1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, April 27, 2020 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: ROB KELLY, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Precinct 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Precinct 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Precinct 3 25 DON HARRIS, Commissioner Precinct 4 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Commissioner's Comments. 4 4 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 8 action regarding an update, facility use, 5 and other matters related to COVID-19. 6 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 14 action regarding the Local State of 7 Disaster Due to a Public Health and Economic Emergency Proclamation that was 8 signed by Judge Kelly on March 24, 2020 and "extended until terminated by order 9 of the Kerr County Commissioners' Court" on March 30, 2020. 10 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 17 11 action to approve a Resolution honoring Judge N. Keith Williams for his dedicated 12 service as the 216th State District Judge. 13 1.4 (Passed.) 14 2.1 Pay Bills. 20 15 2.2 Budget Amendments. 20 16 2.5 Accept Monthly Reports. 21 17 2.6 Court Orders. 22 18 1.5 Public Hearing to cancel the Revision of 24 Plat for Horizon Section One, Lot 36R, Plat 19 File #19-00762. 20 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 24 action for the Court to cancel the Revision 21 of Plat for Horizon Section One, Lot 36R, Plat File #19-00762. 22 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 25 23 action for the Court to waive platting oversight and approval to the City of 24 Kerrville for an amending plat for Saddlewood Estates Section One, Block 1, 25 Lots 8 and 9, Volume 6, Page 319. 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 27 action for the Court to set a Public 4 Hearing for 10 a.m., June 8, 2020 for a Revision of Plat for Vistas Escondidas 5 de Cypress Springs Estates, Lots 108 and 109, Volume 7, Pages 363-364. 6 1.9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 28 7 action to approve Resolution, Letter of Intent, to apply for a grant from the 8 Texas Indigent Defense Commission for a Regional Public Defender's Office. 9 *** Adjournment. 45 10 *** Reporter's Certificate. 46 11 * * * * * * 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 4 1 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Court will come to 2 order. This is Monday, April the 27th, 2020, and the 3 Kerr County Commissioners' Court is now in session, and 4 our first Zoom Commissioners' Court meeting. And we 5 don't have the flag here with us. None of us are in the 6 courtroom except Dub Thomas. So we'll forego the Pledge 7 today, but we will have Commissioner Moser lead us in 8 prayer, if you would please. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. Bow 10 with me and pray with me if you will please. 11 (Prayer.) 12 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Just a reminder, if you 13 have your cell phones, at least try to mute them so that 14 only you can hear them so we don't interrupt the 15 meeting. 16 The next item on our agenda is public input, 17 is there anybody that has public input for us today? 18 The phone number has been published on the 19 agenda so that the public has access to call into that 20 number, and that is being manned by the Court 21 Coordinator, she has the phone to receive the call and 22 we take it into the courtroom and put it at the podium 23 so that the public can hear what you have to say. 24 Since I don't hear anybody at this point, 25 I'm going to go ahead and move on to Commissioner's 5 1 Comments. I understand that Commissioner Belew is in 2 the courtroom, is that correct? 3 VOICE: That's right. 4 JUDGE KELLY: Let me start with you, 5 Commissioner's comments. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I don't have anything 7 to report. 8 JUDGE KELLY: And Commissioner Moser. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. In Precinct 2, 10 we're still proceeding for getting the petition signed 11 so that we can get on the November ballot. The 12 option -- or to address the issue of alcoholic sales in 13 Precinct 2. 14 I will note that Representative Andrew Murr 15 last week sent a letter to the Governor asking that he 16 consider waiving applicable statutes so individuals can 17 electronically sign the petition for the local liquor 18 option. We appreciate Andy Murr doing that for us. 19 Hopefully, this could be done. It's been done in the 20 State of Utah and the State of New Jersey. So that that 21 could be very very helpful. Otherwise, I don't think 22 we'll be able to get that petition signed by going door 23 to door, people won't want it, and those that are trying 24 to get the petition signed don't want to do it, so 25 anyway that's -- we appreciate Andrew Murr doing that 6 1 for all of the folks in Precinct 2. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. 3 Commissioner Letz. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The only comment I have 5 is I'm hearing more and more people that are looking 6 forward to us beginning to start opening things up. And 7 largely going to be dependent, I think, on the Governor 8 today what he says. But there's a lot of interest for 9 us to, you know, start getting back to work a little 10 bit. And I see kind of an outline more and more people 11 breaking the rule a little bit and doing -- but I think 12 that it, you know, it's a move forward is probably the 13 right direction to go right now. 14 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Harris. 15 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Well, I sort of echo 16 what Commissioner Letz said. I know people are ready to 17 get back to work. I know the people that are high risk 18 should continue staying at home or whatever and take 19 precautions. I think a month into this, people were 20 doing as much as they're going to do as far as 21 precautions and stuff, so I think we can go about 22 business. And I look forward to hearing from the 23 Governor today. Hopefully he's going to give us that 24 flexibility, so we'll see. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, thank you. 7 1 My comments are all to remind the public to 2 tune in for the Governor's announcement. Today's the 3 day is the day he said he was going to share his 4 recommendations from his Task Force Committee. This is 5 for the strategy on how we're going to reopen the 6 economy, so I want on encourage everyone to do that. 7 Secondly, I want -- on a personal note, I 8 want to show that I do have my mask here. I do not have 9 it on because I'm in the privacy of my office behind 10 closed doors, but I'm still wearing a mask in public. 11 Lastly, I want to apologize. I had hoped to 12 have a proposed budget ready by to -- this week. I 13 don't. We're putting some finishing touches on it. 14 You'll see on the screen where it says Tanya. That's 15 Tanya Shelton, our County Auditor. And I should be 16 ready to roll that out next Monday. So that's all I 17 have to say before we get on with the agenda. 