1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Special Session 5 Thursday, February 21, 2019 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Precinct 1 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Precinct 2 24 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Precinct 3 25 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.1 Pay Bills. 3 4 1.2 Budget Amendments. 4 5 1.4 Approve Payroll. 4 6 1.5 Court Orders. 4 7 2.1 Reports regarding Commissioners/Liaison 5 Committee Assignments as per attachments. 8 2.2 Reports regarding Elected Officials/ 14 9 Department Heads. 10 *** Adjournment. 50 11 *** Reporter's Certificate. 51 12 * * * * * * 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 3 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Call to order Special 2 Commissioners' Court meeting of February 21st. First 3 item on the approval agenda is item 1.1 pay the bills. 4 MRS. JOHNSON: Good morning. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Good morning. 6 MRS. JOHNSON: For Kerr County, we have 7 $86,896.37. And for other funds to be disbursed by the 8 Treasurer is Adult Probation $6,767.23. Airport 9 $171.12. Juvenile Probation $276.00. Fund 78, which is 10 the County Clerk fee, 86 dollars and a penny. Fund 32, 11 which is for the TDA, which is the amount that we paid 12 last week, but I chose the wrong vendor, so we're 13 correcting that vendor this week and paying the 43 14 thousand 320. And fund 95 is the 198th DA for one 15 thousand fifty-seven thirty four. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move that we approve 17 the Treasurer disbursements as presented. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Motion by Commissioner 20 Moser and second by Commissioner Belew to approve the 21 bills and disbursements as presented. Any further 22 discussion? In favor raise your right hand. It's 23 unanimous, three zero. 24 Let the record reflect that Judge Kelly and 25 Commissioner Harris are not here at the moment. 4 1 1.2 budget amendments. 2 MRS. JOHNSON: Yes, we have three. Veteran 3 Service, Juvenile Probation and Indigent Services. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move that we approve 5 the budget amendments as presented. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'll second. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Motion and second to 8 approve the budget amendments as presented. Any further 9 discussion? All in favor raise your right hand. It's 10 unanimous, three zero. 11 Any late bills? 12 MRS. JOHNSON: There are none. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The payroll? 14 MRS. JOHNSON: Payroll, the total amount is 15 551,582.41. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move that we pay the 17 payroll. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Motion from Commissioner 20 Belew, second from Commissioner Moser to approve the 21 payroll as presented. Any discussion? All in favor 22 raise your right hand. Unanimous, three zero. 23 Court orders. Previously sent out were 24 court orders from our special meeting on February 14th, 25 and they all look to be in order. 5 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move that we accept 2 them as prepared. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Motion from Commissioner 5 Moser, second from Commissioner Belew to approve the 6 court orders from the February 14th, 2019 Special 7 Commissioners' Court meeting. Any further discussion? 8 If there's none, all in favor raise your right hand. 9 It's unanimous, three zero. 10 Reports regarding our liaison. Commissioner 11 liaison positions? 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I don't have anything. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Commissioner Moser? 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The only thing on one 15 of the budget amendments was for the Veteran Service 16 Officer to move some funds around so she could get 17 software necessary to get her accreditation and get into 18 the Veterans Administration stuff, so that's good she's 19 moving. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Seems her accreditation 21 is going faster than I previously thought it could 22 happen. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Or then you were led to 24 believe it should be possible. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right, right. Yes, 6 1 yes. So that's one of the major steps, so she's doing 2 extremely well. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On Animal Control, or 4 Animal Services, I guess will not require any court 5 action, but it's something I want to announce that 6 Kendall County, there's the Hill Country Spay and 7 Neuter, I think is what they're called. Anyway, they 8 approached us, and Reagan, myself and Nicole met with 9 the representative last week, and they want to pay the 10 difference -- right now, y'all may not know this, the 11 spay and neuter, the County contributes $40.00 for the 12 spay and neuter cost of any animal that's adopted. The 13 cost can range anywhere from a hundred to $500.00. I 14 mean -- 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: On one animal? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: On one animal. Now, the 17 $500.00 is on the extreme side, depends on that -- 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's a dog or cat; 19 that's not an alligator or something weird. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Generally it's in the 21 hundred, a hundred 20 dollar range frequently is what a 22 lot of the vets around here charge. Anyway, they are 23 going to pick up the difference between the $40.00 and 24 the the actual cost, whatever that is, and so that the 25 people that are adopting the animals will not have to 7 1 pay anything. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They, Kendall County. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only the catch is -- 4 well, I didn't say that exactly right. The animals are 5 going to them to spay and neuter, and they're picking up 6 the difference. I don't know what they charge. They 7 may have some kind of discounted rate, but the low -- 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So we transport animals 9 to Kendall County, or they come get them, or how does it 10 work? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right now we're taking 12 them twice a week. They reserve spots for. We'll drop 13 them off and then the people that are adopting can come 14 pick them up. But Reagan's looking into the possibility 15 of having a volunteer have them take them down there so 16 it won't take up any of our staff time. But it's a 17 service that they are doing in Kendall County, and it's 18 been very successful on increasing the spay and neuter. 19 Right now it's a -- you know, it's probably staff time 20 wise it'll be a wash because now we're having to track 21 these animals because now we give basically a voucher 22 and they go to local vet, and they can still do that if 23 the person chooses. But then we have to follow up with 24 a person, did you get it done and send us the receipts 25 and all that. This way we're just taking them, dropping 8 1 them off, and then this is just being down down there, 2 and the people that are adopting them pick it up. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Now, people will still 4 have to pay something for the animal, right? Just not 5 the spay and neuter? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So what would the fee 8 drop down to at that point? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not sure. Don't ask 10 too many questions. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I don't think 12 they should be able to just go get an animal and just 13 pay nothing. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. There's a fee that 15 they pay. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 30 dollars or 35, or 17 something. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the cost, the 19 service also provides shots, rabies and that type of 20 stuff. So anyway, it's a trial basis. They've 21 allocated a certain amount of money in their budget to 22 do it. And I said, you know, Reagan -- well, was a 23 little apprehensive from the standpoint of what your 24 questions are of taking time, and then what happens if 25 we -- you know, the facility gets full and we need to 9 1 get animals out, and it's all kind of a discretionary 2 basis from our standpoint. They reserve the slots for 3 us every week, I think two days a week. We either call 4 and cancel, or take the animals down there. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So why is Kendall 6 County agreeing to pay for all that? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I've asked them that a 8 lot -- 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Maybe we shouldn't want 10 to ask. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Maybe it's grant -- is 12 it grant money? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're funded, it's a 14 non-profit. So they raise money, and they have the 15 funds available to do it. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: They have funds to do 17 it. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But they still get paid 19 for this? 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's all done in-house 21 by them. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All the spay and 23 neuter. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: No cost. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No cost. 10 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is there any liability 2 for the County in having a volunteer take animals and 3 drive there? 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I would think so. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I would think so. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. But there's 7 volunteers doing that kind of stuff all the time in that 8 facility, which it's a concern and we're -- you know, 9 not really from donations, and we have volunteers over 10 there, you know, if they get bit, you know. There's 11 lots of things that hasn't been, and Nicole may be the 12 one to transport them, we're not sure. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And we have to get our 14 fire departments permission to cross county line. We're 15 supposed to. And so -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That an Interlocal 17 agreement. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, that's an 19 Interlocal agreement. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And now you're going in 21 another county with these animals -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But we have employees 23 that go to other counties for a lot of reasons. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm just asking a 25 question that probably should be answered before we 11 1 enter into it. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. And there's 3 really no agreement from our standpoint. It's not 4 changing anything that we're currently doing really 5 other than we're -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's just a way of 7 getting them spayed and neutered. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It doesn't cost us any 9 more or less. And the other item on that, we're having 10 difficulty on the Animal Advisory Committee getting the 11 two representatives that we're required to. One's a 12 vet, and one's an animal shelter manager, which are two 13 other -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Will our local vet in 15 the basement, will he -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: He will do it, but his 17 time is very difficult too. He's talked to another vet, 18 and that vet hasn't returned my call in about a week, 19 so -- you know, if we don't get it in the next couple of 20 weeks, I'll probably put it back on the agenda and see 21 if we can figure out how to redo that committee. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Like being a court 23 appointed attorney, they just really don't want to do 24 it. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Don't blame them. 12 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But the good news is at 2 the animal shelter is we got down to zero population for 3 a little bit. That's really good. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But not to throw cold 5 water on that, it's a slowest time of the year, and 6 they're about to get an explosion of kittens and 7 puppies, so anyway -- 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So is there a timeline 9 on making some kind of a deal with the folks in Kendall 10 County? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's done. Because it 12 doesn't really -- it's a -- I don't see the -- I talked 13 with the County Attorney. It's set to start March 11th, 14 you know, and we put it off that far, but I need to talk 15 to Heather a little bit about it, but I don't know that 16 it requires any kind of agreement because it's just a 17 matter of who's going to do spay and neuter for us and 18 it's no cost to us, and I don't see it's a whole lot 19 different than what we're doing right now. Certainly 20 there's no budget impact, so -- 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But we can't tell 22 people that on March 11th they'll no longer be a spay 23 and neuter here, or can we? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, it'll be 25 voluntary. Some people may not want to drive to Kendall 13 1 County to pick up their pet; they may want to go to 2 their vet, or whoever. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the county is 4 currently paying $45.00? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: $40.00. We pay $40.00. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Now, are we going to 7 give that to Kendall County? 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. That's 10 fair. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's no change from 12 what our policy -- it's not changing us at all. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So they get something 14 for it. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So then, just help me 17 walk through this. I go in and I want to adopt an 18 animal, and I can say I want to go to Kendall County and 19 pick up the animal after it's spayed or neutered, or I 20 want to go over to Dr. Leifeste and have it done. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It will give an option. 22 We can say it will cost you -- it'll be a $40.00 23 voucher, it'll cost you nothing if we go through this 24 process, and you'll have to pick up the dog on this date 25 in Kendall County or, you know, $40.00 voucher and you 14 1 can use a local vet of your choice. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's for an animal 3 that's already adopted; the rest of them go over there 4 to get fixed or neutered -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't get them spayed 6 or neutered until they're adopted. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. There's the part 8 I was missing. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And kind of talking 10 about this waiting for the Judge to get back downstairs. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Welcome back to Debra 12 by the way. Good to have you back. 13 THE REPORTER: Thank you. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 2.2. 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I was trying to avoid 16 Rusty. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's impossible. