their inmates out yesterday. We still 4 have another 30 or something in there. I don't know 5 when they're going to get the rest of them out, but 6 we're still housing between 30 and 40 of Medina County, 7 and some of Llano and Mason, so we're still going to be 8 housing quiet a few. 9 And I got a call last week from the U.S. 10 Marshals. U.S. Marshals have housed over 500 inmates in 11 the old Bexar County jail for years. They've been under 12 contract. Bexar County has quashed their contract 13 ending it this year. So they had until April to find 14 housing for 500 Federal inmates. There's a lot of rules 15 with that. I told them I'm not PREA compliant, I don't 16 intend on getting PREA compliant, and I also do not 17 intend on having my personnel transport them back to 18 Federal Court like they require. And I said if they can 19 live with those requirements and they need some place, 20 we wouldn't have anywhere near that, depending on the 21 price they could send us a copy of a contract and we 22 could look at it and negotiate it, but unless they meet 23 those two, I wouldn't even consider it. And that's 24 where we are with that, and we'll just see where that 25 goes. I'm not really interested in housing federal 23 1 inmates, depending on what they offer, okay. But that 2 could help us. 3 The fire situation -- 4 JUDGE KELLY: Before you move on from that 5 subject. I did have a conversation with Judge Schuchart 6 and some of the other judges yesterday about the jail 7 situation. Medina County sent us a check for 8 $34,000.00, and he was happy to tell me for housing 9 their inmates. But I had a long talk with him about 10 they've got a 96 bed jail and they're about ready to 11 build another 96 bed jail. We got a 328 bed jail. He's 12 going to have the new jail will be full before they 13 finish it. There not even close to being able to handle 14 their own. And I asked him why, why didn't they build a 15 bigger jail. It's because they took the bond issue to 16 the people and lost it, and so now they only do what the 17 Prison Commission, Jail Commission, absolutely requires 18 them to have. So our sister counties surrounding are 19 just going to do the minimum. So I think we're netting 20 what, a little over a hundred thousand a month? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We're billing over a 22 hundred thousand a month right now that we're 23 collecting. 24 JUDGE KELLY: It's just good to know. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And the thing is, I 24 1 don't expect Kendall to be able to take all there's out, 2 yeah. And they passed the bond issue, though, but 3 unfortunately the Jail Commission years ago when we 4 started looking at ours, and probably almost ten years 5 ago, they did a study then, I had them come in and do a 6 study, and they told us we needed to have 144 beds back 7 then. And then about six years ago right before we went 8 out for the bond issue, we had them come back and do 9 another one, and they told us that we only needed 96 10 beds even though our population -- and I could show them 11 both studies, and they said well they were catching a 12 lot of heat for recommending, and they had to change 13 their method of recommending bed space, and they -- so 14 that's kind of what happened. It's not an accurate deal 15 that they're doing now. They changed directors during 16 that -- executive directors. They did a lot of things 17 that all of a sudden they started cutting down from a 18 lot of that stuff. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just on this last 20 expansion, I remember when we went through that Rusty 21 showed us the data from 30 years ago that said when the 22 old jail was built this is what you need for the next 20 23 years. So at the end of that 20 years then we looked at 24 what needed to be done for the next 20, and that's what 25 was taken to the public, so it was looking 20 years 25 1 ahead, and it was done really well. I mean looking at 2 projected growth, and increase in crime rate and all 3 that kind of stuff. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Lots of these we took 5 and the last one we took it in this one is let's get our 6 bond issue paid off before we have to do anything else. 7 And it worked in the last one. We had it paid off 8 before we had to expand and go out for another one and 9 hopefully, you know, you're trying to look in that 10 crystal ball, but hopefully it will work in this one and 11 for the next few years give us a little bit of income to 12 help pay off some of that. But that's kind of where we 13 are. 14 But on that fire issue you, too, that little 15 girl, I think Kerrville Fire Department's going to award 16 her. She did do a remarkable job on that first house 17 fire. She actually crawled out of bed, crawled 18 underneath the smoke, went and woke up mom and dad, got 19 out of the house herself, ran to grandma and grandpa's 20 house next door to call the fire department, and she 21 did. And that's one thing we need to recommend. She 22 goes to Nimitz Elementary School, and the Kerrville Fire 23 Department does make it a practice to go to these 24 schools and talk to these kids about fire safety and, 25 you know, drop and roll and what to do in your house, 26 1 and crawl, and she had remembered every bit of it. So 2 you know, kudos to the Kerrville Fire Department because 3 they don't get to see a lot of that come back normally. 4 But kudos to them for having that program. And I think, 5 I'm not positive, but I think most of our Volunteer Fire 6 Departments do the same thing, and I hope they do 7 because those kids do retain that when it's needed. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Suggestion. February 9 6th is when we recognize the first responders at the 10 luncheon. I think it's February 6th. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think it is. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why don't they get that 13 little girl to come to that? 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, since it is a 15 fire issue, we'll talk to them. I hope they do, okay, 16 but I think they oughta handle it. I mean we were an 17 assisting agency in that, and we put it out -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Precinct 1? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It was in Precinct 1 20 off of Spring Meadow. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Somebody oughta talk to 22 Danny Smith and get him to invite her there. 23 SHERIFF HIEHOLZER: Yeah. The San Antonio 24 News media talked to them yesterday, and they did say 25 they were planning on recognizing her, and I think they 27 1 should be. But that's the only information I got back. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Good. 3 (Commissioners' Court adjourned.) 4 * * * * * * 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 28 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County, do hereby certify that 6 the above and foregoing pages contain and comprise a 7 true and correct transcription of the proceedings had in 8 the above-entitled Commissioners' Court. 9 Dated this the 4th day of February, A.D. 10 2019. 11 12 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 No. 953 Expiration Date 04/31/2020 14 * * * * * * 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25