18 Now, for the public that's looking at this 19 YouTube screen, we've got Commissioner Belew in the 20 courtroom. We don't have a camera on in the courtroom 21 itself. There's one at the podium. An you'll see -- 22 where is the podium? There it is. You can see down 23 here -- I don't know where it is on your screen, but on 24 the left-hand side you'll see Dub Thomas in a minute 25 when we call that agenda item. And then you got 8 1 Commissioner Moser and Commissioner Letz beside me. You 2 got Sheriff Hierholzer over here. County Attorney, 3 Heather Stebbins down here, and this is Jackie Dowdy. 4 These are faces that you don't always see. Charlie 5 Hastings is our County Engineer. Tanya Shelton is -- 6 her video is off, that's our County Auditor. Deb 7 Gifford is our Court Reporter, she's taking this down. 8 Kelly Hoffer is our Road & Bridge Department. Jane R is 9 the Deputy Partner. And where you see Rob's iPad, 10 that's my iPad, and we have Jody Grinstead, our Court 11 Coordinator on that. And on the phone, I'm not sure who 12 we've got on the phone, but we'll find out and let you 13 know. Anyway, that's just to get you familiar with the 14 screen. 15 What we're going to do now is start the 16 agenda. I'm going to call item 1.1 consider, discuss 17 and take appropriate action regarding update, facility 18 use and other matters related to COVID-19. Dub Thomas. 19 MR. THOMAS: Good morning, Judge. Good 20 morning, Commissioners. Once again, we have our 21 situation report. This is our 7th report for Kerr 22 County. Our EOC activation level is still currently 23 activated. All positions are full, or have been filled. 24 We're operating at an increased readiness level. Annex 25 H Health and Medical is implemented, and we're currently 9 1 operating at Phase 3 of the Pandemic Plan. 2 Again, the EOC is operating with full staff, 3 but we all work remotely in order to honor the social 4 distancing. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dub, tell us what 6 public what EOC is. 7 MR. THOMAS: Emergency Operations Center. 8 The Call Center continues to be open for citizens 9 needing information. The current situation as it stands 10 today, on April 17th, 2020 Governor Abbott issued an 11 Executive Order to provide Texas with an outline for 12 reopening the State for business. Starting at 12:01 13 a.m. Friday, this past Friday, April the 24th, retail 14 services that are not "essential services", but that may 15 be provided through pickup, delivery by mail, or 16 delivery to the customer's doorstep in strict compliance 17 with the terms required by DSHS. And those business 18 requirements can be found on the DSHS website. 19 Starting April 20th, all State Parks were 20 opened -- reopened for public use. GA-16 authorized 21 Retail-to-go effective this past Friday, April the 24th. 22 And GA-15 allowed certain elective surgeries to be 23 conducted starting April 22nd under certain 24 restrictions. 25 COVID-19 continues to spread according to 10 1 DSHS, they call it exponentially, but it's rapid spread, 2 active across Texas. Figures from DSHS case numbers 3 that you have there below you. Texas has had 24,631 4 cases. U.S. total 928,619. And the world 2.9 million. 5 Total deaths for Texas 648. 52,549 for the 6 U.S. 207,000 deaths worldwide. Total recovered -- 7 these numbers are pretty interesting, if you'll look at 8 for Texas and the U.S.A., both of those numbers from 9 last week have doubled. 10,763 for Texas. For the 10 United States 118,781. And in the world 882,000 people 11 have recovered from COVID-19. 12 Testing in Texas continues. For total tests 13 there's been 276,201 tests. Of that 265,000 have been 14 done by private labs. Public labs have done 10,823 15 tests. 16 For the surrounding counties, including Kerr 17 County. Kendall County is at 16. Medina is 19 with two 18 fatalities. Llano 3. Blanco 6. Burnet County has 19 jumped to 14. Kerr County is -- that number that you 20 have there in front you have says 6. That is incorrect. 21 The Statewide DSHS numbers showed 6, but the Region 8 22 numbers show 5, and one was reported in Kerr County is 23 an error. They're actually in Harris County. 24 JUDGE KELLY: To clarify, Kerr County is 5. 25 MR. THOMAS: Correct, Kerr County is 5. 11 1 Gillespie County is 1. Bandera is 6. The Region 8 2 number total active for the entire operating period, has 3 been 1,590. 622 have recovered. 61 deaths. 4 Operational Priorities. Public safety 5 continues to be the top priority. We're going to 6 continue to provide timely, accurate information to the 7 public concerning the spread of the virus and ways to 8 avoid becoming infected. 9 Will continue to work with the City of 10 Kerrville Emergency Management, Kerrville Fire 11 Department, EMS, Peterson Regional Emergency Management 12 and Infection Control in developing tactics for testing, 13 isolation and treatment of infected persons or persons 14 under monitoring. 15 PPE is still coming albeit slow. I picked 16 up a lot last week that will be used by the Kerrville 17 Fire Department, EMS to distribute to some of the local 18 nursing facilities and long-care facilities around the 19 County that are running short of PPE. 20 Mobile testing continues at 0900 at the Hill 21 Country Youth Event Center for appointments only. Last 22 week -- well, total, they had sent 106 samples off for 23 testing. 48 screenings from Peterson Regional. 50 24 screenings from Outreach Clinic. And since we started, 25 we've had 328 total screens, and 328 total COVID-19 12 1 tests. And all have returned back negative. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: That's an important 3 thing Dub said. 328 screenings sent in for testing, all 4 negative. 5 MR. THOMAS: Yes, sir. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, good. Thank you. 7 MR. THOMAS: Public Education and Outreach. 8 Peterson Regional has established a line for talking 9 with a nurse. 896-4200, extension 1 for those 10 individuals who believe they are sick. 11 Kerr County, City of Kerrville EOC has 12 established and is manned with a number of volunteers 13 that can respond to FAQ's, or frequently asked 14 questions. That number 258-1111, and is operating 15 Monday through Friday 8 to 5 for individuals that have 16 questions about cancelled local events, closed offices, 17 schools. Anything that may be coming out with the 18 Governor's conference calls the next couple of case 19 days, that information will be there for anybody has a 20 question. 21 Last week there were 64 COVID-19 related 22 calls. Kerrville -- I'm sorry, City of Kerrville and 23 Kerr County's website continue to be updated with links 24 to Peterson Regional, Centers for Disease Control, and 25 the Department of State Health Services websites. 13 1 We've established a list of recovery 2 resources to assist citizens and businesses, local 3 businesses, with information for assistance with food, 4 utilities, rental assistance, as well as the Small 5 Business Administration's loan process. 