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Anything from elected 19 officials and department heads? 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think they opted me 21 and the County Clerk, so I don't know if the County 22 Clerk wants to make hers first -- 23 MRS. DOWDY: I think we were supposed to 24 start Thursday, is that correct, by that e-mail? 25 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Yeah. 15 1 MRS. DOWDY: So we got off the hook. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: When? 3 MRS. DOWDY: Unless you want to go. 4 MRS. GRINSTEAD: They start on the 28th is 5 when we were going to do that. But if you'd like -- 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's all right. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You want one real 8 quick? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sure. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What'd you say, real 11 quick? 12 (Laughter.) 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well -- 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just want to be on the 15 record there. 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. And what I'm 17 going to give y'all are the lot of it's figures and 18 things like that just to let you know what all's going 19 on in the Sheriff's Office mainly during this budget 20 year from October 1 to now. I think that would be 21 relevant because of the budget process and that. 22 And so as far as the Texas Commission on 23 Jail Standards, they require that we do certain monthly 24 reports, and that tracks immigration holds that we have 25 in custody and it tracks a lot of paper-ready inmates 16 1 waiting to go to TDC, and they have a form that figures 2 the cost of that, okay, and what it's costing us. 3 And give you just a couple of those quick 4 little deals. So far since -- for the months of 5 December and January -- November, December and January, 6 we have had illegal immigration detainers placed on 7 individuals for a total of 945 days. That's each one 8 that counts a day so that's why you have so many days. 9 And at a figure that the Texas Commission on Jail 10 Standards figures that out, that cost Kerr County 11 $38,867.85. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's over what 13 period? 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: From October until now. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So that was how 16 many -- 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 945 days, prisoner 18 days. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 945 prisoner days, 20 okay. How many days is that; not prisoner days? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, 30 days in each 22 month is the way it works, and so many inmates. Like 23 take for example the -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Now, I got that. I'm 25 just trying to get from October to the end of the 17 1 period, how many months? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It starts -- and the 3 way this works is we have to file the report by the 5th 4 of every month. So the first report that I cited was 5 filed on for the month of October, okay, and that was 6 301 prisoner days for that day at a cost at $41.13 per 7 day, is the way they figure. 8 And then you had November at 247 prisoner 9 days at the $41.13. 10 December at the -- was 253 days at 4113, and 11 January at 144 days at the 4113, which comes to a total 12 of 945 total days -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, my question is 14 that doesn't include February -- 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. Because we have -- 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So that's four months, 17 that's 120 days. 120 days into 945 is roughly 8. So 18 average 8 for -- 8 per day. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, on average. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Earlier you said about 21 ten, so just about averaging 8, okay so that's what I 22 was trying to get to. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Under the same 24 calculation, we have what's called paper-ready inmates. 25 These are inmates that are already through the court 18 1 system and waiting to be transported to prison, okay? 2 We've gotten all the paperwork from the court and 3 everything, we've sent it all into the prison system, 4 TDC, and they then come back with a date we can 5 transport them. We have to make reservations is just 6 about what it amounts to, okay? On the prisoners 7 waiting, on the paper-ready days during that same time 8 period is 2,182 paper-ready days, inmate days. If you 9 use the same calculation that the Jail Commission uses 10 on the cost to the County, that would be a total cost of 11 $89,745.66 that it cost us housing inmates that should 12 be in TDC. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay. That gives you 15 an idea on that. Now, the next thing is prisoner 16 bookings and releases for the same time period since 17 October. We had booked into the jail 1,192 people, 18 okay? We had released 1,276 people. 19 On the billing part where we are billing 20 these other counties, I did do this on two separate 21 scenarios since we just started that last year. I took 22 from January of last year, January 2018 to the present 23 and then I did a second one for the budget year, October 24 2018 to the present. From January, 2018 to the present, 25 we have billed a total of $785,950.00 to other counties 19 1 for housing their inmates. That is other counties and 2 cities. That's the City of Ingram, City of Kerrville, 3 and then it is Kendall County, Llano County, Medina 4 County and Menard County, okay? 5 For this budget year alone just from October 6 to now, and I think if you remember the Auditor and I 7 were kind of estimating we may do around 300 thousand 8 because we weren't sure where Kendall County was going 9 to go. To let you know, we are still housing a couple 10 of Kendall County's even though they've been open for 11 over a month, they're full so we're still housing 12 inmates. But so far this budget year we have billed out 13 427,600. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the budget has 300 15 thousand for the year? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 300 thousand is what we 17 estimated for the year, and we have already budgeted 18 427,600. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: What, the daily amount 20 that's billed out stays the same for each of the 21 neighboring counties -- 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 50 dollars a day. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So we're only making 24 ten dollars a day on that? 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, that's by State 20 1 figuring, okay? If you take our entire budget and 2 divide it out, I think it's actually costing us about 3 $35.00 a day, but the thing you have to remember is when 4 it actually gets to those points, you hire -- you have 5 to hire jailers by increments of 48 inmates. And once 6 you get one person in a cellblock that you're having to 7 use, it could be an 8-person cellblock, okay, but the 8 cost to run that cellblock, electricity, welfare checks, 9 you know, TV, all that kind of -- water, it's all going 10 to be the same. The only thing you're really changing 11 by adding more inmates your daily food cost. So 12 regardless of whether I have 150 inmates or 200 inmates, 13 in reality it's not a difference in price, if you know 14 what I'm talking about. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The consumables are 16 just -- 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The consumables. And 18 right now we're averaging about $1.30 a meal for 19 inmates. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: What does the City pay 21 again for -- 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: 50. But for one day 23 only. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: One day. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: If you look at it so 21 1 far for say that contract billing, and I'll just do the 2 part for this year, for this budget year. The City of 3 Ingram has paid a total of $850.00. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Golly. Out of the 5 785,000. 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. Out of the 7 427,000. The City of Kerrville has paid 21,950, okay? 8 The Kendall County has paid 216,000. Llano has paid 9 12,550. Medina County has paid 164,400. And Menard 10 County has paid 11,850, okay? So that's the breakdown 11 of it. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Now everybody but 13 Kerrville pays each day, right? My understanding -- 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And Ingram. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And Ingram. Kerr 16 County, and everybody outside of county -- 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. And that's 18 because of the way the law is. Anybody that stays, once 19 they're magistrated by a magistrate, they become a 20 county responsibility. You can't charge the City of 21 Kerrville more, you know. And it's only for those that 22 are on the arrest. If they go out and arrest one on a 23 County Court at Law warrant that's outstanding, okay, 24 they don't get charged at all, because that person's 25 already a county prisoner, they just arrested them. 22 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But those two 2 municipalities don't have their own jail facility? 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Which makes it an 5 unusual circumstance or -- 6 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: -- plenty of counties 8 where the cities have their own jail. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No, most of them don't. 10 Like even at San Antonio. San Antonio has a lockup, and 11 that's what they're called. They can hold them up to 48 12 hours in a lockup. Travis County is the same way. 13 After that they have to be transferred to the County 14 Jail. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So it's sort of like a 16 general population drunk tank kind of thing, or what? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. Okay, it's a 18 processing where they can get them magistrated there and 19 they never go to the County Jail, they get released from 20 there, and the cities don't pay a dime for it. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So this is the trend, 22 is that what we're seeing? 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. It's been this way 24 for a hundred years. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Really? 23 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I've seen a lot of City 3 jails. Not from the inside, but -- 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They don't hold them 5 long, that's the whole deal, because by law if they're a 6 Class B and a Class C misdemeanors, and all felonies are 7 the responsibility of your county, okay, they fall into 8 your County Court at Law -- 9 MRS. STEBBINS: A and B; C are the City. 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: C are the City; Class B 11 and A, I'm sorry, okay, are the responsibility of the 12 County. Now, a class C is also, okay, because it is a 13 state offense, you know. Public intoxication is a State 14 of Texas offense, so those fall into the County. The 15 only ones that you can charge cities for more than one 16 day, and none of them ever stay in jail more than one 17 day are your City Ordinances, okay, like camping down 18 here at Louis Hayes Park, you know, or something like 19 that, loitering or something. Those, if they ended up 20 in jail for five days, we could charge them for five 21 days. But they will get out automatically the next 22 morning, they never stay in jail for more than that one 23 day, that's the way that works. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So they go to jail 25 overnight, a City offense, and then they get fined 24 1 for -- pay some kind of fine. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They only pay a fine. 3 They get an automatic PR Bond. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But if they have an 5 offense where for example they have done something where 6 there's a fine attached to it, they're going the pay the 7 fine and that money's going to go to the City? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: After they go to Court; 9 not magistration. The next morning if they go -- say a 10 City camping offense, that's a City Ordinance. They 11 arrest them this afternoon, they put them in jail, 12 tomorrow morning they're going to see the Judge, the 13 Judge is going to set a $500.00 PR bond, and they're 14 going to be released. Several weeks later, whatever, 15 they'll get a summons, they'll going to City Court, 16 okay, Municipal Court. That's where they'll get fined, 17 they can ask for a jury trial, they can do all kinds of 18 stuff. 19 MRS. STEBBINS: But oftentimes when it's a 20 City Ordinance violation, they'll get time served, or 21 they'll do community service, or otherwise show the 22 Court that they're indigent, because usually like if 23 it's a camping it's people who don't have anywhere else 24 to go. So it's not really -- what you said is at the 25 beginning of that question, I think. It's not really 25 1 the City's getting the money for the violation, because 2 oftentimes when it's those offenses they're not. Now a 3 PI, a public intoxication, they'll get it, but they're 4 also paying for the one day that they're in jail. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But anybody that sits 6 in jail on an offense is allowed in 99 percent of the 7 cases up to a hundred dollars credit on any fines and 8 cost for that day that they sat in jail per day. They 9 get a hundred dollar credit. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Obviously, you 11 understand where I'm going with that. If we're paying 12 to house them, but the City gets the fine money, and 13 we're -- 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You got it. But the 15 City pays us for that one day that they're housed. 16 MRS. STEBBINS: And that's all that the law 17 permits. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So it's about a wash? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We're paying a lot 20 more. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's what I figured. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And there's no doubt. 23 But that's designed by law; not the designed by the City 24 or the County. That's what the law states, we don't 25 have a choice. 26 1 MRS. STEBBINS: That's right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I don't know how 3 often you talk to Chief Knight, but in the city, I 4 understand, is going out for planning to build a new law 5 enforcement center, are they planning to put any cells 6 in that center? 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, under the old 8 City Manager there was a -- that was brought up. Under 9 the newer City Manager, I have not heard that talked 10 about, okay? So I wouldn't bet on it. It takes on a 11 lot of liability and a lot of issues. They have to get 12 inspected by the State Commissioner on Jail Standards, 13 there's a lot more to it. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Why would they? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I mean it would 16 make no sense to me, but I heard about it in the past. ' 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Years and years ago 18 when they had the old police station where the bank is 19 now over off Clay, they had a City lockup over there, 20 okay, and it had two cells in it. So they would just 21 bring them over to the jail after they got through with 22 that or whatever. But most cities aren't doing that 23 now; it's just some of your bigger ones do it just for 24 quickness of getting them magistrated and not having to 25 go to a county jail and wait for the booking process and 27 1 all that, all right? Okay, so that gets you the 2 billing. 