1 1 2 3 KERR COUNTY COMMISSIONERS' COURT 4 Regular Session 5 Monday, June 22, 2020 6 9:00 a.m. 7 Commissioners' Courtroom 8 Kerr County Courthouse 9 Kerrville, Texas 78028 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 PRESENT: ROB KELLY, Kerr County Judge HARLEY BELEW, Commissioner Precinct 1 24 TOM MOSER, Commissioner Precinct 2 JONATHAN LETZ, Commissioner Precinct 3 25 DON HARRIS, Commissioner Precinct 4 2 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 *** Commissioners' Comments. 7 4 1.1 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 11 action regarding update, facility use and 5 other matters related to COVID-19. 6 1.3 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 17 action to approve a Resolution recognizing 7 Bill Wood for his service on the Kerrville- Kerr County Joint Airport Board. 8 1.2 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 21 9 action to extend the Local State of Disaster Due to a Public Health and 10 Economic Emergency Proclamation that was signed by Judge Kelly on March 24, 11 2020, and "extended until terminated by order of the Kerr County Commissioners' 12 Court" on March 30, 2020. 13 1.8 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 28 action to approve the 415 Agreement 14 (Qualified Replacement Benefit Arrangement) for the Texas County and District 15 Retirement System. 16 1.4 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 39 action to approve Customer Service Agreement 17 between Kerr County and UniFirst for the Maintenance Department. 18 1.5 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 41 19 action regarding trash cans at Brinks Crossing. 20 1.6 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 44 21 action to approve the County Treasurer's Office Pitney Bowes postage machine lease 22 renewal, and have the County Judge sign same. 23 1.7 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 45 24 action to approve holiday and payroll schedule for fiscal year 2020-2021. 25 3 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.9 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 46 action to approve the Memorandum of 4 Understanding Concerning Communication and Coordination Between Center Point 5 Independent School District Police Department and the Kerr County Sheriff's 6 Office, and allow the County Judge to sign the same. 7 1.10 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 48 8 action to approve Construction Contract Change Order No. 3 for CEDAP, Colonia 9 Economically Distressed Area Program, grant number 7217045. 10 1.11 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 49 11 action regarding the Committee's recommended modifications to the Kerr County Longevity 12 Policy. Committee that was appointed on May 18, 2020. 13 1.14 Public Hearing, pursuant to Chapter 312, 62 14 Texas Tax Code and other authority, regarding the proposed Kerr County, Texas 15 Economic Development Program, Including Guidelines and Criteria for Tax Abatement 16 ("Program"). 17 1.15 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 63 action regarding the approval of the 18 proposed Kerr County, Texas Economic Development Program, Including Guidelines 19 and Criteria for Tax Abatement, and all related matters. 20 1.16 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 74 21 action to set a public hearing regarding "No Parking" signs installed at Homilius 22 Rd. E., Bridge, Precinct 3. 23 1.17 Public hearing to discontinue maintenance 76 of portions of Riverview Road and Rowland 24 Lane. 25 4 1 I-N-D-E-X 2 NO. PAGE 3 1.18 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 76 action to discontinue maintenance on 4 portions of Riverview Road and Rowland Lane. 5 1.19 Public hearing for a revision of plat for 78 Tierra Vista, Lots 33, 34, 35R, and 6 Recreation Area, Plat File #16-01809, Volume 4, Page 94. 7 1.20 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 78 8 action for the Court to approve a revision of plat for Tierra Vista, Lots 33, 34, 35R, 9 and Recreation Area, Plat File #16-01809, Volume 4, Page 94. 10 1.21 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 79 11 action for the Court to set a public hearing for 10:00 a.m. on July 27th, 2020 12 for a revision of plat for Spicer Ranch Lots 25 and 31, Volume 3, Page 56. 13 1.12 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 82 14 action regarding the projected reduction in revenue for Fiscal Year 2020-2021 and 15 options that could be taken to accommodate any reductions. 16 1.13 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 83 17 action regarding nominations for the Guadalupe Basin Flood Planning Group. 18 1.22 Consider, discuss and take appropriate 90 19 action regarding the workshops held on June 17th, Volunteer Fire Departments and 20 Veterans Services Office, for future recommendations. 21 2.1 Pay Bills. 109 22 2.2 Budget Amendments. 109 23 2.4 Auditor Reports. 110 24 2.5 Accept Monthly Reports. 113 25 2.6 Court Orders. 113 5 1 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. We're actually a little 2 late. Good morning. It is Monday, June the 22nd, 2020, 3 a couple minutes after 9 o'clock. I apologize, trying 4 to get everybody situated today. We have everyone's 5 socially distanced and spaced apart here but the 6 courtroom is probably as full as I've ever seen it since 7 this COVID pandemic. 8 Having said that, the Kerr County 9 Commissioners' Court is now in session and Commissioner 10 Harris will lead us in the prayer and pledge. Please 11 stand. 12 (Prayer and Pledge of Allegiance.) 13 JUDGE KELLY: Please be seated. I think 14 it's obvious that I have my mask back on today. My wife 15 asked me to do this. She's still convalescing. The 16 next part of our agenda is the public input. I know -- 17 someone I know wanted to speak. We need to get that 18 form. On the public input let me remind you, that if 19 what you want to speak on is on the agenda we ask that 20 you wait until that agenda item is called. But the 21 things that can be -- you can use to address the Court 22 with right now are things that are not on the agenda. 23 We ask that you identify yourself by name and address, 24 and which Precinct you live in and limit your remarks to 25 three minutes. 6 1 You got it? Okay, just pass it up. Just 2 pass it. 3 While she's doing that, I want to remind 4 everyone that if you want to address the Court, you may 5 call 830-792-6161, and that phone will ring right here 6 at the bench and we'll take your call. 7 Okay, this is Aphyr, is that correct? 8 MS. FEENEY: Yes, sir. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. You may approach the 10 podium. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: She's on crutches. 12 MS. FEENEY: Good morning, Your Honor. I 13 would like to request a -- 14 JUDGE KELLY: Go ahead and give us your name 15 and address. 16 MS. FEENEY: Oh. My -- my name is Aphyr 17 Feeney. My address is 130 Mark Drive South, Kerrville, 18 Texas 78028. I'm not sure what precinct that's in. I'm 19 here today requesting to be on the agenda for next week 20 regarding a ban of fishing at Flat Rock Dog Park. I 21 would like to request that no fishing at Flat Rock Dog 22 Park. 23 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. So you're requesting 24 that that topic be put on the agenda for next week? 25 MS. FEENEY: Yes. Yes. 7 1 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. 2 MS. FEENEY: Yes, sir. 3 JUDGE KELLY: I think we can do something 4 like that. Is there anything else you would like to 5 say? 6 MS. FEENEY: Thank you. 7 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. Next time just 8 call that one in. It's a lot easier to call that one in 9 than have to come down here. 10 MS. FEENEY: Okay. 11 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Commissioners' 12 comments. Let's kind of start in reverse today. Let's 13 go with 4. 14 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Okay. Need some rain. 15 A lot of fuel out there in the pastures and fields and 16 everywhere, and we need another shot. It looks like 17 we've got a chance this week and keep your fingers 18 crossed. That's about all I have right now. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Good. 3. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: A couple of things. I 21 had to miss the workshop last week. So I did have some 22 updates as to what was said and things of that nature. 23 And just a couple comments related to that. One, I 24 applaud the Judge for looking at the budget and in the 25 light of what are our required functions. I think it's 8 1 good for us to understand that and look at that, but I 2 don't always agree with that, the other side of that. 3 And I think that just so it's on the record, that I like 4 the idea of going towards ESD's with fire departments. 5 I think that's a good direction, long term. But I'm in 6 favor of funding and -- and it's going to take several 7 years to get there and some commitments. So, you know, 8 this year I think there are certain substantial amount 9 of funding should be in the budget. My personal opinion 10 on that. 11 And then on the Veterans Services as well. 12 It's -- it's a department that was created, I don't 13 know, seven, eight years ago, something like that. And 14 we thought about it long and hard when we did it. We 15 did it largely because of the feeling that we have so 16 many veterans in the community and also that the more 17 funds that we can get, Federal funds that those veterans 18 are entitled to that we can get to them, the more will 19 help or will be spent locally for the most part. And 20 it's a boost -- it's like economic development almost. 21 And I think that has worked. Certainly the veterans 22 community think that. So I think that's a department 23 that even though it's not required, there is a reason 24 for it. And those are just two comments based on that 25 workshop that I had to miss last week. 9 1 JUDGE KELLY: And for those that want to 2 comment on that, that's on the agenda at Item 1.22. 3 We'll talk about that later this morning. Okay, 2. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The alcoholic beverage 5 sale petition drive in Precinct 2 is going well. I 6 think we've got about 800 signatures. Don't forget we 7 need -- this is year 2020, we need 2,020 signatures. So 8 it's -- lots of activity is all around Precinct 2. And 9 hopefully we're going to get there, but that means we 10 need a couple hundred signatures every week between now 11 and -- and mid July. 12 I thought we could -- when the last time I 13 mentioned August the 1st would be the cutoff date, it's 14 actually July the 17th because the way that the law is 15 worded, the tax -- the voting people, okay, they get -- 16 they're required to have 30 days to verify the addresses 17 on the -- or the people on the petition are valid 18 holders of voting rights. So even though they probably 19 won't need it, probably do it in a couple days. That's 20 what the law says, so we got -- we got truncated by 21 about two weeks out of the process. So that means we've 22 really got to get at it. People are doing everything in 23 the world they can and that's -- hopefully we'll get 24 there. 25 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: If I remember 10 1 correctly, y'all were about at 600 and some odd -- 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, this year we're -- 3 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: No, last week. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Last week we were at 5 656 or something. 6 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So roughly as of 8 yesterday about 800. So got a long way to go. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Precinct 1. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Not a lot to report. 11 But this last week, there was -- there's something that 12 came up with our emergency 9-1-1 system. And I just 13 want to encourage everybody who has private property 14 that is not County maintained, you cannot be told you 15 have to have street signs and markers, but if you'll put 16 one up in those troubled areas, it sure makes things 17 easier for our emergency workers to find you. If it's 18 the Sheriff's Department, if it's -- if it's an 19 ambulance, if it's a fire truck. It really -- I've been 20 in some areas checking them out lately because there 21 were some disputes about streets. It helps you and it 22 makes all of Kerr County safer, the Sheriff can tell 23 you. It makes everybody safer if it's clearly marked. 24 And I know they have all their GPS stuff and all of 25 that, but just like cell signals in the hill country, 11 1 those can be lost and it can be pretty confusing in the 2 middle of the night. So if you've got one of those 3 areas you live at, you should put a sign up yourself. 4 That's all. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Then let's go ahead and 6 move on to the agenda. Item 1.1 consider, discuss and 7 take appropriate action regarding the update, facility 8 use and other matters related to COVID-19. Dub Thomas, 9 our Emergency Management Coordinator. 10 MR. THOMAS: Good morning, Judge. Good 11 morning, Commissioners. 12 JUDGE KELLY: You got a haircut? 13 MR. THOMAS: Yes, sir. 14 JUDGE KELLY: Looks sharp. 15 MR. THOMAS: Got my ears lowered a little 16 bit, feels good, too. Going to get right to it. This 17 is week number 16 for our COVID situation report. And 18 our numbers practically for all practical purposes 19 nearly doubled over the last week. I think I spoke too 20 soon last week when I said we had been doing really well 21 and we hadn't had any numbers -- COVID positives for a 22 week. And then on Thursday we got slammed. 23 So currently we're are at 46, total. I 24 believe the number is 13 actives. One of those is in 25 the ICU at Peterson Regional Medical Center. 12 1 So one of the things that I wanted to inform 2 the Court about is testing -- or I'm sorry, not testing, 3 but the way DSHS reports their numbers is going to 4 change significantly over the next -- well, it's already 5 changed as a matter of fact. So we're having a meeting 6 this afternoon at three o'clock to discuss how we want 7 to report our numbers so that they're more timely and a 8 little bit more accurate than what DSHS has given us. 9 For instance, I got a call earlier in the 10 week for case Number 22, and they said in four days that 11 case is going to be -- needs to be taken off the record 12 because it would have been two weeks -- 14 days is 13 generally the time period for the virus. So that means 14 in 10 days DSHS has sat on that case and we had no 15 earthly idea about it and we're unable to contact the 16 individual, so they just never -- never gave us the 17 address until it was finally, you know, ten days in. 18 Which doesn't do me a whole lot of good and it kind of 19 gives me some concern, because our first responders may 20 have to report to that address for any -- anything. It 21 could have been Fire, EMS or Police Department and they 22 had no idea of knowing that that address is COVID 23 positive or COVID alert because we are keeping those 24 addresses in our Cad System, both at the County and the 25 City levels. 13 1 And that is going to change as well with 2 DSHS. They're no longer going to notify us of the 3 addresses for those locations. So our first responders 4 first of all need to consider every call a COVID 5 positive case. And we're going to be trying to work out 6 some ways where we can still keep those addresses. 7 Peterson Regional has taken some of that information 8 down and they can give you those numbers and those 9 addresses. We'll continue to put it in the Cad. 10 The first responders -- it's just the 11 notification from DSHS is going to take a little longer. 12 They can no longer do these investigations within 24 13 hours like they have been wanting to, they've been 14 getting 75 to 100 cases per day and they just don't have 15 the number of personnel to conduct all those 16 investigations. So it's running behind and we're going 17 to go to aggregate reporting. It's a little bit 18 different. We're going to see some numbers on -- the 19 DSHS Region 8 report is going to change. You will see a 20 block on there for cases that are under investigation. 21 So we can add that in there, and it's going 22 to be a little bit different for our reporting system. 23 But I want us to be able to meet this afternoon. 24 Myself, Peterson Regional, all of our PI's for the City 25 and County as well, Peterson Regional, Kerrville Fire 14 1 Department, EMS. And we're going to work out a method 2 for us to report our numbers a little bit more accurate 3 and a little bit more timely than what DSHS is getting 4 us. 5 So right now is we stand at 46, but I can 6 assure you we have more coming. We have -- so far 7 Peterson Regional has done 1,583 tests. Texas Military 8 Forces, 386. Our nursing homes -- our numbers have 9 stayed the same. COVID positives is 46. Our infection 10 rate is 0.17. I can -- I expect that number to rise. I 11 think by the end of the day I'm going to look at seeing 12 probably seven or eight more cases. 13 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Dub, what is -- is there 14 any trend as to where these new cases are coming from or 15 is it just random in the community? 16 MR. THOMAS: I think it's just random. I 17 think part of it is once the State started opening up, 18 people are starting to travel. Not only travel, I think 19 people started meeting with their neighbors. I've seen 20 some of these addresses that are within two or three 21 houses of each other. And I guess they decided that it 22 was time to go meet your neighbors, have a party, do 23 whatever. And so, there's been a lot of it passed 24 around. There's a lot of it has been close contact. 25 We've got two residents I know of that had at least two 15 1 individuals in that residence are positive. One has 2 three. 