6 Again all that is listed on the Kerr 7 County's website and the City of Kerrville's website. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So, Dub, the question 9 is the best website for citizens of Kerr County to get 10 information, the latest information, on the Kerr County 11 website? Is that the best place? 12 MR. THOMAS: I recommend either the Kerr 13 County website, or the City of Kerrville's website. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So any time -- so it's 15 updated as any new information comes in, is that 16 correct? 17 MR. THOMAS: That's correct. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay, thank you. 19 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Hey, Dub, I didn't 20 want to interrupt you while you were going through this. 21 But for clarification on Kerr County numbers, you know, 22 I heard last week we got got 3 new cases. But is that 23 wrong, because we only have 5? 24 MR. THOMAS: That is incorrect. 2 cases 25 belong to Bandera County, and the third one, the 14 1 individual has actually been incarcerated in Harris 2 County since 2005, but it shows Kerr County is his 3 primary permanent residence. Yeah, I know. I don't 4 know whether to say incarcerated -- I don't know that 5 he's actually in jail, or they're using that as talking 6 about just being living in Houston that he's 7 incarcerated, but he shows Kerr County as his permanent 8 residence. 9 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Gotcha. All right, I 10 appreciate that, Dub. 11 MR. THOMAS: Yes, sir. Any other questions? 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Dub, one other question 13 if I may. Is Peterson doing elective services now? 14 MR. THOMAS: They've been authorized to do 15 that as of the 22nd, according to Governor Abbott's 15th 16 Executive Order, but I don't know whether they've 17 started that yet or not. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 19 MR. THOMAS: I'm sure they're probably going 20 through rescheduling and all that stuff. 21 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you very much, Dub. 22 Next item on the agenda is 1.2 consider, 23 discuss and take appropriate action regarding the Local 24 State of Disaster Due to a Public Health and Economic 25 Emergency Proclamation that was signed by me on March 15 1 the 24th, and "extended until terminated by order of the 2 Kerr County Commissioner's Court" on March 30, 2020. I 3 keep that on the agenda every week. I just want to 4 remind everyone that that State of Disaster is still in 5 effect. Any other comments about that? 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: If I may just add to 7 the comments that Commissioner Letz and others made, is 8 you know, the public is being done great harm by the 9 virus itself, but also by the economic shutdown that we 10 have, so hopefully the Governor's going to have some 11 guidelines that enable the community to economically get 12 on a better footing and to begin to open up. 13 You know, I think it's going to get down to 14 the point where individuals that are more highly at 15 higher risk are going to have to take care of themself, 16 and let those at a lower risk proceed with the -- so 17 hopefully that will come out of that. 18 I don't know -- I don't know that that has 19 anything to do particularly with our situation that, 20 Judge, that you have an Emergency Disaster -- or a 21 Disaster Proclamation in place, but I think that simply 22 said, we're going to follow the Governor's guidelines. 23 JUDGE KELLY: Yes. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Comment that I'm wearing 25 my Little League hat for a moment. The Little League 16 1 Board, Executive Board, is going to meet tomorrow night, 2 I know, and they're trying to figure out what to do with 3 the season. And this is really more since the -- one of 4 the facilities have not -- the only facility that may be 5 used would be the county fields. And does the Court 6 have any opinion about the deferring to the Little 7 League Executive Board as to what is done out there as 8 long as they can figure out a way to do it in compliance 9 with social distancing? 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Well, me for one, you 11 know, being a PBR fan and I watched a virtual bull 12 riding last night on television where they made it work. 13 The stands were empty, but they had people pulling 14 ropes, and you know, masks on, and clowns with masks on 15 and everything. But they limited it to like six people 16 that could be in there at one time, so precautions can 17 be made, and we can go forward. 18 And I really think we need to get back to 19 life in general. People at high risk still need to take 20 the precautions and that's going to be an individual's 21 choice, whether they go back to work, or stay at home. 22 But I think we're going to have to put it back in 23 people's hands to figure out how we're going to to this, 24 with precautions, and get back to living our life. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I agree with what Don 17 1 said a hundred percent. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So I take that to mean 3 that if Little League feels they can figure out a safe 4 way to do it the County does not have an issue with 5 using the county fields. 6 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: That would be my vote. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mine too. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Okay. All right. Just 9 waned to get direction. 10 JUDGE KELLY: I would remind everyone that 11 we are complying with the Governor's Executive Orders. 12 And our State of Disaster is a mirror of his 13 declaration. And this is not the time to get complacent 14 about our social distancing. This is the time where we 15 really need to -- we want to get back to normal, but I 16 think social distancing seems kind of the new normal. 17 So I encourage everyone to still maintain social 18 distancing and practice safe hygiene. 19 So with that, let's go on to the next item 20 on the agenda, and I -- Jody, I think you can hear me. 21 I think we left that out there on the counter. You 22 might want to bring that to my office. But it's 1.3 23 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 24 a Resolution honoring Judge N. Keith Williams for his 25 dedicated service as the 216th State District Judge. 18 1 We have a Resolution that we're passing 2 around to the Commissioners. I was going to read it. 3 Bear with me while I step outside to pick it up. 4 Sorry. The Resolution -- it's a Resolution 5 of appreciation to Judge N. Keith Williams. 12 years of 6 service as the 216th State District Judge and his 7 dedicated service to the residents of Kerr County. 8 Whereas, N. Keith Williams has served the 9 citizens of the State of Texas as a licensed attorney by 10 the State Bar of Texas for 42 years. 