3 Call stats, what our dispatch center has 4 taken as far as calls so far just in this first few 5 months since October, we have responded to 7,439 calls 6 for service. That's since October 1. And you're 7 running five to six deputies, that's a lot, okay? 8 One of our -- all of our kind of pet peeves, 9 they call them short PCO Transport; I call them 10 emergency detention because they're not our emergency 11 mental health detentions, they are not actually PCO's, 12 but they are transports. If you know, since CSU cut the 13 agreement with the County because of their new person 14 over there, and will not. Most of ours we're having to 15 transport out of county. So any person that's found -- 16 citizen that needs immediate emergency detention in a 17 mental health facility, most of them are being told 18 there is no room at the CSU, so the judges will issue 19 those commitments, and the agreement we have with 20 Kerrville PD is one time they will drive and we'll ride 21 with them, because you never want to send less than two 22 officers, and the next time we will drive, and they will 23 ride with us. Taking their vehicle or our vehicle, we 24 rotate that. That's been an agreement that my 25 Department and the Police Department have had for 18 28 1 years, I guess. 2 MRS. STEBBINS: Would you like for me to 3 explain a brief history? For a very long time this was 4 an agreement between the County and the CSU, and that 5 was during. 6 Linda Werlein time, and when she came over 7 to request support for the CSU establishment there 8 because it took legislative action, part of the 9 conversation with the Commissioners' Court was -- and it 10 was reduced to a Memorandum of Understanding was that 11 they would make sure that Kerr County citizens could get 12 into the CSU, and if he were unable to have a space at 13 the CSU for Kerr County residents they, the CSU, would 14 transport them to other locations around the State. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We also paid for the 16 paving of their parking lot over there in that 17 agreement. 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Who pays for the 19 transport? 20 MRS. STEBBINS: Now who pays for the 21 transport, we do, the County does, the City does, or the 22 officers who I guess initiate that contact with the 23 person pay for that transport, and so there was and when 24 there was sort of a changing of the guard over there at 25 the CSU, and a new director of MHDD they canceled that 29 1 agreement, and you'll find often now that what Rusty's 2 saying is exactly right. There are most of the time not 3 sufficient beds available for Kerr County residents, and 4 so the officers are constantly taking them out of 5 county, and when my staff goes over there to do hearings 6 for commitments, or probable cause hearings, most of the 7 people there are people from the 19 -- or the 18 other 8 counties in our catchment area, so we're dealing with a 9 lot of Hays County people, a lot of -- 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Comal. 11 MRS. STEBBINS: -- Comal County people, 12 that's who we go over there and do hearings for. Now 13 the County gets to bill the other county for it, but 14 it's a lot of work on behalf of Judge Kelly, J.P.'s, 15 Deb, the County Clerk's office, my office, in order to 16 process these other county's cases here at the CSU. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And we tried last year, 18 Andy Murr filed a bill on my behalf, and Clay went with 19 me, and we went through Committee on trying to just 20 change the deal to put more of it that the CSU 21 employees, MHMR or MHDD could actually do those 22 transports, okay, to word it a little bit better, and it 23 never even made it out of Committee because of their 24 lobbyist. 25 But so far just since October 1, we have had 30 1 to make 43 of those transports. Now, that's pulling 2 person off patrol, or somebody's having to come in and 3 work extra, you know, overtime. Those transports have 4 been made to San Antonio Behavioral Hospital, Audie 5 Murphy, Laurel Ridge, Austin State Hospital, WellBridge 6 in San Marcos, nix, Clarity Guidance Center, you name 7 it, we haul them all over the State. 8 MRS. STEBBINS: Just waiting for that El 9 Paso one, aren't you, Rusty? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And we have done El 11 Paso before, too, which is not good at all. But that's 12 what we're having to do so far. 13 Criminal Investigation Division summary of 14 what they've done so far this year. They have had to 15 process 13,904 pieces of evidence, and they have had to 16 make videos submitted for prosecution, 508 copies of 17 those, and we're paying for all that out of my 18 investigative budget, if you were wondering where all 19 that comes from. 101 items have been forfeited to the 20 agency. They include guns, jewelry, tools, vehicles, 21 things like that. There is sharing agreements with 22 whatever prosecutor that prosecution, and then whatever 23 we do have normally ends up on GovDeals and gets 24 auctioned off and goes into the seizure account if it 25 can. 31 1 So far CID, Criminal Investigation, have 2 been assigned 911 cases out of the 7000 calls that 3 you've seen. 4 Under Warrants and Civil, we have received 5 1,142 civil papers for processing and service. That 6 covers subpoenas, lawsuits, divorces, all that kind of 7 stuff. We have served 1,126 of those, remember that's 8 only a two-man unit. 9 Warrants, we had received so far this budget 10 year 718 actual outstanding arrest warrants -- 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rusty, go back on the -- 12 do the Constables help on that service of those 13 warrants? 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZE: Some of us will assist 15 us on those, but they have a lot of stuff that comes out 16 of the J.P. Courts; this is not out of the J.P. Courts. 17 This is all what's come in the Sheriff's Office, or made 18 a way in from other counties asking for service for 19 somebody here. But they do a lot of their own service 20 for their court cases they have. See, like all 21 evictions, all that kind of stuff are handled by the 22 J.P.'s and the Constables, and they're not handled by 23 the Sheriff's Office. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Because I look at their 25 monthly reports, which I do, and you're doing -- you 32 1 have two guys doing how many you said, 12 hundred? 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, it's 1,142 so far 3 this budget year. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So that's 300 a month, 5 150 a month per employee. And I don't believe any of 6 our Constables are breaking 20. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: But they have their 8 statutory duties, and you can't require them to do it. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I know. Just an 10 observation. 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLER: Okay. Arrest warrants, 12 a total of 718 issued so far since October. On hand 13 right now we have 1830 active arrest warrants. Of those 14 250 are out of the 198th District Court, which means 15 they're felonies. 216th District Court has 349, which 16 means we have 599 felony arrest warrants outstanding, 17 okay? And misdemeanor arrests warrants, thanks to our 18 great County Attorney over there, I have 1231 19 outstanding misdemeanor warrants, okay? 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: No place to put those 21 people? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, can you imagine 23 the size of the jail if you put all those people in 24 jail. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You can't round them 33 1 up. You're probably not in a position anymore to do 2 round-up, are you? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Never have been. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: With the jail 5 population, you know, it just depends on -- 6 THE REPORTER: One at a time, please. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And now a lot of those 8 also you have to remember left the County. And so that 9 goes to our next stat, transports. So far since 10 October, we have done 110 transports, and it's 11 transporting 243 inmates, driven 33,594 miles, and spent 12 1045 doing those. That's the ones we did. 13 We also contracted with transport companies 14 six times because we just could not do it, and that was 15 a total round-trip mileage of 14,984 doing those 16 transport companies. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that a good way to 18 do it? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: On some of those you 20 have to, you know, that's just too much. You know, if 21 we fly to do them, okay, and now I'm going to have to 22 send two officers. If it's a female then you may have 23 to send three depending on the airline, and the cost 24 even go up higher than that, so sometimes it is, and we 25 look the each case. 34 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So the bottom line is 2 it cost effective to use the transport? 3 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: On certain ones, yes. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Not always. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You have to remember 6 once they waived extradition, we have ten days to get 7 them. If I've already got transports lined up, and I 8 got two guys that do transports, actually mainly one 9 guy, okay. Got one guy doing transports, and I've 10 already got the transports lined up, and I've got a ten 11 day limit to get this one from, you know, Washington 12 D.C. or wherever, I'm going to have to contract with a 13 transport company because I can't get the other one, we 14 can't schedule it in time to do it. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Percentage wise are 16 most of them within driving distance? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we drive 90 18 percent. We do a lot from out of state that we drive. 19 That's why you've already got -- now most of them are 20 going to be in-state because if they just went to 21 Houston or somewhere else, San Antonio or somewhere. 22 But so far just since October on a vehicle, I put over 23 33,000 miles. 24 All right, budget synopsis Sheriff's Office 25 budget. The original Sheriff's Office budget this year 35 1 was $6,308,089.00. So far to date we have spent 2 $2,216,529.00, and we have 64.86 percent of the budget 3 remaining. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: About right. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Okay? The jail, the 6 original budget in jail was $5,130,457.00. We have so 7 far spent $1,500,285.11, leaving us a current budget 8 remainder of 70.76 percent. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In that number is the 11 overage on the out-of-county inmates in there, or is 12 that -- 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. The revenue's not 14 in there at all. This is only our expenses. 15 Okay, Courthouse Security, original budget 16 was 277,335, and we have spent so far 108,133. We're 17 left at 61.01 percent, okay? Now, remember these 18 budgets do also include all salaries and things like 19 that. 20 The only other small budget I have is what's 21 called the Sheriff's Office Annex, that's the building 22 next to us out there, and it mainly just covers 23 telephone, utilities, annex maintenance, property 24 liability insurance, operating equipment, and capital 25 outlay. The total budget for that one was 21,600. 36 1 We've spent 4,850. I got 77.54 percent left in that 2 budget. Okay? 3 Employee list. Currently the Sheriff's 4 Office and Jail has a total budgeted position for 116 5 employees, and I do have several in the works right now 6 that are going through the psychological-physical part 7 to hire, but we are fully staffed on deputies, and I am 8 three down on jailers, and those three are already in 9 the hiring process. But I do have a couple jailers that 10 have already come to me that will be leaving within the 11 next month or two because they'd like to go through the 12 law enforcement academy. And the way our schedule 13 works, and that's something sometime in a workshop we 14 may talk about, but the way the schedules work in the 15 County is and not being able to build up a whole lot of 16 comp time and things like that, they pretty well have to 17 quit employment to go to through that academy, and then 18 they just kind of hope that we have an opening somewhere 19 if they want to come back. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How long is the 21 Academy? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right now it's over a 23 thousand hours, okay? 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So how many calendar 25 days? 37 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It's close to a year, I 2 couldn't tell you, depends. They could do it -- 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So almost a year. 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. What Kerrville 5 PD does, Kerrville PD will pay for their academy and put 6 them through it with a two-year commitment that they 7 work for the PD, okay? We don't have that type of 8 arrangement, you know, so we just try to do the best we 9 can with what we have. The only thing I won't do, I ran 10 an academy here because myself and several other people 11 are instructors, so we put on our own here one time 12 thinking this would help us all. Had five jailers go 13 through that academy, we ran it at night, you know, in 14 the evening hours and that. It lasted well over a year 15 to get it done, and after it was over, I didn't have the 16 openings and I lost five jailers. So I said that wasn't 17 a very smart move on my part county-wise, so we haven't 18 run another academy here. 19 All right, leave time. Just to give you 20 this is where we have a hard time with leave in the 21 Sheriff's Office part, I have total build up amongst all 22 the employees of 20,657 hours of sick leave, vacation is 23 6,697 hours of vacation, and 3018 hours of comp time. 24 This is build up that we owe the employees that's on the 25 books. 38 1 In the Jail, I have 8,967 hours of sick 2 leave, 4,062 hours of vacation, and 2,723 hours of comp. 3 Courthouse Security has 1,518 hours of sick 4 leave, 345 hours of vacation, and 107 hours of comp. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Rusty, under our policy, 6 how long do you have to use their comp time? 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The comp, they have 8 forever. They don't lose the comp; they lose the 9 vacation at the beginning of each budget year if you 10 don't have it down below 160, okay? And how much 11 overtime they spent that we ought to be paying, but we 12 don't, because the bad part was letting them build up 13 comp. If I have an employee that went to work ten years 14 ago, and he put in 500 hours of comp ten years ago, he 15 earned that comp at a certain pay. Ten years later, 16 we're paying a whole lot better. If he quit he's going 17 to get paid at today's rate of pay. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I thought we did a 19 policy several years ago to get all that comp time off 20 the books. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We've all tried, and 22 it's been encouraged, and at one time there was a suit, 23 I think, right before I took office, it was under the 24 previous Sheriff, where the County -- I think it was an 25 EEOC suit or Fair Labors, or whatever they had gotten 39 1 audited or something, at that time the County did pay 2 everybody for their comp and got it down. But over the 3 years now it gradually built back up. And when I'm 4 running an overtime budget with a total of 30 thousand 5 or whatever, okay, there is no way I can pay these 6 people for comp because what you're also putting in 7 there that they also get, is you give 13 holidays a 8 year. Half of my office is going to work on those 9 holidays, period, because we rotate shifts. I don't 10 have a choice. So out of those 13, and that's a 12-hour 11 shift, so now you take, you got 116 employees if you're 12 fully staffed, cut that in half, you got 58 employees 13 that are all going to put in at least 12 hours of comp 14 on that day, for each holiday. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that liability shown 16 anywhere in our budget as a liability? 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I know it's a 18 liability. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is it in there, the 20 comp time is? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. My question is 22 for -- Joy may not know this, but when someone quits, 23 what line item does that comp time come out of? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It comes out of my 25 overtime. 40 1 MRS. JOHNSON: It comes out of his overtime. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Which is zero when I'm 3 done. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm unclear on this. I 5 work a holiday, and the next pay period I don't get paid 6 for that, is that what you're saying? What am I 7 missing? 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You get paid for the 9 holiday, but you also got 12 hours comp. You don't get 10 that 12 hours as pay necessarily, okay? Because I don't 11 have a big enough budget to do it. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You don't have the 13 money. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. I get about a 15 $30,000.00 budget for comp, okay, for the Sheriff's 16 Office; not the jail. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But if he could afford 18 they could take off the next week using comp time. 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And I don't have the 20 manpower for that. We try and make them burn the comp. 21 We try and, you know, do what we can to do that, but the 22 Sheriff's Office overtime budget is 45 thousand, okay? 23 When you compare that with my department, which is 24 bigger than the City of Kerrville Police Department, and 25 their overtime budget is close to 150,000. We've never 41 1 budgeted that kind of overtime. If you give me 150,000 2 budget in overtime, I can get your comp down to zero. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Bring that up during the 4 budget process. I wish the Judge was here to hear that. 5 Because we're kicking the can down the road and paying 6 them with higher dollars all the time. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: That's exactly what 8 we're doing. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So basically these 10 folks are willing to live with this thinking of it as a 11 bump at retirement or what? 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. They don't have a 13 choice. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm saying, you don't 15 have the money, and you're telling them that. We're 16 actually telling County employees for what you just did 17 you're not going to get paid for it today, but someday 18 you'll get your reward. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Or they can take time 20 off. 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. 22 THE REPORTER: Excuse me, one at a time, 23 please. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Time off, you do try 25 and work it out where they can get time off. And that's 42 1 where you have another problem when you're working 2 12-hour shifts. If you work 12-hour shifts most 3 officers work 13 days a month, okay? Now, if you got an 4 officer that's been there over 15 years, which a lot of 5 them have, thank goodness, we have good officers, they 6 get four weeks /SRAEU situation, all right, so that's 20 7 days a year they get, okay, of vacation, okay? And now 8 they have at least 13 holidays, or 6 holidays that's on 9 top of that, all right, so that's 26 days that you need 10 to try and give help off when they're only working 13 11 days a month. That makes it a nightmare. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: They're working 13 days 13 a month -- 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Because they're working 15 12-hour shifts. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And that's all legally 17 that you can have them do. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And that's actually 19 four hours over. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And that's comp time? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Uh-huh. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Every time somebody 23 works a 13-hour month -- I mean a 13-day month, they end 24 up with four hours of comp time at the end of that month 25 for every employee. 43 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only thing we do do 2 if we have at least four working, and I got one on a 3 four-hour day, then we'll give them that four-hour day 4 off, so he's not going it as comp; he's taking it off 5 right then. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Who handles all that, 7 Sylvia. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: In the jail Sylvia 9 does. And on patrol it's Captain Scott Prout does and, 10 you know, each Sergeant also has responsibility, and 11 then over in CID it's Carol Twiss. And then my Hu man 12 Resource Personnel Clerk is the one that has to review 13 it all, and now it's all done on InCode which goes into 14 the HR Department here, and it's all tracked that way. 15 All right. Now, last thing is vehicles. In 16 the kind of administrative area, you know, along those 17 type of vehicles, we have 17 vehicles. Of those, ten of 18 them have over a hundred thousand miles. The highest 19 one is 190,000 miles on that vehicle. In the jail, I 20 have four vehicles, one of those is over a hundred 21 thousand miles at 115,580. In transport -- transports, 22 warrants and civil, I have six vehicles. Five of those 23 over a hundred thousand miles. My main transport 24 vehicle now has 201,454. In patrol, I have 25 vehicles. 25 Seven of those over a hundred thousand miles, with the 44 1 highest one of 126,000. Okay, so our vehicles have a 2 lot of high mileage, and a lot of those -- you know, the 3 transport, we're going to have to do something with that 4 pretty quick. 201,000 is a lot of miles, but when it's 5 straight highway miles it really hasn't been as hard on 6 that vehicle as a lot of them, that's why we've been 7 able to keep it going. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Now you got eight new 9 patrol cars, right? 10 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I got six coming that 11 are not here yet. 12 All right, projects -- the last thing we 13 have in projects we still have going right now is the 14 six new patrol vehicles that were ordered October 1. I 15 do not know the delivery date on them. A lot of times 16 it may be April or so before we get them, I don't know. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And they had hail 18 damage and it pushed them back? 19 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. We got those. 