3 So I think some of the things you're 4 starting to see around the State. I know Bexar County 5 has gone to a mask order for restaurants. Basically 6 cooks and waiters, waitresses, wait staff, whatever. 7 San Marcos has also done the same as far as a mask 8 order. I don't know if that's what we want to explore 9 at this point. But I think we still need to continue to 10 stress that folks need to wear a mask, need to wash your 11 hands. If you're sick, if you don't feel well, stay 12 home. Use hand sanitizer. If it's not available -- 13 well, I can assure you at this point, I'm at the point 14 now where it's -- if you're in that age group or you 15 have one of the underlying conditions, if you don't wear 16 a mask, if you don't social distance, if you don't wash 17 your hands, it's not a matter of if you're going to 18 catch this virus, it's a matter of when you're going to 19 catch it. And then it's going to matter on -- your 20 current health is what's going to determine your 21 survivability. 22 So that's basically what I had for this 23 morning. Other than our numbers for around the state, 24 everything's continuing to blow up. Texas has 107,735 25 cases. Total deaths are 2165. Total recovered is 16 1 67,096. Total testing is 1.6 million. The surrounding 2 counties, some of that is starting to blow up on us as 3 well. Kendall County is up to 44. Medina 75. I have 4 Kerr County on there with 45. It's actually 46. 5 Gillespie has gone to 18. Bandera 13. Kimble County is 6 at one. And Real County has finally got one. One case. 7 So it's still moving west. And we're still 8 going to see a lot of -- I think we're going to see a 9 lot more COVID-19 cases here. 10 DSHS Region 8 numbers active of 3929. 11 Recovered 3,718. Deaths are 130. And they have 227, 12 that's the number that I'm going to continue to put on 13 here now because that's what they're -- they're going to 14 be putting out. So we have 227 cases in Region 8 that 15 are pending. 16 11 -- I know Kerr County has 11 cases 17 pending. Investigations. So -- 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Dub, I'm pressing and I 19 don't know if you have the answer. But on the masks, 20 looking in the courtroom, I see different types. Any 21 mask or certain masks? 22 MR. THOMAS: At this point I'd say any mask. 23 A cloth mask like he's wearing. N95s. Surgical cloth 24 -- like what the Judge has on. Surgical mask. 25 Anything. As long as it fits rather snugly. And then, 17 1 those will be fine. But, if it's -- if you're not 2 wearing it properly, it's like a seatbelt, it's not 3 going to do you any good. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So those that are, I 5 guess, labeled dust masks are better than no masks? 6 MR. THOMAS: It's better than nothing, but a 7 dust mask is not going to stop the molecular size of a 8 COVID-19 virus for a particulate mask or somebody that's 9 working on a construction site. Any other questions? 10 JUDGE KELLY: Anything else for Dub? We 11 appreciate your diligence. Keep up the good work. 12 MR. THOMAS: Thank you. Monday morning's a 13 little -- gets a little hectic. Y'all have a good day. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Thank you. 15 JUDGE KELLY: We're going to skip down to 16 the timed item at 9:15. That's Item 1.3 on your agenda. 17 Consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 18 a Resolution recognizing Bill Wood for his service on 19 the Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board. 20 Commissioner Moser. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thank you, Judge. 22 We've said many times what the airport has done and 23 being an -- a major asset for this entire community. 24 Probably in ways that are not quantified. There are a 25 lot of people that come to Kerrville with expensive 18 1 planes and big jets and spend a lot of money, and that's 2 never captured any real value to the airport. 3 Because of what the Airport Board has done 4 in the past number of years, up from a major deficit of 5 $400,000.00 a year which the City and County had to make 6 up to where it's revenue neutral now. 7 Bill Wood has been recently the President of 8 the Board, he's been on the Board for a number of years, 9 been very active and -- and contributed in many ways. 10 And with that, there's a Resolution that I would like to 11 propose that the County adopt. And I'll read the 12 Resolution, if I may, into the record. 13 Recognition of William Wood's service for 14 Kerrville-Kerr County Joint Airport Board and Kerr 15 County. Whereas, Bill Wood has served eight years on 16 the Kerr County Joint Airport Board as a member and this 17 year as the Board President. He worked to develop and 18 approve budgets whereby the revenues generated at the 19 airport where greater than expenses. 20 Whereas, under his leadership the Airport 21 Board with participation of the City and the County 22 worked to develop a Strategic Plan for 2019 through 2023 23 for the Airport. 24 Whereas, he has been an active member in 25 Kerrville Civil Air Patrol Squadron for five years. His 19 1 primary role is the Public Information Officer and that 2 has led to the unit being far more visible to the Hill 3 Country. 4 In addition to serving as a pilot and Public 5 Information Officer, he coordinated Civil Air Patrol 6 flights for Tivy High School ROTC Detachment. Bill 7 continues to be very dependable and a useful member of 8 the Civil Air Patrol. 9 Whereas, he is a board -- he -- while he was 10 on the Board of the airport, he used engineering and 11 managerial skills to develop two T-hanger projects and 12 other runway improvement with grants from TxDOT. 13 Therefore, Kerr County Commissioners' Court 14 does hereby thank and recognize Bill Wood for his 15 dedication, leadership, management expertise, and 16 valuable assistance in making Kerr County-Kerrville 17 Airport one of the best general aviation airports in 18 Texas, and a valuable and important asset for Kerr 19 County. 20 Signed and adopted the 22nd day of June, 21 2020. So with that, I move that we adopt the 22 Resolution. 23 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 24 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 25 Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 20 1 adopt the Resolution recognizing Bill Wood's service to 2 the Kerrville-Kerr County Airport Board. Any 3 discussion? Those in favor, please raise your hand. 4 Unanimous, five zero. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Thank you, Bill. 6 MR. WOOD: Thank you. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Can he sign while we're 8 here? 9 JUDGE KELLY: Yeah. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Bill, why don't you say 11 something. 12 MR. WOOD: Well -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Come up to the mic. 14 MR. WOOD: It's been a labor of love. Best 15 Board I've ever served on. And you've got a good 16 President coming behind me. And we have a wonderful 17 Airport Manager, Mary Rohrer. And appreciate -- 18 actually, you know, we work for you. We work for the 19 County and the City and all the citizens of Kerrville. 20 And everything Tom said about the airport is 21 absolutely true. It brings in a lot of folks. I mean, 22 you got ranchers that bring in all kinds of guests. 23 You've got the camps. I can't tell you how many times 24 I've seen a big jet come in and one little girl and a 25 suitcase get off. 21 1 A lot of stuff happens out at that airport. 2 You wouldn't -- you wouldn't really believe. And we've 3 had some very famous people come in, come through here. 4 And I think it's a credit to Kerrville. And it's 5 been -- it's been a great eight years. And I'm sad to 6 leave, but I -- my time is up and you're in good hands. 7 So thank you for everything. 8 (Applause.) 9 JUDGE KELLY: Maybe you can bring the 10 Resolution back here to give to you. 11 MR. WOOD: Okay. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We don't have it to 13 sign, do we? 14 JUDGE KELLY: I've got one. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, you got it, okay. 16 Is it okay, Judge, if he can come up here and we're 17 going to get a good picture. 18 (Photographs taken.) 19 JUDGE KELLY: Let's go back up to 1.2 on the 20 agenda. This is one on that I put on the agenda every 21 week now. I signed the Proclamation declaring the State 22 of Disaster Due to Public Health and Economic Emergency 23 back on March the 24th, we renewed it on the 30th with 24 the provision that says it would be extended until 25 terminated by order of the Court. 22 1 So this is the opportunity for us to 2 discuss, do we still want to keep the State of Disaster? 3 And I think we do. The way things have doubled here in 4 the last week, I think it would be imprudent to not 5 continue it. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Judge, I'd like to add 7 some discussion. I think you know this, but Wednesday 8 afternoon I think at 3:00 there will be a -- kind of the 9 City, County, all of the Emergency Management folks 10 lining up for a Zoom meeting. And I think that it would 11 be good to get the Judge, who participates on that, 12 guidance as to what direction, change, if any, we should 13 do. I really don't think there should be any change, in 14 my opinion, but I thought that would be -- ultimately 15 he's the -- the one who gets to make that call but I 16 thought I'd put it on the table. 17 JUDGE KELLY: Well, and to kind of inform 18 the public, there's been a lot of discussion this past 19 week. I think everyone's well aware of what San 20 Antonio, Bexar County, and Austin, Travis County, has 21 done. And the meeting they had with Governor Abbott to 22 explain -- for him to explain the meaning of the order 23 that he's entered. San Antonio and Austin -- 24 (Phone ringing.) 25 JUDGE KELLY: Well, somebody's calling. 23 1 Hello? Yes, ma'am. Okay. I'll go ahead 2 and put you on speakerphone. We're in the middle of a 3 court session and we'll -- you'll just have to listen to 4 us for a little while before we get to that item on the 5 agenda, okay? 6 (Judge Kelly on phone.) 7 JUDGE KELLY: All right. Well, go right 8 ahead. This is TCDRS calling in for a later agenda 9 item. 10 But what I was explaining is the distinction 11 that Nelson Wolff and Ron Nirenberg gave in San Antonio 12 is they put an order for businesses; not individuals, to 13 provide masks for their employees and for the customers. 14 And require that they wear masks while in their 15 establishments. And that is not an individual mandate, 16 that is a commercial business mandate on those 17 businesses. So consequently, I've gotten a lot of 18 calls, a lot of e-mails. This is something for us to 19 consider. 20 The other thing that I've had people ask me 21 about, which I thought was unusual that it came up at 22 this late date, can we -- can the County Judge order 23 social distancing because some people just aren't doing 24 it. That's something we're just thinking about. 25 Probably so. But those are just some of the issues. 24 1 And I don't know what we're going to do on Wednesday, 2 but I certainly welcome everybody to tune in and to see 3 what all the stakeholders have to say. 4 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I would hope we'd 5 leave it to the individuals. I think it's -- the 6 responsibility ought to fall on each individual. You 7 can see a -- like this room, for example. You don't see 8 enough masks, and if you're uncomfortable, turn around 9 and walk away. I think that's the way it should go. 10 And that's -- you know one of the reasons I wanted to 11 lead this and -- and not cancel this item once we got 12 started because I didn't feel like we'd ever overreach. 13 And in my opinion that would be overreaching. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And then to follow up on 15 that, if a business chooses to voluntarily require 16 masks, that is their prerogative. 17 JUDGE KELLY: The -- the one thing that I've 18 consistently told everybody through the weekend is that 19 I think that it's prudent to wear a mask in certain 20 situations, and I think that's an individual 21 determination, and that it's strongly recommended. 22 I talked to the Mayor several times this 23 weekend and that's what we're doing. We're strongly 24 recommending that you wear a mask in appropriate 25 situations. 25 1 And the other thing that -- that I would 2 share with you is we had some people this past week who 3 refused to wear a mask when asked. We had some people 4 who refused to quarantine when asked. Now we're 5 starting to get into some dangerous territory with that. 6 So that's just -- we'll do that on a case by case basis. 7 But be aware that as this thing blows up, it is becoming 8 more and more emotional. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, it would be 10 different, and I keep reminding people of this, this is 11 not a death sentence. There are plenty of people 12 walking around that have had it, didn't know it, got 13 over it. There are people that have it now. They don't 14 have any symptoms. So it's not automatically going to 15 kill you. So that's where you get into real issues of 16 telling people what they have to do when there's not 17 maybe any consequence at all for them. 18 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I agree. You know, 19 our latest official numbers for our seasonal flu was 20 2018 and Type A and B combined had over 900 cases. And 21 I know for one, myself, I've had it before and never got 22 tested. Just knew it's going around, and feel like 23 heck, and you have it. And I think if the seasonal flu 24 was monitored like this one, people would be hiding in 25 the closet. My two cents. 26 1 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. So we're not going to 2 take any action on the State of Disaster that's already 3 in place, is that correct? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I do have one question, 6 though. We have, I would assume, at the Sheriff's 7 Department, for example, a continuing bill for buying 8 PPE stuff and so on. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: (Shaking head in 10 affirmative manner.) 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So this is going to 12 accumulate. 13 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 14 JUDGE KELLY: Well, and -- and for those 15 businesses out there that are considering putting their 16 own voluntary mask requirement in place, even though 17 often I've seen they have no mask, no entry on the door 18 into the business, PPE is one of the things that we can 19 get. We can get these masks in to help defray those 20 costs. That's one thing that the Government is 21 reimbursing us for. So anyone that is so inclined, we 22 encourage you to consider it because we can help you 23 with that. 24 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Individual businesses? 25 JUDGE KELLY: We can -- we give -- we give 27 1 masks out to a lot of people. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I think Costco 3 requires -- going into Costco in San Antonio that you 4 have a mask, so -- 5 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: But as a County we can 6 help supplement that for them? 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know. 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Is that what you're 9 saying? 10 JUDGE KELLY: I think we've been giving them 11 out at a lot of places, haven't we, Sheriff? 12 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Some what? 13 JUDGE KELLY: Masks? 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We have. We've given 15 -- not businesses. We have given some to the school 16 districts that, you know, needed it. Dub has through 17 our Emergency Management and we've -- you know, we've 18 used several thousand already. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Well, we might -- we might 20 look into whether or not we can help these businesses if 21 they choose to do that. 22 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well, we don't have the 23 numbers now that we could. We'd have to try and get 24 some more. We don't have -- 25 JUDGE KELLY: I understand. It's all 28 1 ongoing. 2 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Right. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. It's 9:30. Let's go to 4 the 9:30 timed item, which is 1.8. And yes, but if you 5 would, please, identify yourself again. 6 (ON PHONE). 7 MS. McGEEHAN: Yes. This is Ann McGeehan, 8 I'm the General Counsel for the Texas County District 9 Retirement System. And also on the phone is Roxanne 10 Aldridge. Roxanne, do you want to introduce yourself. 11 MS. ALDRIDGE: Yes. Good morning. This is 12 Roxanne Aldridge. I'm an Employer Service 13 Representative from TCDRS. 14 THE REPORTER: It's kind of hard to 15 understand. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. I'm putting it up close 17 to the microphone. We've got Ann McGeehan, who is 18 General Counsel for TCDRS, and Ms. Roxanne Aldridge. 19 And let me call the agenda item 1.8 consider, discuss 20 and take appropriate action to approve the 415 Agreement 21 (Qualified Replacement Benefit Arrangement) for the 22 Texas County and District Retirement System. Jennifer 23 Doss, our HR Director. 24 MRS. DOSS: Good morning. Last -- last 25 Monday you asked these ladies to call in and give you 29 1 further clarification. So Ann, can you provide -- well, 2 I think we've provided you with three of the questions 3 that the Court had. Can you speak to those? 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I don't think she can 5 hear you. 6 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I don't think so. 7 You're a little soft. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Can you hear her? 9 MS. McGEEHAN: I'm sorry, no. I didn't 10 quite hear that. 11 MRS. DOSS: We sent you three questions last 12 week -- 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't think she can 14 hear you. 15 MRS. DOSS: -- that the Court had -- 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Why don't we just 17 reiterate the question for her? 18 MRS. DOSS: Yes. Please. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: The three questions we 20 had from last week, can you tell us about those, Ann? 21 MS. McGEEHAN: Oh, okay. I know -- I think 22 the first question concerned the authority of the 23 Internal Revenue Service, and the context of the -- the 24 consideration for the legal basis. 25 JUDGE KELLY: You know, let -- excuse me, 30 1 let me interrupt. This is -- 2 MS. McGEEHAN: Sure. 3 JUDGE KELLY: -- this is Rob Kelly. Let's 4 just state to the public that we're coming in on this 5 mid thought and from last week. Jennifer, if you could 6 restate what the -- what the proposal before the Court 7 is so that the people know? 8 MRS. DOSS: Okay. The 415 Agreement allows 9 the County to make up the difference when someone 10 retires, their pension is greater than the IRS 11 guidelines, allow TCDRS to pay. So this agreement 12 allows the County to make up that difference. And then 13 we reduce what we pay, the monthly contribution the 14 following month by what the County has paid. So the 15 County will not be out any additional funds. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Well, as I understand it, we 17 have an employee who qualifies to receive more pension 18 than is allowed by TCDRS, is that right? 19 MRS. DOSS: Correct. If they retired today. 20 MS. ALDRIDGE: So Judge, this is Roxanne 21 Aldridge. So it's not that -- first of all, actually -- 22 future projection of employees that might possibly -- 23 THE REPORTER: It's really hard to 24 understand her. 25 MS. ALDRIDGE: -- and so they run this every 31 1 single year. One employee down the road right now could 2 be affected. If we run this again next year, this 3 employee may or may not be part of -- what has accrued. 4 You might have one or two more employees, or zero on an 5 annual basis. So this is a dynamic that's going to 6 change every single year. And the limit is not set by 7 TCDRS; it's set by the IRS. 8 And basically, I think that you all have 9 been sent out is just -- that we do for the limits. The 10 current limits of that is $230,000 for this year set by 11 the IRS. This limit changes every single year, but it 12 also changes depending on age. 13 So the number of the employees when they 14 retires, is much more limited is also going to be. So 15 depending on the actions that this employee may or may 16 not take, they might or may not be affected by it. So 17 it's one of those things where one of the questions that 18 the Court has asked was what options does the County 19 have and the options are you do not have to sign this 20 agreement, or if you want to set it in place for a 21 potential employee that might be affected, you also have 22 that option. 23 So I just want to stress that it's not 24 something that TCDRS is setting, this is straight from 25 the IRS. 32 1 JUDGE KELLY: Well, as I understand it, we 2 have an employee who, if they retired now, TCDRS would 3 not be able to pay them the full retirement benefit that 4 they have earned according to the County's benefit 5 system. Do I understand that correctly, Miss Doss? 6 MS. ALDRIDGE: No. It's not if they retired 7 now; it's if they retired in, I want to say, five years. 8 It's in our actuarian -- I'm sorry. Our actuarian this 9 is a hypothetical scenario. So in five years you have a 10 limited change. 11 Also, what it's based on is the single life 12 option, which is the highest dollar amount that someone 13 can receive when they retire, because we don't know who 14 their beneficiary is going to be until they -- and 15 there's no way we can run it for all seven options. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Excuse me. Could you 17 say that again? The single life, what is it? 18 MS. ALDRIDGE: It's based on the highest 19 payout option that someone could select from as 20 retirement. 21 JUDGE KELLY: And what are we specifically 22 looking at here? What's the highest that this employee 23 can receive if they retired? 24 MS. ALDRIDGE: So we don't know what it's 25 going to be in five years. And I don't think -- as far 33 1 as -- this is absolute potential on the employee. I can 2 tell you at age 62, the limit right now for this year is 3 $230,000.00. So while it could be higher next year, 4 that's set by the IRS. 5 JUDGE KELLY: So somebody could get a 6 retirement of $230,000.00 a year? Or is that just -- 7 MS. McGEEHAN: That's at age 62. 8 JUDGE KELLY: At age 62. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Is that per year? 10 JUDGE KELLY: I -- I'm not -- I don't 11 understand. 12 MS. ALDRIGE: For this year that it's -- the 13 limit is $105,000.00 for example, so it's significantly 14 lower. So it changes based on their age, that entire 15 amount. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Is the amount you're 17 referencing the 105, or the 230 an annual amount? 18 MS. ALDRIDGE: Yes. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Yes. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So, let's see. 21 If -- so there is a limit on how much a Kerr County 22 employee can get in retirement based on the IRS. It's 23 some complicated thing based on what they choose and 24 what their age is if they retire and how it progresses 25 until then, correct? 34 1 MS. ALDRIDGE: Yes. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And so this employee, 3 according to our system, is -- should be able to get 4 more than what the IRS says that they can get, correct? 5 Okay. And if that's the case, the County can -- can 6 make up that difference, but at no cost to the taxpayer. 7 That's the part I don't understand, Jennifer. 8 MRS. DOSS: Correct. 9 MS. ALDRIDGE: Yes. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So how does -- how do 11 they -- how do we get that additional fund to -- for 12 retirement for that employee at no additional cost to 13 the taxpayer? 14 MRS. DOSS: When we send in our -- 15 MS. ALDRIDGE: Well, when Jennifer sends in 16 her payroll every single month so that they track the 17 amount that's getting paid to the employee from payroll. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh. 19 MS. ALDRIDGE: So you -- you -- yeah, it's 20 pretty simple mechanics, you know, of -- yeah. It's a 21 pretty simple transaction. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Thank you. 23 MS. ALDRIDGE: You're welcome. 24 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: If it doesn't cost us 25 anything or the taxpayers anything in the long run 35 1 then -- 2 MRS. DOSS: Right. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So there's -- there's 4 this limit set by the IRS, the person can increase their 5 -- their retirement funds based on their own 6 contribution, okay, to that fund. Because you're taking 7 it out of their salary, right, and putting it in -- 8 MS. ALDRIDGE: Yes. 9 JUDGE KELLY: No. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No? Where does that 11 money come from then? 12 (Talking over.) 13 MS. ALDRIDGE: Because they're not getting 14 -- this is -- annual employees work the same way, where 15 seven percent of the paycheck they receive from the 16 county goes into their individual account. It earns a 17 compounded interest until they retire -- 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh, okay. 19 MS. ALDRIDGE: -- and it gets matched by the 20 current match that the County offers. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Gotcha. 22 MS. ALDRIDGE: So we -- the ones that work 23 a very long time, they start young, they put in a lot of 24 time, and they also get, you know, regular timed pay 25 increases. They might get limits down the road. 36 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Yeah. 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, I'll make a motion 3 that we approve the 415 Agreement with TCDRS. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 6 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 7 approve the 415 Agreement with TCDRS with the additional 8 contributions to the retirement program for this 9 individual. Is that what it is? 10 MRS. DOSS: It's not additional 11 contributions. It's so that we can -- we can pay the 12 difference after -- I'm not very good at explaining, 13 I'm sorry. But after TCDRS pays what the IRS limits 14 them to pay, we pay the remainder. And then we reduce 15 it, as they explained, our future payroll contribution 16 to TCDRS by that amount that we paid that employee. 17 MRS. STEBBINS: That that employee is 18 entitled to. 19 MRS. DOSS: Correct. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And it's not limited to 21 any specific employee; it's any employee that makes -- 22 MRS. DOSS: Anybody that falls in this 23 situation in the future. 24 MRS. SHELTON: To me, when I was hearing all 25 this it was confusing. What made the difference to me, 37 1 that money is sitting there at the retirement system. 2 It is there. It's just the retirement system cannot pay 3 it to the employee. And so they look to us to make that 4 payment. And so we get reimbursed because of the money 5 that's there for the employee already. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Gotcha. 7 MRS. SHELTON: So that helped me understand 8 it just a little bit. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And that's because 10 there's a cap? 11 MRS. SHELTON: The IRS caps it; not us, not 12 the retirement system. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah, that's what I 14 mean. 15 MRS. SHELTON: It's the IRS. Correct. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Very good. Very 17 good. Got it. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Any other discussion? 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And we -- we have to 20 have this agreement in place for that to happen? 21 MRS. DOSS: For us to be able to do that. 22 Correct. 23 JUDGE KELLY: What happens if we don't? 24 MRS. DOSS: Excuse me? 25 JUDGE KELLY: What happens if we don't have 38 1 the agreement in place? 2 MRS. DOSS: Then we just -- we don't get 3 reimbursed. We just have to pay it out of our general 4 fund. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Costs the taxpayer. 6 MRS. DOSS: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: The County taxpayers. 8 Right. 9 MS. ALDRIDGE: If -- if there's no 10 agreement, and there's a potential retiree, then we'll 11 stop paying them when they reach the limit and they will 12 not receive any more monthly payments until come January 13 of the next year when the brand new year gets started. 14 JUDGE KELLY: And so that, under this 15 example that we're talking about here, they've maxed out 16 this year at 105, $105,000.00 worth of retirement? 17 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: That's a projection. 18 Possible. Not a firm number, I don't think. 19 JUDGE KELLY: Well, I kind of feel like 20 $105,000 is a pretty good retirement. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But if they're paying -- 22 but if they're owed -- if we owe them 110,000, we owe 23 them 110,000. 24 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yeah. Exactly. 25 (Talking over). 39 1 MRS. DOSS: They're entitled to it. 2 MS. ALDRIDGE: You're not giving them 3 additional money. If somebody has a benefit that -- of 4 something that amounts to a total of $110,000 a year, 5 they're going to get limited to 105,000 because of this 6 IRS regulation. So it's not extra money; it's just 7 money that's -- that they've earned while working for 8 the County. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Any other discussion? 10 Those in favor raise your hand. And abstain? Four one. 11 Four zero. Four, one, zero. 12 MRS. DOSS: I appreciate everybody helping 13 to explain it. Thank you. 14 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. 15 (Phone call ended.) 16 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, that was 1.8. Let's go 17 back up to 1.4 consider, discuss and take appropriate 18 action to approve Customer Service Agreement between 19 Kerr County and UniFirst for the Maintenance Department. 20 Shane Evans. 21 MR. EVANS: Good morning, gentlemen. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Routine contract, it looks 23 like. 24 MR. EVANS: Pardon? 25 JUDGE KELLY: Routine contract? 40 1 MR. EVANS: Yes, sir. It's for clothing and 2 masks for the -- our facilities. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: How does that -- how 4 does this compare to previous contracts? It's the same 5 company. Same amount basically? 6 MR. EVANS: Basically. I mean, I think they 7 do reserve the right on a periodic basis every six 8 months to increase or something? 9 MRS. STEBBINS: They do. 10 MR. EVANS: Yes. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But basically the same 12 type of contract with cost adjustments? 13 MR. EVANS: Yes, sir. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Move for 15 approval. 16 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. Looks good. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Wait a minute. I -- I 18 want to ask a question. Has anything changed because of 19 all this Corona virus thing? In -- in the contract? 20 MR. EVANS: As in what? 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: In the cost? 22 MR. EVANS: I don't think so. 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 24 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. A motion's been made by 25 Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 41 1 approve the County's contract with UniFirst. Any other 2 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Five zero, 3 unanimous. 4 Item 1.5 consider, discuss and take 5 appropriate action regarding trash cans at Brinks 6 Crossing. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks, Judge. There 8 has -- several of the residents in the area at Brinks 9 Crossing, the Guadalupe River, has indicated that 10 there's a lot of trash. People are using our trash 11 barrels effectively, but the trash barrels are not of 12 sufficient volume to hold the trash so they're sitting 13 it beside the cans. 14 So they're recommend -- and even though 15 there's a joint project between UGRA and the County to 16 empty the trash cans, I think UGRA empties them on 17 Saturday and Sunday on the weekends, and Shane and his 18 crew empty them another time during the week. Is that 19 correct? 20 MR. EVANS: Mondays and Fridays. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Mondays and Fridays. 22 So the recommendation there is to add additional trash 23 barrels there so that the trash is not sitting beside 24 them and -- and getting into the river, which is against 25 that. 42 1 So I would make a motion that -- and I don't 2 even know if a motion is necessary. But to have Shane 3 look at the -- what would be required to add a couple of 4 additional trash cans there in Brinks Crossing, so that 5 we can contain the trash. 6 People are apparently very responsible in 7 picking up there trash, it's just finding a place to put 8 it. 9 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I think they're 55 10 gallon cans? 11 MR. EVANS: Yes. Right. And we're looking 12 at maybe in the minimum of one more trash can per side, 13 maybe two. Now, they -- like Commissioner Moser has 14 stated, they are bringing the trash to the trash can. 15 And my guys have stated even though they've done that, I 16 think we have coons or possums getting into it, 17 scattering it out. So they're -- they're spending more 18 time picking up the loose garbage also to -- to get 19 everything cleaned up. So we need a minimum of one per 20 side, because there's a trash can on both sides of 21 Brinks Crossing. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I don't know if that 23 takes a motion or if it's in your budget to do something 24 like that. Do you want to look at it and -- 25 MR. EVANS: It won't be that much. I've 43 1 already started looking into the 55 gallon barrels, 2 they're probably about 30 bucks each. The lids are 3 going to be -- the good durable lids for that is going 4 to cost more than the 55 gallon drum. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't know that this 6 requires a motion. In my mind, this is just an 7 expansion of the -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I think so. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- plan for the parks to 10 pick up trash. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So this -- this is in 12 response to that. So if you can do that and if it 13 doesn't fit the budget then -- 14 JUDGE KELLY: So we received that as 15 information? 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes. Right. 17 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: That's good. 18 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Thanks, Shane. 19 MR. EVANS: You're welcome. Thank you. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Do you withdraw your 21 motion, Commissioner? 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I didn't make a motion. 23 I just -- 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: All right. Okay. 25 MRS. DOWDY: I have a motion by you for -- 44 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: On the trash can? 2 JUDGE KELLY: Do you want to withdraw your 3 motion? 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. Yeah, I'll 5 withdraw the motion. No motion is needed -- 6 JUDGE KELLY: Good. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- okay? 8 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. 