11 Whereas, the Honorable N. Keith Williams 12 served with distinction for 12 years as the Judge of the 13 216th Judicial District of the Great State of Texas; and 14 Whereas, Judge Williams has exhibited 15 integrity, wisdom, diligence and compassion in service 16 to the citizens of Kerr County and the State of Texas; 17 and 18 Whereas, Judge Williams has actively worked 19 as a member of the Kerr County Juvenile Board toward the 20 just and proper administration of Juvenile Justice; and 21 Whereas, Judge Williams has diligently 22 served as the Administrative Judge for Kerr County;. 23 Now, therefore be it resolved that the Kerr 24 County Commissioners' Court commends and thanks Judge N. 25 Keith Williams for his many years for outstanding 19 1 service as an accomplished and dedicated jurist. 2 Be it further resolved that an appropriate 3 copy of this Resolution be prepared for presentation to 4 Judge Williams. 5 Adopted this 27th day of April, 2020. 6 I've already signed it, and I will deliver 7 it to the other Commissioners to sign. So I will ask 8 that we approve this Resolution in appreciation for 9 Judge Williams. 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, I made the motion and 13 seconded by Commissioner Harris. Is there any further 14 discussion with the Resolution? Those in favor raise 15 your hand or say aye. The Resolution passes. 16 Item 1.4 on the agenda consider, discuss -- 17 oh, we're going to pass that one, right? 18 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yes. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. We don't have 20 another -- anything else on the agenda until ten 21 o'clock. So it's a timed item. And just to give the 22 public a preview of what's coming up, we have a -- we 23 have four timed items at ten o'clock, they'll take just 24 a few minutes each, and then we have another 25 specifically time item at 10:30, which is to discuss the 20 1 Public Defender's Office. And we will have participants 2 on that call, I know calling in from other counties. 3 So at this time, I'm going to go ahead and 4 mute -- 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, can we -- why 6 don't we do the rest of the approval agenda. Can we do 7 that? 8 JUDGE KELLY: Yeah, we can. Let's go to -- 9 let's skip down to item 2.1. Miss Shelton, pay bills. 10 Tanya. James. Item 2.1 pay the bills. There you go. 11 There you go. 12 MRS. SHELTON: Invoices for Kerr County 13 $633,513.45. The Airport, $23,225.62. Adult Probation, 14 $14,248.72. Juvenile Probation, $18,321.00. And 15 District Clerk fee, $760.62. 16 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move to approve the 17 bills. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 19 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: To pay the bills. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 21 Commissioner Harris, second by Commissioner to pay the 22 bills as presented. Any further discussion? Those in 23 favor say aye or raise your hand. 24 Okay, move to 2.2. budget amendments. 25 MRS. SHELTON: We have two budget 21 1 amendments. We're transferring money from jail salaries 2 to pay their overtime. These are from open positions. 3 Also, for the Sheriff's Office, the same 4 thing, they have open positions and regular salaries, 5 and we're transferring it to the overtime line to pay 6 for the overtime. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 10 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 11 approve the budget amendments as presented. Any further 12 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand or say aye. 13 Unanimous. 14 Any late bills, Miss Shelton? 15 MRS. SHELTON: There are not any. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. No auditor reports? 17 MRS. SHELTON: There are not any. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Commissioner Harris, 19 monthly reports. 20 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: All right. For March 21 2020, Animal Control Services, Director Reagan Givens. 22 County Clerk, Jackie JD Dowdy. District Clerk, Dawn 23 Lantz. Payroll approval month ending March 2020, County 24 Treasurer Tracy Soldan. And Treasurer's report, County 25 Treasurer Tracy Soldan. I move for approval of the 22 1 monthly reports. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, and I'll second that. 3 Motion's been made by Commissioner Harris, I seconded to 4 approve the monthly reports. Those in favor say aye or 5 raise your hand. 6 Okay, Court Orders. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yes. We have court 8 orders from our April 20th meeting, Court Orders 38055 9 through 38059. They all look to be in order. I'll make 10 a motion to approve. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, motion's been made by 13 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 14 approve the Court Orders as presented. Any further 15 discussion? Those in favor say aye or raise your hand. 16 The Court Orders are approved. 17 Information agenda. Status reports from any 18 Department Heads? 19 Okay then, let's move on to 3.2 status 20 reports from any Elected Officials. 21 Then let's move on to status reports from 22 Liaison Commissioners. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I have something, 24 Judge. At the airport, the Airport is open to business. 25 The fixed base operator is there servicing things. 23 1 Probably fuel sales are down, but I think it's important 2 to know that our airport is open. Other airports are 3 not open for the FBO services, it was reported by some 4 of the flyers around here, or some of the pilots, so 5 that's good for Kerr County. 6 And as far as the library's concerned, 7 they're not open to the public, they're dealing with 8 things electronically. However, in their -- and they're 9 doing an inventory of 60 thousand items in the library, 10 so they're taking advantage of this down time with 11 public interaction. That's about all. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. I don't believe we have 13 anything for Executive Session, do we? 14 MRS. STEBBINS: Not that I know of. 15 JUDGE KELLY: I saw shaking of heads, that's 16 a no, right? 17 MRS. STEBBINS: Correct. 18 JUDGE KELLY: So with that, we're going to 19 take a brief break -- actually going to be almost a 20 30-minute break. 25-minute break. And we'll come back 21 at ten o'clock and we will handle the County Engineer's 22 agenda items, and I think Road & Bridge. And then at 23 10:30, we will have -- which is a timed item, we will 24 discuss the Public Defender's Office with the Texas 25 Indigent Defense Commission. 24 1 So with that, if you would, I would 2 recommend that you mute your microphones and stop your 3 videos until we reconvene at ten o'clock. I'm not 4 ending the meeting. 5 (Break.) 