1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, April 8, 2019 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: ROB KELLY, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Precinct 1 24 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Precinct 3 DON HARRIS, Commissioner Precinct 4 25 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Visitor's Input. 5 4 *** Commissioner's Comments. 6 5 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 10 action to approve Trey Atkission as a 6 member of the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board. Ed Livermore is leaving 7 the Board on June 1, 2019. 8 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 15 action for the Court to approve a concept 9 plan for Twin Arrows. 10 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 18 action for the Court to set a public 11 hearing for 9:05 a.m. on May 13th, 2019 for a revision of plat for Spicer Ranch 12 No. 3, Lot 161A, Plat File #16-01563. 13 1.4 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 19 action for the Court to set a public 14 hearing for 9:10 a.m. on May 13th, 2019 for a revision of plat for Hidden Hills 15 Two, Lots 29 and 30, Volume 7, Page 177. 16 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 21 action on request to approve a 2019 Soil & 17 Water Stewardship Week Proclamation. 18 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 24 action to appoint Jack Clarke to the 19 Emergency Services District #2 Board for a two-year term. 20 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 21 action to renew ACA Reporting and Tracking Service (ARTS) Program Agreement between 22 Texas Association of Counties and Kerr County, and have County Judge sign the same. 23 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 26 24 action to accept proposals for vending machine services in various county facilities. 25 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 28 action to raise Kerr County Animal Services 4 adoption fees by $5.00 so microchipping can become standard on adoption of animals. 5 1.10 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 36 6 action to accept donations for the month of March, 2019 as listed in the Kerr County 7 Animal Services donation log. 8 1.11 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 37 action to approve the Interlocal Agreement 9 between Kerr County and Edwards County for Jail Services, and allow County Judge to 10 sign same. 11 1.12 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 39 action to appoint a member of Commissioners' 12 Court, or designate a person to perform investigation under section 751.005 of the 13 Texas Health and Safety Code for the purpose of determining if the minimum standards for 14 ensuring public safety and order as prescribed by law will be maintained under 15 the application for permit for mass gathering by the Kerrville Folk Festival Foundation. 16 1.21 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 41 17 action regarding 2019 Memorial Day Event. 18 1.13 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 46 action to accept bid proposals for an 19 appraisal of the Kerr County Juvenile Detention Facility buildings. 20 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 56 21 action to accept proposals for vending machine services in various county facilities. 22 1.14 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 58 23 action to ratify and confirm TAC (Texas Association of Counties) Property Renewal 24 Questionnaire for property insurance coverage. 25 4 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.15 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 59 action to accept the Kerr County Bail 4 Bond Board as an official Board of Kerr County pursuant to OC 1704. 5 1.16 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 65 6 action regarding time sheet approval process. 7 1.17 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 76 8 action to authorize County Judge or other designees to sign agreements and all other 9 instruments related to authorizing the issuance, sale and delivery of $2,105,000.00 10 in aggregate principal amount of Kerr County, Texas Combination Tax and Surplus Revenue 11 Certificates of Obligation, Series 2019 for the Center Point/East Kerr County Wastewater 12 System Project, and Grant Agreement with Texas Water Development Board in the amount of 13 $11,270,000.00. 14 1.19 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 79 action to hire a Public Relations Officer. 15 1.20 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 83 16 action on consultation with attorney regarding subdivision rules and enforcement. 17 4.4 Court Orders. 88 18 *** Adjournment. 89 19 *** Reporter's Certificate. 90 20 * * * * * * 21 22 23 24 25 5 1 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, today is Monday, April 2 the 8th, 2019, a couple minutes after 9 o'clock and the 3 Kerr County Commissioners' Court is now in session. I 4 believe Commissioner Harris has our invocation and 5 Pledge of Allegiance. If you would please stand. 6 (Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.) 7 JUDGE KELLY: Please be seated. The first 8 item on the agenda today is our visitor's input. I do 9 have a public participation notice here, Mr. Edwards. 10 Before you approach, Mr. Edwards, I want to make sure 11 that -- you certainly are welcome to talk to us. If 12 it's an item that is on the agenda we do request that 13 the comments be reserved for the time the item's called 14 on the agenda. If this is something that is not on the 15 agenda please come forward and address the Court. If 16 you would please state your name and your address. 17 MR. EDWARDS: My name is Kenneth Edwards, I 18 live at 1400 FM 479, Harper, Texas. I am a board member 19 of Kerr County Emergency Services District Number 2, and 20 I'm here for a non-agenda item and I'm looking for leave 21 in the future for a future meeting if y'all could 22 discuss that in the future, or when y'all meet again. 23 This came up since our last meeting on March the 14th. 24 I have been informed by a member of ESD #1 that the 25 County Auditor position is vacant and that they had been 6 1 told in ESD #1 that they would have to hire an outside 2 auditor to do their audit. I've asked a couple people 3 to suggest auditors and I haven't heard back from them, 4 including the person from ESD #1. If we have to hire an 5 outside auditor, we're going to have to pay for it. 6 This was done by the Kerr County Auditor before. Our 7 money is tax money. It is collected to help the 8 firemen. If we have to spend it for an auditor the 9 firemen don't get it. If the County Auditor's position 10 is vacant, who's doing the county audit? Because it 11 would appear to me that to have an outside Auditor do 12 the county's audit would cost more than the salary of 13 the County Auditor. So I'm looking for if you're the 14 entity that does this, to discuss it or put it on the 15 agenda for a future meeting, that it would be a meeting 16 that would be fairly soon, the audit's due by the first 17 of June, and the first I heard of this was since our 18 last meeting. So our Board hasn't been able to act on 19 this either. In fact there's three other members that 20 don't even know that this situation has come up, because 21 we can't discuss it or talk about it until we get to our 22 meeting this Thursday. So with anything that y'all can 23 do at a future meeting, we would appreciate it, because 24 I can't see using taxpayer money to pay an outside 25 vendor, if you will, to do something that our County 7 1 Auditor, if that position was filled, would take care 2 of. Do y'all have any questions for me? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't. But I have a 4 comment. I want to make a public comment or a 5 comment -- 6 JUDGE KELLY: We're not authorized to make a 7 comment in response to your input, although we're about 8 to go into a public part of the meeting where various 9 Commissioners can respond. So if you would be patient, 10 I think there are responses that do want to be addressed 11 to you. So if you would just please have a seat we'll 12 just go on to the next part. 13 MR. EDWARDS: I appreciate y'all recognizing 14 me. 15 JUDGE KELLY: And know that you have been 16 heard. 17 MR. EDWARDS: Thank you, Sir. 18 JUDGE KELLY: The next item on the agenda is 19 the Commissioners' comments. Let me open the door for 20 that. Usually what we do is report on what's going on 21 in our various precincts in our county as a whole. But 22 anyone that wants to respond to Mr. Edwards feel free to 23 do so. Customarily we start with Commissioner Precinct 24 1, but I'm going to flip it around and start with 25 Precinct 4 and give him a chance to go first. 8 1 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Great. Hunt Volunteer 2 Fire Department had a great fund raiser on Saturday. It 3 was a good meal and fun time. And I think they did very 4 well in raising funds they needed. 5 And in response to Mr. Edwards, thank you 6 Mr. Edwards for coming in. This is something that we've 7 been dealing with as you know with ESD #1. And as I 8 stated to you that we found a much more economical way 9 of doing it through one person in town. But I 10 understand your concerns. And anything else you have to 11 spend takes away from basically your cost funding the 12 fire department, so that's something we're going to to 13 look into. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I visited last week with 15 our District Judges -- or one of our District Judges 16 who's the person that hires the Auditor, or they hire 17 the Auditor; not the Court, and expressed my hopes to 18 them that they hire an Auditor with a CPA, because only 19 a CPA can do outside audits, and we do not have another 20 CPA in the Auditor's Office, even though we do have an 21 Interim Auditor. So hopefully the District Judges, they 22 understand the need and that they're able to hire a CPA 23 for the County Auditor, then that person will be able to 24 do outside audits, but currently we cannot under our 25 County Rules. 9 1 JUDGE KELLY: And to follow up on that, I 2 found it necessary recently to try to give a little 3 primers one-on-one on county government. A lot of 4 people don't understand exactly how we operate, and what 5 we can and can't do. One of which is we don't hire the 6 County Auditor as Commissioner Letz said. County 7 Auditor is hired by the district courts to oversee the 8 County's budget and to oversee the County's 9 expenditures. It's a check and a balance, so that the 10 district courts are in charge of what the County does so 11 that we don't run afoul somehow. That is the system as 12 it pertains to the ESD's. 13 Secondly, with regard to Commissioner Letz's 14 comment, our past Auditor was a CPA, and in fact was the 15 only CPA we've had in recent history, and did an 16 outstanding job, and will sorely be missed, but 17 nonetheless it takes a certified public accountant to be 18 able to have independent audits for other customers, 19 other clients, and right now we do not have a CPA in 20 that office as Commissioner Letz pointed out. I want 21 the Commissioners give us, we don't know. We don't know 22 what's coming. We do know that they conducted 23 interviews recently. We don't know where those 24 interviews have gone. We are an waiting with baited 25 breath to see how they want us to be audited and 10 1 monitored in our budgetary and expenditure process, so 2 we are sympathetic. There's a limited amount that we 3 can do at this point. Let's wait and see what they do 4 for us. 5 Mr. Belew. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: My comment pertains to 7 our Volunteer Fire Department, too, but it's a Turtle 8 Creek. One of our fire fighters has been battling 9 cancer and he's lost his hair, which means a lot of 10 people are going to shave there's off and it happens 11 tonight. Any of you need a haircut come by there 12 tonight at Turtle Creek Volunteer Fire Department. 13 They'll set it on number 1, about that much, and we'll 14 trim you down real good in solidarity of Scott until he 15 gets better. 16 And the other comment I have is I only got 17 an half inch of rain out of this rain over the weekend, 18 so I'm paying the wrong preacher. Congratulations to 19 the rest of you who got more. An inch and a half over 20 in Precinct 3. 21 JUDGE KELLY: Well, we didn't get that. 22 Okay, with that we're going to go ahead and 23 begin the consideration agenda. I'm going to call item 24 1.1, which is to consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 action to approve Trey Atkission as a member of the 11 1 Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board. Mr. 2 Livermore, I know you're here is -- 3 MR. LIVERMORE: Yes, Sir. 4 JUDGE KELLY: -- leaving the board on June 5 1, and I think you come to recommend your replacement so 6 if you would, the floor is yours. 7 MR. LIVERMORE: Thank you, Sir. I'm here 8 today to nominate, to forward the nomination, of Trey 9 Attkission, a person much of our community who many of 10 us know. He has, by his own words, he was an airport 11 bum as a kid, he grew up at the airport. He flies 12 multiple aircraft now that the family business operates. 13 He is a rising businessman in our community. I think 14 he's the kind of person that we want on the Airport 15 Board, extremely experienced in aviation, and a strong 16 businessman. 17 Anyway, I'd like to introduce Mr. Atkission, 18 and I commend him for your approval. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Trey. 20 MR. ATKISSION: Yes, Sir. 21 JUDGE KELLY: And I do note that it is 22 Atkission. 23 MR. ATKISSION: Yes, Sir. 24 JUDGE KELLY: Your father taught me that 25 many years ago. If you'd like to address the Court, 12 1 please feel to do so. 2 MR. ATKISSION: Well, thank you for your 3 consideration. For me, I view this as an opportunity to 4 give back to a community that has served me and served 5 my family very, very well. I think that the airport is 6 vital and important to our community, and the economy, 7 and I look forward to the opportunity. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. And for those of 9 you that don't know Mary Rohrer, please stand up over 10 here. This is our Executive Director over at the 11 airport who does a very fine job -- 12 MRS. ROHRER: Thank you. 13 JUDGE KELLY: -- and who we're exceedingly 14 proud. And for those of you that do not know, the 15 Airport Board has been going through a series of 16 workshops, and they invited me to come listen to these 17 workshops. Heretofore I've had little to nothing to do 18 with the Airport Board, so I started off with absolutely 19 green feet, I knew nothing about really what they were 20 doing other than we had an airport and that was kind of 21 a nice thing to have in this community. And one of the 22 things that I've learned along with Commissioner Letz, 23 and Commissioner Moser who's not here today, who y'all 24 sat on that Board, is that this is probably one of the 25 most unknown and unsung economic development heroes in 13 1 this community. And for those of you that have not 2 heard the message, hear it today, the Airport Board 3 generates an incredible amount of revenue for this 4 county. In fact -- I can't remember the numbers off the 5 top of my head. You may remember them, Ed? 6 MR. LIVERMORE: We have a lot of indirect 7 revenue as well as direct revenue. The budget of our 8 Board is roughly a little over $400,000.00 to operate 9 the airport each year and we are break even at this 10 point, and as you know we weren't always. But the 11 economic benefit of our airport is profound, 12 particularly in the real estate area and other business 13 areas. You can stand at the airport any day and watch 14 planes come in and out with business people that are 15 here to do something in Kerr County, and that's what we 16 all want. 17 JUDGE KELLY: And we have a very unique 18 airport, uniquely situated and uniquely outfitted with a 19 tremendous opportunity for growth. And I know that in 20 the future the Airport Board as they develop their plans 21 will be back talking to us about other ways that the 22 Airport Board and the Airport itself contributes to this 23 community. 24 So hats off to your services, Ed, and glad 25 to have your hat on, Trey, so welcome a board. Thanks, 14 1 Mary. 2 MR. LIVERMORE: If I may, Sir, I'd like to 3 just say I've been on the Board 8 years. I have had 4 wonderful support from Kerr County. Jonathan, Tom 5 Moser, I think are at every meeting, or practically 6 every meeting. They're counselors, even though we're an 7 independent board they -- we ask for counsel and advice, 8 they give us good advice. I called you just the other 9 day, you took my call immediately and gave me some -- a 10 really positive response that I needed at that time, and 11 relating to the airport. And I just want to thank the 12 Commission, thank Kerr County for their support over the 13 last 8 years, it's been wonderful. 14 JUDGE KELLY: It's been a very successful 15 partnership. Thank you. And welcome aboard, Trey. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 17 approve Trey Atkission as the new member of the 18 Kerrville-Kerr County Airport Board. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Letz has moved 21 and Commissioner Belew has seconded that we accept the 22 nomination of Trey Atkission as a member of the 23 Kerrville/Kerr County Joint Airport Board. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I want to make a brief 25 comment. I want to thank Ed for his 8 years of service. 15 1 He started when it was a little bit rocky out there, and 2 he was a very even-keeled person, did a great service to 3 the community. And thank you, Ed, for all you've done. 4 MR. LIVERMORE: Appreciate it. Been fun. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, those in favor raise 6 your hand. Unanimous, four zero. You are now legal. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You're half legal 8 anyway. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Good luck with the City. 10 Item 1.2 consider, discuss and take 11 appropriate action for the Court to approve a concept 12 plan for Twin Arrows, Precinct 2. Charlie Hastings. 13 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. This subdivision 14 proposals 9 lots, and an extension of Westwind Drive in 15 Center Point. The proposed total acres is five acres. 16 They're proposing the 9 lots. Our maximum number of 17 allowable residential lots is three. These would be 18 residential lots. He's proposing 9. However, our 19 subdivision regulations have an allowance for smaller 20 lot sizes may be granted if connecting to a centralized 21 water and sewer system, which he plans on doing. As you 22 well know the East Kerr County/Center Point Wastewater 23 Project is well under way, and there will be sewer 24 extended right in front of these lots, so it'll be 25 available. He can extend some of it where he plans on 16 1 extending a road. His access to three lots will be from 2 Tallwood Drive, and then access to the other six lots 3 will be from the proposed Westwind Drive extension. 4 Mr. Graczyk is here if you have any 5 questions for him. He didn't submit a great big huge 6 set of plans, just a nice 8 and a half by 11 is in your 7 packet if you want to see what it looks like. And I 8 recommend that you approve his concept plan so he can 9 move forward with a plat. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Belew has moved, 13 and Commissioner Letz has seconded approval of the plat 14 plan -- 15 MR. HASTINGS: May I add one more thing? 16 Commissioner Moser explicitly said make sure they 17 understand that it's in my Precinct, and that I approve 18 of this. He supports it fully. I meant to mention 19 that. I apologize for the delay. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Any further discussion? 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll make a comment. 22 This is the first subdivision that we've had come 23 through when we had centralized sewer, and I suspect we 24 get more of these. This was delayed quite a bit while 25 Charlie looked on drainage and kind of what our minimum 17 1 lot size should be, and this meets the requirements 2 that will be proposed in our new rules. Our current 3 rules are really silent on that, because we just never 4 have had one, or never had the opportunity to have one. 5 But that was taken into consideration in this and 6 Charlie's looked into that. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: With central sewer, 8 what is the minimum? Do we have -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't have one really 10 in our rules right now. But I think we recommend it to 11 be a third of an acre. 12 MR. HASTINGS: Right. And right now we can 13 go as low as a quarter of an acre, but that's going to 14 be too small for drainage, so we are going to recommend 15 a third. He doesn't have anything less than a third of 16 an acre here. He's got .35 is his smallest lot, so he's 17 right in line, and he worked with us great on trying to 18 come up with some kind of a concept that would work in 19 our subdivision regulations at the appropriate time when 20 those get adopted. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If you go to a quarter 22 acre the engineering opinion was we probably need to go 23 to curb and gutter, and the Road and Bridge Department 24 was very much opposed to that, as was everybody else, 25 you know. We don't want that. So if we're going to 18 1 keep, you know, kind of bar ditches the way we have it, 2 a third of an acre seems reasonable for topography. 3 That's it. 4 JUDGE KELLY: Any other discussion? Those 5 in favor raise your hand. Four zero, unanimous. Thank 6 you, Charlie. 7 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Don't leave. 9 MR. GRACZYK: Thank y'all. 10 JUDGE KELLY: Before you leave introduce 11 yourself. 12 MR. GRACZYK: I am Edward Graczyk. I'm the 13 one he's talking about. I live at 317 Tallwood Drive, 14 and I'm the one proposing the subdivision for the 15 five-acre plot. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Good luck. 17 Next item is 1.3 consider, discuss and take 18 appropriate action for the Court to set a public hearing 19 for 9:05 a.m. on May 13th, 2019 for a revision of plat 20 for Spicer Ranch No. 3, Lot 161A. Charlie. 21 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. Owner-developer, 22 Jake Masor, proposed total acreage 5.02 acres. Proposed 23 number of lots two. Maximum number allowable is two. 24 The smallest lot size is 1.13 acres. Our minimum lot 25 size is one. Everything's checking out good so far. 19 1 He's on a public water system. Will be on a septic 2 system for both lots. He's not in the floodplain. 3 There's no proposed roads. This is very simple -- what 4 he wants to do is this proposed revision of plat divides 5 Lot 161A, which is 5.02 acres into two lots, Lot 161-A1, 6 3.89 acres with access on Mark Drive, and lot 161-A2, 7 1.13 acres with access on Pal Drive. This is one of 8 those lots that's situated where he's got access on two 9 different roads, it makes sense to split it. 10 County Engineer requests the Court set a 11 public hearing for 9:05 a.m. on May 13th, 2019 for a 12 revision of plat for Spicer Ranch No. 3, Lots 161A, Plat 13 File #16-01563, Precinct 1. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move for approval. 15 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Belew has moved 17 for approval, seconded by Commissioner Harris. Is there 18 any other discussion about this request? Okay then 19 those in favor raise your hand. Opposed? Unanimous, 20 four zero. 21 Don't leave, Charlie. We've got you here 22 awhile. 23 MR. HASTINGS: I'm here. 24 JUDGE KELLY: Item 1.4 consider, discuss and 25 take appropriate action for the Court to set a public 20 1 hearing for 9:10 a.m. on May 13th, 2019 for a revision 2 of plat for Hidden Hills Two, Lots 29 and 30. 3 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. The 4 owner-developer is Louis Howard. Proposed total acreage 5 is 147.33. The proposed number of lots is two. The 6 maximum number of lots allowable is a lot more than two, 7 put it that way. The smallest lot size is going to be 8 67.33 acres. Our minimum is greater than five. So you 9 can do the math, could have put a lot of lots out there 10 if he'd have wanted to. This is on a private well. Be 11 a septic system. He's out of the floodplain, and no 12 proposed roads. This proposed revision of plat changes 13 the lot line between Lot 29. It's currently 73.52 14 acres, and Lot 30 is currently 73.81 acres, creating Lot 15 29R, 67.33 acres, and Lot 30R, 80 acres. Access to both 16 lots will be on Hidden Hills Ranch Road. We're changing 17 a lot line between two really big lots, is what we're 18 doing. 19 County Engineer requests the Court set a 20 public hearing for 9:10 a.m. on May 13, 2019 for a 21 revision of plat for Hidden Hills Two, Lots 29 and 30, 22 Volume 7, Page 177, Precinct 2. This is necessary that 23 we go through this process. This is a plat that's on 24 file with the Court, you're going to make changes, lot 25 line changes. Even if they're minor, you go through 21 1 this process. They're doing this. And I recommend that 2 you -- we set that public hearing on that date and time. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Charlie, it sounded 4 like you're talking about a community well, is that what 5 you meant? 6 MR. HASTINGS: No. These are private wells. 7 Each lot will have its own private well. I apologize. 8 They'll be two lots and they both will still be on their 9 private wells. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 12 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 13 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Letz has moved 14 and Commissioner Belew has seconded for approval for a 15 public hearing on May the 13th. Is there any more 16 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. It passes 17 unanimous, four zero. Thank you, Charlie. 18 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. 19 JUDGE KELLY: 1.5 consider, discuss and take 20 appropriate action on request to approve a 2019 Soil & 21 Water Stewardship Week Proclamation. Jack Clarke. 22 MR. CLARKE: Good morning, gentlemen. We 23 have several programs going year round, but this is a 24 week that is designated statewide, I believe, and we 25 would like for the Commissioners to honor that 22 1 Proclamation. I have it here. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You want to read it 3 into the record? Is it long? 4 MR. CLARKE: No. 5 JUDGE KELLY: You have glasses? 6 MR. CLARKE: How did you guess? 7 JUDGE KELLY: Oh, yeah that's not long at 8 all. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Would you like for me to read 10 it? 11 MR. CLARKE: Please. 12 JUDGE KELLY: 2019 Soil & Water Stewardship 13 Week Proclamation. Whereas, fertile soil and clean 14 water provide us with our daily sustenance, and 15 Whereas, effective conservation practices 16 have helped provide us a rich standard of living, and 17 Whereas, our security depends upon healthy 18 soil and clean water, and 19 Whereas, stewardship calls for each person 20 to help conserve these precious resources. 21 Therefore, I to hereby proclaim April 28th 22 to May 5th, 2019 Soil and Water Stewardship Week. 23 And I take it this is something you'd like 24 for the Court to sign? 25 MR. CLARKE: Please. 23 1 JUDGE KELLY: And I guess as the County 2 Judge on behalf of the Court I will sign this? 3 MR. CLARKE: Yes. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 5 approve the Proclamation and authorize the County Judge 6 to sign. 7 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Been moved by Commissioner 9 Letz and seconded by Commissioner Harris that we approve 10 the Proclamation, and then I sign it. Those in favor 11 raise your hand. Unanimous, four zero. 12 MR. CLARKE: Thank you a lot. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is that all there is to 14 it, Jody? 15 MRS. GRINSTEAD: As far as I know. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Jack can leave with 17 that and then we're done? 18 MRS. GRINSTEAD: No. I've got to get a copy 19 of it. 20 MR. CLARKE: I think Irene wants to get a 21 picture of the Proclamation. 