20 These are the six in this coming budget -- or this 21 budget we're in now. 22 We should have ground breaking on the 23 fitness center any day. They've been out and marked a 24 lot of that. KPUB's getting to put in other electricity 25 and get it done. 45 1 Smart Communications on the paperless inmate 2 mail that we approved two months ago is under way and 3 the installation -- it's not off and running yet, but 4 they are starting installation of that project. 5 Establishing the Sheriff's Office as a 6 fingerprint center is being looked at. I gave the 7 County Attorney a possible contract. What that is real 8 quick, is anybody that gets most jobs nowadays, whether 9 it's a counselor, whether it's a teacher, whether it's 10 CPS, any of my employees, any jailers, anybody like that 11 has to be fingerprinted, okay, before they can be 12 employed, okay? That's done through DPS. Well, used to 13 we just did it in print at the Sheriff's Office. Well, 14 they quit that now and they contract with a private 15 facility that handles it. Jack Burch did it for a 16 while. This also covers any of your gun license people, 17 anything like that. Jack Burch covered it for awhile 18 out at the range, and then he got out of it. And then 19 there was place up here by the stadium that was doing it 20 until one of their people got arrested, and now that got 21 closed down, too. So there is no place for the last 22 employee that I tried and went to hire, had to actually 23 had to go to San Antonio to get fingerprinted to be able 24 to go to work for me, okay? I think that's wrong. So I 25 contacted that company that does it statewide for DPS. 46 1 They would love for us to be one of their stations 2 since they do not have one in Kerrville anymore. We are 3 looking at the contracts on it. It's more of a -- I 4 don't hire all that many, but it is a lot quicker for us 5 to be able to do that, because what happens is if a 6 person needing a fingerprint has to call in and get a 7 schedule, get an appointment made, you know, your 8 agency, whoever's issued certain documents and then we 9 get billed later. But if we were to do it, they would 10 pay us anywhere from $3.00, $3.50 to fingerprint per 11 person to be able to do that. And we have the 12 capability and just to do it as a public service and 13 make it quicker. We're looking at doing that. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Who all would use the 15 service? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Any teachers, anybody 17 that has to have fingerprints. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Concealed weapon. 19 MRS. STEBBINS: I asked a good question last 20 week when Rusty and I were visiting, how many did Burch 21 do in a year? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I forget what he said. 23 He had it scheduled where they were only doing it two 24 days a week, and his daughter was doing most of it 25 because it's all digital. And sometimes it was from 8 47 1 to 5 the whole day they were doing it. The other times, 2 she may sit around a few hours and get them scheduled, 3 okay? And I did call that company and ask what their 4 average was in Kerr County, and I'll be honest, I forgot 5 what it was. It wasn't as bad as what I thought it was. 6 It was like 800 a year or something. 7 MRS. STEBBINS: That's what you told me last 8 week. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: It wasn't terrible. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: If they were set up 11 here, would they draw from surrounding counties or -- 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They could, because 13 they've divided the state up into areas and that's where 14 you have to go. It's kind of like -- you know, I got a 15 deputy that his prior employment has been a deputy up in 16 Dumas, and he's fixing to start. So even though he's 17 already a deputy, I have to have him fingerprinted, 18 okay? And he can't be fingerprinted in the one at 19 Dumas, we don't have one here, so he was having to set 20 up a different day to go to San Antonio to be 21 fingerprinted at San Antonio before he come here for the 22 final paperwork to be done down here, and it was 23 different days, and it's chaos. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It would be a good 25 service. Having to go to San Antonio is just a pain 48 1 just in itself. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: So we are looking at 3 trying to do that and see if we can help citizens with 4 that, and break even. That's project four. 5 Project number five is what we'll talk about 6 in a little bit in the workshop about the magistrate 7 bill. 8 Number six is the development of a 9 professional search and rescue team by Dub with 10 Emergency Management. That is under way. I don't know 11 if you've heard about it where we will actually have 12 people professionally trained. We have a guy that ran 13 it for Comal County that has now retired here and just 14 wants to run it for us under a volunteer deal, which I 15 think is great. He's got all the training in the world, 16 so we're working on that. 17 We're doing the last advance training on our 18 ongoing program for my drone pilots. I have two 19 certified pilots that are drone operators. It is a FFA 20 certification that they have to have. And we're going 21 through that to kick off to where we can use drones also 22 for search and rescue mainly, flooding events, things 23 like that. 24 The computer-aided dispatch, our CAD system, 25 is a major upgrade that y'all approved in this last 49 1 budget. That has now started as of two weeks ago. It'll 2 be the end of May or June before it's complete. It will 3 change how everything's entered into our computer system 4 in CAD, and it is a major project, just kind of like 5 before the County had Odyssey and then went to Odyssey, 6 that's the same exact thing we're having to go through 7 with everything we have in dispatch, and our dispatch 8 employees being trained for it, it's a big system. 9 Courthouse panic system. I've told one 10 Commissioner this. I was told by Guardian the other 11 day, it is at the end of it's life. We have issues, 12 there are no parts, nothing can be done. It will have 13 to be replaced. I do have a bid of replacing the entire 14 courthouse system and giving us more panic buttons of 15 $25,000.00, and we just have to look at it. I don't 16 know how that's going to go through, or where, or if we 17 make it until budget time. But that is a system that's 18 going to have to be done. 19 And then the last thing is we have the 20 training deal for new courthouse employees. Jonathan's 21 part of that, the County Attorney's part of that, and 22 myself, and we have developed a courthouse emergency 23 plan that will also go along with that, and that will 24 come to y'all for approval. 25 So we currently have those ten projects in 50 1 the works. Anything else? That's my report. All it 2 takes is money. Give me lots. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Item 2.3 -- I think 4 we're about done. 2.3 reports regarding boards, 5 commissions, committees? I don't have anything. 6 2.4 update on East Kerr County/Center Point 7 Wastewater Project. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Things are going. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's going. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is Brinks Crossing 11 still closed? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 14 And with that being said, the Special 15 Meeting is closed. 16 * * * * * * 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 51 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County, do hereby certify that 6 the above and foregoing pages contain and comprise a 7 true and correct transcription of the proceedings had in 8 the above-entitled Commissioners' Court. 9 Dated this the 5th day of March, A.D. 2019. 10 11 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 No. 953 Expiration Date 04/31/2020 13 * * * * * * 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25