6 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, Court is back in 7 session, and it is ten o'clock. The next item on the 8 agenda is 1.5, the public hearing to cancel the Revision 9 of Plat for Horizon Section One, Lot 36R. So this is a 10 public meeting. I'm calling the public meeting to 11 order. Is there anyone who would like to appear or for 12 any insight or comment about the revision of plat for 13 Horizon Section One, Lot 36R. 14 There being no one, I will adjourn the 15 public meeting and we'll move on to item 1.6 consider, 16 discuss and take appropriate action for the Court to 17 cancel the revision of plat for Horizon Section One, 18 Lot 36R. Charlie Hastings. 19 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you, Judge. This 20 proposal cancels the Revision of Plat for Horizon 21 Section One, Lot 36R, which is Plat File #19-00762, 22 which combined Lots 36 and 37. This proposed plat 23 cancellation returns Lot 36R, which is 14.15 acres, to 24 Lot 36, which is 7.6 acres, and 37, 6.55 acres as 25 previously platted in Volume 6, Page 391. These Lots 25 1 are in the floodplain and must meet floodplain 2 development regulations. 3 County Engineer requests the Court cancel 4 the Revision of Plat for Horizon Section One, Lot 36R, 5 Plat File #19-00762, Precinct 1. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move for approval. 7 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Motion was made by 9 Commissioner Belew, and who was the second? 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I think I did. 11 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Second by Commissioner 12 Harris to cancel the Revision of Plat for Horizon 13 Section One, Lot 36R. Any discussion? Those in favor 14 say aye or raise your hand. Okay, motion carries. 15 Item 1.7 consider, discuss and take 16 appropriate action for the Court to waive platting 17 oversight and approval to the City of Kerrville for an 18 amending plat for Saddlewood Estates Section One, Block 19 1, Lots 8 and 9. Charlie Hastings. 20 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. These Lots are 21 located in the Kerrville extra territorial jurisdiction 22 and would typically be platted through both the City of 23 Kerrville and Kerr County simultaneously. However, in 24 an effort to be more efficient and save owner dollars, 25 there is a request to only plat this property through 26 1 Kerrville and for the Court to waive their right of 2 oversight and approval for the plat. 3 The owner wishes to combine Lots 8, 3.26 4 acres, and 9, 3.25 acres. The Environment Health 5 Department will remain involved in the review process 6 with the City of Kerrville, and will require a signature 7 block on the plat. 8 The County Engineer recommends the requests 9 be granted. So the County Engineer requests the Court 10 waive platting oversight and approval to the City of 11 Kerrville for an amending plat of Saddlewood Estates, 12 Section One, Block 1, Lots 8 and 9, Volume 6, Page 319, 13 Precinct 1. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Charlie, how does that 15 get recorded for the county? 16 MR. HASTINGS: It still is brought to the -- 17 excuse me, to the County Clerk and she records it, and 18 then we get a copy of it. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. I move for 20 approval. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, motions been made by 23 Commissioner Belew, and seconded by Commissioner Moser 24 to approve waiving platting oversight and approval to 25 the City of Kerrville for an amending plat for 27 1 Saddlewood Estates Section One, Block 1, Lots 8 and 9. 2 Any further discussion? Okay, those in favor raise your 3 hand or say aye. Motion carries. 4 1.8 consider, discuss and take appropriate 5 action for the Court to set a Public Hearing for 10 a.m. 6 on June 8, 2020 for a Revision of Plat for Vistas 7 Escondidas de Cypress Springs Estates, Lots 108 and 109. 8 Charlie Hastings. 9 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. This proposal 10 combines Lot 108, which is 2.15 acres, and 109, 1.69 11 acres into Lot 108R, 3.84 acres. Access to the proposed 12 lot will be from Cypress Estates Parkway and Walnut 13 Parkway. 14 Because there are currently two lots, I am 15 requiring a note on the plat allowing a maximum of two 16 lots with this plat should the owner later decide to 17 cancel the Revision of Plat, which we had an example of 18 that just a few moments ago. 19 The County Engineer requests the Court 20 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to set a 21 Public Hearing for 10 a.m. on June 8, 2020 for a 22 Revision of Plat for Vistas Escondidas de Cypress 23 Springs Estates, Lots 108 and 109, Volume 7, Pages 24 363-364, Precinct 4. 25 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move for approval. 28 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, motion's been made by 3 Commissioner Harris, seconded by Commissioner Belew to 4 approve setting the Public Hearing for Vistas Escondidas 5 de Cypress Springs Estates for 10 a.m. on June the 8th, 6 2020. Any further discussion? Those in favor say aye 7 or raise your hand. Okay, motion carries, public meetgo 8 will be set. 9 The last thing on our agenda today is a 10 timed item at 10:30, and we will be in recess and 11 reconvene at 10:30 to discuss the Public Defender's 12 Office. So I'm going to mute everybody, and I'm going 13 to turn off my video for the time being. This. 14 (Recess.) 15 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, it is 10:30 and I'm 16 going to reconvene. The Court will come back to order. 17 We've had several people join us on the line here, and I 18 would ask anybody that's recently joined if you would 19 just identify yourselves so everybody knows who's on the 20 line. 21 JUDGE SCHUCHART: Chris Schuchart, Medina 22 County Judge. 23 JUDGE KELLY: All right. 24 MR. EHLERS: Scott Ehlers with the Texas 25 Indigent Defense Commission. 29 1 JUDGE KELLY: Geoff's on now. 2 MR. BURKHART: Hi. How y'all doing? 3 JUDGE KELLY: Good. Keep monitoring the 4 door over here and see if anybody else comes in. Try to 5 get everybody on as soon as we can. 6 The last item on the agenda is 1.9, which is 7 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 8 a Resolution, letter of intent, to apply for a grant 9 from the Texas Indigent Defense Commission for a 10 Regional Public Defender's Office. 11 We've talked about this before, and I -- I 12 brought the Court up to speed, just reminding you 13 that -- I guess a little over a week ago, wasn't it 14 Jeff, that we had our conference call with all the 15 judges? 16 MR. BURKHART: I think that's right. 17 JUDGE KELLY: And at that time the decision 18 was coming back to each of our respective courts and 19 request a Resolution of Intent to file this application. 20 I want to quantify this is just a letter of intent; this 21 is not the actual application itself. That's what we're 22 going to be working on. And at the time Judge Schuchart 23 already has the approval for the Resolution from his 24 Court. Is that right, Judge Schuchart? 25 JUDGE SCHUCHART: That is correct. 