22 JUDGE KELLY: I put March instead of April, 23 so I had to scratch through it. 24 MR. CLARKE: Thank you, guys. Am I still up? 25 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yep. 24 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: He got an inch and a 2 half of rain, and he gets his picture in the paper 3 and -- 4 MR. CLARKE: No, no inch and a half. I 5 didn't even get the half that you got. 6 JUDGE KELLY: Anything else? 7 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yeah, he's up next. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Then we'll call item 9 1.6 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to 10 appoint Jack Clarke to the Emergency Services District 11 #2 Board for a two-year term. Commissioner Harris. 12 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: This will bring ESD #2 13 up to full manpower. We put Butch Mizen(phonetic) on 14 there last month, and now we'll get Mr. Clark in there, 15 and they'll be at full strength to run and operate. 16 So I move that we appoint Jack Clarke to the 17 Emergency Services District #2 Board for a two-year 18 term. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, it's been moved by 21 Commissioner Harris, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 22 approve the appointment of Jack Clarke to the Emergency 23 Services District Board #2. Those in favor raise your 24 hand. Opposed? Unanimous, four zero. 25 MR. CLARKE: Thank you. I appreciate 25 1 y'all taking time. Try to do my best job. Thank you. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Thanks for coming. 3 Item 1.7 consider, discuss and take 4 appropriate action to renew ACA Reporting and Tracking 5 Service (ARTS) Program Agreement between Texas 6 Association of Counties and Kerr County, and have County 7 Judge sign the same. Miss Doss. 8 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: Good morning, 9 gentlemen. This is an agreement we have with TAC to 10 prepare the ARTS tax filing. It's a 1095B and C, 11 basically just saying that we offer employees insurance. 12 The employees do not have to file this tax form with 13 their taxes, but it's something that has been mandated 14 that we prepare for them. So until such time that that 15 goes away, we need to supply them. It's just a renewal, 16 we do it every year. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move for approval. 18 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Been moved by Commissioner 20 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris that we approve 21 this. I did inquire of Miss Doss this morning and this 22 is merely a reporting of data on the value of the 23 benefits that we provide for our employees and their 24 families with regard to their insurance. 25 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: Yes. 26 1 JUDGE KELLY: And it's just an objective 2 data reporting that we contract with ARTS -- 3 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: With Texas Association 4 of Counties. 5 JUDGE KELLY: And for those of you that are 6 unfamiliar with these forms, 1095B and C, join the club, 7 I was, too. But this is something we just have to do. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Part of ObamaCare. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Or what's left of ObamaCare, 10 let's put it that way. Or the Affordable Care Act, let 11 me say it technically correct. 12 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: Do you have a copy that 13 was attached to sign? I mean I attached a copy, but -- 14 JUDGE KELLY: Put it under tab 7, I'll have 15 to find it. 16 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: If you can't, here's 17 another copy. 18 JUDGE KELLY: I'll get to that. 19 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: All right, thank you. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, those in favor raise 21 your hand. Unanimous, four zero. 22 Next item on the agenda is 1.8, and we are 23 right on time, 9:30. Consider, discuss and take 24 appropriate action to accept proposals for vending 25 machine services in various county facilities. 27 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think my wording on 2 this might confuse some people in the public. By intent 3 was not to accept proposals because one we received 4 awhile back, and we received another one. My intent was 5 really to have a process as to how we're going to handle 6 vending machines in the county business -- or building. 7 I don't -- it's not worth going out for formal 8 proposals. I think we just kind of post it where we 9 can. Helpfully the press will put it out there that 10 anybody that's interested in providing vending machine 11 services to the county, that they submit it to us, and 12 we'll make a decision based on those proposals. 13 And I would suggest that we maybe the second 14 meeting of this month we put it back on the agenda to 15 make a decision on those. That's just my opinion. 16 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yeah. I think we need 17 some proposals, I know I looked at one proposal this 18 morning and I think it's about half of what most people 19 give, compensate for you putting vending machines in 20 your establishment. I think there needs to be a little 21 bid process or competitiveness going forward. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Well, I think what I hear 23 Commissioner Letz saying is it's probably not big enough 24 to put it out for an RFP, but we can certainly entertain 25 competitive discussions with these vendors. 28 1 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Right. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we just need to 3 get the word out that we're going to accept bids. I 4 don't know how many vending services there are in the 5 community but we, you know, going to contact some of 6 them, or hopefully the press will put it out there, and 7 we'll get back, and if we don't like them we can just do 8 something else. 9 JUDGE KELLY: The bottom line is we're going 10 public in the press that the county is open for bid on 11 our vending machines in our county facilities. Is there 12 any action to be taken on this? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't believe so. 14 JUDGE KELLY: So that will be an information 15 item only. We can move on to -- well, I'll tell you 16 what, we have to skip over 1.9 because -- well, no. We 17 can do 1.9, it's 9:30. 18 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 19 action to raise Kerr County Animal Services adoption 20 fees by $5.00 so microchipping can become standard on 21 adoption of animals. Reagan Givens. 22 MR. GIVENS: Good morning. This is 23 something that we've been looking at for a long time in 24 our department. Moving forward with starting to 25 microchip adopted dogs and cats that are going out of 29 1 our facility. There's a lot of benefits to this, both 2 to the owner of the animal, and to the County. We kind 3 of partnered with Hill Country Animal League about a 4 month ago probably, a month and a half. We've started 5 sending a whole bunch of newly adopted dogs and cats to 6 their facility. They do everything at our cost for the 7 vaccinations, microchipping, and spay and neuter. So 8 our normal adoption fee going through them, it doesn't 9 cost a person adopting any more to get that animal. In 10 doing that, we're doing this off of donated chips, but 11 we're having trouble sustaining our chip supply based 12 off of just donations. 13 So what we are asking for and what we're 14 trying to do here is get to the point where any animal 15 that's been adopted from our facility is microchipped. 16 Some of the benefits to that, of course, directly would 17 be your adopter. Their animal where ever it's scanned 18 will be contacted along with them, get that animal back 19 to them. 20 So what I'm proposing is if we raise the 21 adoption fee, the chips we've been looking at are a 22 Datamars chip, which links up with PetLink. And this is 23 Nichole that I keep looking at. They're linked up with 24 PetLink, so PetLink through our new software that we 25 have, we get an e-mail, say somebody's dog gets lost in 30 1 another state even, we get an e-mail on that. So does 2 the owner. We can help that animal get back quicker. 3 And this is also something that benefits -- 4 it holds people accountable, too, because once we hit a 5 point where the majority of all our animals here are 6 microchipped, we can have things like even on calls that 7 we go out on where animals have killed livestock, things 8 like that, may have a chip. We're always hopeful of a 9 chip, hold people accountable. So these are all things 10 we're looking at. Raising the adoption fee by $5.00 -- 11 right now our package that we're looking at getting is a 12 799 chip, $7.99 per chip. So we're looking at right 13 around $800.00 for a hundred chips. By raising the 14 adoption fee $5.00, the adopter would be paying the 15 majority of that fee. So for every hundred chips, we're 16 looking at $500.00 of that being paid by the adopter, 17 and then the county paying for the other three per 18 hundred. 19 So that was the best way that I could think 20 of to offset that cost, so that's what we're looking at 21 wanting to do. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it was pretty 23 much unanimous at our advisory committee meeting last 24 week, everyone there thinks this is a good program, 25 microchipping is the way to go. It starts to save 31 1 manpower long term as we get into the future, which is 2 the reason I support the county subsidizing part of the 3 cost of the chips, and I think it's a good program. 4 MR. GIVENS: One of your more progressive 5 animal control departments in the state and country are 6 doing this. It's a good program. 7 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: You don't think offset 8 them completely? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: You know, I think that 10 part of it is if you go up to seven ninety-nine then you 11 end up with a weird -- 12 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Or go 8. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Or go to 8, you could do 14 that. I think the benefit to everybody to get this done 15 from a rabies standpoint, cats are probably thee most 16 important thing. And because we have had a lot of 17 discussions about cats, you really can't -- you can't 18 put collars and tags on cats, so microchipping does work 19 in order to keep track of them. And long term, I think 20 it will be a huge plus on both sides to be able to, you 21 know, be able to do it to make sure that cats are given 22 rabies each year. 23 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I agree. The 24 advantages are -- I mean, that's the way you gotta go. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What's our fee, 45? 32 1 MR. GIVENS: Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So we could go to 53 or 3 50, either one. The cost to -- we're under the program 4 with Kerr County -- I mean Hill Country Animal League 5 right now who's doing the cost -- they're doing the full 6 spay and neuter and all that, vaccinations, Reagan said 7 for $45.00. If you go to a local vet, which some people 8 do, it costs more than double that. So it's a really 9 good program. 10 MR. GIVENS: Some of them do honor our cost, 11 but there are others who they charge a lot more. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's a good program. 13 I'm in favor of doing it either way. I would support 14 the $5.00, or I can go along with $8.00. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I thought you said the 16 $5.00 wasn't going to add to the cost of the local price 17 of adopting an animal? 18 MR. GIVENS: Well, it would raise it by 19 five, so we go from 45 to 50. That way the adopter is 20 paying $5.00 of that seven ninety-nine chip. So I was 21 just going by how many -- we get a better deal if you 22 order a hundred rather than 25 or 50. So you are 23 looking at seven ninety-nine times a hundred, you know, 24 about $800.00 for that for a hundred chips. And then so 25 paying $5.00 out of that, $500.00 of every $800.00 worth 33 1 of chips is paid for by the adopter, and the county 2 would be paying for the other 300, roughly. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: One of the reasons also 4 this budget year it makes sense because we have had 5 chips donated, and we do get donations. On the next 6 agenda item we receive donations which helps offset this 7 as well. 8 MR. GIVENS: There's a lot of benefits. 9 There's a lot of benefits to microchipping. I mean I 10 can go into a lot of different things, but it's just 11 another example for -- that Nichole had talked about the 12 other day, you know, we get dogs in that may have been 13 in the facility, they may have been adopted out of our 14 facility two, three, four, five years ago. They come 15 back, one person may recognize them; nobody else does. 16 Nichole actually recognized a dog that had been there 17 two or three years ago nobody else recognized. But if 18 she hadn't been there that day, or for a couple of days, 19 we wouldn't have known whose dog that was. If it was 20 chipped, we would have. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. What about the 22 equipment to read the chip, is it adequate? 23 MR. GIVENS: Yes, yes. We already actually 24 have three scanners. We're looking at through our first 25 order, we can get two more scanners. 34 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: What's the cost on 2 those things? 3 MR. GIVENS: They're 250 a piece. I'm 4 looking at hopefully at some point getting to where 5 every Animal Control Officer has one in their vehicle as 6 well. Before, when we scanned chips the Animal Control 7 -- it wasn't beneficial to scan in the field because you 8 could spend 20 minutes to two hours on the phone trying 9 to figure out whose chip that was registered to. Now we 10 can theoretically scan, make a phone call from the field 11 to the office, they punch in the number, that sends off 12 to PetLink. Because through our partnership with 13 PetLink we -- well, through getting the chips -- and it 14 gets kind of complicated. But through getting the chips 15 and using PetLink, we jump to the front of the line, so 16 we don't have to spend -- the officer doesn't have to 17 spend an hour on the phone. All that's done 18 electronically, we jump to the front of the line, and 19 then that e-mails us, or e-mails -- and e-mails the 20 owner, whoever it was registered to, no matter what 21 state it was in will get an e-mail. So if we have owner 22 information we can even contact them, especially if we 23 have the dog in our facility. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Two of the scanners -- I 25 believe two of them were donated. See a the lot of the 35 1 -- they get a lot of materials and things donated that 2 really help offset our budget. 3 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: One last question, 4 Reagan. Based on 2018 numbers, how many would we have 5 chipped, taken in and chipped? 6 MR. GIVENS: That we were -- 7 MS. GOLDEN: We had 846 adoptions for 2018. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And we can look at this 9 again for our next budget year. We can start looking at 10 the budget. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I have one more 12 question, and I don't want to get into high weeds on 13 this, but are these things standardized? One scanner 14 sees all the chips? 15 MR. GIVENS: I think it depends on the 16 scanner. There are universal scanners, and then there's 17 some scanners out there that won't read every chip. 18 These chips, my understanding -- 19 MS. GOLDEN: These chips from Datamars are 20 ISO compliant, which means the International 21 Standardization Organization. So they can be read not 22 only here in the United States with universal scanners, 23 but also in 31 other different countries. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So this would be the 25 best one to get. 36 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's the brand they're 2 looking at, is one of the better ones. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Good. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion to 5 approve raising the adoption fee by $5.00 to cover 6 microchips. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Motion been made by 10 Commissioner Letz and seconded by Commissioner Belew to 11 raise the adoption fee by $5.00 to cover part of the 12 cost of microchipping. Is there any further discussion 13 about that? Those in favor raise your hand. Four zero, 14 unanimous. 15 Next item on the agenda is 1.10 consider, 16 discuss and take appropriate action to accept donations 17 for the month of March, 2019 as listed in the Kerr 18 County Animal Services donation log. 19 MR. GIVENS: Yes, this is something we 20 started last month. This is our first month to do this. 21 So I come to you guys with our list of donations that we 22 received in March for you to accept. Some of this when 23 you see miscellaneous, is things like blankets, old 24 blankets, newspapers and things of that nature. We have 25 food items, some animal care items. 37 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make motion that we 2 accept the donations as submitted. 3 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 4 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Letz has moved, 5 Commissioner Harris has seconded that we accept the 6 donations listed in the report. Any further discussion? 7 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I have one question, 8 Reagan. This one donation of one ninety-four forty-six 9 from Ghetto Rescue FFoundation, what is that? 10 MS. GOLDEN: Microchips. 11 MR. GIVENS: That was microchips. 12 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Okay, good. I just -- 13 JUDGE KELLY: Any further discussion? Those 14 in favor raise your hands. Unanimous, four zero. 15 Item 1.11. I know we've got people that are 16 here for certain things. This is a good transition 17 period if you want to make your way to the door. I'm 18 not trying to run you off. 19 (Several visitors exiting the courtroom.) 20 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, we'll coming back to 21 order. 1.11 consider, discuss and take appropriate 22 action to approve the Interlocal Agreement between Kerr 23 County and Edwards County for Jail Services, and allow 24 County Judge to sign same. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: One thing I think y'all 38 1 recall right after we reopened, we did a lot of 2 Interlocal Agreements with surrounding jails and house 3 their overflow of inmates. The only thing in those 4 Interlocal Agreements it didn't have an automatic 5 renewal clause in it. So as they've come up, we have 6 gone to a new one that has the automatic renewal clause 7 in it. As far as the form, it has already been approved 8 by the County Attorney. We sent that to Edwards County, 9 they did sign off on it. And so I'm just asking the 10 County to approve the renewal of the contract with 11 Edwards County. 12 Just kind of a note just to let you know 13 real quick, that since we reopened the facility last 14 December, a year ago, a little over a year ago, in the 15 counties that we're billing, mainly Kendall and Medina 16 County, we have billed out a little over a million 17 dollars in our county housing, and housing their 18 overflow inmates, so it's helped us. Put a strain on 19 our employees, but it has helped Kerr County. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: How much did that drop 21 after Kendall County opened their new jail? 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, it dropped a 23 while, okay, and then it went back up. They had a 24 couple issues with their cell blocks and had to abandon 25 those for a few weeks. So then it went back up to over 39 1 40 or 50 again, and now it's dropped back down to about 2 4, but Medina County has gone up, constantly. So we're 3 really equaling out. I think this morning we've got 4 over 40 of those two counties when you combine them. So 5 we had anticipated in the budget process last year to 6 maybe bill out 300 thousand. We weren't really sure 7 where it would go. So billing out a little over a 8 million so far has been a pretty good bump for the 9 county. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 11 approve the Interlocal Agreement for housing inmates. 12 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 13 JUDGE KELLY: Been a motion by Commissioner 14 Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris to approve the 15 Interlocal Agreement with Edwards County. Before we 16 vote on it, I just want the record to reflect that I'm 17 impressed that Judge Shanklin approves of incarceration. 18 As the head goat herder of Edwards County it is nice to 19 know that he still abiding by the rule of law. And for 20 those of you who don't know Judge Shanklin, he would 21 appreciate this being put on the record. 22 All in favor raise your hand. Four zero, 23 unanimous. I see the Sheriff smile. He knows Judge 24 Shanklin. 25 Item 1.12 consider, discuss and take 40 1 appropriate action to appoint a member of Commissioners' 2 Court, or designate a person to perform investigation 3 under section 751.005 of the Texas Health and Safety 4 Code for the purpose of determining if the minimum 5 standards for ensuring public safety and order as 6 prescribed by law will be maintained under the 7 application for permit for mass gathering by the 8 Kerrville Folk Festival Foundation. 9 I gotta have a hearing so we gotta have 10 somebody do the investigation before the hearing is 11 scheduled. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: His Precinct. 13 JUDGE KELLY: We have a volunteer in your 14 precinct? 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah. I've been the 16 Official Fire Marshal for the folk festival, but I never 17 got a badge. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Buster had a hat. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah, a special hat or 20 a badge would be good. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 22 appoint Commissioner Belew per item 1.12. 23 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 24 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, there's been a motion by 25 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 41 1 appoint Mr. Belew as the Official Investigator for the 2 Folklife Festival Foundation this year. And I'll notify 3 you of the time and place that we have the Mass 4 Gathering Hearing. I forget when it is, but I've been 5 set, I know that. 6 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Yeah, it's May 2nd at 8:30. 7 JUDGE KELLY: May 2nd, 8:30 in the morning 8 in my office. Those in favor raise your hand. 9 Unanimous -- well, three zero, and one abstention. 10 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, timed item 1.21 11 consider, discuss and take appropriate action regarding 12 2019 Memorial Day Event. Miss Mistretta. 13 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. Good morning, 14 gentlemen. I have my Veteran Advisory Council with me, 15 so we actually have some permissions for y'all. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Please introduce your Council. 17 MS. MISTRETTA: Oh, yes. I have Vicki 18 Marsh, Bill Cantrell, Byron Warren, and Gary Noller. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Good. Thank you for being 20 here. 21 MS. MISTRETTA: Well, some of our 22 permissions are to request the courthouse grounds for 23 Monday, May 27th at 11 o'clock for a Memorial Day event. 24 Also we wanted approval for the Cailloux Theater as a 25 backup location in case of rain. Also, for the VSO to 42 1 be a public and media contact, so we're going to reach 2 out to the radio and newspapers to try and get a bigger 3 crowd this year, if that's all right. 4 Also for security since we have the -- if 5 we're able to have the building open for restrooms, if 6 we're able to have the Sheriff or someone on-site for 7 that. 8 We need approval for a lettered sign we're 9 going to put out front this year, so at least we can try 10 to have a bigger crowd. And I'll get a design for y'all 11 if we have approval for that. 12 And also do we have anything else? Oh, the 13 County -- do we have a county list? Should we get a 14 County list? Well, we'll get back to you on that. So I 15 guess that's it. 16 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move for approval. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Been moved by Commissioner 19 Harris, seconded by Commissioner Letz to approve the 20 Veterans Service Coordinator and her committee. 21 Do y'all have any clarifications? 22 MR. WARREN: Byron Warren. All the county 23 military service organizations have wreaths usually, and 24 they present at the -- the ceremony is at the national 25 ceremony at times, courthouse grounds at times. Depends 43 1 on what the celebration is. All through the years I 2 have never seen a Kerr County wreath. But there are 3 usually to 24 to 25 wreaths from different parts and 4 organizations within the county, but I've never -- and 5 again, I don't think I've ever seen a Kerr County 6 wreath. 7 MS. MISTRETTA: And one more item was the 8 chairs. They are at a location, and they are kind of 9 dirty. We need the chairs for the presentation, so they 10 need to be cleaned and then transported to us. We were 11 wondering if we had a member that could clean the chairs 12 and bring them; not set up. It's not need be. We can 13 possibly set them up. But if we could have someone help 14 set them up, but that would be an off day, so it would 15 be having to request someone to work that day. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Coordinate that with 17 Shane? 18 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. Absolutely. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Any other details going 20 into this motion? 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: What day is this? 22 MS. MISTRETTA: It's May 27th. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: And what hours are you 24 needing the courthouse open? 25 MS. MISTRETTA: 10 to 12 o'clock. 44 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 10 to 1. 2 JUDGE KELLY: 10 to 1. And this 3 presentation is going to be out here on the courthouse 4 lawn? 5 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. 6 JUDGE KELLY: And what time does the service 7 begin so that the press knows? 8 MS. MISTRETTA: 11 o'clock, Sir. 9 JUDGE KELLY: It begins at 11? 10 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. 11 JUDGE KELLY: And it's expected to last a 12 little more than an hour or so, something like that? 13 MS. MISTRETTA: It should be around an hour. 14 JUDGE KELLY: And you're specifically 15 requesting that the county help set up the chairs for 16 you? 17 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. Because we took a 18 look at them, and they were kind of dirty from sitting 19 there. 20 JUDGE KELLY: We're trying to make sure we 21 got it all on the record what we're doing here. 22 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. 23 JUDGE KELLY: And then we're also trying to 24 coordinate with the Sheriff's Office to provide security 25 here at the courthouse while it's open on that day, 45 1 which Memorial Day is a holiday? 2 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, we've got it. Anything 4 else? I'm looking to my committee over here. 5 MR. WARREN: We're having some youth 6 involved in the ceremony this year. We're having the 7 Tivy Junior ROTC addressing the flags, and retiring the 8 flags before and after the ceremony. So that's an 9 interesting change. 10 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, good. 11 MRS. STEBBINS: Did you approve the purchase 12 of a wreath for that ceremony by the county? 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think we can use 14 county funds for that, but we can probably have some 15 donations for that purpose. 16 MR. WARREN: Wreaths usually cost about 17 $43.00 to $75.00, depends on how fancy you want to get. 18 Hobby Lobby down here can do it for about 35 or 40 19 bucks. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: They haven't finished 21 building Hobby Lobby yet. If we can wait. 22 JUDGE KELLY: For purposes of the record, 23 we're looking for those to come from donated funds, the 24 wreath. 25 MR. WARREN: Actually we have a source for 46 1 that from Marty. We have some funds available from past 2 county events. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Well, we're excited about the 4 event. We just need to know what we're expected to do 5 other than show up and be part of your ceremony. 6 MS. MISTRETTA: Yes, Sir. 7 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. I think we understand 8 now. We have a motion and second. Does everybody 9 understand and agree to the details with regard to the 10 motion and second? Okay, those in favor raise your 11 hand. Unanimous, four zero. 12 Thanks, Miss Mistretta. How's she working 13 out for you guys? 14 MR. NOLLER: We're proud of her. 15 MS. MARSH: Very well. 16 MR. WARREN: We're very proud of ourselves. 17 JUDGE KELLY: Good. Good. We're happy to 18 hear that. 19 MR. WARREN: We try to assist her all we can 20 without getting in her way. 21 JUDGE KELLY: Well, I would be careful if 22 you got in her way. 23 MR. WARREN: Yes, Sir. 24 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, I think we're back on 25 the regular agenda. Item 1.13 consider, discuss and 47 1 take appropriate action to accept bid proposals for an 2 appraisal of the Kerr County Juvenile Detention Facility 3 buildings. 4 As y'all know we've had at least two 5 prospective purchasers look at our JDC Facility. It's 6 going to require that we have an appraisal because we 7 can't sell property or lease property unless we know the 8 fair market value of the property. We've received two 9 proposals. One from a local appraiser, and one from an 10 appraiser down in San Antonio. 11 The purpose of the appraisal is to determine 12 fair market value. And for those of you that are not 13 familiar with the appraisal process, there are three 14 basic approaches that go into appraisals. One is the 15 actual replacement cost of the facility, and I can 16 assure you that replacement cost of this facility is 17 cost prohibitive. 18 The second approach is also called a market 19 approach where you compare other comparables, and as 20 we're told there's only one other privately-owned 21 juvenile detention facility in the State of Texas, that 22 was in Brownwood that was in such bad repair that when 23 they leased it out they leased it out for a dollar a 24 year to get it back up to code. So we have no real 25 comparables, which complicates how we go about 48 1 determining fair market value. 2 The third recognized approach to appraisals 3 is the income approach, the capitalization approach 4 where we project what the income that can be earned off 5 the property and be capitalized over a period of time 6 and come up with a fair market value. 7 That is going to be the more likely approach 8 that we're going to take in this appraisal process. And 9 so it's very important that our appraisers have some 10 experience and familiarity with the income 11 capitalization approach. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: How many of those are 13 within the State of Texas? 14 JUDGE KELLY: Private? Two. Us and 15 Brownwood, that's it. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So we've already ruled 17 out Brownwood. How else will they determine this? 18 JUDGE KELLY: Well, then we'll try to 19 determine what people are willing to pay for the 20 state-owned facility and county-owned facility. You 21 come up with an approach as to what people will pay per 22 day. And right now, I can tell you since Kerr County 23 has closed its Juvenile Detention Facility, our options 24 are -- primary options are to send them either to 25 Guadalupe County, Seguin, in which we pay a hundred 49 1 dollars a day, or Atascosa County, Jourdanton, which 2 charges a hundred dollars a day. And so you can see on 3 that basis you can figure out at a hundred dollars a 4 day, we've got 25 beds over there. We can start 5 figuring out what type of income we can project, if we 6 try to lease it out. But of course you gotta take into 7 consideration offsetting expenses to that, so it gets to 8 be a little bit more of a complicated process than just 9 coming up with price per day per juvenile. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, does the same 11 rule apply for juvenile that applies for adults on 12 capacity? 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: No. 14 JUDGE KELLY: No. The juveniles have to be 15 PREA compliant. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So you can have full 17 capacity but no extra beds? 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes, they can. 19 JUDGE KELLY: But they also have as part of 20 the PREA rules for those of you -- and I'm not good on 21 acronyms, but that is the federal statute for rape 22 prevention, which is not required at the state level, 23 but is required at the juvenile level, and that requires 24 eyes-on 24/7, every juvenile. And that runs the 25 expenses almost double. 50 1 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: They have to do that, 2 plus they have to actually have a lot more employees 3 with a lot fewer juveniles than we have to have for 4 adults. So it's a lot more expensive to run a juvenile 5 facility. 6 JUDGE KELLY: And by example, you just look 7 at the price per day we just approved in an Interlocal 8 Agreement with Edwards County. My joke about Judge 9 Shanklin at 50 dollars a day for adults, and we pay a 10 hundred dollars a day for juvenile. And if we put them 11 in a placement, whether it's specialized in behavior 12 modification, alcohol and drugs, and other sort of 13 misconduct that we deal with in the juvenile system, 14 that price can go anywhere from $200.00 a day to about 15 $250.00 a day, depending on which facility we send them 16 to, so it's a very expensive process for the county, and 17 so this is a great opportunity for us to utilize an 18 unused facility and hope we generate some sort of cash 19 supplement for the county budget. 20 So do we need to go over both of the 21 proposals? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I mean I looked at 23 the proposals. The first one's for market value, which 24 is basically said we don't want to do. The one from 25 Valbridge, specifically only for a market value. 51 1 JUDGE KELLY: Is that Grafe you looked at? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Grafe. Valbridge is the 3 name of the company. I mean the first sentence says 4 market value appraisal. I mean that's not going to 5 work. 6 JUDGE KELLY: I understand. But that's why 7 I was explaining to the public these different 8 approaches, and what is more applicable and what not. 9 And plus the other factors as a Juvenile 10 Judge, I have perhaps unique insight into some of this. 11 But one of the things I think will be critical for us as 12 we do anything with this Juvenile Detention Facility is 13 that our public, our taxpayers, are comfortable with 14 whatever fair market values we come up with. And 15 bringing somebody in from the outside that has only bid 16 on the fair market value appraisal versus someone who 17 lives in this community, pays taxes in this community, 18 understands what things are worth in this community, I 19 think brings a lot of value in terms of us just being 20 able to go to our public and justify the values that we 21 come up with. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And looking at Mr. 23 Snow's appraisals, he is aware of the situation that we 24 might have a difficult time doing market value 25 appraisals, and acknowledges that he will come back to 52 1 us with an estimate for a different type of appraisal. 2 But with those two, I recommend we go with Mr. Snow, 3 because he at least believes there's a problem with 4 market value. 5 JUDGE KELLY: And I'll second that motion. 6 I appreciate Commissioner Letz has made the motion, and 7 I'll second it. I do think we need the benefit of local 8 knowledge, dealing with a very sensitive issue that I 9 know would be of vital proportion to the public, and 10 ensure maximum return that we can utilize off this 11 property. 12 So is there any further discussion? 13 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Don't we need to wait 14 until he comes back with some kind of proposal? I 15 mean -- 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think we can 17 authorize -- we can make an agreement with him to 18 proceed, and then he can figure out what -- if he has to 19 amend it, they'll be the numbers. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So this is just 21 authorization to go ahead and bring something -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: To me, I'll make a 23 motion, and the motion is to enter into a contract with 24 Billy Snow for the appraisal of the Juvenile Detention 25 buildings, and an amount not to exceed $6,500.00 53 1 without additional approval. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I second that. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Well, I've already 4 seconded it. And I appreciate the third. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, with that 6 amendment? 7 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It was a clarification 9 of the specifics, rather -- either way. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: With that 11 clarification, okay. So what is the motion then? That 12 we proceed -- 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The motion is enter into 14 a contract with Billy Snow for the appraisal of the 15 Juvenile Detention Facility in an amount not to exceed 16 $6,500.00. 17 JUDGE KELLY: And I might add that time is 18 of the essence. Both of those prospective purchasers 19 are eager, word on the street. And of course that's 20 worth what it's worth. It's the word on the street is 21 that the state is slowly getting out of the detention 22 business, and privatizing these into more regional 23 facilities. And we happen to have one of the few 24 privately-owned regional facilities that is available 25 for anyone to come in and be able to at least meet the 54 1 state's overflow needs. So they're eager to move. We 2 need to do this quickly so that we know how to 3 negotiate, and we need do know the values that we can 4 ask for in a negotiation. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Do we know is there 6 anything pending in the legislative session that will 7 determine any changes in the outcome of this that might 8 be to our advantage? What would that be, Sheriff? 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The one major bill 10 that's pending in legislation that could affect us all 11 is right now if you are 17 years of age -- if you are 12 younger than 17 years of age, you're a juvenile, okay, 13 in Texas. And what they're trying to push going along 14 with the PREA stuff and everything else, is anybody 15 under 18 is a juvenile so it would add all the 17-year 16 olds that are in my facility now, it would turn them 17 into juveniles and you could no longer house them in the 18 adult facility; you'd have to house them in the juvenile 19 facility, which could have a major impact in all the 20 counties in the state. 21 JUDGE KELLY: Not could, but would. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Would. Definitely. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: How many 17-year olds 24 do you have now? 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I couldn't tell you 55 1 offhand. I'd have to go back and look, Commissioner, 2 but it's a lot. 3 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes, that's true. Also, 4 that comes up every two years for the past handful of 5 sessions that it be proposed. Texas is one of the 6 only -- a few states have them at 17, and Texas. 7 JUDGE KELLY: And for the press and those of 8 you out there that don't know the Texas Family Code 9 defines the meaning of a juvenile as being between the 10 ages of ten and 16. And at the beginning of every 11 juvenile hearing, if you've attended them, I have to 12 question and qualify to make sure that that youth is 13 subject to the jurisdiction of the Court as being 14 defined as a juvenile. And then once they turn -- the 15 first day they turn 17 they're no longer a juvenile; 16 they're treated as an adult. This will change that to 17 the first day they become 18. 18 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The only thing that you 19 have to seriously look at is if the legislature changes 20 that, it very well may throw -- like right now, and I 21 understand when this Court chose to close the juvenile 22 facility it was for good understanding the county was 23 losing money because we really weren't housing all that 24 many. But if the state changes that age group, it's 25 going to throw a whole lot more kids into being 56 1 juveniles. And maybe at that point it may be 2 advantageous for the county to have a juvenile facility 3 to house juveniles in, because you're going to be 4 spending a lot of money elsewhere. 5 JUDGE KELLY: That is true. 6 MRS. STEBBINS: How about that? 7 JUDGE KELLY: It's a complicated formula. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, it's timing. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, this session will 10 be over before we make a decision on the juvenile 11 facility, so at least we'll know before we make a 12 decision. 13 JUDGE KELLY: But it doesn't hurt for us to 14 know what it's worth. If there's no further discussion 15 those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, four zero. 16 Let's take a break for about ten minutes, 17 and start back up at approximately 10:15. 18 (Break.) 19 JUDGE KELLY: May I request we revisit an 20 earlier item as we missed one of our potential 21 participants, and that was item 1.8 consider, discuss 22 and take appropriate action to accept proposals for 23 vending machine services in various county facilities, 24 which was an information item to begin with. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Your Honor, if I may, 57 1 you actually had two participants here. One, after it 2 was called and y'all discussed and said it was moving 3 on. That participant left because you said you were 4 going to -- just as proposals, so if you reopen it now 5 and one left and didn't get a chance to speak, and the 6 other one does get a chance to speak -- 7 JUDGE KELLY: No, I understand. Then what 8 we'll do is we'll just put in on the agenda another time 9 and you'll have another opportunity to come back at that 10 time. But it's not fair for us to listen to one and not 11 the other. 12 MR. MORROW: That's fair. Yeah, I'll 13 just -- we can just go with the proposal process like 14 you did, and I can wait the two weeks. I just wanted to 15 clarify a couple things. 16 JUDGE KELLY: I understand. But it is 17 important that everybody have an equal opportunity to 18 address the Court. 19 MR. MORROW: Yeah, and I don't need to. 20 Yeah, I'll just -- and we can just move forward then. 21 JUDGE KELLY: And next time when y'all are 22 out in the courtroom, please be sure and stick your hand 23 up if you need to talk about something before I move 24 passed it. I appreciate you coming in. 25 MR. MORROW: Thank you so much. 58 1 JUDGE KELLY: Didn't know either one of them 2 so thank you. 3 I think we're back now on item 1.14 4 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to ratify 5 and confirm Texas Association of Counties Property 6 Renewal Questionnaire for property insurance coverage. 7 Commissioner Letz. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'm not sure if this 9 needs to be on the agenda or not. But think I discussed 10 this last time. I think this was a renewal that was due 11 in between the meetings. It was filled out by a 12 combination myself, Jennifer Doss and James Robles for 13 this matter. This is for insurance coverage. So to 14 play it safe it is a pretty big item in our budget, I 15 thought that I'd put it up here. What we submitted is 16 attached. And I'll make a motion that we ratify and 17 confirm the TAC Property Renewal Questionnaire for 18 property insurance coverage as submitted. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 20 JUDGE KELLY: There's been a motion by 21 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 22 ratify and confirm the Property Renewal Questionnaire 23 that was submitted to TAC. Is there any further 24 discussion on that? 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think the interesting 59 1 thing this has nothing to do with our coverage. That 2 there's questions about fine arts valued over 3 $250,000.00. I would like to know what County that is. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Harris. 5 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Bexar. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We don't have anything, 7 so we answered no to that one. 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: It's just a formality, 9 isn't it? 10 JUDGE KELLY: Those in favor of ratification 11 confirmation raise your hand. Unanimous, four zero. 12 Item 1.15 consider, discuss and take 13 appropriate action to accept the Kerr County Bail Bond 14 Board as an official Board of Kerr County pursuant to 15 OC, Occupations Code, 1704. Miss Soldan and Sheriff 16 Hierholzer. 17 MRS. SOLDAN: I put this on the agenda to 18 get the Court to recognize the Kerr County Bail Bond 19 Board as an official Board of Kerr County so that we can 20 obtain liability insurance -- Board of Directors 21 insurance for the Board. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that we 23 approve the agenda item. 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: One thing just real 25 quick. Let me explain for liability purposes. Back in 60 1 1992, my predecessor disbanded the Board, the Bail Bond 2 Board, okay, and in 2002, I reinstated the Bail Bond 3 Board. The Bail Bond Board in a county with a 4 population of less than a hundred thousand is 5 discretionary, it is not required, okay? And those 6 counties that don't have a Bail Bond Board, it's up to 7 the Sheriff to decide who writes bonds in that county. 8 I don't like that liability just on myself; I would 9 rather there be a whole procedure and application 10 procedure, and so I asked in '02 that we create a board 11 again, okay? And so that's what was done, and it's been 12 in creation since then. 13 Our County Attorney sits on the Board, the 14 County Judge, the Sheriff, the District Judges, District 15 Clerk, County Clerk, a bail bond company, they get voted 16 at elections on it, and a defense attorney gets voted in 17 at elections on it. And it can even go into a municipal 18 judges. Just for clarification because since we have 19 been in action since 2002, and we're just now bringing 20 it to y'all for a -- you know, to make it, I guess, a 21 County Board. I don't want the liability issue to look 22 like there's been a change. And the reason I think this 23 came up according to Tracy, Comal County, their Board, 24 may have got sued by rivaling bail bond companies or 25 sureties or whatever, and the county could not represent 61 1 two of the members on the Board because they were not 2 county employees, they're talking to other bonding 3 companies, they're board members. And I got to looking 4 at this and wondering why didn't we bring it to 5 Commissioners' Court, because right now the Occupations 6 Code does require in the discretionary creation of it 7 that the Commissioners' Court approve the creation of 8 the Board by a majority vote. That's the way the 9 Occupations Code is written. 10 But in 2002 when we created the Board that 11 portion, Number 2, was not in the Occupations Code, 12 okay? In 2002 it just read that the Board -- 13 discretionary creation of a Board. A Board may be 14 created in a county with a population of a hundred and 15 ten thousand -- less than a hundred and ten thousand if 16 a majority of the persons who would serve as members 17 under that would want to create it, which we did. 18 So that's why there was never an approval or 19 a Commissioners' Court order approving this Board, 20 because it wasn't necessary. The law changed, or the 21 Occupations Code changed in 2009, and we just never saw 22 it. So I think technically, and County Attorney would 23 have to address this, that we were covered up -- 24 actually probably covered constantly under the 25 grandfather clause of it because it was created before 62 1 it was ever required. But I think for liability and the 2 best way to do it is for this Commissioners' Court to 3 approve that as an official Board of Kerr County for the 4 liability. That make sense? 5 MRS. STEBBINS: Makes sense to me. And 6 Tracy did ask me to look at the Occupations Code before 7 she brought it to the Court to approve it as a Kerr 8 County Board. And I think that that's the best thing 9 for y'all to do right now for the liability of the 10 Directors of that Board. 11 JUDGE KELLY: Well, with regard to any sort 12 of potential liability, I favor insuring the liability 13 if at all possible. 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I agree. 15 JUDGE KELLY: There's simply no reason for 16 us to put our personal -- our personal assets at risk 17 over trying to do the County's business. 18 So with that, I would make a motion that we 19 go ahead and approve this as presented. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I already made a motion, 21 but you can second it. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Second. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Now, the only thing I 24 would ask, and this is just an opinion. As a member of 25 that Board, Judge, would you be conflicted out of this 63 1 vote? 2 JUDGE KELLY: Well, then I'll sit out of 3 this vote. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'll second it then, 5 because I got cheated out of one earlier. 6 MRS. SOLDAN: That designated you as the 7 representative to be sitting on the Board. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay, Don. 9 JUDGE KELLY: But we do have a quorum. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We don't have a quorum. 11 So we have to wait until Moser's back? 12 MRS. SOLDAN: I don't know. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is that right? 14 MRS. STEBBINS: Well, does it say County 15 Judge or his designee? 16 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The actual wordage 17 is -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't think it's a 19 conflict. I mean the Judge and all of us vote on our 20 insurance every year and all our liability and 21 everything else. 22 MRS. SOLDAN: And really all you're doing is 23 to accept this Board as a County Board. We're not 24 asking the County to pay the liability insurance, the 25 Bail Bond Board will do that. 64 1 JUDGE KELLY: Let me make a proposal. I 2 don't know it's a conflict or not, but any time there is 3 a conflict, I always like to try avoid interference. At 4 this point since we really don't know if there's a 5 conflict, I would like to ask the County Attorney to 6 look into that and report back to us. And any action 7 that would be taken today would have to be ratified or 8 confirmed at a subsequent meeting anyway. So why don't 9 we -- I mean, in the event that there is a conflict it's 10 going to have to be ratified, right? 11 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The actual language of 12 the deal is: The County Judge, a member of the 13 Commissioners' Court designated by the County Judge, or 14 a designee approved by Commissioners' Court. So yeah, 15 if he's designated him then actually -- I don't know. 16 I'll let the County Attorney figure that one out. 17 JUDGE KELLY: I just don't see any reason 18 for us to take a chance. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: If we can wait two 20 weeks -- 21 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah, it can wait two 22 weeks. 23 JUDGE KELLY: Is it time sensitive? 24 MRS. SOLDAN: No. 25 JUDGE KELLY: We'll just table it. 65 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll withdraw my motion. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Let's table it, and -- 3 MRS. SOLDAN: Bring it back next time? 4 Okay. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I withdraw the second. 6 JUDGE KELLY: It has nothing to with your 7 presentation; it has to do with who gets to vote for 8 what. 9 MRS. STEBBINS: So the question that I need 10 to answer is the County Judge conflicted out of voting 11 on a designation of a board as a County board if the 12 County Judge sits on that Board, or designee? 13 JUDGE KELLY: Or designee. Because that's 14 what gets us in trouble. We've got a quorum if the 15 designee can vote. And I don't know if I can vote or 16 not. And the question is whether or not the designee 17 can vote. And just wait until we have a quorum here and 18 fix this thing once and for all. But I think we're all 19 in favor of insurance. 20 MRS. SOLDAN: Yes. Thank you. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: This doesn't cost the 22 County money? 23 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, the next item on the 24 agenda is 1.16 consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 action regarding time sheet approval process. 66 1 This is kind of an internal matter that 2 probably most of the public has no idea what we're 3 really talking about. Each elected official approves 4 the time entries of their employees, anybody that works 5 in their office. And they also are -- because they are 6 elected officials they are exempt from having to turn in 7 their time because they're elected. That's not what's 8 at issue. What's at issue is the department heads. 9 Each department head in the County approves the time 10 entries of their employees; however, the department head 11 themselves submit their time on one unified sheet that 12 comes out printed to the County Judge to approve. And I 13 have no idea about any of those time entries. That's 14 just information I get from my department heads, and I 15 assume it true. 16 I've asked for several times to help me get 17 some sort of verification process that when I sign that, 18 and I own the responsibility on signing off on their 19 time, that it is in fact true and accurate time entries, 20 and the time entries include such thing as comp time, 21 vacation time, sick time, different things on there, of 22 which I have no personal knowledge whatsoever. 23 And what I've asked is that the liaison 24 commissioner for those particular department heads be 25 responsible for verifying the time entries and approving 67 1 those for payment, and they have to be turned into the 2 Auditor's -- or actually, I believe, it's the 3 Treasurer's Office? 4 MRS. GRINSTEAD: HR. 5 JUDGE KELLY: HR. I think there's a magic 6 date. I think it's on every other Monday by 10 o'clock, 7 and then there's a subsequent -- really a precedent time 8 deadline that needs to get that information to Jody so 9 that she can get it to Jennifer, so that they can get 10 factored in to get their paychecks. And I'm 11 uncomfortable signing off on that, and I don't intend to 12 sign those anymore until I can sit down with people and 13 make sure what you're doing is right. There's no reason 14 to believe that there's not, but at the same time if I'm 15 being asked to verify it, I think we oughta be 16 transparent and get it verified. So that's -- that's 17 what I put on the agenda. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only comment is that 19 you're not required to sign, Judge, and traditionally 20 you haven't signed. I've been signing it, or 21 Commissioner Reeves has signed it, for the last four or 22 five years, primarily. And I think you got it this week 23 mainly because I was gone that day, and there's no one 24 that has have been designated by a court order as to who 25 signs that. It was developed by the Auditor, the 68 1 previous Auditor, that a member of the Court could 2 approve that. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Which I'm fine with, other 4 than it's been presented to me several times to sign, 5 and each time I've asked how do I verify this, and I've 6 been told there's no verification process. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That part is true, and I 8 look at it that the majority of the department heads are 9 exempt employees, and the intent is that they work a 10 40-hour work week but, you know -- Mr. Trolinger stood 11 up, he's a great example. He works at home a great 12 deal. Many of our department heads work hours outside 13 the standard 8 to 5. There's no way that any of the 14 Liaisons can verify that anymore than just one of us. 15 So I think the -- you know, I always looked 16 at it and I do look at them, and we have found problems 17 in the past, and those department heads are no longer 18 with us. And I found some, and others who have signed 19 that form, you know. Because you can spot check, you 20 know certain things. Plus other department heads and 21 elected officials are pretty good about notifying, at 22 least me, and I presume other members of the Court as 23 well, when there's something that looks like it may not 24 be quite kosher sometimes when you look at people's work 25 hours. 69 1 Yeah, I don't know how you solve it. I 2 think the suggestion that the Sheriff has is that no one 3 approve it, and just passing a court order that 4 generally they all just get paid, you know, that's fine. 5 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: In my short time here, 6 I've dealt with several department heads after hours, 7 weekends, what have you, I mean it's -- you know, 8 department head title, you're pretty much on call a lot 9 of times. And I kind of agree with you, or the 10 assertion that, you know, they're going to get -- if 11 somebody's abusing the position, or hours, then it'll 12 get taken care of in the long run. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I mean I don't mind. 14 And a way to get around it is -- just less work for 15 everyone is that the department heads have to sign off 16 on their own. And then I think there's -- and I have no 17 problem with that. And if they are cheating they're not 18 working the hours or the -- you know, doing their job 19 essentially, I think that it's falsifying a record, 20 which is a criminal penalty. So that may be a solution 21 outside of it, because and I agree with you that I can't 22 verify they're all working it, but it's just a process 23 and up until now. So to me that makes probably the most 24 sense. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Well, really what y'all want 70 1 to do. I just wanted to put the public on notice, and 2 the Court on notice that I feel uncomfortable signing 3 and verifying things of which I have absolutely no 4 information whatsoever. And I like to read, I like to 5 verify whatever I sign. So whatever y'all want to do is 6 fine with me. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: As a former President 8 said you trust and verify. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Absolutely right. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So if people are 11 understanding of the fact that they're basically 12 committing perjury if they sign a document falsely, and 13 all of those department heads are signing off on their 14 employees, and their signature's the one on the dotted 15 line, their head is on the chopping block so to speak. 16 And I think everybody -- as long as everybody 17 understands that, I think we'll be fine, there's a 18 trust. And then how do you verify? You verify just by 19 putting that information out there for them, and leave 20 it alone. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And the reason I never 22 questioned it in the past is that there is a trust 23 issue. And there is a trust issue. We pay a stack of 24 bills every week, and I have no way to know if the 25 charge to Gibson's was truly for a maintenance screw. 71 1 No way to know that. I trust our Maintenance Department 2 to do it. When the Sheriff buys something, I have no 3 idea where that food's going for the commissary, you 4 know. We have no way of doing it, so there has to be a 5 certain amount of trust in a lot of the things that we 6 approve of up here. 7 And I think, you know, there's a lot of 8 checks and balances, and I trust that if any department 9 head approves disbursements of funds is doing something 10 wrong, the Auditor's going to probably check it, and if 11 not the Auditor, the Treasurer. So there's a lot of 12 checks in there, but I can't verify those things. I 13 have no -- no way, other than going to James and saying, 14 James, what was this bill for? And we do that 15 occasionally. Probably not as much as we should. 16 MR. ROBLES: We also have our external 17 Auditors that check us, so there's still steps in the 18 process. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But to me, you 20 know, as I mentioned last week, the time sensitive 21 nature of this is the reason that kind of -- I think 22 Jody gives it to whoever's here first that morning, that 23 Monday morning. But to me it makes much sense to let 24 department heads sign off on their own time. 25 MR. TROLINGER: Judge, I have some 72 1 information on the background of the approval process as 2 far as the software and the history. Some years ago, 3 many years ago, we had paper spreadsheets that would be 4 printed, signed, distributed, and when we moved to the 5 Incode time entry system, which requires a user name and 6 a password to be entered by the individual. So Sunday I 7 came into work, yes, there's a power outage. So yes, 8 I'm guilty, I have these extra hours. And if I want to 9 document each one of those things so that the Court can 10 see exactly what I'm doing it's possible for me to put 11 each minute, and then sign off on it, and log into with 12 my password and user name, and that's my time, that's 13 what I'm submitting to the Court. It's an electronic 14 document, it's got an associated account that you have 15 to sign in with. And now the system very quickly can go 16 through the approval process, Jody can see it right 17 away. As soon as I've entered that time, she can see 18 that I had vacation time, and I had, you know, all these 19 other things. She takes that, she has to log in with 20 the user password to be able to then present that 21 information to you. So that's what we've streamlined 22 many years ago was the paper process for signatures, 23 paper was being distributed. Today, I log in to my time 24 entry, Jody then logs in, pulls up the records, and 25 although there's not necessarily a log file or paper 73 1 trail that says I signed in at this time, it's pretty 2 good proof that I was the one that logged in and put my 3 own time in. So that's the background on how we got to 4 the electronic time entry process. 5 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I think really if you 6 do just what Jonathan said, I think you're best off. 7 Years ago they had a big issue in Bexar County with 8 falsifying overtime records and they paid out a whole 9 lot of overtime because officers were falsifying their 10 overtime. But I think where you can control that is 11 through your HR and your Treasurer. You know, if they 12 see that they're putting out paychecks that have a whole 13 lot of overtime constantly on it, that's something they 14 need to bring to the Court's attention so that you see 15 we paid this guy more on his overtime more than we have 16 in his normal salary, and then you start looking at why. 17 You know, you've hired these elected 18 officials, or these department heads, and you have the 19 right to call them in here and talk to them in executive 20 session about what they've done. If they're the only 21 ones signing off on their own timesheet falsifying, 22 that's a felony on them, okay? If you're signing off on 23 it, too -- well, I'd put it this way. I wouldn't sign 24 off on it if I didn't know it. I'm like the Judge, I'd 25 let them sign off their own, and verify it if you have 74 1 to. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Well, we may be debating how 3 many angels dance on the head of a pin, but the 4 important thing is that anything that we are going to 5 approve that we at least have some sort of backup and 6 verification to make sure that the public dollars are 7 being protected, and that's all I'm trying to ensure. 8 I've been caught in this dilemma several times where 9 I've been asked to approve things that I don't know what 10 they are, and I'm just uncomfortable doing it and so I'm 11 not going to do that. 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, my question would 13 be as an investigator, if it was brought to my attention 14 as an investigator that, you know, somebody may have 15 falsified their time record, and I go back and pull up 16 their time sheet and they're saying they worked 8 hours 17 that day, but I can prove that they were down at the 18 cost at a hotel, you know, fishing that day, okay? I 19 don't think they put in 8 hours worth of work. But now 20 I've got Jonathan, or somebody else, that also signed 21 off that they work 8 hours that day. How was Jonathan 22 part of that conspiracy? I'd like to say he might be, I 23 could have fun with that, but you see what I'm talking 24 about. It throws more kinks in there that shouldn't be 25 in there, because you don't know whether he worked it or 75 1 not, and you are signing off on the hours they work that 2 day, too; not just their sick leave and that. I 3 believe -- 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: What we get is a summary 5 sheet. But either way, I mean it's an easier process, 6 and probably a cleaner process to -- I'll make a motion 7 that we change our policy, though it may be an 8 unofficial policy, that department heads sign off on 9 their own time sheets. 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I second that. 11 JUDGE KELLY: There's been a motion made by 12 Commissioner Letz and seconded by Commissioner Harris 13 to either revise or establish a policy that department 14 heads sign off on their regular employees hours work. 15 Any other discussion about that? Those in favor raise 16 your hand. Unanimous, four zero. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only question we'll 18 have is if the Outside Auditors don't like that. 19 JUDGE KELLY: My experience with the Outside 20 Auditors is they are quick to let us know what they 21 don't like. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And if there's another 23 process and go into, that will be where the kink could 24 be. 25 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: You still need to just 76 1 say that y'all still have oversight on all those time 2 sheets. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, next item on the agenda 4 is item 1.17 consider, discuss and take appropriate 5 action to authorize County Judge or other designees to 6 sign agreements and all other instruments related to 7 authorizing the issuance, sale and delivery of 8 $2,105,000.00 in aggregate principal amount of Kerr 9 County, Texas Combination Tax and Surplus Revenue 10 Certificates of Obligation, Series 2019 for the Center 11 Point/East Kerr County Wastewater System Project, and 12 Grant Agreement with Texas Water Development Board in 13 the amount of $11,270.00(sic). 14 And for those of you that having heard this 15 once before. And it's simply a description. This was 16 on the agenda what, a couple weeks ago, a month ago. 17 And I know that the County Clerk and I signed reams of 18 documents. Not just one, but in the neighborhood of 19 dozens at least of documents, but apparently we didn't 20 meet the mark. I don't know. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, it's merely more 22 of a clarification to make sure we met the mark. There 23 are other -- some new documents came in, and they were 24 related but not specifically addressed in our last bunch 25 of paperwork, and I thought it was just cleaner to make 77 1 sure that there's an appropriate authority. 2 In addition to that going forward, and the 3 reason I worded it that way we had, other related 4 documents, is that Commissioner Moser and myself have 5 authority to do certain things under the grant as well. 6 As an example Commissioner Moser and I have authority -- 7 and both of us have to sign to approve disbursements. 8 It then goes through the Auditor's Office, and County 9 Attorney signs it. 10 And Commissioner Moser and I also have 11 authority to, I believe, it's to move dollars on line 12 items as long as we don't change anything in the budget. 13 And the reason we do that is there are so many documents 14 that come in under these programs that I thought it 15 would make sense to also add to this to authorize the 16 County Judge, and Commissioner Moser, and Commissioner 17 Letz to sign documents as previously approved since this 18 is a new grant. That was part of the reason that I 19 intended, unless the Court wants to change. 20 JUDGE KELLY: I think the intent is we've 21 already taken the money. We need to sign the 22 appropriate paperwork reflecting the obligations and our 23 responsibilities reflecting that, whatever they may be. 24 And I know that Jackie Dowdy and I have gone through a 25 bunch of this. If there's more of it that needs to be 78 1 done, whatever needs to be done to legitimate our bond 2 obligations and responsibilities with regard to this, I 3 definitely think we need to do do. If we got the medial 4 measures or additional paperwork, if it's required, and 5 in order for us to be compliant with these bonds that 6 have already been issued to us, then we definitely need 7 to comply. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So anyway, I'll make a 9 motion approving the agenda item just to make sure it 10 covers it completely. 11 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: One thing. Maybe I 12 heard it wrong. I think you said 11 thousand. I think 13 it -- 14 JUDGE KELLY: $11,270,000.00. I stand 15 corrected. It's a bigger number. 16 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I'll second. 17 JUDGE KELLY: Any other discussion? 18 So the public knows and the press, it's not 19 that we did anything wrong, we just want to make sure we 20 got our "I's" dotted and the "T's" crossed and the 21 proper paperwork is going to be signed. 