10 JUDGE KELLY: 1.6 consider, discuss and take 11 appropriate action to approve the County Treasurer's 12 Office Pitney Bowes postage machine lease renewal, and 13 have the County Judge sign the same. 14 MRS. STEBBINS: I've reviewed it, if that 15 helps. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Move for approval. 17 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 18 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 19 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 20 approve the renewal of the lease. Any discussion? 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I've got one question. 22 JUDGE KELLY: There's a question. 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Pitney Bowes. Do we 24 have that for each -- multiple departments around the 25 courthouse, and is there any benefit of consolidating 45 1 those? 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We've talked about this 3 before, but each department head has the final say, what 4 they do and who they contract with. We talked about 5 trying to do it and get them all -- 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. I didn't 7 remember that discussion. Okay. All right. I got my 8 question answered. Okay. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, there are several 10 departments use a lot of postage. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Okay. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. There's a motion and a 13 second on the floor to approve the renewal of the Pitney 14 Bowes lease for the Treasurer's Office. Any further 15 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, 16 five zero. 17 1.7 consider, discuss and take appropriate 18 action to approve holiday and payroll schedule for 19 fiscal year 2020 to 2021. Miss Doss. 20 MRS. DOSS: Good morning. I shared these 21 dates with you in your packet. And there's a holiday 22 schedule that's identical as last year. Same -- same 23 number of holidays. And the payroll schedule just 24 coincides with the holiday dates. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move for approval. 46 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 2 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Motion's been made by 4 Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 5 approve the holiday schedule as proposed. Any further 6 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, 7 five zero. 8 MRS. DOSS: Thank you. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Skip down to 1.9 10 consider, discuss and take appropriate action to approve 11 the Memorandum of Understanding Concerning Communication 12 and Coordination Between Center Point Independent School 13 District Police Department and the Kerr County Sheriff's 14 Office, and allow the County Judge to sign the same. 15 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: We've already had one 16 of these in existence but they changed their police 17 chiefs for the school district and so we're just 18 renewing it. It just gives them access for law 19 enforcement purposes to our radio system and our 20 dispatch since they don't have but a one or two-man 21 department down there. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Should this be renewed 23 annually? 24 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: I don't think we have 25 had to renew it annually, as long as we've got it in 47 1 existence. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But we have to have the 3 new Officer's name in it? 4 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. That's -- and 5 that is. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 7 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: He signed off on this 8 one. The Judge has the original, and I'd just ask that 9 he be able to sign it. 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Second. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. The Resolution 13 is a Memorandum of Understanding -- 14 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yes. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- but it talks about 16 Interlocal Agreement. 17 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: The County Attorney has 18 looked at it. It is kind of one and both. It's an 19 agreement that -- that he, at times, say there's 20 something that goes on right out in front on China 21 Street. Okay. That school is on both sides of the 22 road. So sometimes he will also be able to assist us. 23 That's the Memorandum of Understanding. And then the -- 24 or an Interlocal Agreement. He can help us. He's still 25 a peace officer for the State. 48 1 And then, as far as using our radio system, 2 that's more just the Memorandum of Understanding part on 3 helping that. But I don't have a problem with it either 4 way. 5 MRS. STEBBINS: I don't either. 6 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 7 MRS. STEBBINS: Yes. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: All right. Good 9 enough. Thank you. 10 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. We've got a motion and 11 a second pending. Any further discussion? Those in 12 favor raise your hand. Unanimous, five zero. 13 Next item on the agenda is 1.10 consider, 14 discuss and take appropriate action to approve the 15 Construction Contract Change Order No. 3 for CEDAP, 16 C-E-D-A-P, Colonia Economically Distressed Area Program, 17 Grant No. 7217045. Commissioner Letz. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: This is on the agenda. 19 Is Charlie here? It's a change order to -- basically, 20 it's modifying some length of sewer lines and asphalt 21 repairs, it's not increasing the budget, it's moving 22 some funds from line item to line item within our 23 contract. And I make a motion to approve. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 49 1 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 2 approve the CEDAP Construction Contract Change Order 3 No. 3. Any other discussion? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll just make a note 5 the total amount of the Change Order is $8,570.30 -- 6 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- for the record. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But it doesn't change 9 the budget? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Any more discussion? Those in 13 favor raise your hand. Unanimous, five zero. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Did you want to take a 15 break in a minute? 16 JUDGE KELLY: We're going to take a break. 17 I'm trying to reach up here to get -- get to our counsel 18 so we can take a break. Let's get through a few more. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 20 JUDGE KELLY: 1.11 consider, discuss and 21 take appropriate action regarding the committee's 22 recommended modifications to the Kerr County Longevity 23 Policy. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The committee met as a 25 moving committee. We never all met together but we 50 1 communicated with everybody. And the general discuss -- 2 or basic discussion was that until the salary survey is 3 done, there was a recommendation not to make any major 4 changes to the longevity policy. 5 There is one slight recommendation that may 6 or may not help. But in my mind it would. It should 7 make things a little bit easier. And that is to anyone 8 whose anniversary date, which is when you got your 9 longevity increase currently, if it's in the first 10 quarter of the year, it would be effective the first pay 11 period in April. If it's in the second quarter of the 12 year, it's effective the first pay period in July and so 13 forth. It makes it so it's all done at one time. It's 14 a little bit easier from a recordkeeping standpoint. We 15 have had issues of missing some of these in the past. 16 So I think it helps there and it also does have the 17 benefit of a slight budget impact improvement for this 18 year. Don't know exactly how much, but it would be a 19 positive to our -- it's not going to really impact the 20 employees that much, but it will help the County because 21 -- and the reason for that is the third quarter payment 22 this year would be built into the following budget year. 23 So I'll make a motion that we make a slight 24 modification to our longevity policy that the payments 25 of individuals from the first quarter get paid the first 51 1 pay period in the second quarter, and those of the 2 second quarter first pay period of the third quarter on 3 the year. 4 JUDGE KELLY: So do we take any action? 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. I think it does 6 -- it's changing -- right now we're paying them, the 7 longevity is on anniversary dates. 8 MRS. DOSS: Correct. 9 MRS. STEBBINS: We talked about that 10 happening early in the next fiscal year. But I don't 11 know -- 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, and it would take 13 place in the next budget year. I'm sorry. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Be part of the budget? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: What does that do for 17 the -- for those two pay periods? 18 MRS. DOSS: Which two pay periods? 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I want to ask the 20 County Auditor, I'm sorry. What does that do to those 21 two pay periods in terms of cash flow and -- 22 MRS. SHELTON: Well, it's all paid -- 23 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Have you looked at that 24 all? 25 MRS. SHELTON: I have not looked at it. 52 1 Theoretically, what you're doing -- where you normally 2 would pay longevity like starting October the 15th, say, 3 you're not going to make that payment now, start that 4 raise, is what it ends up being, until January. The 5 first full pay period in January. So it's going to 6 defer what you're -- for three months almost the amount 7 that you're paying out. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So it's half the County 9 on one -- half the County employees on one half, the 10 other half on the other one? 11 MRS. SHELTON: I'm not sure I understand 12 that. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, if everybody -- 14 why? If everybody's date gets changed, that would cover 15 everybody in two -- 16 MRS. SHELTON: It's -- 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No, it's not two. This 18 is the average -- every -- longevity right now is done 19 on annual -- 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: On the anniversary of 21 one -- 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And this changes it to 23 the quarter after your anniversary date. So everyone 24 gets it -- 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. 53 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- at the same time. So 2 the impact would be you would assume, you know, it's 3 going to -- some people are going to be delayed a day. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, let's say that 5 three-quarters of the County falls under one of those. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I don't understand that. 7 Everyone will fall under everyone. I mean it will 8 affect every employee. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I -- I know that. 10 Those two days it's not split 50/50. I'm trying to 11 figure out in my mind, how many employees are you 12 talking about on each form. We don't -- we don't really 13 know, do we? 14 MRS. DOSS: I mean there's some that would 15 start, say, January 1. There's some that would start 16 March 31. So some people would wait, you know, one pay 17 period. Others would wait three months and a pay 18 period. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. 20 MRS. DOSS: It depends on -- 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But it all -- but all 22 of them are going to get paid on a certain date, a 23 certain pay period. That's what I'm asking about. 24 MRS. SHELTON: It -- it will add to their 25 pay period from then through the rest of the year. So 54 1 it will still continue to be in addition to salary, it's 2 just we're defining when we'll start paying that. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. I get that. 4 I'm just curious how many we have in those two different 5 dates? 6 MRS. SHELTON: When you say two different 7 dates, I'm confused. So what does that mean? 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You said April 15. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But it's all -- it's 10 April -- it's -- the first quarter goes in the first pay 11 period of the second quarter. The second quarter goes 12 in the pay period of the third. Third, first period of 13 the fourth. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. And it's going 15 to affect different numbers of employees. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But you can assume -- we 17 assume that you -- we have 300 employees that we have -- 18 you know, a quarter of 300 every pay period, every 19 quarter. I mean -- I don't know that's exactly that. 20 MRS. SHELTON: But, the only ones that will 21 be affected this year with the longevity pay are the 22 ones that have been employed one year, four years, so 23 you're -- it's -- it's only a certain percentage. 24 Because it's -- 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's what I'm trying 55 1 to find out. 2 MRS. SHELTON: -- every three years. It's 3 not 100 percent of the employees will be affected this 4 year, it will only those that reach those time limits 5 this year. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's what I was 7 asking. But do you have any idea what percentage that 8 is? 9 MRS. SHELTON: Of the number of employees, 10 or the amount of pay? 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That will be affected 12 in the first -- if this is adopted, the first pay period 13 after that? 14 MRS. SHELTON: I can get back with you on 15 that because I do not know off the top of my head. I've 16 seen the schedule that was based on the old ways, but I 17 did not count the number of employees. 18 MRS. DOSS: I can get you a number. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. Then I'd be 20 curious to see where they're going to fall because you 21 have a big, you know, million dollar paycheck or 22 something on a pay period, if we're going to have 23 something like that. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Well, it's not going to 25 -- it's going to lessen next -- every -- our payroll for 56 1 next budget year; not increase it. Whatever it was it's 2 going to be less. 3 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: If they're not dealing 4 with it week to week, it has to be. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're not changing the 6 longevity policy. You're -- those that were going to 7 get longevity next year are going to get it next year. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I get that. I 9 understand that. 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And if they're -- 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: You're going to -- 12 whatever percentage of them that is, is going to start 13 on a certain day. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But they're going to get 15 it a little bit later than they normally would have. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. But still that 17 -- they're still going to get it. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. Yeah. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: It's all going to be on 20 the same day. 21 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 22 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's what I'm talking 23 about. So it's going to be cumulative and all of a 24 sudden the flood gates open. I'm just curious about it. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: No. 57 1 MRS. SHELTON: Because instead of -- like, 2 if you were going to receive -- let's say you normally 3 were paid a thousand dollars and now you're going to get 4 a thousand and ten dollars. Just throw that out there. 5 That ten dollars, instead of taking affect on the 15th 6 of October, the ten dollars will not be effective until 7 January. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. 9 MRS. SHELTON: So -- so whatever -- and yes, 10 you may have ten employees that may get that ten dollars 11 more, but overall you're going to get less for the 12 entire year. 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. So really, we're 14 cutting it in half. Instead of everybody starting in 15 October 1, you're staggering it. Is that the idea? Is 16 that the point? 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The -- 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I'm trying to figure 19 out the point. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- the point is to have 21 it because we have had a number of employees that we've 22 missed their anniversary date and this is -- makes it 23 consistent. We're doing it four times a year now. 24 Longevity increases are not done -- every day someone -- 25 because like right now, if -- if you start -- started 58 1 the first of January -- well, maybe that's not a good 2 example because you started the 1st of January. Take 3 Kelly. Kelly started January 15th. Well, her pay gets 4 -- right now gets adjusted on the 15th. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That might be in the 7 middle of a pay period. So you gotta go in and -- and 8 work it. This is making it so everyone in that first 9 quarter, you're getting it the first pay period. 10 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Now that makes sense. 11 So it really coordinates everything. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: The benefit -- the added 13 benefit is it will save us a little bit of money, but to 14 me the reason for it is much more -- simplicity in 15 accounting. 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah. That makes 17 sense. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Sorry I didn't explain 19 it so well the first time. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, as it is with 300 21 employees, you could have -- and Jennifer would know 22 this, you could have an anniversary date on 300 days a 23 year. 24 MRS. DOSS: Oh, yeah. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So -- 59 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. 2 MRS. DOSS: Right. We have people hitting 3 it every pay period. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I just didn't want us 5 to have two pay periods where we go, bang, that slams 6 the County. So that's what I was hearing on the first 7 roll. But now I get it. 8 JUDGE KELLY: Sheriff. 9 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: My only concern is I 10 don't see it being fair to every employee. Say you've 11 got an employee that starts two days after the beginning 12 of that first quarter. Okay. His longevity increase 13 will not go into effect until the second quarter, okay. 14 So no matter what, he loses those months that he worked, 15 okay. Now you got an employee that starts two days 16 before the end of that first quarter, his longevity goes 17 in effect two days later. 18 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: That's the luck of the 19 draw, I think. 20 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Well -- 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, somebody's got to 22 be the last one in the gate. 23 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: -- it may be luck of 24 the draw but -- but we have a form that says -- it 25 should -- I didn't know, and Jennifer can correct me if 60 1 I'm wrong, I thought right now they're going into effect 2 at the next pay period. It's not on the day of the -- 3 it's -- it actually begins, you know, like the next pay 4 period. So you're not having to figure it for a ten-day 5 period; you're figuring it at the next pay period is 6 when it should be taking effect. And every department 7 head has a form that we already fill out and send to HR 8 with the effective date, and what it -- whether it's 9 longevity, whether it's educational, whether it's 10 promotion, whether it's whatever, that changes that. 11 And I -- you know, I just -- at one time we 12 did them in the past, and I think it was yearly or we 13 did them -- you know, and it really ended up not being 14 fair to all employees. And I think if you're going to 15 do it, you need to make it fair to all employees. And 16 the only way I think you can come close is at the 17 beginning of the next pay period and use the forms that 18 we've been doing and show when it is. Unless it's just 19 over saving money. 20 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Well, it's not just 21 saving money; it's saving in accounting and figuring and 22 everything else. 23 MRS. DOSS: Well, another thing is, you 24 know, we wait until the salary study's done and it's -- 25 there will be changes at that point. So we'll just lump 61 1 all the changes together instead of changing now and 2 then change it later. That was another -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. That's the other 4 stuff we can talk about, not doing anything right now 5 and do it all under the salary study, where the 6 committee is pretty unanimous. There will be changes to 7 longevity policy recommended. 8 SHERIFF HIERHOLZER: Yeah. Because then 9 you're talking maybe a stipend and waiting until then 10 and see what the whole salary study does. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: That's fine. This is 12 just one that helps budget wise and helps us to see -- 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So do we need to take 14 action or no? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Did I make a motion? 16 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I think you did. 17 JUDGE KELLY: Do we have a motion? 18 MRS. DOWDY: I've got a motion from 19 Commissioner Letz. 20 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: And I seconded it, I 21 thought. 22 JUDGE KELLY: And Harris had the second? 23 Okay. Any other discussion about this? Those in favor 24 raise your hand. Those opposed raise your hand. Those 25 abstain raise your hand. 62 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I don't get it. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Bizarre. Just put it off. 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah. 4 JUDGE KELLY: Well, it passes two to zero. 5 It's time to take a break. Court's going to 6 be in recess for five minutes. And when we come back, 7 we're going to start back on Agenda Item number 1.14 and 8 do the 10:00 timed item. Court is in recess. 9 (Recess.) 10 JUDGE KELLY: We have Mr. Chuck Kimbrough 11 here, our Counsel from Austin. I convene this public 12 meeting. Is there anyone here that would like to 13 address the Court regarding our tax abatement and 14 economic development policy? 15 Well, there being no one, then I'm going to 16 go ahead and adjourn the meeting and move on to item 17 1.15 consider, discuss and take appropriate action 18 regarding the approval of the proposed Kerr County, 19 Texas Economic Development Program. Including 20 Guidelines and Criteria for Tax Abatement and all 21 related matters. 22 We have a provision here so to be able to go 23 into executive session if needed, but I suspect we can 24 get all this done in open meeting. Mr. Kimbrough. 25 MR. KIMBROUGH: Thank you. May it please 63 1 the Court. The public hearing is concluded? 2 JUDGE KELLY: Yes. 3 MR. KIMBROUGH: Okay. Just so now we're on 4 the action item. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Right. 6 MR. KIMBROUGH: The requirements of the law 7 indicate that you need a written Board order. And I've 8 provided the Court with such an order with the proposed 9 economic development program document attached as 10 Exhibit 1. And then attached to the program order, of 11 course, is the application form whereby a developer 12 would, if it was approved, like the guidelines say, you 13 fill out an application form and provide all the 14 documentation. The proposed application form is 15 attached to the program instrument. And so I sent the 16 staff of the County Judge's office a collated document 17 that has the order first and the program instrument 18 behind it, with a big black number on the right bottom 19 side of each page. You know, one is the first page and 20 all the way to the end is Page 43. 21 JUDGE KELLY: And this is the same order 22 that we worked with that we approved -- that we worked 23 from last time? 24 MR. KIMBROUGH: Yes, sir. With the -- you 25 know, with the changes that we made for the public 64 1 hearing draft that was ready for discussion on the 2 previous agenda item. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Well, just -- just for the 4 sake of the Commissioners' Court, maybe -- maybe you 5 should recount the problems we had getting our notice 6 out for the public meeting? 7 MR. KIMBROUGH: Okay. I will, sir. I will, 8 sir. 9 JUDGE KELLY: We -- we covered our bases 10 four ways to Sunday on this. 11 MR. KIMBROUGH: That's a great way to 12 describe it. The law oftentimes dictates what type of 13 public notice predicate must occur to let you do 14 something in Court and tax abatement criteria guidelines 15 in 312 of the Tax Code has those rules. The 16 Legislature, with the Statute 412.002, Subparagraph C-1, 17 added -- in September of last year, added a requirement 18 that before you enact guidelines and criteria for tax 19 abatement, change and modify them, amend them, extend 20 them, you must hold a public hearing. 21 And I gave the County Judge's office and the 22 County Attorney a big stack of stuff about what we did, 23 and this is what happened. The current statute just 24 says hold the public hearing. Now, there's another 25 statute later on in the development process regarding 65 1 tax abatement law, when you create a tax abatement 2 reinvestment zone, if you do so after a developer files 3 an application and says, yeah, I want to create a zone 4 and I want a tax abatement, too. 5 To create the zone, there are special public 6 hearing predicate requirements. You have to hold a 7 public hearing before the zone is created. You have to 8 public notice in a newspaper at least seven days before 9 the hearing. You have to give direct letter notice to 10 each taxing entity that has land inside the proposed 11 zone. Okay. But that's down the road. That's -- 12 that's not on establishing guidelines. That's the 13 public hearing required before you create a reinvestment 14 zone. So you've heard me on at least two occasions 15 formally say I don't know of any rule that says you have 16 to do that extra notice to predicate your public hearing 17 for guidelines. 18 Well, on the 8th of June, I learned that the 19 Texas Comptroller's Office had a difference of opinion. 20 8 June was after I'd been here on May the 26th. So on 9 21 June when I got back to the office from West Texas where 22 I learned about the guidance document on the 23 Comptroller's website, I took a look. And, lo and 24 behold, the Comptroller had a guidance document that 25 says hey, there's a new statute for guideline criteria 66 1 public hearing. You've got to do that extra notice, 2 too. Newspaper notice and give the taxing entities 3 written letter notice, at least seven days ahead of 4 time. 5 So I called up Mr. Frank Alvarez at the 6 Comptroller's Office, he runs the tax abatement side of 7 their work, and I visited with him and I showed him the 8 statute and I said it doesn't say that. And we've been 9 telling clients all over Texas since the new statute 10 went into effect, it's just a public hearing 11 requirement, not that extra stuff that you use for 12 zones. All you have to do is predicate hearing on the 13 guidelines is open meeting notice, 72 hours ahead of 14 time on your agenda. 15 JUDGE KELLY: And his response was? 16 MR. KIMBROUGH: Oh. Okay. I doubt I'm the 17 only lawyer that called it to their attention. But 18 so -- 19 JUDGE KELLY: So Chuck calls me and he says 20 we got to do all these additional notices -- 21 MR. KIMBROUGH: And -- and Miss Stebbins -- 22 JUDGE KELLY: And Ms. Stebbins -- 23 MR. KIMBROUGH: So the three of us -- go 24 ahead, Judge. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Well, he called and said we 67 1 got to do all this extra stuff. 2 MR. KIMBROUGH: Maybe. 3 JUDGE KELLY: But he says, I think they're 4 wrong. But it's on the website. So do you take the 5 chance that they're wrong? So we did every single 6 notice that they wanted us to do. 7 MR. KIMBROUGH: Yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Just to make it clear, 9 what was on the website, the proposed -- 10 MR. KIMBROUGH: Notice of our -- 11 JUDGE KELLY: In order to have the public 12 meeting we just had, we had to have all of these 13 notices. 14 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 15 JUDGE KELLY: Chuck told us we just had to 16 have it set for a public notice for a hearing. 17 MR. KIMBROUGH: Or open meeting act is -- 18 JUDGE KELLY: Open meeting act. 19 MR. KIMBROUGH: -- the way to do it. Yeah. 20 JUDGE KELLY: And so the Comptroller came up 21 with guidelines. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. So I got that. 23 JUDGE KELLY: A list of stuff that -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: But what -- but what 25 was on the website? 68 1 JUDGE KELLY: -- we had to do. I gave 2 all -- the list of stuff of these different places. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 4 MR. KIMBROUGH: I -- I prepared a -- all the 5 stack of papers that we did plus your internal notice 6 document as well as -- you know, and there -- there's an 7 explanation on page 1 at part one and I gave you a 8 notebook. And the Comptroller, June 9 guidance 9 document, the incorrect one's on there. So we did -- 10 we put it in the newspaper, gave the notice. I made 11 telephone calls. I did e-mails. We got it whipped last 12 Monday. We got it in -- 13 JUDGE KELLY: And the reason was, if I 14 remember right, Chuck -- 15 MR. KIMBROUGH: Yeah. 16 JUDGE KELLY: -- if we ever got challenged 17 about the notice for our public meeting somewhere down 18 the road, 10, 15, 20 years, they can come in and 19 challenge it and set aside all the tax abatement and 20 economic development that we've been doing for decades. 21 So I told Chuck, let's be on the safe side. Let's do it 22 all and we did that. And then, what was it, two days 23 later? 24 MR. KIMBROUGH: Right. So I -- so Monday, 25 the 15th was seven days before today, and that was when 69 1 I was calling each entity and giving them an extra 2 e-mail, too. The letters were sent out Federal Express. 3 And they all hit correctly, but I did the e-mail 4 because -- e-mails to each of them, because I was, you 5 know, you worry about Federal Express these days with 6 everything that's going on. So, last Thursday -- what 7 was that? Whatever last Thursday's date was. I decided 8 I might just look on the Comptroller's website and see 9 what's going on. They corrected it. Thursday on the 10 17th they corrected it. So I called Mr. Alvarez again. 11 I said hey, I noticed you corrected it. He said, Yes, 12 sir. Thank you. And so I didn't tell him what county I 13 was working for but -- 14 JUDGE KELLY: But Kerr County's responsible 15 for -- 16 (Talking over). 17 MR. KIMBROUGH: -- you had -- but I want to 18 caution you about something. Now, the law says when you 19 establish guidelines and criteria for tax abatement, 20 again, it's the -- the statute that's been out there 21 forever. 412 -- Chapter 412 of the Tax Code is the tax 22 abatement procedural part of our law. 412.002. Excuse 23 me, 312.002 is the guidelines and criteria statute. 24 That's where it says you have to hold the public hearing 25 if you're going to change your guidelines or revise them 70 1 or extend them. And your guidelines last for two years. 2 So like we talked about before, if you do 3 this today with a recorded public vote to approve the 4 economic development program, which includes guidelines 5 and criteria for tax abatement, you have to put it on 6 your tickler or your -- the staff, the County Attorney 7 and I will be thinking about it for sure. 8 Just think about that when the summer, when 9 springs ends and when the summer comes around, your 10 guidelines need to be reviewed. And when that happens, 11 if the law stays the same you'll have to have another 12 public hearing. And when you do that, you can give 13 extra notice if you want to. To put it in the newspaper 14 and to give e-mails or direct letters to the taxing 15 entity, it's just fine. You don't have to do it, but it 16 -- it sure is a good thing to think about doing in my 17 judgment. 18 And I told Mr. Alvarez that. When we began 19 to discuss the incorrect guidance document that the 20 Comptroller had up on June 9, I said, you know, we're 21 going to do what you say. Because it -- you know, it's 22 good public policy. It's transparency. But 23 technically, that statute does not require it at this 24 point. 25 Questions about notice. Any questions about 71 1 the, you know, the program itself. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Was the policy that you 3 modified based on our last public hearing -- 4 MR. KIMBROUGH: Yes, sir. 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- that was posted on 6 the County website? 7 MR. KIMBROUGH: It was. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 9 MR. KIMBROUGH: I did get a copy of the 10 notice and the document and the letter. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. That was posted 12 on the public website. Because people have called me 13 and asked about it and I said it's -- it's on the County 14 website. It's there. Based on the recommended changes 15 that we made at the last public hearing, okay. So 16 that's been there for several weeks. 17 MR. KIMBROUGH: Probably be around the end 18 of the month of May. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. So that is that 20 people -- people want to see that. We just had a public 21 hearing. So no one was here at the public hearing to 22 make any comments on that policy, draft policy, 23 preapproved policy which is on the website. Okay. Just 24 wanted to make that clear. Okay. Good. 25 MR. KIMBROUGH: I want to make sure you're 72 1 aware of a sort of a nuance that we sort of brushed over 2 the last time I was here. Remember that this document 3 on y'all's instructions was to be a comprehensive, full 4 blown document that's forward thinking that combines 5 guidelines and criteria policy, which is required, 6 before you can do tax abatement under 312 of the Tax 7 Code, plus just straight economic development agreements 8 that do not involve tax abatement under Chapter 381 of 9 the Local Government Code. 10 Our law is, in my opinion, that you cannot 11 charge an application fee unless there is a statute that 12 says you can do so. The nuance between Chapter 381 13 economic development agreements, Chapter 312 tax 14 abatement agreements is this. Chapter 312 says you can 15 charge an application fee to cover your internal 16 reviews, procedures, internal costs of review, up to a 17 thousand dollars. 18 This document says for tax abatement 19 agreements there's a thousand dollar application fee. 20 Okay. But for straight 381 agreement, Chapter 381 21 agreements, economic development agreements under 22 Chapter 381 that do not involve tax abatement, there is 23 no statute to my knowledge which lets you charge a fee 24 for that. So how do you recover your internal review 25 cost, and a lot of times out of pocket costs like 73 1 attorney's fees and maybe consultants, maybe surveyors, 2 you know, whatever they are, on a 381 Agreement. You 3 negotiate that with your developer. Questions about 4 fees. That's all I have, Your Honor. Thank you. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Well, I will go ahead 6 and make the motion that we approve the order as 7 presented by Mr. Kimbrough to approve the proposed Kerr 8 County, Texas Economic Development Program, Including 9 Guidelines and Criteria for Tax Abatements and all 10 related matters. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 12 JUDGE KELLY: I made the motion, seconded by 13 Commissioner Letz to approve the motion as presented. 14 Is there any further discussion? Okay. Those in favor 15 raise your hand. Unanimous, five zero. 16 This is one that we all have to sign. I've 17 already signed it and I'll pass it on and circulate it. 18 Thank you, Mr. Kimbrough. 19 MR. KIMBROUGH: Thank you. 20 JUDGE KELLY: I'm glad we finally got this 21 done, even though we did take the long way home. 22 MR. KIMBROUGH: The cautious long way home. 23 JUDGE KELLY: Yeah, the cautious long way 24 home. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Prudent. Now we can 74 1 tackle subdivisions. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Let's go back to item 3 -- oh, we got all these 10:00 items. Let me do that. 4 The next one is 1.16 consider, discuss and 5 take appropriate action to set a public hearing 6 regarding "No Parking" signs installed at -- is it -- 7 MS. HOFFER: Homilius. 8 JUDGE KELLY: -- Homilius Road, East Bridge, 9 Precinct 3. Ms. Hoffer. 10 MS. HOFFER: Good morning. On May 17th of 11 2020, Chris Summers made a request to Marshall Heap at 12 the TxDOT Office regarding trespassing issues property 13 owners were having along the Guadalupe River near 14 Homilius Road East Bridge. 15 Mr. Heap then, once he realized that it was 16 out of their jurisdiction, reported it to Charlie 17 Hastings, the Kerr County Engineer. We had spoke with 18 Commissioner Letz on this. Charlie and I had gone out 19 and looked at it. Charlie has put a map in there for 20 some "No Parking" signs on the bridge. 21 And so at this time, I ask the 22 Commissioners' Court to set a public hearing regarding 23 the installation of "No Parking" signs at the Homilius 24 Road East Bridge for Monday, July 27th, 2020, at 25 10:00 a.m., and that's in Precinct 3. 75 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I move to set a public 2 hearing. 3 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 4 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 5 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 6 set a public hearing for July 12th -- is that what it 7 was? 8 MS. HOFFER: 27th. 9 JUDGE KELLY: 27th. Any further discussion? 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I'll just make a 11 comment. This is a -- it's a very small -- it's a 12 county bridge. County maintained bridge. But it's a 13 very small road. It probably went under the public 14 radar for years and years because they couldn't get 15 there but evidently people have found out and they are 16 causing damage to people's property. So I told them 17 they -- I thought we should probably put up some 18 boulders along the edge of their property to keep people 19 out. But, you know, it's something that we can do. 20 We've done it in other areas to try to limit people 21 abusing the right-of-way. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. So this is just a 23 motion to set the public hearing? 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Correct. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Any other discussion? 76 1 Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, five zero. 2 MS. HOFFER: Thank you. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. 1.17 public 4 hearing to discontinue maintenance of portions of 5 Riverview Road and Rowland Lane, Precinct 4. 6 This is a public meeting. It now comes to 7 order. Is there anybody who would like to address the 8 Court with regard to discontinuing the maintenance to 9 portions of Riverview Road and Rowland Lane? There 10 being none, then I will go ahead and adjourn the public 11 meeting, and we'll go on to 1.18 consider, discuss and 12 take appropriate action to discontinue maintenance on 13 portions of Riverview Road and Rowland Lane. 14 Mr. Hastings. 15 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you, Judge. The City 16 of Ingram has recently annexed portions of Riverview 17 Road and Rowland Lane, which are now their ownership and 18 maintenance responsible. In order to allow for the City 19 of Ingram to fully serve their recently annexed 20 citizens, especially with centralized sanitary sewer 21 service, it is both necessary and prudent that 22 maintenance of all of the said roads become their 23 responsibility. The legal descriptions of both 24 Riverview Road and Rowland Lane are attached in your 25 packet. 77 1 According to Texas statutes, the Court may 2 order public roads laid out, discontinue, close, 3 abandon, vacated or altered. The statute defines the 4 relevant terms for discontinue would be to discontinue 5 the maintenance of the road. The County Engineer 6 recommends that this Court discontinue maintenance of 7 the portions of Riverview Road and Rowland Lane that 8 have not been annexed by the City of Ingram as of this 9 date, allowing Ingram to have full control of all 10 portions of both roads. This is in Precinct 4. And 11 we're asking you to discontinue the maintenance so that 12 they can have control of the entire sections of both of 13 those roads. 14 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move for approval. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 16 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 17 Commissioner Harris, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 18 approve the discontinuation of maintenance of Riverview 19 Road and Rowland Lane, Precinct 4. Any other 20 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, 21 five zero. 22 Item 1.19 public hearing for a revision of 23 plat for Tierra Vista, Lots 33, 34, 35R, and the 24 recreation area. Charlie Hastings. 25 MR. HASTINGS: Public hearing first? 78 1 JUDGE KELLY: Oh, it's public hearing. 2 Okay. I call the meeting to order. Is there anybody 3 here that would like to address the Court with regard to 4 this matter? There being none, the public meeting is 5 adjourned and we move on to 1.20. Consider, discuss and 6 take appropriate action for the Court to approve a 7 revision of plat for Tierra Vista, Lots 33, 34, 35R, and 8 the recreation area. Charlie Hastings. 9 MR. HASTINGS: This proposal combines 10 Lots 33, 34, and a portion of the recreation area into 11 Lot 33R. It also combines Lot 35R with a portion of the 12 recreation area into Lot 35R1. Access to the lots will 13 be from Tierra Vista. You have the plat in front of 14 you. It's been signed by everybody that needs to sign 15 it. 16 The County Engineer requests the Court 17 approve a revision of plat for Tierra Vista, Lots 33, 18 34, 35R, and the recreation area. The plat file number 19 is 16-01809, in Volume 4, Page 94. This is in Precinct 20 1. We just held a public hearing and nobody spoke. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move for approval. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 23 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 24 Commissioner Belew, seconded by Commissioner Letz to 25 approve the revision of plat as presented. Any further 79 1 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, 2 five zero. 3 Our last timed item at ten o'clock is 1.21 4 consider, discuss and take appropriate action for the 5 Court to set a public hearing for 10:00 a.m. on 6 July 27th, 2020 for a revision of plat for Spicer Ranch 7 Lots 25 and 31. Charlie Hastings. 8 MR. HASTINGS: Thank you. This proposal 9 revises Lot 31, which is 12.087 acres, and Lot 25, 3.056 10 acres, into Lot 31R, 13.939 acres, and Lot 25R, 1.189 11 acres, with a portion of the recreation area. Lot 31R 12 has a private water well and Lot 25R will connect to a 13 public water system. Access to the lots will be from 14 Spicer Loop and Trent Road. The County Engineer 15 requests the Court set a public hearing for 10:00 a.m. 16 on July 27th, 2020, for a revision of plat for Spicer 17 Ranch Lots 25 and 31, Volume 3, Page 56, Precinct 1. 18 And I apologize. I said something about a 19 portion of the recreation area. That was not part of 20 this plat. I was confusing that with the last one. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I have a question for 22 you, Charlie. Is this -- we've talked to the folks at 23 9-1-1 about the street names here. 24 MR. HASTINGS: Yes. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And is that going to 80 1 change -- is Pat or Trent, one of those going to change 2 now? Before -- before this is filed? 3 MR. HASTINGS: Neither one of them changes. 4 The way that they've got this plat is -- is correct. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Will this have to be 6 changed before it's in the permanent Court records? 7 Depending on what they do at 9-1-1? 8 MR. HASTINGS: I -- I don't understand. 9 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, if they rename 10 one of those roads -- 11 MR. HASTINGS: They're not going to rename 12 it. They've -- 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 14 MR. HASTINGS: -- they've -- I think we had 15 a meeting the other day and they've already contacted 16 the property owners and let them know what the names of 17 those roads actually are based on a court order that the 18 Court went through years ago. 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 20 MR. HASTINGS: 2001, I believe. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I move for approval. 22 JUDGE KELLY: To set a public hearing? 23 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We have to set a public 24 hearing. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Oh, it's a public 81 1 hearing. To set the public hearing. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Commissioner Harris, are you 3 going to second that? 4 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yes. 5 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Motion's been made by 6 Commissioner Belew, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 7 set a public meeting for 10:00 a.m. on July the 27th, 8 2020, for a revision of plat for Spicer Ranch, Lots 25 9 and 31. Any other discussion? Those in favor raise 10 your hand. Five zero, unanimous. 11 Okay. Let's go back and pick up item 1.12 12 on the agenda. Consider, discuss and take appropriate 13 action regarding the projected reduction in revenue for 14 Fiscal Year 2020-2021 and options that could be taken to 15 accommodate any reductions. Commissioner Moser. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Judge, several Court 17 sessions ago I asked the Auditor based on concerns that 18 people had in the community about reduced revenue 19 because of COVID-19. They then -- if, in fact, we did 20 have a reduction revenue, what would our course of 21 action be to make a mid-course correction for the 22 remainder of this year. The good news is we're right on 23 our plan as far as revenue and expenditures and there's 24 -- there's no action needed. This is just for 25 information. But I don't know if the County Auditor 82 1 wants to expand on that. But I met with she and James 2 Robles this past week and that is really good news for 3 Kerr County. Okay. Even though there's been a lot of 4 curtailment in sales in different places, it hasn't 5 affected our -- I thought it would affect our tax -- our 6 revenue from sales tax, it has not. 7 JUDGE KELLY: We took that temporary dip and 8 that's about it. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yep. 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: It's been a pleasant 11 surprise. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's a very good 13 surprise. Somebody made the suggestion, and it may be 14 true, that maybe more people stayed in Kerrville as -- 15 as opposed to -- as opposed to going to other places, 16 Fredericksburg and San Antonio, okay, out to dinner and 17 so forth, so anyway, that's all good new and I just 18 wanted to close that on that discussion we had several 19 weeks ago. 20 JUDGE KELLY: Very good. Then let's go to 21 Item 1.13 consider, discuss and take appropriate action 22 regarding nominations for the Guadalupe Basin Flood 23 Planning group. Commissioner Moser. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yes, thank you, Judge. 25 It was brought to my attention by UGRA and some of the 83 1 former members. Mike Allen in particular, a former 2 Board Member of UGRA. About a Texas Water Development 3 Board is initiating the activity for state flood 4 planning activity. And it's -- this would be the first 5 time that there's been such a statewide plan developed. 6 It's supposed to be developed by January of 2023. The 7 reason I bring it here today is it's for information. 8 Okay. And it's -- there's two things that come out of 9 this. Number one, there will be a planning group, which 10 is established for 15 regions in the state where 11 flooding is a potential. We are in Region 12, which is 12 a very narrow region, which goes -- begins in Kerr 13 County and goes all the way down to the coast. 14 Following the Guadalupe River. The Texas Water 15 Development Board has asked for nominations for members 16 of this planning group, of which there will be 12 17 members. The nominations have to be submitted by 18 July the 2nd. So -- 19 JUDGE KELLY: Of this year? 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Of this year, right. 21 So I'm going to come back to that in a second with a 22 recommendation. But -- and that is -- it will be made 23 up -- and this group will develop the plan, okay. It is 24 to be made up of people nominated for the group and 25 representing counties, cities, small businesses, 84 1 environmental people. 12 different specific groups that 2 will be in the planning group. They will be approved by 3 the Water Development Board who these members will be 4 based on the nominations. There's another group that's 5 called a support -- a sponsor group. Okay. That has to 6 be a public entity, like a County or a City, or an 7 approved district like -- or area like UGRA. And that 8 nomination has to be in by July 2nd, too. I've had some 9 dialog with Ray Buck with UGRA on this. Haven't had any 10 discussions with the City. So what I propose is I will 11 -- myself and whoever on the Court wants to -- close the 12 loop with UGRA and come back to the Court next Monday, 13 okay, with recommendations on -- of members for the -- 14 for the planning group, and also for who the sponsors 15 should be. I'll also forward the link to the Water 16 Development Board, which delineates this activity and 17 what the objective is. So that's -- that's basically 18 what it is. Sorry for the short notice, but I heard 19 about this just this past week. So it -- it looks like 20 it's very important. It's the first time the State will 21 have a statewide flood planning flood plan, okay, for -- 22 for 15 different regions in the state. So I think it's 23 an important function. The thing that the sponsoring 24 entity will be -- they will interact with Water 25 Development Board for applications -- or grant 85 1 applications for funds and they will also provide 2 meeting places for the -- for the planning group. The 3 sponsoring organization will not have any say in the 4 actual planning group activities themselves so. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Let me -- a little bit. 6 So these are being modeled exactly after the regional 7 water planning group. And the -- the planning -- the 8 sponsor is -- actually there will be determined as 9 political subdivision, which UGRA is for Region J. That 10 entity handles all the money and all of the public -- 11 you know, a lot of -- of it. You know, we're a little 12 bit unique. 13 Jody does the -- then there's an 14 administrative person, which is not necessarily that 15 entity, which Jody serves for Region J, and I'm Chair, 16 and it just works out pretty easily that way. But the 17 format is going to be very similar to the region -- 18 well, it's going to be exactly like the regional water 19 planning group. It is very important. 20 I've been in communication with Commissioner 21 Durden in Kendall County trying to figure out who -- 22 what names should be recommended for what slots so that 23 there's, as much as possible, no -- you know, everyone's 24 in agreement and the more people -- the more entities 25 that support the same slate of candidates, the more 86 1 important it is -- or the better likely to have people 2 on that. So I think it's a good -- and it -- it would 3 be my recommendation to submit the whole -- all 12 4 members on a slate that we recommend. 5 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Do they need to 6 represent different entities? 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They represent different 8 interest groups. 9 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Interest groups. 10 Right. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: So you could have a -- 12 as an example, I represent -- 13 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So it could be ag, 14 business, is that what you're talking about? 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. Yeah. And -- and 16 I'm not sure of all the ones for this but there's a 17 public one. Don Durden recommended that he was 18 interested in being the public representative. There 19 will be a County representative. 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Agriculture. Small 21 business. Environmental. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Agriculture. Small 23 business. And Region J, I'm actually the small business 24 representative; I'm not a County representative. The 25 County representative is held by Real County. So -- 87 1 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Would the camp fall 2 under businesses or -- if we had a camp representative, 3 would that fall under businesses? 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They could be small 5 businesses, they could be tourism. 6 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Okay. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They'd probably be 8 better under tourism actually than small business. But 9 anyway, there's a number of interests. I think it's a 10 -- I'm working with Commissioner Moser and Ray Buck and 11 try to come up with a whole group -- 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: We'll have to come back 13 with something next week. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- with a whole 15 recommended slate and -- 16 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So how many counties 17 are affected? 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Our -- this region is 19 probably about -- 20 COMMISSIONER MOSER: This Region 12 is -- 21 JUDGE KELLY: 15. Ballpark. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- probably -- I don't 23 think there are that many counties. 24 COMMISSIONER LETZ: There's only about six 25 or seven. 88 1 JUDGE KELLY: All the way to the coast? 2 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, but just right 3 along the river. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's very, very narrow. 5 I'll -- I've already sent a thing on the website. You 6 can go and you can look at the map and everything else. 7 So it's got a short fuse on it. I don't know why we 8 didn't -- you know, we missed something or something. I 9 didn't -- I didn't know about it, and then -- well, 10 fortunately UGRA brought it to our attention. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah. How do these 12 things get established? How is it that we don't get any 13 kind of -- 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We had notice. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It was established in 16 the last legislative session. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. There's been a 18 lot of notice. It's just that -- 19 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I didn't see any. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It was -- there was a 21 whole public meeting at UGRA about this in April -- or 22 maybe it was before all this -- or must have been in 23 December period. And, you know, I guess it's been 24 percolating through. It's just that it hasn't -- you 25 know, that -- until they decided when the nominations 89 1 are due it probably didn't, quote, rise to the top. 2 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Yeah, that's -- 3 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Now it's on top. 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So this is for 5 information to be back next Monday with recommendations. 6 JUDGE KELLY: Very good. Very good. Okay. 7 Let's go to Item 1.22 consider, discuss and take 8 appropriate action regarding the workshops held on 9 June 17th for the Volunteer Fire Departments and 10 Veterans Services Office for future recommendations. 11 I put this on the agenda so that we don't 12 drop the ball. I know four of us were there and heard 13 Commissioner Letz and it was a robust discussion. Both 14 workshops. Very long day. We had a lot of interested 15 participants. It was very well attended. And what -- a 16 couple of takeaways that I got that I want to share 17 because we're coming up on our first budget workshop op 18 Wednesday and going into the budget season. 19 When I first prepared my proposed budget, I 20 put -- I distinguished between what were necessary 21 services that the County needed to provide, that we're 22 required to, that we're mandated by law to do, and what 23 is not mandated. And at the beginning of this meeting, 24 Commissioner Letz made the comment about I think these 25 are important things. And for those of you that have 90 1 not watched the YouTube of those workshops, I apologize 2 for the acoustics because it's pretty bad acoustics, but 3 it's very informative. And with both of these groups, 4 the Volunteer Fire Departments and the Veterans, it was 5 acknowledged that what the services that they provide, 6 although not mandated, something that we absolutely have 7 to provide as a County, are very worthwhile services. 8 And so we're trying to come up with ways to be able to 9 interface with them and help promote their -- them 10 providing their services and how we're going to be able 11 to fund it at the County level. 12 And I got -- let me just take the Volunteer 13 Fire Departments first. I thought Commissioner Belew 14 did an excellent job in walking through a number of fire 15 departments of where they are economically right now 16 with regard to their resources. And how much money did 17 they have to run their operation. And I was surprised 18 -- and pleasantly surprised that most of them have 19 enough money to run their operations for at least 20 another two years, maybe three, without -- without us 21 funding anything. Which gives me a sigh of relief that 22 we're -- we're not throwing anybody in the grease here, 23 okay. But at the same time, some are very -- in very 24 significant need short term. And so one of the things 25 that -- that I heard, and you know, sometimes you think 91 1 you hear something and you kind of misunderhear, but I 2 think what I heard is that most of the fire departments 3 have planned these contributions to be in their budget. 4 But if -- even if we did not make those contributions, 5 what I'm hearing is they could still keep their doors 6 open. But there's a need out there. 7 And one of the things that I mentioned as a 8 possible solution is rather than coming up with cookie 9 cutter payments to the Volunteer Fire Departments, that 10 we come up with a fund, like a contingency fund for 11 Volunteer Fire Departments, and do it and award those 12 funds out through the year on the basis of need. And 13 they're seemed to be, I think, pretty much universal 14 consistence that they would be very receptive in doing 15 something like that. And in order to do that, what I 16 perceive it's almost like a grant application. They 17 have the need, they file an application with us and then 18 we get a chance to review the need and see what we can 19 -- what we can come up with to try to support them. And 20 so for the budget, as we start these other workshops, my 21 thought would be to see if we could find an amount of 22 money that we could put in there as a contingency and 23 then let the various Volunteer Fire Departments who need 24 the money come to us and apply for it. It was 25 interesting that a number of the fire departments are 92 1 financially self-supported, which is good to know. But 2 if we're going to try to change how we interface with 3 them, it seems like to me, a good basis would be to do 4 it on some sort of need test. That's on the Volunteer 5 Fire Departments. And I opened a discussion up on that 6 and then we'll talk about the Veterans Service here in 7 just a second. 8 COMMISSIONER LETZ: I guess my -- or a 9 question on that or concern would be that you're 10 essentially rewarding those that aren't doing as good a 11 job. I mean, if -- if Hunt or Divide, take Divide, very 12 well run. Very well funded fire department. They don't 13 need the money. And say Center Point. And there's 14 another well run fire department, but they need the 15 money. I mean, they haven't been as successful fund 16 raising. So just because, you know, it's kind of like 17 you're giving the money to those that haven't been as 18 successful at the fund raising, and maybe it's because 19 of their demographics and maybe it's because they don't 20 try as hard. I mean, I don't know the reason. But 21 you're rewarding those -- because they -- because Center 22 Point, and I'm just picking them out as a name, they 23 need it, whereas -- but they need it because they 24 haven't been as successful fund raising, and what are 25 the reasons for that. 93 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, they're all a 2 little -- one of the things that we talked about is that 3 Center Point is already looking into forming an ESD, 4 which, you know, would be awhile before they would ever 5 see any money from that. But Divide is the example you 6 used, wouldn't do any good doing an ESD. So their needs 7 are different. But they have a great fundraiser on the 8 other hand. A very successful fundraiser. Center Point 9 has one that's probably not as big a deal. So -- 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I think what we need 11 to look at is the near future and then down the road. 12 Some of them looking at ESD's for down the road. That's 13 not going to help them a lick this next year. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That's right. We 15 shouldn't change anything on them I don't think this 16 year. 17 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I can tell you another 18 one that's well run is Mountain Home. And they have an 19 ESD. Well, they bought a half a million dollar truck 20 last year or they approved it through their ESD. And 21 basically all their ESD money goes towards that truck 22 for the next ten years. And so -- and now they're not 23 having a fundraiser because of COVID, you know. They -- 24 a lot -- most of them aren't having these good 25 fundraisers and stuff because of economic times. They 94 1 don't want to ask their neighbors and stuff for -- to 2 donate in these down times and what have you. 3 And so -- and then if you take away that 4 $40,000 fundraiser some of them bring in and you take 5 away 25,000 from us, there's some of them, even though 6 they're well run, you know, this is a tough time this 7 next year. So we're going to have to do something. And 8 whether it's on a contingency deal or whatever, we are 9 going to have to do something. 10 JUDGE KELLY: But there's -- but in the time 11 of scarcity like we are right now, we want to make sure 12 that these Volunteer Fire Departments stay open, that 13 they keep providing these services. What they do is so 14 important for the County. But at the same time, if we 15 keep handing the money out the way we're doing it right 16 now, to people that don't need it, and so we're in the 17 position of having to cut other services or cut other 18 budgets, possibly raise taxes, to give people money that 19 don't need it. And there's something that is kind of 20 inconsistent about doing that. 21 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I think that is a 22 good plan to not do cookie cutter. And, number one, 23 make sure we support the Volunteer Fire Departments as 24 needed. The word need. And that's for -- therefore, 25 they should come to the Court and show what their need 95 1 is and us to have some fund that we think is appropriate 2 that is set aside for that. So I think -- I think it 3 was a good long discussion at that whole thing. So -- 4 and there's lots of variables. So I think need base is 5 the way to go. 6 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: And I'd ask most of 7 them to do that, send in what they need -- 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, they've got to do 9 that -- 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: -- at some point. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. Well, and when 12 they -- 13 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yeah. And I haven't 14 got anything yet. E-mails or anything. 15 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, when they need 16 the money they'll come forward. 17 JUDGE KELLY: I know but -- but here's -- 18 here's what I would like to see. And it's a little bit 19 like grant applications, which we've all become familiar 20 with the process. I would like to see maybe the last 21 year or two of their financial statements. The 22 compilations that they do. I'd like to see at least 23 year to date income statements to see the monies in and 24 monies out to see what they are. And I would like to 25 see some sort of application that explains we need new 96 1 tires for our fire truck or we need this or we need 2 that, just like we do with Road & Bridge. You come to 3 us and tell us what you need and -- and we give it to 4 you when we can and hope you understand when we can't. 5 But -- so that we have a little bit more formalized 6 process and get to know what actually goes on in these 7 VFDs. 8 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, it's -- if it's 9 going to run the way we're talking about, this proposal, 10 there would, I would think, need to be a cap on the 11 amount of money kept in that line item. 12 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And a cap that goes to 13 each fire department. I mean, and I think that we have 14 erred on one size fits all too much. I mean some of 15 them cover huge geographic areas and some have very 16 small. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And some have a wealthy 18 donor base and some do not. 19 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. Some do, that's 20 true. But the other thing that no one has talked about 21 that I've heard is the 800 pound gorilla, which is the 22 City of Kerrville across the street. We pay them a 23 million dollars a year for fire and EMS. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: 1.2. 25 COMMISSIONER LETZ: 1.2 million for fire and 97 1 EMS. And I -- and that's about to be more and that 2 contract's coming up, too. 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 4 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And to me, it's a little 5 bit -- I have a hard time just, you know, continuing 6 that which I don't see and I'll -- we have no 7 alternative for the next two years, I believe. 8 JUDGE KELLY: No, it's -- 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Three years. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Two more years. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah, but that -- 12 JUDGE KELLY: But what a great time to be 13 looking for grant money from the Federal Government to 14 do our own EMS. I know it's expensive. We -- 15 COMMISSIONER LETZ: It's not only expensive, 16 it's a matter of doing it. We -- we've looked -- I've 17 looked at that twice and it -- it doesn't -- it's not a 18 good picture. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: It's not. Right. 20 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And I'm glad to look at 21 it again, but it's just -- I just think that we -- you 22 can't just carve out the Volunteer Fire Departments and 23 figure out how to redo that unless you bring the City of 24 Kerrville into it because it's under the same budget. 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Because there are 98 1 reaches that the City provides fire services which are 2 not provided primarily by Volunteer Fire Departments 3 which are outside the City. That's in our agreement 4 with the City. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But they have a prime 6 that there are certain areas that are not covered by 7 Volunteer Fire Departments. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: I said prime. Yeah, 9 there -- 10 COMMISSIONER LETZ: They're primary in 11 certain areas. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah, they're -- the 13 City is primary in certain areas. 14 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, we have mutual 15 aid agreements though. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Huh? 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We have mutual aid 18 agreements. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, forget that. If -- 20 well I'll be very specific. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Okay. 22 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Where I live is not in 23 the City, but our primary fire protection, fire fighting 24 is from the City of Kerrville; not from Center Point. 25 Center Point is secondary. So there's a region all the 99 1 way around the City that the City, in our agreement with 2 them, is the primary fire fighting service for the 3 County. 4 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, is that something 5 we can review? 6 COMMISSIONER LETZ: In two, three years. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it comes up in 8 three years. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have a ten-year 10 agreement. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So -- so you're talking 12 about the area covered. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Okay. 14 JUDGE KELLY: I thought we looked at that. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: No, I mean that -- that 16 could be changed, I would think. 17 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, it can be 18 changed. Yeah, it can -- it's going to be up in two 19 years. And -- but it also includes fire fighting and 20 EMS. So it's -- it's complicated. 21 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Precinct one probably 22 has the most people covered by the City of any other 23 precinct. 24 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I would think so. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: So I -- you know, I'm 100 1 -- I'm happy to have everybody covered the way they are 2 right now and I'm happy that -- now some of the odd 3 things that we found out in these meetings are that, for 4 example, if there's a fire out by Garven Store that we 5 have City of Kerrville, if they're involved in it at all 6 they have to get in touch with the people in Comfort so 7 that they have a department that's completely covered by 8 the certifications they need to have a contract with, so 9 they go way the heck out there rather than calling 10 Mountain Home and Divide and so on. There's odd things 11 in these agreements that probably should be reviewed and 12 corrected, because that doesn't make any sense to 13 anybody. I don't think. And Chief Danny even admitted 14 he don't even know where the heck Garven Store is. 15 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Well, I asked and when 16 I mentioned what if I have a heart attack at Crider's, 17 where is Crider's? 18 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Oh, that's what it was, 19 it was Crider's. Don't know where Crider's is. You 20 know that everyone knows where Crider's is. Well, if 21 you don't know where Crider's is, you sure don't know 22 where the Garven Store is. I guarantee. Anyway. 23 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: You're right. 24 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But, I mean, he is 25 doing a great job for the City. And -- and I'm all for 101 1 all the fire fighters in all those places. 2 JUDGE KELLY: Now, let me address the 3 Veterans Services for a minute. That was a very 4 informative workshop. And very well presented and 5 researched by various individuals and veteran groups. 6 One of the upshots of all that is just the sheer 7 economic impact of the veterans community. We have 8 about 5,000 veterans, they said, in the County. Which 9 account for -- listen to this number, folks -- a hundred 10 million dollars cash influx into this County. That's a 11 huge amount of money. Yes. There's -- they're not a 12 mandated service that we provide, but they are our 13 veterans. 14 And the counties are picking up, trying to 15 take care of the veterans because they're not being 16 taken care of at other levels, but that's a tremendous 17 contribution that they make. 18 I did ask very pointed questions of several 19 of them about if we don't have the money to fund it this 20 year, where do we get the money. And I was given 21 basically three responses. And those of you that were 22 there will remember these responses. One was a 23 discussion about raising taxes and may we be amenable to 24 raising taxes. Well, you should have seen the horror on 25 our faces when they suggested raising taxes because 102 1 that's not the way we want to do this. But it is an 2 option. Another option that they gave us was grants. 3 And kind of like we do with our crime victims services, 4 we've been running that on grants. That's where that 5 money comes from to provide that service. And that 6 service, by the way, is mandated. It is required. But 7 the trouble with the grants is you've got a delay. We 8 won't be able to get any grants for this coming fiscal 9 year, so we'd have to put it off awhile to be able to do 10 that. And while that's a great suggestion, it doesn't 11 answer the immediate need. 12 And we talked about the -- the economies of 13 scale. And that if we close it down this year and try 14 to start up again next year, we're not going to have -- 15 it's going to cost us a whole lot more to shut it down 16 and start it back up. 17 And then the final, I thought probably the 18 most insightful recommendation I had for how to fund it 19 this year came from Paul Zolan (phonetic), the guy 20 sitting on the front row. And he got up and said if -- 21 if we have rainy day funds, is this a year where we 22 could actually use rainy day funds to keep this 23 department open, in order to give them time to be able 24 to get in the grant cycle? Which I thought was spot on. 25 I think that's probably where we're looking at with the 103 1 Veterans Services is to be able to draw down on our fund 2 reserve to fund them for the year, to give them time to 3 get in and start making their grant applications and get 4 in that grant cycle just like Crime Victims. But those 5 are my takeaways on veterans. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And the grants they're 7 applying for is from Texas Veterans Commission? Or is 8 that where we -- 9 JUDGE KELLY: I think that's what they were 10 talking about. 11 COMMISSIONER BELEW: And -- and Mike Cagle 12 has dealt with them a lot. He said that they're very 13 amenable to helping and there's a lot of money in that. 14 JUDGE KELLY: That's right. 15 COMMISSIONER BELEW: That was very 16 encouraging. 17 JUDGE KELLY: So this would be a stop gap. 18 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Well, you know, we 19 have a lot of good programs in Kerr County and many of 20 them are represented right here in this room right now. 21 Department heads and what have you. But this -- our VSO 22 is quickly becoming one of our flagship programs 23 recognized in the community. And I'm not for pouring 24 anymore money into it but we've got to keep it going. 25 Those girls have done an outstanding job. 104 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I -- I think 2 we're saying we're not -- we need to look at the total 3 picture for the budget rather than saying we're not 4 putting more money in it. You may decide you want to 5 put more money into -- 6 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Additional. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- that as opposed to 8 putting it someplace else. We haven't looked at the 9 other departments yet. 10 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I agree. 11 COMMISSIONER MOSER: So therefore -- 12 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Right. 13 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. I think it was a 14 good discussion. It was a non-decision thing. But it 15 was understanding the -- the value, the needs and that's 16 what the workshop was about. I thought it was a really, 17 really good workshop. Both of them were good workshops. 18 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Educational. 19 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, I'm a hundred 21 percent for -- for keeping them. But I don't want us to 22 mix apples and oranges in something that we're not 23 required by law to have -- 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Oh no. Absolutely. 25 COMMISSIONER BELEW: -- versus something 105 1 that we are. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: No, that's -- 3 COMMISSIONER BELEW: I want to make sure -- 4 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- let's start with -- 5 let's start with what's mandatory, okay, and then you go 6 from there. 7 COMMISSIONER LETZ: But I think that what's 8 required is -- becomes very gray. There's a black part, 9 there's a white part, and then there's a huge gray area. 10 Animal control comes into the gray. Library comes into 11 the gray. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Youth Event Center comes into 13 the gray. 14 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Youth Event Center comes 15 into the gray. 16 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Right. Yeah. 17 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Paved Road and every 18 county road is in the gray. I mean, there's a lot of 19 things we have to do. Fire and EMS is in that gray 20 area. I mean, when it comes to public safety but, you 21 know, how far do we go. You know. So there's a -- a 22 big part of our budget is in the gray. We have to fund 23 all these offices, but do we have to fund them at the 24 level we fund them? 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 106 1 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Well, how do you put 2 roads and bridges in that category? 3 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Because you don't have 4 to have all paved roads. 5 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We're one of the only 6 counties in the state. 7 COMMISSIONER BELEW: We're talking about 8 paved versus gravel; Not maintaining. 9 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Yeah. But, you know -- 10 but we're one of the only -- I mean our roads are -- 11 I'll put our roads up to any County in the state. And 12 we have funded that department that way. So, you know, 13 I think you have to be very careful of what's required. 14 Because -- because I think we need to be diligent with 15 tax dollars. If there's a way to fund something like 16 that conservative through grants, I'm a hundred percent 17 for that. But you can't just look at it, well, that's 18 not required. There's a lot of things that we do that 19 aren't required. 20 COMMISSIONER BELEW: But the stuff that is 21 required has to come first is my -- my point. 22 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Right. But -- but I'm 23 just saying that's a gray area as to what has to come 24 first. It's not quite as -- 25 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I -- I think -- 107 1 COMMISSIONER LETZ: -- cut and dry. 2 COMMISSIONER MOSER: -- it can be black and 3 white. Some things are mandated like the Judge says, 4 period. They're cleared. Other things are not 5 mandated, but they're good to do. 6 COMMISSIONER BELEW: Right. 7 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Yeah. 8 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: You've got to do 9 what's right. 10 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Correct. 11 JUDGE KELLY: So the whole purpose of what I 12 proposed initially was to initiate and begin this 13 discussion and this debate publicly with the taxpayers 14 and -- and with all the County departments. Because 15 these are discussions that we have to have. 16 COMMISSIONER LETZ: And that's good. 17 COMMISSIONER BELEW: The way that it really 18 turns out is that having a VSO is an investment because 19 here's an example. There was one veteran who was 20 getting $1,500 a month for -- I don't remember what it 21 was for. Disability or whatever. And -- and the office 22 across the hall was able to find out that he was 23 actually due $3,800. That money goes into our County. 24 So it really is an investment. And -- and the Judge 25 started off talking about this, that it's an investment 108 1 in the County we keep that office because that money 2 keeps coming in. One guy got back paid 60 grand. That 3 money goes in the bank here, it buys him a new truck, 4 whatever. So -- 5 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Well, I said at the 6 workshop and I'll say it again. When we set it up, the 7 VSO, is based on -- it appeared to be that if we created 8 that VSO, that the revenue -- additional revenues, based 9 on benefits that came into the County, would be offset, 10 offset the expenses of the VSO. So -- and the Judge 11 mentioned a hundred million dollars, yes. Five thousand 12 people, if they had $20,000.00 a year, that's a hundred 13 million dollars comes in. We're trying to get -- trying 14 to be more specific, okay, on specifically what they're 15 function has been, and how much real money came in 16 because of their activities. Some of them the get -- 17 the VSO didn't get -- some of that money would still 18 come in. But there's been an increase because of it. 19 So trying to quantify it. 20 JUDGE KELLY: And the purpose of putting it 21 on the agenda today is for us not to drop the ball, have 22 the workshops and not do anything about it, but to keep 23 the dialogue going. Keep it at the forefront of our 24 minds as we begin the next round of workshops this 25 Wednesday. 109 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: And that will be a lot 2 of gray areas and we'll have a lot of discussion. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. That was just for 4 information purposes. 5 Let's move on to the Approval Agenda. 2.1 6 pay the bills. 7 MRS. SHELTON: All right. Good morning. 8 Invoices for today. Kerr County, $226.385.49. The 9 airport, $857.57. Adult Probation, $458.40. Juvenile 10 Probation, $29,036.14. The 216th DA Forfeiture, 11 $266.98. And the 198th DA Forfeiture, $245.87. 12 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Move that we pay the 13 bills as presented by the Auditor. 14 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 15 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 16 Commissioner Moser, seconded by Commissioner Harris, to 17 pay the bills as presented. Any discussion? Those in 18 favor raise your hand. Unanimous, five zero. 19 Budget Amendments. 20 MR. ROBLES: Just one today. We're 21 transferring from non-departmental to IT for COVID 22 related grant funding for purchase of laptops. 23 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: I move for approval. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Second. 25 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 110 1 Commissioner Harris, seconded by Commissioner Moser to 2 approve the budget amendments as presented. Any 3 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Four to 4 zero. Commissioner Letz temporarily stepped out of the 5 room. 6 Let's go to 2.2 -- oh no, 2.3 late bills. 7 MRS. SHELTON: There are not any. 8 JUDGE KELLY: 2.4 Auditor reports. 9 MRS. SHELTON: You'll see the graph in front 10 of you. The color coded sheet, where we're tracking as 11 of May 31st, we've collected 86 percent of our revenue. 12 A big part of that one has been kind of questionable 13 here lately has been sales taxes. 14 If you'll look on the next graph down, we 15 received $383,000 in the month of May. And the ones 16 that we were concerned about was June, because the -- 17 the sales taxes, they're two months behind. So this 18 represents April sales. And you'll see we collected 19 $388,709. So it was kind of shocking, but it is good. 20 And so based on that, for the rest of the 21 year if we collect I think it was $318,000 each month, 22 we will make our budget. So that's where we're at. 23 Those revenues. As far as we also looked at the fees of 24 office. And again, we've kind of peeked into the 25 future. As of May, we needed about $205,000 to make 111 1 that budget. But as of June, we had collected another 2 -- I think it was around $50,000.00 on that. So again, 3 the revenues are all moving up. We're collecting them. 4 On the out-of-county prisoners, there were questions 5 about that. 6 As of June, we had collected about $144,000 7 but as -- or as of May, but as of June that number has 8 gone up to we've collected $700,000 and our budget is at 9 800,000. We did discuss it with Sylvia Foraker, who's 10 the Jail Administrator, and she -- that's about 11 $20,000.00 a month for the rest of this month, which we 12 still have I'm going to say around 18 out-of-county 13 prisoners right now. 14 For our expenditures, again, we're -- we're 15 lower than budget there. We should be about 66 percent. 16 If everyone would spend their money, you know, at the 17 constant rate of even amount each month, we're at 57 18 percent has been expended in the general fund. And so, 19 that is -- should be about 67 percent at this time. Any 20 questions? 21 JUDGE KELLY: Better than expected. 22 MRS. SHELTON: Yes. 23 JUDGE KELLY: Good news. 24 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Good for Kerr County. 25 MRS. SHELTON: Yes. Very much. 112 1 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Fantastic. Good 2 report. 3 JUDGE KELLY: Thank you. 4 Monthly reports. 5 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Yes. For May 2020. 6 Fines, judgments, and jury fees collected for J.P. 2 7 J. R. Hoyne, J.P. 4 Bill Ragsdale, Environmental Health, 8 OSSF Department, Director Ashli Badders, and County 9 Treasurer monthly report, Tracy Soldan. 10 I move for approval. 11 COMMISSIONER LETZ: Second. 12 JUDGE KELLY: Motion's been made by 13 Commissioner Harris, seconded by Commissioner Letz to 14 approve the monthly reports as presented. Any 15 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, 16 five zero. 17 Court orders. 18 COMMISSIONER LETZ: We have the court orders 19 from our June 15th meeting, 38127 through 38135. And 20 I'll make a motion that we approve. 21 COMMISSIONER HARRIS: Second. 22 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Motion's been made by 23 Commissioner Letz, seconded by Commissioner Harris to 24 approve the court orders as presented. Is there any 25 discussion? Those in favor raise your hand. Unanimous, 113 1 five zero. 2 Information Agenda. 3.1 status reports from 3 Department Heads. 4 There being none, let's go to 3.2 status 5 reports from Elected Officials. 6 There being none, let's go to 3.3 status 7 reports from Liaison Commissioners. 8 COMMISSIONER MOSER: Executive Session. 9 JUDGE KELLY: Okay. Then that concludes the 10 open meeting part of this. We're going to go into 11 Executive Session. It is 11:18. And we're going into 12 Executive Session on Items 4.2(a). Consider, discuss 13 and take appropriate action regarding personnel matter; 14 and 4.3(a), Information regarding airport economic 15 development. And that is all pursuant to Texas 16 Government Code. 17 We'll be in recess for five minutes and come 18 back into session in executive. 19 (Recess.) 20 (Executive Session.) 21 JUDGE KELLY: Okay, it is 11:45, and we're 22 coming out of Executive Session. I don't believe we 23 have any action to take. So with that, Commissioners' 24 Court will be adjourned. 25 * * * * * * 114 1 STATE OF TEXAS * 2 COUNTY OF KERR * 3 I, DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD, Certified Shorthand 4 Reporter in and for the State of Texas, and Official 5 Court Reporter in and for Kerr County, do hereby certify 6 that the above and foregoing pages contain and comprise 7 a true and correct transcription of the proceedings had 8 in the above-entitled Regular Commissioners' Court. 9 Dated this the 31st day of June, A.D. 2020. 10 11 /s/DEBRA ELLEN GIFFORD Certified Shorthand Reporter 12 No. 953 Expiration Date 04/31/2021 13 * * * * * * 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25