30 1 JUDGE KELLY: And I now have a copy of 2 Judge Evans signature to the Resolution on behalf of 3 Bandera County. And I don't know, do we have anybody 4 here from either Gillespie or Kendall County on the 5 phone at this time? Geoff, do you know the status of 6 Kendall or Gillespie County? 7 MR. BURKHART: And I don't know, but I think 8 they're in the same place as Kerr, that they're looking 9 at it this week. 10 MR. EHLERS: I believe Kendall is going to 11 be considering a Resolution later today, is my 12 understanding. 13 JUDGE KELLY: So Kendall is considering it 14 today also? 15 MR. EHLERS: I think so, yeah. 16 JUDGE KELLY: So then that would just leave 17 Gillespie, and I haven't heard from Judge Stroeher from 18 our conference call. 19 Okay, so let me open the door up. I think 20 everybody's seen the proposal. We've had some updated 21 data I've got that TIDC has crunched for us, and 22 circulated. I think Heather's got a memo out with some 23 of her concerns about these that we need to talk about, 24 so just let me open the door up for whoever wants to go 25 first, wherever we go with this. 31 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: My original or basic 2 question is, how binding is the Resolution we're looking 3 at today, and how -- you know -- and there seems to be 4 two different directions if we choose to move forward. 5 One's through the non-profit version, and one's through 6 the regional mechanism. And how much flexibility do we 7 have to choose those two in the future, and then budget 8 impact is probably the biggest concern I have, how we 9 work it into the system. So how does -- how do all 10 those play into the basic Resolution that we have before 11 us today? 12 MR. BURKHART: I can answer part of that and 13 I'll hand you over to Scott to talk about the 14 non-profit versus the county model. You know, I mean 15 our deadline is going to be May 11th, that's just a 16 priority deadline, so it doesn't have to be in by then. 17 But if we can get it sometime in June, I think early 18 June, that would be preferable. County Commissioners -- 19 or Commissioners' Court Resolution, you know. 20 How much does it bind you? Really not at 21 all, you know. This happens on a very rare occasion 22 where we go through all the steps and the Board goes 23 ahead and gives a grant, and then the county doesn't 24 accept it. So I mean we can even go through all these 25 steps, y'all can apply for it, we can review it, our 32 1 board can approve it, and we send it back to you to 2 basically to accept the grant at the end of the day. So 3 once you get that on your lap, you can decide not even 4 to accept it. So you can basically pull out at any 5 time. 6 And Scott, as far as the county versus 7 non-profit. 8 MR. EHLERS: Well, y'all don't have to make 9 a decision today. Frankly, you don't even have to make 10 a decision today. Frankly, you don't have to make a 11 decision in the application you submit. I think it 12 would be preferable if you did have a decision made on 13 the application, but if you are still contemplating 14 which direction to go, you can even put in the 15 application that we are, you know, deciding what is 16 better, going with a non-profit model versus the county 17 department model, you know. I would, you know, base the 18 budget on somewhere in the ballpark of, I think is what 19 we've developed for you for a county department. But if 20 you ended up deciding, you know, between the point of 21 which you've applied and when you got the grant funding 22 that you wanted to go with the county department, you 23 can do that. We would just ask if you were to do that, 24 that in your application you lay out the criteria on how 25 you're going to make that decision. 33 1 Like I said, I think the preference would be 2 because it would be, you know, clearer and I think it 3 would be a stronger application if you have made that 4 decision beforehand, but it's not -- it's not necessary. 5 And for the purposes of the Resolution today, this 6 Resolution is really just to, you know, tell the other 7 counties that, you know, Kerr County wants to move 8 forward, you know, with the thought that ultimately the 9 lead county, and whatever county that's gogo to be the 10 lead will need to submit, you know, a separate 11 Resolution to the effect of, you know, we are -- this is 12 our agreement that we want an application to submit. 13 (Audio is off.) 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Where are we with the 15 state funding looking at the crystal ball? 16 MR. BURKHART: Yeah, that's a good question. 17 So we're trying to model out. Actually our Advance 18 Manager, Edwin Colfax and I have been modeling out 19 different scenarios. And what we're -- and I mean when 20 you say crystal ball, Commissioner, I mean that's -- 21 that's right. I mean a lot of it is just kind of 22 speculation on our part. 23 We will almost definitely have our budget 24 cut. I think that the two questions that we're trying 25 to figure out are one, when is it going to be cut, and 34 1 two, by how much. And I think the one question, I think 2 there are two answers to. I think one we could be cut 3 in the interim, which will happen probably sometime this 4 summer. 5 Two, it could be cut in the legislative 6 session, and so that would happen somewhere between 7 January and June of next year. How much -- the best -- 8 you know, our best guess is that we're probably looking 9 at 10, 15 or 20 percent cuts. 10 You know, the good news is if you model that 11 out, what that means is, you know, we're probably going 12 to have to tighten up a little bit on our formula 13 grants, which are basically the money that's spread 14 around the state. We'll probably have to tighten up a 15 little bit on our improvement grants, which is something 16 like this would come from, you know, your public 17 defender office. But as we model it out right now, if 18 we're talking 10 to 15 to 20 percent, we still do have 19 some money that we could use for a public defender's 20 office. 21 I guess the only other thing I'd say about 22 that is our biggest priority -- you know, once y'all 23 would be locked into something if you wanted to go 24 forward with this, our highest priority is meeting our 25 obligations. So for instance, you know, we have a grant 35 1 with -- I'm trying to just pick one like that's a 2 comparable size county. There's about ten counties in 3 South Texas actually through Texas RioGrande Legal Aid. 4 Five counties in West Texas do a county model. Our 5 biggest priority budget wise is to make sure that we're 6 meeting those obligations. 7 So and then after that, that may mean that, 8 you know, a little bit of money comes out of formula 9 grants, unfortunately. There may be a little bit less 10 money to spread around 254 counties. But our highest 11 priority is just making sure those obligations have been 12 fulfilled. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's really an enabling 14 thing; not a commitment. 