22 So with that, raise your hand. Opposed? 23 Unanimous, four zero. 24 Okay, we're at the point in our agenda where 25 the next three items are in executive session. 79 1 (Executive Session.) 2 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, the Kerr County 3 Commissioners' Court is back in public session. It 4 is -- wow, 12:55, I'm sorry. What items do we have to 5 bring forward in public session? Is there anything on 6 1.18? I know we talked about a lot of things we said we 7 were going to do, but I don't believe there's any public 8 action we're going to take? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 10 JUDGE KELLY: 1.19 consider, discuss and 11 take appropriate action to hire a Public Relations 12 Officer. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay, I make a motion 14 to hire a Public Relations Officer, naming Lisa Walter 15 as Kerr County's very first Public Relations Director. 16 Director or an Officer, whichever we choose. And with a 17 start date of May the third. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is there a salary or 19 amount, or hourly rate or something? 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Not to exceed, I think 21 it was -- is it 40 hours a month, Jennifer? 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 29. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: 29 hours at least, 40 24 hours a month, wasn't it? 25 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: It can't exceed 29 80 1 hours per pay period. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So 29 hours per pay 3 period, not to exceed 29 hours per pay period. And I 4 think we finally settled on 20 dollars an hour. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 6 MRS. STEBBINS: Did you want to put a "not 7 to exceed" a certain number of hours per month? 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I believe it was 25 -- 9 I was thinking it was 25 hours per pay period, but 10 you're saying 29. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 29 is State Law. 12 MRS. STEBBINS: But you wanted to pay a 13 particular hourly rate, but my suggestion is so that you 14 say a certain number of hours a month so it stays within 15 the budgeted amount for that position. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. So that's 58 17 hours a month, is that right? That's 29 per pay period, 18 is that what you said? 19 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I think it's a maximum 20 of 50. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's what I thought 22 it was 25 per pay period. That's what we talked about 23 before. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I think it's 29. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Is that right, 81 1 Jennifer? 2 MRS. JENNIFER DOSS: I believe so. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Let's do it this way 4 then, that we hire today a Public Relations Officer, 5 part-time, not to exceed 25 hours per pay period, with a 6 start date of May third. Did I leave anything out? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Say that again. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Not to exceed 25 hours 9 per pay period, 50 hours a month at 20 dollars an hour, 10 starting May third. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 12 JUDGE KELLY: There's been a motion made by 13 Commissioner Belew, seconded by Commissioner Letz to 14 hire -- I believe you included Lisa Walters -- 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Lisa Walter. 16 JUDGE KELLY: -- in that, is that correct? 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes. 18 JUDGE KELLY: As the Public Relations 19 Officer for Kerr County to work 25 hours per pay period 20 and to start May the third. Is that the motion? 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yes, Sir. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Is there any discussion? 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll just make a comment 24 that one of the first tasks is the procedure. We don't 25 have a procedure and we want to work with you on that. 82 1 And there's been a lot of discussion as to how this 2 processing is going to work. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And we'll talk about 4 that. 5 MS. WALTER: Okay. 6 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. So my comments are I'm 7 going to be the no vote on this, Lisa, and it has 8 nothing to do with you. 9 MS. WALTER: Okay. 10 JUDGE KELLY: It has to do with this Court, 11 it has to do with the procedures. It has to do with a 12 lack of having what I consider to be adequate policies 13 in place as you undertake this new job, which I 14 understand is somewhat career change for you to be on 15 the information and advocacy side rather than the 16 seeking out the truth and reporting the news. 17 I have every confidence in your abilities, 18 and very impressed with your resume, very impressed with 19 your example you gave us with regard to announcing the 20 festival. As one of my colleagues on the court says, 21 instead of just ordering fajitas at Mamacita's, you 22 bring the sizzle and the smell all in the room at one 23 time, and that is certainly something this county needs. 24 My negative vote is not about you; it's about our lack 25 of procedure, and how this procedure that's gone into 83 1 how we got to where we are. The procedures that we 2 don't have in place going forward, so you can expect 3 that you will hear from me in the coming days and weeks 4 to get some kind of policy and procedure manual in place 5 so that we all know exactly what we're dealing with. 6 And now you can take me out of the law 7 practice, but you can't take the law out of me, and I'm 8 still looking for good rules make good neighbors. And 9 so I just wanted to forewarn you. 10 MS. WALTER: It's perfectly reasonable. 11 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, those in favor raise 12 your hand. That's three. And opposed? One. Three-one 13 vote. 14 Is there any other business before the 15 Court? 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. 17 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes. 18 JUDGE KELLY: This is 1.20 consider, discuss 19 and take appropriate action on consultation with 20 attorney regarding subdivision rules and enforcement. 21 MRS. STEBBINS: During the process of the 22 East Kerr Water Planning, this Court has agreed to adopt 23 and has adopted the Model Subdivision Rules, and in 24 order to get the grants and loans related to that 25 planning in East Kerr County, and I just wanted to 84 1 clarify that because of that adoption of the Model 2 Subdivision Rules, the those rules supersede local rules 3 related to exemptions from platting in subdivisions that 4 create a Lot less than five acres. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this is one point. 6 I think there are other areas where those rules 7 supersede ours. And the problem is, we adopted State 8 Law, chapter 232 under our subdivision rules. One part 9 of State Law supersedes another part of State Law. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Do they contradict? 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. It's just one says 12 it supersedes, so it says that basically 232, any 13 conflict between the Model Subdivision Rules and Chapter 14 232, 232 doesn't apply. So that has some other 15 consequences down the road so we're looking at -- and we 16 pretty much had to go to the Water Development Board's 17 attorney first, or we being Heather, to clarify these 18 inconsistencies and figure out exactly where we're 19 supposed to be, and that what has happened on this, and 20 there's some e-mail trails that answer those questions. 21 And she said that there's some -- she said 22 that just to back up that opinion there's some 23 legislation presently being considered that will firm 24 that up, that decision, but that those exemptions that 25 we have, or exceptions, to platting requirements will be 85 1 superseded by State Rules and the Model Subdivision 2 Rules. 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So anyway, but the 4 bottom line is -- and I'll make a motion. I'm going to 5 word mine differently than yours. 6 MRS. STEBBINS: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I make a motion that for 8 subdivisions, new subdivisions where any of the acreage 9 of the tracts is less than -- or tracts less than five 10 acres Section 1.03 of our Subdivision Rules do apply. 11 Section 1.03 lists the five state exemptions that are 12 listed in 232. And this is a good thing. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: This though has to do 14 with availability of water and everything? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This doesn't. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It doesn't? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. The good thing 18 about this, and I'll just give you one example, is that 19 one of those exemptions is that you can transfer 20 property to a relative to a certain degree, and avoid 21 platting. That has happened a lot in this county and 22 probably in lot of counties. It's been a problem 23 because then those people go to sell it, and all of a 24 sudden we have an illegal subdivision. Because it's 25 legal for them to do it, but they can't sell it to a 86 1 third party, and then you have to go back and enforce 2 it. This will clean it up from our standpoint, but it 3 will have some consequences as well. 4 MRS. STEBBINS: It creates less gray area 5 and it'll be easier for our Engineers, Environmental 6 Health, everyone to apply. 7 JUDGE KELLY: I'm confused. What are we 8 doing? 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're modifying our 10 Subdivision Rules saying that Section 1.03 does not 11 apply on any lots of less than five acres. 12 JUDGE KELLY: And we're doing that because 13 it's been superseded by State Law? 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 15 JUDGE KELLY: So we couldn't enforce them 16 anyway? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We'd be in violation of 18 one of them. We've adopted two sets of State Law, and 19 we'd be in violation of one of those if we don't do this 20 exemption. 21 MRS. STEBBINS: And we are -- 22 JUDGE KELLY: And gotta find out which one 23 we're going to follow? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have to follow the 25 Model Subdivision Rules to supersede our Chapter 232, 87 1 which will be adopted. 2 MRS. STEBBINS: And getting grant funding 3 and loans from Texas Water Development Board is 4 conditioned on our adoption and enforcement of the Model 5 Subdivision Rules. 6 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Any other discussion? 7 Those in favor raise your hand. Those opposed? I'm 8 abstaining, I'm still lost. I think this is a good 9 thing, but I'm really not sure. But I'm not going to 10 vote for something I'm not sure about. Is there any 11 other -- Ma'am? 12 MRS. STEBBINS: A few citizens in different 13 regards have asked questions about it and we're just 14 clarifying that this is the answer to those questions. 15 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, good. Any other 16 business before the Court today? 17 MRS. GRINSTEAD: Are you going to do 18 Sections IV and V? I don't know if we have monthly 19 reports to accept or -- we didn't do that before we went 20 into executive session. 21 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. So where are we? 22 MRS. GRINSTEAD: 4.4. 23 JUDGE KELLY: 4.1, any bills to pay? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Budget amendments? 88 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Late bills? 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 4 JUDGE KELLY: Accept monthly reports. 5 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I got 'em. Item 4.4 6 monthly reports. Texas Commission on Jail Standards/ 7 Inmates with Immigration Detainer for March, 2019, 8 Sheriff Rusty Hierholzer. Number 2 County Clerk's 9 report to County Treasurer for March, 2019, County Clerk 10 Jackie "JD" Dowdy. Number 3, District Clerk's general 11 fund report for March, 2019. District Clerk, Dawn 12 Lantz, number 4 fines, judgments and jury fees collected 13 in March of 2019. JP 2, J.R. Hoyne, number 5, fines, 14 judgments and jury fees collected in March of 2019. JP 15 3, Kathy Mitchell, number 6 is judgments and jury fees 16 collected in February, 2019, and March of 2019. JP 4 17 Bill Ragsdale, it is number 7, March of 2019. Monthly 18 reports from Constable Precinct 1, Tommy Rodriguez, 19 number 8, March 2019. Monthly report from Constable 20 Precinct 2, Kyle Schneider. And the last one 9 is 21 February, 2019 and March, 2019 Indigent Services report 22 from Human Resources, Director Jennifer Doss. 23 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is that a motion? 24 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move that we approve 25 as read. 89 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Harris has moved, 3 and Commissioner Letz has seconded to approve those 4 reports. Any other discussion? Those in favor raise 5 your hand. Four zero. 6 5.1 reports from Liaison Commissioners? Any 7 Liaison Commissioner reports? 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: No. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 10 JUDGE KELLY: Reports from elected officials 11 and department heads? 12 Reports from boards, commissions or 13 committees? 14 Any update on the East Kerr County 15 Wastewater Project? 16 Okay, there being no further business 17 Commissioners' Court is adjourned. 18 * * * * * * 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 90 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County, do hereby certify that 6 the above and foregoing pages contain and comprise a 7 true and correct transcription of the proceedings had in 8 the above-entitled Commissioners' Court. 9 Dated this the 23rd day of April, A.D. 2019. 10 11 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 No. 953 Expiration Date 04/31/2020 13 * * * * * * 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25