15 JUDGE KELLY: Right. And even the 16 application is not the commitment document. The 17 commitment document will actually be the acceptance of 18 the grant. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that's what we've 20 done on other grants, too. We've applied for them and 21 then made the decision to execute. 22 JUDGE KELLY: And if you'll remember last 23 year what we did is we did send in the letter of intent. 24 Then we did not send in the application. And so we're 25 right back at the letter of intent stage again. Except 36 1 this time with five counties instead of the three. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I mean I'm in favor of 3 moving forward with the Resolution at this point. And 4 then that somewhat enables us to start preparing budget 5 and looking at details, and number of employees or, you 6 know, how it works with the non-profit. So I'm in favor 7 of moving forward. 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I am, too. I mean 9 we've been talking about this and what have you, and 10 this is not even really a commitment stage, so let's 11 move forward and go to the next step. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Move forward with the 13 thing. 14 JUDGE KELLY: Well, why don't we kind of do 15 this in short order. I'm curious about the non-profit 16 aspect of it. But why don't I go ahead and make a 17 motion at this time that we go ahead and approve the 18 Resolution as presented to us, that Judge Evans has 19 already signed and that Judge Schuchart has signed -- or 20 I guess will sign, and that will have at least three of 21 us to go forward and follow up with Stroeher and Lux. 22 And we're building the momentum as we go to see where we 23 are on this. 24 And in the meantime, learn more, and flush 25 out what these different models would look like. And 37 1 with that, I go ahead and make a motion to approve the 2 Resolution as presented for a letter of intent to apply 3 for a Regional Public Defender's Office grant from the 4 Texas Indigent Defense Commission. 5 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 6 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, I made the motion and 7 seconded by Commissioner Harris to approve the 8 Resolution as presented. Any further discussion? 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I have a question. How 10 many models are we going to see? 11 JUDGE KELLY: I think just the two. 12 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Two. 13 MR. BURKHART: Yeah. When we talked it, I 14 think we modeled it basically what a county office would 15 like like. And then Miss Stebbins brought up a good 16 point, what would it look like to get a non-profit. I 17 think the most viable non-profit as far as public 18 defense in Texas is the Texas RioGrande Legal Aid. 19 But I think the next step with that for us 20 would be to put y'all in contact with them, and they can 21 help us model what it would look like from a non-profit 22 side. So I think a county model and a non-profit. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: When you say modeling, 24 what I think about is the numbers going in, the numbers 25 coming out. But what you're saying -- what I'm hearing 38 1 you say right now sounds more like a proposal, door 2 number 1 or door number 2. 3 MR. BURKHART: It's a little bit more of the 4 former in my mind. I don't know if y'all have had a 5 chance to read through the planning study that we did 6 for the county model. I mean that really shows you how 7 many actual people are we talking about in this office. 8 You know what are those people actually doing, and what 9 is the staffing ratios, what is the budget, how much 10 money goes into the office, all that kind of stuff. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well how many people 12 are they servgo, is what I'm concerned about. 13 MR. BURKHART: That's in there, too. That's 14 right. And Scott can speak a little bit more 15 specifically to the Hill Country Region, the numbers. 16 But all of it is based on the caseload numbers, that's 17 exactly right. 18 MR. EHLERS: Yeah, I mean we've done this in 19 some other counties where they wanted to look at TRLA 20 versus a county government model. You know, I think 21 there's also -- I mean we can work with TRLA to get you 22 some of those numbers in that modeling. 23 You know, I think there's probably a need, 24 too for a conversation among the counties to see if 25 everybody's on board with that as well. I don't know -- 39 1 I mean, I don't know the degree to which everyone would 2 like to see TRLA run the office or not. But you know, 3 either way, we're happy to work with TRLA to get y'all 4 some figures in terms of what it would look like. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, my concern is if 6 you're talking about for example, five investigators in 7 an office who have an average workload versus really 8 looking at the numbers really closely and deciding to 9 have a little heavier workload and we'll have four. You 10 see what I mean? I'd like to have a menu to pick from 11 so to speak, and see what it really means for us in this 12 county, and how realistic that is. 13 MR. BURKHART: Absolutely. And I think one 14 of that -- the base caseload numbers, I don't think -- 15 regardless whether you're talking about a county model 16 or a non-profit, I don't think the base caseload number 17 is going to change that greatly, as far as the number of 18 cases that we predict that y'all would have. All of 19 that is based on essentially looking at the caseload for 20 the past 3 years and kind of averaging that out. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, but the people 22 deal with it could change? 23 MR. BURKHART: Exactly, that's right. And 24 I think what you're going to see between the county 25 model and the non-profit is that -- Texas RioGrande 40 1 Legal Aid tends to staff things maybe a little bit 2 differently than a county model would. And in both of 3 those, the only other thing I'd add to that, is even 4 after we do that modeling, if y'all were to look at it 5 very closely and take a look and say hey look, I see for 6 instance you've got 5 investigators, could we squeak by 7 with four. And then see, you know, if we need to bump 8 that up later on down the line if the case load's too 9 high. We can definitely do that, yeah. For sure. 10 MR. EHLERS: The attorney levels are 11 generally the same across the models. The staffing of 12 investigators, the support staff, that's where some 13 differences are. TRLA also has their own salary 14 schedule compared to, you know, we'd you know 15 recommended, you know, basically the same kind of salary 16 schedule as the District Attorney or County Attorney's 17 Office. TRLA, they have their own salary schedule that 18 their organization follows on all of their offices. So 19 that's another difference. 20 MR. BURKHART: And Commissioners, one last 21 thing is when we speak to Miss Stebbins, gosh I think 22 about two weeks ago. We talked about in some detail 23 some of the differences in pluses or minuses when you're 24 looking at a county versus a non-profit model. And 25 that's a little bit of, I guess, a lengthy conversation 41 1 that one that maybe we can have offline. But we're 2 happy, we're at everybody's disposal if you want to talk 3 about the benefits in each of the models. I think there 4 are several for both of them and we're wear happy to 5 talk about them. 6 JUDGE KELLY: And as I understand it, 7 Judge Schuchart, your intent is to go forward with this 8 whether we're in it or not, right? 9 JUDGE SCHUCHART: Well, I know that Judge 10 Evans and I have talked and yes, we -- we will -- we 11 need this, and we really want this to happen. As we sit 12 here today, my HR Director, I think has reached out -- I 13 know she's reached out to yours, and I think she's 14 talked to all five -- the other four counties HR 15 Directors. And so she's putting together kind of a 16 salary study of what all of your DA's, your ADA's make, 17 what your County Attorney makes, what the staff makes, 18 the investigators, so we can have a more educated idea 19 as to how much we should be giving these people as 20 salaries. 21 The non-profit versus county model, I really 22 haven't delved into it very deeply, but I am -- I would 23 lean probably toward the county model because of -- I 24 think all the counties that were going to be involved 25 with it will become the management of that in a more 42 1 direct fashion. So I kind of would lean towards the 2 management, the county side of it in doing it. 3 And I also just -- I know you and I -- Judge 4 Kelly and I have talked about this. Medina County is -- 5 in my Commissioners' Court they've already talked about 6 this. If we did the county model and if you guys -- it 7 makes sense for Kerr County to be the heart of it 8 because y'all are in the middle of everything, but if 9 y'all have any hesitation on as far as another county 10 managing it and that, Medina County would be willing to 11 do that and take on the responsibility and make them our 12 our employees rather than yours if that becomes a 13 question. But you know, it makes sense that it's in 14 Kerr, but we will be more than happy to take on that 15 load if you guys decide y'all don't want to do that. 16 But you know, I think it makes sense for all 17 of us to be in it together if we can. And hopefully, 18 all five counties will make that decision. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Would managing of this 20 require a Board? Is that how it's going to be set up? 21 MR. EHLERS: Yeah. There should be an 22 oversight board, and the Board composition would be 23 worked out in an Interlocal Agreement amongst all of 24 y'all as to how work out the cost hearing as well and 25 where the offices would be located. 43 1 You know, there's -- you know, whether it's 2 a county government model or a TRLA model, there should 3 be an oversight board. If it was a non-profit model it 4 would be more oversight of a contract; whereas, you 5 know, the county government's oversight board is, you 6 know, more of like oversight of the office itself. 7 JUDGE SCHUCHART: And the people on that 8 Board, Scott are County Judges and/or Commissioners and 9 other people that they answer to, right? 10 MR. EHLERS: Well, we usually recommend -- 11 you know, I don't remember who's on the far West Texas, 12 if they actually have any County Judges or 13 Commissioners. Do you recall, Geoff? 14 MR. BURKHART: I think, yeah. I think we do 15 have a couple of Commissioners on there from far West 16 Texas, and I -- and I'd have to go back and look at 17 Texas RioGrande Legal Aid. I think the short answer, if 18 you want, we generally recommend an odd number, and 19 usually not too big, not too small. Usually, 7, 9, 11, 20 or 13, and we usually we try to recommend a lot of 21 diversity on the Board, so all kinds of stakeholders on 22 the Board, with the exception of anybody who would have 23 a direct conflict with the office. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Who selects them? 25 MR. BURKHART: Basically the counties 44 1 involved in this. You know, we can make recommendations 2 on this, but I think it would be up to y'all to decide 3 with the other counties. 4 JUDGE KELLY: I would think each county 5 would select one representative to sit on the Board, and 6 then the group as a whole would probably decide how to 7 select the additional ones to get it up to the 7 or 9, 8 or whatever the Board is. That would make sense to me. 9 MR. BURKHART: I agree. I agree. 10 JUDGE KELLY: Any other questions that we 11 have before we take a vote? Okay then, I'm going to go 12 ahead. All those in favor of approving the Resolution 13 as presented say aye or raise your hand. 14 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 15 JUDGE KELLY: I'm sorry. Commissioner 16 Harris seconded it. Okay, so let's vote again. Those 17 in favor aye or raise your hand. Okay, unanimous. 18 We're going to go forward. 19 I want to thank y'all. One of the things 20 that I do want to do now that we've got the Resolution, 21 that's the next step that I'm working with Geoff and 22 Scott on, is we do need to sit down and have, I think, a 23 very robust discussion about this non-profit model 24 versus a regional model, pros and cons. And hopefully 25 with these updated numbers that come out that we've seen 45 1 some of them that came in this past week, be able to sit 2 down and go into some of the detail on the models that 3 we have so that we know what we're applying for when we 4 fill this application next month. 5 Is there anything else that we have for our 6 TIDC representatives on the phone, or Judge Schuchart? 7 Okay. Is there anything else we need to 8 discuss on this topic for today? 9 MR. BURKHART: Judge, if I may, two things. 10 I just want to put my cell phone number and my comments 11 here so if anybody needs it, it's in the chat box. 12 The other thing is, with your permission is 13 we'd go ahead and reach out to Texas RioGrande Legal Aid 14 and at least just kind of start the conversation with 15 them so that they're in the loop on this. 16 JUDGE KELLY: I think that would be good. 17 MR. BURKHART: Okay. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Well, there being no 19 other business, then the Court will be adjourned. I'm 20 going to end the meeting. Thank you everyone for 21 attending. 22 * * * * * * 23 24 25 46 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Reporter in and for Kerr County, do hereby certify that 6 the above and foregoing pages contain and comprise a 7 true and correct transcription of the proceedings had, 8 to the best of my ability using Zoom and YouTube, in the 9 above-entitled Regular Commissioners' Court. 10 Dated this the 1st day of May, A.D. 2020. 11 12 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 13 No. 953 Expiration Date 04/31/2021 14 * * * * * * 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25